WEBVTT - Back to School Again (Grease 2)

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to and that's what you were in this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Kevin, Hi Jenna. How's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>How's New York?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so jealous, so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I still can't believe I'm here.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing it your New York dreams in a theater

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<v Speaker 1>and doing a live musical. I had a dream last

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<v Speaker 1>night I was doing the same musical as you, but

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<v Speaker 1>not in the same musical as you. We were doing

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<v Speaker 1>it at the same time, but we were in different productions.

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<v Speaker 2>We were in different productions of Spelling Bee or was

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<v Speaker 2>it a different show?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's spelling be Wow. Really yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Who would you want to be in Spelling Being? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I had a dream last night. It was Marcy Park,

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously all it is like a big dream of

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<v Speaker 1>mine too.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see you do both, gunning for

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<v Speaker 2>you to do like a An Olive.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Olive. I mean, nobody can beat Celia Kanan Moodrew,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm very excited for your your guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Person, Jasmine is really damn good. Of course she is

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<v Speaker 2>in rehearsal today. Literally, I looked over here and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna cry looking at you, I know, because

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<v Speaker 2>she's so good. She's so good. Today. I came back

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<v Speaker 2>from lunch actually, and I was like, who is this

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<v Speaker 2>in the rehearsal room. Just Lin Manuel.

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<v Speaker 1>Hanging out? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, he's working on something in the same rehearsal Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in the next room.

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<v Speaker 1>And so wait, that's so exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we like he just popped in and someone was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to come be a guest speller.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you who don't know, so, Spelling Beat

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<v Speaker 2>is a musical comedy that's an actual spelling beat of

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<v Speaker 2>middle schoolers. And every single show there are four audience volunteers,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we have audience members come and spell and

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<v Speaker 2>join the Spelling Beat. So, you know, we're always trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get people to come up and be speller. So

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<v Speaker 2>we asked Lin Manuel.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that would be so epic, and he said.

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<v Speaker 2>He would do it. You knew who came in last

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<v Speaker 2>week was Robbie Malick? What And he said he'd be

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<v Speaker 2>a guest.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Kevin, this is going to be so exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, rehearsing in the same studio. Oh Tom Hanks for

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<v Speaker 2>a play. I didn't see him, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, everybody's thinking it to the theater, isn't it crazy?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh cool? Oh my gosh, that's the fun. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Lily Cooper, who is also in your production, who was

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<v Speaker 1>Spring Awakening with both Lee and Groff and Skyler. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the original Marches. She's who I replaced when I

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<v Speaker 1>came to Broadway, and she's doing it with you now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I literally she sent me a photo on Friday

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<v Speaker 1>of the two of you, and I gasped. And the

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<v Speaker 1>jealousy and envy that you guys get to hang out

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<v Speaker 1>together and do a show together is beyond. Lily was

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<v Speaker 1>my girl in Spring Wakening. At least don't order Sushie

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<v Speaker 1>before the show. Oh we just we vibe. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know you.

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<v Speaker 2>Should be jealous of She's so good at this.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, why wouldn't she be. She is a Tony

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<v Speaker 1>word nominee.

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<v Speaker 2>She's such a good rona. Of course, it's weird for

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<v Speaker 2>me because she's like, you know, I'm playing a child,

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<v Speaker 2>she's playing an adult.

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<v Speaker 1>She's actually younger than me in real life. Yes, well

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<v Speaker 1>of course, yes, yeah, but she must have. She just

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<v Speaker 1>is so graceful with like her mood, like how she

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<v Speaker 1>moves and how she sings.

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<v Speaker 2>She's also so funny. Oh she sounds, she has. Her

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<v Speaker 2>songs are obviously insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they're crazy, right, they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy, and she's finding all this comedy and smart. I

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<v Speaker 2>have really enjoyed about the theater is in the rehearsal process,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you get to watch everybody's process and everybody's just

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<v Speaker 2>a little different, and like watching her and like the

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<v Speaker 2>question she comes up with to ask, like she's just

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<v Speaker 2>so smart.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so smart A veteran. Yeah, Wow, are you enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>the rehearsal process?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like you'd like the parsal process a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm really enjoying it because when we did it

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<v Speaker 2>last year, I mean it's it's a different production. There's

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<v Speaker 2>only three of us that are the same, right, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>same director. Yeah, yeah, so we have we've had time

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<v Speaker 2>to think about it for the past year.

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<v Speaker 1>Is your version going to be different this time around

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<v Speaker 1>because of everybody else, like the like the chemistry you're

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<v Speaker 1>in or is it similar?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little different, very exciting, There's there's there's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a few differences, but yeah, you know, it's like you

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<v Speaker 2>get to find and be more nuanced and like your

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of these characters when you have.

