Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't just stories of things we simply
Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Well. Hi there, and then
Speaker 1: welcome once again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm
Speaker 1: Joe and I'm joined by Steve. Okay, and Joe is
Speaker 1: doing is William Chattner voice? I was thinking voice would
Speaker 1: be like, and this is Thinking Sideways podcast? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, let's let's get right down to it. And
Speaker 1: by the way, before we started with today's unsolved mystery,
Speaker 1: we get a little happy celebration, a little happy occasion.
Speaker 1: I guess to celebrate. I guess that's what I meant
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, okay, anyway, it's more better. This is
Speaker 1: our one year anniversary. I maintain it was last year
Speaker 1: last week. No, yeah, this is our fifty third episode. Therefore,
Speaker 1: this is one year. Is there going to be cake? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we already ate it. We got here before you did,
Speaker 1: so it was a lie. Yeah, and we got one
Speaker 1: from you know, the ice cream cakes from Basket and
Speaker 1: Robbins because it's so hot out it was awesome? Are
Speaker 1: you lying? It was just yeah, and the and the commissary.
Speaker 1: We do have a little bit of Sherbett in the freezer.
Speaker 1: If great, I'll take it on a daylight today, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will take Yeah. It's actually we've got the A
Speaker 1: C turned off in the studio here because it's a
Speaker 1: little noisy, and so we're swaltering degree. He has not
Speaker 1: enjoined this. We're gonna talk really fast to get this
Speaker 1: over whistle to turn the A C back on. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's dive right into this and saw us a
Speaker 1: mystery today we're going to talk about. It's a mystery
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a ghost ship. You remember the
Speaker 1: Mary Celeste kind of creepy thing and Joe's wheelhouse totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well this is like a ghost shift, except it's a
Speaker 1: ghost island. Who uh so, Yeah, these people are showing
Speaker 1: up expecting other people to be there because they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be there, and they've disappeared and the place is
Speaker 1: completely deserted. Creeper what that would actually kind of creep
Speaker 1: me out, and I think and some of the people
Speaker 1: that actually actually were involved with this were just a
Speaker 1: little creeped out. But so these people disappeared and to
Speaker 1: this day, no one has a clue what happened to them.
Speaker 1: And I say to this day, because of course this
Speaker 1: is the day, we're going to solve the riddle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. So the people who disappeared were the lighthouse
Speaker 1: keepers at ellan Moore. I'm sure some of you maybe
Speaker 1: have heard of this. Maybe. Ellen Moore is a is
Speaker 1: an island about thirty nine acres. It's the largest of
Speaker 1: the largest of the flanting islands or flanting isles. I
Speaker 1: guess you would say the Scottish in the isles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the flatting aisles. Where's your accent the flant and
Speaker 1: I don't know how to know. Yeah, So the flanting
Speaker 1: aisles are in the Outer Hebrides, and which means that
Speaker 1: like there are sort of northwest of northwest Scotland, and
Speaker 1: the Outer Hebrides are even more outer than that, even
Speaker 1: more northwest, so they're they're kind of isolated in this
Speaker 1: little chunk of rock thirty nine acres. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: just out there in the middle of nowhere. But it
Speaker 1: was like kind of a kind of a rough neighborhood
Speaker 1: for ships and stuff like that, and there were shipwrecks
Speaker 1: out there. So they started to build a lighthouse in
Speaker 1: the eight and because it was so rough building on
Speaker 1: this particular little rock, they didn't open up for business
Speaker 1: until eighteen, so it took him four years, looking four
Speaker 1: years to build a simple little lighthouse. While it was
Speaker 1: it was a fairly I mean, I think it was
Speaker 1: an interesting construction of the lighthouse. Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's not just the lighthouse. But they had to like
Speaker 1: get all this crap like out of the water in
Speaker 1: these heaving North Atlantic seas, you know, and and drag
Speaker 1: it off on shore. And they had to build stairways
Speaker 1: and a little railway to hall supplies with all the
Speaker 1: way up to the peak of the island to build
Speaker 1: the lighthouse on it. It was, it was. It was
Speaker 1: just a normal lighthouse. There wasn't anything nothing special about
Speaker 1: It was just just a stack stone lighthouse about seven
Speaker 1: pretty standard, yeah, pretty standard. And then of course I
Speaker 1: had the attached the lighthouse keepers quarters, which is like
Speaker 1: in a small little building like you'd expect typical little lighthouse. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, there were it was. It was manned
Speaker 1: by three people. Are three guys, I should say, uh,
Speaker 1: and the three guys In December of nineteen hundred hundred,
Speaker 1: fourteen years ago, the three guys disappeared without a trace,
Speaker 1: and nobody knows why. So what's the story here. Come on,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're giving me a cliffhanger here, and that's
Speaker 1: not okay. You gotta you gotta fill in the missing details.
Speaker 1: So for pictures, visit our website. Yeah, send us an email. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say, I'm gonna cut to the chase.
Speaker 1: It was a it was an ocean going jetty. Cut
Speaker 1: it out, cut it out, all right. So the first
Speaker 1: clue that something was wrong was on the night of
Speaker 1: December fifteen, nineteen hundred, the steamship SS Arc Tour in
Speaker 1: some versions of the story say the Archer. But I've
Speaker 1: heard it as an Arc tour. I've seen, I've seen
Speaker 1: both ways. Yeah, so I passed through the island and
Speaker 1: I was expecting to see the light, but the light
Speaker 1: was not on when they actually when they arrived in
Speaker 1: their import, they reported it, but apparently whoever at the
Speaker 1: port they reported it too, didn't pass it along to
Speaker 1: the Northern Lighthouse Board where it was the shipping companies
Speaker 1: who they Yeah, yeah, apparently they didn't report it. Somebody
Speaker 1: was lazy. Yeah, we've all been there. Yeah, I've had
Speaker 1: a nickel for every time I slacked at work. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I've got style Twitter to look at. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not filing this TPS report. Yes, yes, Steam Twitter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I forgot because I'm busy hauling boxes off
Speaker 1: of this ship and somebody in passing was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird that this light was out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and You're like, okay, fifty pounds of manure on top
Speaker 1: of me. But they had correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I swear. I remember when I was reading about the
Speaker 1: ship that reported it, they said they did it via wireless.
Speaker 1: I've heard it both ways. And did they have wireless communication?
Speaker 1: Did they had radio technology at the point right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a telegram? Yeah, I've heard it both ways. One
Speaker 1: of the one in most of the stories that I
Speaker 1: see he'd waited till portant to report this, and I questioning.
Speaker 1: I was questioning the day and age, how many ships
Speaker 1: would have a radio But yeah, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it wasn't. Not every ship had, and I'm sure yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he was that far up from
Speaker 1: port either than maybe a day or something like that.
