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Speaker 3: President Trump's staying in Washington this weekend after scrapping a
Speaker 3: trip to Bedminster, New Jersey. According to The New York Times,
Speaker 3: he has been reviewing military options for potentially resuming the
Speaker 3: bombing campaign against Iran.
Speaker 2: That's right, but according to the Qataris, the President also
Speaker 2: just had a phone call with the Amir of that
Speaker 2: nation where they discuss de escalation of tensions in the region,
Speaker 2: as well as Maritimes safety in the Strait of Hormuz.
Speaker 2: Back with us, as Bloomberg's White House correspondent Kate Sullivan. Kate,
Speaker 2: as we're hearing all these Gulf allies and some European
Speaker 2: allies as well are trying to dissuade Trump from restarting
Speaker 2: this conflict. When it comes to who's talking to him
Speaker 2: in the White House and who's helping him make these decisions,
Speaker 2: He's down one key player, and that's d and I.
Speaker 2: Telsei Gabbard, who resigned yesterday setting health concerns with her husband,
Speaker 2: talked to us a little bit about her role and
Speaker 2: then just the national security apparatus around the president and
Speaker 2: who was advising him as he goes into all these
Speaker 2: foreign policy issues.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. So it was surprising news yesterday. Tulsi
Speaker 5: Gabbard said that she had presented her letter of resignation
Speaker 5: to the president that her husband is battling cancer and
Speaker 5: she wanted to be by his side. I will say
Speaker 5: that Gabbard has been a really interesting figure in the administration,
Speaker 5: is particularly amid the war. She's been very vocal about
Speaker 5: her anti interventionist stance. She's been you know, when she
Speaker 5: was on the campaign trail with Trump, he was talking
Speaker 5: a lot about no new wars and and no new
Speaker 5: foreign conflict. So she is on the record with with
Speaker 5: essentially uh saying that she is not for starting new
Speaker 5: wars abroad, and she has not been a key figure
Speaker 5: in the room. You know, we have reported this, others
Speaker 5: have reported this in recent weeks. When it comes to
Speaker 5: Venezuela and Iran and some of the discussions about Cuba,
Speaker 5: she has been of course, she she had a top
Speaker 5: role in the administration, but the reporting says that she
Speaker 5: was not really a key figure in these discussions. Trump
Speaker 5: has a very small national security team around him. It's
Speaker 5: a it's a very small group of individuals that includes
Speaker 5: Mark or Rubio. Jade Vance is also part of that,
Speaker 5: Pete Haig Seth. There are other top advisors. But but
Speaker 5: really when it comes to who he's listening to and
Speaker 5: talking about these things with the smaller group than you'd expect.
Speaker 3: Yes, I will note that in our reporting an indication
Speaker 3: some people refer to D and I as do not invite.
Speaker 3: That was a nickname or position and earned over the
Speaker 3: course of this second term.
Speaker 6: Kate, you mentioned Cuba, and I'd love to go there
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a lot of talk about what might happen
Speaker 3: next with with Ron, how long this ceasefire might last,
Speaker 3: will it be continued perhaps in perpetuity. At the same time,
Speaker 3: we have seen over the course of this last week
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure ratcheting up on Cuba as well.
Speaker 6: Talk a bit about that and what.
Speaker 3: The latest thinking is among members of this administration and
Speaker 3: observers about where all of this might be headed.
Speaker 5: You know, it was interesting because we've heard Trump really
Speaker 5: escalating up until this week. We really heard him escalating
Speaker 5: his rhetoric on Cuba and saying a lot of things
Speaker 5: along the lines of, you know, after Ron, we're going
Speaker 5: to turn to Cuba. You know, I might be the
Speaker 5: first president to really do something there, really kind of
Speaker 5: heavily hinting at potential military action in Cuba. I thought
Speaker 5: it was interesting when he was speaking to reporters on Wednesday,
Speaker 5: I believe he seemed to downplay the need for military
Speaker 5: action to further ratchet up pressure on Cuba. And this
Speaker 5: is coming, of course, after the indictment of ral Castro,
Speaker 5: the former president of Cuba, which in of itself was
Speaker 5: a huge escalation. You know, the United States has charged
Speaker 5: him with murder and so he's but it was interesting
Speaker 5: after that, you know, which a lot of people saw
Speaker 5: as sort of perhaps a prelude to US military action
Speaker 5: in Cuba. The President at least publicly is now saying
Speaker 5: that there is not a need to UH to further
Speaker 5: ratchet up pressure pressure there. And he was asked about
Speaker 5: military action in Cuba, and he seemed to really downplay
Speaker 5: the need for that. So it's it's unclear what the
Speaker 5: next steps are on Cuba, but of course we're we're
Speaker 5: closely watching any and all developments there.
Speaker 6: Strategic ambiguity.
Speaker 2: Christiana, Yeah, that was surprising to me, given the indictment
Speaker 2: and then the president's rearrange travel plans. We were bracing
Speaker 2: for another long night in a busy morning, but so
Speaker 2: far the center seems to be holding. Before we let
Speaker 2: you go, I do want to ask you just briefly
Speaker 2: about Ebola, which is the other big story we've been
Speaker 2: talking about this morning. I actually just asked our control
Speaker 2: room because I didn't remember the President talking much about this.
Speaker 2: He was asked about it a couple of days ago
Speaker 2: if he was concerned about a bola and said, I'm
Speaker 2: concerned about everything, but certainly am I think you know
Speaker 2: it's been confined right now to Africa, but it's something
Speaker 2: that had a breakout, and then he turned to other
Speaker 2: individuals to speak more about it. Has there been a
Speaker 2: lot of messaging from the White House on this. We've
Speaker 2: heard from the State Department, We've heard a bit from
Speaker 2: Health Apparatus's CDC about how they're trying to prevent the
Speaker 2: outbreak from coming here. But is this an issue that's
Speaker 2: even really on the President's radar at this point.
Speaker 5: That's a great question. We've not heard a lot of messaging,
Speaker 5: Bonnie Bola specifically. The President has been asked about it
Speaker 5: a couple of times, and like you mentioned, he said,
Speaker 5: you know, sort of he'll make these statements like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, of course, I'm concerned about everything. And I
Speaker 5: think it's also important to note that, you know, health
Speaker 5: officials and experts are saying that these really these cuts
Speaker 5: to us and the United States pulling out of the
Speaker 5: WHO but that has really negatively impacted the response to
Speaker 5: the to ebola on the ground. But so far, we've
Speaker 5: not heard a lot from this White House about what
Speaker 5: the plan is and how concerned they are, and so
Speaker 5: it's I think it'll be something that we just continue
Speaker 5: to watch in the coming weeks, But we've not heard
Speaker 5: a lot from the President on this so far.