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<v Speaker 1>More time, and then in the performance it'll be the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. It'll evolve because you're in for a longer

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's just been really nice to like hang

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<v Speaker 2>out with this group. Everybody's so talented, like so stupidly talented.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is really what a what a cast I am?

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<v Speaker 1>I am green with envy.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's nice to be able to like last thing

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say about it, and I'll probably say this a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of more times on here, but it's nice to honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very similar to Glee. It's nice to not be

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<v Speaker 2>doing like a really serious there's obviously like serious themes

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<v Speaker 2>that come up in the show, but it is like

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<v Speaker 2>comedy comedy, comedy, and it's so well written. It's so funny,

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<v Speaker 2>feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>People are feeling good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's it's so smart and like it's so tight,

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of bulletproof, like we just have to work

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<v Speaker 2>to not mess it up.

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<v Speaker 1>But jealous and.

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<v Speaker 2>We have like yeah, Rachel, like the real writer is there.

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<v Speaker 1>She's with this school.

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<v Speaker 2>The original Have I told you any of this? The

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<v Speaker 2>original vocal arranger is in the room with us every day.

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<v Speaker 2>That's special rearranging some of the harmonies because she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh she was twenty four when she did it, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was like yeah, you know, she's not often you

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<v Speaker 2>get to go back and be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like wow, like she can change yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a director in a film we done.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing that with like the o G people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is very exciting. I can't wait to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the journey. More of the journey. But I am just

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<v Speaker 1>here for it, and I am You're doing one of

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<v Speaker 1>my dream shows, and so I am just so.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I got to come home and watch Greece Too.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Kevin, here we are. This is Greece too.

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<v Speaker 2>It sure is so Greece too. No premiered.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. That's the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Greece two came out June eleventh, nineteen eighty two, four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Later to the Day of Greek Almost did the Day

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<v Speaker 1>of Greece for me? Yes, So in the news, the

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<v Speaker 1>number one song was Ebony and Ivory by Paul McCartney

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<v Speaker 1>and ste You Wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>The number one movie was et can you imagine being

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<v Speaker 2>the movie that opened against et and wasn't it four

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<v Speaker 2>years earlier when STEVENS. Pielberg did Jaws. It came out

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<v Speaker 2>the same summer as Grease. I mean, it went on

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<v Speaker 2>to become the highest grossing film of the entire decade,

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<v Speaker 2>and fun fact, it actually held the all time box

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<v Speaker 2>office record until Jurassic Park, which is also you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Steven Spielberg, he dethroned himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He's nice to want to himself unbelievable. Obviously, this was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty ly, but there was some fun pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing I love. Honestly, some of my favorite parts of

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<v Speaker 2>the show of doing this podcast is like the pop

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<v Speaker 2>culture moments.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like the vh one, like in the

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes kind of bubble things. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>the I had that video sture thing, yes, pap up

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<v Speaker 1>video Okay in nineteen eighty two. That was peak early eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>So lots of synth, lots of pop and obviously MTV,

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<v Speaker 1>which sadly just just closed its doors for after so

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<v Speaker 1>many years. It is done. Goodbye.

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<v Speaker 2>MTV's done.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm, MTV is goodbye.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so, which is why the VMA's were like on

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<v Speaker 2>paramount plus or CBS or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how weird.

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<v Speaker 2>The magic of being able to like come home after

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<v Speaker 2>school and go watch your favorite music videos.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really special. What a gift that these kids

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<v Speaker 1>will never understand coming home and watching TRL.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I wish, and those of you listening

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<v Speaker 2>you can let us know your thoughts on this, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I wish we could create another type of like music show.

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<v Speaker 3>That would do similar TRL, but like talking music, talking

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<v Speaker 3>talk talk videos, talking artists.

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<v Speaker 2>And also like music discovery because I feel like TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's such like a big part of TikTok,

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<v Speaker 2>like making it current. So I feel like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>current version because you can't try to make tierre al

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<v Speaker 2>Tierra was for.

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<v Speaker 1>That time, right, but we are to do it for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a public We don't want the same things,

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<v Speaker 2>so we just that's right. But what we do want

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<v Speaker 2>is to have a connection with artists that is the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, definitely community. Uh MGB had just launched less than

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<v Speaker 1>a year earlier, and music videos were obviously in the

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<v Speaker 1>new frontier as we had said, So we are at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of music videos, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Other box office hits that Summer, Rocky three, Star Trek two,

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<v Speaker 2>The Wrath of Khan, Annie, Oh my God, and Poltergeist.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well we have to talk about Annie for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we have to do that movie. Yeah, would

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<v Speaker 1>you guys want us to do Annie? Let us know,

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<v Speaker 1>no changes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care if they want us to do any

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<v Speaker 2>We have to do Annie.