Speaker 1: Uh So. Also they also, by the way, I didn't
Speaker 1: know this until I started researching this story, but apparently
Speaker 1: the old days in the lighthouses, they would hire somebody
Speaker 1: who was who lived on the coast to actually watched
Speaker 1: the lighthouse to a telescope. I mean not seven, but
Speaker 1: he would. His job was to basically check on a
Speaker 1: periodically and make sure the light was burning. And they
Speaker 1: had actually hired a gamekeeper on the on the closest
Speaker 1: island to keep an eye on things. And he reported
Speaker 1: he in his log that he hadn't seen it on
Speaker 1: certain days, but again the weather was so heavy that
Speaker 1: they were it was like twenty miles away. So well,
Speaker 1: And I think a thing to point out to everybody
Speaker 1: here is this is not a modern lighthouse. This is
Speaker 1: a wick with mirrors around it to shine light. And
Speaker 1: I think correct me if I'm wrong, Joe. But wasn't
Speaker 1: it It shown about twenty miles I don't remember the
Speaker 1: kind of power, but it showed out to see it
Speaker 1: about you can see it about twenty miles away on
Speaker 1: a clear night, and it was really interesting. Is the
Speaker 1: the lens system that they use, I want to say
Speaker 1: it was a French design, yeah, and it and it
Speaker 1: was set up in a way that it had eight
Speaker 1: panels so that it would have a long arc and
Speaker 1: a short burst as it went around in the course
Speaker 1: of a minute, so in a minute, you would get
Speaker 1: eight flashes, so that you knew that that was a lighthouse,
Speaker 1: and that was how you identified that particulcular lighthouse, because
Speaker 1: each one was slightly different, so that if I was
Speaker 1: a hundred miles farther down the coast, that lighthouse would
Speaker 1: have a different pattern, so I knew where I was
Speaker 1: in the dark. Yeah, it's a pretty ingenious little system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think about those fresnels, the lenses. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've ever been to a real lighthouse and
Speaker 1: seeing those things. They're huge. I mean they're huge lenses
Speaker 1: and very elaborate. If you go to the coast, the coast,
Speaker 1: the coast, we've got some white houses down there, and
Speaker 1: you see some of them down there. But we can't
Speaker 1: make those things today. We don't. I mean, we don't
Speaker 1: have the craftsmanship, the craftsmanship and the tools to make
Speaker 1: those things anymore. I have seen the Bob the builder
Speaker 1: where they have to replace the mirror in the limp
Speaker 1: little so that kind of like perfect allegory. Yeah, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I go to uh, I want us really close by
Speaker 1: as to Cape Mer's lighthouse on the coast, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: a couple of what's the word I'm thinking of, you know, jerks, jerks,
Speaker 1: jerks not nice people? Yeah, bozos yeah, perfect, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: They shot it up but it's still mostly intact. But
Speaker 1: they still busted it up pretty good. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, dude, that was like a hundred year old
Speaker 1: piece of glass. More than that, I think. Yeah, those darks, yeah,
Speaker 1: those what thung darks? I'm just trying to make up
Speaker 1: a word that sounds appropriately offensive. Yeah, anyway, you guys go, yeah,
Speaker 1: go check that out. Those lenses are pretty interesting. They're
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Well, anyway, so back to our story. They
Speaker 1: had a guy on shore watching. He noted that he
Speaker 1: hadn't seen it, but again, it had heavy weather, so
Speaker 1: he wasn't sure if he wasn't seeing because he had
Speaker 1: actually not seen it on nights when it was still burning. Okay,
Speaker 1: so wait they had there was heavy weather. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel this is important to the continuation of the story.
Speaker 1: So there had been heavy weather. Yeah, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is like the North Atlantic in December in the wintertime.
Speaker 1: It's a very lot. It's that this the latitude of
Speaker 1: this is approximably fifty eight degrees north. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: just want to clarify for where this story is going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was, in fact bad weather, Yeah, intermittent bad weather.
Speaker 1: It wasn't constant bad weather the entire I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be sure, making you wonder why people would want
Speaker 1: to live up there. You said it was fifty eight
Speaker 1: degrees degrees north. Yeah, I'm trying of I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of like a major city or landmark that we
Speaker 1: could equate that too for people to think about it
Speaker 1: on the globe and Vancouver, BC. Yeah, I think Vancouver
Speaker 1: is not that not nearly that far enough, not far enough.
Speaker 1: So it's farther than than Vancouver, British Columbia. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: up there. So how many miles in a degree? Well,
Speaker 1: we're about about which is just south of us. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: so where are we at, like forty nine maybe even
Speaker 1: that are even that far wen something like that, so
Speaker 1: that Vancouver is kind of I'm just thinking about to
Speaker 1: equate it to the West coast in the East Coast,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's way north of Massachusetts probably, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I don't even know where to equate it
Speaker 1: on the European But it's it's pretty far. Just to
Speaker 1: give you an idea, I checked. I just happened to
Speaker 1: check today and I did a little google on sunset
Speaker 1: time and I found it. I found a town on
Speaker 1: the on the club in Scotland that's basically just due
Speaker 1: east of this island. It's about fifty degrees and what
Speaker 1: what And I looked at the sunset time for today,
Speaker 1: ten thirty three in the evening. It's one of the sunsets,
Speaker 1: so it may be kind of like Alaska. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like it's so it's way up there then, so
Speaker 1: this is almost subarctic. Yeah, and that's and and of
Speaker 1: course in the wintertime, and this this took place in
Speaker 1: December day it's still some pretty cruddy weather. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's that's good context to know. That's what I
Speaker 1: was trying to try get a handle on. So any
Speaker 1: way back to our story here, So the crew working
Speaker 1: in the lighthouse, again, I said there were three guys.
Speaker 1: They were named James Ducat, who was and I had
Speaker 1: sorry for his errors. If i'm his errors, If I'm mispronouncing,
Speaker 1: it's probably Ducatt. It could be Ducat. Let's probably something
Speaker 1: even more for Ducatt. Donald McArthur and Thomas Marshall. So
Speaker 1: Ducatt was the head lighthouse keeper, so he was a
Speaker 1: boss man. Marshall was the second lighthousekeeper, and then Donald
Speaker 1: McArthur was referred to as an occasional, which meant that
Speaker 1: he didn't do it. It's full time and the other guys.
Speaker 1: I guess the According to the story, the report got
Speaker 1: in to the to the authorities that the lighthouse was out,
Speaker 1: but the weather was too bad to actually take a
Speaker 1: ship out to check on it, so it took eleven
Speaker 1: days before they could make the crossing to investigate. Um.
Speaker 1: The official record says that no, they had no idea
Speaker 1: that the why I had even been out. They just
Speaker 1: desperus was going on in a regular mission to um
Speaker 1: take a guy out for to relieve one of the
Speaker 1: members of the crew and take supplies out. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean the official record, you know, because
Speaker 1: I read all the stories that were out there, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of kind of melodramatic stuff about you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they were beside themselves with worry about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's that's most of the stories that I see,
Speaker 1: And I have a feeling that the age of this
Speaker 1: story there's a lot of embellishment. Oh yeah, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: um so, actually they were just on a regularly scheduled trip.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to go out and just and on
Speaker 1: a relief And you were able to find that official report. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's on the Northern Lighthouse Boards website. Actually, they still exist,
Speaker 1: they're still here. They still they have a website and
Speaker 1: they published some documents related to this incident, which we'll
Speaker 1: talk about in a few minutes. So anyway, so they
Speaker 1: showed up without a clue that the light hasn't even
Speaker 1: been out, but according to the story, they were dreadfully worried.
Speaker 1: The crew of the light house should have been expecting
Speaker 1: relief and they should have had the relief flag flying,
Speaker 1: and they would it would be expected that they would
Speaker 1: have boxes down the landing to be refilled with supplies
Speaker 1: and truck back up because and I probably didn't mention this,
Speaker 1: um maybe I did. They had besides stairways, they had
Speaker 1: a little railway line. It was steam power day, had
Speaker 1: a steam powered engine up in the main hot warehouse
Speaker 1: or the main lighthouse, so that basically, through a series
Speaker 1: of cables and pulleys would would let these carts down
Speaker 1: and drag them back up put the supplies, and so
Speaker 1: they probably would have had that little steam car, steam
Speaker 1: powered car waiting down there, would be loaded up with supplies.
Speaker 1: They're kind of creepy little rails now at this point there,
Speaker 1: you know, super abandoned railway desolate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: you noticed like they built right next to it, they
Speaker 1: built a stairway. And if you look at the there's
Speaker 1: pictures out there in the web of some of these
Speaker 1: things as they exist today. And so you had to say,
Speaker 1: there's curving down steeply and there's a stairway on the
Speaker 1: outside on the cliff side of it. What's to me,
Speaker 1: I would have put the stairway on the overboard. I
Speaker 1: don't want to. Yeah, yeah, but they put this the stairway,
Speaker 1: and you know, and and the photos the stairway has
Speaker 1: no handrail, yeah, and it's pretty steep, and it's like
Speaker 1: right next to a big old cliff. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I'd be very very carefully going up and
Speaker 1: down that thing. Uh So. Anyway, so they're expecting that
Speaker 1: they're expecting these guys, at least one of the members
Speaker 1: of the crew to be down there on this landing
Speaker 1: that there's a landing not too far above sea level
Speaker 1: where the boat ties up to, and they would expect
Speaker 1: those guys because I mean it's a big event for them.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been on this think for like a
Speaker 1: month without any human contact. Three guys. These guys are
Speaker 1: bringing the supplies and bringing the mail. Didn't didn't I swear,
Speaker 1: And this might be the more fanciful tellings, but I
Speaker 1: swore that there was time. There was something in it
Speaker 1: about how they had to grow some of their own food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on the you know, they their own garden basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they they had to have aless supposed that. I've heard
Speaker 1: accounts that say that they had to do that too.
