Speaker 1: I Am all in again.
Speaker 2: Oh let's.
Speaker 1: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast one
Speaker 1: of Love Productions, iHeartRadio Media, I Heart Podcasts, Season one,
Speaker 1: Episode seventeen, The Breakup, Part two. We are joined by
Speaker 1: part of my intrepid crew Susanne French you know where
Speaker 1: you love her, and the one and only Jason Earls. Okay, basically,
Speaker 1: we're bringing on a Disney Channel legend who you may
Speaker 1: not have known was an extra on Gilmore Girls. He's
Speaker 1: an active director all around town who made us laugh
Speaker 1: as a hilarious Jackson Stewart on Hannah Montana. If you
Speaker 1: don't know who I'm talking about, this is the one
Speaker 1: and only Jason Earls. Jason Welcome, Hello, How are you hello?
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Scott. I'm so excited to
Speaker 2: be here. Seriously, I you were my favorite character by
Speaker 2: far on the show.
Speaker 3: I love everybody on the show, but like I just
Speaker 3: identified with your character Luke.
Speaker 2: So much that I'm just I'm beyond stoke to be here.
Speaker 1: That's very kind to you. Thank you you were on
Speaker 1: what you just did? The one episode Season three, episode sixteen,
Speaker 1: the Big One.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was in season three, episode sixteen thirteen,
Speaker 3: which was when Paris was making the speech about not
Speaker 3: getting into Harvard. I'm right over Loreleized shoulder in the audience.
Speaker 1: We have a photo of it. There you are, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there you are. Shelton By Centennials speech competition. She derails.
Speaker 1: Paris derails at the plant speech by revealing her Harvard
Speaker 1: rejection and loss of virginity. As a camera cuts to
Speaker 1: Richard and Lorelized reactions. Jason appears in the background between them.
Speaker 3: What's funny is that people will send me pictures of
Speaker 3: this all the time on my social media and they're like, dude,
Speaker 3: why do you look so dead inside? We were probably
Speaker 3: shooting for like hours and hours. The scene is like,
Speaker 3: she's talking about losing a virginity, not getting into Harvard.
Speaker 2: So I think we, you know, we were all shocked
Speaker 2: at what she was.
Speaker 1: Right, Pleasure, you've been sitting around all day in craft
Speaker 1: service and you know, yeah, you get that glassy look.
Speaker 1: That's nice to me too, all right. So so the
Speaker 1: synopsis of this and it aired March fifteen, two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. That's a long time ago. That's twenty four
Speaker 1: years ago ended almost Rory kisses Tristan at a party
Speaker 1: after fighting with Dean and Laurel, I impulsively shows up
Speaker 1: at Max's house for a night of love making. Nick
Speaker 1: Mark directed Amy Sherman Peltino, The one only wrote this
Speaker 1: gem What do we think? Kids?
Speaker 2: I love this episode?
Speaker 1: Tell me why.
Speaker 3: I just think, like, especially coming off the episode before it,
Speaker 3: you know, like that whole episode about all these people
Speaker 3: in love and Laura like sort of going through the.
Speaker 2: Town and she's witnessing all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And she's like, what the heck? And then and then
Speaker 3: this is like almost its counterpoint, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's really just watching that beat he's stripped away from
Speaker 3: Rory and then ultimately making Laura like question her own stuff,
Speaker 3: and that's how she ends up going back and like
Speaker 3: sort of rekindling with Max and seeing if there's anything there.
Speaker 3: So I just I loved like the way the two
Speaker 3: episodes mirror each other, and I love the fact that
Speaker 3: this one starts exactly where the last one ended, Like.
Speaker 2: It there's no like, wait a minute, what happened?
Speaker 3: Like in that I wanted to see the immediate aftermath
Speaker 3: of her coming home and we got it, so it
Speaker 3: was it was a very satisfying episode from top to
Speaker 3: bottom my phone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And you know, the title the
Speaker 4: break Up Part two kind of like what you were saying,
Speaker 4: like part one we saw at the end of the
Speaker 4: last episode, and it just like picked up right where
Speaker 4: I left off, which I thought was, you know, a
Speaker 4: great way to start it because there was just no interruption.
Speaker 4: And I liked this episode too. I thought Alexis really
Speaker 4: did a good job of nailing that teenage angst of
Speaker 4: your first love going bad and you're just like your
Speaker 4: shell shocked, like you don't even know like it it
Speaker 4: changes your whole world, and I thought she did a
Speaker 4: really good job of capturing that. And then Laurel I
Speaker 4: was the great counterpart to that. Like she's in the
Speaker 4: diner and she sees Rachel and Luke and Rachel are
Speaker 4: you know, all kind of cute and then she's like
Speaker 4: it kind of got the wheels turning, and you know,
Speaker 4: then she's like, well, I might as well, you know,
Speaker 4: go see what Max is doing because I don't think
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have anything going on here.
Speaker 1: And then what'd you think about the Luke fight with Dean?
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: That's literally my favorite part of the entire episode. It
Speaker 3: is so it's so like, it's not even like I
Speaker 3: think now people might be like that's taw like toxic masculine,
Speaker 3: but it is so not. It is so like like
Speaker 3: small town looking out for your people. You wrong the
Speaker 3: people I love, and I'm coming after you. And literally
Speaker 3: the funniest moment for me in the whole episode is
Speaker 3: after the fight takes place and you think it's done
Speaker 3: and then you're marching about after him and Laura I
Speaker 3: spins you around. You're like he started.
