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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can hear the sound of that. That's

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Speaker 2: nothing but our and mail musk coming at you full

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Speaker 2: time here Friday, March tenth, twenty twenty three. It's a

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Speaker 2: show that wins a lot of awards. It's called Morning Combat,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by CBS Sports and Showtime Digital. My

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Speaker 2: name is Brian Campbell. I am one half of this

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Speaker 2: artistically successful duo, and boy do we have a great

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Speaker 2: weekend of fights to get you all fired up for

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Speaker 2: back at It live and back at it with my

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Speaker 2: partner in crime, the best damn fight analyst in the

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Speaker 2: game today. No asterisk necessary, It's Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Hib See how are you? Yep?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, well, how am i? Luca? I

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Speaker 2: mean this isn't Halloween, but you know I do. I

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Speaker 2: do resemble Rocky Balboa arriving in Moscow right now. You

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Speaker 2: know from both my spirit and the particular efforts of

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Speaker 2: this Rocky four inspired outfit that I put together and.

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Speaker 1: Much like Drago, I view you as if he dies,

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Speaker 2: Well, no, that was Rocky four. That was Drago who

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Speaker 1: But I only know was he talking about creedor was

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Speaker 2: He was I'm sorry, you're right he was talking about Creed.

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Speaker 2: When you mentioned the word Creed, I thought you meant

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Speaker 2: the movie or the Creed two, which I've yet to see.

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Speaker 2: But Luke, I'm through five on the father son journey

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Speaker 2: seeing Creed three and Imax three D and Rocky five. Unfortunately, Luke,

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Speaker 2: it was way worse than I remembered. Like, I tried

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Speaker 2: to retain some level of like, no, it's still kind

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Speaker 2: my kids, though, they're like, wasn't as bad as Rocky one? Though? Dad? Okay, kids,

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Speaker 3: Well, the.

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Speaker 2: No, no, But if you put a bottle of Fago

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Speaker 2: in front of this family. Luke, it's very likely that

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Speaker 2: We're back at it here. We took Wednesday off as

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Speaker 2: things drivot to take Davis Ryan Garcia the two day

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Speaker 2: press tour coast to coast will be reacting to that.

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Speaker 2: Today we'll be setting the stage for a damn good

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Speaker 2: bandam weight title till a top UFC fight night that's Saturday.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget about tonight though only on Showtime. Bellatoor

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Speaker 2: two ninety two, the kickoff of the Lightweight World Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: Some good match making up and down there that we

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Speaker 2: watch Bellotour or Saturday Showtime Boxing International telecast as Tim

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Speaker 2: dot com. Now get your thirty three days. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: getting from Caleb Plant and David Benavitez debuting tonight on

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Speaker 2: Showtime and April first, when Tank Davis Ryan Garcia all

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Speaker 2: am I right? Or am I right?

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. And also I'm just trying to think,

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Speaker 2: I'm right there with you. This is going to be

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Speaker 2: Interesting moment, Luke in the in the in the history

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Speaker 2: Enjoyed it, Luke, you look dapper in that MK polo

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Speaker 2: your community. But if that's the direction you're going, Luke,

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Speaker 2: Both are true, Luke. I also wanted to remind the

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Speaker 2: great people here that if you're going to YouTube dot

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Speaker 2: your plate will be runneth over Luke, this Room Service

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Speaker 2: Diary's expansion into the UK that we did. There were

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Speaker 2: he did some shit. Luke, that's a that's a man

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Speaker 2: who shags, okay, and he's a hilarious book. I did

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Speaker 2: question if we needed subtitles. Where do you stand on

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Speaker 1: No, because I was able to get most things after

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Thank you very much. Paul Craig, he does

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Speaker 1: Uh. Well, the better way to put it is we

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Speaker 1: could hang with him, right, isn't that the way you

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Speaker 1: should say it? That's true? That's true?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right. Uh, Mike Perry's story is galore.

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Speaker 2: So check out that little piece of business right there. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, you also know that it's March right now,

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Speaker 2: and that means something, especially in CBS Sportsland. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about March Madness, and we're talking about a bracket challenge.

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Speaker 2: the great CBS Sports HQ personalities. Luke, we might we

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think CBS wants to make

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Speaker 1: the podcast like this. I'll say, sign up and enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I wish, I wish you could have signed

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Speaker 2: what do they call those deals, Luke nil deals?

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Speaker 1: Oh for like the college kids who are like athletes

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Speaker 2: Were you on officially the college debate team or math

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Speaker 2: Well. I came in my hometown more from the Burr

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Black fraternities, they roll deep and

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Speaker 2: Shout out to the other BC and quickly, Luke. When

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Speaker 2: trailer Friday, April seventh on Showtime streaming platforms, and then

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Speaker 2: April ninth. This new documentary Catching Lightning from Pat kendelis

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Speaker 2: the director Luc who we saw before he directed Outcry,

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Speaker 2: The Hector Camacho Beny docs. A lot of us have seen. Dude,

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Speaker 2: this is the story of Lightning Lee Murray and you've

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Speaker 2: mentioned this in the past. Here's what I knew about Lightning,

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Speaker 2: Lee Murray, Robbery Jail Faud Anderson Silva had heavy hands

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Speaker 2: in this four part series of which I'm halfway through

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Speaker 2: documentary cinema. And the more I find out these detailed stories,

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Speaker 2: Tito or Tess story, all that stuff from Lee Murray

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Speaker 2: at that level of detail, Holy freaking crap, Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yet it's great. In fact, one of the Showtime staff

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Speaker 2: There's eight guys in this tournament. Obib, who's taking some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the former WEC and UFC champion Henderson, as we

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Speaker 1: So, Luke, did you think that's a little crazy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, short of Numerka Madoff getting injured. I I don't know. Uh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a huge

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Speaker 2: He does a lot of things in his young life

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Speaker 2: Benson Henderson and you kind of outlined what Usmann brings

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Speaker 5: He showcased in the last fight against Pitbull that he

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Speaker 5: Hey, you know my last name, I can't wrestle.

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Speaker 2: And just yet, fair points, fair points here, Luka. This

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Speaker 2: don't want to be lost on the idea that you know,

431
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Speaker 2: Benson's history UFC champion, WEC champion has not gone away

432
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,239
Speaker 2: here at Bellator. It'd be a feel good moment if

433
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: he pulls this upset. He's the new champion and he's

434
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: got a leg up on the competition here, headed toward

435
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: a million bucks. How would you feel You've been covering

436
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 2: this game as long as Benson's been fighting, you know,

437
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: more or less? How would that make you feel? Do

438
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 2: you do? You have a lot of nostalgic historic respect

439
00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: for who Benson Henderson is.

440
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Speaker 1: I mean, he made his pro debut in two thousand

441
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: and six. I've been running about a pre that, so yeah,

442
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: a long time, dude. This would be his best win

443
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: since I'm trying to look here. Jorge Masvidal in twenty fifteen,

444
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: he beat Jorge Mavedalvi. He a split decision in Korea.

445
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: If you remember that it was like an overnight fight

446
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: at the UCL Yeah, back then, I mean it would

447
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: be it would be that level and probably better. Quite honestly,

448
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a fight that Nemergat made up basically,

449
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: should not lose for Benson Henderson at thirty nine to

450
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: become because right the belts on the line, right, So

451
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: at thirty nine to become the beltor lightweight champion when

452
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Speaker 1: he made his move to the organization at this point,

453
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 1: what four or five longer than that, when did he

454
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Speaker 1: make his move to fight Koreshkov? So that was all

455
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Speaker 1: the way back in Sorry I'm looking here, that was

456
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Speaker 1: all the way back in twenty sixteen. You know, this

457
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: would be his best wins again since the Masdal fight.

458
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Speaker 1: I mean, just it's just to do something that probable

459
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: in a weight class this deep, and everyone's like, oh, uf,

460
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: he's got a better weight class in at one fifty

461
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: five than Beltore. Maybe they do, that's probably true, But dude,

462
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: Luspa number Gomedov could very much swim with the sharks

463
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: over there. Certainly, we think he could to go and

464
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: take all that momentum away to by the way to

465
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Speaker 1: make him no longer undefeated. It just doesn't happen for

466
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Speaker 1: guys like this at this stage of their career. He

467
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Speaker 1: would totally be breaking the mold of what you understand

468
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Speaker 1: older fighters in the latter weight classes are even capable of,

469
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Speaker 1: and it would really make good on his promise as

470
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Speaker 1: a big free agent signing when he left UFC to

471
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Speaker 1: go to Beltore. Now late, but certainly better late than never.

472
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: Remember his his run in Beltore started off very inauspiciously.

473
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: Remember this. He loses to Right, He loses to Kureshkov.

474
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: He has the win over pit Bull, but that was

475
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Speaker 1: from an injury. That Pitpole was winning that fight. I

476
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: hope everyone remembers that pit Bull was winning that fight.

477
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: Then gets injured, then loses to Chandler, then loses to Petricky,

478
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Speaker 1: doesn't get a win against Roger Quert and sad to what,

479
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: I had left him on the side of the road

480
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: for dead at that point, but he has found another gear.

481
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: To be fair. The losses to Chandler and Patriarchy that

482
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 2: were successive there in twenty sixteen and seventeen were both

483
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: by split decision, and obviously the Chandler one was for

484
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: the title. The rematch did not go his way, but

485
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: you know, he stepped down a level multiple times and

486
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: put together win streaks. That four fight win streak immediately

487
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Speaker 2: after the Patriki won leading into the Chandler rematch, and

488
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: now this two fight win streak. It's been a while

489
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Speaker 2: since he's kind of really been fully at this level,

490
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 2: but on a nice run here and to close, Shaq

491
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Speaker 2: Mma asked him ultimately, you know you fought for titles,

492
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 2: then you're fighting for titles again. Now what's that difference?

493
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: Feel like, let's hear from old Benny fighting for the

494
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: belt now before fighting for the belt before.

495
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Speaker 5: Just a realization of how few opportunities you get. Feel't

496
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 5: realize how few opportunities fighting for for the title, Like

497
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 5: maybe it was just me. Some guys would go the

498
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 5: whole career. They were rather fighting for title for me,

499
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Speaker 5: Like I was twenty four o my first world title,

500
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: so I was like, oh, yeah, is it's gonna happen?

501
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 5: So I'm always pack the title and I you know,

502
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 5: I pretty much have you know, maintained a high level

503
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 5: of a six scare, but getting that belt shappter on

504
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 5: your waist. It's been a long time and and I

505
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 5: forget that. So for me, it's just uh being able

506
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 5: to actually stop and smell the roses, enjoy the process

507
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 5: along the way, not just say oh yeah, have another

508
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Speaker 5: belt and just kind of gloss over it.

509
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Speaker 2: Now, Look, any truth to the rumor that to honor

510
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: Benson Henderson in this title fight tonight, you are doing

511
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Speaker 2: this entire podcast with a toothpick hidden in your mouth.

512
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Speaker 1: No, no, I've all I always hated it when he

513
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Speaker 1: did that.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah he did, all right, Uh luke, we know the

515
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: odds against him. We'll see what happens tonight. But the

516
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Speaker 2: comin event also a quarter final matchup in this same

517
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Speaker 2: tournament for a million dollars tofik Musayev will enter as

518
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: a small underdog plus one four five against Alexander And

519
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Speaker 2: tell me if I got this wrong. Should be a leee.

520
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Speaker 1: So I think it's pronounce shabbie almost like uh, like

521
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: the cheap wine that doesn't really exist by that name,

522
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: but Bun's farm.

523
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to drink that too, Shabilee minus one seventy. Look,

524
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Speaker 2: this matchup won't have the same name value in this

525
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: tournament as the main event or even you know, aj

526
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 2: McKee and what have you. But this is a close

527
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: fight odds wise, what should we be looking out for

528
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Speaker 2: styles wise when these two touch globs?

529
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a very very very close fight. Mike,

530
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Speaker 1: you I think we've got some footage to this. If

531
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: you want to roll out, I can talk people through

532
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're gonna try and add a little

533
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: bit more analytical work to these Friday shows if at

534
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: all possible. But basically what you're looking at here is

535
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Speaker 1: Shabie is a phenomenal striker. He can fight out of

536
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: both stances very well. Let's see if we've got some

537
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: which you could see here. Pay attention. He's gonna slip

538
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: off right hand, comes behind it, and then he slides

539
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: back and lands the left hook and then drops Brent

540
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: Premise doesn't even have his feet under him when he

541
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: throws the left hook, but because the timing on it

542
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: is so good, look him slip counter still too close,

543
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: so he slides back and then the left hook is

544
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: there perfectly. He's got really really good accuracy, really good timing,

545
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: very good at catching kicks, tripping guys out off the

546
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: post leg and then taking pay attention here, he's gonna

547
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: follows here you go, I want to walk you through

548
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: it one more time because it happens so quickly. Pay attention.

549
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: In the first series of footage that we saw there

550
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: he was left handed. This one he's right handed, so

551
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: you could see he's very capable and without being able

552
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: to slow it down and really show you the second one,

553
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: what I want you to pay attention to is just

554
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: a short Pay attention. Here we go just right there,

555
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: there's a short right hand. You can't even hardly see

556
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: it when you slow it down in real time. It's

557
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: just he sees the opening, he slides over to create

558
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: the angle, and then it's a short, short, little punch

559
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: is all he needs and it sits Brett Primise down there.

560
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: So just from that little clip you can see right handed,

561
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: left handed, very potent, excellent finisher, good accuracy, very good boxing, aggressive,

562
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Speaker 1: great takedown defense. I would say great takedowns, unusual takedowns

563
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: at times. He is a handful, very well rounded fighter

564
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: and a devastating puncher and finisher at the same time.

565
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: Twenty nine years old from Russia, seven fight win Streak

566
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: has won all three of his Bellotour fights, and you

567
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: mentioned Brett primis the former champion. He's a late injury

568
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: replacement also in this tournament. Do you remember who he

569
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: replaced Luca's it's not catching me on the top of

570
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: the dome.

571
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly. Oh no, was it the guy

572
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: who popped for like seven to Sydney Outlaw?

573
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 6: Ye?

574
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.

575
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Speaker 1: Well look Massiah very quickly, I think we have some

576
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Speaker 1: I think we have some footage on Massiah.

577
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: I was a going to tell you quickly that Messiah

578
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: the thirty three year old from ozer Baijean Luke. He

579
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: had a fifteen fight win streak, recently stopped and risen

580
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: when he lost to Roberto Desuza, but made the Belotour

581
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: debut right after that and defeated Sydney Outlaw by first

582
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: round knockout in twenty seven seconds.

583
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Speaker 1: Brother, yeah, you just saw you just thought there roll

584
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: one more time if you can. There, Mikey, pay attention.

585
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: What do you notice from this one? Is well again,

586
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: head off the center line comes over the top of

587
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: the jab and there's the same left hook as he

588
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: backs up without having his feet under him. I cannot

589
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: overstate this. So many guys in MMA, including good fighters,

590
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: they drop their level or they change this to the

591
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: side and then they just come right back where they are.

592
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: So if you finish off with the hook at the

593
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: end of the combinations, it works really well even if

594
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: you're not rooted to the ground in the way that

595
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: Mussia is. Fast hands, electric striker himself good wrestling obviously

596
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: came up short against Satoshi, but these guys have slightly

597
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: different tendencies. They're not the same fighter, but they're good

598
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: at a lot of the same things in BC. I

599
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you read the odds or not, but

600
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: to me, dodds are reflective of how close this one is.

601
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: Arguably one of the best fights of the weekend. This

602
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: one should be fun.

603
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: And that tail end of that fifteen fight win streak

604
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: across you know, Japan and various parts of the world

605
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: for Musaiah did include decision went over over Patricky Pitbull

606
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: in the Lightweight Grand Prix and risen and knockout of

607
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: Johnny case A, decision went over Darren Krookshank's eating some

608
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: guys look that we certainly know well and had developed

609
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: a big name here. This is a very good quarterfinal matchup.

610
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: And you know, in any kind of belot or tournament

611
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: or any MMA tournament in general. You love that mix

612
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: of you know, aging names, we know, champions, ranked guys

613
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: of the moment and sometimes young guys on the way

614
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: up or late arriving guys. I mean, look, who could

615
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: who could forget dav leed Zon young Shimuradov's arrival in

616
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: the Bellator Light Heavyweight Grand Prix last you know, year

617
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: and a half ago.

618
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: Right, he's he's on the car tonight.

619
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Speaker 2: I know he makesed fun fights. I love that dude.

620
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna get into picks more on okay, bet, but look,

621
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: this matchup seems like a flip flip the flip the

622
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: coin it does. Both guys are gonna come in hungry

623
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: with a chance to win this.

624
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is very much up for grabs either

625
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: Neither guy has a dramatic you know, It's not like

626
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: Usman and Benson where it's like, jeez, don't even know

627
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: what Benson could do. There's a lot either guy could

628
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: do here, fun fun fight.

629
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Speaker 2: Running out this main card. I like this main card. Tonight,

630
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: Belatoor two ninety two on Showtime. Valentine Moldowski, your former

631
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: interim heavyweight title holder, taking on Linton Vasel, who we

632
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: of course remember as a light heavyweight contender, but now

633
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: at thirty nine, Luke, the reinvention to heavyweight has seen

634
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: him go four and oh since his loss in his

635
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: heavyweight debut, which just happened to be against Valentine Moldowski

636
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. So Vissel has kind of quietly turned

637
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: the corner and made a nice run and now he's

638
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: got to run it right back against the last guy

639
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: to beat him. And for Moldowski, thirty one years old,

640
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: lost the unification fight to Ryan Bader in early twenty

641
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: twenty two, then had that weird no contest with Steve

642
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: Mowory due to the ipoke. Luke, I like the stakes

643
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: here within this division, Belator heavyweight division not overly deep.

644
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: You can put together a couple wins, you can get

645
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: right back into here. Muldowski has to be the favorite

646
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: skill for skill, and I think the odds ultimately reflect

647
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: that when it's a minus three forty five in his

648
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: favor plus two eighty five for Vassel. But don't sleep

649
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: on Linton. He jacked up on muscles, he can wrestle,

650
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: he can take a shot. Luke, He's been a nice

651
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: revelation in this heavyweight division of late.

652
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a big light heavyweight who I think

653
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 1: was a little bit too slow and a little bit

654
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: too hittable at two o five, But at heavyweight, his

655
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: transition in terms of being strong enough for it, was

656
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: very easily done. It was not a hard thing for

657
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: him to do. And because the guys are a little

658
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: bit slower, I think he's got, you know, a lot

659
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: better of a chance. Good at takedowns, good at finding

660
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: the back, good at ground and pound from the back.

661
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: And he's got a couple of things, Mike, if you

662
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: can roll the clips for Litton vassel, there's something I

663
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: want to show you. I don't if we're gonna be

664
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: able to slow it down. He does something called summa gaishi.

665
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: Watch he's gonna get taken down here. Pay attention to

666
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: the left leg right there. It's hard to see. It's

667
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: very hard to see. He uses his left leg right there,

668
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: and it's called a suma Gishey. This is exactly the

669
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: same thing that Volkanovsky did to Islam Makachev to win

670
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: in a scramble. He uses his left leg on an

671
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: inside hook here right there, just to shuck him off

672
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: to the side and then comes up on top. That's

673
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: hard to do. That's all timing. It's just enough to

674
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: create separation so he can rotate and come on top.

675
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: He's crafty like that. At light heavyweight against guys like

676
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Phil Davis, that's not enough, But at heavyweight I think

677
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: it's been pretty good for him. Now, Maldowski's very tough

678
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: and is not going to be so easily rolled over

679
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: like that. However, I think Linda to Sell at this

680
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: stage in his career is a good fit for heavyweight,

681
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: and he's he's a little bit overmatched here, but this

682
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: is still, in my mind, a little bit more winnable

683
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: than I think the oddsmund indicate.

684
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: Well, Look, he lost twenty nine, twenty seven and all

685
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: three scorecards when they fought three and a half years ago.

686
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: That was his heavyweight debut. It was fresh off of

687
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: getting stopped by Ryan Bader in their title at light heavyweight,

688
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: and then that head kick lost to Phil Davis. Then

689
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: he loses to Moldowski. So at that point, look, I mean,

690
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: you know, we kind of wrote him off. But what

691
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: he's done in the four fights at heavyweight since, look

692
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: knocked out Sergei Karatanov, knocked out Hani Markx, knocked out

693
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: Timothy Johnson, who we've seen fight for the belt multiple

694
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: times and has that split decision went over Tyroll Fortune.