Speaker 1: They had to raise animals and yea, and everything they
Speaker 1: cheap and whatnot. Yeah, So I have no idea if
Speaker 1: that standard up rating procedure for these guys are not.
Speaker 1: It seems like I'll just throw this out there on
Speaker 1: a kind of small rock right essentially off Scotland where
Speaker 1: the weather is often awful. You're not going to raise
Speaker 1: animals because they're going to blow away, I mean, or
Speaker 1: otherwise there's a you know, I mean, that's the sort
Speaker 1: of thing you don't necessarily do, especially when the technology
Speaker 1: exists for you know, salted and cured meat, which isn't
Speaker 1: as good. But you know, if the if the weather
Speaker 1: is nice, you can do fishing if you need to.
Speaker 1: But gardening, certainly, I think, except you're going to have
Speaker 1: a really short growing season. Yeah, it's gonna stink, but
Speaker 1: you can do it. But I remember seeing I mean
Speaker 1: the name of this island. We was named after a
Speaker 1: saint who built a small church there in six d
Speaker 1: That's who they named the island after. They named it
Speaker 1: after they named the whole. There's a there's a chain
Speaker 1: of out seven islands that are called a flanting island.
Speaker 1: That's the Flanty. Yeah, this was Ellian Moore is called
Speaker 1: apparently it's Gaelic for the big island, you know, and
Speaker 1: they it was guys. You see, you know, shepherds used
Speaker 1: to take their sheep and this seems really dumb because
Speaker 1: I can imagine what a task it must have been.
Speaker 1: But they would cart their sheep to these islands, kick
Speaker 1: them out on the island to feed on the grass.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't stay overnight because they were fearing the spirits
Speaker 1: or little people that live there, so they'd leave and
Speaker 1: then come back a couple of days they actually their sheep.
Speaker 1: They do that in Ireland still, but they did do that,
Speaker 1: and I leaned and the cause or the reason for
Speaker 1: that is because there are no predators on those islands. True,
Speaker 1: but they don't seem to word much work cart I mean,
Speaker 1: neither of you dealt with sheep. Yeah, they're stupid, right,
Speaker 1: but so it's not like a daily thing, right you Like,
Speaker 1: it's like for weeks or along. But but still it's
Speaker 1: a giant pane in the butt to get a sheep
Speaker 1: to go into a gated area, because they will, they'll
Speaker 1: run into the fence, they'll run the opposite direction. They'll
Speaker 1: go everywhere, but where the obvious hole is act that
Speaker 1: I can only imagine trying to put them onto a boat,
Speaker 1: which is you know, an archaic boat. Yeah, again, it's
Speaker 1: gonna suck, but it's probably over well less than you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose two wolves. Salted mutton right there they put
Speaker 1: right into the ocean. You got salted mutton, pre salted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems to me like it
Speaker 1: would be a hell of a lot of work because
Speaker 1: you'd have to haul and that's like the nearest other
Speaker 1: islands at large Island that's to the east about fifty
Speaker 1: and twenty miles. That's a long way to sail and
Speaker 1: very rough sea. I guess you'd do it the summer.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's only done in the summertime, but it
Speaker 1: just probably it's a little it's a little weird to me,
Speaker 1: you know. Maybe they were just really hard up for
Speaker 1: good grass for their sheep to graze on. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: but enough of them sheep so that so the Asperus
Speaker 1: shows up. Uh that the name of the relay, the
Speaker 1: relationship to Hesperus. Yeah, it shows up, and they're a
Speaker 1: little mistified. There's nobody there to meet them with the
Speaker 1: landing and no signs of life at all. And they
Speaker 1: shot off a rocket, an alert rocket, or basically basically,
Speaker 1: they blasted the horns several times. They got no response,
Speaker 1: and then shot off a flare and and got no response,
Speaker 1: and then they lowered a boat and sent a boat
Speaker 1: into the landing. And by the way, side note there
Speaker 1: are two landings for the for this thing. There's one
Speaker 1: in the east and one on the west side. So
Speaker 1: and they were approaching on the east side landing, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were, they were there. Actually they were actually sailing
Speaker 1: from the east of the island, so that would be
Speaker 1: the closer one. And it all depends on weather conditions,
Speaker 1: you know, so the which way the wind is blowing.
Speaker 1: So if it's blown from the west, you see east
Speaker 1: one that's blown from the east east of the west
Speaker 1: one be on the least side. Yeah, so they hit
Speaker 1: in that that that'll be somewhat more significant a little
Speaker 1: bit later on. But so they so they lower a
Speaker 1: boat and sent a few sailors ashore along with this
Speaker 1: guy named Joseph Moore, and he was the relief guy.
Speaker 1: He was the guy that was supposed to be taking
Speaker 1: over so one of the other guys in the lighthouse
Speaker 1: could go back to the shore for for a while. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's what he called the relief boat. So anyway he
Speaker 1: goes ashore, and because there was nobody at the landing,
Speaker 1: he had a little bit of trouble getting out of
Speaker 1: the boat. I guess when you think about it would
Speaker 1: be a lot easier to land your boat if there's
Speaker 1: somebody standing on the landing that you can toss your
Speaker 1: rope to tie off. Yeah, so it's a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit tricky, but he got on shore and
Speaker 1: climbed up all them steps to the lighthouse. And when
Speaker 1: he gets there, well, so there's a gate around the lighthouse,
Speaker 1: and it was shut. The gate was shut, which at
Speaker 1: least that's to another mystery, which is why you need
Speaker 1: a fence on a deserted island. Stock right there? Maybe
Speaker 1: in reason, Maybe maybe that was to keep the livestock
Speaker 1: out of their garden. So maybe they did have livestock
Speaker 1: and a garden. I don't know. I figured it's kind
Speaker 1: of irrelevant. I mean I heard that story too, but
Speaker 1: I just figured it was kind of irrelevant to the
Speaker 1: overall mystery. Sheep beat everything I could. It could have
Speaker 1: been Killer Sheep. I like the sheep version of Night
Speaker 1: of the Lepez. Yeah, have you ever seen that that
Speaker 1: movie Black Sheep? I believe it's called black Sheep. Where
Speaker 1: it is killer where Sheep? Literally they're where sheep. It's
Speaker 1: a terrible bee movie, but it's funny to watch again,
Speaker 1: I assert sheep version Night of the left Sorry, back
Speaker 1: back to the story. Sorry, really good. They called sheep too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip sheep sheep too, and then and then
Speaker 1: it's got to skip to sheep five. As long as
Speaker 1: there's a weird makeout scene with popcorn. I think we're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okayed here anyway, So, so, as I said, so,
Speaker 1: he finds the gates to the fence shut and latched. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then he goes from there to the outside door
Speaker 1: to the keeper's quarters and that door is shutting matched Okay,
Speaker 1: I was always as could be expected. And he goes
Speaker 1: inside and everything was all neat and tidy. Everything was
Speaker 1: in order, nothing out of the ordinary. There was a
Speaker 1: half eating meal of salted button and potatoes in the
Speaker 1: kitchen too, salted button. Yeah, alright, can can I can
Speaker 1: I call you out right now? The whole food thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's just like the Mary celesteciful. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why if you look at if you look at that,
Speaker 1: that's fanciful additions to the story. I don't want people
Speaker 1: to to think that that's really the trou version. Actually,
Speaker 1: if you look at my ride up, if I bolted,
Speaker 1: I bowled all the BS stuff that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought that was the stuff that I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be paying attention to. Yeah, yeah, that's the reason
Speaker 1: I bolted it, all right. Yeah. And there was also
Speaker 1: an herb returned chair on the floor indicating that somebody
Speaker 1: had left in a big hurry. The fire was out,
Speaker 1: and apparently about for days the clocks were stopped, indicating
Speaker 1: that nobody been around to wind them. So more, Mr
Speaker 1: Moore search a resident. There were numerous rooms like bedrooms
Speaker 1: for the guys to sleep in and stuff, and I
Speaker 1: found no one there. And I just want to make
Speaker 1: a quick note that we'll be we'll be talking a
Speaker 1: little bit about because because he submitted a written version,
Speaker 1: written testability about what happened on that day, and uh,
Speaker 1: the half eaten meal in the kitchen and the overturned
Speaker 1: chair that was not in his his accounting of that,
Speaker 1: so that was definitely tacked on. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: the problem with salted mutton and potatoes is that it's
Speaker 1: a cold meal already, so you can't say, oh, and
Speaker 1: it was cold or it was still steaming maybe before
Speaker 1: the alien subducted and they made him lay some of
Speaker 1: that stuff. Spoiler spoilers. Oh sorry, sorry, I forget you
Speaker 1: heard that. You never heard that. You never heard that,
Speaker 1: you never heard that? Okay, I beck the story. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you're awake. So so anyways, Mr Morges back to
Speaker 1: the Hesperus and reported what he's seen to the captain.