Speaker 2: Like, It's the funniest line in the entire episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, strange, right, a grown man goes after sixteen year old,
Speaker 1: but not your average sixteen year old. We're talking about
Speaker 1: a six foot four it's yeah, mature. Who. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it wouldn't fly today, But in that episode
Speaker 4: it was hilarious, Like it literally was a laugh out
Speaker 4: loud moment, like when she looks out the window and
Speaker 4: sees you guys out there, It was funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I agree that it might not fly like if you
Speaker 3: wrote it today, except for I think Luke is the
Speaker 3: one character that can get away with that. I think
Speaker 3: that he's so like there's just something so lovable about him,
Speaker 3: and he's.
Speaker 2: So protective of the people that he cares about.
Speaker 3: That like I think you just sort of like you
Speaker 3: put your blinders on for that, Like maybe you shouldn't
Speaker 3: be man handling.
Speaker 2: A sixteen year old, but you don't know a kid.
Speaker 2: It was really Yeah, moved around.
Speaker 1: Nobody was throwing hands. I didn't throw hands at at him.
Speaker 1: I just tried to prevent him from going in to
Speaker 1: do more harm to Rory. Yeah, okay, that's how I
Speaker 1: justify it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Luke was definitely in dad mode that whole scene,
Speaker 4: like with the pank cakes and I'm going to bring
Speaker 4: you strawberries like it just I don't know it was.
Speaker 4: I think you're right it was. He was very protective
Speaker 4: of Rory and it was it was cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Susan, do you remember your first breakup?
Speaker 4: I do remember. It wasn't my first breakup, but the
Speaker 4: one that hurt the most actually was I was older.
Speaker 4: I was twenty three and I was my college boyfriend
Speaker 4: broke up with me in the tunnels coming out of
Speaker 4: Logan Airport and nineteen ninety something, and it was I
Speaker 4: can't even put words to it like it was devastating.
Speaker 4: It was completely I was blindsided and it was completely unexpected,
Speaker 4: and it was it was a bad scene for a
Speaker 4: long time, Jason.
Speaker 2: I owe a couple of good ones.
Speaker 3: My girl friend in high school, and we broke up
Speaker 3: like kind of officially at like a New Year's ey
Speaker 3: like party, and I and I did not I did
Speaker 3: not handle it well. I was really broken up over it.
Speaker 3: I was I was so like, I was so submitting
Speaker 3: with this girl that I actually ended up following her
Speaker 3: one thousand miles to college to see if I could
Speaker 3: rekindle it.
Speaker 2: And obviously that did not work.
Speaker 3: It was a it was a great choice in the
Speaker 3: grand scheme of things, but it was a really dumb
Speaker 3: thing that that an eighteen year old would do.
Speaker 2: Is just you know, you're gonna you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Follow your high school girl friend to college and make
Speaker 3: it work, and it never works.
Speaker 1: It's I guess episode seen out of the graduate. You tried.
Speaker 1: You gotta try. Only young people of that kind of
Speaker 1: energy follow somebody a thousand miles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right now, I'd be like, okay, see yah.
Speaker 1: Got the stuff to do? Did you throw away stuff?
Speaker 1: Did you have stuff? Did you throw it away.
Speaker 4: You know, I did not throw it away, although I
Speaker 4: actually don't know where it is now, Like if I
Speaker 4: had to find out, I don't know where it is.
Speaker 4: But but now I didn't. I didn't throw I don't
Speaker 4: really throw things away. Like I'm kind of a sentimental person,
Speaker 4: so I like to hang on to memories.
Speaker 1: How do you think Laurel I felt. Do you think
Speaker 1: she she didn't really throw the stuff out she put
Speaker 1: in her closet right and then hit it. So that means, like,
Speaker 1: does that mean to you guys that she's holding out
Speaker 1: hope that maybe Royal change your mind, or Dean will
Speaker 1: apologize in the right way and they'll get back on track.
Speaker 3: Or I feel like she just knew that, like eventually
Speaker 3: it'll come around in some way where she may want that,
Speaker 3: And so she was just sort of like she was
Speaker 3: just being prepared for that.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 3: The moment later that that she mirrors it herself. She
Speaker 3: pulls her box down and she finds the thing that
Speaker 3: reminds her of Max. So like she knew that someday
Speaker 3: she would want that thing that she herself hid in
Speaker 3: the closet.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So that's one of the things that I love about
Speaker 3: the show is there's so many of these things that
Speaker 3: Mary Rory and Laurel I together like that just there's
Speaker 3: such they're so simpatico. It's like it's like if a
Speaker 3: mother and daughter could be soulmates. Like that's literally like
Speaker 3: what this thing was. And so it just it just
Speaker 3: felt like her her natural intuitive instincts was like I
Speaker 3: would want this. I think someday she want this some day,
Speaker 3: So I'm going to make sure that I don't rob
Speaker 3: the future.
Speaker 4: I completely agree with that. It's it's like she she
Speaker 4: realizes that once that initial wave of despair wears off,
Speaker 4: you might want to go back and look at that
Speaker 4: stuff someday and there will be happy memories there instead
Speaker 4: of the painful ones. So keeping that door open.
Speaker 1: All right, So we have I think one of the
Speaker 1: most painful scenes that I've seen is is is Rory
Speaker 1: forcing her mom out of bed at six am. I
Speaker 1: really felt for her, Did you not feel for her?