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<v Speaker 1>Change my life. Okay. On TV, we were tuning into

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Dynasty, Cheers and mash and.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we were we were too young.

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<v Speaker 1>We were born other people were. I wasn't born yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>The first CD player was introduced in Japan that year,

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<v Speaker 2>changing how people listen to.

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<v Speaker 1>Music, and Time magazine's Man of the Year that year

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<v Speaker 1>was the computer. Can you believe that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Sony Walkman's were everywhere. That must have

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<v Speaker 2>accessory little cassettes on your belt.

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<v Speaker 1>We also had early video games like pac Man, Donkey Kong,

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<v Speaker 1>and Froger were Arcade Sensation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy how quickly all of this has progressed. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just saying the Equal Rights Amendment movement was

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<v Speaker 2>in full swing of the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this one's going to make you all feel old.

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<v Speaker 1>Prince William was porn on June twenty first, nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 1>just days after Greece two premiered.

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<v Speaker 2>And pop culture was shifting from Go to a new waves,

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<v Speaker 2>setting the tone for the rest of the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is Greace too. Now let me just preface

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<v Speaker 1>this with my memory of this movie. I had beloved

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<v Speaker 1>memories of this movie growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not alone in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Pfeiffer was so cool. I mean, that does unchanged

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<v Speaker 1>right my opinion there, but cool writer was like iconic

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<v Speaker 1>in my eyes. These songs We're going to score tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>like all of these things were so The four season

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<v Speaker 1>song like We're so Vivid in my memory is great

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<v Speaker 1>memories And that's just what they were, memories. Because I

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<v Speaker 1>started watching this yesterday, I texted you, which I normally

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<v Speaker 1>text you, and said, I cannot get through this. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to scrub through this whole movie. I watched it,

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<v Speaker 1>you better believe it. I watched it, but I scrubbed

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<v Speaker 1>some of this. I got the gist of some of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie to you people, and I watched

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<v Speaker 1>all the musical numbers. I remember a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very vivid. I've definitely seen this movie more than once.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. I know that, Like I don't remember it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know because it was all very vivid in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. But what was I thinking this was the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of shots that they had of the entire cast

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<v Speaker 1>just standing in a doorway or standing watching something was astounding.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very grass it was lacking. The songs were

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<v Speaker 1>god awful. And I did not like this film.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think you're alone. And people's memory of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Georgie who's a friend of mine and an incredible she

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<v Speaker 2>directed The Frogs. She's a great director. She's staying with

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<v Speaker 2>me right now. She came in while I was watching.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh my god, I love this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl.

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<v Speaker 2>And then was sitting there watching and she's like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I guess I don't remember. And Sam, our producer,

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<v Speaker 2>had the exact same thing. Because here, the weird thing

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<v Speaker 2>about this movie is that it feels younger and more

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<v Speaker 2>hyper sexualized at the same time than.

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<v Speaker 1>Greece, like corny and campy and not as good and

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<v Speaker 1>yet much crosser and dirtier and more mature.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and maybe this is just hindsight. When you

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<v Speaker 2>have like the amount of stars that were in Greece,

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<v Speaker 2>like John Travolta obviously is still successful today Luneton. John

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<v Speaker 2>had an incredible career, and that those are only two

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<v Speaker 2>of the people in it, right. Yeah, where Greece too,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Michelle Pfeiffer is a star and did what

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<v Speaker 2>she could with what she had.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot of differences, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest difference is is that Greece was based off of

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<v Speaker 2>an already proven musical stage show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the problem with sequels, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like the sequels always fall in regardless if

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<v Speaker 2>it's a musical or not. It's like, how much of

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<v Speaker 2>like referencing or doing again in a slightly different way

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<v Speaker 2>do you want from the first one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of like the the best time I

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<v Speaker 1>know how to explain is like in our day and

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<v Speaker 1>age of like watching a really good TV show based

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<v Speaker 1>on a really beloved book and they do one season

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<v Speaker 1>and it's short because it's a streamer, and you do

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<v Speaker 1>twelve episodes. Then it's excellent, right, it's so good, it's

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<v Speaker 1>what you would hope for. And then they decide, oh, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it's doing really well, well we have to do right

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<v Speaker 1>the second season then and it's like a full departure

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<v Speaker 1>from the book, and it's a full departure from season one,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, what are we going to do? And

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<v Speaker 1>it like loses the plot a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so much of the magic of Grease was

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<v Speaker 2>obviously their chemistry, but I also think they had the chemistry.