Speaker 2: All Right, Kate.
Speaker 6: Sulvin, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you joining us here on this Saturday, and we're
Speaker 3: going to keep talking about foreign policy here as pres
Speaker 3: and Trump considers what's next with the war in Iran.
Speaker 3: Former US officials like General David Petraeus, who served as
Speaker 3: the director of the CIA, of course, was the commander
Speaker 3: of sencom our meeting with world leaders to discuss all
Speaker 3: of the global conflicts we've been talking about over the
Speaker 3: course of the morning. He has been to Kiev himself
Speaker 3: ten times since Russia invaded Ukraine, and last week he
Speaker 3: was in the Middle East. On the heels of that trip,
Speaker 3: I sat down with the General and I asked him
Speaker 3: how he defines victory in Iran. Thank you very much
Speaker 3: for taking the time.
Speaker 6: Appreciate it. Good to be with you.
Speaker 3: D you define victory in Iran now a couple months
Speaker 3: into this conflict.
Speaker 7: Well, I think actually getting an agreement that would restore
Speaker 7: freedom navigation of the Gulf in the Strait of Remus
Speaker 7: without Iran laying claim to it and being able to
Speaker 7: tax people going through it and ships. I think that's
Speaker 7: probably the most important goal at this moment. But of
Speaker 7: course that doesn't address the other core issues that we
Speaker 7: have with Iran, such as it's nuclear stockpile of almost
Speaker 7: one thousand pounds of sixty percent rich uranium that's just
Speaker 7: one level below weapons grade, the right to enrich in
Speaker 7: the future, their support to proxies in the region that
Speaker 7: are pretty murderous, that Hamas Hasballah Shia militia and Iraq
Speaker 7: Huthi's and Yemen, and then the missile programs and the
Speaker 7: rest of this, And I think it's a pretty limited
Speaker 7: amount of these other concerns that may ever get addressed,
Speaker 7: But clearly there has to be an agreement to get
Speaker 7: this straight reopened and to restore freedom of navigation without
Speaker 7: there might be some arrangement where perhaps there's some modest
Speaker 7: fee charged that might go in part to Iran Oman
Speaker 7: who knows, and navigation aids or something like this, but
Speaker 7: that I think is the imperative at this moment in time,
Speaker 7: and I'm not sure that Iran is going to be
Speaker 7: willing to do that right now. They are insistent that
Speaker 7: they are given control of the golf the Straight and
Speaker 7: that they are able to charge tolls for it. That's
Speaker 7: just I think unacceptable, and it may be that we
Speaker 7: have to go back to war to show them that
Speaker 7: we're pretty serious about this.
Speaker 3: You spent a lot of time in the region. You
Speaker 3: were in a rock recently. What have you learned traveling
Speaker 3: through those countries in recent weeks about how they see
Speaker 3: this conflict unfolding.
Speaker 8: Well, it varies.
Speaker 7: I mean someone is asking me, what do the Gulf
Speaker 7: States think, Well, the Golf State, No, it's not aggreate.
Speaker 7: You can't aggregate. You have to look at each one.
Speaker 7: Emiratis are particular outraged. Then they've been the biggest target
Speaker 7: of the drones and so forth by Iran, in part
Speaker 7: perhaps because they're supportive of the US and have the
Speaker 7: Abraham Accords with Israel. Others have not been on the
Speaker 7: receiving as much, but Cutters lost seventeen percent of their
Speaker 7: LNG production capacity for three to five years. The Saudis
Speaker 7: are actually trying to broker a bit. I actually met
Speaker 7: with the Crown Prince when I was there last week.
Speaker 7: They're working through the Pakistanis, with whom they have a
Speaker 7: very close relation.
Speaker 8: I think it was eight thousand Pakistani troops.
Speaker 7: Just deployed to Saudi rab to help with Kenner drone
Speaker 7: in a variety of other security tasks. So it really
Speaker 7: does depend on the country and so forth. They all
Speaker 7: want though, to see straighter from Moose reopened and to
Speaker 7: ensure that there's not going to be a toll or
Speaker 7: a control by Iran exerted on that that's the be
Speaker 7: all and end all for all of them. But in
Speaker 7: the wake of it, to see enormous investment in hardening, resilience, redundancy,
Speaker 7: alternatives to the use of the strait routes out for
Speaker 7: crude oil and natural gas other than a ship that
Speaker 7: goes through the straight or promoves.
Speaker 8: And this is very, very profound.
Speaker 7: This is a very big, very big implication, especially if
Speaker 7: you're a partner and investment firm like Akar.
Speaker 3: So the investment becomes more inward. I imagine for a
Speaker 3: lot of these nations in the past they might have
Speaker 3: used their softigre wealth funds to invest in US companies tech.
Speaker 7: I've always done a lot inward, but I think it's
Speaker 7: going to be there's going to be a period of time,
Speaker 7: a number of years where the focus really is on
Speaker 7: what they need to do to reduce their vulnerability in
Speaker 7: the future, both to attack. So there's going to be
Speaker 7: a lot of implications for the military organizational changes, what
Speaker 7: they buy, how they buy it, and all the rest
Speaker 7: of this, how they train and operate. So there's very
Speaker 7: very profound changes out there as a result of this,
Speaker 7: which we.
Speaker 8: Haven't really seen.
Speaker 7: I don't think it has been much more steady state in
Speaker 7: a variety of ways for a number of years.
Speaker 3: Are these Skulf nations reevaluating their relationship with the US.
Speaker 6: In light of this?
Speaker 3: Have they felt unprotected or unbacked up?
Speaker 8: I'm sure they have.
Speaker 7: You know, these states tried to stay out of this,
Speaker 7: They tried to take a knee. We were denied access
Speaker 7: to the base at many of the bases we normally occupy.
Speaker 7: Now the truth is we're not as inclined to occupy
Speaker 7: these bases now that we have seen what the Iranians
Speaker 7: can throw at them. This is much more than when
Speaker 7: I was the commander of Central Command, for example, back
Speaker 7: from two thousand and eight to twenty ten. Back then,
Speaker 7: my forward headquarters was at a huge air base outside Doha.