Speaker 4: I thought it was unusually bright for six a m.
Speaker 4: Like the sun was out and it.
Speaker 2: Was like, how are you sleeping through that? Anyway? It's
Speaker 2: so bright?
Speaker 4: Yeah, But when she rips the covers off of her
Speaker 4: and She's like, that.
Speaker 1: Was funny that prest and and then she comes downstairs
Speaker 1: and she finds that Rory has rear arranged the furniture
Speaker 1: in the living room. How did that hit you?
Speaker 3: Huh Well, immediately, the first thing I thought was like,
Speaker 3: she woke her mom up at six am, which I
Speaker 3: means she rearranged the furniture at Like, I'm like, what,
Speaker 3: that's insanity to me.
Speaker 1: That's a little strange. But you know, she's got that
Speaker 1: energy she doesn't know what to do with, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, everybody deals with it her own way and
Speaker 4: won't wallow, but she'll rearrange all the furniture.
Speaker 1: And that leads me to the next segment is the wallowing.
Speaker 1: That's what Laura I advises her daughter to, You gotta wallow,
Speaker 1: but Rory she doesn't really want to wallow. So so
Speaker 1: Laura I kind of gives into this list that Rory
Speaker 1: made of things that she wants to get done, and
Speaker 1: getting a garden hose to go to the recycling center. Man,
Speaker 1: what a kid? What a kid? All right, So Rory
Speaker 1: won't even walk by dosies, and she won't cut across
Speaker 1: because you know, the school, because you know, Dean plays
Speaker 1: football there once in a while, so they can't go
Speaker 1: to Luke's. They have to get to Luke's and how
Speaker 1: to what are security is?
Speaker 2: We're gonna go through the tresure, Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: And once they get there, it's it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a packed six a m crowd.
Speaker 2: Her reaction so funny. It would be who were all
Speaker 2: these people? What is going on? It's so funny.
Speaker 1: And and you know, we see Rachel come down in
Speaker 1: a flant, you know, flannel, and she's serving food and
Speaker 1: greets them and pours coffee for them. Where's Luke and
Speaker 1: the whole thing? So you know, now Laura la is
Speaker 1: again her her mind is is turning a little bit
Speaker 1: about still from the previous episode, like where's mind? She
Speaker 1: can't seem to like all these other people around me
Speaker 1: are having this drama. They're they're hooking up, they're breaking up,
Speaker 1: and like me, it's like I can't even yeah, get
Speaker 1: the first.
Speaker 2: Base I have.
Speaker 3: I have like released unusually strong feelings about this scene.
Speaker 3: And then also like when she ends up like with
Speaker 3: Max because again and Luke being my favorite character in
Speaker 3: the show from like the.
Speaker 2: Pilot, I am so all in on Luke and Loreli.
Speaker 2: It's not even funny.
Speaker 3: So any diversion from that just feels so like frustrating
Speaker 3: to me. So like Rachel was immediately she's a lovely woman,
Speaker 3: wonderful actress.
Speaker 2: She doesn't but like the every little like pained look.
Speaker 3: On Laura's face like hurts me when she's when she's
Speaker 3: thinking about Rachel every time, Like you know, you say
Speaker 3: the sweet thing to Laura I, but it's but you're
Speaker 3: missing the connection. Like I Just'm like, but this is endgame,
Speaker 3: this has to be like so I so I love Rachel,
Speaker 3: great character, but I was just like, this is not
Speaker 3: didn't have.
Speaker 1: A chance she really yeah, but delightful actress, and she
Speaker 1: did a great job. She just did such a great
Speaker 1: job being a rival without trying to be a rival,
Speaker 1: just being herself. Really great performance. And you know, Rory
Speaker 1: a little paranoid. You think she thinks everybody's looking at her,
Speaker 1: she thinks everybody's away. I liked them as Patty scene.
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. And then she cops to it,
Speaker 1: yes we've heard, we just want to help out. And
Speaker 1: then Kirk's APOLOGI into Laura for not warning her about Dan.
Speaker 4: So funny and it really showed like how quick the
Speaker 4: gossip mill in Stars Hollow works because it's only been
Speaker 4: like eight hours and it was overnight. Like how does
Speaker 4: the whole town already know by them in.
Speaker 1: The next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of the most for me, the most
Speaker 3: charming parts of the show is just like whenever you
Speaker 3: get these like these little slices of small town, like
Speaker 3: how that that whole community works and the way I mean,
Speaker 3: in some ways, it's like it's overwhelming how much everybody
Speaker 3: knows about each other and how many fingers are in
Speaker 3: the pie. But like it's I just have always found
Speaker 3: that part of it so so charming and like it's
Speaker 3: almost like a little it's like a warm blanket that
Speaker 3: just like wraps you up in their combined love. So
Speaker 3: those moments I love them so much in the show, right, just.
Speaker 1: Another reason to love the show. Yeah, you think Laurel
Speaker 1: is feeling any jealousy toward Rachel because I can't I
Speaker 1: can't really read her. What do you think, Because Laurence,
Speaker 1: it's really great. It just sort of covering stuff up
Speaker 1: and letting it sort of come through the eyes a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, what do you think?