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<v Speaker 2>You were able to see the chemistry because of how

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<v Speaker 2>it was written, the dynamic shooting, the characters are just

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<v Speaker 2>not the same. And the second one, right, you also

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<v Speaker 2>have like your two leads no offense to Michelle Fifer

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<v Speaker 2>and and it's like a brand new Max well Callfield.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were the weakest singers in the entire thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have them like leading it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like we had some recurring players, but most of

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<v Speaker 1>the cast was brand new. It's like bringing in a

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<v Speaker 1>new class like on Glee, like but like and expecting

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<v Speaker 1>people to like yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And like this is why reboots often do not work,

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<v Speaker 2>or like spinoffs, because like, yeah, you have some of

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<v Speaker 2>your anchor characters, but like those aren't Frenchy, yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>like yes, and as good as all the people who

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<v Speaker 2>are in the in Greece one are and are in

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<v Speaker 2>Greece too, Like we're not coming back necessarily for them,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I know, and none of them, not a single song,

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<v Speaker 2>not a single song is as good as the worst

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<v Speaker 2>song in Grease one, even your beloved cool writer that everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>even Georgie. Georgie was like, oh cool writer was a Jams.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, go back and listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's there's like an almost sexual assault and

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<v Speaker 2>a bunker and he has a gun, he lives, he

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<v Speaker 2>lost her, and a bunker and then it's seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>her with a gun trying to get her to sleep

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<v Speaker 2>with him. I was like, I know it was a

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<v Speaker 2>different time, but damn, damn. Yeah, Like it's not cute

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<v Speaker 2>seeing funny when you're like locked to this girl and

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<v Speaker 2>this bunker and you have a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just none of the charm.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think they were really going for like getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to like the grit of the original and like

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<v Speaker 1>yelling grittier, but it just didn't didn't quite. The mixture

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't right like the you know, it was like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a banking experiment, just like the ingredients were not,

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<v Speaker 1>the measurements were off.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and it's like you know, you started off with

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<v Speaker 2>having I mean Maxwell Cawfield beautiful, Oh my gosh, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>great actor. Yeah, but like oh Cousins, oh God, like

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<v Speaker 2>Cousins of the Living and job, but he's British and

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<v Speaker 2>not Australian, and like you're literally doing the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a guy with blonde hair instead of a

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<v Speaker 2>girl with blonde hair and not from America.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many issues. And you mentioned it about like

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<v Speaker 2>some of the directing and look, I think Patricia Birch

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<v Speaker 2>in Greece one who who choreographed it, and she choreographed

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<v Speaker 2>the original stage production. Incredible job. Yeah, yeah, this was

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<v Speaker 2>her directorial debut. From the outset, this movie is over choreographed. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's deeply like every number is a huge production number.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how many numbers in that in Greece were

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<v Speaker 2>just one person just sort of standing there and it

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<v Speaker 2>was great and you got to you got to be

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<v Speaker 2>with the character a little bit. That doesn't happen in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Like even the opening number as they like go into

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<v Speaker 1>the classrooms and all everybody's filing in the song kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like tapers, and it's like everybody's still just dancing

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<v Speaker 1>versus like people in their own world living this like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, elevated imaginary world thing through song, but everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and it's like, oh, it takes you so

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<v Speaker 1>deeply out of it where people are like rocking and

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<v Speaker 1>a roll on the on the flagpole.

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<v Speaker 2>It made me, It made me realize, you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>hard it is to do like a really great musical,

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<v Speaker 2>And it made me realize how Greece won was able

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<v Speaker 2>to do those things where yes, like you're breaking into

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<v Speaker 2>song and how do you make it feel natural? Or

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a dream sequence, how do you make that

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<v Speaker 2>feel natural that we like we're buying into that. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was like the opening of the of Greece too,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a phantom singer. You don't know who's singing

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<v Speaker 2>the lead vocals of this. He is not, actually he's

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<v Speaker 2>not in this. Then Maxwell Coffield does this song later on, Yes, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>like who's singing? And then it okay in any thing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And like those things just do not work, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>know in this at least, like I think there's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a world in which those things could work, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know it, so it would almost be better if they

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<v Speaker 2>tried to make it if it was like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more different, because it looked like they were. It looked

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<v Speaker 2>like these were all like reject songs from the original,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, oh, let's just throw more on it. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>add eighty more dancers and do a bigger shot.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Here's here's the thing. So this is how

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<v Speaker 1>the sequel actually happened. So Grease became a global hit

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy eight, and Alan Carr struck a deal

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<v Speaker 1>with Paramount to make a sequel with a five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar production fee and a total budget of eleven Now

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<v Speaker 1>that's double the first film. Ironically, Car tapped Patricia Birch

