1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: I love hearing from you guys, and I got so 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: much feedback on the last few monologues on dating. Last episode, 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: I read a note from a female listener who is 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: thirty seven and says all guys cheat on her and 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: she's over the idea of dating This time. I have 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: a message from a man thirty two years old responding 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: to that. Hi, Carol, I'm a longtime reader of your work, 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: but only recently started listening to your show. I was 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: married for four years, no kids, and my marriage ultimately 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: broke up because my wife wanting a really luxurious life 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: then our salaries couldn't provide. She was watching online content 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: about people on yachts buying expensive purses and wanted the same. 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: We both make an above average salary and live in 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: a small city. We were able to have a night 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: life where we went to dinner, often, took vacations, and 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: saved for the future. This wasn't enough for her. The 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: last person who wrote in to say all men cheat. 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: I have never cheated on anyone, and still I'm in 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: my thirties and divorced. Where is the advice to women 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: to live within their means and not have expectations set 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: by social media. The last woman said she's over dating. 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: I am too really hard to read. I think that 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: a lot of the problems here are from the idea 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: that all men or all women do something and it's 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: impossible to break out of that. Look. Are women being 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: led to believe they should be living some celebrity, glamorous 28 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: life that they can't afford at all. I'm sure some are. 29 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Are men cheating with anything that moves. I'm sure some are. 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: What you can't do is assume all women or all 31 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: men are the same way. Everybody has potential to be 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: better or worse. I really don't believe that there's such 33 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: a thing as oh, this person would never cheat, Yeah, 34 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: maybe they would, or the idea that a cheater can change. 35 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: Maybe they can. One thing I'd say is that if 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: everyone you date is a certain way, whether a cheater 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: or materialistic, the common denominator is you choosing them. Choose 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: different kinds of people for different results. I hope that 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: both of the people who wrote in don't actually give up. 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: I hope they both try to meet people in different 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: ways and they don't bring this bitterness from past relationships 42 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: into their future ones. That's probably a big part of 43 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: a relationship succeeding. Really, you have to give the individual 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: person a chance and not just say all women are 45 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 1: like this or all men are like that. If you've 46 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: got thoughts on this, drop me an email. I'll read 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: some on the air in future episodes. It's Carol Markowitz 48 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: Show at gmail dot com, Ka r O L, Mr Kowi, 49 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: Cus and Charlie Zias and Zebra Show at gmail dot com. 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: Coming up next an interview with Ian Miller. This is 51 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: actually my last interview of season one of The Carol 52 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Markowitz Show. It's been a whole year. 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We'll be right back with 70 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: some more from Ian Miller. 71 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 72 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: guest today is Ian Miller. Ian is a writer at OutKick, 73 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: author of Unmasked and Illusion of Control. 74 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: Hi, Ian, so nice to have you on. 75 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 4: Oh thanks so much for having me, Carol really appreciate it. 76 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: So we got to know. 77 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: Each other during the pandemic insanity, pandemic restriction insanity right, 78 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: because the pandemic wasn't specifically what caused insanity. 79 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 5: How are you feeling about everything that went down back then? 80 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 3: Are you over it? 81 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 5: I'm not over it, and people are always like, you know. 82 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: I'll move on, and I just want to know I 83 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: guess where are you. 84 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not over it. I think, you know, everybody 85 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 4: was really excited to get back to normal life, I think, 86 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: and there was this kind of sense of relief that 87 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 4: the restrictions were over and that we could kind of 88 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 4: move on from this really bizarre, difficult time period, and 89 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 4: so a lot of people have just put it behind them, 90 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: which I don't think is a good I don't think 91 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: it's a good idea. I don't think that's effective because 92 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 4: the people in charge that made these decisions, that enacted 93 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 4: these policies, I've never really had to apologize for them 94 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 4: or take accountability for what they did. And when we 95 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 4: just kind of move on, we let them get away 96 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 4: with it. I don't think that that is a good 97 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 4: idea moving forward, because it's going to give them kind 98 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 4: of license to do it again. I mean, you know, 99 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 4: we've all seen the clips Faucio. I've never done anything wrong. 