Speaker 4: I think there was some jealousy there. I think she
Speaker 4: was a little taken aback to see Rachel serving coffee
Speaker 4: and you know, when she was saying, you know, oh,
Speaker 4: we we had a late night, so I made him
Speaker 4: take some time on all PM or what you know,
Speaker 4: whatever she said, Laurela I was kind of like, hmm,
Speaker 4: so I kind of like that Rachel Luke Loreli dynamic,
Speaker 4: like that tension, and it's it's kind of fun to
Speaker 4: see Luke thrown off his axis a little bit, because
Speaker 4: Luke seems to be confused by it too. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I think Laurel I was there was some jealousy there.
Speaker 1: We've seen Luke on the receiving end of this, now
Speaker 1: now Laurel I is receiving it a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think the thing that's what's so interesting about it
Speaker 3: is like if it was almost like even like the
Speaker 3: jealousy part of it, sort of feeling it came from
Speaker 3: the fact that she was able to.
Speaker 2: Knock you out of your routine, like lu Luke is
Speaker 2: so Luke, and.
Speaker 3: The fact that she somehow managed to get you to
Speaker 3: sleep in a little bit is like WHOA. That's different
Speaker 3: than just like hooking up with the hot girl. That's
Speaker 3: like that's something else and comfortable.
Speaker 1: It's like being comfortable and settled almost. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: something unnerving about that for laurl I maybe all right,
Speaker 1: so the list, she comes home with a finished list.
Speaker 1: Babette comes over now here. Here we have a perfect example,
Speaker 1: yet again of Sally Strauser's stealing a scene, uh and
Speaker 1: just having one scene an episode and you just don't
Speaker 1: forget her. She's so memorable, she's so good, she's so funny.
Speaker 1: What if she was her dialers She said she got
Speaker 1: I got thrown out of.
Speaker 2: A moving car, pushed me into a moving car, wants
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: It was so funny, but you know, a terrible thing,
Speaker 1: but she just turns it into gold woman. So Rory
Speaker 1: overhears this conversation with Babbett. She any think it made
Speaker 1: her sad, made her angry? What how does Rory feel
Speaker 1: this moment? She goes back into her She goes back
Speaker 1: into her room, closed the door. She thinks maybe she
Speaker 1: wants a little more anonymity. She's this small town thing
Speaker 1: is really getting to her. Everybody knows my business, this
Speaker 1: even this embarrassing business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the I think she feels like the
Speaker 4: town doesn't really know what happened, right, And so she
Speaker 4: probably kind of feels like everybody's getting in her business
Speaker 4: and they're making assumptions that aren't necessarily true, and we're
Speaker 4: gonna we're gonna see this again with Jess. After the
Speaker 4: car accident, the whole town was blaming Jess, and she's like,
Speaker 4: it's not his fault, it's not his fault. So I
Speaker 4: think she kind of just feels like, you know, this
Speaker 4: is my thing, just.
Speaker 2: Let me deal with it.
Speaker 1: All these expressions of love and support, you know, from
Speaker 1: Luke with a fight and be Bet with a coming
Speaker 1: over to comfort. Everybody wants to comfort her, but it's like,
Speaker 1: leave me alone, right, And it's really again part of
Speaker 1: the charm of this small town. It's like she doesn't
Speaker 1: know how lucky she has it until she leaves that
Speaker 1: place and missus. Ever, that's why she's gonna miss everybody's
Speaker 1: because they care that much.
Speaker 3: So for second, it felt like the wheels might come off,
Speaker 3: Like when she lays on the bed, you like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe this is where she finally feels her feelings. And
Speaker 3: then you almost see You're like get a little mad
Speaker 3: at the fact that the wheels almost came off. And
Speaker 3: then makes that decision to leave that small.
Speaker 2: Town and go do the party.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought she did a really great Joba
Speaker 3: job of playing like there's like three or four like
Speaker 3: really kind of important things going on inside her that
Speaker 3: she was able to sort of get across without like
Speaker 3: much dialogue.
Speaker 2: And I think it was just.
Speaker 1: Then she finds the flyer for Madeline's party, and oh
Speaker 1: what what a party that will be. So she doesn't
Speaker 1: really want to she doesn't want to dwell on the breakup,
Speaker 1: and she kind of uses that party as a distraction.
Speaker 1: And wouldn't you say everyone in town, as we see,
Speaker 1: wants to comfort How would you handle this as a
Speaker 1: sixteen year old? How's a sixteen year old supposed to
Speaker 1: handle something like this?
Speaker 4: You know, I feel I would be self conscious, like
Speaker 4: if all these people were coming up to me, like
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want all that attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, her going to the party makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense, Like go someplace where you can like it's
Speaker 3: a good distraction. It's people that don't necessarily know all
Speaker 3: of your business. I totally get, like why that would
Speaker 3: be the go to thing to try to like get
Speaker 3: pack those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Soulaine comes over, they get ready for the party.
Speaker 1: LAURAAI gives Rory some money and a phone just because
Speaker 1: she needs it. And then Rory finds the corn starts
Speaker 1: Dean gave her to give the course. I found that
Speaker 1: very funny for some reason. And then Laura l I
Speaker 1: finds her box what was in her Max her own box, right,
Speaker 1: the Max box or she goes through the Max box
Speaker 1: all right, So she's thinking her thoughts. She's in the
Speaker 1: middle of this, uh, this this tornado of emotions from
Speaker 1: her daughter. And then she settles down and she realizes that, well,
Speaker 1: maybe she needs to get a life herself a little bit.