695
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: So in terms of who he's been able to fight, dude,

696
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: he's passed the tests, done so usually by stoppage, and

697
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: now he gets to run it back against the guy

698
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: who the only guy to beat him here at heavyweight

699
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: in Belator. Uh Muldovski's the favorite. Luke. Ultimately, I think

700
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: he's more skilled, a better wrestler, but we do kind

701
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: of need to see him come back and have a

702
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: strong performance. You know, the loss to Batter he you know,

703
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't dominated, but he also didn't have the same

704
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: type of success ultimately that we thought he could have.

705
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: Oddswise heading in you throw out the no contest with

706
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Maori because we didn't ultimately learn anything. The onus is

707
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: on him Team Fador in his corner to come out

708
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 2: and make a statement. I have to believe he's going

709
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: to be motivated to do just that. But the second

710
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: time around, can letting Vessel change this outcome at all?

711
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see what happens Luke, But yeah, there's

712
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: a stubborn nature to how Vessel fights that that he's

713
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: never going to be out of these fights.

714
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: That and the the other part too is you know,

715
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: Moldovsky is a good top control guy, not a devastating finisher, right,

716
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: so you can easily see a case where Vassell might

717
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: get trapped underneath or something right when you're like, okay,

718
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: well he Moldoski is just gonna, you know, grind out

719
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: the round because as good a grappler as Vessel is

720
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: not like a great guard player, so he's much more

721
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: a top control kind of guy. But he even if

722
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: he loses the first two rounds, Vessel still has a

723
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: chance because Muldoski has this really kind of plotting heavy style,

724
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: so it's good for winning rounds and ultimately therefore fights,

725
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: but it's not so ironclad that guys who are overmatched

726
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: don't have multiple opportunities to right the ship. I favor

727
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: Muldowski for sure, but Facell's in this one could be interesting.

728
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: The opener on this main card at ten pm Eastern

729
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: tonight in showtime, it might be the best fight on

730
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 2: the entire card, style wise, excitement wise, pairing. In terms

731
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: of the welterweight title picture at large, your slight favorite

732
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: here is Michael venim Page MVP. Well you could argue

733
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: could have just as easily took that interim title from

734
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: Logan story in their very close decision. Now he's gonna

735
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: be a minus one twenty five favorite against Gucci yama Uchi. Now, look,

736
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: these odds have been very close. Both have been in

737
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: the negative at times. As we speak right now, yama

738
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: Uchi plus one oh five. But he's coming in there

739
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: with some legitimate momentum himself at age thirty. When you

740
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: consider the knockout that he just produced spectacular against Nieman

741
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 2: Gracie in the second round when they fought in South

742
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: Dakota in last April. Uh, look, this is this, I mean, look,

743
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: it almost reminds you of like when Kung leaves to

744
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: show up on Strikeforce cards. You know, there's some of

745
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: that spirit in Gucci. He's fun to watch. You mix

746
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: that with MVP, we may get fire.

747
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, people have compared Yamauchi to something like

748
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: Bellator's Charles Lavera, and he's gone in a different direction

749
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: since some of those comparisons begin. We're gonna walk through

750
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: this finish here in just a minute. But he's got

751
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: a fantastic submission game. He's got a fantastic submission game.

752
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: He's come from one forty five all the way up

753
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: to one seventy one seventy and still has fight finishing

754
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: power through the whole process. Mikey, if you can, let's

755
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: roll the Yamuchi clip, which kind of looks just like

756
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: this one. But I want to just talk through here

757
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: very quickly. If we can watch Yamuchi Gracie attacks on

758
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: straight lines. Here, he comes in straight lines and a

759
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: lot of guys like to double jabler wing because they

760
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: stand far apart. He fakes low, there's the jab, second jab,

761
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: he puts the hand up to block it. There's just

762
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: another jab in his face. He walks into range and

763
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: then eats the uppercuts. So it's good recognition from Yamauchi, who,

764
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: by the way, is grappler, first striker, second power carried

765
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: up to one seventy, excellent timing, and then just measures

766
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: and goes excellent, excellent work. Now, how valuable is that

767
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: going to be against a guy like MVP, who's not

768
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: going to do any of that shit. He's not in

769
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: the same kind of slow way, not that valuable, but

770
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: he is not outmatched on the feet. He does know

771
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: what he's doing. His power carries to this weight class

772
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: and on the mat, a genuine submission threat, whether on

773
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: top or bottom, should be an interesting one.

774
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: Look, if there's a you know, if there's a lacking

775
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: in Michael Van them page is exciting striking game in which,

776
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: you know, we talked to him when we sat when

777
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: he sat down on our couch in the UK for

778
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: Room Service Diaries. It's sort of like, you know, this

779
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: is who I am. You know, like he there's an

780
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: artist inside of MVP. I believe to a certain degree

781
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: he's he's a striker. That's what he's gonna be now

782
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: he can use his ground game to certain degrees. Wasn't

783
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: able to keep Logan story off of him long enough

784
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: to win that interim title fight, even though it was

785
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: a disputed decision. Is their motivation here for Gucci Yamauchi

786
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: to take him down and try to lean into that

787
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 2: strength for him, negativity for his opponent, or because they're

788
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: both so flashy and carry that like, like I said,

789
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: the artist side of MMA in terms of the way

790
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: they set up they're striking, you know. Sometimes look, these

791
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: things turn into like these fun standoffs where it's like

792
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: who's gonna make the first move? So the other one

793
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: could try to spectacularly counter him. Look if there, if

794
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: this wasn't a quasi number one contender fight, maybe that's

795
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: the way it plays out. But with the the stakes here,

796
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: which are large, are you gonna see Yamauchi shoot, Yeah, you're.

797
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: Gonna se him. Shoot, youre gonna see him to clinch.

798
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna see him try and do all of those things.

799
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: Now again, if he has to strike on the feet,

800
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he is desperately out of his element.

801
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: But it's just not like, what does he have better

802
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: than MVP? For sure? It's the ground game. For surets

803
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: the ground game. So it would just be a big

804
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: mistake to try. And you know, if you have to

805
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: hold your own, fine, but I wouldn't lean on that

806
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: as the best path to victory. That seems dangerous.

807
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: So some of the antics he did to try to

808
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: get Gracie to open up against him, which was almost

809
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: Ricardo my Orger like of putting his hands down and

810
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: putting his chin out. You don't do that against MVP.

811
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna wake up looking at the lights with

812
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: a broken skull. It doesn't it's not a good IDEA.

813
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: Very very fair point there, You.

814
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: Can see ever be long fast. You know, I think

815
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: what you're really gonna see from a guy like Yamuchi

816
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: is waiting, waiting, waiting, and then you know, as as

817
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: a guy like MVP leaps into him trying to get

818
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: a hold of him, That's what I think you're gonna see.

819
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: And if you can't do that, I don't know.

820
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: Well, it's the six fight win streak for MVP last March.

821
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: Last may excuse me when he lost the story by

822
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: split decision. Here's the comeback here at age thirty five,

823
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: and Luke, you know, he's a young thirty five. He

824
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: is not like he's taking a ton of damage here,

825
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: but I still feel like he's got the resolve to

826
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: really try to continue this run to capture a world

827
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: title and fill out his you know, his large size

828
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: aspirations in a career, which is included being that viral

829
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: knockout star, but it's also included chipping away and getting

830
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: big wins. So we sat down with him. I believe

831
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: this sound is from our RSD with him. We talked

832
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: to him about how he rebounded the last time he

833
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: had lost before this storly fight, and that was against

834
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: Douglas Lima a victory. He came back and avenge and

835
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: won by decision. Let's hear from Venom page.

836
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 6: Yeah so again, just I always say anybody that thinks

837
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, lost interest after losing to Douglas

838
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 6: Lima five times and after every single time, I'm like,

839
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 6: I want to fight again. I want to fight again.

840
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 6: I want to fight again. I'll just call them out.

841
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 6: They they wouldn't give it to me. I was like, cool,

842
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 6: give me another fight immediately for five times in one year,

843
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 6: just to get back to what I needed to do.

844
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 6: After that fight, I was like, when am I fighting again?

845
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 6: Because I'm trying to get back, same same attitude. They

846
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 6: were like, unfortunately, we don't have the space on this

847
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 6: the shows that we have come in. It's not gonna

848
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 6: be a little while, which is why they gave me

849
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 6: the opportunity to fight bare knuckle, just to kind of

850
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 6: because they know I'm just gonna be sitting there bugging,

851
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 6: bugging them every day. So like, okay, let's let him

852
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 6: do something, you know, while we're sort of stuff out

853
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 6: over here. Now it's time for me to get back.

854
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 6: And it's the same attitude, Luke.

855
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: He reminded me there that in between, of course that

856
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: ten month layoff from MMA. He did take that BKFC

857
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: fight with Mike Perry, lost in the overtime round by decision.

858
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: But as we look at the Bell Tour MMA rankings

859
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: right now, Shack MMA and myself Luke are voters on this.

860
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: You can hold that for us or against us. I

861
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: know Lorentz Larkin holds it against me. Logan Storley is

862
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: still your number one contender even though we just lost

863
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: to Amasov in the rematch. Page's second ranked, Goichi Yamauchi

864
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: ranked fifth. And then if you're wondering, it's Jason Jackson,

865
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: the ass kicking machine at number three and Douglas Lee

866
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: maatt number four. Is this a number one contender fight

867
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: in your eyes for the next shot at Yaroslav Amisov?

868
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: M Yeah, probably probably, especially if it's MVP. I think

869
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: they would like to see that. They can take that

870
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: to the UK and it'd be huge. You know, people

871
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: don't misunderstand something or maybe fail to fully appreciate it.

872
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: Bellator's footprint in UK and certainly in Ireland is surprisingly large.

873
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: At least it's not to say they doesn't have an

874
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: American foot print. Hello it's based in the United States,

875
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: but I think that people underestimate the kinds of crowds

876
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: and audiences they can generate in the UK and Ireland.

877
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: And with MVP, do they can sell the place out?

878
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: That's a big fight. That's a big fight for sure.

879
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: Well, the last MVP clip we played, you can hear

880
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: him tease the idea of people wondering, and we asked

881
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: him ourselves, you know, is another title shot the only

882
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: thing that you're focused on? Or look, you came up

883
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: emptygging storrely, now what are you doing? Are you floating?

884
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: Are you taking a boxing fighter? You're taking a b

885
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: AKFC fight. Luke, when we cornered him with that question,

886
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: we found out what really motivates him. Let's hear one

887
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: more time on MVP's future goals.

888
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 6: I don't I personally don't agree because I always look

889
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 6: at it. I think unfortunately people do look at your

890
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 6: medals and your acclas that you do get on the

891
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 6: way that justify how good you are. But then you

892
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 6: have the say exceptions, but if you have people that

893
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 6: just look at the sport and the talent. In football soccer,

894
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 6: there are players that, unfortunately when they went to specific teams,

895
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 6: and the teams just didn't win, but they themselves transformed

896
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 6: that team and that person is an unbelievable player. But

897
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 6: because he doesn't have all the medals and the things

898
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 6: to go along with it, people are no, he's definitely

899
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 6: better because he's got you know, five champions leagues and

900
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 6: this and that, and I don't I don't agree with that.

901
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 6: I think you can if you can, if you're just

902
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 6: watching them, paying attention to talent, and you can you

903
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 6: can see talent. But for me, one hundred percent, uh

904
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 6: win this fight. I definitely want to belt, you know.

905
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 6: I think it's it's nice to be able to just

906
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 6: say you you've achieved. Uh So that's to go. And

907
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 6: like I said, I would like to also lean into

908
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 6: boxing again, Luke.

909
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 2: Fans of m VP have been very critical. MMA fans

910
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: in general have been critical at times. We love the excitement.

911
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes they over under excuse me, undervalue his skill and

912
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: look at him as just a flashy striker. Do you

913
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: think he personally needs a belach or welterweight championship to

914
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: solidify his time in this game as an exciting striker,

915
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 2: as a draw, as a legitimate contender here.

916
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Those are different things. Exciting fighter. He already is legitimate draw,

917
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: certainly in his home markets, already is maybe in certain

918
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: parts of the United States as well. But you know,

919
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: there's been a criticism of his resume being a little

920
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: bit weak, and I don't think it's an unfair one.

921
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: There was a lot of guys he fought for long

922
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: stretches that were not really all that difficult relative to

923
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: who he could have been fighting. However, of late, that's

924
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: really not the case. I think of late, he has

925
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: fought much better guys. I think he's performed better. It

926
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: just took him a long time to make that transition

927
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: to be able to handle wrestlers. He could always fight

928
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: other guys who were like okay at wrestling, and you know,

929
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: maybe even good at striking or whatever. But it was

930
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: when you know, like a Logan sorely got ahold of him.

931
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: And again there's an argument that he should have beaten

932
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: Logan when they did fight, So to me, it would

933
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: be really more of a confirmation that maybe there was

934
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: a stretch of his career where the talent wasn't as

935
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: difficult as it could have been. But now he's I mean, dude,

936
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: Gucci Amuci's good, really good. That's a very very credible

937
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: win if he can get it, and it's just happening

938
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: at a later stage and screer not the middle part,

939
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: but kind of the.

940
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: End quickly to close on these prelims, which later on

941
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: YouTube and Pluto TV. The Future bought a bandam weight

942
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: till Eric Perez Agan's Enrique Barzola. Look, I'll watch that.

943
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 2: That should be good.

944
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be really good. Barzola criminally underrated, has a

945
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: motor for days, but kind of has been a little

946
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: bit behind the eight ball from a technique perspective, but

947
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: Goyito should be a little bit easier for him to handle.

948
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: Very fun one.

949
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: And talk about fun fights. Serious tune into the prelims

950
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: for this light heavyweights Julius and gleitch Kiss, dove let Zon,

951
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: yag shimerdav both had opportunities and moments in that World

952
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: Grand Prix for one million dollars for my Lithuanian Brethren.

953
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: Julius it was as a late replacement, but look, these

954
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: guys make fun ass fights on belatoor prelim cards. I

955
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw that war. Dovletzon was recently

956
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: in I think they're going to reproduce that here come

957
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: Friday tonight, so I'll be checking that out early. But

958
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: let's keep it rolling. Look, the biggest event this Saturday,

959
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: from a ZOOFA standpoint, is it not the Power Slap

960
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: pay per view turned Rumble Quasi YouTube free stream, Because

961
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: that'll be in the apex in the main event slot

962
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: right later on in the evening. But your your appetizer

963
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: for that will come from Virgin Hotels in Las Vegas.

964
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: AUFC Fight Night Card. Do we have an official start time?

965
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: Do you have one? Luke?

966
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: I can tell you. I can give it to you.

967
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: Give me just a second, I can pull up the

968
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: uh here we go. It is going to start. You

969
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: mean the main card?

970
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Main card?

971
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: Main card will kick off at six pm Eastern.

972
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: Okay, early start to allow for the slapage. But look,

973
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: that early start also allows you to watch Tony Harrison

974
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: and Tim Zue Saturday night on Showtime Boxing. More on

975
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: that to come, dude, let's not sleep on it. You

976
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: want to talk about what's the best fight of this

977
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: entire weekend, I'm here to tell you, Luke, it's Peyota Yan,

978
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: the former VANDAM Way champion, who who would have thought

979
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: three losses in four fights, although those three losses are

980
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: a DQ and two split decisions. At the highest level,

981
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna welcome Morov, Devolish, Wheely, red Hot himself. We

982
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: look at the odds right now and this can't miss

983
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: bantamweight war payoder Yon minus two sixty Morob plus two twenty. Now, look,

984
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: Morob's on a wind streak. He just sent Jose Aldo packing.

985
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: Are you okay with these odds in this loaded division

986
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: here for key title placement?

987
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I mean, it's a it's there's

988
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: a lot going on with this one because it's a big,

989
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: huge fight for Yon in terms of his future and

990
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: his standing. As you indicated, they've got him as a favorite,

991
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't say a considerable one, but a decent one.

992
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: I think their odds are right because here's the problem. Right,

993
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: Yan is in terms of the technical aspect of MMA,

994
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: vastly better than a Rob Like vastly But as we've

995
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: indicated multiple times, Rob's getting better at some of those

996
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: things for sure, but also he just has a motor

997
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: that is good for as long as you need it

998
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: to be right. If you want to go fifteen to

999
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: five rounds. I honestly believe he could do it. I

1000
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: really do.

1001
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: He's a machine. He's the damn machine, okay.

1002
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: And he weaponizes it and that was really helpful against

1003
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: Jose in Salt Lake City at elevation. Here they're not

1004
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: really at elevation. I don't know how what the Veggas

1005
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: is at, but it's not super high certainly, And more

1006
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: to the point, it is a five round five, which

1007
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: makes it different than Jose. But Jan saw this one

1008
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: coming a mile away. He should have good cardio. He's

1009
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: faced a bunch of strong wrestlers, including Morob's teammate. He

1010
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: should get it done. But when you have the kind

1011
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: of cardiovascular conditioning that Morob has, it is a extremely

1012
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: It's just, dude, you know what it is. It just

1013
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: flattens everything. It's a steamroller everything that gets caught up

1014
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: in it and then just gets crushed along the way.

1015
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: So it's really going to be up to Yon to

1016
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: create separation. Separation is going to be his friend here.

1017
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: Clearly, Luke, three losses in four fights is deceiving for

1018
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: the thirty year old Yon, who has still very little

1019
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: holes in his game. Yes, he did lose clean to

1020
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: al Joe Sterling in our eyes, but a split decision

1021
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: from the judges that Shan O'Malley fight could have gone

1022
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: either way. He defeated Corey Sanhagan over five rounds and

1023
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: a very good performance in between. Of course, the DQ

1024
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: lost to Aljo kicking that off, but he has to

1025
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: be crazy motivated for this one. Back in the main event.

1026
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: We know how aggressively piotr Yan wants to matchmake he

1027
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: didn't want to fight somebody lower in the rankings. So

1028
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: let's look at the rankings and the potential that if

1029
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: a spectacular win breaks through here, is it potentially worthy

1030
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 2: of a number one contender shot in this deep division.

1031
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: Al joe'ser champion. He will be fighting former champion Henry

1032
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: Shudo in May. Sean O'Malley ranked first, Peyota Yan two

1033
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: in the UFC rankings, Morob three, and you round that

1034
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: out with Marlon Vera and Corey Sanagan at four and five. Look,

1035
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: this feels like in any like, I don't know what's

1036
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: going on with O'Malley. Is he gonna end up rematching Vera?

1037
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: Like?

1038
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: What is really happening here? I don't know. I know

1039
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: Vera was hurt for a while. But I know, if

1040
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: somebody comes through this spectacularly, you could be getting a

1041
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: call this summer, this fall for an opportunity because we're

1042
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: at that level in terms of the wind streak of

1043
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: Morab and the reputation of Yon. Dude, you talk about

1044
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: weaponizing Cardio. Yan already fights at a high pace, at

1045
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: a fast paced, especially in those later rounds. Man, this

1046
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: is this could be just a thriller, just an absolute

1047
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: you know, right, yeah.

1048
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: But not so much back and forth. The question is

1049
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: like Yon getting held down, Yon getting controlled, Yon getting slowed,

1050
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: Less about Yon getting is ass whipped. I mean, that's

1051
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: that could happen as possible, But I don't I don't

1052
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: really believe that dude. Yon has got to either create

1053
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: separation on the wallash WHEELI or he's got to hurt

1054
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: him bad well.

1055
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 2: Speaking of this matchup, in the preparations for Pyota, Yan

1056
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: coach Ray Longo. Of course, in the corner of al

1057
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: Joe Sterling, they fought Yan twice. Also in the corner

1058
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: of Al Joe's partner in crime. They're they're best friends

1059
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 2: and mentors in the MMA space Morab, the Violish Willie

1060
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: Shack Mma caught up with Ray Longo Luke. Here's his thoughts.

1061
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: I'm preparing yet again for this Russian feno.

1062
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: That is the advantage sort of in your court that

1063
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: you guys have had so much time to prep and

1064
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: game plan for Yawn, whereas his camp maybe hasn't put

1065
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: as much emphasis on Rob up to this point.

1066
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 7: I mean, theoretically, I agree with you, but they're so

1067
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 7: different in their grappling approach. I think because al Jo's

1068
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 7: got the grappling approach plus a real crazy style of

1069
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 7: jiu jitsu, he's great. It's great to see what he does.