Speaker 8: All you did.
Speaker 7: We had a beautiful headquarters paid for by the cutteries
Speaker 7: one hundred million dollars or whatever, but half of it's
Speaker 7: above ground. And I can assure you the Central Commanded
Speaker 7: Commander did not do what he what his predecessors have
Speaker 7: always done, which is being the same time with all
Speaker 7: of your forces. He stayed at the base at McDill
Speaker 7: Air Force Base outside Tampa. That's where the war has
Speaker 7: been run from, not from the forward hedgewards, a combined
Speaker 7: near operations center, which functions that that same airbase runs
Speaker 7: the air war for the region, and in this case
Speaker 7: even had the Israeli Air Force as part of it.
Speaker 7: In many respects, they didn't run from out there either,
Speaker 7: because it's vulnerable. They actually ran it from an airbase
Speaker 7: in South Carolina.
Speaker 3: How should this conflict reframe the way that we look
Speaker 3: at US military readiness? So we see the use of
Speaker 3: drones in Iran, We've seen them of course in the
Speaker 3: Ukraine wars as well. I think there's been some fear
Speaker 3: that the US has deployed a lot of military might
Speaker 3: in the Middle East that might leave it vulnerable.
Speaker 6: We're China to do so.
Speaker 8: There's a number of issues.
Speaker 7: Well, I've said publicly for a number of years and
Speaker 7: written about it as well, and very recently in the
Speaker 7: Wall Street Journal Foreign Affairs the Hill. I was trying
Speaker 7: to get at tension of Congress on an issue that
Speaker 7: we have not remotely learned all the lessons we should
Speaker 7: have from the war in Ukraine. That is the future
Speaker 7: of war right now, a war in which you one
Speaker 7: side alone. Ukraine is using ten thousand drones a day.
Speaker 7: Ninety percent of the casualties on the Russian side are
Speaker 7: caused by drones. Tanks can't maneuver anymore, they can't survive
Speaker 7: armored vehicles. You can't even drive vehicles in the death zone,
Speaker 7: which is thirty five kilometers on either side of the
Speaker 7: front lines, which aren't even lines anymore, because drones can
Speaker 7: fly into trenches and kill people, so their survival positions.
Speaker 8: So this is just a vast change.
Speaker 7: And by the way, there's more coming because within a
Speaker 7: year or two we're going to see not remotely piloted,
Speaker 7: unmanned systems. And keep in mind that Ukraine is going
Speaker 7: from three point five million drones manufactured last year to
Speaker 7: seven million this year, so they can get up to
Speaker 7: twenty thousand drones per day if they can find the pilots.
Speaker 7: But in the future, we're going to see autonomous systems,
Speaker 7: truly autonomous, that do not require a pilot to remotely
Speaker 7: operate them. And then you face drone swarms, and that
Speaker 7: is something for which we really don't have a solution.
Speaker 7: There's high power microwave coming. It's very short range, it's
Speaker 7: very effective, but you're going to have to have tons
Speaker 7: of it. Given the two to three kilometer range that
Speaker 7: it has. It's spectacular. Everything drops, but you're going to
Speaker 7: have to have a lot of them. So that I
Speaker 7: think hopefully this is going to drive home the absolute
Speaker 7: imperative of true institutional change in the United States, overhauling
Speaker 7: the entire concepts of war and operation. The attendant organizational
Speaker 7: change is sweeping. You know, unmanned systems force equal to
Speaker 7: the Army and Navy Air Force in Ukraine, for example.
Speaker 7: Change how you train and operate, change how you educate
Speaker 7: your leaders, and change obviously what you buy and even
Speaker 7: how you buy it, because you want the opportunity to
Speaker 7: make software change every a week or two, hardware changes
Speaker 7: every few weeks. This is a very different model from
Speaker 7: what we have. Beyond that, we've obviously used a lot
Speaker 7: of our exquisite munitions, cruise missiles and so forth, and
Speaker 7: a lot of our exquisite missile interceptors, a very substantial number,
Speaker 7: and we have really got to get the arsenal democracy
Speaker 7: going again.
Speaker 8: Right now.
Speaker 7: The arsenal democracies in Ukraine, not the United States, and
Speaker 7: we have got to make huge change, and the President's
Speaker 7: doing that. He called together all the defense major companies
Speaker 7: and so forth, laid out what we need them to
Speaker 7: do in terms of tripling or quadruple in production of
Speaker 7: certain systems and so.
Speaker 6: Forth on Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Does it feel like we are at a tipping point?
Speaker 3: We had the approval of this very sizable package from
Speaker 3: the Europeans, We've seen drone attacks now closer to and
Speaker 3: on Moscow. Are we in a different place now than
Speaker 3: we were?
Speaker 8: Yeah? We are.
Speaker 7: And I've actually said for almost a year now that
Speaker 7: I could envision a situation in which if there's sufficient
Speaker 7: support for the Ukrainians, and this nine billion euros from
Speaker 7: the European Commission is very very helpful, probably takes care
Speaker 7: of them for another year and a half, and if
Speaker 7: they can continue to increase the production drones and pilots
Speaker 7: and units that can use them and all the rest
Speaker 7: of that, and start going deeper in Russia and inflicting
Speaker 7: such casualties in Russia that it's maybe the same as
Speaker 7: what they're recruiting on a monthly basis. You know, they've
Speaker 7: now taken almost one point four million killed and wounded.
Speaker 7: That's more than we sustained in all of World War Two.
Speaker 7: So and all of a sudden last month, the Ukrainians
Speaker 7: took back more territory than the Russians actually took from them.
Speaker 7: These are incremental gains, but more for the Ukrainian side,
Speaker 7: and Ukrainians causing staggering amounts of Russian casualty. I just
Speaker 7: don't think that Russia can continue this, certainly next year.
Speaker 7: At some point, I think Putin's going to look in
Speaker 7: the mirror, especially if the lifting of sanctions on their
Speaker 7: oil sales in the price of oil are reimposed and
Speaker 7: his National welfare fund runs out of money because it's
Speaker 7: being diverted to the military industrial complex. All that happens,
Speaker 7: I think you could see a point where Russia needs
Speaker 7: a cessation of hostilities as much as it does Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Last question is just about the balance of hard power
Speaker 3: and soft power at this moment. So we've seen the
Speaker 3: US technicols Maduro bring him to the United States, see
Speaker 3: the US deploy hard power in Iran as well. How
Speaker 3: good are we with that balance at this point? How
Speaker 3: important is it to have that equilibrium between the hard
Speaker 3: power that we're using and the soft power that we're deploying.