Speaker 1: She misses all the drama of life. I guess instead
Speaker 1: of tending to it, she wants to experience it. I
Speaker 1: like that Laane took Rory out to the party good
Speaker 1: good chaperone or good friend to be with her best friend.
Speaker 4: I don't know how they got missus Kim to be
Speaker 4: on board with that though, Right, how did Lane get
Speaker 4: out for the evening?
Speaker 2: Question?
Speaker 1: That's a very good question, because that's you know, it's
Speaker 1: like out after nine pm or ten or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Paris left at ten thirty. That was her, that
Speaker 1: was her witching hour. And they were still there.
Speaker 3: I thought there was a really cute sort of interaction
Speaker 3: in that, Like, normally, if you're going there with your
Speaker 3: friend and be supportive, the last thing you do is
Speaker 3: sort of like hook up with or like spend time
Speaker 3: with a boy, because that would be triggering. But she
Speaker 3: ends up like spending you know, doing all those dances
Speaker 3: and keeps going back. And I love that Rory wasn't
Speaker 3: like affected by that. She was just she was happy
Speaker 3: that somebody was there and she was out, and she
Speaker 3: was sort of happy for her friend having a good time,
Speaker 3: and I kind of I love the fact that that
Speaker 3: didn't evolve into like a pity party or a wedge
Speaker 3: between them. It just ended up being like this really
Speaker 3: fun way of going through it.
Speaker 4: She just pulls a book out of her bag and
Speaker 4: sits down to read.
Speaker 1: She was like, so we'll get into that in a
Speaker 1: little bit, but let's let's go to Suki's. Larela heads
Speaker 1: over to visit Suki in what was a bizarre and
Speaker 1: wonderful scene of perfectionism and control over your mate. He's
Speaker 1: Jackson's making her dinner, and she cannot contain herself as
Speaker 1: as the perfectionist chef that she is and Jackson kicks
Speaker 1: Suki out of the kitchen. What do we think of this?
Speaker 1: This was a true well, this is one of the
Speaker 1: funniest scenes. This is really trufic. What do we think
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 4: It was a little tense for me. I wasn't a
Speaker 4: huge fan of this scene Suki. I love Melissa McCarthy
Speaker 4: and I love Suki and Jackson as characters together. I
Speaker 4: just felt like she was a little all over the
Speaker 4: top on the controlling.
Speaker 1: Piece of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, she's so ocd about that stuff that, like,
Speaker 3: I like I sort of got where she was coming from.
Speaker 3: I actually had like a I don't I don't mind
Speaker 3: uncomfortable comedy. And I actually thought this scene was a
Speaker 3: really good example of like how Gilmore Girls is really
Speaker 3: like a comedy with like a ton of heart, but
Speaker 3: like it doesn't it's not afraid to get a little
Speaker 3: silly and and.
Speaker 2: Sort of push the boundaries a little bit.
Speaker 3: And I mean, for the like when when they're fighting
Speaker 3: and Jackson's yelling at her saying this is supposed to
Speaker 3: be romantic, she yells back, it is like there's just
Speaker 3: some I thought that was just so like I think
Speaker 3: two people have to really be in love for that
Speaker 3: to be funny, to be able to watch that and
Speaker 3: think that the exchange is funny. So I I thought
Speaker 3: it was a really charming and a very again sort
Speaker 3: of Gilmore Girls sort of scene.
Speaker 2: I know. I know what you mean about.
Speaker 3: It being like a little uncomfortable, because it's like it's
Speaker 3: a it's a pretty intense reaction of what's going on.
Speaker 3: But I for whatever reason that it's supposed to be romantic,
Speaker 3: it is like saved it for me in a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's so it's it's uncomfortable because
Speaker 1: it's real and it just happened. Yeah, I mean I've
Speaker 1: been in those situations. It's been in those situations. I know.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you get into like the silliest
Speaker 1: stuff with your with your better half, and that is I.
Speaker 3: Also THINKI does a great job of being like the
Speaker 3: barometer for the audience. She doesn't seem particularly concerned about
Speaker 3: the fight, so as an audience member, I wasn't concerned
Speaker 3: about the fight either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's she's sitting in the background eating The orders
Speaker 4: just are.
Speaker 1: Like fine, right, right, So she borrows Suki's car. Did
Speaker 1: you know exactly where she was going. I thought she
Speaker 1: was going to Christopher's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know either.
Speaker 1: I thought it was one of the two.
Speaker 4: I mean, I suppose I could have connected the dots
Speaker 4: because she goes, she gets the box down, and she's
Speaker 4: looking at that book, and then she needs to borrow
Speaker 4: Suki's car, Like I should have put the dots together
Speaker 4: the bed. Yeah, I didn't the first time I saw it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to recuse myself from analyzing this scene, so
Speaker 1: you too take it away. What do you think of
Speaker 1: the Max Medina scene.
Speaker 3: I love the monolog at the door, like, I think
Speaker 3: that that's so classical Lorelai, just the stream of conscious
Speaker 3: and I love how like so much of that was related.
Speaker 3: My daughter's going through this thing, she's feeling this thing.
Speaker 3: She won't acknowledge it. I realized I cannot give her
Speaker 3: proper advice because I went through this thing and I
Speaker 3: did not process it.
Speaker 2: And now I need to. I need to do the.