1070
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 7: I don't Morob's not gonna have that. He's gonna He's

1071
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 7: more of a power based guy, I think, and I so,

1072
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 7: you know, but he's got Aljo out there, so al

1073
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 7: Jo does understand them. But again, you know, Morob doesn't

1074
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 7: move like al Joe. You know, he doesn't kick like

1075
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 7: al Joe.

1076
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1077
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 7: So he's gotta fight Morob's fight, and that's gonna that's

1078
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 7: the interesting part.

1079
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 2: So we kind of know what to expect from.

1080
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 7: Him from certain things, but it's just not neo logic

1081
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 7: like that, you know what I mean. So yeah, I

1082
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 7: think it's it might be comforting, but you're only gonna

1083
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 7: know when you get in there.

1084
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: Look, doesn't Ray Longo look like every like corner store keeper,

1085
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: mom pop grocery with like you know Penny candy and

1086
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: there's an arcade room in the back, Like I feel

1087
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: like I grew up with Ray Longo. I don't even

1088
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: know the guy, right, great guy. Probably met him, you know,

1089
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: a few few different times in my hometown there, But

1090
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: great analysis, Luke, do you feel like there's something like? Look,

1091
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 2: I feel like we know who Pyotran is and that's

1092
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: why he is the favorite he is right now, even

1093
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: though this is a great fight, how much larger is

1094
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: what we've seen from devilish Willie? The ceiling, the upper

1095
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: bound limits? Can he you know, look, he's working on

1096
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: his striking. You saw more dedicated approach to that against

1097
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: Jose Aldough. Can't we see him level that up ahead

1098
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: of this matchup, potentially in a way that makes this

1099
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: an even tougher fight for Pyota.

1100
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: Definitely don't want to say no, but I will tell

1101
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: you I'm skeptical. Skeptical because to this point I just

1102
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: haven't seen enough refinement, like I think if he was

1103
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. Man, Here's here's the problem, right,

1104
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: This is my concern his cardio and the basic set

1105
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: of skills he has. Now I'm not calling them all basic,

1106
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: but I'm saying the core sort of center of his skills.

1107
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: Along with that conditioning has enabled him to win fights

1108
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: that I think the rest of his skills would not

1109
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: be able to, right, and so it has moved him

1110
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: up the food chain. And so now he's fighting guys

1111
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: like this who are vastly more technical than him. But

1112
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: you're asking could he make up enough of the difference

1113
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: to get there. I haven't seen enough growth to say

1114
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: confidently that that's the case. I guess we'll find out

1115
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more tomorrow. But what's interesting to me

1116
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: is you see if his cardio wasn't as good, still good,

1117
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: but not like crazy good. Like honestly, Morob's up there

1118
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: for like best cardio in MMA. Like, if it's not him,

1119
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: you know who would it be. There's not many guys

1120
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: you would put in front of him, right, if he

1121
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: was fighting someone of a lesser ability, if he had

1122
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: less cardio, I think you'd see some more of these

1123
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: technical developments. But when you like, you can work on

1124
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: a lot of your game. But if you go up

1125
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: against someone who's much better than you, you're going to

1126
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: retreat to the things that are tried and true for you.

1127
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: So it's like, this is why development can be a

1128
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: really tricky thing, right, This is why you got to

1129
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: get the right fights at the right time. Morob could

1130
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: still win just off of wrestling pressure and then cardio.

1131
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: That's actually still a thing that could happen here. But

1132
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: you're asking about his development. I actually worry about his

1133
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: I worry about his development given how much his cardio

1134
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: elevates him into the upper tiers of that division without

1135
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: the state, which I haven't seen yet again we'll see tomorrow.

1136
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a commensurate growth in the technical ability

1137
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: because I think there's that that that that mismatch there

1138
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: is kind of it's making one more difficult to achieve

1139
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: than the other.

1140
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's any of this because of those

1141
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: deals that have floated of Morob with those bikini women,

1142
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: and you're like questioning his his you know, his work

1143
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: ethic and focus right now in light of that, remember

1144
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: that we ran down and have you seen this shit?

1145
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I doubt it was much of

1146
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: a distraction.

1147
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: All right, Well he looks like a handsome guy who

1148
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 2: knows what to do with it. Luke love this fight.

1149
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: Stay tuned at the end of the show for okay,

1150
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 2: bet when Luke and I share our picks on this one. Hey,

1151
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: look this co main event. Nobody's talking about it. Hey, folks,

1152
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: can we talk about how good this heavyweight fight is?

1153
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: Alexander Volkov, Alexander Romanov and Luke. It was not that

1154
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: long ago last summer, in fact, that Alexander Romanov was

1155
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: sixteen and oh from Moldova and running through the mid

1156
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: to lower end of the UFC heavyweight division in a

1157
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: way that really made us start to go like, holy shit,

1158
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: this wrestler, he might do some stuff. Well, he ran

1159
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: into a gutsy gatekeeper in Marchene Tai Bura who took

1160
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: a majority decision from him at Elevation and so Lake City.

1161
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: But look, you know the story there. Romanov gassed out

1162
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 2: and it was shocking, and that was certainly a wake

1163
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: up call for him. Maybe not too dissimilar to Steepe

1164
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 2: in the first JSD fight or JDS wright, excuse me,

1165
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: although that fight was a lot more competitive. He's got

1166
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: an opportunity here to bounce back in a big way.

1167
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: But dude, it does not get easy when you're going

1168
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: from the first defeat in your run in a humbling one,

1169
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: and you're moving up in class against Volkov, who has

1170
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: long sort of been there's a rude way of saying it,

1171
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 2: but Volkov is the best of the elite UFC the web, Sorry,

1172
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: the worst of the elite UFC heavyweights. Is that the

1173
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 2: right way to say it? Luke, Hmmm like that? That's

1174
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: the true entrance point. Tibur is a gatekeeper and he

1175
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: failed that test, but he's coming back against essentially the

1176
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: guy that opens the door for you in the elite circles.

1177
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: And I think history proves that with Va.

1178
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, again, I don't know the worst of

1179
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: the best. I don't think about that more. But I

1180
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: do think your general point is correct. You beat a

1181
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: guy like Volkov, and now you're in a new tier

1182
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: of future opponents, right I do. I do think that

1183
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: is very much correct. You know.

1184
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: So I said this messup is so good, and I'm

1185
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: my son fell out. So if I talked over you,

1186
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: I apologize. I'm trying to fix that right here. But

1187
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: let me just tell you the odds and I want

1188
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: to hear you break it down plus one thirty Alexander Volkov.

1189
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: Yet it's Romanov coming off the defeat minus one point fifty.

1190
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: He showed us a lot in that's sixteen and oh start,

1191
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: how do you break this down contrasting style wise?

1192
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the big one for me is just if you're Romanov,

1193
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: how do you not wrestle here? How do you not

1194
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: wrestle right? And I just think that's going to be

1195
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: such a key component because listen, Volkov's takedown defence used

1196
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: to be terrible. I remember was who was it? Check

1197
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: Congo beat him? Check Congo beat his ass like wrestling him.

1198
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: And I think even Minnikov might have as well, and

1199
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: one of the two or even both maybe. But the

1200
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: point I wanted to make was he has vastly improved

1201
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: since then, mostly along the fence line. It's not quite

1202
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: as good an open space. You saw that with the

1203
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: Curtis Blades fight. So so if you're Romanov, you just

1204
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: realize if you stand at range with a guy like Volkov,

1205
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: it's probably maybe you could do all right, but it's

1206
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: is that your best way to win? You got to

1207
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: get inside that range. He's already good wrestler. He likes

1208
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: high elevation throws when he can get him. It's a

1209
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: big thing for him. So I think guess as a

1210
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: wrestle or not, and I understand that type erres you indicated,

1211
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, gave romanovs some problems, the ones that I

1212
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: forgot when we did our preview. I was like, ah,

1213
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: he's undefeated. You know that didn't work. But just given

1214
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: the given Romanov's not small, but given the height differential,

1215
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: given what he's already good at, ways, he wins fights

1216
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: what he likes to do. I can see why they

1217
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: give Volkov a good chance of winning, but why they're

1218
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: ultimately skeptical he gets it done, putting him as a

1219
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: betting underdog because that can he really do that enough

1220
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: to win? Obviously we will see, But I can see

1221
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: why they think Romanov this is a just if he

1222
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: threads that needle BC, it's just the right matchup for him.

1223
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Volkov has juggled wins and losses in his last

1224
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: four look. I thought he was ready to make legitimate

1225
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: moves after stopping Alistair over him in twenty twenty one

1226
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: to potentially be a real title player here. And even

1227
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: though yeah, yeah, that lost to Curtis Blades, which to

1228
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,959
Speaker 2: some degree could be a preview of this matchup, because

1229
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: Blades aggressively wrestled him in the first three rounds and

1230
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: kind of dominated him before kind of guessing out and

1231
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: slowing down as Volkov, to his credit, hung in that

1232
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: five round fight and chipped away at him a close

1233
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: decision in the end, came up empty against Cyril Gon. Okay,

1234
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: we understand that style breakdown, but it was the way

1235
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: he got submitted so early against tom Aspernola did start

1236
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: to question ye at thirty four whether Volkoff can never

1237
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: get to a level of where sometimes his skills show

1238
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: you as possible. Right in between those losses, he took

1239
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: a decision over Ty Burrow, the same guy who just

1240
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: beat Roman Avi stopped Rosenstruk in the last fight in

1241
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: two minutes. But you know, Luke, a lot of guys

1242
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: on this near elite level are doing that. I guess

1243
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: I do have confidence entering a wrestler here because of

1244
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: that Blades fight, where we know Volkov can hang in

1245
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: there even if he has to give up around We

1246
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: know also he can control you from distance with that size,

1247
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: with that jab. He's got an excellent kick game. Skill

1248
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: for skill. You know, I like him in this matchup.

1249
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 2: The question is how motivated is Romanov to come back?

1250
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: Can he revamp his cardio? Can he learn that lesson

1251
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: and come back and then still weaponize the fact that

1252
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: he can push the pace, take you down, and swallow

1253
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: you up. I mean, look, he's a big ass person, Okay,

1254
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: Alexander Romanov is coming here to do nasty things. As

1255
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: much as it's weird that he's losing and then fighting

1256
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: a better opponent, I like this matchup to tell us

1257
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: exactly where both guys are going, and that's ultimately at

1258
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: the end of the day, when a good match is made,

1259
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: it's going to show you that I'm not sure which

1260
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: way to lean though, And I like that coming into

1261
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 2: this because Romanov's a favorite here after a bad loss.

1262
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: But you know, you look at the larger heavyweight picture, Luke.

1263
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: If Romanov wins this and puts the train back on

1264
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: the tracks, like we could be talking. I mean, as

1265
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: much as we overlook Sergey Pavlovitch too much lately, I

1266
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: don't want to completely count out Romanov for that one loss. Like,

1267
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: let's see what he can do here Saturday night.

1268
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough? Thirty two, which we know for heavyweight

1269
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: not old at all. I think you're right, he could

1270
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: change his fortunes and some of the This is a

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Speaker 1: guy I thought, you know, undefeated or not. This is

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01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: a guy I still was pretty high on at the

1273
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: beginning of the year. Even with the loss. I still

1274
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Speaker 1: think he's got great upside at heavyweight. Volkov is much improved, obviously,

1275
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Speaker 1: has a lot of experience against top competitors in ways

1276
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Speaker 1: Romanov does not, and I think that's gonna make things

1277
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: a little bit harder for him. But he's got the goods.

1278
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: B see like, he's got the goods to win this.

1279
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: But to your point, Volkov dangerous, crafty long. The only

1280
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: thing is BC I went to a Wizards game recently.

1281
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, why would you do that? But I did.

1282
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: But I saw Porzingis play. Porzingis obviously seven footer and

1283
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: very athletic, even in this advanced stage. He hung forty

1284
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: on the Hawks, maybe forty plus. But is watching his speed.

1285
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: It's hard for really tall guys to have that kind

1286
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Speaker 1: of speed. That's been one problem that Volkov has just

1287
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: never been able to overcome. He's slow, He's kind of slow,

1288
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: not that Romanov some like speed demon, but you know

1289
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: there is there might be a gap there.

1290
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Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm wondering. I Volkanov, as the under

1291
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: Volkoff excuse me, as the underdog, can really use that

1292
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: jab to potentially use his striking to keep Romano off

1293
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: at distance. I mean, it's gonna be interesting to find

1294
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Speaker 2: this out. But Volkoff, I think put that mean that

1295
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: mean tattoo on his back. Hey, Mikey, I'm talking right now. Okay,

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Speaker 2: thank you, sir, thank you?

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Speaker 6: All right, I.

1298
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: Had some audio issues. I'm back though. Hopefully I can

1299
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Speaker 2: get this faulty equipment swapped out. Uh, Luke, we got

1300
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 2: a bonus fight on here. It was supposed to be

1301
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Speaker 2: the main event. Recently it's Nikita Krelov Ryan Span at

1302
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: light heavyweight, only this time after Kreelov was Was he hurt? Luke?

1303
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: Was he ill? What happened a couple weeks ago.

1304
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: When you just got last minute? Yeah, he got ill

1305
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: last second or something. I don't think it was Covid.

1306
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows something?

1307
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, we were running it back at a catchweight of

1308
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifteen pounds due to the delay. The

1309
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: odds still show you that Kreelov at minus one seventy

1310
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: is your favorite plus one forty five Span the small

1311
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: underdog Luke Span Still, I mean, we've already previewed this

1312
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: last time. But SPAN's got a big opportunity to punch

1313
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: his way into contention here with a big win. We

1314
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: know that, but it's what Krelov do coming off of

1315
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: two recent defeats to bounce back. This is also a

1316
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: very good interesting fight.

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, very good interesting fight. Span to me, not nearly

1318
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: as dangerous in the sense that Krilov's got a lot

1319
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: of different tricks, a lot of different tools. He by

1320
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: the way, you know, there was a time when he

1321
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: was in the UFC he was arguably like one of

1322
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: the worst fighters in the UFC roster. And those days

1323
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: are long over. They've been over for some time. But

1324
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: you just, really, I think sometimes folks lose sight of

1325
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: how much better Krilov has gotten. He for folks who

1326
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: don't know this, I don't know if it's still the case,

1327
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: but you can look it up. It used to be

1328
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: if you looked at the shirtdog fight Finder, he used

1329
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: to call himself al Capone. Orn't even nobody calls himself anymore,

1330
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: And he had UFC gloves on. The guys at Shirdog

1331
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: told me he took that picture and sent it to

1332
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: them to use in the fight finder. Before he ever

1333
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: got signed to UFC, he was fighting like wherever the fuck,

1334
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: and he he had like UFC gloves, like visibly UFC

1335
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: gloves with like an al capone like in nineteen forties

1336
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: Chicago gangster thing. You know, this guy was like trying

1337
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 1: to put himself forward in ways before he was ever ready.

1338
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: But dude, now, is he the best life heavyweight? No,

1339
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: he's not, but he does have a lot of skills.

1340
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: He's always going for it, he chases the finish. He's

1341
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: got good kickboxing, like he's really come a long way.

1342
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: The issue for him is he sometimes make mistakes. He

1343
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: can get out in front of his skis and Ryan

1344
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: span has got just tremendous, tremendous punching power, good accuracy.

1345
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: He could be a real handful in that sense. So

1346
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: I would say this BC. If Krillov is a little

1347
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: bit more buttoned up with his approach, he has more

1348
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: ways to win this. But if Spaan can take his

1349
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: time and really pick his shots, Krilov has a tendency

1350
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: to kind of run into problems of his own creation.

1351
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: For that reason alone, it's diicy, but a fun fight,

1352
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,479
Speaker 1: I think, just the same.

1353
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, second time Krilov making a run here in

1354
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 2: the UFC. But you know it's like he's three and

1355
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: four in his last seven. But the losses, you know,

1356
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: are to the elite. It's Blahovich, it's Glover, it's ank Alia.

1357
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: It was that crazy submission to Paul Craig, but he

1358
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: knocked out a lifeless Gustuson took the decision from Osdmiir.

1359
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: Let's see if he can put together a run. He's

1360
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: still sort of a wild card overall in this division,

1361
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: which I think you can also say about Spain. So

1362
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: let's see who can punch or kick their way through

1363
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: this one. Look, when you look up and down this card,

1364
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: there is some interesting fair What jumps out at you

1365
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: the most the rest of the way, good question, So.

1366
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: Up and down this card, it's actually some decent stuff.

1367
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: Sai de Mergamdov taking on Jonathan Martinez, I think is

1368
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: a fun one. People think, oh it's no Mrga Madoff,

1369
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: He's just gonna walk over him, and he is favored

1370
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: to win. But how about like some crazy amount I

1371
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: think it's a minus two hundred or so ish to win,

1372
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: so it's still pretty competitive. Again. Bansaweight another sort of

1373
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, some bigger names moving their way up through

1374
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: that division. Obviously, Hikkardo Hamosh is back taking on Austin Lingo.

1375
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: He's the guy who had the spinning back ELBOWKO a

1376
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: couple of years back. Also b see don't lose sight

1377
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: of this one now. I think his career is largely over,

1378
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: but he rebounded again in his last fight, and he

1379
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: had to work for it, but he got it. Halfil

1380
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: Sunsow taking on Davy Grant. Now, yes, I think a

1381
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: Sunsow is slight underdog, or maybe just one way or

1382
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: the other. Like the odds are close on this one.

1383
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: A sun Sow at his best was way better than

1384
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: Davy Grant at his best. I don't know where a

1385
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: Sunsow was now except very close to the exit, but

1386
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, he did cobble together a hard fought

1387
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: win in his last one. Grant is good and offensive,

1388
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: but not necessarily of the same overall caliber that a

1389
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: Sunsow once was. So this is a very interesting pairing

1390
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: at the stage that both are in. I like that

1391
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: conscious as well. Also BC Violence Queen Ariana Lipski taking

1392
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: it on JJ Aldrich. That's a ton of fun. And

1393
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: Carlston Harris coming out his last fight was against Shovcott

1394
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: rock Monov. He was I think he hadn't lost an

1395
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: UFC up to that point. I think at least he

1396
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: was on a decent win streak. Taking on Jared Gooden.

1397
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: That'll open the car. Be curious to see if he

1398
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,479
Speaker 1: can readbound here as a they.

1399
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: Call that the curtain jerker is what they call it

1400
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: in the pro wrestling world, you know.

1401
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And where is he from? He's he lives in

1402
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: out of Brazil, but I think he's Oh he's from Guyana.

1403
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, I used to work with guys from Guyana.

1404
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: Luke.

1405
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: They love cricket, I mean they love it.

1406
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: It's a big sport, bro. I mean, we don't play

1407
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: it here, but it's fucking big.

1408
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 2: Let's go to topic number three, Luke, And this is a

1409
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: good one. It's a Showtime International Boxing Special Edition this Saturday,

1410
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: ten forty five pm Eastern Time start. It's just the

1411
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: main event. We're doing a one off here. Our friends

1412
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: the show Time gonna call it from the studio in

1413
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: New York. But we're going to Australia and this is

1414
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 2: a big deal. Was supposed to be Tim Zoo against

1415
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: undisputed junior middleweight champion Jermel Charlo back in January. An

1416
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: injury to Charlo postpone that fight. There's the idea that

1417
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: Charlo could come back maybe this July. Well, he's probably

1418
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 2: gonna come back against the winner of this fight. Because

1419
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: you know what Tim Zuo said, Luke, He said, if

1420
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 2: I can't get Charlo, give me the only guy that's

1421
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: defeated him, and that's former champion Tony Harrison. I love

1422
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 2: this fight. We've already played up the reasons to love

1423
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: this fight. But I caught up with Tim Zoo and

1424
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: I straight up asked him, why not wait for Charlo?

1425
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: Why take this chance? Here's what the son of the

1426
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer costures you. Young Timmy there had to say.

1427
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1428
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 4: Man, Look, I wasn't going to wait up on Mel

1429
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 4: and his life and what he's going to be doing

1430
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 4: it in his career, what honeymoon's he wants to take.

1431
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 4: I'm here to just do me man, and Toady Harrison

1432
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 4: is the next best option and the next big fight

1433
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 4: to make, so this is why it's made, and this

1434
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 4: is why we're getting it on now.

1435
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: Tim. You know, it could be a slang difference in

1436
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 2: the lexicon, but when you say honeymoons, are you implying

1437
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: that that Charlo didn't need to pull out of that fight? No?