100 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: I was just following science. I never told anybody to 101 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 4: close schools that kind of thing, and letting them get 102 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 4: away with that rewarding them in some cases, I don't 103 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 4: I don't like it. You know, there are a lot 104 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: of personal things that happened to me because of it, 105 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 4: and you know those are never easy to forget, so 106 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: it is, Yeah, it's I think it should we should 107 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 4: continue to think about it and hold these people accountable. 108 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: And it's easy to forget. It's easy to move on 109 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 4: to news cycle move quickly, but we shouldn't do that. 110 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 5: I think, Yeah, what do you worry about now? Like, 111 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 5: what do you feel is our largest cultural problem? 112 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 4: It's it's a really good question. I think for me, 113 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 4: it's that there's we've almost kind of created and I 114 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: think social media is partially responsible for this, but we've 115 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 4: kind of created like almost two parallel societies where you 116 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: have the country. I think for a long time, you know, 117 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 4: people would disagree about a lot of things, but for 118 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 4: the most part, people generally wanted similar things for the future, 119 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 4: for their children, for their country. It doesn't feel like 120 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: that's the case anymore. So that to me is that 121 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: there's a bigger gap than there's ever been as far 122 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 4: as what people want. And you could break it down 123 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 4: to any number of issues, and you know, on out 124 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: Kick we do it and I've written about it a lot, 125 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: things like should male athletes be competing in women's sports? 126 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: And there's like one side of the country that's like 127 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: this is completely absurd, and there's an other side of 128 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 4: the country going, well, yeah, of course they're women because 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: they say they're women, but we also can't define what 130 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 4: women are and you know, things like that. So I 131 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: think it's it's that social media kind of sets up 132 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: these silos. And I've even noticed it with you now 133 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 4: their x Twitter separates this does this like for you page, 134 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 4: and the for you page can be a lot of 135 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: content that's from people you really disagree with because it 136 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: gets engagement. So you have these like incentive structures that 137 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 4: create this like really really harsh polarization of things, and 138 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: people get paid for. 139 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: That engagement now, so it's like it's a completely new ballgame. 140 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: You know. It used to be people who yell at 141 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: you and you wouldn't enjoy that, and now you get 142 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: cash money for it. 143 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. And so the point being that, like there's because 144 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 4: there's these incentives to be as extreme as possible, and 145 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 4: then there's back up that extremism. And for me, it's 146 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 4: mostly coming from one side that it pushes the country 147 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: further away from what common sense and rationality should be 148 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: because more people kind of reinforce these really bizarre ideologies. Well, yeah, 149 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: of course that's normal and it isn't. So that's kind 150 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: of my biggest cultural issue. 151 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: Do you feel like the girls' sports, for example, do 152 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: you think that's a fifty to fifty issue? 153 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: I know you got. 154 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: Really into data during the pandemic, and I think that, 155 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: you know, one thing I really enjoyed from you always 156 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: was real breakdown of the numbers. I don't know what 157 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: the numbers are for girls' sports, do you. 158 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually much bigger than fifty to fifty. It's 159 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 4: like seventy thirty that people don't want male athletes competing 160 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 4: with women, and you know, the Olympics wherever it might be. 161 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: So it's an overwhelming bipartisan thing that like people just 162 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: know fundamentally this is wrong. Right, But I think that 163 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: and this is another problem that I have with a 164 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 4: lot of things. But the people in charge don't really care. 165 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 4: They don't fear that seventy percent in their opinion, it's 166 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: their mindset is totally based off of what you know, 167 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: the loudest voice in the room is saying, and the 168 