Speaker 7: Right, It's a really interesting question, and I'd have to
Speaker 7: say that, certainly from my time in Uniform or the CIA,
Speaker 7: that the hard power is much more prominent and the
Speaker 7: soft power is much reduced. I mean, just the fact
Speaker 7: that we did away with the Agency for International Development
Speaker 7: usaid that we aren't funding anywhere near what we did,
Speaker 7: although Congress has actually restored a lot of this. You know,
Speaker 7: we used to say that what solidifies the gains on
Speaker 7: the battlefield, if you can establish a security foundation, what
Speaker 7: solidifies it is the soft power. It's providing humanitarian assistance.
Speaker 7: It's restoring basic services, it's rebuilding damaged home schools, clinics, shops, roads, bridges.
Speaker 8: All of this.
Speaker 7: So the people say, you know what, I don't want
Speaker 7: these guys to come back and jeopardize this. Let's get
Speaker 7: rid of al Qaeda. You know what do they bring
Speaker 7: on us. Let's get rid of these insurgents. Let's marginalize
Speaker 7: that she and militia supported by Iran, all this kind
Speaker 7: of stuff. So that's what soft power does. To be sure,
Speaker 7: there are many pet rocks in the numbers that you know,
Speaker 7: every congressmen are executive branch official. We can probably survive
Speaker 7: very well with all these well meaning programs and so forth,
Speaker 7: but you can't survive when you're trying to turn security
Speaker 7: gains into actual, solidified gains overall without that kind of
Speaker 7: soft power.
Speaker 8: So I'm a bit concerned by that. General.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
Speaker 8: Great to be with you, David.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right
Speaker 3: after this.
Speaker 2: In a bola outbreak in Central Africa is suspected to
Speaker 2: have killed one hundred and seventy six people, and there
Speaker 2: are about eight hundred and thirty suspected and confirmed cases
Speaker 2: of the deadly disease, but the head of the World
Speaker 2: Health Organization says the scale of the epidemic in the
Speaker 2: Democratic Republic of the Congo is much larger. The US
Speaker 2: officially withdrew from the WHO in January, and experts say
Speaker 2: the public health response to the outbreak has been adversely
Speaker 2: impacted by the dismantling of usaid.
Speaker 3: Estimates from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation show
Speaker 3: is spending on a bola related aid research and operational support,
Speaker 3: including government funding delivered directly or through international aid organizations
Speaker 3: fell roughly one hundred and eighty six thousand dollars last year.
Speaker 3: That is down from about twenty three million dollars in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. Jeremy conna Duct managed the US response
Speaker 3: to the bolder outbreak in West Africa in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: He had a USAID's response to COVID nineteen. Today he's
Speaker 3: the president of Refugees International and he joins us now
Speaker 3: here on this Saturday morning. Jeremy, great to have you
Speaker 3: with us, and I want to start first with just
Speaker 3: what you've observed here over the last few weeks. Christina
Speaker 3: mentioned just a moment ago, there is concern that the
Speaker 3: facts that we have, the data that we have, aren't
Speaker 3: painting a complete holistic picture of how wide this outbreak is.
Speaker 3: Your sense from your experience of how accurate that count seems.
Speaker 9: To be, well, it's certainly an undercount. The case number
Speaker 9: is when they announced the outbreak just over a week ago,
Speaker 9: we're just under two hundred and fifty. Now that's pushing
Speaker 9: eight hundred in the official count. But for cases to
Speaker 9: go out the quickly, that's not new trends mission, that's
Speaker 9: just beginning to get a sense of how much is
Speaker 9: already out there, and I don't think we fully have
Speaker 9: that sense yet. There's not a full contact tracing and
Speaker 9: case finding operation underway yet, and so there is still
Speaker 9: a lot out there that we're not seeing. I'm sure
Speaker 9: it's over a thousand cases by now. It could be
Speaker 9: multiples of that. This is already, on paper, the third
Speaker 9: largest outbreak in history. It's well on its way probably
Speaker 9: to becoming the second largest, given the trajectory that it's on,
Speaker 9: and I think it's going to be exceptionally difficult to contain.
Speaker 2: I know, you're when you're trying to fight an outbreak,
Speaker 2: you're fighting not just a disease, but you're also fighting
Speaker 2: misinformation and disinformation, and talk to us a little bit
Speaker 2: about how hard that battle is as well. Because I
Speaker 2: was reading about this crowd that set fire to one
Speaker 2: of the few functioning hospitals that treats Bala, specifically in
Speaker 2: the eastern DRC, and partially that was because there was mishandling.
Speaker 2: They didn't understand why they couldn't have the body back.
Speaker 2: There's an issue with burial customs where they're washing the
Speaker 2: bodies and then that water is being pased surround and
Speaker 2: it's easy transmission. How do you fight this on two fronts,
Speaker 2: especially when you're short staffed.
Speaker 9: It's such an important point, and it's easy to get
Speaker 9: caught in this idea that we just need a health response,
Speaker 9: we just need clinics. Secretary of Rubio has talked about
Speaker 9: setting up fifty health clinics, and you know, like the
Speaker 9: health clinic piece of this is important, it's also really
Speaker 9: difficult to scale, and of course you need for those
Speaker 9: clinics to mean anything, people need to have confidence that
Speaker 9: they can use them. They have to have confidence and
Speaker 9: trust that they will get treatment, that the treatment that
Speaker 9: they need, and that they understand that that's what they
Speaker 9: need to do. And that all really comes down to trust.
Speaker 9: And so an outbreak response, the foundation of an effective
Speaker 9: outbreak response is trust between the communities who are at
Speaker 9: risk and the health responses. They are the operational and
Speaker 9: health response itself. And we saw this the last time
Speaker 9: there was a major outbreak of Ebola and Eastern Congo
Speaker 9: that was in twenty eighteen nineteen, that was the second
Speaker 9: largest in history after the West Africa one that I
Speaker 9: worked on in twenty fourteen, and we saw these kinds
Speaker 9: of patterns. It's not surprising to me that people, our
Speaker 9: community members are behaving this way because they haven't you know,
Speaker 9: they don't understand the disease, they're not necessarily familiar with it,
Speaker 9: they don't necessarily believe everything they're being told. There's a
Speaker 9: lot of skepticism. This is a part of the country
Speaker 9: that has been affected by war for decades, that is
Speaker 9: quite often quite hostile towards the central government, and so
Speaker 9: when they have the Ministry of Health from the central
Speaker 9: government telling them something, they won't necessarily take that at
Speaker 9: face value. So that's going to be a huge healthy climb.