Speaker 1: The captain told him to get his get his butt
Speaker 1: back there, and sent three volunteers to go back with
Speaker 1: him because obviously, I mean, it was a big mystery,
Speaker 1: and they were all a little scared about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, they needed to get the
Speaker 1: lighthouse working, so and Mr Moore had to, like, he
Speaker 1: took a few assistance with him, because obviously I can't
Speaker 1: believe in there by himself, because it'd be all creeped out.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how creep it would be to be
Speaker 1: all by yourself in that lighthouse when three people have
Speaker 1: just disappeared totally, But yeah, send some people along with him.
Speaker 1: But but from a logistical standpoint, I mean, it's something
Speaker 1: we should probably explain, is that it took three people
Speaker 1: to run the lighthouse because at night you've got to
Speaker 1: make sure that it's still burning and maintain that flame.
Speaker 1: And one person cannot stay up all night long, and
Speaker 1: so it was in shifts. You know, I'm sorry, was
Speaker 1: this before the invention of coffee? Yeh, does not keep
Speaker 1: you up all night, as I learned in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the it's you know, it's a shift from let's say,
Speaker 1: eight o'clock to midnight, and then the next guy is
Speaker 1: midnight to four, and then the next guy is four
Speaker 1: o'clock to dawn. So it's this it's this weird rotation,
Speaker 1: and they all rotated through so one guy would eventually
Speaker 1: at least one night get almost a full night's sleep,
Speaker 1: but it takes multiple people to run this. Yeah, So anyway,
Speaker 1: so you kind of back with this with the other guys,
Speaker 1: and they look around a little bit and they noticed
Speaker 1: that two of the oil skins and boots were missing.
Speaker 1: So actually there were three sets of oilskins there, one
Speaker 1: for each guy. Like rain jackets that was back in
Speaker 1: the day before they invented gortex. So I think they
Speaker 1: call them oilskins because where they what skin. It's like
Speaker 1: cloth that was like leather. Typically jackets literally oiled up
Speaker 1: and seal oil or whale oil it, you know, so
Speaker 1: it repels the water. It is the old school equivalent
Speaker 1: of a plastic rain jack Okay, I just wasn't sure
Speaker 1: oilskins or whatever they call you put water in. It's
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, we we have not gortex, but
Speaker 1: you have waterproof jacketson once a year, you got to
Speaker 1: spray the waterproof. No, it's the same thing. It's just
Speaker 1: that you would literally rub this oil all over it. Sure,
Speaker 1: I was just I couldn't remember if oil skins were
Speaker 1: jackets or if they were like the things you put
Speaker 1: water in. No, no, not a The only thing you
Speaker 1: think skin maybe a wine skin. Sorry everyone, and that
Speaker 1: a whole lot of wine skins on the islands from
Speaker 1: the Middle Ages. Anyways, apologies, Okay, way back to our mystery.
Speaker 1: So besides the oil skins and boots that were missing, uh,
Speaker 1: and and all three guys were gone, which one of
Speaker 1: those guys left without his was that his oil skin on?
Speaker 1: Which is weird because, by the way, December December, yeahzing
Speaker 1: cold outside, it's gonna be cold, rainy, nasty. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: So that's a mystery. That's an honest to got a mystery.
Speaker 1: Some telling say that a toolbox was also missing, but
Speaker 1: there's there's no obviously obviously not. Yeah. So anyway, they
Speaker 1: they came back and they kept the light going for
Speaker 1: that night, which was December twenty six. They I mentioned
Speaker 1: that they got out there in the six Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you've covered it. Yeah, I covered it. So that
Speaker 1: night they kept the light going and then then the
Speaker 1: next day they spent the day scouring the island for
Speaker 1: any sign of the missing man. Found nothing. And they
Speaker 1: had already obviously seen the eastern landing, so they went
Speaker 1: down and checked out the western landing and they found
Speaker 1: some anomalous things there. It was glowing green as if
Speaker 1: the UFO. I mean, okay, soil and green. Yeah, Now
Speaker 1: apparently it's the stains and damage. There was a rock
Speaker 1: that had been dislodge from the cliff above and it
Speaker 1: come down in bast and it was a huge rock, yeah,
Speaker 1: bashed up, you know, tont least. Yeah, and if it
Speaker 1: fell down on the platform where the crane was bent
Speaker 1: up all these cast iron rails and and there, and
Speaker 1: that's something to point out. There was a crane on
Speaker 1: that side, so you I know, the other side you
Speaker 1: said there was the rail line, So it was there
Speaker 1: only a rail line on one side and it was
Speaker 1: just a physical crane on the other or there was
Speaker 1: the rail The rail line split off and went to
Speaker 1: both landings, and there was a crane at each landing
Speaker 1: and the crane was to basically hoist supplies out of
Speaker 1: the supply boat, so the supply boat could come and
Speaker 1: get underneath where the crane was, and then they could
Speaker 1: just lift supplies directly off instead of going through the
Speaker 1: whole arduous process of trying to lift them out of
Speaker 1: a boat alongside the dock and heaving North Atlantic seas.
Speaker 1: Instead they could just like grab them straight off the
Speaker 1: boat and lift them straight up. And a lot for
Speaker 1: bigger shipments too. Yeah. Yeah, so so they had so anyway,
Speaker 1: the rail line want to sell that they had quite
Speaker 1: the infrastructure in this little island and the two rail lines,
Speaker 1: so basically two rail lines, two cranes. As you wouldn't
Speaker 1: I think, as you would hope, Yeah, what's the word?
Speaker 1: I want to say, a you know what? But I'd
Speaker 1: say it would be an arduous process. Let say that. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So in addition to that, the other thing that was
Speaker 1: that was wrong was that that they had kept a
Speaker 1: large wooden box that was full of ropes and stuff
Speaker 1: like that lodged in the rocks about forty ft above
Speaker 1: the crane, which would put it about seventy or about
Speaker 1: a hundred ten ft above sea level, and that had
Speaker 1: been knocked out of his place, and the ropes were
Speaker 1: strewn around the crane, in the rocks around the cran
Speaker 1: wasn't there a buoy that had also been Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a life buoy, And I'm not sure what they
Speaker 1: mean if actually if that's like one of those rings
Speaker 1: you know you see on ships. No, I think booy
Speaker 1: usually refers to either of the like thing that floats
Speaker 1: in the water right that are like pretty heavy, or
Speaker 1: I guess I've every once in a while I've heard
Speaker 1: like a life boat referred to as a buoy, but
Speaker 1: I think probably they mean like the big heavy thing
Speaker 1: that floats in the water right offshore. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that they only referred to it was a life buoy,
Speaker 1: and I had always just assumed it was some sort
Speaker 1: of a throwing ring that you could, like that was
Speaker 1: attached to a rope that usually call in life preservers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly one. But good maybe. I mean this is Scotland.