Speaker 3: Big girl thing and figure out my feelings, partially so
Speaker 3: I can be a better mom. But also she's probably
Speaker 3: a little like ready to go in the moment. But
Speaker 3: but you know, I just I love the way that
Speaker 3: that whole sequence started. That monologue is so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And I mean I think in retrospect,
Speaker 4: you know, they end up in bed together and she's like, well,
Speaker 4: I didn't know that was gonna happen. I think she did, though,
Speaker 4: because she specifically she had to go, like she went
Speaker 4: and borrowed Suki's car to do this, Like she couldn't
Speaker 4: have waited until the next day if it was just
Speaker 4: going to be a conversation. I don't know, but I
Speaker 4: agree that the monologue was funny. It was just the
Speaker 4: two of them together I thought were funny with the
Speaker 4: table and he's putting the table in between them like
Speaker 4: it was. I thought it was.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a funny scene.
Speaker 1: Question, is Laurla exhibiting post break gup energy or you
Speaker 1: think she actually misses him?
Speaker 2: See, I don't know for sure.
Speaker 3: If it wasn't seeing Luke with Rachel, that is ultimately
Speaker 3: like messed her up. Like if if he's doing that
Speaker 3: and he's got Rachel and he had a late night,
Speaker 3: you know, and I have these weird, unresolved feelings and
Speaker 3: I may I don't know, Like I feel like there's
Speaker 3: a lot there's a lot going on there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like she probably thought that they still
Speaker 4: had something because when they when they left it off,
Speaker 4: they were at that coffee shop and they were basically like,
Speaker 4: you know, let's just give it a break and see
Speaker 4: what happens. Like they didn't definitively break up, you know,
Speaker 4: not to get too far into friends.
Speaker 2: We were on a break.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like the the door was basically still open,
Speaker 4: so she may have been like trying to test the
Speaker 4: waters and kind of you know, see how he felt
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: Do you guys feel that the energy between them, the
Speaker 1: chemistry between them, makes the likelihood of them ending up
Speaker 1: in bed together somewhat inevitable or do you feel it
Speaker 1: was forced?
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing is is like once they start
Speaker 3: going after it, you know what I mean, like before
Speaker 3: they stop and put the table between them, I mean,
Speaker 3: it feels like this was always going to happen, like
Speaker 3: that there is some like chemistry there and there is
Speaker 3: like a need on both of their parts to like
Speaker 3: have this happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like there was like in that moment, the chemistry
Speaker 3: was a little inevitable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you think it was?
Speaker 1: In?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean It was just
Speaker 4: a few episodes ago that we saw Lorelei and Christopher
Speaker 4: on the balcony, like, so clearly, once that ball starts
Speaker 4: rolling down that hill, well it's just picking up speed.
Speaker 4: So you know, Laurlay is not the type that she's
Speaker 4: gonna pump the brakes and be like, wait, you know,
Speaker 4: let's not do this. So I think it it was.
Speaker 4: I think it was definitely heading in that direct.
Speaker 1: Laurela I says she didn't give the idea of being
Speaker 1: together with Max much thought, she contradicting her own advice
Speaker 1: that she gave to Rory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you.
Speaker 1: Believe laurel And when she says that she didn't think
Speaker 1: about him at all because she didn't want to get
Speaker 1: stirred up, what you're buying that, Well, it kind.
Speaker 4: Of goes back to everybody handles a breakup in their
Speaker 4: own way, Like Laurelai's way of handling that clearly was
Speaker 4: just to suppress it and not deal with it, which
Speaker 4: was working okay for her until then Rory kind of
Speaker 4: threw it back back in her face. It was like, well,
Speaker 4: how long did it take you to get over Max?
Speaker 4: And that's when she had to realize, well, wait, I
Speaker 4: never really did get over him, So I mean it
Speaker 4: just that's just how she, yeah handled it.
Speaker 3: And I also feel like she's she has enough stuff
Speaker 3: going on in her life, whether it's like with work
Speaker 3: or she's so attentive and so focused on Rory that
Speaker 3: like I could see her potentially compartmentalizing that and like
Speaker 3: pushing it aside and like do just doing the other thing,
Speaker 3: you know, dealing with her mom, dealing with her daughter,
Speaker 3: dealing with work, and like and for for a certain
Speaker 3: amount of time, being successful at like pushing it away.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I think I think if anything was
Speaker 3: going to break through that it would be Rory's distress,
Speaker 3: which you know, would trigger her having to deal without herself.
Speaker 2: What do you think do you think that she she's
Speaker 2: sort of fooling herself a little bit, Scott.
Speaker 1: I've recrused. I've recused myself in this conversation. I cannot
Speaker 1: be a proper jurist by offering an opinion. Uh, okay,
Speaker 1: let's get to the party. This was fun. I love
Speaker 1: this party scene, great party, seeing, great house. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: altogether fun. Fun fun. So Rory Lane start gushing over
Speaker 1: how big Madeline's house is. We find out, it's the stepfather.
Speaker 1: He's in Japan. Matdeal. Glenn and Louise present themselves and
Speaker 1: wonder where Dean is. Paris is left with Rory and Lane.
Speaker 1: Lane meets Paris for the first time. What do we
Speaker 1: think of that?
Speaker 2: So funny? She's just so curmudgeony. It's just so funny
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lane held her all though she wasn't intimidated by these.
Speaker 1: No, she was not. Well, She's got to deal with it.
Speaker 1: It's Paris chopped deliver. It's like, you know, she's she's
Speaker 1: got the A player Paris. Paris is the C list
Speaker 1: compared to her mother. Tristan gets into an argument with
Speaker 1: his girlfriend Summer. What do we what do we think
Speaker 1: about these scenes?
