1
00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:16,960
Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't just stories of things we simply

2
00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,600
Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Well. Hi there, and then

3
00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,279
Speaker 1: welcome once again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm

4
00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,440
Speaker 1: Joe and I'm joined by Steve. Okay, and Joe is

5
00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:36,520
Speaker 1: doing is William Chattner voice? I was thinking voice would

6
00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,800
Speaker 1: be like, and this is Thinking Sideways podcast? Yeah, okay,

7
00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,199
Speaker 1: So anyway, let's let's get right down to it. And

8
00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,120
Speaker 1: by the way, before we started with today's unsolved mystery,

9
00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,360
Speaker 1: we get a little happy celebration, a little happy occasion.

10
00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,000
Speaker 1: I guess to celebrate. I guess that's what I meant

11
00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,520
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, okay, anyway, it's more better. This is

12
00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,440
Speaker 1: our one year anniversary. I maintain it was last year

13
00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,200
Speaker 1: last week. No, yeah, this is our fifty third episode. Therefore,

14
00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,160
Speaker 1: this is one year. Is there going to be cake? Uh? Yeah,

15
00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,680
Speaker 1: we already ate it. We got here before you did,

16
00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,880
Speaker 1: so it was a lie. Yeah, and we got one

17
00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,760
Speaker 1: from you know, the ice cream cakes from Basket and

18
00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,440
Speaker 1: Robbins because it's so hot out it was awesome? Are

19
00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:25,000
Speaker 1: you lying? It was just yeah, and the and the commissary.

20
00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,800
Speaker 1: We do have a little bit of Sherbett in the freezer.

21
00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,479
Speaker 1: If great, I'll take it on a daylight today, Yeah,

22
00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,480
Speaker 1: I will take Yeah. It's actually we've got the A

23
00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,320
Speaker 1: C turned off in the studio here because it's a

24
00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,480
Speaker 1: little noisy, and so we're swaltering degree. He has not

25
00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,720
Speaker 1: enjoined this. We're gonna talk really fast to get this

26
00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,639
Speaker 1: over whistle to turn the A C back on. Okay,

27
00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,880
Speaker 1: so let's dive right into this and saw us a

28
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,960
Speaker 1: mystery today we're going to talk about. It's a mystery

29
00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a ghost ship. You remember the

30
00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,680
Speaker 1: Mary Celeste kind of creepy thing and Joe's wheelhouse totally. Yeah,

31
00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,480
Speaker 1: well this is like a ghost shift, except it's a

32
00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,880
Speaker 1: ghost island. Who uh so, Yeah, these people are showing

33
00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,120
Speaker 1: up expecting other people to be there because they're supposed

34
00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,880
Speaker 1: to be there, and they've disappeared and the place is

35
00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,360
Speaker 1: completely deserted. Creeper what that would actually kind of creep

36
00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,600
Speaker 1: me out, and I think and some of the people

37
00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,560
Speaker 1: that actually actually were involved with this were just a

38
00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,640
Speaker 1: little creeped out. But so these people disappeared and to

39
00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,120
Speaker 1: this day, no one has a clue what happened to them.

40
00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,359
Speaker 1: And I say to this day, because of course this

41
00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,639
Speaker 1: is the day, we're going to solve the riddle. Yeah,

42
00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,960
Speaker 1: I know. So the people who disappeared were the lighthouse

43
00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,960
Speaker 1: keepers at ellan Moore. I'm sure some of you maybe

44
00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,280
Speaker 1: have heard of this. Maybe. Ellen Moore is a is

45
00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,880
Speaker 1: an island about thirty nine acres. It's the largest of

46
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,280
Speaker 1: the largest of the flanting islands or flanting isles. I

47
00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,400
Speaker 1: guess you would say the Scottish in the isles. Yeah,

48
00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,600
Speaker 1: that's the flatting aisles. Where's your accent the flant and

49
00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how to know. Yeah, So the flanting

50
00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,640
Speaker 1: aisles are in the Outer Hebrides, and which means that

51
00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,960
Speaker 1: like there are sort of northwest of northwest Scotland, and

52
00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,600
Speaker 1: the Outer Hebrides are even more outer than that, even

53
00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,960
Speaker 1: more northwest, so they're they're kind of isolated in this

54
00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,560
Speaker 1: little chunk of rock thirty nine acres. Yeah, it's just

55
00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,640
Speaker 1: just out there in the middle of nowhere. But it

56
00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,519
Speaker 1: was like kind of a kind of a rough neighborhood

57
00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,359
Speaker 1: for ships and stuff like that, and there were shipwrecks