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<v Speaker 1>we would choreographed both the stage and film versions of Greased,

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<v Speaker 1>to direct, and Birch was hesitant at first since Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Jacobs and Warren Casey, who wrote the original stage show,

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<v Speaker 1>and John jabaldin oliving Newton John were not returning. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was definitely hesitancy there, which makes sense. And I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it was almost like overcompensating for it, Like

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<v Speaker 1>we were overcompensating for the fact that like this was

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<v Speaker 1>in Greece, right, So, and then also we had Bronte

0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 1>wood Woodard, who adapted the first film, had also sadly

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>passed away, so Paramount hired a Canadian writer, Ken Finkleman,

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 1>who was also writing another film, Airplane Too, to write

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<v Speaker 1>a new script, almost from scratch. So like there were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things like working against them. It sounds like,

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<v Speaker 1>and then this, like what I had mentioned, Burch's goal

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<v Speaker 1>was to bring the story back to gritty or more

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:57.879
<v Speaker 1>rebellious tone, to the original Chicago stage musical something she

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<v Speaker 1>had built and stopping in the glossy California set grease.

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<v Speaker 1>But like we already said that, so like let's not

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<v Speaker 1>go back on that tone, Like let's just let's lean

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<v Speaker 1>back into the tone that worked, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was just some of like how the sequel,

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<v Speaker 1>the history behind how the sequel came to be, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And like Birch had ideas, like for she was hoping

0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.239
<v Speaker 2>she would get cameos from Travolta and Olivan John and

0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Conaway and Soccer Channing, and I think like even

0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.680
<v Speaker 2>she had ideas like Danny and Sandy were a married

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.840
<v Speaker 2>couple running a gas station with Travolta singing a new

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:37.200
<v Speaker 2>song called gas Pump Jockey. Like I just think these

0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:42.399
<v Speaker 2>ideas were just not not right. In the early script,

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 2>titled Summer School, would have centered around Kaniki and Rizzo

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<v Speaker 2>getting married, but once that fell through, Birch rebuilt the

0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.639
<v Speaker 2>story around the new Pink Ladies and Tea Birds. And

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.199
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing, It's like the t birds and what

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<v Speaker 2>world were the tea Birds auditioned willingly and wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be in like a any sort of stage production of

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<v Speaker 2>it for the high School. It's like none of it felt.

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<v Speaker 1>Or organic to like the original story, and you.

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Did already set the thing and had a really successful movie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so much so that like this was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>part of like a bigger Grease like universe. They were

0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna have spin offs and TV shows and then this

0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.959
<v Speaker 2>movie like didn't do well, so then they scrapped all

0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:28.480
<v Speaker 2>of it. But it sounds like like they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>like the I mean, it is easy to say for us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with how many years hindsight, where it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the magic of this movie wasn't the things that they

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<v Speaker 2>think it was. Producer Alan Carr and Birch tested Andy

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Gibb and Timothy Hutton for the lead before casting Maxwell Cawfield.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Yeah, I liked Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, Birch, I guess Burch said at some

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 2>point like they were all in love with maxwelltick.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, yeah, obviously beautiful. Wait, this is funny. So

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 1>like on set there was some notes in like the

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 1>movie opens with the big back to School number, and

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the cast recalled the choreography as grueling but joyous for

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 1>the week of rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. The bowling alley scene for Score Tonight was

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.639
<v Speaker 2>a highlight, but also a hazard. The sub three floors

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 2>caused several injuries, and Fifer had to hide a black

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.679
<v Speaker 2>eye behind sunglasses were falling off a dock between shoot days.

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Well and then also Fifer's ladder climbing

0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 1>became obviously iconic. It's like the thing we all talk about, right,

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>but she later admitted she was mortified at first. I thought, really,

0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>you want me to get up on a gyrate on

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>a ladder? But I trusted Pat and honestly best part

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 1>of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, cool rider. I thought Homeboy died. George and

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I were like, wait, did he die? I'm like, there's

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 2>still twenty five minutes after this movie. Did he just die? Like,

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.680
<v Speaker 2>no explanation. They didn't even show the cliff how it

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 2>was shot, like you couldn't even sty like, oh, it's

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 2>it's really far down there, Like what are you looking at?

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Because we're not we're not getting a view of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The Rock of.

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<v Speaker 1>Hula No no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong, for so many reasons, was filmed. It was freezing

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 2>out and the cast shivered through tropical costumes and joked

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 2>that their smiles froze midtake. Yea believing Newton John came

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and visited set during that.

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's cute. Yeah, okay, So the critics weren't kind

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Yeah. New York Times called it dizzy and slight.