Speaker 3: Jeremy, I want to ask you about the role that
Speaker 3: the US is playing or isn't playing at this point
Speaker 3: in time. So we've seen the US, as Christina mentioned,
Speaker 3: withdraw from the who not playing an active role in
Speaker 3: that organization any longer. I mentioned the last hour we
Speaker 3: were talking to our colleague Jason Gale, who covers public health,
Speaker 3: that we've both been kind of inundated with emails from
Speaker 3: the State Department over the course of this last week
Speaker 3: detailing what the US has done here, noting that the
Speaker 3: CDC is running point here and saying that the overarching
Speaker 3: objective here is to keep a bullet from coming in
Speaker 3: the United States. How different is the response posture from
Speaker 3: the US this time around than what you lived through
Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen. Jason Gale mentioning to us that Tom Frieden.
Speaker 6: Who ran the CDC, said that the Abola outbreak.
Speaker 3: Was a full time job back when he was in
Speaker 3: that position. And here we're in a position where a
Speaker 3: lot of these key marquee positions in the public health
Speaker 3: apparatus in the US are unfilled or filled by in
Speaker 3: drim appointments.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and doctor fried and I worked very closely together
Speaker 9: on that response. We actually, early in the US response,
Speaker 9: traveled out there together to Liberia to assess first hand
Speaker 9: and to meet with the president of the country. There
Speaker 9: is just dramatically less capacity in the US government to
Speaker 9: tackle a challenge like this than there was even two
Speaker 9: years ago. We had learned a lot of lessons from
Speaker 9: that twenty fourteen Ey Bowl outbreak. At that t time,
Speaker 9: of course, USA it existed, there was a very robust CDC,
Speaker 9: we were a member of the World Health Organization, and
Speaker 9: all of those things were really important. USAID, CDC and
Speaker 9: who worked together hand in glove to lead the international
Speaker 9: response to that outbreak and then reprise that again in
Speaker 9: the large outbreak in the same area of eastern Congo
Speaker 9: in twenty eighteen nineteen. And that's mostly gone now that
Speaker 9: partnership CDC is a shell of what it was. Particularly
Speaker 9: their global capabilities have really been degraded. They're still there.
Speaker 9: I mean, look, the people are excellent, the people are
Speaker 9: have tremendous knowledge. But will they be listened to by
Speaker 9: the people running US health institutions right now? That's a
Speaker 9: big question. USAID, of course, is completely gone, and the
Speaker 9: US is no longer a member of WHO, and often
Speaker 9: CDC staff are barred from even speaking to WHO, So
Speaker 9: that partnership has been just demolished.
Speaker 2: I want to read some statements, as David mentioned, we've
Speaker 2: been getting from the State Department saying it's false to
Speaker 2: claim that USAD reform has negatively impacted our ability to
Speaker 2: respond to ebola. In fact, by bringing a USAAD global
Speaker 2: health functions under a new bureau at the State Department,
Speaker 2: our efforts are more aligned and effective. You also mentioned
Speaker 2: on Tuesday the State Apartment announced they'd be funding these
Speaker 2: fifty clinics to aid in the DRC. But the top
Speaker 2: civil servant and you've gone as a Ministry of Health
Speaker 2: said in an interview that the government was not aware of
Speaker 2: the pledge and it wasn't immediately clear where those thirteen
Speaker 2: million dollars were part of, where that pledge was going,
Speaker 2: or where those clinics were being set up. Where is
Speaker 2: the breakdown? There is this something that would usually happen
Speaker 2: through who these organizations? What is the line of communication
Speaker 2: and is this something you can just stand up or
Speaker 2: does this need logistics and things on the ground that,
Speaker 2: as we've talked about, don't really exist.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I.
Speaker 9: Really am disheartened by that whole exchange because you see
Speaker 9: a few things there. At first, it was my job
Speaker 9: in twenty fourteen to oversee the planning and development and
Speaker 9: funding of about thirty eboa treatment units that we stood
Speaker 9: up across Western Africa West Africa in that outbreak. Those
Speaker 9: things were wildly expensive. It cost us hundreds of millions
Speaker 9: of dollars to stand up and operate those things. So
Speaker 9: thirteen million dollars is barely a start to what it's
Speaker 9: going to cost to get this under control. But I
Speaker 9: think and they're hugely complex. It took us months to
Speaker 9: stand those up because ebola clinics are highly specialized, highly
Speaker 9: specialized facilities because they are built to built around very
Speaker 9: high end infection prevention and control, because you don't want
Speaker 9: to enable more transmissions the whole point of those facilities.
Speaker 9: They're very different from a normal health clinic and very
Speaker 9: difficult to set up. But really importantly, we did all
Speaker 9: that in close, close partnership with the ministries of health
Speaker 9: in the countries we were working with, and the last
Speaker 9: thing we would have ever wanted to do is catch
Speaker 9: them off guard with an announcement. We hadn't discussed with
Speaker 9: them first and didn't have their buy in on. So
Speaker 9: to see that sort of an exchange between the US
Speaker 9: Secretary of State and the and one of the affected
Speaker 9: governments just I think speaks to the lack of coordination,
Speaker 9: the lack of engagement between the US and those and
Speaker 9: those governments. And again that's the sort of function that
Speaker 9: USAID would have facilitated because there were deep, deep webs
Speaker 9: of relationships between the USAID health personnel and those countries
Speaker 9: and their counterparts and ministries of health. And of course
Speaker 9: that's all gone now.
Speaker 3: Jeremy, let me ask you as we wrap up here,
Speaker 3: how worried you are just about the circumstances that we're
Speaker 3: seeing in Africa right now. This is a different strain
Speaker 3: than we've seen before. There isn't a treatment for it.
Speaker 3: As you said that, the numbers seem to be under
Speaker 3: counts of what's likely the case.
Speaker 6: They're in the DRC.