Speaker 1: I mean they're all messed up. They have a different
Speaker 1: word for everything, okay, Yeah, I mean the trunk is boot, yeah,
Speaker 1: and chips are fries and Frieser chips and they're just
Speaker 1: all screwed up over there, man. Yeah, wa to ostracize
Speaker 1: our friends on the other side. I'm sorry, everybody on
Speaker 1: the other side of the pond. Actually, I love you guys.
Speaker 1: Your blood pudding is my favorite thing in this entire world. Okay,
Speaker 1: So next up in their investigation they look at the
Speaker 1: log book. I did keep a log. I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think that would be the first thing I
Speaker 1: would do. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be like, oh, weird
Speaker 1: this this island is kind of torn apart or whatever.
Speaker 1: I would just be like, oh, I wonder what they
Speaker 1: had to say. No, actually, when the last time they
Speaker 1: wrote in this thing? Yeah, I guess what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is next up in my little speech. They probably I
Speaker 1: probably read the log earlier. Okay, all right, Yeah. The
Speaker 1: log mainly had stuff like just anything that happened that
Speaker 1: was worth worthy of note, and things like stuff about
Speaker 1: the weather, the wind, barometer readings, temperature reading, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: The final entries and the log were a little mysterious.
Speaker 1: So December twelve, here's a quote. Gale north by northwest
Speaker 1: sea lashed fury. Never seen such a storm, waves very high,
Speaker 1: tearing at lighthouse, everything ship shape. James Ducott irritable. Later
Speaker 1: storms still raging, winds steady, storm bound, cannot go out,
Speaker 1: ship passing sounding foghorn could see lights of cabin. Ducott quiet,
Speaker 1: MacArthur crying, Sissy. I know, think about you know, I
Speaker 1: think about it is. I'm not I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: kind of a storm this was. But I mean these
Speaker 1: guys were seasoned veterans, like yeah, I think that's a
Speaker 1: good point to bring up. None of them were fresh
Speaker 1: on this kind of work. Who was Who was the
Speaker 1: one that was in charge? It's Ducott, he was He'd
Speaker 1: been doing this work kind of work. He's obviously got
Speaker 1: a really good idea. So I can see quiet. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that makes me he's like another storm. Okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: James Ducott irritable before that, right. Marshall is the one
Speaker 1: keeping these He's the lowest. Yeah, he's the middle guy.
Speaker 1: Marshall is the middle guy. And Marshall is the one
Speaker 1: who's writing in the log. The he's writing this in
Speaker 1: the log? What's this a little strange and in in itself
Speaker 1: because I mean, the log is something that any of
Speaker 1: these guys could read. And that's that's my problem, is
Speaker 1: that the log is for official recording, not my personal diary.
Speaker 1: And this seems like something you know, the eighteen hundreds, Lady,
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. I'm going to take my observations and I'm
Speaker 1: going to write them down, Like that's what this sort
Speaker 1: of seems like. If you would expect a young man,
Speaker 1: let's say, an eighteen year old man of the times,
Speaker 1: he would make these kind of observations in his writing.
Speaker 1: Is for well, you're you're kind of like spoiling my
Speaker 1: whole thing. That doesn't really matter. I was gonna I
Speaker 1: was going to read all these and them portant point
Speaker 1: out that they're all fake. No, no, I'm not saying fake.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a fake. And then we'll talk
Speaker 1: about talk about whether December thirteen, storm continued tonight when
Speaker 1: shifted west by North, Ducott quiet, MacArthur Prague, later noon
Speaker 1: great daylight me Ducott and MacArthur prayed, and so no
Speaker 1: entry on December fourteen. December fifteenth, there was a single
Speaker 1: last line storm ended seacom God is overall who things
Speaker 1: should have been bold. But so anyway, according to a
Speaker 1: guy whose name I can't recall right now, this was
Speaker 1: actually inserted into the story by a pulp fiction magazine
Speaker 1: somewhat later after the facts. So this is all made up.
Speaker 1: And if you look at if you look at the testimony,
Speaker 1: of Joseph Moore. He says nothing whatsoever about any log,
Speaker 1: any mysterious log entries. There's also a report submitted by
Speaker 1: Robert Muirhead, who was a superintendent and the boss of
Speaker 1: all three of those guys he investigated. He went out
Speaker 1: to the island and looked around and and and saw
Speaker 1: firsthand everything there that everybody else saw. He makes no
Speaker 1: mention whatsoever of any mysterious log entries. Yeah, it says
Speaker 1: here last written entries in the log were for December,
Speaker 1: but particulars for fourteen December and of the time of
Speaker 1: extinguishing the light on fifteen December, along with barometer and
Speaker 1: thermometer readings and state of wind taken at nine am
Speaker 1: on fifteen December were noted on the slate for transference
Speaker 1: later to the log. Exactly they had they had it
Speaker 1: so they had a slate board like a blackboard, and
Speaker 1: they would make notes on that and then eventually you
Speaker 1: know that somebody would put it into the log. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the last the last actual entry was on nothing.
Speaker 1: And he says there was nothing unusual. I mean, while
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't explicitly say that, but clearly if
Speaker 1: there was something unusual he would have written it in
Speaker 1: at And I got to admit that's why every time
Speaker 1: that I was doing the reading on this and I
Speaker 1: would see the log entry section, I ignored it because
Speaker 1: I knew that that kind of writing just didn't make
Speaker 1: sense to be in the long So I'm glad you
Speaker 1: tracked this down, Joe, because that that clears up a
Speaker 1: lot of garbally going oh yeah, that's just yeah. And
Speaker 1: it's a feel like it's like you say, it's not
Speaker 1: credible because again, it's like you're writing stuff in about
Speaker 1: your co workers. Some of them might find offensive. MacArthur,
Speaker 1: I understand, was like a tough guy, you know, like
Speaker 1: a seasoned Mariners have a big tough brother. Yea guy
Speaker 1: and if he if he reads that in the log,
Speaker 1: he might be a little angry with you. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that would be the equivalent. Maybe that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Maybe he saw that and he murdered murdered Marshall. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, that's the equivalent of today writing
Speaker 1: an email to your boss and copying the person that
Speaker 1: your bad mouth. Joe is such a journy. He just
Speaker 1: makes stuff up and talk smack about everybody in the breakroom,
Speaker 1: and you know Joe's carbon copied on it. That would
Speaker 1: be the equivalent. I was going to say, it's the
Speaker 1: reply all right, it's the accidental of reply all of like,
Speaker 1: oh this is bunk. Why did this idiot write this stuff?
Speaker 1: We know this is right. He didn't do his job.
Speaker 1: He was taking a bunch of smoke breaks and you
Speaker 1: didn't have time to write the report. Speaking of a
Speaker 1: smoke breaks, we gotta hurry up and finish the so
Speaker 1: I can have a cigarette. Yeah, anyway, where we at
Speaker 1: where we at here? So when they when they when
Speaker 1: they arrived there, they have and like I said, they
Speaker 1: had to look around and they noted that the morning
Speaker 1: routine have been finished. Whenever you finished up to night,
Speaker 1: you have to do stuff like you've got to refill
Speaker 1: the fuels, the fueling, you know, extinguish the light, refuel it.
Speaker 1: You've got to clean the glass and all that because
Speaker 1: this is a settling light, it's gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit smoky, so you've got to clean stuff up. So
Speaker 1: all that stuff have been done, have been taken care of.