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Variety praised the inventive choreography but said it lacked the

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 1>magic of the first Yes, that's correct, and Ebert said

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 1>it recycled Grease without the stars, without the energy, without

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the freshness.

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Even co creator Jim Jacobs called it awful. The pits,

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>but Fifer earned ray reviews and Fifer was great.

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's taking away. Yeah, I don't think there was

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:21.959
<v Speaker 2>any problem with anybody's performance, Like, I think everyone was great.

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>No, no, for sure, everybody was really great.

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's I think it was just sort of like

0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the behind the scenes, yeah, whether Yeah, like everyone showed

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 2>up and was doing it and doing a great job.

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 1>No, for sure, and also like it obviously didn't it

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't well received, but midnight screenings being popping up, so

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing that rocky horror vibe of like the cults

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:51.959
<v Speaker 1>picking it up, the groups kind of appreciating it in

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>the way that they did, and obviously new generations kept

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>discovering it through VHS and cable and shioming like us,

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's a cold classic to this day.

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's one of those things where cold

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 2>classic a lot of time means not good, flop flop. Yeah.

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I had never seen this before. Oh wow, I thought

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I had. I was like, surely I've seen.

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>This, okay, And what was your feeling going into it

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>versus when you started watching it?

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think most of my life I had heard

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.360
<v Speaker 2>that it was really bad and like, you know, there's

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 2>always jokes about it. Yeah, and then someone told me

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>recently they're like they're like, we talked about Greece too,

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember before we started doing this version of

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>the podcast. Yeah, and they told me, like, you know what,

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>it's really actually good, Like I think it's just as good,

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 2>in some parts better than the original stop. And I'm

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 2>thinking now, either one that person is insane or two

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 2>they haven't seen it since they were a kid, because

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 2>they probably thought it was great.

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>As a kid. Fair Enough, it's hard.

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I think I understand. You know that because of the

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 2>success of the first one, you get a big check

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>to make another one, and you want to do it,

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and you want it to be bigger and better, and

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.679
<v Speaker 2>sometimes or a lot of times, less is more. The

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>first one was really simple and just had incredible music.

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't like I don't like poo pooing on

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 1>art like people are gonna love it and whatever. It

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't for me, Like I my memory should have

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>stayed in my memory the way it stayed, because now

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm sad that it's not what I remembered of Greece too.

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Look, if you love this movie and have a great

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>time watching it, that is great. But I think watching

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>this back to back, as we've done with Greece and

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 2>the rest, I think they're just not of the same universe.

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 2>This feels like a TV movie, and Greece feels like

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>it is. Had been the biggest grossing musical movie until

0:28:58.920 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>a year ago.

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>It's it's also I think, in my opinion, way too long.

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was like some of those shots at the end,

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you could snipping away at this cut cut cut.

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it moved slow. I think that was also.

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just long, it moved like the pace was wrong.

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>We talked about with Grease one, there's so much happens

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 2>in it, but every single scene there was like rising tension,

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 2>there were stakes in every single scene.

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>With this, it was like a lot of just chilling.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I feel it got out.

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's draw it out.

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 2>It's so strange.

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I know. It's also when your lead character is written

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>or maybe interpreted the way that Maxwell did it like

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>very calm, like when your lead is Tribalta and you

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>got that energy driving it, whereas you have this like

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 1>very timid guy kind of like whispering.

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, it was like it was like gender reversal of

0:29:59.240 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the first.

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Movie, right of course, which I don't mind him trying

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>to having to change himself for her, but like I

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>don't think it worked, and it just it feel like

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>a totally different movie to me, Like it wasn't great.

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 2>The reason also, like we got with the with the

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 2>first one Eliving Newton John was with the Pink Ladies

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 2>for almost all of that movie. Either she's being made

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.400
<v Speaker 2>fun of or she's hanging out with she's around the

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>girls that she eventually sort of becomes He's never He

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>just all of a sudden becomes like a biker guy,

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and we don't have like if he was integrated into

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 2>the Tea Birds, that would be something I know that

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 2>would be more similar, but like that never happened. So

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>he's like sort of on his own island the entire movie.

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>And then it's like, Okay, he comes back and there's

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>two biker gangs and then there's him as a third

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 2>thing that nobody.

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>And the additional biker ganging like enemy like outside of

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the groups versus like the rivalry withinside the groups. Like

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>also just kind of like took me out of it.

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>It didn't remind me of stand Loot a little bit.

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Stand Lot is a perfect movie.

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't touch it. Perfect.

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Also, if you're going to bring back Frenchie, you have

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>d D. Khan are more. Yeah, make her the stars movie.

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>She would have been. She was the star of Last One, Yes,

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 1>she was.