Speaker 2: That's the one I think.
Speaker 3: I think the I think the Summer stuff is like,
Speaker 3: it's a little tough for me. She's like after the
Speaker 3: previous episode, like where they're making out so like frantically
Speaker 3: at the lockers, for her to be so like directly
Speaker 3: callously mean to him in front of people, I had
Speaker 3: a hard time like figuring out like where that was
Speaker 3: coming from. Even if she was like getting tired of
Speaker 3: the all your my girlfriend's stuff, and if he was
Speaker 3: a little controlling or whatever. It just it was so
Speaker 3: aggressive from the beginning. I was a little like I
Speaker 3: was a little thrown off by by the dynamic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I was like, kind of wait,
Speaker 4: where is this coming from all of a sudden, Like why, Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's just like it kind of attacks him, and he's
Speaker 1: so shocked by it. He doesn't really know how to
Speaker 1: respond other than sort of whining, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a dude that's usually so self assured, it
Speaker 3: was kind of an unusual reaction to harsher than I
Speaker 3: would have expected treatment.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wanted to know more as to want Hey,
Speaker 1: this was happening, but he was I don't know, she
Speaker 1: was dancing with another guy or something like that.
Speaker 2: Was she like locked in a room with somebody for.
Speaker 1: Right rights?
Speaker 3: Like of course he's going to be frustrated, like want
Speaker 3: some more information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was back on his heels. He didn't know
Speaker 1: how to deal with that, and he certainly, uh did
Speaker 1: not make a good showing in front of the entire party.
Speaker 1: And then a boy asked Lane to dance. Lane likes
Speaker 1: him and he's Korean and he's going to be a doctor,
Speaker 1: and he's cool and you know, it's how to dance.
Speaker 1: It's like, what the heck is going on?
Speaker 4: The perfect guy for her and it completely freaks her.
Speaker 1: Out and it can't so it can't work.
Speaker 3: It's so so funny because I I, uh, like, my
Speaker 3: my wife has like a funny relationship with her mom
Speaker 3: where sometimes like like you just have to be sort
Speaker 3: of contrary just because and so the idea that Lane's
Speaker 3: mom would have liked it was is like the deal
Speaker 3: breaker for her is just it's funny dynamic with daughters
Speaker 3: and their moms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there wasn't a great scene Lane enjoying herself and
Speaker 1: liking somebody, and it was so refreshing. Yes, she's always
Speaker 1: so thwarted and frustrated.
Speaker 4: It it was nice to see her getting something that
Speaker 4: she wanted.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, it really was. And then we get to
Speaker 1: the point where Rory Paris has to leave, right, but
Speaker 1: parents just biding her time. They do the whole French thing,
Speaker 1: the French water, the Frenches, very funny, and Rory sits
Speaker 1: down in a back room, a side room and starts
Speaker 1: reading her book. Uh and then lo and behold here
Speaker 1: come you know the you know, the two little Einstein's
Speaker 1: coming in to the to the room and breaking up,
Speaker 1: and uh, Tristan is publicly shamed and embarrassed, and he
Speaker 1: notices Rory but scampers out to seek refuge with one
Speaker 1: of the best grand pianos I've ever seen. Wasn't that
Speaker 1: a gorgeous piano?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The wood on that to finish on that, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the only thing I could look at during the scene,
Speaker 1: is like, I just wanted everybody to get out of
Speaker 1: the way of the piano. Stop talking, let me see this.
Speaker 1: So Rory goes into the room and you know, they
Speaker 1: start talking about they start talking about the breakup. What
Speaker 1: you guys think of this?
Speaker 2: I thought it was cool. It was it was interesting.
Speaker 3: I I think the one of the nicest grounded moments
Speaker 3: was you know after you know, Tristan's sort of a
Speaker 3: jerk in the beginning, like what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to talk about stuff. But when he
Speaker 3: apologized is for being sort of so mean to her whatever,
Speaker 3: it didn't feel false or forced or it just felt
Speaker 3: like a I understood how the kiss could happen after that,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like they actually seem to
Speaker 3: connect a bit and like and like genuinely feel like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're the person who just broke up with you as
Speaker 3: an idiot. Like none of that felt like contrived to me.
Speaker 3: It felt like you two people hurting, there's some common ground.
Speaker 3: He apologizes for something and they have a moment.
Speaker 2: Like it worked for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I'm semi on board with that. I agree.
Speaker 4: It was like two people that both had, you know,
Speaker 4: were experiencing a cute pain and they kind of turned
Speaker 4: to each other. I could totally see how that kiss happened.
Speaker 4: But to me, Tristan is such a dirt bag that
Speaker 4: I don't feel sorry for him at all, Like I
Speaker 4: have zero sympathy for him, and so when he's trying
Speaker 4: to you know, when he apologies, it seems like it
Speaker 4: was nice. But then when we see, knowing what happens
Speaker 4: in the next episode, like he doesn't like a leopard,
Speaker 4: doesn't change his spots, so he goes back to, you know,
Speaker 4: being his dirt bag self. So I can, like, I
Speaker 4: totally get how the kids happened, but I just wish
Speaker 4: she had not been so nice to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about why Rory is
Speaker 5: talking to Tristan so closely about her breakup.