Speaker 1: The kitchen had been cleaned, so obviously they cleaned up
Speaker 1: after themselves for for breakfast or whatever. And the days
Speaker 1: of course they were very short, so they must have
Speaker 1: left somewhere between maybe around new time, late morning and sunset,
Speaker 1: basically days of eleven days and right y, yeah, that
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Yeah, yeah, so and and when the light
Speaker 1: was out in the fifteen so they must have they
Speaker 1: must have disappeared on the fifteen. Well, that makes it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the clues point directly to that
Speaker 1: time frame, so that makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: indications are that they might have left in a hurry.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely if if if MacArthur left his behind,
Speaker 1: left his oil skin behind, that would indicate that he
Speaker 1: left in a hurry. But at the same time, he
Speaker 1: carefully closed the door to the residents and also closed
Speaker 1: the gate outside, which if you left in a hurry,
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a lot of sense. Actually, can I
Speaker 1: can I answer that because I read that and it
Speaker 1: seems like a very odd beus answer to me. There
Speaker 1: was some high winds at the time, And have you
Speaker 1: ever been in a structure or around a fence where
Speaker 1: the gate or the door is unlatched and the wind
Speaker 1: is slamming it back and forth and eventually it will
Speaker 1: slam it shut. And if it's got some kind of
Speaker 1: simple latch on it, it'll latch itself. Yeah. I guess
Speaker 1: that's the only thing, right, is that it depends on
Speaker 1: what kind of latch it is. And that's that's that's
Speaker 1: why I'm saying, if it's if it's a simple latch,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a a lever latch that's got some
Speaker 1: kind of camphor on the back side, so it rides
Speaker 1: up and falls into its groove. It's gonna pop up
Speaker 1: and fall in and suddenly the wind has just shut
Speaker 1: the door for you. I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: things that you you see in in the tornado stories
Speaker 1: from the middle of this country back in the thirties.
Speaker 1: As they talk about the barn doors were ailing back
Speaker 1: and forth and all of a sudden they just slammed shut.
Speaker 1: And it was so strange. It wasn't that strange. It
Speaker 1: was just happened to be that the wind blew in
Speaker 1: a bloom apart and then pull them back together just
Speaker 1: the right time, and everything mats up. I guess my
Speaker 1: counter to that would would would be that these guys
Speaker 1: were seasoned. I mean, you know, I I know we're
Speaker 1: about to get into theories here, but that these guys
Speaker 1: were seasoned lighthouse manners. That's the best way I can
Speaker 1: pays technicians, if you will. Yeah, you know, in a
Speaker 1: storm like whatever ostensibly may have happened or may not
Speaker 1: have happened, you wouldn't like there would be no reason
Speaker 1: to go out into that, particularly past whatever kind of
Speaker 1: fences onto a docking area. So sure, maybe the fence
Speaker 1: closed itself behind them, But like, the bigger mystery here
Speaker 1: is what the heck could have made them leave their
Speaker 1: totally structurally sound stone lighthouse as like frail human beings
Speaker 1: and these gale wind forces and go out to the
Speaker 1: most dangerous place on the island. Yeah, it's well, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not clear that they actually left and went
Speaker 1: out and went out to the landing, because it does
Speaker 1: appear that they may have gone to the landing right,
Speaker 1: and but it's not I'm not so sure that they
Speaker 1: left in the middle of the storm conditions. I think
Speaker 1: they left under calum conditions because obviously nobody in his
Speaker 1: right mind would try to go down those steep stairs.
Speaker 1: I guess that's fair that they could have left before
Speaker 1: and then the gale would have closed it after. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what That's what I was saying, is that
Speaker 1: yes they Okay, we have eleven days between when they
Speaker 1: seem to have disappeared and somebody else showed up. Actually,
Speaker 1: and and let's point out eleven days that we're bad
Speaker 1: enough that the relief could not go in those eleven days.
Speaker 1: Well no, no, not necessarily. Okay, let's let's let's go
Speaker 1: back to that, because there are multi doable versions of
Speaker 1: the story that say, and you alluded to this a
Speaker 1: little bit, is that they knew something was wrong, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't go out because the sea was so bad.
Speaker 1: But regardless, there were bad seas between thee and when
Speaker 1: they it wasn't all sunny sunny night. Yes, there were storms.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna ignore the whole hyper bowl of they
Speaker 1: couldn't get out there and knew something was wrong. Fun,
Speaker 1: We're just going to hone in on the fact that
Speaker 1: there was bad weather. So if somebody did leave in
Speaker 1: a hurry, that would explain why the gate and the
Speaker 1: door were closed, all right, willing to go there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, and as most tellings of this big Mystery conclude,
Speaker 1: why would they what caused them so much terror that
Speaker 1: they fled and you know, one of them missing, you know,
Speaker 1: not taking as oil skin in the YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: So there the mystery leaves off. Well, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's time to work. Got ourselves into
Speaker 1: the theories. Sweet, Okay, it's the number one. How did
Speaker 1: this go so long? Yeah? Ide the number one actually
Speaker 1: because the rest of our shows aren't long. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think most of the major sides for you guys. Okay,
Speaker 1: some of the theories that are out there, I like
Speaker 1: to have some of the really silly theories, like giant
Speaker 1: gigantic birds snatching them off the off the rocks giants,
Speaker 1: Well that's from Yeah, calm down, don't look at me
Speaker 1: like that. Want have the giant gray Beard? Is that?
Speaker 1: How how you're getting the Gandalf reference? Reference? Reference? I
Speaker 1: like reference Joe, Yeah, please continue? Because about this UFO abduction.
Speaker 1: So you're laughing, but I kind of like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you always like the UFO no matter what the instances.
Speaker 1: It's because I'm fall yeah, apologist. But yeah, somebody says
Speaker 1: on Facebook that that's a real word, and now you're
Speaker 1: throwing it at me constantly, just constantly, constantly. All of
Speaker 1: our everything correspond everything. Yeah, every email I get from
Speaker 1: devon ufologist from the from the desk of the ufologist.
Speaker 1: I don't you've changed that to the tag on your emails.
Speaker 1: You gotta put that in mine. It's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: you know, ufologist, future ologist, something like that, entomologists, zoologists,
Speaker 1: crypto zoologists. Yeah, sorry, the UFO dust and I would buy.
Speaker 1: But there's like no little scorch marks from there from
Speaker 1: their rocket exhaust. How do you know the rain washed
Speaker 1: it away? Well, I was going to actually kill the plants.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't know. They want to know there's something when
Speaker 1: they cerci there's no crop rings. Yeah, no crop rings? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of no crops. So can we move on? Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 1: Another theory one of the men maybe went a little crazy,
Speaker 1: which is actually possible. And the circumstances like that, when
Speaker 1: you're cooped up for a month or two with a
Speaker 1: couple of other guys. They hadn't been there that long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've only been there like a month. And how long
Speaker 1: had they been that How long had they worked together?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if these guys had spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time together or not. I don't really know how
Speaker 1: they cycled and rotated people spent time together. But they
Speaker 1: had all done this kind of work exactly. It wasn't
Speaker 1: none of them were green hordes, yeah exactly. And they
Speaker 1: knew how to deal with it, and they knew how
Speaker 1: to not take stuff personally and not go you know,
Speaker 1: and how to be cooped up for weeks on and
Speaker 1: with a couple of other guys crying in the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so many. But that is it's there that
Speaker 1: perhaps one of them went crazy and killed the others
Speaker 1: and then threw himself off the cliff into the sea.
Speaker 1: And you gotta amit. I mean, that's possible. It's not why,
Speaker 1: that's a real stretch. Yeah, another possibility. And this this
Speaker 1: relates to the Mary Soul last also and also the
Speaker 1: Dancing plague, Yeah exactly. And that is that ride that
Speaker 1: ryol that which I forgot the name of. It was
Speaker 1: too lazy there actually go out and look up, but
Speaker 1: that ryl. They have got to hallucinations and all kinds
Speaker 1: of weird stuff, so would explain a lot. Actually, it's
Speaker 1: possible that they ate something that drove them drove down
Speaker 1: a little little nuts to the point where they were like,
Speaker 1: you know, just off having a little fun dancing on
Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff and then whoops, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: dance party in an end. Yeah. Actually, and you know, actually,
Speaker 1: another theory that I thought but I forgot to write down,
Speaker 1: was well, let's again, let's get back to that picture
Speaker 1: of those steep stairs with no handrail or anything like that,
Speaker 1: and they're all just sort of heading down of the
Speaker 1: land and do some maintenance or do something, maybe fishing
Speaker 1: or whatever. And suddenly the guy in the back of
Speaker 1: the line just trips over his shoe lags you know
Speaker 1: that there's a head or it takes the other two
Speaker 1: with them and they go off the cliff. Actually, and
Speaker 1: I there's two things that I'm gonna say here. One
Speaker 1: I could see in a situation like that at that
Speaker 1: time where for safety you would tie each other together.