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 4: loudest voice in the room is usually in that thirty 169 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 4: percent saying you know, this is totally fine. So interesting. Yeah, 170 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: it's it's overwhelmingly this shouldn't be possible. There shouldn't be happening, 171 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: but it is. 172 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: So it's the intensity really of the opinion. If the 173 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: seventy percent were louder, would that I mean, would that 174 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: change anything? Or it still would be the wrong people 175 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: being loud? 176 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's it. I think it's the wrong 177 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: people being loud. You kind of have to have both. 178 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 4: And you know, we've seen that. I write about sports 179 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: now a lot, and you see with sports that sports 180 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 4: leagues and commissioners and things like that, like they don't 181 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 4: really care what the minority thinks if the minority is 182 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 4: not the dominant cultural figures in society. So like when, 183 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 4: for example, Major League Baseball they moved the All Star 184 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 4: Game out of Atlanta, Georgia. It was twenty twenty one 185 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 4: because Stacy Abrams and Joe Biden said that Georgia's voting 186 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 4: law was Jim Crow two point zero, it was worse 187 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 4: than Jim Crow, it was, you know whatever, And obviously 188 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 4: that was completely false. But Major League Baseball moved the 189 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: All Star Game out of Georgia with like two months 190 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: notice based off of what those people said. If Donald 191 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 4: Trump had or you know, Ron DeSantis or pick your 192 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 4: figure on the cultural right had said this voting law 193 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 4: in California is racist, they wouldn't care. So it's just, 194 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 4: you know, the forces of the media and that kind 195 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 4: of cultural side are so powerful among people that make decisions. 196 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: So that's I think that's the big problem. 197 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: Amazing how like junior high school in crowd stuff applies 198 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: even in adulthood and at the highest levels of. 199 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: Our political system. 200 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: What would you be doing if you weren't doing this, Like, 201 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: what would be a plan be for you. 202 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: In you know, I have a lot of different interests. 203 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: I love sports, so I would love to try to 204 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: continue working in sports. I was working in the entertainment 205 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 4: industry before, before COVID hit and before I started writing 206 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: about data and pandemic policies. And you know, I've always 207 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 4: loved the entertainment industry, loves the movie business. It's just 208 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: unfortunately the modern incarnation of the movie business is not 209 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: in a good spot. It's also I think you talk 210 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 4: about being influenced by the wrong people that I mean 211 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 4: that sums up the movie business in a nutshell. I 212 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 4: still have, you know, friends and family that work in 213 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 4: it and you know, you hear a lot of a 214 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: lot of fun stories about what's going on in there 215 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: right now. But that's probably where I would have continued 216 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: to push forward. As in entertainment. 217 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've made it? 218 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 4: No, No, I don't. I mean, I don't know how 219 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 4: you would define that. It feels like I mean, I 220 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 4: guess if you know in some ways, you know. 221 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: It's a question I ask everybody. It's however you define it. 222 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: Some people, you know, I get immediate yes, as immediate knows. 223 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 5: Doesn't really matter, you know, I want to talk yes. 224 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I've had some immediate I mean I think 225 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: I always say I feel like. 226 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: I've made it. 227 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 5: I you know, I grew up really poor. 228 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: I didn't want to get married. Now I have this 229 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: beautiful family. I totally feel like I've made it. But 230 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: like I had Clay Travis, you know, a founder of 231 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: out Kick. He was my second guest after Buck Sexton, 232 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 2: and he was like, Nope. 233 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: I have not made it. 234 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: And a few people wrote to me like if Clay Travis, 235 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: you know, who is a multi millionaire, has not made it? 236 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 3: Who has? But you never know? So go ahead. 237 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 4: It's not no, No, that's that's it's a good question, 238 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 4: I think. I mean, I guess everybody has their own definition. 239 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: That's kind of the point, right, And as far as 240 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 4: making it with you know, personal life, and yes, absolutely, 241 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 4: Like you know, I have a family, have an adorable dog. 242 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 4: You know, that's how it doesn't get any better than that. 243 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: But you know, it's it's that kind of thing, definitely. 