1438
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 4: No, I no, no, not in that reason. I'm meaning

1439
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 4: the fact that he could be gone for a holiday,

1440
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 4: he could be doing this, he could do that, and

1441
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 4: I really don't know what he's what he's doing in

1442
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 4: his lifestyle.

1443
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna wide around and not five.

1444
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, I like that spirit by the way of saying, look,

1445
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 2: I know I'm a rising star. He had his US

1446
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 2: debut last year in Minneapolis on Showtime against Terrell Goshe

1447
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: won a hard fought decision, but I like that he's

1448
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: basically going, look, I gotta move on. So this will

1449
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: be for the interim WBO title and really just the

1450
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: opportunity to fight Charlo when he gets back. And if

1451
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: you're wondering, look, Tony Harrison split two exciting fights with

1452
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 2: Jamel Charlo, so that trilogy option is big for him

1453
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: at age thirty two, just the same, but look, people

1454
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: can catch his full interview at YouTube dot com slash

1455
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: Morning Combat. But a little highlight I'll give you is

1456
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: I asked him, Zoo, about what you and I have

1457
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 2: talked about a lot, Like he's a great young fighter

1458
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: on the rise, but he fought like no one had

1459
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: ever taught him defense or head movement against Terrell Goshe

1460
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: he fought like a madman walking through big thunder. He

1461
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: got dropped in that first round, and I asked him,

1462
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: you know the heck happened, Luke. He says, getting dropped

1463
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: there and on one he got surprised by it. He said,

1464
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 2: it clicked on the terminator mode. And once he enters

1465
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: that that realm. That's where he's different than his dad.

1466
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 2: His dad big time power, but a boxer, two different

1467
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 2: type of fighter. When Tim decides to just go for it.

1468
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't love it, Luke, that he took

1469
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: on so much danger in that fight, but he got

1470
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 2: the w Is that a good enough reason in your

1471
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: eyes why that happened? Do you think he'll be smarter

1472
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: this time around, Zuo?

1473
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think so. I think he's got

1474
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: one gear. Listen to me. I went on boxing forums

1475
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: last night to see what the fans were saying, like

1476
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: where their heads are at, and you know, listen to

1477
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: a few different podcasts see where their heads are at.

1478
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people split on this. That's

1479
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: what I have noticed. A lot of people who think

1480
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: Zoo is gonna win. There is a more than normal

1481
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,959
Speaker 1: amount I think, who are more than what I was expecting,

1482
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: who think, actually, Harrison's gonna win. Here is my sense

1483
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: of things. It's gonna look like the Gochet fight in

1484
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: the following sense. I think early, I don't expect Zoo

1485
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: to look all that great. I think midway through it

1486
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: might be back and forth. One guy wins around, one

1487
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: guy loses around, blah blah blah. It's late that I

1488
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a hard time looking past Zoo.

1489
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: I think Zoo is I don't if it goes to

1490
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: the cards. And yes, it's in Australia, so there's the

1491
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: hometown factor. I'm not that confident he wins. I think

1492
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: Harrison might be able through a twelve round contest to

1493
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: win more rounds than Zoo. But does he get dropped

1494
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: late because Zoo's pressure late, I think is gonna be

1495
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: a big problem for Harrison. He just will not let

1496
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: off the gas. I do think he's gonna be able

1497
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: to really go to the body. I think he's gonna

1498
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: be giving Harrison tons of problems late, and I wonder,

1499
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: like in round if it goes as far in rounds

1500
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: nine through twelve, especially ten to twelve, do I think

1501
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: Zoo's gonna be in his kitchen cooking on him. I

1502
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: really really believe that.

1503
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 2: He does carry his cardio and his intensity and aggression late.

1504
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 2: And you know, I like what you ultimately came to

1505
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 2: a conclusion yourself if you're saying you think that's the

1506
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 2: speed at this level that Tim Zoo has and maybe

1507
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 2: the only one of that terminator mode. I think though,

1508
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 2: he's got to dial back and be a little bit

1509
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 2: of who he was on the rise, which is not

1510
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: a pure boxer by any means, but work harder with

1511
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: the jab on keeping that middle distance. Certainly, his body

1512
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 2: punching attack is a big part of what he does,

1513
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: and he loves to sort of break down your defense's

1514
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 2: and pin you against the ropes. But Tony Harrison is

1515
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: so crafty, and that's ultimately why the odds are close.

1516
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 2: It's ultimately why you're talking about forums and the real

1517
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: fans going hold up. This has trap fight potential. As

1518
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 2: we talk right now, our friends at Caesar's minus two

1519
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: to eighty for Tim Zuo plus two ten for Tony Harrison.

1520
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: But this is footage of Harrison's comeback win in his

1521
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 2: last time out last year. That's Sergio Garcia a good boxer,

1522
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 2: but Tony Harrison did Tony Harrison thing. So here's what

1523
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: you have to like about Tony. He's thirty two years

1524
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: old as a veteran. His father and trainer recently passed

1525
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: and it took him some time to get for that.

1526
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: But he fights in that old school Detroit Kronk style.

1527
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: He's one of the last active fighters that did time

1528
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 2: with Emmanuel Stewart, the Hall of Fame late trainer, and

1529
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 2: he's got that perfect old school mix. He can counterbox

1530
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: like he did against Charlotte to pull the ups at

1531
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: the first time around. He's got the power to get

1532
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 2: you out of there. He knows how to slow down,

1533
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: speed up the fight. He can overtake you and overwhelm

1534
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: you if you're vulnerable. But Luke, he has a four

1535
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 2: and a half inch height advantage that nobody's talking about

1536
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 2: and a four and a half inch reach advantage against

1537
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 2: Zoo that both could get very interesting. Yes, he's on

1538
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 2: enemy soil. Yes you never know what the scorecards. But

1539
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 2: Tony in the interviews leading up to this has really

1540
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 2: kind of won the event. I mean that he did

1541
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: some stuff on Australian TV, like a face off with

1542
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 2: Zoo and he was very respectful. But Luke, you know,

1543
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: he also was confident about accepting this matchup. So Zoo

1544
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: told me, Luke, look, three times we've seen Harrison and

1545
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: title fights against elite foes, and three times he's lost

1546
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 2: by knockout. I'm sorry, three times. He's only lost three times,

1547
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: two were title but all three were by knockout. Tim

1548
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: Zoo told me history will repeat itself, so it should

1549
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: be interesting based on how you laid it out. Is

1550
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: this going to be a factor where it's just wait

1551
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: until Zoo eventually catches up with Tony Harrison, who if

1552
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: there's any flawed to his game, Luke vulnerable to the

1553
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: big punch. Look at the history, right, Willie Nelson upsetting him,

1554
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 2: Jared Hurd not stopping him, Jamel Charlo in the rematch,

1555
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 2: and look, I want to remind you, Harrison up on

1556
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 2: two scorecards against Jared heard at the time of the

1557
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 2: stoppage up on two scorecards against Jamel Charlo and the

1558
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 2: rematch at the time of the stoppage with one card.

1559
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 2: Even so, that has been the history for Tony Harrison.

1560
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 2: But if he turns back, you know, if he finds

1561
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 2: a way to hedge that here, and it can slow

1562
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 2: Zoo down. Dude, I know we all want Zoo versus Charlo.

1563
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 2: They're saying maybe July Jermeal can be back and Jamel Charlo.

1564
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 2: By the way, we'll be on the call Saturday night

1565
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,799
Speaker 2: in the studio with Brian Custer and others for showtime,

1566
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 2: so he'll give you that perspective. I'm gonna guess you

1567
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 2: would rather see Tim Zoo against him. But would you

1568
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: pop for a Harrison Charlo trilogy given how close the

1569
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: two fights were.

1570
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I would, Yes, I would. You're absolutely right, it's

1571
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 1: a fresh matchup. I would much rather see Tim Zuo

1572
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: face Charlo, fair enough, but I'll tell you. I'll tell

1573
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 1: you that. What's interesting to me about it is I

1574
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: had kind of not forgotten about Tony, but after he

1575
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: got stopped in the rematch, I was like, oh right, well,

1576
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: Charlo's just better and Charlo obviously is the best in

1577
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: class in this weight class. But if he goes down

1578
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: there and he beats Tim Zoo in Australia, I mean,

1579
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: let's let's let's take a step back here, like Harrison

1580
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: is taking on a tough challenge across the earth in

1581
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: that guy's hometown. If you're crafty enough to beat that

1582
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: guy under those circumstances there, Yes, I would like to

1583
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: see a third Charlo fight. I would be very much

1584
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: okay with that, no doubt about it.

1585
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got me, you got me in on there.

1586
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 2: But Luke, tim Zu definitely feels like he has that

1587
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 2: star potential that we're talking about. That US debut felt big.

1588
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 2: He's twenty eight years old, twenty one and oher with

1589
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 2: fifteen KOs. But you know, this is the toughest steps

1590
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 2: of his pro career. It just is. That's where we're

1591
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 2: at with Tony Harrison. So final question on this, Luke,

1592
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 2: My answer to this is yes, in advance, if Zoo

1593
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 2: advances to the Charlo fight, dude, he's better off that

1594
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 2: it went this way. He's better off he that Charlo

1595
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 2: got hurt, that he has one more chance against a

1596
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 2: very tough opponent. The only guy to beat Charlo, to

1597
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 2: prove to himself and us that he's really ready for

1598
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 2: all four world titles.

1599
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that one hundred percent? Like beating

1600
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: Goshet is nice, right, That's a solid win, especially we

1601
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: talked about it. Zu got dropped in the first round

1602
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: by Tourol Gaschet and then came back and just put

1603
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: it on him. I liked what he showed there. I

1604
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: liked his medal. I liked a lot about that. And

1605
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not ready to be a big believer

1606
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: in his game. But you beat someone like this man,

1607
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: it's off to the f and races at that point.

1608
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: What a fun, great fight that would be.

1609
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: So Costia Zoo is rumored to be attending this and

1610
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: why that now? I asked him about it this week.

1611
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 2: He said, we're not sure yet. We're waiting. Why that matters,

1612
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 2: Luke is both Tim and his younger brother Nikito will

1613
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 2: be boxxing on this card, but but they live in Australia.

1614
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: Costja Zoo at some point split up with their mom

1615
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: in Australia, moved to Russia and started a new family.

1616
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: So he hasn't been a consistent presence in the in

1617
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: either the corner or by the side of Tim Zoo

1618
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 2: even though they are you know, cordial and close, but

1619
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: you know, him showing up it could be interesting. I said,

1620
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: you know, Tim, is that going to make you nervous

1621
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 2: at all? He said no, but he goes, We're gonna

1622
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 2: have to put a handler on Dad because he doesn't

1623
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:42,480
Speaker 2: stop screaming.

1624
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: So uh, very quickly, very very quickly. Just for the

1625
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: newer MMA fans who don't know who Costazoo is, what's

1626
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: the best way to describe Costa Zoo, Tim's father to

1627
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: our audience.

1628
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 4: Uh.

1629
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 2: He is the epitome of what makes a boxer puncher,

1630
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: meaning he was typically small and stature at one seven

1631
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 2: his biggest divisions where he got big wins, but he

1632
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 2: would he had power that would just come out of nowhere.

1633
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 2: If you're looking for the fight, look look at the

1634
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: welterweight unification about against zab Judah, the way that fight ended.

1635
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: The you want to see the very best of who

1636
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 2: Coach Jazoo was. He could box you. He had the

1637
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 2: Olympic Bam. Sorry, the amateur pedigree comes from Russia. Came

1638
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 2: of age in a lot of ways in Australia there

1639
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 2: but Luke he could do it all. He could beat

1640
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: you with quickness in cunning. He was a boxer, but

1641
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,879
Speaker 2: a pressure boxer. But he could stand in and land bombs.

1642
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: And you know, we saw him on Showtime in that

1643
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 2: big title loss in England to Ricky hatton the breakthrough

1644
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 2: moment Manhattan's career where Zoos shocked us by not coming

1645
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: out for round twelve after a hard fought battle. And

1646
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 2: you know that was the end of the line for him.

1647
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: But you can't judge him by that fight. He he

1648
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: was one of the best. It's why he's in Kanastota,

1649
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: New York, in the Hall of Fame. We'll see if

1650
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,879
Speaker 2: he plays a role at any point in this telecast

1651
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: here on Saturday Night, showing up in the corner of

1652
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: his son Luke. Topic four, we'll stay with boxing here

1653
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 2: in the Showtime pay per view that really has the

1654
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:08,480
Speaker 2: combat sports world buzzing. It's April twenty seconds, Las Vegas, Timobulrena,

1655
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 2: but a two day coast to coast press tour for Jervonte,

1656
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 2: Tank Davis King, Ryan Garcia Wednesday in Times Square, You

1657
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 2: and I yesterday it was in Beverly Hills. Arieljwani joined

1658
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 2: me in MK Studios to round out that action. But Luke,

1659
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: we saw a matchup that's already so good on paper.

1660
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 2: They're combined fifty one to zero with forty five KOs,

1661
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: they're twenty eight and twenty four years old, they're undefeated.

1662
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 2: We can talk at nauseum about the crossover potential here.

1663
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: Forget that, Okay, forget that. Let's talk about the growing

1664
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: beef between one another, because you know, I thought, I

1665
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 2: thought that you could you could flip the coin on

1666
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: who won if there's a winner in both days of

1667
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 2: the press conferences, because we saw a Ryan Garcia who

1668
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: was not happy that Tank Davis took his time showing

1669
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: up on Wednesday, allowing you and I to vamp for

1670
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 2: you know, almost record levels of time there with some

1671
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 2: great guests. But also there was a whole There was

1672
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 2: a standoff Friday Thursday, excuse me, where Ryan Garcia wouldn't

1673
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: leave his balcony in the hotel to come down until

1674
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 2: he was assured Gervonte Davis was there. That spilled over

1675
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 2: into a money face off to kick off Thursday's press conference.

1676
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 2: Before I get your reaction, let's just watch this. This

1677
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 2: was Thursday at the Start Security promoters were not there

1678
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: and we almost lost them.

1679
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: My understanding is, and I don't know this for California,

1680
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 1: but certainly in Nevada, the promoter has to stand between

1681
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: them for any kind of face off. Well maybe California

1682
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:32,839
Speaker 1: is different.

1683
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 2: So you know, Ariel and I debated this yesterday. I

1684
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 2: loved it at the same venue. By the way, when

1685
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: Canelo Alvarez and Caleb plan ahead of their showtime pay

1686
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 2: per view, till had the same scenario. Nobody holding them back,

1687
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 2: and you know, they landed a punch and and you know,

1688
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: plant got caught. Luckily it didn't hurt the fight. But

1689
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: I think that helped the promotion. And you know, Luke,

1690
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: I like and fight promotion. Go as close as you

1691
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 2: can to the fire. Maybe get maybe get a little

1692
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 2: bit burnt, But as long as you're not ruining the fight. Dude,

1693
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 2: I I could. I could eat this up all day.

1694
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: They touched each other's chins. It got it got, you know,

1695
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 2: jawing back and forth. Give me your reaction two days

1696
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: here of what we saw in the growing beef between them.

1697
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Uh, I love Dravante's jacket there. That

1698
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: leather jacket is nice. That was sick because he showed

1699
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: up to us Wednesday looking like he got dressed in

1700
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: hot topic in the dark. I mean, I didn't even

1701
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: know what he was doing with the other. The other

1702
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: had the weird purse and like the shiny shoes, preferred his.

1703
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 2: Green one on Wednesday or the blue one on Thursday.

1704
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: Look what, seriously, can we pause here? Dravonte? You know

1705
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 2: I love you, man, You you know what I mean?

1706
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 2: Is this cool? Is it okay to bring a purse

1707
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 2: to a press conference? I don't understand this.

1708
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: It must be like, I don't know what the fuck's cool.

1709
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't have a faint I don't have the faintest idea,

1710
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 1: so it must be. But I love the jacket, the

1711
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 1: Oedicul jacket. I'll say this. You know, both guys want

1712
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: to make the deal. And I think both guys they

1713
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: made it and they realized the significance of it, and

1714
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: they're excited. And they didn't have any real beef for

1715
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: the most part, and I still think they don't. They

1716
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: just have like competitive beef more than like see like

1717
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 1: Plant and Benavidez. Plant probably wishes Benavidez, you know, something

1718
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: bad would happen to him in his life and vice versa,

1719
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: like they really don't care if the other one has

1720
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: a terrible life. I mean, they just dramatically hate that guy.

1721
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't quite get that sense between these two, but

1722
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: the competitive fire between them, which is why the fight

1723
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: got made to begin with, spilled over in this particular exchange.

1724
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: Their face off on Wednesday was very good. The face

1725
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: off yesterday was great.

1726
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: I loved it, and it continued during the actual press

1727
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 2: conference portion, particularly when Ryan was at the podium, Tank

1728
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: next to him and Luke. Tank really started to go

1729
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: after him on you know, you're not a complete fighter.

1730
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 2: You got a left hand, you got nothing else you go,

1731
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: you don't have a right hand, you can't box, but

1732
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 2: almost to like a dismissive level where I started to

1733
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 2: question for the first time, is Ryan in his head?

1734
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: Because Ryan had some some good they both had good,

1735
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 2: sharp comebacks on Thursday's press conference in Beverly Hills, but

1736
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 2: there was such a dismissive level. They actually had to

1737
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 2: tell Tank to like stop talking, like give give Ryan

1738
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: his chance to finish that. Did you think that? Not

1739
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 2: saying getting his head to a necessarily a negative level.

1740
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 2: But he got pissed off. He's feeling the confidence of

1741
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia at the very least up to this point.

1742
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of his opponents are much

1743
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: like like Okay, So for example, let's take his last opponent,

1744
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: Hector Luis. Garcia obviously didn't speak the language, and he

1745
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: did say some of that stuff on I remember he

1746
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: was like, had a suit and he was next to

1747
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: everyone else. He was like, I look like a lawyer

1748
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: with my clients, and they didn't care for that too much.

1749
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: But in general just didn't say a whole lot was

1750
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm here for the fight and blah blah blah.

1751
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: And then Tank we said it on Wednesday, right, Tank

1752
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: will response to whatever energy Ryan Garcia gives him, and

1753
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: most of the opponents are fairly as I mentioned de Mirror,

1754
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: but Garcia wasn't. Garcia is brimming with confidence, brimming with

1755
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: We talked about it on Wednesday, Reptuc. It's not smart

1756
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm gonna prove the haters wrong, but

1757
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: it is smart to lean into your competitive desire for

1758
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: big challenges, especially when there's big money involved in the

1759
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: big reward. And right now, I mean, Ryan Garcia is convinced,

1760
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: convinced he's going to beat Tank, Davis and Dravante I

1761
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: think is incredulous at this and almost having a hard

1762
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: time believing it, but probably is equally convinced he's going

1763
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: to do the same to Ryan.

1764
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 2: So well, if you want a more detailed look at

1765
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 2: their mindsets here, I encourage you to go to the

1766
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 2: Showtime Sports YouTube channel and check out our interviews which

1767
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: have been pulled separately from the stream with both Ryan

1768
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 2: Garcia and Tank Davis, where they talked at length about

1769
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: each other. I want to play a couple pieces of

1770
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 2: sound from here. This is Tank Davis talking to us

1771
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 2: somewhat dismissively about how good he actually thinks Ryan is

1772
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 2: and Luke. I want to preface that by saying they've

1773
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 2: him and Calvin Ford. They've They've straight up said, look,

1774
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 2: Ryan's hungry. We know, you know, hunger with the mixture

1775
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: of speed and power brings danger. But he has been

1776
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 2: very dismissive about the skills. Let's hear Gravonte's thought on

1777
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 2: ry guy. Think you said if there's a difference between

1778
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 2: the two of you ultimately April twenty second, when you

1779
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 2: meet in the ring Timobull Arena, that it would be

1780
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 2: the dog that you have inside of you, and we've

1781
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 2: seen that played out before in big time fights. Skills wise, though,

1782
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 2: is he on your level?

1783
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 8: You know that?

1784
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 2: I I gotta ask you that. Okay, no one cares

1785
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 2: about my pion.

1786
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 8: No, I don't think skilled wise he's on my level,

1787
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 8: But things can change. I don't want to be this.

1788
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 8: I don't want to be like this guy is like

1789
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 8: I'm so above people, you know what I mean. I

1790
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 8: gotta still respect him as a fighter, but far as

1791
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 8: as again, as a fighter officers though, he's not he's

1792
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 8: not on my level as far as skill.