Speaker 3: How concerned are you about the state of things now
Speaker 3: and where they're likely to go? And can you say
Speaker 3: unequivocally that without having usaid, without having the public health
Speaker 3: apparatus in place that we've had in the past, that's
Speaker 3: likely to make this outbreak much much worse.
Speaker 9: It's going to make the response much harder. And when
Speaker 9: you have a slower and less effective response, of course
Speaker 9: the outbreak lasts for longer, and it spreads further, and ultimately,
Speaker 9: you know, delayed or underpowered response just makes the ultimate
Speaker 9: job of containment harder and more expensive, more difficult, it
Speaker 9: will take longer. I fear that's what we're going to see.
Speaker 9: We're going into this with four strikes against us. This
Speaker 9: outbreak has the most momentum upon discovery of any Ebola
Speaker 9: outbreak in history. It's in eastern Congo, which is a
Speaker 9: conflict zone with three and a half million displaced people,
Speaker 9: and we know from the twenty eighteen nineteen outbreak. It's very,
Speaker 9: very hard to fight ebola under those conditions that one
Speaker 9: took two years to get under control. There are no
Speaker 9: countermeasures and no vaccine for this, unlike the normal ebola,
Speaker 9: not normal, but the other ebola strain that we've seen,
Speaker 9: which is the zyre version. And of course we're doing
Speaker 9: this without USA, without the US being part of WHO,
Speaker 9: and with a week in CEA, so all of those
Speaker 9: things are going to make this job much harder.
Speaker 6: Jeremy, I hope you'll come back and we can keep
Speaker 6: in touch throughout all of this.
Speaker 3: Jeremy Conandaye who's the president of Refugees International with a
Speaker 3: host of experience in public health for the US government.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time on this Saturday.
Speaker 2: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend right
Speaker 2: after this.
Speaker 3: Memorial Day, marking the unofficial start of summer, and for
Speaker 3: many Americans that means backyard cookouts, road trips, and burgers
Speaker 3: on the grill.
Speaker 6: I guess it means.
Speaker 3: Restaurants across the country for one of the busiest stretches
Speaker 3: of the year. We have Patrick Conlin, president of Wayback Burgers,
Speaker 3: here with us on set in New York.
Speaker 6: He's brought a bevy of burgers, chicken nuggets. What is
Speaker 6: this light? What is this fluorescent blue drink? We've got that?
Speaker 6: Hoist that up?
Speaker 10: That is blue raspberry lemonade.
Speaker 2: I don't think that color is found in nation, but
Speaker 2: I'm excited to buy I did to have it.
Speaker 10: That's to celebrate America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 3: Let me just ask you first a broad questions about
Speaker 3: how the burger biz is doing. We hear a lot
Speaker 3: of talk of the k shaped economy. Obviously a lot
Speaker 3: of people understrained because of rising energy prices. How's the
Speaker 3: business doing in light of all that? How's the consumer doing?
Speaker 3: As you see him and her?
Speaker 6: Still well?
Speaker 10: I mean we took a it was a little slow
Speaker 10: last year and coming into this year, but our sales
Speaker 10: at way back have been up since March. And people
Speaker 10: love burgers just a nostalgic feel. And this weekend starts
Speaker 10: really the kickoff, like you mentioned earlier, for the burger season.
Speaker 2: Where are you guys most located and where are your
Speaker 2: big markets? Are there specific places we were seeing people
Speaker 2: are really going all in on fast food again, Well.
Speaker 10: We're fast casual, so a little bit, a little bit
Speaker 10: higher quality, a nicer atmosphere, better experience. We may have
Speaker 10: a relationship with the guests, but we have We're in
Speaker 10: thirty five states across the US, big concentration in the northeast, southeast, Southwest,
Speaker 10: and we just opened up our in our thirty fifth state.
Speaker 10: We just opened up in Iowa a couple.
Speaker 6: Of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I Fast Casual had a bit of a slump too.
Speaker 2: For a minute, there are you. Are you seeing a
Speaker 2: rebound or did that impact you? I mean, I know
Speaker 2: we joke the slot bowl places like Chipotle and Kava
Speaker 2: and anything that comes in a bowl was having a
Speaker 2: really hard time. Did you see that slump as well?
Speaker 2: Or did you feel like you guys were in a
Speaker 2: good sweet spot where it's it's a product everybody knows,
Speaker 2: but in as slightly as you say, elevated place to be.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we saw it. I mean no question that the
Speaker 10: consumers were looking for a value. But value is also
Speaker 10: a better product. So we did some things late last
Speaker 10: year to enhance a value proposition for the guests that
Speaker 10: come into our restaurants.
Speaker 6: And continue that today.
Speaker 2: What did you do?
Speaker 10: We did some meal deals and we introduced wraps for
Speaker 10: a short time, limited time offer, which was a lower
Speaker 10: priced item, and then just recently we introduced the chicken nuggets.
Speaker 10: Even though we're a burger chain, and I think you're
Speaker 10: enjoying those on a more ay weekend.
Speaker 2: It's someone who doesn't need beef. I appreciate it your.
Speaker 4: Nuggets, breakfast nugget Lisa about this beef, because I mean,
Speaker 4: this is hardy burger and I know I go to
Speaker 4: the supermarket. I slat burgers on the grill. They're not cheap.
Speaker 4: Nowadays they've gone up in price. So how are you guys?
Speaker 6: Protein?
Speaker 4: But it's they're not cheap and the prices have gone up,
Speaker 4: So how do you deal with that? Do you have
Speaker 4: to pass the price onto the consumer?
Speaker 11: How are you working?
Speaker 10: You have to pass some of the price onto the consumer,
Speaker 10: but sometimes sometimes you may have to eat a little
Speaker 10: bit of it. We've been very lucky with our beef
Speaker 10: supplier that this year there was a minimal increase so
Speaker 10: it didn't hurt our franchisees and we didn't really pass
Speaker 10: a large price increase onto the consumer.
Speaker 6: In twenty twenty six, I've.
Speaker 3: Got a question just about Please Lisa, take your time
Speaker 3: keeps the camera camera trained on Lisa for that one.
Speaker 3: My goodness, we have seen maybe not one of your
Speaker 3: direct competitors, a fast food chane that has a king
Speaker 3: as a mascot, do a very public campaigns and they're
Speaker 3: reinventing themselves, reinventing what the burger is and how it's
Speaker 3: cooked and what people think they're getting there in the
Speaker 3: industry broadly, how much does that happen? I mean, you're
Speaker 3: holding on to a lot of nostalgia the way things happen.