244 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 4: It's you know, just professionally obviously, you always think you 245 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 4: could be doing better and you know, being better at 246 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 4: your job or being you know, more successful wherever it is. 247 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 4: I think, right, But you know, there are a lot 248 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 4: of people that have what I would define has made it, 249 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 4: and they probably don't think they have. So Clay is 250 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 4: probably a good example. So yeah, you know, I'll. 251 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: Say yes, We'll be right back with some more from 252 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: Ian Miller. October seventh is the one year mark of 253 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: the worst massacre of the Jewish people since the Holocaust. 254 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: Twelve hundred Israelis were murdered and more than two hundred 255 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: and fifty taken hostage. The war in Israel rages on today. 256 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: Israel and the Jewish people are facing attacks from enemies 257 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: on all sides seeking Israel's destruction. 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Is it you know, women's sports or 275 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: is it something else? 276 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: My favorite sports baseball, That's kind of what I write 277 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 4: about it. I'll kick the most in a baseball fami 278 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 4: my whole life and just love the sport, and I 279 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: think it's a you know, a lot of the changes 280 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 4: that have happened in recent years have made it even 281 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 4: more fun to watch, which is good. It's it's an 282 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 4: exciting sport, and I think gets kind of a bad 283 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 4: rap in the modern era unfairly so. I write about 284 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 4: a lot of cultural issues and political issues as well, 285 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 4: And one of the things that's really driven me crazy 286 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: in the last six months has been how we're all 287 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: just watching Joe Biden deteriorate in public and just give 288 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: these incoherent speeches, and how it's a testament to the 289 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: power of the media that he's still in office right now, 290 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: let alone you know that he was running for four 291 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: more years, and that there's just no curiosity as to like, 292 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: how did this, how was this ever allowed to happen, 293 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 4: and how bad is it behind the scenes. And obviously 294 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: this is not news, they're not new, but if you 295 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 4: look at the treatment of how they've handled his decline 296 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: versus how they would have handled it for anybody else 297 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 4: on the right, I mean, it's just mind boggling. I 298 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: think that this is this is such a big deal, 299 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 4: and it's such a big comparison for how they handle 300 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 4: the left versus the right that I've been really focused 301 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,239 Speaker 4: on that a lot, because I think it just exemplifies 302 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: so much of what's wrong in modern political discourse. 303 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely being lied to has become the standard thing that 304 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: the media does to us now. 305 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: It's just amazing. When I see somebody reading the New. 306 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: York Times, I'm always like they're going to find out 307 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: the truth, like maybe in a few months to a year, 308 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: or maybe never. 309 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: You know. 310 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: It's just it's so amazing that people just accept the 311 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: lie the whole, like we didn't know how bad Joe 312 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: Biden was. I mean, I record these podcasts a few 313 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: weeks in advance, and I could say, well, you know, 314 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: it's early September right now, and you know, by the 315 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: time this comes out, Joe Biden could have stepped down 316 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: because they can't hide it anymore, or because you know, 317 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: he's gotten so bad in public that it's become untenable, 318 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: or maybe he. 319 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: Makes it all the way through to January. Who knows. 320 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: But it's amazing that every time anybody brings up Joe 321 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: Biden on this on the show, I'm always like, it 322 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: was just gonna it's just going to make it to 323 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 2: airtime because it can change so fast because of how 324 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 2: much we've been lied to about him. 325 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 4: Exactly, That's exactly it. It just it's you know, there 326 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 4: are a lot of people talking about this and on 327 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 4: accident of areas, but it's it's just been this long 328 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 4: series of issues where the media has just told a 329 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 4: completely false version of the truth and a completely false 330 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 4: version of reality and have just completely gotten away with 331 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 4: it too, where. 332 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 2: In called names anybody who disagreed with that obviously fake. 333 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: Version of reality. 