58
00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,320
Speaker 1: out there. So they started to build a lighthouse in

59
00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,360
Speaker 1: the eight and because it was so rough building on

60
00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,799
Speaker 1: this particular little rock, they didn't open up for business

61
00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,919
Speaker 1: until eighteen, so it took him four years, looking four

62
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,440
Speaker 1: years to build a simple little lighthouse. While it was

63
00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,200
Speaker 1: it was a fairly I mean, I think it was

64
00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,120
Speaker 1: an interesting construction of the lighthouse. Oh yeah, I mean

65
00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,160
Speaker 1: it's not just the lighthouse. But they had to like

66
00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,480
Speaker 1: get all this crap like out of the water in

67
00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,960
Speaker 1: these heaving North Atlantic seas, you know, and and drag

68
00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,120
Speaker 1: it off on shore. And they had to build stairways

69
00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,680
Speaker 1: and a little railway to hall supplies with all the

70
00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,160
Speaker 1: way up to the peak of the island to build

71
00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,360
Speaker 1: the lighthouse on it. It was, it was. It was

72
00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,600
Speaker 1: just a normal lighthouse. There wasn't anything nothing special about

73
00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,560
Speaker 1: It was just just a stack stone lighthouse about seven

74
00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,520
Speaker 1: pretty standard, yeah, pretty standard. And then of course I

75
00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,000
Speaker 1: had the attached the lighthouse keepers quarters, which is like

76
00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,840
Speaker 1: in a small little building like you'd expect typical little lighthouse. Yeah.

77
00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,600
Speaker 1: And so anyway, there were it was. It was manned

78
00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,960
Speaker 1: by three people. Are three guys, I should say, uh,

79
00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,200
Speaker 1: and the three guys In December of nineteen hundred hundred,

80
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,000
Speaker 1: fourteen years ago, the three guys disappeared without a trace,

81
00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,359
Speaker 1: and nobody knows why. So what's the story here. Come on,

82
00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,560
Speaker 1: you're you're you're giving me a cliffhanger here, and that's

83
00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,039
Speaker 1: not okay. You gotta you gotta fill in the missing details.

84
00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:40,560
Speaker 1: So for pictures, visit our website. Yeah, send us an email. Yeah. Anyway,

85
00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,920
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say, I'm gonna cut to the chase.

86
00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,560
Speaker 1: It was a it was an ocean going jetty. Cut

87
00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,960
Speaker 1: it out, cut it out, all right. So the first

88
00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,640
Speaker 1: clue that something was wrong was on the night of

89
00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,960
Speaker 1: December fifteen, nineteen hundred, the steamship SS Arc Tour in

90
00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,560
Speaker 1: some versions of the story say the Archer. But I've

91
00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,920
Speaker 1: heard it as an Arc tour. I've seen, I've seen

92
00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,800
Speaker 1: both ways. Yeah, so I passed through the island and

93
00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,760
Speaker 1: I was expecting to see the light, but the light

94
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,800
Speaker 1: was not on when they actually when they arrived in

95
00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,159
Speaker 1: their import, they reported it, but apparently whoever at the

96
00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,320
Speaker 1: port they reported it too, didn't pass it along to

97
00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,480
Speaker 1: the Northern Lighthouse Board where it was the shipping companies

98
00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:23,560
Speaker 1: who they Yeah, yeah, apparently they didn't report it. Somebody

99
00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,320
Speaker 1: was lazy. Yeah, we've all been there. Yeah, I've had

100
00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,680
Speaker 1: a nickel for every time I slacked at work. Well,

101
00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, I've got style Twitter to look at. I'm

102
00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,400
Speaker 1: not I'm not filing this TPS report. Yes, yes, Steam Twitter. Yeah,

103
00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, I forgot because I'm busy hauling boxes off

104
00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,320
Speaker 1: of this ship and somebody in passing was like, oh,

105
00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird that this light was out. Yeah,

106
00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,800
Speaker 1: and You're like, okay, fifty pounds of manure on top

107
00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,599
Speaker 1: of me. But they had correct me if I'm wrong.

108
00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,600
Speaker 1: I swear. I remember when I was reading about the

109
00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,400
Speaker 1: ship that reported it, they said they did it via wireless.

110
00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,960
Speaker 1: I've heard it both ways. And did they have wireless communication?

111
00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,279
Speaker 1: Did they had radio technology at the point right, Yeah,

112
00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,840
Speaker 1: like a telegram? Yeah, I've heard it both ways. One

113
00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,919
Speaker 1: of the one in most of the stories that I

114
00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:16,839
Speaker 1: see he'd waited till portant to report this, and I questioning.