Speaker 3: People go to you for a certain reason when you
Speaker 3: introduce something like wraps or chicken nuggets. How much thought
Speaker 3: do you put into branching out into something that people
Speaker 3: might not know you for. And is there a chance
Speaker 3: that that as you move away from your core business
Speaker 3: that that could backfire.
Speaker 10: Sure, we have to be very careful about what we
Speaker 10: introduce that is not one of our core items, and
Speaker 10: we do a lot of research throughout the year of
Speaker 10: what's trending. We don't look to be the trendiest restaurant
Speaker 10: company out there, but we want to look at what's
Speaker 10: on trend, So we'll look at things like chicken nuggets,
Speaker 10: We'll look at the wraps as a value proposition. Do
Speaker 10: you where are we ever going to bring in, you know,
Speaker 10: some crazy, really out of the box item.
Speaker 6: I don't think so. Keen wa bulls, Yeah, probably Okay, No, te,
Speaker 6: We're still okay.
Speaker 10: Even though we have chicken on our menu, We're still
Speaker 10: eighty five percent of our entrees or burgrasy.
Speaker 2: Margins in the restaurant business are legendarily thin. As you
Speaker 2: look at the year, you know, obviously we're bloomberg, and
Speaker 2: we talk about money and economics and what's going on
Speaker 2: in the least impacts everything. The downstream effect is going
Speaker 2: to happen. I don't know if you've seen that yet,
Speaker 2: but you know we're going into planting seasons where farmers
Speaker 2: are going to have to pay more for fertilizer. I
Speaker 2: know you have transportation costs, that's fuel. What are you
Speaker 2: worried about? What are you looking? Where are you kind
Speaker 2: of already seeing those prices spike?
Speaker 10: So far, we haven't seen anything spike. We lock into
Speaker 10: the majority of our our core items that we sell
Speaker 10: in the restaurants or locked in on yearly contracts, ok,
Speaker 10: so that we do before the beginning of the year,
Speaker 10: So we're good for this year. Unless there's a fuel
Speaker 10: surch charge could could happen on the on the the
Speaker 10: food distributor to the restaurant, which would one or two.
Speaker 6: Dollars a delivery. So not a huge impact. Yet.
Speaker 10: The more concern is the impact on the consumer coming
Speaker 10: into the restaurant and if you're paying X amount more
Speaker 10: for gas today, are you going to cut back.
Speaker 6: On what you're going to eat?
Speaker 10: So so far, Lockwood, it hasn't affected us. I think
Speaker 10: it more affects people in coffee business. And you can
Speaker 10: cut out going out and getting a coffee a couple
Speaker 10: of days a week, or an ice cream coling, you
Speaker 10: still have to eat lunch, you still have to eat dinner.
Speaker 3: And I go back to something you said the top,
Speaker 3: which is the start of burger season. So we have
Speaker 3: this conceit here Memorial Day, people are out grilling. A
Speaker 3: season starts. Is that born out in your business? Is
Speaker 3: there a seasonality to the fast casual business or do
Speaker 3: you see kind of a constant trend of customers throughout
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 10: The constant trend really, our business starts picking up right
Speaker 10: after Valentine's Day and goes through October and then the
Speaker 10: holidays dip down a little bit and then we wait
Speaker 10: for Valentine's Day again.
Speaker 11: I asked about the chicken.
Speaker 6: I was just meeking for that to happen. I'm glad.
Speaker 6: Tell us how the burger, how's the burger?
Speaker 11: The burgers phenomenal, But you mentioned chicken?
Speaker 4: So is that more of more pressure because we hear
Speaker 4: about the chicken wars, you know everything between Chick fil
Speaker 4: a and the Popeyes.
Speaker 11: That's the big thing. Was that the.
Speaker 4: Pressure you about to kind of bring you know what?
Speaker 4: Or did it come from your your customers and said, you.
Speaker 2: Know or is it annoying people like me who can't
Speaker 2: eat beef?
Speaker 6: And good point.
Speaker 10: We we didn't want to be even though we're way
Speaker 10: back burgers, we didn't want to be solely that narrowly
Speaker 10: focused on burgers. Because if there's a people in an
Speaker 10: office of four people and three people want to go
Speaker 10: for burgers, and one person says, I don't I had
Speaker 10: a burger yesterday or I don't eat burgers, they could
Speaker 10: sway the other three people.
Speaker 6: So we wanted to have that.
Speaker 10: We didn't want to get that veto vote, So we
Speaker 10: wanted to have We've always had chicken on the menu.
Speaker 10: We used to have chicken. We have a chicken sandwich,
Speaker 10: and we have we had chicken tenders. But then one
Speaker 10: of our longtime vendors came to us with a whole
Speaker 10: meat chicken nugget, and that's a whole white breast meat.
Speaker 10: So I couldn't stop eating them. When we tested them in.
Speaker 2: The front, we had about thirty seconds. What's your favorite
Speaker 2: menu item? Was the thing you'd like to eat?
Speaker 10: My favorite menu item is either the classic that that
Speaker 10: you're eating today, way back classic, or usually any one
Speaker 10: of our lt O burgers, a limited time offer burgers
Speaker 10: that were that we come out with. We just came
Speaker 10: off of Sweet and Spicy Melt, which was a double
Speaker 10: double patty burger with pepper jack cheese and a pineapple jam.
Speaker 6: All right, thank you very much for coming and thanks
Speaker 6: for bringing all this.
Speaker 3: If Lisa drinks this this blue drink, that'll really be something.
Speaker 6: To be bold.
Speaker 4: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right
Speaker 4: after this, all.
Speaker 2: Right, welcome back now for this weekend.
Speaker 6: Have you had that drink yet, either of you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: For this weekend's point of news, Quarz, it's tasty, it's
Speaker 2: very sweet. I also have my own support French Fries.
Speaker 2: Lisa is going to go through our point of news
Speaker 2: quiz and I'm going to try to retain my streak
Speaker 2: of beating David Garratt.
Speaker 6: I think that streak has been broken in recent weeks.
Speaker 6: It's not been good.
Speaker 11: It's not been a good ride. So Lisa Regain, I'm
Speaker 11: gonna I'm gonna hook you up.
Speaker 2: So women on the show, I need to I need
Speaker 2: to like tellpaf me some power.
Speaker 11: Okay, here we go, three categories. Are you ready? If
Speaker 11: you're playing at home? We asked them three categories.