334 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: We were you know, just racists for thinking of the 335 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: lab theory lab leak theory could have been true, you know, 336 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: anti science, for saying that the little paper cloth masks 337 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: that the people were wearing was were unnecessary, all of that, 338 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: and you know, this is just sort of the latest 339 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: example of that. 340 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 3: We were agists for saying that Joe Biden. 341 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: Was deteriorating in a really obvious manner for a really 342 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: long time. I wrote, Yeah, I wrote about you know, 343 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: I had a column there's something wrong with the president, 344 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: like I think. 345 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: Three years ago. 346 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: So it's not as you know, it didn't happen overnight, 347 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: it was it was happening for a long time, and 348 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: they hit it for a long time. 349 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, COVID was a big example, obviously, and I mean 350 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 4: it's just the the latest in a long series of examples. 351 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 4: But with Biden especially, it feels like, you know, we're 352 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 4: all seeing these videos, we're all seeing how he speaks. 353 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 4: We can all we I mean, everybody has dealt with 354 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 4: somebody who's elder who's elderly, and who's you know, losing 355 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: it a little bit, and we all understand it. And 356 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 4: it's like you're trying to tell us that what we're 357 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: all seeing with our own eyes isn't real and it's working, 358 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 4: and you know that. That to me, it just drives 359 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: me crazy that we can all see it and it 360 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 4: doesn't It just doesn't matter. It still doesn't matter. They're 361 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 4: they're willing to defend the party so much that they're 362 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 4: they're they'll put their reputations on the line and say, 363 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 4: you know this thing, this very obvious thing that's happening, 364 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: isn't actually happening. Don't believe you're what you're saying. I mean, 365 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 4: I don't know how you fix that, because they've done 366 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 4: they did it with COVID. They never apologized, never made 367 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 4: a mistake. So New York Times will have like one 368 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 4: opinion piece that says masks were a mistake, and then 369 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 4: like twenty five other one saying we didn't do enough, 370 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: or Wall Street. 371 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: I don't even think that they've done masks. Masks have 372 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: been a mistake yet have they? I keep waiting for 373 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: that one. 374 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 4: I think there was one. I want to say it 375 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 4: was Brett Weinstein who wrote it that we're like mask 376 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 4: mandates didn't work something like that. 377 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, they finally got around to mandates, but like 378 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: that's you know, there's still years away from masks. 379 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: Were pointless masks all control spread. 380 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, the mask the masks would have worked if we 381 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 4: had all warned them, but the mandates didn't work because 382 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 4: people didn't actually wear the mask. I'm not sure that 383 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 4: that's what his argument was, but that's kind of where 384 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: they are. 385 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: And maybe Cuomo was saying that it was like a 386 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: high nineties percent of New Yorkers were wearing masks and 387 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: COVID was still circulating in in large numbers, and it 388 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: was like, which, which is it, you know, to do 389 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: the masks work or are we not wearing them? 390 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? That was one of my favorite examples was Los Angeles. 391 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously New York and LA very similar. In 392 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 4: LA Public Health put out this press release in December 393 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty one that they had done spot checks 394 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 4: at like over a couple thousand businesses across LA County 395 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: and said that ninety five percent of people are higher 396 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 4: were wearing masks, were complying with the mandate and that's 397 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 4: what was keeping cases in Los Angeles low. That's literally 398 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: what they said. And then like three weeks cases in 399 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 4: LA were like the highest in the country, one of 400 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 4: the highest case rates in the world. And there's just 401 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 4: it's just radio silence afterwards. There's no acknowledgment, no awareness, 402 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: And you know, I pointed out a lot of people 403 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 4: that are pointed out, and it just you just go, 404 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 4: you did this. It's not even me estimating this. You 405 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 4: did it, you created it. And then you just just 406 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 4: proved your own work. Right. They don't care. They don't care. 407 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 4: I'll never admit it. 408 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, the lack of follow up is obviously. 409 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: A real big problem. 410 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: But I actually get more offended by the follow up 411 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 2: when it no longer matters, like maybe we shouldn't have 412 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: closed schools, Like oh really. 