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 2>She is so good. Don't just Yeah, that's what worries

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 2>me about. Honestly, it worries me about like a Glee reyboot.

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh. It worries me every.

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Day because I think it could fall easily into the

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 2>trap of.

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Grease too, Oh, don't say that, or you don't

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 3>have the magic because you think you need to either

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 3>bring in some of these old stars as opposed to

0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 3>just creating a really good story of new people.

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I will say if there was a Grease

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Too in Glee, cool Writer definitely would have been a

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>number that like Santana and Rachel would have fought over

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and there would have been a sing off and that

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>would have been great. And then Girl for All Seasons

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 1>actually with some of the gals would have been really fun.

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I thought Girl for All Seasons was one of the best,

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the best moments of this movie. As horrible

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 2>like as reproduction is, I thought that was pretty funny

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and like, yeah, had some of the spirit that we

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 2>were looking for that we needed.

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I also think that Rocca Luau or whatever it

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>is and We'll Be Together, it was like, let's just

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>think of something to recreate exactly what we made in Greece,

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>wand and recreate it again, yeah, and not as good

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>but worse. Yeah, Like why are we trying to like

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>touch something that's so perfect and like recreate that and

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 1>versus creating something new. It was like just a carbon

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>copy but worse. I actually don't hate the song do

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it for our country. I hate the premise of it

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and the circumstances and how they did it, but the

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>actual song is like it is also very sticky for me,

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Like it's it, I remember it. I was singing it

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>this morning.

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that is one of the better songs.

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 2>But like, I haven't ever listened to these songs outside

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>of watching the movie last night, and that's my association

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 2>with it. So like I also think, look, to be fair,

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had the time with all of this like

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.959
<v Speaker 2>I did with Greece. I knew that music in and

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>out and I sent it back and I know that

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>movie so well.

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>So but I will say, Kevin, here's my devil's advocate.

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Generally speaking, in this podcast, what happens is usually we

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>start and we don't wear iffy about it and we

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>don't really like it, and then we turn into like, oh,

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess it wasn't that bad. I don't hate that much.

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>This is not happening. No, there's no turn of events here.

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 2>No, it's just not so it's not. I get it

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 2>as a cult classic. I get it as like screenings.

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>I get it like I.

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Don't have time for that though.

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not someone who likes bad that.

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sorry.

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 2>It's not like our friend Kelly probably loves this.

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Ah, delly, Yes, I think I feel like I watched

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>this with Kelly at.

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Well likes he can really just appreciate it for what

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>it is.

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we love that.

0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad that it exists for people.

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I wish I had that skill me too.

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I certainly did that trait. Do you think people thought

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 2>this movie was because of the gender reversal, like this

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be like a feminist tale. Oh, because

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 2>it certainly feels the opposite to me, because like she

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even know who's under the helmet, and she's just.

0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, I don't. I don't even think it got

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that deep. Like I don't even think we got there.

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, Yeah, I just I'm just

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>thinking about it, like it borders more on like some

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 2>of these numbers, like oh, this is a bit more

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Rocky Horror, but Rocky Horror was like properly camp and

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 2>like Rocky Horror.

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, was true to who it was, and it was

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.439
<v Speaker 1>you knew exactly what it was.

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Like, Greece doesn't feel that if it was trying to

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 2>be camp, I don't think it accomplished it.

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.439
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't. I actually don't think it was trying

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>to be.

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 2>And also like something about Greece ion. I was having

0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 2>a discussion last night with Austin and Georgie about this

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 2>because we're like, like grease won are they in on it?

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>But I don't even think so. I don't think there's

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 2>anything to be in on. I think they're just like,

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 2>it's deadly serious.

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>It is, but it happens to be funny, and this

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>is like just not funny.

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this feels like they're self aware. Yeah, in a

0:35:58.440 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 2>way that is not.

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Its failed. It failed. Yeah, Okay, well I think that's enough.

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Let's create some performances. Let's just do some of the

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>ones we like, Let's do highlights, let's do let's leave

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>on a positive note. So cool writer. I'm going to

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 1>give it a B plus because in my memory it

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 1>was an A and it was a C. So I'm

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 1>giving in an.

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Average I'm going to need to be minus.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, reproduction was an f I'm giving reproduction a b okay,

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>do it for our country and that all the circumstances

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>aside the song itself.

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>But this is creating the performance.

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, what about the Sorry Girl for All Seasons

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>and b okay, that's it.

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>We'll be together. Also was so crazy, I really will

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>be together. We go together, and we're gonna do it

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>slower a.

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 1>Carbon copy, just like Okay, TARTI takes au cheese. I mean,

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:12.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they were so really creepy. And also, wait,

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>miss Mason, can we talk about how inappropriate that was?

