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Speaker 1: But first, we saw President elect Donald Trump ring the

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Speaker 1: The list goes on. So how does Donald Trump use

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Speaker 1: this to his advantage? Now that we see all these

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump campaigned on this new golden age for America.

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Speaker 1: What does that look like? How does he get us there?

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Speaker 1: After these past four years under Joe Biden, we have

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Speaker 1: a lot to look forward to under Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 1: I want to know exactly what that looks like and

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Speaker 1: what you can expect, what you can look forward to.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, so I know he teased the guest the top.

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Speaker 1: Now I guess I'll tell you who it is. It's

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Speaker 1: Larry Cudlow. He's the host of Cudlow on Fox Business Network.

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Speaker 1: You know him. He also worked for Donald Trump under

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Speaker 1: the previous administration. He was the Assistant to the President

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump. He's also done a whole host of things.

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Speaker 1: He previously worked on Wall Street, he works for the

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Speaker 1: Reagan administration. The list goes on and on. He's a

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for the great Larry Cudlow. Well, Larry Cudlow,

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Speaker 1: it's an honor to have you on the show. I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited for this. You are a busy man, so

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Speaker 1: we certainly appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great to be with you, Lisa, and you're

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Speaker 2: a great contributor to Fox News by the way, very.

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Speaker 1: Good, Well, thank you, star the feeling. Well, you have

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Speaker 1: you know. Okay, so let's start out with so you

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Speaker 1: previously served Well, you've done a whole bunch of things

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Speaker 1: as the director of the National Economic Council for for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. You know, before we discussed what we're looking

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Speaker 1: forward to in these next four years, how would you

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Speaker 1: summarize the economy under Biden these past four years.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think probably that the biggest factor is what

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Speaker 2: And the affordability crisis simply is that with high inflation,

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Speaker 1: We've got more with Larry Kudlow. But first, the Christmas

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Speaker 2: President Trump is a person who likes to reach out.

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Speaker 2: it's interesting that his campaign was so good this time around,

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Speaker 2: the economy is not really I mean, it's a complicated matter,

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Speaker 2: Well? I do know him well, I mean, I was

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Speaker 1: it's an honor to have you on. I've learned so

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Speaker 2: It's I don't you know, I understand why the media

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Speaker 2: He is really this is the this is the side

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Speaker 1: Well. I've always found him to be lovely, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's so warm, he's funny, yes, and he's so personable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to these next four years.

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Speaker 1: It feels like this weight has just been lifted off

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Larry Cudlow, it's an honor to have you on

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Speaker 1: You're a very smart man, always interested in hearing what

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Speaker 2: Thanks Lisa, my great pleasure. Good luck to you.

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Speaker 1: That was Larry Cudlow. Such an honor to have him

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