1793
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 2: Look, would you say that that's true or that that

1794
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 2: is you know, big brother ing the the younger fighter here.

1795
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: I think Tank is more skilled. Yes, in general, who

1796
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: is more who has who's more well rounded? And who

1797
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 1: can do things a little bit more nimbly? Not so

1798
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: much with Obviously Garcia's left hook is amazing, but we

1799
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: talked about it before. Ryan has a problem fighting in

1800
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: straight lines, and Tank is good on at angles, at

1801
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: angling off and accepting pressure. It's his accuracy is excellent,

1802
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: his shot selection is excellent, excellent, his timing is really good.

1803
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: Now Ryan's got a lot of those things too. Up

1804
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: to this, I'd also I'll say this, I think I

1805
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: think there's been complaints about both guys resumes like you

1806
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: haven't fought anyone great yet. This is obviously the toughest

1807
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: guy either when it's fought. So in some ways we'll

1808
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: get a little bit of that criticism to go away.

1809
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: But I do think take has fought better competition. Now,

1810
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: not every time, not all the time, but you know,

1811
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: he's fought bigger guys like Mario Barrios. Garcia has better

1812
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: pedigree than maybe not Fortuna.

1813
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 3: But.

1814
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, like Fortuna was kind of like long in

1815
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 1: the tooth when he fought Garcia. So I do think

1816
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: Tank has fought better guys.

1817
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Ryan's got one very good win and

1818
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 2: that's Luke Amble, who he got up off the deck

1819
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 2: and knocked out and sent into retirement. Tank's got wins

1820
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: over Jose Petraza, a stoppage for a title, right, Leo

1821
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 2: Santa Cruz by spectacular knockout up and weight against Barrios,

1822
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 2: a champion moving up who was hungry, and Hector Garcia,

1823
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: you know, on and on across the way. But yes,

1824
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 2: there has been some criticism of Tank of like fight

1825
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 2: guys your size, do this. Well, look, he's fighting a

1826
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: guy who's significantly taller than him, might be faster than him,

1827
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 2: but you know it's going to be up to Ryan

1828
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 2: Garcia to raise his game. And I thought our interviewed

1829
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 2: with Joe Goosen really showed some insight to some of

1830
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 2: the things they're working on. But let's go to Rye

1831
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,480
Speaker 2: Guy Luke. When we sat down with him to frame it,

1832
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 2: it was while we were all waiting on Tank. Now,

1833
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: I've heard different things. Tank told us I was training

1834
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 2: all night and I hadn't slept, and you know, so

1835
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if that means he was napping and

1836
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 2: he was late. Some said traffic as to why he's late.

1837
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 2: Some said he was at the barbershop. Other people Ariols

1838
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: one of them who says, look, no, Tank was late

1839
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 2: because he wants to show Ryan that he's the true

1840
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: a side. Either way, rad Guy came out guns blazing

1841
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 2: when he sat this.

1842
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 9: There's a lot of stipulations in there that show what

1843
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 9: kind of character he has. His integrity and the will

1844
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 9: of a competitor he has. He doesn't have it. He

1845
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 9: doesn't have the heart of the champion. Look at him,

1846
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 9: how he represents himself, as a champion, He's not even here.

1847
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 2: It's been over an hour.

1848
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,719
Speaker 9: I mean there was like forty six thousand people watching

1849
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 9: and I was here and he's still not here. So

1850
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 9: I mean you could take that as he's cool and whatnot,

1851
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 9: but in reality, if you look at the truth, it's

1852
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,879
Speaker 9: unprofessional and it's pretty whack of a champion like himself.

1853
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 2: Look, he was spitting hate on the balcony the next

1854
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 2: day to Ariel. But in regards to the catchway of

1855
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 2: one hundred thirty six pounds, the rehydration clause, some of

1856
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 2: those things that we've seen, the A side leverage, I

1857
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 2: do think that's that's part of the game. You want

1858
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: to become a pay per view star, history tells us

1859
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 2: you've got to play on the other guy's terms and

1860
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 2: take the baton, take his audience, take his world title,

1861
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 2: take everything he's bringing.

1862
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I mean, what do you want me to say?

1863
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a it's a move straight

1864
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: out of Mayweather Canelo. Like, go back and look at

1865
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 1: the restrictions Mayweather had on Canelo in terms of his

1866
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: size and what the weight was they had to get

1867
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: down to, and rehydration and you'd be like, oh, well,

1868
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Floyd did that. I mean, it's a different scenario because

1869
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: Floyd was a very preeminent name and Canelo was on

1870
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: the way up. These two guys are roughly the same level,

1871
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: so it's not the same in that sense. But like

1872
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: the A side mandating to the B side that, yeah,

1873
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna fight the same weight, but there's gonna be

1874
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: some restrictions around that. I understand Ryan's point. I get it.

1875
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: This is what the A side often does in boxing.

1876
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna accept the terms. Accept the terms, right.

1877
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 2: Remember glovegate with my Donna and Mayweather or Floyd's like

1878
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 2: you can't wear the Xican horse or punching gloves. And

1879
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 2: remember look, Pachiel made Dala Hoya come down late in

1880
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 2: age and that cost him. Dala Hoya tried to get

1881
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: Bernard Hopkins in their middleweight unification underspeeded title fight to

1882
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: come down two pounds. B hob did that, he got

1883
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 2: the win. Right. You know what did Oscar make Floyd

1884
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 2: do everything in their fighting? Oh seven? Let's close with

1885
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia though, And something I've been building up to

1886
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 2: is this, Luke, they both can knock each other out.

1887
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot of excitement with that. But for Ryan Garcia,

1888
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,719
Speaker 2: he's got to level up his skills and really every

1889
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 2: key fundamental department if he's gonna do the other way,

1890
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 2: which is get a decision over Tank Davis and outthink

1891
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: him and out maneuver him. Here's Ryan Garcia talking about

1892
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 2: his own boxing game and really what he's going to

1893
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 2: try to make a statement against the critics here in

1894
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: this fight April twenty second.

1895
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 9: Everybody's looking for the hook, but you don't know where

1896
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 9: it's going. He don't know who's gonna go to the

1897
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 9: head or the body or around the ear. So yeah,

1898
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 9: you could look for the hook. But now that I

1899
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 9: have a really good body shot, it really helps my

1900
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 9: alement of surprise, you know what I mean. I'm actually

1901
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,759
Speaker 9: I landed the same shot to Fortuna, which really opens

1902
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 9: up so many other doors for other shots, and including

1903
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 9: the right hand. I actually have a strong right hand,

1904
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 9: and now my right hand is fully back.

1905
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe was just telling us the sporting partners are

1906
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: like yo, Like everyone looks is thinking left hook, that

1907
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: right hand.

1908
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 2: My right hands heavier.

1909
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 9: My left hook is sneakier, which one knocks feep Out's

1910
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 9: the sneakier one. So this one has enough power to

1911
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 9: knock you out because it's so sneaky. But this is heavier.

1912
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 9: If you get hit with this, even if you see

1913
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 9: it, it hurts. It's like how you hit me with you

1914
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 9: know what I mean? But this you won't see it.

1915
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 1: It don't matter.

1916
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't care who you are.

1917
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Do you think you have the best left hook in boxing?

1918
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 9: I mean, there's a lot of people that have great

1919
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 9: left hooks. I think what I've seen him with, you

1920
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 9: seen in my fights. You could have a very strong argument.

1921
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 9: I do. But a lot of people have good hooks,

1922
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 9: but mine seems seems to be knocking people out.

1923
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 1: It seems to work really well.

1924
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm actually surprised. I'm like, damn, dad, even I

1925
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 9: don't even think I hit him.

1926
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 2: Did I hit them? Like?

1927
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Do know?

1928
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 9: I was like duo and you just went out And

1929
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 9: I'm like, dang, it is pretty sneaky, though, I'll give

1930
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 9: it that.

1931
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 2: I think I trying to say, yeah, left hook, urgent

1932
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 2: care right hook web md Luke, That's what he was

1933
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 2: trying to say, right BC.

1934
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: Hold on real quickly. I got an update here from

1935
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, Max Brettos ESPN yeah, so he is ranking

1936
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: New Haven pizza. I know this is out of the blue,

1937
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: but he just put it up. Is this true? He says,

1938
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: there's three places in New Haven. You gotta try.

1939
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 2: I say three and a half.

1940
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: But yes, yep, Pepes, yep, Sally's, Yes, Modern, and and

1941
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: then there's one called Modern Pizza. Are say there is?

1942
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here's the deal. So the long debate. And

1943
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 2: look they're trying right now. Somebody has a bill in

1944
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 2: front of the legislator to make pizza the official state

1945
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 2: food of Connecticut, to try to further attract tourism. And look,

1946
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: if you go down a Worcester Street in New Haven,

1947
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna find real ship and it's it's tour it's

1948
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 2: a tourist trap, but it's also authentic and real. It

1949
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 2: was always Pepees against Sally's. Their next door to each other,

1950
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 2: their old school, like one still only accepts cash. You

1951
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 2: gotta wait outside forever. It's a small area. Those are

1952
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,719
Speaker 2: always the two that get the debate. And and Pepees

1953
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 2: has actually become a chain in recent years. They've got

1954
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,679
Speaker 2: locations all over Connecticut. I don't recognize those chain locations.

1955
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 2: You got to go to the source, right Pepe's is great,

1956
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 2: I've done it. I like Sally's better, but modern of late,

1957
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,560
Speaker 2: which is not in the Worcester Street area. It's a

1958
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 2: couple blocks over, I believe, on State Street. That is

1959
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 2: the one that's been coming on in recent years, where

1960
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 2: the those that know that know that, know right are like, no,

1961
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 2: that's really the one, like Pats versus Geno's Steaks in Philly,

1962
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 2: But everybody's like, no, the real Philly one is that

1963
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 2: other one down the road. I personally think it's a

1964
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 2: three and a half horse race because I came up

1965
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 2: on a place called Bar in New Haven. It's right

1966
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 2: off the Green and it's it's a bar, restaurant, nightclub

1967
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 2: type place. And they had there. I mean, they're mashed

1968
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 2: potato pizza, They're everything. It's just I think that's in

1969
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 2: the debate as well. But that again, that's New Haven style.

1970
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 2: Just look every year at the top ten best pizza

1971
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 2: places in the in the country countdown, Luke, three to

1972
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:50,719
Speaker 2: four will be in New Haven every year on that list,

1973
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 2: Like not even freaking kidding, Okay, it's worth it, Luke,

1974
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 2: But you gotta love that style. New Haven style is

1975
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 2: that thin crust sometimes charcoal oven get pizza?

1976
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Can I get pizza with meth and hypodermic needles on

1977
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: it in New Haven?

1978
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: Or not?

1979
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: Is that a thing y'all do?

1980
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: No, they don't, they don't. They no longer serve that

1981
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 2: it was problematic. But you know, if you were gonna

1982
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 2: ask me, though, like where should I really go, Luke,

1983
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 2: I would tell you, don't go to the Italians. Go

1984
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 2: to the Greeks because they put more sauce, cheese, and

1985
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,719
Speaker 2: grease on it. Okay, And Greek pizza is the real

1986
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 2: pizza where I come from my factory town. Okay, Luke,

1987
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 2: Mike's pizza palace. You know Dave Portnoy got that number

1988
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 2: wrong when he was there. Okay, better believe that, damn

1989
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 2: And Luke, I hope you always tell me like I

1990
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 2: don't know how to dress as a modern forty three

1991
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 2: year old man. I'm going to tell you don't wear

1992
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 2: those jeans that ry guy was wearing. Okay, don't don't

1993
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 2: do that? All right?

1994
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? Again? I do. You know what's amazing? Everyone dressing

1995
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,799
Speaker 1: like it's the nineties again, right, baggy pants, shiny shoes,

1996
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: band T shirts. It's like everyone is going to hot

1997
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 1: topic again. And I hate. Yeah, I hate.

1998
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:56,640
Speaker 2: And look, don't sleep on how dark and dirty Connecticut

1999
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 2: cities can be. You us think Connecticut's like country club

2000
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to show you that. No, it's there's

2001
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:01,759
Speaker 2: no one, no one.

2002
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: No one associates Connecticut with country club.

2003
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 2: Yes, they do, they do. They do around the world. Look,

2004
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 2: it's because of the per capita income on the Gold Coast.

2005
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,799
Speaker 2: I get it. But you know, Mike, you just referred

2006
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,400
Speaker 2: to it as Gunwaven New Haven. Don't forget we got

2007
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 2: hard hit in New Britain, the dirty water and Waterbury. Look, okay,

2008
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 2: we got we got some some some places that can

2009
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 2: hold up. Okay, you ever hear a place?

2010
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: But do you have knife crime on par with Glasgow, Scotland?

2011
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 2: I don't. Did you ever hear of Bridgeport, Connecticut? They

2012
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 2: said this neighborhood called father Panic Village. Luke look it

2013
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 2: up one day, Okay.

2014
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: Not if I'm not mistakenrect me if I'm wrong. Do

2015
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: you remember the band it wasn't Who was the band

2016
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 1: that had the song Mudshovel that that Fred Durst discovered?

2017
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know.

2018
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean it the song it's like it's been a while,

2019
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: isn't Stained from like like New Haven or Waterbury or something.

2020
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 2: I don't there are people in Connecticut that I grew

2021
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 2: up with that love stains, so that might exam that

2022
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 2: may explain it, Luke, Mike's saying, Mike, are you saying

2023
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 2: Stained is from Connecticut? I can't. I can't read that

2024
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 2: fast enough. I don't know, but uh, I think is

2025
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 2: Luke that was? Would you argue that I was talking

2026
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 2: about this with Bronstett the other day because the nineties,

2027
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 2: you know, a very underrated for music, because you know,

2028
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: you know, hip hop was insane, grunge took over, and

2029
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 2: I even think that post grunge period we call it

2030
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 2: alternative rock in the mid to late nineties. You know,

2031
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 2: I still stand by it and play it all the time.

2032
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 2: But the late nineties turn toward Olympus, get Kid rock

2033
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 2: and even Stained Nickelback, fucking puddle of Mud like all

2034
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 2: that sort of like what do we even call that

2035
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,560
Speaker 2: early aughts rock scene? It sucks the horn, all that

2036
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 2: rock that Jay Aaron loves, like shine Down, Luke that

2037
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 2: he says the best band of all time. Dude, Like

2038
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 2: when that stuff comes on the radio, dude, I can't

2039
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 2: click that shit fast enough watch the Woodstock ninety nine

2040
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 2: doctor reminds you how bad the the actual music of

2041
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 2: the moment was, right, not not Chili Peppers and those

2042
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 2: other legendary bands that played the music of the moment

2043
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 2: rock late nineties two thousand and you could well, I mean,

2044
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:10,839
Speaker 2: no wonder why we were all sterile.

2045
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: And I would say it's a little more early to

2046
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 1: mid nineties, like what's Tuck ninety four, and then a

2047
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: little bit after that. But you know, once once Nirvana died,

2048
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean there were some good albums that came out afterwards,

2049
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: but everything pre that is a little better than post that.

2050
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,440
Speaker 2: You gotta go to Britain. Dude, you gotta go to Radiohead.

2051
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 1: But oh, that's true. That's true the American scene. By

2052
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: the way, our our intrepid producer Mickey Mormal says, Stained

2053
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: is from Springfield, mass Okay.

2054
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 2: That makes sense because the lead singer was his name

2055
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,879
Speaker 2: Aaron Something. He used to do solo shows in Connecticut.

2056
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 2: It would sell instantly. People love that guy. Luke, I

2057
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 2: never got into Stained. I've stained a few paradungaries in

2058
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 2: my time. Luke, you better you better believe that. Hey,

2059
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 2: look there it is there, it is Hey, just a

2060
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 2: reminder though, Tank versus Ryan. First episode of All Access

2061
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 2: is April first. It's a Saturday night. This is gonna

2062
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 2: be fun. This is gonna be a fun ride to

2063
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 2: get there, all right, Luke Thomas, Topic five, we got

2064
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 2: some random quick hitters. Let's start right here. I think

2065
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,719
Speaker 2: we call this boxing. Did you see after the Miami

2066
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 2: he came the other night Jake Paul was walking out

2067
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 2: and Floyd was there with his entourage, and we got

2068
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 2: a video of what happened next? Is this TMB here there?

2069
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 2: Let's go to the video tape here?

2070
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: What's going on camera? I'm just working time?

2071
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 2: What happened?

2072
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:37,919
Speaker 1: You're not tough anymore?

2073
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 2: Since your loss?

2074
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 1: What happened since your loss?

2075
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 3: Yo?

2076
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna bust him up, guys, that's w's him up?

2077
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 1: Were you running? Jake? Where you going? Since your fight?

2078
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Since your last? What's up?

2079
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 2: Jake?

2080
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 7: Where are you going?

2081
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 3: Jake?

2082
01:38:56,160 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Oh? He's running, he's running, Looking at it, Jake Paul running?

2083
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 2: Tip?

2084
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 1: Why is he running? All right?

2085
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 2: Off of this? So, Luke, ultimately here there was an

2086
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 2: alternate angle of that in which one of Floyd's guys

2087
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 2: did kind of step to him, and that's what led

2088
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 2: to Jake running. Jake came out a couple hours later

2089
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 2: with two tweets. Here it is Floyd. If you want

2090
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 2: to fight one on one, we can do that, But

2091
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 2: don't try to hop out of three cars with twenty

2092
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 2: five dudes deep trying to jump me while I'm trying

2093
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 2: to enjoy my Wednesday night. Floyd will not see me

2094
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 2: one on one in a real fight. That's a fact.

2095
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 2: His team has hit my team numerous times to do

2096
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 2: one of the exhibitions. Now he ambushes me. Come see

2097
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 2: me in the ring, real fight, no exhibition, robbing fans, bullshit.

2098
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend here like we're both like

2099
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 2: super excited about this idea. But if this ever happened,

2100
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: I got two questions for you, Jake Paul versus Floyd

2101
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 2: in a real catchweight boxing match, not an exhibition. I

2102
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 2: don't even know if that's legally possible. A. Could you

2103
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 2: actually sell this like legitimately? And B do you think

2104
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 2: Floyd actually would be willing to take and take a

2105
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 2: real fight given the size difference against him?

2106
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Speaker 1: Don't care about any of that shit. I don't give

2107
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 1: a fuck about any of this. Let me just say this,

2108
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: if you're one of these people that watches this clip

2109
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, wow, Jake Paul really you know,

2110
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't look great on this clip. Obviously

2111
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: it's not like designed to make him look great. But

2112
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: if you think he was like the right move was

2113
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,719
Speaker 1: to fist fight in the street, You're a fucking moron.

2114
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 1: You're a more ron. Like you're in You're like beyond

2115
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 1: the point of rational comprehension. This is this means nothing.

2116
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 1: This is stupid. This is just honor culture. Bullshit. Has

2117
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the real world or anything else.

2118
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 1: It's all nonsense. And you know, it's a good, great

2119
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 1: litmus test if you looked at this and you were like, man,

2120
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: they really got Jake Paul. Yes, he doesn't lookret on

2121
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: a camera, but like, you know, he's scared to fight.

2122
01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: You're a fucking idiot just to be I don't think

2123
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 1: super clearly. Yeah, I mean maybe, Oh yes they did,

2124
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 1: Oh yes they did, dude, Yes they did.

2125
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 2: Well, there was, as Mussy reminds us, Floyd's bodyguards did

2126
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 2: beat up Jake when he stole his hat at that time.

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01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: Well okay, but he like reached for him and like

2128
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,639
Speaker 1: that was all close quarters and everyone was on top

2129
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: of each other. Yes, Melee's happened in that way or something,

2130
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,719
Speaker 1: and someone might say, right, but this is all designed

2131
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: to set up some kind of future fight, which it

2132
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,800
Speaker 1: might be too. One never even knows anymore. I just

2133
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: cannot believe some of the attitudes and being like, well,

2134
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 1: you're a fighter, you gotta fight there, motherfucker? What are you?

2135
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 3: What?

2136
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: What year are you from? Eighteen seventy three? Like, what

2137
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: are you talking about?

2138
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think anybody educated is really taking that Stanza.

2139
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 1: Okay, I hope, I hope.

2140
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 2: But look, I know I get that you don't care.

2141
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 2: I get, but Luke, the difference between floyd exhibition fight

2142
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 2: against Logan was that Logan had what like one fight

2143
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,919
Speaker 2: or two fights before that, and it was an exhibition.