413 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 5: Maybe we shouldn't have I get Yeah, I think maybe 414 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 5: we shouldn't have. That's that's correct. 415 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: But saying it years later when it no longer matters 416 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 2: and nobody could be held accountable, you know. 417 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 4: Angers me and and they don't even allow you to 418 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 4: say maybe as it's happened. That's what drives me crazy too. 419 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 4: It's as it was happening. There were lots of people 420 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 4: saying this is wrong, this shouldn't be happening, and they 421 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 4: were called, you know, the teachers unions were doing due 422 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 4: ins in the stream of floral tending to die right coffins, 423 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: and the media was completely in favor of that. And 424 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: it's now it's like, oh, well, maybe we shouldn't have, 425 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 4: but how could we have known at the time, and 426 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 4: you just go, right, how can we There were millions 427 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 4: of people saying, look at the look at Sweden, look 428 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: at Europe, like these schools are open and they're fine, 429 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 4: and you weren't even allowed to bring that up. It's 430 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 4: I don't know. That's what I mean by the cultural devices, 431 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 4: like how do you how do you bridge that where 432 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 4: there's one set of people that are unwilling to engage 433 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 4: in debate if it might hurt their political party, and 434 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 4: you know, or even years later not fully willing to 435 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 4: admit that they were wrong, even when there's like seventy 436 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 4: percent agreement that they were wrong. Right, Yeah, it's really 437 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 4: tough to see. How how do you fix that problem? 438 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 439 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 2: One of the things, I mean, I mentioned it probably 440 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: more than I should because it just bothers me so much. 441 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: But the fact that they tried to keep schools closed 442 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: for the following year that we really don't talk about, 443 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: not just the school year twenty to twenty one, but 444 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: twenty one to twenty two, where the media kept running 445 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: these stories like teachers die in Florida and they all 446 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: died on summer break, and it was like, you know, 447 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 2: what do you want from us, Like it has nothing 448 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: to do with schools being open, and they're just kept 449 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: running these stories to make the hysteria so high that 450 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 2: people would demand schools be closed, like teachers are dying, 451 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: And of course Randy Winegarden was fully on board with 452 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: all of that, if not completely behind it. So yeah, 453 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: I've had a lot of bitterness about that whole time, 454 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: about the media's role and all of it. 455 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: I imagine you probably do. 456 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 4: Too, Yeah, I definitely do. I think media criticism is 457 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 4: also kind of an area that I've been focusing on 458 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 4: because it is you see, I think we've seen in 459 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 4: the last month or so how powerful it still is 460 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 4: because I think there's this assumption that, like all people 461 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: aren't going to the major media street mainstream media outlets 462 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 4: anymore in the same way that they used to to 463 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 4: get news and information. That's probably true to some extent, 464 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: but I think there's we still kind of fall into 465 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: the trap of like Twitter is real life and it isn't. 466 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: And we've seen this with after Biden dropped out, and 467 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: how Kamala Harris went from being the most unpopular vice 468 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 4: president in US history and was the furthest left senator 469 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 4: in all of her policies were so so progressive that 470 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 4: people like she didn't even get to Iowa and when 471 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 4: she ran in twenty twenty to now her campaign is 472 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 4: joy and she's this moderate and everything she wants to 473 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 4: do and the rebrand and how successful that was, where 474 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 4: her favorable numbers went from thirty five percent or whatever 475 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 4: they were to fifty in a week. And the only 476 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 4: way that that happens is if the media runs helps 477 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 4: run a campaign for Yeah. Yeah, So it is still 478 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: really powerful, and I think that's part of the reason 479 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 4: why we haven't had more conversation about COVID is that 480 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 4: a lot of people did get their information from the 481 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 4: New York Times to the Washington Post because they feel 482 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 4: like they can trust it still, and I don't think 483 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 4: that they've earned that trust anymore. But until we can 484 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 4: get a larger swath of the population to understand that 485 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 4: the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN 486 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 4: and whatever else MSNBC are really you have to treat 487 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 4: them with skepticism for a lot of these issues. It's 488 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 4: hard to see how you ever kind of overcome the 489 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 4: power of the media when they turn their mind to something. 