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:19.760
<v Speaker 2>What was happening with Miss Mason?

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I was also like such a one dimensional character.

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know, I don't know Johnny

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and just like all the girls and like it just

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>was like it's just like a.

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Cesspool of I thought the first one had some moments.

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>The first one is completely fine compared to this.

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah, Best song Girl for All Seasons? Yeah,

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I think so, Best Stand Smooth. I mean, look, the

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>choreography in this movie is amazing. There's just like too

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 1>much of it. Yeah, it's also just not trot well,

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>and so it's just a lot of things like don't

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<v Speaker 1>lend itself to the choreogra.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, I guess maybe back to school again. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I did think and girl for all seasons. There was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the seasons the girls were like really one

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<v Speaker 2>point and one of them you can tell us like training.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yes, yeah, some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Prop.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this counts, but shout out to

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 2>that little tire track on that little hump that it

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 2>is supposed to make us all believe that he either

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<v Speaker 2>died or went across this great divide that we've.

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Never seen and he landed. If the Russians can put

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 1>him in in space, just imagine our young American minds

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 1>can do it right out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did enjoy that. I did really like Paulette. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I like you a lot. She was original, Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought she was a standout character and I liked her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing at the end, she's I may not be the

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<v Speaker 2>classiest chick in the school, but I'm the best you're

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<v Speaker 2>ever going to get, So take it. Believe it like

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<v Speaker 2>she I really liked her. And that's the thing with

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<v Speaker 2>the first one, all all the characters were like super

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 2>strong characters. They know exactly who they are. Yeah, even

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<v Speaker 2>like French, who's trying to figure it out, she's telling

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<v Speaker 2>you who she is, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we don't. We don't really know or care

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<v Speaker 1>about any of these No, they just feel like again

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<v Speaker 1>like trying.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like everyone just did of her a check.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it happens, It happens. Listen, I'm not too good

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<v Speaker 1>for a check. Yeah, performance MVP Michelle Fire for of

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>course she's just like I mean, I thought.

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Michelle Fifer, Maxwell call Field and Adrian Zamed were.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, yeah, okay, that's the thing.

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 2>I thought everyone was.

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<v Speaker 1>Were great yeah, or like everybody did great with what

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<v Speaker 1>they had, right, we understand that. Yes, Okay, well that's that.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you guys don't hate us too much for

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<v Speaker 1>going through that.

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<v Speaker 2>But but you know how much we love Greece.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:07.399
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the other thing too, is like being

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 2>protective over like the legacy of Greece, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what you come back with. Yeah, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>not going a bit yeah yea, yeah, Okay, So we

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<v Speaker 2>found on TikTok Jenna Samantha three three three there's a

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<v Speaker 2>trend going on right now with Bees in the Trap

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and the song that's going on, yes, and it is

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.840
<v Speaker 2>these two people won dresses, shoes, her with a crazy

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<v Speaker 2>wig and so Sylvester Sylvester is doing the Nicki Minaj part,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just think it really fits, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>Glee reference. It's a mashup. I think it's something we

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<v Speaker 2>would have done.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a total bob. I'm into it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think Susilvester doing the Nicki Minaj part makes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of sense. And like it's Halloween, so like

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<v Speaker 2>get in your best Glee costumes and do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I remember Naya showed me this Nicki Minaj song

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 2>on set of Glee had just come out, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna like this and.

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Bees into Trap that was already that was already out

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.280
<v Speaker 1>when Glee was still That's crazy to me, it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like it was much more recent.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, let me double check, unless I'm like conflating memories.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, yeah, wow, wow, yeah, I remember she Okay,

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I remember she told me about it. She's like, I

0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 2>heard this song, that's what it was. We were in

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Long Beach and she goes. We were in the hair

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 2>making sure I heard the song You're gonna love it,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, it's like Nicki Minaja saying like bees

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<v Speaker 2>into trap. We didn't know what she meant by it.

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 2>And then I was driving on like Laurel Canon I

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<v Speaker 2>remember for some reason, like it was like one of

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 2>s and it came yeah, and it came on and

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:06.839
<v Speaker 2>I called her. I was like, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is it, this is it. If you have

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<v Speaker 1>any Eagle Lye costumes, please send them our way. We'd

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>love to see them. And Kevin, we have an assignment

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:17.399
<v Speaker 1>for everybody for next week.

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Our assignment for next week is rent.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, what will I do? I'm so excited

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and also nervous because Red is such a staple in

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>my mind on the stage production and the film wasn't

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>what I remember it to be. So we'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>see come back and check it out. And thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out with.

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<v Speaker 2>Us, and that's what you really miss Thanks for listening

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