2144
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 2: But still Floyd, I think it was a harder fight

2145
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 2: than he thought it would be. He said he'd never

2146
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 2: fight again after that. Well, he's been doing exhibitions every day.

2147
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: Just the other day, Floyd said on Twitter that he's

2148
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 2: gonna do like five more exhibitions this year in different countries.

2149
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 2: Fighting Jake in a real fight is different because Jake

2150
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 2: has some level of experience. Although I get in the

2151
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 2: Boxing World. The loss to Tommy Fury is sort of

2152
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 2: damning to the idea that he's a real fighter. But

2153
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 2: one of these days, Floyd's gonna sign on for something

2154
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 2: that's a bridge too far when he's a little bit

2155
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 2: too old. I don't think he takes this in any

2156
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 2: circumstance in a real fight. Isn't there some potential there that,

2157
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 2: like this could go bad because Jake is like he

2158
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 2: has a punch to him, Luke, I mean when Logan

2159
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 2: actually tried to unload on Floyd, it was.

2160
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Comical, right, Yeah, I mean comical.

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01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 2: He won by surviving with defense one like I say, win,

2162
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 2: But it was like Floyd.

2163
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: Like routinely stole on him, you know what I mean?

2164
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but Floyd, he's not doing this fight.

2165
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 2: Luca's not happening. Why are we talking about it? Let's

2166
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 2: move on.

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01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know.

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01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's gonna be a real fight. Davison Figaredo,

2169
01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 2: your former UFC Flywhite champion moving up to bantamweight. He

2170
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 2: talked with Trocaco Franco. Is that a name of a

2171
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 2: podcast or a person.

2172
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 1: Luke, that's the podcast done by giarm Cruz of MMA fighting.

2173
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for mispronouncing that. Here it is. This is

2174
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 2: what Figaredo said. I'll go up and represent I won't

2175
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 2: be just another one in the bantamweight division. I'll fight

2176
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 2: the best, no doubt about it. I respect anybody there.

2177
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 2: They were all excellent fighters, but I'm going there to

2178
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 2: do one. I've talked to my manager and we came

2179
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 2: to the conclusion that Dominick Cruz would be a great

2180
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 2: fight for a first one at one thirty five. Former champ.

2181
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm a former champ. Uh, that would be great? Are

2182
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 2: you in?

2183
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: Yeah? I take that, Okay.

2184
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:41,680
Speaker 2: I like that type of matchmaking. I do in a

2185
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 2: lot of ways, in a lot of ways to be fair,

2186
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 2: because I'm not expecting a ton out of Figaredo with

2187
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 2: the size difference in the age here in the right.

2188
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 2: But I'm excited to see if he comes out guns blazing,

2189
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:52,960
Speaker 2: if he's just like look this, you know, is he

2190
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 2: gonna pull a Chandler right now at bantamwey.

2191
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: Also like, I just don't like Figaredo's chances at bansamweight

2192
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 1: long term. Uh, that's a winnable fight. That's a winnable fight,

2193
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 1: you think, And you're like, oh, well, Dominic's old, so

2194
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: was Figaredo. Figaredo's not young, so yeah, I'd be okay

2195
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: with that.

2196
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to quick fight announcements and you just

2197
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 2: tell me whether you had any movement, Luke.

2198
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 1: Either way? All right, okay, all right?

2199
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:22,719
Speaker 2: Uh June third, UFC fight night, Mary Bueno Silva gonna

2200
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 2: take up Myra Bleno. Bueno Silva is gonna take on

2201
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 2: a returning Misha Tate. This is really happening, Luke.

2202
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 1: I saw that. Yeah, that's what way classes that? Do

2203
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 1: we have the weight class for that? Where did Silva

2204
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: fight her last fight at?

2205
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't have information on that. I haven't even heard

2206
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:39,959
Speaker 2: this bit of news.

2207
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say I saw this the other day.

2208
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 1: So let's see. In her last fight she fought Lena

2209
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: Lansberg and against Lena Lansberg, that fight was at Bansamwait

2210
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: and again before that, Stephanie Egger and that fight was

2211
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 1: also I believe let's see here, Yes that was Basa.

2212
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,560
Speaker 2: Didn't Tate tell us after tell the world after the

2213
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 2: Murphy loss that she that one twenty five just debilitated her.

2214
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: Uh? Yes, And I think she said she was ready

2215
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 1: for you know, she wasn't done with this comeback after that,

2216
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever your absence, it was bantaway. I

2217
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 1: think it's a better opportunity for Misha, and she can

2218
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 1: still wrestle, certainly, but I don't know, like she's long

2219
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: in the tooth at this point and just didn't look

2220
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 1: great at one twenty five. But I think this one's

2221
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 1: winnable for her, and I'd be curious to see what

2222
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: she has left in the proper weight.

2223
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 2: Class coststhratically, she has fine teeth, Luke, to be fair,

2224
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 2: but let's see. You want to go out on your

2225
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,640
Speaker 2: own terms here, Luke, if you got to win this

2226
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 2: to stay alive here. But yeah, bandam waight can be

2227
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 2: can be low. I'd like to see her change the

2228
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 2: nickname though, back to take down and just really work

2229
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 2: off that style, Luke. You know what I'm saying.

2230
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 1: Fair enough strike force.

2231
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 2: Right, This got me excited. May sixth, UFC two eighty

2232
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 2: eight pay per view. Is that the Miami pay per view?

2233
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,879
Speaker 2: I think no, that's the sorry, that's the the the Newark,

2234
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 2: New Jersey pay per view? Correct, yes, Sinco de Mayo

2235
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 2: there May sixth, Hey, remember we mentioned kron Gracie the

2236
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 2: other day and We're like, man, I'd love to see

2237
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 2: that guy back. So with the UFC Charles Air, Jordaane Luke,

2238
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,480
Speaker 2: this matchup rules.

2239
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 1: Love it. Jordain is certainly much more well rounded, we think,

2240
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 1: and we probably have good reason to believe he's been

2241
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 1: much more active, although he's had some you know, some

2242
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: setbacks along the way too. With Krone, it seems like

2243
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 1: ju jitsu or bust and if he can get the back,

2244
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 1: it's probably lights out for Jordain. But uh, Crone looked

2245
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 1: not great against Cub Swanson and we haven't seen him

2246
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:38,920
Speaker 1: fucking since.

2247
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 2: But would you say, see this was an argument you

2248
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 2: and I had after that fight, and people made fun

2249
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 2: of my takes on it. But Crone decided to strike

2250
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 2: with Cubb the whole fight like it wasn't in his

2251
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 2: skill set or his strength, and he went for it.

2252
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Do you see him also coming back with more of

2253
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 2: a realistic focus on the ground game or Luke, how

2254
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 2: much could he have improved that striking game? What the

2255
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 2: hell has cron Gracie been doing is you've been in

2256
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 2: the gym working on that craft. He may come back

2257
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 2: and surprise the absolute bags out of you.

2258
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't think you will, and the reason why is

2259
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 1: I think he'll come back better maybe or certainly like

2260
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 1: a better version of what we saw the last time.

2261
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 1: That that seems like not unreasonable. He does train hard,

2262
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: and he's obviously very gifted as a grappler. But you

2263
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 1: gotta remember Kron has this like he has one of

2264
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 1: the last gracies to inherit, this idea that like, you know,

2265
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:29,320
Speaker 1: you still got to win with gracy jiu jitsu, and

2266
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 1: you know he's still horse stomping into like into like

2267
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 1: takedowns rather than like you know, setting him up off

2268
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: level changes and whatnot. As long as he's committed to

2269
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: the ideology that it's gracy jiu jitsu or bust, he's

2270
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 1: not long for the UFC.

2271
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 2: So interesting take from Luke Thomas.

2272
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: You might be right.

2273
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 2: Finally, the same night May six, Nate manis is how

2274
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:50,639
Speaker 2: he pronounces it, Luke, So like, let's can you get

2275
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:55,160
Speaker 2: that right please? Against Zalgis Zumagu Love. I probably got

2276
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 2: that wrong, But do you like this fight? Luke?

2277
01:47:57,200 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? That guy thought I thought I had retired because

2278
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 1: he had been in like the rough end of poor

2279
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: decision making, at least suspect decision making. A lot of times,

2280
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 1: he's well rounded. Nate is that's a good matchup. I

2281
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: don't have a strong opinion one way or the other,

2282
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,679
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's fine fight. Okay.

2283
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 2: Recently astadded former boxing heavyweight title challenger Artur Spilka. You

2284
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 2: know of Polish fame. He's going to take on a

2285
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 2: Polish legend in a different sport. It's called MMA, Luke,

2286
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 2: It's KSW Coliseum two, and that legend is Poojia Marius Poujinowski.

2287
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 2: I didn't think in the Year of Our Lord twenty

2288
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 2: twenty three that we'd be seeing a MMA match between

2289
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 2: him and archer Spilka, but it has been a long

2290
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 2: time since Deontay Wilder nearly decapitated him, Luke, Will you

2291
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 2: get some like, you know, curious interest in this? Come

2292
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 2: whenever it is.

2293
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: I don't have a date a little bit. I'd catch

2294
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 1: the replays on social media. Yeah, I mean, KSW really

2295
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:58,560
Speaker 1: owns that Polish market. Poujinowski has been literally and figuratively

2296
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 1: huge for them and for folks who know Spilka. He

2297
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 1: was the guy that I think you mentioned obviously that

2298
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder sent to the Land of Wind and Ghosts.

2299
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: It makes sense for their brand. It makes sense for

2300
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 1: their market. It'll be sloppy and stupid as long as

2301
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 1: it lasts. So you know, come me in that.

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01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 2: May six, the weekend is always a big one in

2303
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:21,759
Speaker 2: both the sporting world, with the Kentucky Derby Championship, boxing

2304
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,679
Speaker 2: playoffs in the in the NBA and NHL, usually Yankees,

2305
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 2: Red Sox and baseball. Well, Luke and fighting this year,

2306
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna get Canelo back against probably against John Ryder,

2307
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 2: although that's not official. We're gonna get that Newark May

2308
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:37,639
Speaker 2: sixth UFC pay per view event. And down in Japan

2309
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 2: Mojo Rising. It's rising forty two, Luke in Tokyo. How

2310
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 2: about this Kayasakura versus Yuki Motoya Naoki in a way

2311
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 2: against Wan Archiletta, Roberto Satoshi against Spike Carlisle. You can

2312
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 2: move up and down there and see John Dodson on

2313
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 2: the card, Luke. Some men called yah man, it's gonna

2314
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 2: fight a custom rules about against Coita my own. I'm

2315
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 2: if I say any more names, I'll mispronounce them badly.

2316
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 2: Does this move you at all? Because you and I

2317
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 2: have debated in the past about whether we're moved by

2318
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 2: Risen events and to be fair. It was a very

2319
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 2: regrettable debate.

2320
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: Lude I'll say that I do like this again, I

2321
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 1: don't think it's a game changer. This is more about

2322
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:18,640
Speaker 1: appealing to the Japanese market, but this infusion of some

2323
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 1: talent that's not typically associated with Rizen. Obviously some names

2324
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: were kay Asakura. The Asacara brothers are a big deal

2325
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 1: over there. But you know you mentioned er, well we're

2326
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 1: Britisis certainly, but you know, Spike Carlisle being in there,

2327
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 1: one Archiletta being in there. These are guys who are

2328
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 1: either in the case of Archiletta, talented and you know,

2329
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 1: I think brings the fight to an extent smartly, but

2330
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 1: brings the fight high pace. And Spike Carlisle's just you know,

2331
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 1: I thought your description of him was the best. He's

2332
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: like one of the most fun TV fighters you can

2333
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:48,599
Speaker 1: book at MMA, So yeah, I like that. Those are fun.

2334
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Luke, you know, you can get good

2335
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 2: and you can get bad in this game, particularly in

2336
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 2: the boxing world. When unfortunately Spence Crawford doesn't get made.

2337
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 2: When we're at the doorstep, the injury will to amandus

2338
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 2: Ronald will postpone a Katie Taylor rematch we can't wait

2339
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 2: for And if you were hoping in Alexander Husick and

2340
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,879
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury, we're going to fight for all four heavyweight

2341
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 2: world titles soon. Uh not looking good apparently, So here's

2342
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,759
Speaker 2: the deal. Yesterday, Usik's team came out and said publicly,

2343
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 2: we're trying to make this fight, but as we see

2344
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:21,640
Speaker 2: things right now, we're pretty close to walking away. So

2345
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:25,000
Speaker 2: here's the deal, Luke. At some points it was felt

2346
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 2: that they had agreed to some level of a fifty

2347
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:30,880
Speaker 2: to fifty split that has since gone away. According to

2348
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 2: Team Usik, Tyson Fury is saying seventy thirty split financially

2349
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 2: in his direction or the fight doesn't happen. This is

2350
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 2: an opinion that he doubled down upon on a recent

2351
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,679
Speaker 2: social media video. Let's throw to that right now, here's

2352
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 2: the Gypsy king.

2353
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 3: All this talk of boxing fights, they want fifty who

2354
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:57,599
Speaker 3: sacks and all us Tyson's being grady. Where I'm standing, Husak,

2355
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 3: you and your team are worth thirty percent. Rather take

2356
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 3: it or you leave it. And if you don't want it,

2357
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 3: I want to fight Daniel. Do what a couple bucks

2358
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 3: and get a few million dollars if you want to

2359
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 3: make some real money. Come and fight the Gypsy King, Bob.

2360
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 3: We'll say for every day from today that you linger

2361
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:18,519
Speaker 3: mess around, I'm going to deduct one percent from the

2362
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 3: thirty percent. So every day I'm going to deduct one

2363
01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 3: percent until you take it, and if you don't take it,

2364
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 3: if I do one two million dollars not a problem.

2365
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 2: But how in the world could Jews ever offer me

2366
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:30,719
Speaker 2: a deal?

2367
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 1: Not?

2368
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 3: Possibly? TikTok TikTok posses.

2369
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 2: So Tyson has one of four recognized titles. Zusik has

2370
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 2: all three from the two fight series with aj But

2371
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 2: we talked before about Tank and Ryan. Somebody's gotta be

2372
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 2: the a side that potentially have leverage. How do you

2373
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 2: rate the decision making here, because like, look, is he

2374
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 2: afraid of Usik? No, But there's no question Tyson has

2375
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 2: other options and Ghanu's out there, like you know what

2376
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean. He wants to fight Anthony Joshua. He wants

2377
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 2: to fight Joe Joyce in big domestic fights. Is this

2378
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:09,679
Speaker 2: an understandable stance business wise from such a big star.

2379
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: Gives me the sense he doesn't want to fight. I

2380
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 1: don't know that, can't prove it, just an opinion, just

2381
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 1: a hunch, no more than that. But the more this

2382
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,919
Speaker 1: goes on, I'm just I've become less and less convinced

2383
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 1: he really wants that. I get. I do agree that

2384
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 1: even though he's got the one belt and Usik's got

2385
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 1: the other three, promotionally it would not make sense to

2386
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 1: have Usik versus Fury. It would make much more sense

2387
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 1: to have Fury versus Usik. Just gonna sell a lot

2388
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: more that way. He is the much, much, much bigger

2389
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 1: star than Usik. I don't think you can really count

2390
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 1: that out and discount that. And to the extent of

2391
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: this fight makes any money, It's gonna make money, yes,

2392
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,600
Speaker 1: because of the history and everything else and the significance

2393
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: and the four belts, and we've talked about that at nauseum,

2394
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a spectacle because of Tyson Fury.

2395
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 1: That's really what the reality is here. So I understand

2396
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,720
Speaker 1: his leveraging, but I don't know. I just don't come

2397
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 1: away from any of these things get the sense that

2398
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: he's like desperate to make this fighter, really wants it. Yeah,

2399
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:05,759
Speaker 1: you're putting other options, and I think he's like, Eh,

2400
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:07,720
Speaker 1: if it happens, great, If it doesn't, great, too, and

2401
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,480
Speaker 1: that puts us in a weird spot.

2402
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 2: And I do think t Musik knowing a bit peripherally

2403
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:16,599
Speaker 2: about being around them. Luke, I don't think they're gonna

2404
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 2: give in. I mean, I would hope as a boxing

2405
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,679
Speaker 2: fan that they would. But you're asking a guy who's

2406
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 2: in Usik, who's undefeated, was the undisputed champion of Cruiseright

2407
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,559
Speaker 2: now is doing monster things, gold medalist all that. I

2408
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:30,719
Speaker 2: think they have too much pride to say we're gonna

2409
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 2: come in with three belts and you want us to

2410
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 2: take thirty percent just because this will be my biggest payday.

2411
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,360
Speaker 2: I have bad feelings and unfortunately, Luke and our in

2412
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 2: boxing like it's like, but look is the narrative that

2413
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 2: boxing is dead that constantly resurfaces, overplayed and not true. Yes,

2414
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 2: but we still have these problems here. We still legitimately

2415
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 2: have these problems here boxing.

2416
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 1: Boxing is not dead, but it is definitely dysfunctional, right.

2417
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely Finally under the terms of quick hit, Luke,

2418
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 2: you know my guy Big Tuna Ben Parish from Arkansas.

2419
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 2: You remember when he went into Bellatour and his debut

2420
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,760
Speaker 2: and who did he knock out? Big upset win. That

2421
01:55:08,840 --> 01:55:10,440
Speaker 2: was against Edwards.

2422
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 1: Right, I'll look it up while you do that. I

2423
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:13,920
Speaker 1: don't remember either.

2424
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, you know Ben Ben Parrish is coming off

2425
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 2: a loss to Sullivan Colly in Bellatour. He was a

2426
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 2: surprise attraction there with that big upset. But his story,

2427
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 2: his persona, his aggressiveness. They're coming back Friday, March twenty fourth,

2428
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 2: under the LFA banner Niagara Falls, New York, LFA one

2429
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 2: p fifty five. Your featured and attraction at two five

2430
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:42,760
Speaker 2: Big Tuna Ben Parrish versus Glory kickboxer Joe Taylor. Are

2431
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:47,120
Speaker 2: you in, Luke? Friday night, May twenty All.

2432
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:49,080
Speaker 1: Is in for Big Tuna, A big fan of him.

2433
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 1: I know you are as well. You're right. He had

2434
01:55:51,320 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 1: the win over Christian Edwards and then the loss of

2435
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:57,560
Speaker 1: Sullivan College. So Callie surprisingly has a pretty good ground

2436
01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:00,840
Speaker 1: pound So that to me is not that you know,

2437
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 1: that's not that devastating a loss in terms like a

2438
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:06,320
Speaker 1: good name you fought. So we'll see how he does

2439
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: against Joe Taylor. But I'm always happy to see a

2440
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 1: big two in the back, one of the much more

2441
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: unique personalities in the sport. And yeah, we like him

2442
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: over here.

2443
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he shouted us out there on Instagram yesterday and

2444
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,400
Speaker 2: I was a big fan there. Look, let's close here

2445
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 2: in terms of setting the weekend straight by setting our

2446
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 2: picks in order, we do a new segment called Okay Bet,

2447
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 2: where you and I go head to head every week

2448
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 2: five picks, in which we picked the biggest main event,

2449
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 2: an upset choice, a favorite to win, an over under

2450
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 2: in terms of which fight will either go the distance

2451
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,320
Speaker 2: or not. I know that's not really over under, but

2452
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 2: that's what we're calling it, and obviously the final one,

2453
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 2: which is a little bit of a bonus at times

2454
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:47,920
Speaker 2: if you can nail it perfectly, pick a fight and

2455
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 2: tell me whether it ends in ko or submission. Our

2456
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 2: updated standings after last week. We talked about this on Monday.

2457
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 2: You went three and two. I went two and three

2458
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 2: after some heartbreaking losses are updated. Luke Thomas eighteen and eleven.

2459
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 2: I am seven picks back at eleven and eighteen. But Luke,

2460
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 2: if you can remember where I started from, I'm going

2461
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:11,000
Speaker 2: to tell you this. I think you hear me knocking,

2462
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 2: and I think I'm coming in Yep, like an STD Luke,

2463
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 2: you dabble in that area. Can't avoid it, You can't

2464
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 2: keep me away from this. I'm coming for it.

2465
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 1: Can we start this two hours in? Can we start this?

2466
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, suld we should hurry up. You're right, we

2467
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 2: should hurry up. I've learned that in that great GSP debate.