115
00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,039
Speaker 1: I was questioning the day and age, how many ships

116
00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,360
Speaker 1: would have a radio But yeah, I don't know. I'm

117
00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,039
Speaker 1: sure it wasn't. Not every ship had, and I'm sure yeah,

118
00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,480
Speaker 1: but I don't think he was that far up from

119
00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,840
Speaker 1: port either than maybe a day or something like that.

120
00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,040
Speaker 1: Uh So. Also they also, by the way, I didn't

121
00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,320
Speaker 1: know this until I started researching this story, but apparently

122
00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,320
Speaker 1: the old days in the lighthouses, they would hire somebody

123
00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,080
Speaker 1: who was who lived on the coast to actually watched

124
00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,640
Speaker 1: the lighthouse to a telescope. I mean not seven, but

125
00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,839
Speaker 1: he would. His job was to basically check on a

126
00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,920
Speaker 1: periodically and make sure the light was burning. And they

127
00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,719
Speaker 1: had actually hired a gamekeeper on the on the closest

128
00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,360
Speaker 1: island to keep an eye on things. And he reported

129
00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,560
Speaker 1: he in his log that he hadn't seen it on

130
00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,479
Speaker 1: certain days, but again the weather was so heavy that

131
00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:10,200
Speaker 1: they were it was like twenty miles away. So well,

132
00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,360
Speaker 1: And I think a thing to point out to everybody

133
00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,320
Speaker 1: here is this is not a modern lighthouse. This is

134
00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,000
Speaker 1: a wick with mirrors around it to shine light. And

135
00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,840
Speaker 1: I think correct me if I'm wrong, Joe. But wasn't

136
00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,000
Speaker 1: it It shown about twenty miles I don't remember the

137
00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,560
Speaker 1: kind of power, but it showed out to see it

138
00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,760
Speaker 1: about you can see it about twenty miles away on

139
00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,239
Speaker 1: a clear night, and it was really interesting. Is the

140
00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,640
Speaker 1: the lens system that they use, I want to say

141
00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,040
Speaker 1: it was a French design, yeah, and it and it

142
00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,280
Speaker 1: was set up in a way that it had eight

143
00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,200
Speaker 1: panels so that it would have a long arc and

144
00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,120
Speaker 1: a short burst as it went around in the course

145
00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,400
Speaker 1: of a minute, so in a minute, you would get

146
00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,480
Speaker 1: eight flashes, so that you knew that that was a lighthouse,

147
00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,120
Speaker 1: and that was how you identified that particulcular lighthouse, because

148
00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,760
Speaker 1: each one was slightly different, so that if I was

149
00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,200
Speaker 1: a hundred miles farther down the coast, that lighthouse would

150
00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,720
Speaker 1: have a different pattern, so I knew where I was

151
00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,880
Speaker 1: in the dark. Yeah, it's a pretty ingenious little system. Yeah,

152
00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,240
Speaker 1: And I think about those fresnels, the lenses. I don't

153
00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,000
Speaker 1: know if you've ever been to a real lighthouse and

154
00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,120
Speaker 1: seeing those things. They're huge. I mean they're huge lenses

155
00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,800
Speaker 1: and very elaborate. If you go to the coast, the coast,

156
00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,960
Speaker 1: the coast, we've got some white houses down there, and

157
00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,080
Speaker 1: you see some of them down there. But we can't

158
00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,880
Speaker 1: make those things today. We don't. I mean, we don't

159
00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,079
Speaker 1: have the craftsmanship, the craftsmanship and the tools to make

160
00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,440
Speaker 1: those things anymore. I have seen the Bob the builder

161
00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,200
Speaker 1: where they have to replace the mirror in the limp

162
00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:46,080
Speaker 1: little so that kind of like perfect allegory. Yeah, I think, Yeah,

163
00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,120
Speaker 1: I go to uh, I want us really close by

164
00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,079
Speaker 1: as to Cape Mer's lighthouse on the coast, and unfortunately,

165
00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,880
Speaker 1: a couple of what's the word I'm thinking of, you know, jerks, jerks,

166
00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:05,320
Speaker 1: jerks not nice people? Yeah, bozos yeah, perfect, yeah, yeah, yeah.