Speaker 1: So I tie myself to Joe and Oh ties himself
Speaker 1: to Devon, so that if one of us slips, the
Speaker 1: other can anchor. So I could see the first guy slipping,
Speaker 1: dragging the next guy over, who drags the third guy over,
Speaker 1: except I and correct me if this is not right, Joe.
Speaker 1: Everything that I saw was saying that the standard protocol
Speaker 1: was one man was always in the lighthouse. And the
Speaker 1: other two could go where they wanted. Is that correct
Speaker 1: as as far as you could find and you're from
Speaker 1: the board that you were looking at. Yeah, Yeah, my
Speaker 1: understanding is yeah, that was standard operating procedure. But I'm
Speaker 1: not I never got total clarity on whether that was
Speaker 1: seven or if that was only during White House operation hours. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point to make, I have to that.
Speaker 1: One is that only two of the oil skins were missing,
Speaker 1: So two guys could have been down there, right, something
Speaker 1: could have gone wrong and the other dude like ran
Speaker 1: out to try and help them and unsuccessful. Right. The
Speaker 1: other point that I would make is that I feel
Speaker 1: that it would be counterintuitive on steps like that to
Speaker 1: anchor each like each other, right that Like, actually the
Speaker 1: right way to do that would be one person goes
Speaker 1: all the way down and once they're off the stairs completely,
Speaker 1: the next person comes down. To see that with ladders
Speaker 1: in like in theater tech stuff for instance, you don't
Speaker 1: you know, if there's a fall hazard, you don't rope
Speaker 1: yourself together, you do it completely separately. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: take that to make a lot more sense. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean definitely, if I was walking down that stairway, the
Speaker 1: something got right behind me. I'd be dude, back off, lea,
Speaker 1: this is this is the wrong time to pull the
Speaker 1: and startle somebody. Maybe that's what happened. I got you,
Speaker 1: joke gone wrong splash. Yeah so okay. And also it
Speaker 1: could have been a banana appeal on the stairs. Yeah okay.
Speaker 1: So next Therey ghosts, and apparently there were there were.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is nineteen Hunters, so there's still people
Speaker 1: who are believed in ghosts. In factly there's still people
Speaker 1: to believe in that stuff these days. Please explain this
Speaker 1: to me, Arthur Conan Doyle. Yeah, yeah, there were, but
Speaker 1: some people have Some people apparently believed that the islands
Speaker 1: were haunted, and you were called you you said that
Speaker 1: I told that story about the shoppers bringing their sheep over,
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't spend the night, So there was there
Speaker 1: was there was something some who said that the quote
Speaker 1: phantoms of the Seven Hunters and that and the phantoms
Speaker 1: of the Seven Hunters. The Seven Hunters were the other
Speaker 1: name for those seven islands once they were called the
Speaker 1: Seven Hunters. I personally believe that people didn't stay there
Speaker 1: overnight because it sucked. Yeah, probably that too, And there
Speaker 1: was no rest, worst vacation ever in the rain. But yes,
Speaker 1: but there were something that claimed that the phantoms of
Speaker 1: the Seven Hunters somehow lured or frightened the men into
Speaker 1: going over the cliffs. Another one was that they rode away,
Speaker 1: and why they would do that, I don't know. It
Speaker 1: seems kind of insane to me. But supposedly, and again
Speaker 1: I'm about a d percent sure that this isn't more
Speaker 1: made up stuff. Shipping in the fair wind was passing
Speaker 1: the area the night of the fifteen, and the crew
Speaker 1: of the fairwe claimed was seen a quote ghostly longboat unquote. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, bunk. There were three men rowing the boat
Speaker 1: who were dressed in heavy rain gear and who reportedly
Speaker 1: had faces with quote the color of bone unquote. So
Speaker 1: the crew of the fairwold called out to the men
Speaker 1: in the boat and blasted the horn, but the men
Speaker 1: of the longboat ignored. Obviously, we can disprove this immediately
Speaker 1: because only two of them had their heavy grain gear exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that could have been It could have been some
Speaker 1: other lighthouse keepers from the next island down, I guess,
Speaker 1: but yeah, because there are so many lighthouses on those islands. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're not gonna necessary We're not We're gonna kind
Speaker 1: of discount that. In fact, I'm almost not to present
Speaker 1: certain that either some news some enterprising newsman made this up,
Speaker 1: or novelists made this up, or the crew of the
Speaker 1: fair One made it up. I really wish that newsmen
Speaker 1: in the nineteen hundreds could realize how their sensational headlines
Speaker 1: would just screw everything up for everybody later on to
Speaker 1: trying to find out the real story. No, because we
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a show much easier, and you have to
Speaker 1: wait through so much garbage news been a news century
Speaker 1: or pretty much doing the same thing crap. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: people people in the twenty century, you're gonna be saying
Speaker 1: the same thing. They're gonna be having that little podcast.
Speaker 1: I said, God knows what it will be called. It'll
Speaker 1: be called it'll be something from in the New Order world,
Speaker 1: the New World Orders language. Yeah. Yeah, hello, let's just
Speaker 1: thinking sideways. You're a government sponsored podcast that the goal
Speaker 1: is Yeah, pretty much alright, Next sory reef madness. I
Speaker 1: thought that was the bread bold different Yeah, mans so
Speaker 1: discovered him on the men's effect were No, I'm putting
Speaker 1: that Joe you're totally making this up as I'm actually
Speaker 1: reading your text. This is so you should be approving
Speaker 1: the shows. We would red light a lot of this text. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys saying you think we can rule out re FORMID. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your last one? Here? Last one is that they
Speaker 1: went down to one of the landings for one reason
Speaker 1: or another um and a big rogue sneaker wave came
Speaker 1: in and nabbed him all and drug wants to see you.
Speaker 1: That's crazy talk, Yeah, that's crazy talk. I have a theory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the doctor. Could have been. I think there
Speaker 1: was a colonel. It was a colonel on the study
Speaker 1: with the candlestick. Now, obviously the doctor came with the
Speaker 1: tartist that doctor, Okay, obviously, I mean they disappeared without
Speaker 1: a trade. He would have come to save them. He
Speaker 1: destroyed the cybermen that were on the island underneath. They
Speaker 1: knew a bet it was be Cyberman because the Dark
Speaker 1: List You're just too easy, So it's got to be
Speaker 1: Cyberman this time. Maybe it was the lizard people again,
Speaker 1: lizard people freaking hate the lizard people. Always the lizard people. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what what do you you you're you're furiously going
Speaker 1: through notes. I'm looking at well, I'm looking through to
Speaker 1: Mr Muir has report here, and obviously metal men were
Speaker 1: not on it. Yeah, no, no, because the doctor took
Speaker 1: care of it. Well, he did say, he did say
Speaker 1: in his report that Joseph Moore told him that the
Speaker 1: only time he was familiar with these guys, and the
Speaker 1: only time they put on their oil skins, was when
Speaker 1: they went down to one of the landings, which would
Speaker 1: indicate to me that a couple of them went down
Speaker 1: to one of the landings, most likely the Western Landing,
Speaker 1: which is apparently a lot of brew ha ha happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and um, so that would tend to support the whole
Speaker 1: idea that they went down there to do a little
Speaker 1: maintenance or inspect the damage that had occurred. Although you know,
Speaker 1: again there's no mention of any entry in the log
Speaker 1: about the damage that occurred, so maybe it occurred even afterwards,
Speaker 1: who knows, Maybe they were down there for some other reason,
Speaker 1: But that would lend me to believe that a couple
Speaker 1: of them went down there to the landing to do
Speaker 1: something and then the other guy left for some reason
Speaker 1: of chas him down there, leaving his oilskins behind, And
Speaker 1: it might have been it might have been that the
Speaker 1: weather was actually halfway decent on that day. It didn't
Speaker 1: feel a need for it. He just left without oil skins.