2468
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 1: No, all right, what you misunderstood was there's a time

2469
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:37,480
Speaker 1: to hit the gas when it matters and a time

2470
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 1: to hit the brakes when it matters. And you can

2471
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 1: fine too.

2472
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 2: I regularly welcomed your exit into the Connecticut Pizza debate, Luke,

2473
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 2: can you regularly entertain my absolute bullshit here? Okay, because

2474
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 2: it's all I got?

2475
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:49,480
Speaker 1: All right, that's fair, that's fine.

2476
01:57:49,480 --> 01:57:52,000
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. You have champions advantage? Are you going first

2477
01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 2: or second?

2478
01:57:52,520 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 1: Today? I'll go first. I don't feel very great about

2479
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 1: these picks, but we're going to do our best with them.

2480
01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,560
Speaker 1: So for we go main event first, if I'm not mistaken.

2481
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:04,040
Speaker 1: Uh So we have a rule. Obviously we can't. You

2482
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 1: can't have someone who's had like an eight minus eight

2483
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:08,240
Speaker 1: billion favorite and pick him for your main event. Numberga

2484
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 1: madeoff is the minus you know whatever it was favorite.

2485
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:12,920
Speaker 1: So he's out. So we had to go to the

2486
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 1: UFC or I guess you could have done boxing two,

2487
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 1: I suppose, but in this case we went with Mma.

2488
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Yan over Dewaalasheeley. Now it's close. I

2489
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 1: do think that Morob has we talked about it, such

2490
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:31,520
Speaker 1: a his his cardio is such a problem for everybody.

2491
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 1: But Yan is so skilled. I would be surprised if

2492
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 1: he suffers yet another loss back to back to back

2493
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,840
Speaker 1: or whatever it is at this point, and I just

2494
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:42,960
Speaker 1: feel like, you see, he's got too many ways to win,

2495
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,560
Speaker 1: too many ways to win. You know what's coming. There's

2496
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 1: no elevation factor here. Yan should win.

2497
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 2: I agree with you fully. I think that of anyone

2498
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 2: who's got three losses in four fights, this is the

2499
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:56,680
Speaker 2: most deceiving to a large degree in that obviously the

2500
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 2: DQ is his fault. Al Joe had a great night

2501
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,640
Speaker 2: the rematch and won it. No one's necessarily arguing that,

2502
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:06,360
Speaker 2: although there's a few truthers out there, I love Morab Devojevilli,

2503
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:09,000
Speaker 2: but the Jan has too many ways to win. And

2504
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 2: the reason why we went away from that Bellatore main

2505
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:13,680
Speaker 2: event is ultimately because we're both gonna pick Husmanner Maga Metov.

2506
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:16,440
Speaker 2: It turns out, Luke, we are both picking Payota Yan

2507
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:18,960
Speaker 2: in this one out almost pulled the trigger on Morab,

2508
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,080
Speaker 2: but I've got to go with the chalk here because

2509
01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:22,880
Speaker 2: I believe in this guy to get back in that

2510
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 2: title picture, Luke. The second category we always do is

2511
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:29,120
Speaker 2: pick a favorite anywhere across the combat sports world minus

2512
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:32,240
Speaker 2: three hundred in under or so. Who you got this week?

2513
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we mentioned him before he's taken on Jonathan Martinez.

2514
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Sayid Numerga Medov. Martinez I think started

2515
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 1: a little bit slow or not super impressive all that

2516
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 1: much in his UFC run. Early he was beating good names,

2517
01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 1: but you know he's getting a lot of decisions, and

2518
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,160
Speaker 1: then finally he fought Cup Swanson and he put him

2519
01:59:50,160 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 1: away with leg kicks. He's devastating in that way, but

2520
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 1: I just feel like a guy like number Gomedo is

2521
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:56,200
Speaker 1: gonna be able to wrap up with him, control him,

2522
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 1: not be at the same kind of mercy, and he

2523
01:59:59,240 --> 02:00:02,280
Speaker 1: is favorite to win, not heavily because Martinez is vastly improved,

2524
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:04,000
Speaker 1: but I like say, you're never gonna made off among

2525
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:06,160
Speaker 1: my favorites. Too. Fit the criteria to get his hand

2526
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:07,400
Speaker 1: raised on Saturday.

2527
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:10,400
Speaker 2: Minus two forty five. According to Caesars is your favorite

2528
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:13,680
Speaker 2: cieed Jonathan Martinez was very tough plus two to zero five.

2529
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 2: That should be a very good fight, Luke, going the

2530
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 2: direction of Mma is winning his family at this point.

2531
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,160
Speaker 2: Let's be fair about that, whether they're related or not. Luke,

2532
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:23,160
Speaker 2: you got a Margo Metof in your name, Dude, you're

2533
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:27,240
Speaker 2: Normalga met Off, Mago med Magomed caram Off. I mean, look,

2534
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 2: people win with those names. Okay. My favorite, though, is

2535
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:31,880
Speaker 2: gonna go to that slot fest on that belt or

2536
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:36,000
Speaker 2: undercard light heavyweights are gonna bang minus one eighty Lithuania.

2537
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 2: We back baby Julius and Glitzkis continuing on in the

2538
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:43,240
Speaker 2: combat fames and the precedent set by me ros Nami

2539
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:49,080
Speaker 2: Unis or Vitus Bonis. Okay, Lithuanian pride uh dovlits On Yakshimerdov.

2540
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:51,160
Speaker 2: It's at belt or two ninety two. Luke, this is

2541
02:00:51,200 --> 02:00:54,200
Speaker 2: a very even flip the coin fight. They're gonna throw punches.

2542
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:57,000
Speaker 2: I just think, and Glitzkis has shown us suggest a

2543
02:00:57,080 --> 02:00:59,640
Speaker 2: little bit more in his steps up to better competition.

2544
02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 2: I like him to get the edge by decision here

2545
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:04,200
Speaker 2: as my favorite, let's go to upset pick me a

2546
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:06,760
Speaker 2: winner here, Luke, Well.

2547
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:08,720
Speaker 1: This one I don't feel great about. But I'm trying

2548
02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:12,320
Speaker 1: to trying to, like, you know, see where I could,

2549
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, find the right one. I don't feel super

2550
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,080
Speaker 1: confident about it, but I'm gonna pick half all Sunsaow

2551
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:21,200
Speaker 1: over Gravy excuse to be Davy Grant. The odds are

2552
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:22,800
Speaker 1: very close. Pee if you look him up, I don't

2553
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 1: have him in front of me. I think that's like

2554
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:26,760
Speaker 1: plus or minus one hundred in either direction. Davy Grant

2555
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:29,240
Speaker 1: did get the win over Lewis Smoka in his last bout,

2556
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:31,640
Speaker 1: but he has lost to Adrian yan Yees and Marlon

2557
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:33,240
Speaker 1: Verraa And you're like, well, okay, but those guys are

2558
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:35,360
Speaker 1: really really good, and he took young Yes to a

2559
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:38,440
Speaker 1: split decision. Still, Sunsow is crafty. He is hit a

2560
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:39,920
Speaker 1: ble and I do think the speed might be a

2561
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 1: bit of a problem for him. It's close, man, it's close.

2562
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,680
Speaker 1: But I just wonder if this guy is crafty enough

2563
02:01:44,680 --> 02:01:49,440
Speaker 1: to get another closely contested kind of smothering win, slowing

2564
02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:52,000
Speaker 1: the fight down a little bit. We shall see. I'm

2565
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:53,879
Speaker 1: gonna take a bit of a flyer on a Sunsow.

2566
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:58,080
Speaker 2: Davy grant minus one forty plus one ten. The veteran

2567
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:01,200
Speaker 2: A Sunsow should be a good one. I like that pick. Indeed,

2568
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:03,280
Speaker 2: let's go to my underdog, luc and it's that heavyweight

2569
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 2: fight that I love. The Komin event of UFC Vegas

2570
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 2: this weekend from the Virgin Hotels. Remember, I'm taking Alexander

2571
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:13,520
Speaker 2: Volkov plus one thirty Luke. I've ridden this train before

2572
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:16,920
Speaker 2: and I've fallen off of it. Alexander Romanov has the

2573
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:20,600
Speaker 2: larger upside, for sure. I expect him to be in

2574
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 2: better shape, and I expect him to look to grind

2575
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 2: with that wrestling. But people don't tend to physically dominate Volkov. Okay,

2576
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 2: and still Tom Esperaul went in there and subbed him

2577
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:31,880
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Yes, I get that. That's I break

2578
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 2: through performance. I think Volkov is still on the thirty four.

2579
02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:37,640
Speaker 2: He's gonna be able to keep some distance. He's gonna

2580
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:39,880
Speaker 2: be able to get up off the ground too. Eventually.

2581
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 2: I like his ability here as the underdog to take

2582
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:45,480
Speaker 2: a flyer. I'm the more skilled fighter to try to

2583
02:02:45,480 --> 02:02:48,000
Speaker 2: pick him apart, teach him a few things from distance

2584
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:50,600
Speaker 2: and get a surprise somebody I don't know if it's surprising,

2585
02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:52,960
Speaker 2: depends what side of the tracks you're on between this

2586
02:02:53,320 --> 02:02:56,960
Speaker 2: battle of Alexander's. I'm going Volkov plus one thirty, all.

2587
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:59,520
Speaker 1: Right, So if we're over under, I'm gonna take the over.

2588
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:03,040
Speaker 1: Mini think it's gonna go the distance between Tafiite Musayev

2589
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:05,680
Speaker 1: and Alexander Shavli. And here's why I'm gonna say that

2590
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:09,800
Speaker 1: these both of these guys are very devastating. Like it is,

2591
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:13,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about two guys who can strike, who can wrestle,

2592
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:16,560
Speaker 1: who can who got good experience beaten other high level

2593
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:20,440
Speaker 1: guys like these These two are legit. But I also

2594
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:23,120
Speaker 1: feel like they're gonna cancel each other out a little

2595
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:24,960
Speaker 1: bit because it's gonna be hard to land on the

2596
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 1: other guy. They're gonna take not no risk. I think

2597
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:29,920
Speaker 1: there's gonna be risk involved, but not as much, and

2598
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,360
Speaker 1: so there might be a clear winner. One guy might

2599
02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:33,720
Speaker 1: get a little bit more beaten up than the other

2600
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,879
Speaker 1: in the end. Hell, obviously, either these guys can kill anybody,

2601
02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:39,240
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling that because it is so

2602
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:41,920
Speaker 1: tough and they are so closely matched, this one's gonna

2603
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:44,360
Speaker 1: go the distance. Hard to say that's my pick.

2604
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me go to Belatoor two ninety two. I'm

2605
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 2: taking the over. It will go the distance, three rounds.

2606
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:53,520
Speaker 2: Lytton Vissel, Valentine Moldowski. We're gonna see a wrestle fest here, Luke.

2607
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:56,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna see a nice bounce back performance from Moldovski,

2608
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:58,640
Speaker 2: but he's gonna win it by decision. It will go

2609
02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:00,440
Speaker 2: the distance. I feel like that's the lay up and

2610
02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm taking it.

2611
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:03,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's a layup. But I almost want that

2612
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:04,840
Speaker 1: one too. I think you're right, that's probably the other

2613
02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:07,480
Speaker 1: one I would have gone with for sure. All Right,

2614
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:09,600
Speaker 1: So for KO or sub, you gotta pick one fight

2615
02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:12,880
Speaker 1: and TKO slash KO or sub. Now you see, let

2616
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:15,360
Speaker 1: me clarify the rules here. What if the fight I'm

2617
02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:19,360
Speaker 1: about to pick ends in KO and I picked TKO.

2618
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:22,680
Speaker 2: It's either by yeah, it's either it's TKO or KO,

2619
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:26,000
Speaker 2: which they're both knockouts right in the name, or a submission.

2620
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:27,240
Speaker 2: You don't have to pick the fighter. You have to

2621
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:28,560
Speaker 2: pick the fight and the stipulation.

2622
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:31,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm gonna go with the Ko side for

2623
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:34,840
Speaker 1: krilov Span, I just have a hard time seeing how

2624
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 1: that one goes the distance. Obviously, any fight could And

2625
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:39,480
Speaker 1: you know we were there last week when you had

2626
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:42,440
Speaker 1: picked Garbrant to the Garbrandt to who was he fighting?

2627
02:04:42,440 --> 02:04:45,960
Speaker 1: I forget to Trevan Jones, Yeah, to not go the distance.

2628
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:47,200
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a great pick, and then sure

2629
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:49,960
Speaker 1: enough it goes the distance. But here you know the

2630
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:52,480
Speaker 1: guys who both make a lot of mistakes. One guy's

2631
02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 1: heavy handed, another guy is a very good striker, aggressive.

2632
02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:57,839
Speaker 1: It just seems like that one's destined for a finish

2633
02:04:58,040 --> 02:05:00,560
Speaker 1: could be in the submission side. I'm gonna guess a strike.

2634
02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:02,040
Speaker 1: That's my pick, all right.

2635
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:04,600
Speaker 2: Showtime boxing is my sub KO pick, Luke, there's no

2636
02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:07,120
Speaker 2: subs in Showtime these days on the boxing side, But

2637
02:05:07,160 --> 02:05:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm taking the ko. Your analysis of what could happen

2638
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:12,920
Speaker 2: here in Zoo Harrison I felt was perfect. It's the

2639
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:15,520
Speaker 2: same preview that Tim Zuo ultimately gave me. But I

2640
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:18,360
Speaker 2: think it's true. Can Tony Harrison win this one? Absolutely?

2641
02:05:18,440 --> 02:05:20,680
Speaker 2: Do you have the power to win this one by knockout?

2642
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:22,920
Speaker 2: And if he does, I still get this right, absolutely,

2643
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:25,640
Speaker 2: But Tim Zu's gonna put on that pressure throughout and

2644
02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:28,120
Speaker 2: as crafty as Tony Harrison is, even if he's up

2645
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:30,680
Speaker 2: on the rounds like he was against both Swift Herd

2646
02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:33,280
Speaker 2: and Jamel Charlow when he lost by knockouts to both.

2647
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:36,480
Speaker 2: I feel this is inevitable on Australian soil, that Tim

2648
02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:40,880
Speaker 2: Zoo gets his breakout moment by stoppage welcoming Jamel Charlow

2649
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:43,840
Speaker 2: all four belts. Maybe July, we'll see what happens. Those

2650
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 2: are our five picks. Up and down, Luke for oka bet,

2651
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm down seven to you. You've been you've been the

2652
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:52,120
Speaker 2: leader in this game. But there's still time for you

2653
02:05:52,160 --> 02:05:54,760
Speaker 2: to show up at like a weird jazz fusion concert

2654
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,680
Speaker 2: event with the cameras. There still time.

2655
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:59,960
Speaker 1: All right, we shall see, we shall already.

2656
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:03,360
Speaker 2: We close quickly here with two dead wrongs. Luke. We

2657
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:07,240
Speaker 2: know that email Morning Combat at gmail dot com allows

2658
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:08,840
Speaker 2: you the fan to say, look, guys, you know you

2659
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 2: guys are okay, like I subscribe to you. But that

2660
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:15,200
Speaker 2: opinion you had, that fact you tried to portray those clothes,

2661
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,040
Speaker 2: that hair cut. I did die my hair, Luke, Am

2662
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:18,720
Speaker 2: I looking younger?

2663
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:23,480
Speaker 1: Did I turn to the side on the side. Yeah,

2664
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:25,560
Speaker 1: it's not bad. That's not bad. It's not bad.

2665
02:06:25,560 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 2: My wife didn't notice. And I'm like I'm doing this

2666
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:30,640
Speaker 2: for you, Okay, okay, I love you.

2667
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 1: What about my hair dye? You like my hair dye?

2668
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah it's great. It's called dead wrong and you better

2669
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:37,880
Speaker 2: ever receipt. Okay, yeah, dead wrong.

2670
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:38,320
Speaker 1: There you go.

2671
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:43,440
Speaker 2: All right, we've got angry male viewers, Yes we do.

2672
02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:46,400
Speaker 2: Let's talk. Let's hear from Wes on on Monday Show.

2673
02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:48,560
Speaker 2: I should have corrected this in real time, damn it.

2674
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 2: Luke referred to bush Light as beast Light, but the

2675
02:06:54,200 --> 02:07:00,320
Speaker 2: term beast refers to Milwaukee's best beer, not Bush I know,

2676
02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 2: because that's the cheap shit my dad used to drink,

2677
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:05,720
Speaker 2: says Wes. PS hope you laughed at the Predator insta

2678
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:07,880
Speaker 2: post I tagged you in Luke, did you laugh at

2679
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:08,520
Speaker 2: Wes's book?

2680
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw it. Unfortunately, maybe we.

2681
02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:13,680
Speaker 2: Were blocked and you just don't know it.

2682
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's not blocked. I he might be, who knows,

2683
02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:18,840
Speaker 1: but uh, I'll take that out. He's right. Fuck. I

2684
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:21,960
Speaker 1: can't believe boy, you got BC. It's time to revoke

2685
02:07:22,040 --> 02:07:25,400
Speaker 1: my fraternity card because you shouldn't have ever been into

2686
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:27,480
Speaker 1: college fraternity and not know that. But sure enough, I

2687
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:29,640
Speaker 1: fucked that one up. So yeah, it's an l I.

2688
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:31,200
Speaker 2: Drink a lot of bet light in my time, in

2689
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:33,880
Speaker 2: the early two thousands of sad. Dude, look my saddest days.

2690
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:36,000
Speaker 2: There was b slight in my hand, my vet, like

2691
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:37,160
Speaker 2: the extreme sad days.

2692
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:37,400
Speaker 3: You know.

2693
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you ever had an n Y the NYC

2694
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,760
Speaker 1: or excuse me, the NYPD, ever wake you up with

2695
02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:45,040
Speaker 1: a nightstick because you were sleeping on some strangers door.

2696
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:48,480
Speaker 1: Mat Oh, I didn't go there, Tho, Yeah that happened

2697
02:07:48,480 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 1: to me. Wow. Wow.

2698
02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:53,200
Speaker 2: But if you're drinking be slight there there's a there's

2699
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:55,200
Speaker 2: probably a reason, Luke. I mean, have you ever had

2700
02:07:55,240 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 2: a credit card with a three hundred dollars limit and

2701
02:07:57,680 --> 02:07:59,960
Speaker 2: you maxed it out buying a case of bud Can?

2702
02:08:00,240 --> 02:08:02,400
Speaker 2: Because I did that in my early twenties a lot, Luke.

2703
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:05,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I had some bad moments. I've had some movie.

2704
02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:09,400
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I've never here's my one here's

2705
02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:11,960
Speaker 1: the one piece of ship move I've actually never done.

2706
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:16,080
Speaker 1: I've never shoplifted at a liquor store. I've never shopped now.

2707
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:19,360
Speaker 1: I've shoplifted many other places, but I always felt like

2708
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:20,440
Speaker 1: I gotta pay for this.

2709
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:24,600
Speaker 2: This is yeah, you know, there's not a big shoplifting. Yeah,

2710
02:08:24,640 --> 02:08:25,640
Speaker 2: well I have a run out.

2711
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 1: Of shoplifting is great, let's just be very real about it.

2712
02:08:28,440 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, Luke. I always feel like

2713
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:32,960
Speaker 2: every bad thing my friend Bogo and I always say this,

2714
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:35,680
Speaker 2: every bad thing that happened to us after Game seven

2715
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:37,560
Speaker 2: of the two thousand and one World Series was because

2716
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:39,960
Speaker 2: we walked out on that bill after the Yankees lost,

2717
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I like that.

2718
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:44,360
Speaker 1: No, but that's not shoplifting. That's just dine and dash.

2719
02:08:44,440 --> 02:08:47,120
Speaker 2: That's different that shoplifting. It's just the same. Somebody had

2720
02:08:47,160 --> 02:08:48,800
Speaker 2: to cover that in their tips, and I feel bad

2721
02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:49,640
Speaker 2: whoever that girl is.

2722
02:08:49,720 --> 02:08:52,360
Speaker 1: Dude, But if you're shoplifting inventory from the store owner,

2723
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't it's not That's not the same as like

2724
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:58,600
Speaker 1: taking money from the person who waited on you at

2725
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:00,240
Speaker 1: a table. That's not quite the same.

2726
02:09:00,720 --> 02:09:01,880
Speaker 2: What about stealing jokes?

2727
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:02,160
Speaker 1: Luke?

2728
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:04,160
Speaker 2: What about Dennis Larry? Is that shoplifting?