490 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 4: I mean, they got Biden out too as much as 491 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 4: Pelosi did, because it was after they saw he's going 492 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: to lose after that debate, they just went full boron, 493 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 4: he's got to go because we can't risk that he 494 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 4: loses to Trump. 495 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a two prong thing there. 496 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: Also, it was like it was the media, but it 497 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 2: was also these like really high powered donors. George Clooney 498 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 2: wrote an article there was all these donor calls about 499 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: getting buyed out. It was so out in the open 500 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: that donors are controlling the party and donors are controlling 501 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: the political process and the media is helping and that's 502 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: all just okay, and it's wild to me. 503 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean obviously money talks not a new revelation, 504 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: but I think it's I don't think people have fully 505 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 4: accepted how much it matters in politics, you know, for 506 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 4: big money, because if you have big money donors, and 507 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 4: the Democrats have a lot of big money donors despite 508 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: the reputation, and they say, we're not going to support 509 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 4: this campaign because we don't think he can win and 510 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 4: he has to go based off that debate performance, you 511 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 4: don't really have a choice. So, you know, I think 512 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 4: there is a lot of that. People don't really fully 513 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 4: accept how much behind the scenes controller is based off 514 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 4: of outside forces and how the media play can play 515 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 4: a role in that too. So that yeah, try to 516 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 4: focus on calling them out for their role in things. 517 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, some good work, because there's a lot, 518 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: a lot to expose. Well, I love talking to you Ian, 519 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 2: you're you know, really one of my favorite Twitter follows 520 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: for a long time now, and here with your best 521 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 522 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 4: I think focusing on on your family and friends is 523 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 4: the most forthy. I mean not that that's some brilliant statement 524 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 4: or anything. 525 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 3: But none of these are I get. 526 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: Like, you know, it's always the simplest pieces of advice 527 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: that I think resonate the most. Yeah. 528 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 4: I think what I've learned because I worked for some 529 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 4: really really wealthy, powerful people in my past career, and 530 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 4: you see how the money and power can kind of 531 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 4: separate you from things that really matter in life, where 532 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 4: they you know, they just don't have any meaningful friendships. 533 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 4: Everything is a very transactional relationship, and you know, there's 534 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: this kind of what can what can this person do 535 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 4: for me? And and even beyond that when people just 536 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 4: normal every day people. It's like if you if you're 537 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 4: on Twitter constantly and refreshing, and I've fall into this 538 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 4: trap myself a lot. 539 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you just. 540 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: Kind of yeah, exactly, you can just kind of get 541 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 4: into this loop of negative reinforcement of like everything is bad, 542 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 4: everything's horrible, everything's the worst that it's ever been. And 543 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 4: I don't think that's true. And I think if you, 544 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 4: if you kind of go out and talk to friends 545 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 4: and family, you know, most people are just trying to, 546 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 4: you know, go through the day and live their life 547 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 4: and be as happy as they can, and take a 548 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 4: couple of vacations a year, and it's good to kind 549 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 4: of separate yourself from from that like obsessive focus on 550 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 4: politics or issues of the day for a little bit 551 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 4: and talk to people that really care about you personally, 552 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 4: because I'm sure you've gotten an incredible amount of patred online. 553 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 4: I've gotten plenty, and it can kind of you know, 554 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 4: it can get to you, so you just it's better 555 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 4: to separate yourself from that as much as possible. Just 556 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: periodically remember who matters exactly. 557 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: He's Ian Miller. Check him out at OutKick. Thank you 558 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: so much for coming on, Ian. 559 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for thanks so much for joining us 560 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: on the Carol Markowitch Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.