Speaker 4: They have thirty chips in front of them and they
Speaker 4: place their bets depending on how confident they feel about
Speaker 4: each category.
Speaker 11: All right, so the first category is.
Speaker 4: Retail retail, okay, second is crypto, and the third.
Speaker 11: Is obituary obituaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Ending on a high note, Lisa.
Speaker 11: Now you've had this like streak where you go ten
Speaker 11: across the board.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's with that I think it isn't working.
Speaker 6: And now there.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to emulate it thus because it actually
Speaker 3: has boosted my confidence greatly and I have woncal support.
Speaker 11: French Frise.
Speaker 2: You can't hurt me today.
Speaker 6: What we got?
Speaker 4: Okay, let's start with retail tail Chinese e commerce giant.
Speaker 4: She is acquiring which San Francisco based retailer for one
Speaker 4: hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: Like David knows this one to you were just talking
Speaker 2: about this and I was, it's a segment on this.
Speaker 4: This is like the fight in my house, I say,
Speaker 4: she and my daughter says, no, it's cheane, No, it's
Speaker 4: s Yeah.
Speaker 11: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 6: Mama's always here's mama maeo over here.
Speaker 4: Let's flip it and see if you guys ever, very
Speaker 4: every I have it. They're buying you for about one
Speaker 4: hundred million dollars because I confess I don't know.
Speaker 2: What it was really a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 2: it's it's big thing with sustainable fashion, and it's gotten
Speaker 2: less and less sustainable on the quality in my opinion
Speaker 2: as someone who used to buy it has gone down
Speaker 2: a lot, and now they are selling to one of
Speaker 2: the most legendarily unsustainable is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know the buzzwords.
Speaker 2: You're doing so well. It's a very it's a very convers.
Speaker 6: You're sad about that you're a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Brief have surpassed as to most of my friends, so
Speaker 2: good luck to them.
Speaker 11: We've got packages.
Speaker 6: Coming far flung cities in China.
Speaker 11: All right, it is all.
Speaker 4: Right, you running go to crypto you're feel you're feeling good, okay, okay, oh,
Speaker 4: here we go. Before Bitcoin Depot had filed for bankruptcy,
Speaker 4: it was once North America's largest operator of which crypto
Speaker 4: transaction tool?
Speaker 11: What's the name of that tool? I thought that wing.
Speaker 6: Yes, crypto transaction tool.
Speaker 4: Yes, the largest operator of which crypto transaction?
Speaker 3: All right, whatever, fine, all right, you want to try
Speaker 3: it again?
Speaker 11: Blockchain, blockchain, no Christina ATMs.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is it that people just don't need it
Speaker 2: to be cash anymore.
Speaker 11: They were the largest operator crypto ATMs.
Speaker 3: You know, I've always enjoyed seeing those and wonder who
Speaker 3: actually uses them.
Speaker 4: They're just saying the business model is not sustainable anymore.
Speaker 6: So well I.
Speaker 3: Could have told them that. Nobody asked me. I use
Speaker 3: an ATM all the time. I don't use like a bitcoin.
Speaker 2: ATM though exactly us carry cash like regularly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a tip, A couple bucks for tip.
Speaker 3: My kid goes to lunch. I have to pay for
Speaker 3: his out to lunch.
Speaker 11: Yes, oh wow, oh, just uses the Apple.
Speaker 3: Pitch, slippery slippery slope. We got to learn how to
Speaker 3: tell time. We talked about that earlier with an analog watch.
Speaker 3: And you got to learn how to count your change
Speaker 3: or you can be taken advantage of in a retail setting.
Speaker 11: This is a good point.
Speaker 2: All right, we're easy.
Speaker 6: Sorry I lost that one. Take those towns.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you lost, you lost?
Speaker 11: Okay, that's right, that's right to be all right, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 11: here you go.
Speaker 6: Obituary that one.
Speaker 2: Not feeling good about.
Speaker 11: This, okay, obituaries.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 4: Democratic Representative Barney Frank died on May twentieth. What year
Speaker 4: was he first elected to Congress?
Speaker 6: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Okay, it was an easier question, but they changed to
Speaker 4: make it harder for you guys.
Speaker 6: Control room.
Speaker 7: What year?
Speaker 4: Okay, I can accept two answers.
Speaker 6: Did you answer?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: If you get close to it, maybe I'll throw you
Speaker 4: a trip or two.
Speaker 6: Okay, great, I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy eight, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4: Oh it's nineteen eighty very close.
Speaker 3: This is like if we're a competing game show. I
Speaker 3: got the lower number, you know, it's like the one dollar.
Speaker 2: Just give me your chips.
Speaker 4: So the election it was actually nineteen eighty began the
Speaker 4: term in January third, nineteen eighty one, so either one
Speaker 4: I would have taken.
Speaker 11: Well, who do we got here? Closing?
Speaker 4: Okay, Christina's up up, up up, all right, we got aut.
Speaker 11: We've got the bonus, and it's beauty girl.
Speaker 3: Yes, Sar David, I can't wait for we'll get a
Speaker 3: landa papina back. We'll do like an investigation of the
Speaker 3: dramatic collusion that's been happening in this game, like.
Speaker 6: We'll get the equities.
Speaker 11: We're happy. We got burgers and fries.
Speaker 4: Beauty okay, South Korean beauty giant, What Young is coming
Speaker 4: to the US. Its name contains a food that comes
Speaker 4: in men's andanila variety.
Speaker 2: Hey, that comes and what.
Speaker 11: It comes in a man's vanilla variety.
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no beauty giant.
Speaker 4: Blank Young Okay, Okay, No, they didn't I know it's
Speaker 4: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I feel I'm gonna I'm gonna write coming to the
Speaker 3: face face beauty.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, oh, she's a racing she's a racing.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, you can't erase you show yours already.
Speaker 6: I'm done.
Speaker 11: No Illive Young, olive and olives no, no, no, nothing
Speaker 11: but happy. Happy to have some more beauty, man, I know,
Speaker 11: more k beauty.
Speaker 6: All right, well, we're gonna forget this happened.
Speaker 11: But I'm gonna put.
Speaker 2: My Neon orange chips for our radio listeners next to
Speaker 2: my Neon blue soda and I'm going to take a
Speaker 2: victory sip.
Speaker 11: There we go.
Speaker 6: We're gonna check your Thank you very much, all right,
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