2729
02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:08,920
Speaker 1: It's a certain kind of It's yeah, it's bad, old

2730
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:09,240
Speaker 1: Bill hit.

2731
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:10,360
Speaker 2: What about to stealing takes?

2732
02:09:12,920 --> 02:09:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, all.

2733
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:17,200
Speaker 2: Right, there we go. Finally this is Kevin sliding in.

2734
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:20,640
Speaker 2: Hey guys, so Luke, I love you, but wow, I'm

2735
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:22,520
Speaker 2: not even sure how to write this dead wrong because

2736
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:24,400
Speaker 2: I think Luke had a stroke when he was making

2737
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:25,600
Speaker 2: his arguments on Monday.

2738
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:27,560
Speaker 1: He even read the peat mail. Hold on, he sent

2739
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 1: me this email. By the way, everything you're almost everything

2740
02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:32,680
Speaker 1: you're about to read is also wrong. I had a

2741
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:34,680
Speaker 1: back and forth with this guy, so I'm going to

2742
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:36,280
Speaker 1: correct it at the end, but feel free to read

2743
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:37,320
Speaker 1: his very wrong right.

2744
02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:39,800
Speaker 2: Kevin says. Luke even said he looked this up and

2745
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:41,840
Speaker 2: did the math before the show. So first, Luke was

2746
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:44,960
Speaker 2: saying that his opponent's average age was twenty nine for

2747
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:47,760
Speaker 2: gspn thirty two for John, So he's trying to argue

2748
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:50,000
Speaker 2: that GESP fought more guys than their prime I think,

2749
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:52,880
Speaker 2: even though thirty two is definitely still prime. But then

2750
02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 2: he goes on to say that the first guy GSP

2751
02:09:54,720 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 2: fought in his twenties was condent, which I think he's

2752
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:59,160
Speaker 2: trying to say the guys he fought were old. I

2753
02:09:59,200 --> 02:10:02,640
Speaker 2: don't know, anyways, this statement was very incorrect. He fought

2754
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:05,280
Speaker 2: BJ Penn in nine when BJ was twenty nine. He

2755
02:10:05,320 --> 02:10:07,800
Speaker 2: fought Thiago the same year, when he was twenty six.

2756
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:10,280
Speaker 2: He fought Dan Hardy the next year, when Hardy was

2757
02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:13,240
Speaker 2: twenty seven. I was so confused, like BC during the show,

2758
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:15,720
Speaker 2: I honestly don't know what Luke was trying to argue.

2759
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:17,640
Speaker 2: It was all over the place. You need to go

2760
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:20,160
Speaker 2: back and rewatch the show around the twenty one minute mark.

2761
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:23,560
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, do you have anything to say about the

2762
02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:26,560
Speaker 2: stroke you had on here on Monday? Because it wasn't

2763
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:30,680
Speaker 2: virtually that you didn't. Here's the thing, you didn't answer

2764
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:33,360
Speaker 2: the question. You were the one that said GSP's argument

2765
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:35,920
Speaker 2: resume was better, not me. All I did was ask you.

2766
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:38,120
Speaker 1: To exact he I'd say his resume was better because

2767
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:39,760
Speaker 1: he has losses on it. I said his strength of

2768
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:40,480
Speaker 1: schedule was talking.

2769
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so strength of schedule, which which is close. But

2770
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:45,680
Speaker 2: the point is you said that, and I'm just sort

2771
02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:49,520
Speaker 2: of like, wait, that's not an impossible statement. But I

2772
02:10:49,600 --> 02:10:52,760
Speaker 2: needed it explained. You didn't explain it, all right, So

2773
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:53,040
Speaker 2: let me.

2774
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:54,720
Speaker 1: Cop Let me let me cop to two things a

2775
02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:57,560
Speaker 1: backup step here. One, I did a poor job of

2776
02:10:57,680 --> 02:11:00,640
Speaker 1: arguing for it like that. I'll acknowledge that up front.

2777
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:04,520
Speaker 1: I was so focused on just the conversation around Matt

2778
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:06,920
Speaker 1: Sarah and what that loss to me signifies for their

2779
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:09,200
Speaker 1: resumes that when you ask me, I just kind of

2780
02:11:09,240 --> 02:11:12,680
Speaker 1: my brain just I didn't I didn't have a great answer.

2781
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,880
Speaker 1: So I will admit that what this guy is talking

2782
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:19,160
Speaker 1: about is mostly wrong. Now here's the one part in

2783
02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:21,440
Speaker 1: addition to like as a broader statement like what I got,

2784
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:23,840
Speaker 1: I didn't do a good job of arguing, but what

2785
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:26,160
Speaker 1: he misunderstands, this is the one part I got wrong.

2786
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:30,400
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre has two pairs of fights back to back

2787
02:11:30,440 --> 02:11:33,200
Speaker 1: where the opponents were twenty somethings. So at twenty something

2788
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:35,000
Speaker 1: twenty something, that a bunch of thirty year olds the

2789
02:11:35,120 --> 02:11:39,080
Speaker 1: twenty something twenty something. I had said that the first

2790
02:11:39,160 --> 02:11:41,640
Speaker 1: guy that Saint Pierre had fought who wasn't in his

2791
02:11:41,680 --> 02:11:45,160
Speaker 1: thirties was Condit. That is not correct. The first one

2792
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:47,440
Speaker 1: was I believe Dan Hardy, and then I think, oh, no,

2793
02:11:47,480 --> 02:11:50,240
Speaker 1: excuse me, Tago Alvez and then Dan Hardy. So the

2794
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 1: two pairs of twenty somethings are Alves Hardy and then

2795
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:57,160
Speaker 1: the other one are Condit Das. I mixed those two up,

2796
02:11:57,600 --> 02:12:00,720
Speaker 1: but he didn't listen because what I It said was

2797
02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about just title fight opponents, right, And when

2798
02:12:05,480 --> 02:12:09,880
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre fought Penn for a title. Saint Pierre was

2799
02:12:09,960 --> 02:12:13,360
Speaker 1: thirty years excuse me, Penn was thirty years old, right,

2800
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,839
Speaker 1: So the he only fought four guys in their twenties,

2801
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:18,960
Speaker 1: two pairs it was, as indicated, Alves and Hardy and

2802
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:21,520
Speaker 1: then Condit and DS. Those are the ones I had mentioned.

2803
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:23,480
Speaker 1: So the only part about that I had really fucked

2804
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:26,360
Speaker 1: up was I said it was Condit. It's actually Alvez.

2805
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:29,080
Speaker 1: This guy thought I was talking about all their opponents

2806
02:12:29,120 --> 02:12:32,160
Speaker 1: in terms of their age, just okay, but title fight opponents.

2807
02:12:32,200 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 2: That's even that point though. So essentially what you were

2808
02:12:35,480 --> 02:12:37,280
Speaker 2: trying to say, which I tried to basically say, is

2809
02:12:37,320 --> 02:12:39,920
Speaker 2: this what you're trying to say that that the argument

2810
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:43,080
Speaker 2: you were using ultimately is that GSP's resume or quality

2811
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:45,000
Speaker 2: of competition or whatever you want to say, even as champion,

2812
02:12:45,080 --> 02:12:46,760
Speaker 2: is slightly better. And that's what it can only be

2813
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:49,240
Speaker 2: slightly because we're talking about two legends here all the

2814
02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:52,240
Speaker 2: time grades that it was because he had fought I

2815
02:12:52,240 --> 02:12:55,080
Speaker 2: guess in theory younger, more prime guys. But if these

2816
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 2: guys in general that are below thirty are only like

2817
02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:00,320
Speaker 2: this guy said twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, that

2818
02:13:00,360 --> 02:13:02,840
Speaker 2: doesn't always be an advantage. Guys a lot of times

2819
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,680
Speaker 2: suffer losses early and they're a lot better at thirty

2820
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:08,000
Speaker 2: two and thirty three than they are sometimes guys like

2821
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:09,800
Speaker 2: you know, you kept going back to Thiago Alvas. I'm

2822
02:13:09,800 --> 02:13:12,480
Speaker 2: not here to say Thiago Alvas wasn't dangerous and great

2823
02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:14,480
Speaker 2: up to the point of fighting GSP.

2824
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:17,040
Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine. He was borderline unstoppable.

2825
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:17,640
Speaker 9: He was.

2826
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 2: But my whole point is like a lot of guys

2827
02:13:21,480 --> 02:13:24,200
Speaker 2: look unstoppable in their twenties then suffer first loss and

2828
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:27,360
Speaker 2: not everybody ever can regain that dude. To me, John

2829
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:31,160
Speaker 2: thought the best competition, like by far, So what's your

2830
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:33,120
Speaker 2: real because I don't think that's the reason to say, well,

2831
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:35,520
Speaker 2: his guys were younger. I mean that's relative. Do you

2832
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:37,600
Speaker 2: know you see changes that argument?

2833
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:40,360
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no again, so again I did such a

2834
02:13:40,360 --> 02:13:42,040
Speaker 1: poor job. And there's so many different elements to this.

2835
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:45,040
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, be see between you and I,

2836
02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:49,160
Speaker 1: I am not arguing that because they are younger relatively

2837
02:13:49,200 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 1: speaking for the title fights. The argument is not that

2838
02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:54,400
Speaker 1: there's a three year gap. The same Pierre ones are

2839
02:13:54,440 --> 02:13:57,000
Speaker 1: twenty nine, which they are, and then the ones for John,

2840
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:59,360
Speaker 1: for title fights are thirty two, which they are, those

2841
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:03,400
Speaker 1: numbers are. It's that I was just sort of making

2842
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:06,280
Speaker 1: a point that in general, I think if you're getting

2843
02:14:06,360 --> 02:14:09,680
Speaker 1: high level MMA fighters who are ready for title shots

2844
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:12,880
Speaker 1: in their mid to late twenties versus their early to

2845
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:16,160
Speaker 1: mid thirties, in general, that's going to confer a little

2846
02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:19,000
Speaker 1: bit more difficulty over the course of time. It's not

2847
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,120
Speaker 1: that in every case if one guy was twenty five

2848
02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:24,800
Speaker 1: and one guy was thirty two, by definition, because he's younger,

2849
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:27,160
Speaker 1: that makes it more difficult. That's sort of not my point.

2850
02:14:27,160 --> 02:14:29,400
Speaker 1: It's sort of a broad stroke idea. That's the first

2851
02:14:29,400 --> 02:14:31,680
Speaker 1: part about it. And as I indicated, same thing I

2852
02:14:31,680 --> 02:14:33,800
Speaker 1: told you before, Like Rashad was thirty two when he

2853
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:36,040
Speaker 1: fought John, but he had like a seventeen and one

2854
02:14:36,080 --> 02:14:38,720
Speaker 1: record heading into that fight, and it just whipped up

2855
02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:42,480
Speaker 1: on Phil Davis on Fox, like controlled Phil Davis for

2856
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:45,680
Speaker 1: five rounds. So like that was a hotshot Evans when

2857
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:47,960
Speaker 1: John got him. I understand that I made a point

2858
02:14:48,080 --> 02:14:50,480
Speaker 1: yesterday about looking at some of the wrestlings. So for example,

2859
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:52,800
Speaker 1: you can look at guys like DC and Bator. They

2860
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:55,120
Speaker 1: have great credentials in wrestling, fair enough, but then of

2861
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:57,800
Speaker 1: course you add in Hendrix, you add in Matt Hughes,

2862
02:14:57,880 --> 02:15:01,040
Speaker 1: you add in Josh Costume, and then some of the

2863
02:15:01,080 --> 02:15:03,600
Speaker 1: sub names you got below that, like a Fitch who

2864
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:07,280
Speaker 1: went to Purdue. Jacobrien also went to Purdue, but Jacobrian

2865
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:10,520
Speaker 1: wasn't nearly the level of fighter that John Fitch was,

2866
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:13,360
Speaker 1: So they both had the same wrestling credentials, but one

2867
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:16,080
Speaker 1: is just a much superior guy with way more well

2868
02:15:16,120 --> 02:15:18,320
Speaker 1: rounded skills. Same thing with Brandon Vera. He has ODU,

2869
02:15:18,360 --> 02:15:21,200
Speaker 1: he wrestled Greco Roman. It just didn't show up as

2870
02:15:21,720 --> 02:15:23,800
Speaker 1: his career went on as a fighter as being a

2871
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:26,360
Speaker 1: reasonable tool, contrasted with a guy like Sean Shirk who

2872
02:15:26,360 --> 02:15:29,000
Speaker 1: did not really wrestle collegiately. That guy gave Matt Hughes

2873
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:32,360
Speaker 1: a two time All American fits when they fought, and

2874
02:15:32,720 --> 02:15:35,160
Speaker 1: that's not a title fight opponent that GSP had. The

2875
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:38,320
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to illustrate to you is that over time,

2876
02:15:38,440 --> 02:15:41,240
Speaker 1: I think if you just looked at the wrestling capabilities

2877
02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:45,000
Speaker 1: of the guys that GESP had, Yes, Cormier and Bader,

2878
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:47,879
Speaker 1: we can't say anything bad about their credentials nothing. They're

2879
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:49,360
Speaker 1: great in general.

2880
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:51,240
Speaker 2: Took John down took.

2881
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:53,960
Speaker 1: As exactly, but also add in Frank Trigg, who wrestled

2882
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:56,800
Speaker 1: at Oak State and Oklahoma. Like, I just feel like

2883
02:15:56,960 --> 02:16:00,880
Speaker 1: top to bottom GSP had a slightly tougher road with

2884
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:04,640
Speaker 1: guys who, in my estimation, were a little bit younger,

2885
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:07,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more spry athletically, and were a little

2886
02:16:07,880 --> 02:16:10,680
Speaker 1: bit more time not again piece to piece, not necessarily

2887
02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:13,400
Speaker 1: the case, a little bit more well rounded, a little

2888
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:17,560
Speaker 1: bit sturdier of a competition with some very noteworthy differences

2889
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:20,560
Speaker 1: and differences in terms of John having a tougher competition

2890
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:23,560
Speaker 1: in certain ways along the way, Dude, we're not far apart.

2891
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:25,240
Speaker 1: It's not a huge difference.

2892
02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:29,640
Speaker 2: I just wanted to so your ultimate thing is the

2893
02:16:29,680 --> 02:16:33,160
Speaker 2: mixture of younger with a better pure wrestling base makes

2894
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:35,320
Speaker 2: them more difficult. I just don't want to get into

2895
02:16:35,320 --> 02:16:37,480
Speaker 2: a position like some people get into where they go. Well,

2896
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:40,280
Speaker 2: Jon's reach is so big he never beat a smaller fighter.

2897
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:43,160
Speaker 1: Dude.

2898
02:16:43,480 --> 02:16:46,240
Speaker 2: I get that. You make the way, You make the way, dude,

2899
02:16:46,280 --> 02:16:48,520
Speaker 2: that's how that's how it works. But all right, I

2900
02:16:48,560 --> 02:16:52,360
Speaker 2: mean I disagree, but look, there's a four year stretch

2901
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:56,920
Speaker 2: here where John fought ten consecutive guys in order and

2902
02:16:56,959 --> 02:17:03,400
Speaker 2: beat Ryan Bader, Showgun, Hua Rampage, Jackson, Leota Macheda, Vitor Belfort,

2903
02:17:03,520 --> 02:17:07,840
Speaker 2: chall Son In, Alexander Gustitson Glover to Shia, and Daniel Cormier.

2904
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:11,640
Speaker 2: A ten fight run in four years. I'm will I

2905
02:17:11,640 --> 02:17:14,199
Speaker 2: think that's so impressive that if those were the only

2906
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:17,119
Speaker 2: ten fights of his career, Luke, and then he retired,

2907
02:17:17,240 --> 02:17:19,640
Speaker 2: like I would still be like, you beat more people

2908
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:22,560
Speaker 2: than like five Hall of Famers put together who they do.

2909
02:17:22,879 --> 02:17:25,000
Speaker 1: Just to give just to give John another nod. I

2910
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:28,000
Speaker 1: talked about this when Showgun retired, So you can actually

2911
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:30,240
Speaker 1: look back and be like, just ask a very basic question,

2912
02:17:30,760 --> 02:17:35,400
Speaker 1: which fighter had the best single calendar year in MMA history?

2913
02:17:35,560 --> 02:17:38,080
Speaker 1: And there's only two answers to that question. It's two

2914
02:17:38,120 --> 02:17:40,440
Speaker 1: thousand and five for Showgun through that Pride Middleweight Grand

2915
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:44,720
Speaker 1: Prix when he was just fucking bulldozing A level fighters. Yeah,

2916
02:17:44,720 --> 02:17:47,480
Speaker 1: and it's that other year you mentioned with John where

2917
02:17:47,480 --> 02:17:49,840
Speaker 1: he beat those four guys starting with Bader, whoever else

2918
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:51,760
Speaker 1: it was Rampager. I can't remember the exact.

2919
02:17:51,520 --> 02:17:55,160
Speaker 2: Sh Shogun Machida, and that's that's still a dangerous as

2920
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:57,200
Speaker 2: shit Machida. I mean, that's why that's where I got

2921
02:17:57,200 --> 02:17:59,480
Speaker 2: mad because I'm sort of like just calling those guys

2922
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:01,560
Speaker 2: re treads, are old or former champions.

2923
02:18:02,920 --> 02:18:06,520
Speaker 1: That doesn't that year where John beat those four guys

2924
02:18:06,560 --> 02:18:09,600
Speaker 1: in that single calendar year, It's either Showgun or John

2925
02:18:09,680 --> 02:18:13,240
Speaker 1: as the best calendar year ever for any fighter in

2926
02:18:13,400 --> 02:18:16,120
Speaker 1: MMA history. Don't get me wrong, dude, I believe in

2927
02:18:16,200 --> 02:18:18,560
Speaker 1: John's residme. I still think he's the best guy ever.

2928
02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:20,960
Speaker 1: I just don't want to lose sight of the fact

2929
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:23,879
Speaker 1: that GSP had to go up against some fucking well rounded,

2930
02:18:24,080 --> 02:18:27,480
Speaker 1: very difficult hammers who were as spry as shit, very difficult,

2931
02:18:27,480 --> 02:18:30,920
Speaker 1: and also, like the bj Penn wins, the one was

2932
02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:32,640
Speaker 1: non title one was title and by the time the

2933
02:18:32,640 --> 02:18:34,440
Speaker 1: title one came around didn't look nearly as impressive. But

2934
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:36,879
Speaker 1: at the time that was a champ champ fight and

2935
02:18:36,959 --> 02:18:41,200
Speaker 1: Bjpenn was like the gold standard for takedown defense and

2936
02:18:41,240 --> 02:18:43,879
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. GSP still got him down. It was

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Speaker 1: fucking incredible to watch. So, you know, everyone can have

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Speaker 1: their own opinion, and I'll admit I did such a

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Speaker 1: poor job on Monday with that. I could get why

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Speaker 1: people are confused, but just want to state the record,

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Speaker 1: I had only messed up the pair of twenty year olds.

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Speaker 1: The numbers twenty nine versus thirty two for title fight

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Speaker 1: and age. That is correct, whatever that's worth, all right.

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Speaker 2: I disagree, but that's a better argument you make. And

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Speaker 2: obviously we're talking about the two best fighters of all time,

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Speaker 2: so if you can lean whichever way you lean. In

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Speaker 2: the end, we are going to close this week by

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Speaker 2: ending the show with a pre planned segment a shout

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Speaker 2: out to the folks at the Sports podcast Group. Shortly

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Speaker 2: we'll be tossing to Luke, Thomas and I. While we

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Speaker 2: were in MK ahead of our I'm Sorry in the

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Speaker 2: UK ahead of our MK live show, the nice folks

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Speaker 2: to all that, and we did some taste tests. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna throw to that, but we want to remind you

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Speaker 2: this one, continue the journey. Those guys in the UK

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Speaker 2: miss it. Luke anything to say before we throw to

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Speaker 2: this clip on the way out.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the fights tonight, enjoy the fights tomorrow, and we'll

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Speaker 1: recap it all on Monday. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for watching this weekend. Thanks everyone who tuned in for

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Speaker 1: all of our Davis and Garcia coverage, especially for BC's

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Speaker 1: Double Duty.

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Speaker 2: There two and two. We love you. We ought to

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Speaker 2: hear two more words. I guess that's the same too.

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Speaker 2: I just said either way, we're out. Enjoy the clip

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Speaker 2: on the exit.

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Speaker 6: Thank you,