Speaker 1: And that she actually seems to be relating to Tristan
Speaker 1: or is she just lost? What do you think? I
Speaker 1: know we've talked about it a little bit, but do
Speaker 1: you think that she's just so lost that she's stucked
Speaker 1: into this this vortex, this Tristan vortex? Because you know,
Speaker 1: you're right, he's he's abominable, right, He's just hard to
Speaker 1: hard to like?
Speaker 3: Is there something This is a stupid middle aged dude
Speaker 3: making it, making a guess about a teenage girl, But
Speaker 3: isn't there something too, Like when you're you go through
Speaker 3: a breakup or something like that, and you you can't
Speaker 3: help but be drawn to the bad boy, the guy
Speaker 3: that's like, the guy that's a problem, the guy that,
Speaker 3: like your mom wouldn't approved it. Not that she was
Speaker 3: like looking to to hurt her mom, orny that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff, but just like you kind of do these
Speaker 3: self destructive things sometimes, especially if you're not processing your
Speaker 3: feelings right. So, so the idea of like there's this
Speaker 3: guy who's really good looking, he might be a we
Speaker 3: seem to be connecting. I'll snatch a kiss off this dude,
Speaker 3: Like I don't I don't know if there's some some
Speaker 3: self medicating that she thought.
Speaker 2: She would do.
Speaker 3: And then but that's the thing that unlocked the Oh
Speaker 3: my god, I'm broken and I need to go feel
Speaker 3: my feelings now, you know.
Speaker 2: But again, middle aged, middle aged dude taking a while.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's good, that's a good analogy. She probably
Speaker 1: felt like she's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Speaker 1: Now what is she doing? Wow? Yeah, you know, I've
Speaker 1: just I've just ended something that was genuine, that was
Speaker 1: truly loving and supportive, you know, And now here I
Speaker 1: am with this dipstick, you know.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I think self medicating is a good way
Speaker 4: to put it. It's like she figures at this point
Speaker 4: like she's got nothing else to she's got nothing to lose, like,
Speaker 4: you know, why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, now we're home and this I remember
Speaker 1: this scene. I knew how this was going to end
Speaker 1: because it was such a perfect ending and it had
Speaker 1: to go here and it is heartbreaking. And she comes
Speaker 1: home and sees Laura Rory eating ice cream and she's
Speaker 1: ready to wallow. Rory cries on the couch, Laura Leo
Speaker 1: orders the pizza. I mean they're boom boom boom. So
Speaker 1: we love these two really, at least see them they
Speaker 1: really got each other's back. So what do you think
Speaker 1: of this thing? Guys?
Speaker 4: It was the classic mother daughter like it always comes
Speaker 4: full circle, you know, back to the two of them.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a great ending and Laura La
Speaker 4: I knew exactly what she needed as soon as as
Speaker 4: soon as she saw her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was I thought it was perfect. I really did.
Speaker 3: And again even as like a you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 3: I've been divorced, I'm happily remarried. All that is good,
Speaker 3: but like it just immediately like hits you with the
Speaker 3: feels like you just remember what that felt like when
Speaker 3: something that you cared so much about was taken away,
Speaker 3: and then once you were finally ready to like feel it,
Speaker 3: like it just it hits you so hard and then
Speaker 3: there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 2: You just have to wollow. Like eventually you just have
Speaker 2: to get to the point where you have the cry.
Speaker 2: If you've got somebody there there to hold you, you
Speaker 2: know that's better. You know that's perfect.
Speaker 3: But but I just I just thought it was like
Speaker 3: the perfect ending for these two episodes to wrap up
Speaker 3: this way.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was perfect all right overall, let's uh one to ten,
Speaker 1: what do you what are you giving.
Speaker 4: It, Susan, I'm gonna give the it is an eight
Speaker 4: point seventy five.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good eight point seven five?
Speaker 4: What oh eight point seventy five? Books in Rory's book?
Speaker 1: Bang, Jason, what do you think?
Speaker 3: I would give it a solid nine? This this the
Speaker 3: episode works for me for a jillion reasons. The only
Speaker 3: reason I wouldn't give it a perfect tennis because, like
Speaker 3: I said, I'm so invested in in Luke and Lorelai
Speaker 3: that like, I don't want to see I don't want
Speaker 3: to see Luke with Rachel, and I don't want to
Speaker 3: see Lorlai with Max. And also the breakup being a
Speaker 3: little odd for me with Tristan and Summer at the party.
Speaker 3: But other than that, it is I think it's just
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful episode.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree. It was uh not as full of
Speaker 1: laughs as a normal episode is because there was so
Speaker 1: much high school drama and adult drama. But it was
Speaker 1: really well thought out, well written, very entertaining episode. It moved,
Speaker 1: it really moved, and that party scene was just great,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. I think I'm gonna get I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: it up there. I think about an eight seven eight
Speaker 1: seven five. I'm right there. I'm up there with you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it eight point seventy five French waters
Speaker 1: in strange looking bottles.
Speaker 2: I would give it. I would give it nine perfect
Speaker 2: cups of coffee at loose.
Speaker 1: Okay, nice, All right, Jason, it's been really great catching
Speaker 1: up with you. Please come back. We appreciate your time
Speaker 1: and your insights to Saint France. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: I missed the old crew, Like you have no idea.
Speaker 1: I love what I'm doing now, but you guys are
Speaker 1: out there having so much fun. You're like superstar. You're
Speaker 1: all superstars now. Anyway, I just wanted to let everybody
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