Speaker 1: Who knows. But then Mr big sneaker wave comes in,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're on the front of that wave.
Speaker 1: Is I gett you on a surfboard? So I think
Speaker 1: that's the only h The other thing that was that
Speaker 1: I thought was a possibility is that perhaps there was
Speaker 1: an earthquake, because remember there was a big one ton
Speaker 1: of stone that was dis large. Imagine if imagine if
Speaker 1: you're down there on this landing and a big earthquake
Speaker 1: happens along, or maybe you're actually walking down to steep
Speaker 1: precarious stairs down there, the earthquake comes along, boom boom, boom,
Speaker 1: you know, getting knocked off into the sea. So I
Speaker 1: was thinking that it's possible they had an earthquake. I
Speaker 1: guess I suspect that, um, you know, twenty miles is
Speaker 1: a long way for light to travel in those days,
Speaker 1: not so far away for an earthquake. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: you know, people who are keeping more meticulous logs would
Speaker 1: have said, oh, there was an earthquake, particularly if they
Speaker 1: were a coastal town or shipping docks because the because
Speaker 1: of tsunami problems, and they knew about tsunami's back then,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't you know, they would that would have
Speaker 1: been something that they would have said. Oh and also
Speaker 1: there was this weird earthquake that happened. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that's that's that kind of like makes that
Speaker 1: theory a little tender. But yeah, so, but I guess
Speaker 1: that's totally It's possible that that rock just gave way.
Speaker 1: I mean happens sometimes. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it could have been I mean wave action. I mean
Speaker 1: it does appear. I mean, for example, that box which
Speaker 1: was stored sea level was washed out by a wave.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like occasionally waves came in, came in
Speaker 1: in some waves, some big sneaker anomalous wave came in
Speaker 1: and and nabbed that box and knocked it out. And
Speaker 1: even if it didn't necessarily get the guy that that's happening, occasionally,
Speaker 1: that rock is going to be getting pounded on. It's
Speaker 1: gonna get loosen up sooner or later. Over time, it's
Speaker 1: just gonna just go. And if they had the bad
Speaker 1: luck to be down there underneath it on the landing
Speaker 1: or by the crane or whatever. Then you know they
Speaker 1: could have been knocked off by it. They could have
Speaker 1: been killed by it and knocked off. So and of
Speaker 1: course days went by, it rained a lot in the meantime,
Speaker 1: so all the blood got all the blood and everything
Speaker 1: got washed off. Okay, so do you guys want to
Speaker 1: expound in that last series anymore? Well? YouTube is that
Speaker 1: kind of where you two are? I'm sticking with reefer madness,
Speaker 1: and I'm okay. I actually have got to say that
Speaker 1: when I was doing the reading, I think that, as
Speaker 1: Joe put it, the sneaker wave is the most likely theory,
Speaker 1: and and I have I have some pretty good reasoning
Speaker 1: behind it, because I was reading accounts of people who
Speaker 1: had gone to that island, and anybody who hasn't yet
Speaker 1: take the time look at the pictures. As Joe said,
Speaker 1: it's an itsy bitsy landing with a sharp staircase, and
Speaker 1: there were people who were visiting that and it's calm seas,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they look out and they
Speaker 1: see a big wave rolling in and crashing against the
Speaker 1: side of the island for no reason. Just I don't
Speaker 1: know where giant wave. Let's fair for a reason, but
Speaker 1: not for I discernible from humans. Right, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a rogue wave, and it is a huge sixty foot
Speaker 1: crest that it causes. And this guy watched it and
Speaker 1: he said something to the person that was working. They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that happens from time to time, and we've almost lost
Speaker 1: some guys. You just gotta be watched out for those
Speaker 1: and and hang on, which basically think if they don't
Speaker 1: know that's coming. And they're down on that landing where
Speaker 1: the crane is and they're getting ready for the relief ship,
Speaker 1: and then the last guy who's up top all of
Speaker 1: a sudden looks out and sees that wave and goes
Speaker 1: booking outside to say, hey, you guys, get out of there.
Speaker 1: Hang on this wave. These waves, the one that they
Speaker 1: talked about, it crashed at the sea level is just
Speaker 1: below the landing and they said that it when it
Speaker 1: hit the water was seventy feet above sea level. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a huge amount of water to be coming across
Speaker 1: a ten foot landing. You can't hold onto anything, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get sucked out. And the poor soul who is
Speaker 1: who whichever one it is that's running to tell his friends,
Speaker 1: probably can't yell from the top. He's got a hoof
Speaker 1: down the stairs part way to yell at him, so
Speaker 1: now he's getting sucked up into. That's what makes me
Speaker 1: think that it's the road wave. It's just because there's
Speaker 1: reports of these crazy calm seas all of a sudden
Speaker 1: road wave out of nowhere, just you know, fifty forty
Speaker 1: thirty seventy feet high, just washes everything out. That's what
Speaker 1: That's what makes me inclined to believe it's that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably is, although it's still a little bit of
Speaker 1: a head scratcher because these guys were very experienced and
Speaker 1: they knew that the sea could do stuff like this,
Speaker 1: but they're not used to that particular area to know
Speaker 1: what to look out for. The sea is different. They
Speaker 1: were new to that particular spot. Maybe they just weren't expecting, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, or they weren't paying attention. Oh thank god,
Speaker 1: the release ship is going to be here. I can
Speaker 1: see my wife, I can get off this bloody island.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Yeah, you know, I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: whole host of reasons why they may not have seen
Speaker 1: it now, It's like it's it's not surprising at all.
Speaker 1: It's what is a little surprising. I said, all three
Speaker 1: of them were lost. It's not surprising that one of
Speaker 1: them got swept away, but all three at the same time.
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, you know that is a little shocking.
Speaker 1: I maintain it was the doctor. Okay, the doctor. Fine,
Speaker 1: that is that is a very sound theory. That's why
Speaker 1: I said it. Okay, okay, So Devin selves a mystery,
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Speaker 1: And last of all, I would like to thank our
Speaker 1: listener Jacob who suggested this particular little mystery. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of mysteries out there, and even listener suggested
Speaker 1: ones suggested ones I've usually heard of before, but this
Speaker 1: particularly one I had actually not heard of. Had you
Speaker 1: guys heard of the particular one. I think that I
Speaker 1: may have come across it once, but I just breathed
Speaker 1: by it because I I think when I came across
Speaker 1: was kind of a Merry Celest style version of it,
Speaker 1: and so I just never gave it any thoughts. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad it was suggested because there was a lot
Speaker 1: more meat to this than I realized. Yeah, we're rocking
Speaker 1: the listeners suggestions these days, so we better we better
Speaker 1: like get some more suggestions from you guys so that
Speaker 1: we can rebuild our database of running out and we
Speaker 1: don't want have to go out and find our own mystery.
Speaker 1: We don't want to do that. I actually, you know,
Speaker 1: I go out and I just do goog stuff like
Speaker 1: lamest unsolved mystery. Steve is laughing, but I think this
Speaker 1: is actually what he dies. Yeah, really obviously really obvious
Speaker 1: unsolved mysteries stuff like that, solved unsolved mystery because I
Speaker 1: started dot com Yeah, originally was minding this little vein
Speaker 1: which we call on Google like unsolved mysteries, and well
Speaker 1: that leads you to that, that leads you to the
Speaker 1: same websites every single time. Yeah, it's kind of tough anyway.
Speaker 1: So yeah, again, Jacob, thanks appreciate the suggestion and hope
Speaker 1: you liked our treatment of it. If we overlooked anything,
Speaker 1: then please contact us and let us know and maybe
Speaker 1: we'll have to do a redo. Well maybe I'll an
Speaker 1: update something like that. Anyway, So that is it until
Speaker 1: next week, by everybody. Do