167
00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,120
Speaker 1: They shot it up but it's still mostly intact. But

168
00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,120
Speaker 1: they still busted it up pretty good. And it's like,

169
00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,079
Speaker 1: you know, dude, that was like a hundred year old

170
00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,560
Speaker 1: piece of glass. More than that, I think. Yeah, those darks, yeah,

171
00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,800
Speaker 1: those what thung darks? I'm just trying to make up

172
00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:30,200
Speaker 1: a word that sounds appropriately offensive. Yeah, anyway, you guys go, yeah,

173
00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,520
Speaker 1: go check that out. Those lenses are pretty interesting. They're

174
00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,600
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Well, anyway, so back to our story. They

175
00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,680
Speaker 1: had a guy on shore watching. He noted that he

176
00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,960
Speaker 1: hadn't seen it, but again, it had heavy weather, so

177
00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't sure if he wasn't seeing because he had

178
00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,040
Speaker 1: actually not seen it on nights when it was still burning. Okay,

179
00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,480
Speaker 1: so wait they had there was heavy weather. Yeah, I

180
00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,560
Speaker 1: feel this is important to the continuation of the story.

181
00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,840
Speaker 1: So there had been heavy weather. Yeah, I mean, this

182
00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,440
Speaker 1: is like the North Atlantic in December in the wintertime.

183
00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,760
Speaker 1: It's a very lot. It's that this the latitude of

184
00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,440
Speaker 1: this is approximably fifty eight degrees north. Yeah, so I

185
00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,959
Speaker 1: just want to clarify for where this story is going. Yeah,

186
00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,840
Speaker 1: there was, in fact bad weather, Yeah, intermittent bad weather.

187
00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't constant bad weather the entire I just wanted

188
00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,120
Speaker 1: to be sure, making you wonder why people would want

189
00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,600
Speaker 1: to live up there. You said it was fifty eight

190
00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,640
Speaker 1: degrees degrees north. Yeah, I'm trying of I'm trying to

191
00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,600
Speaker 1: think of like a major city or landmark that we

192
00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,920
Speaker 1: could equate that too for people to think about it

193
00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,960
Speaker 1: on the globe and Vancouver, BC. Yeah, I think Vancouver

194
00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,400
Speaker 1: is not that not nearly that far enough, not far enough.

195
00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,880
Speaker 1: So it's farther than than Vancouver, British Columbia. Yeah, it's

196
00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,040
Speaker 1: up there. So how many miles in a degree? Well,

197
00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:52,880
Speaker 1: we're about about which is just south of us. Yeah, um,

198
00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,760
Speaker 1: so where are we at, like forty nine maybe even

199
00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,520
Speaker 1: that are even that far wen something like that, so

200
00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,640
Speaker 1: that Vancouver is kind of I'm just thinking about to

201
00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,680
Speaker 1: equate it to the West coast in the East Coast,

202
00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's way north of Massachusetts probably, you know.

203
00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,280
Speaker 1: And then I don't even know where to equate it

204
00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,960
Speaker 1: on the European But it's it's pretty far. Just to

205
00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,079
Speaker 1: give you an idea, I checked. I just happened to

206
00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,880
Speaker 1: check today and I did a little google on sunset

207
00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,480
Speaker 1: time and I found it. I found a town on

208
00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,160
Speaker 1: the on the club in Scotland that's basically just due

209
00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,280
Speaker 1: east of this island. It's about fifty degrees and what

210
00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,680
Speaker 1: what And I looked at the sunset time for today,

211
00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,960
Speaker 1: ten thirty three in the evening. It's one of the sunsets,

212
00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,320
Speaker 1: so it may be kind of like Alaska. It's kind

213
00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,160
Speaker 1: of like it's so it's way up there then, so

214
00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,680
Speaker 1: this is almost subarctic. Yeah, and that's and and of

215
00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,040
Speaker 1: course in the wintertime, and this this took place in

216
00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:56,560
Speaker 1: December day it's still some pretty cruddy weather. Yeah. Okay,

217
00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,920
Speaker 1: well that's that's good context to know. That's what I

218
00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,040
Speaker 1: was trying to try get a handle on. So any

219
00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,800
Speaker 1: way back to our story here, So the crew working

220
00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,640
Speaker 1: in the lighthouse, again, I said there were three guys.

221
00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,720
Speaker 1: They were named James Ducat, who was and I had

222
00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,440
Speaker 1: sorry for his errors. If i'm his errors, If I'm mispronouncing,

223
00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,720
Speaker 1: it's probably Ducatt. It could be Ducat. Let's probably something

224
00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:24,760
Speaker 1: even more for Ducatt. Donald McArthur and Thomas Marshall. So

225
00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,559
Speaker 1: Ducatt was the head lighthouse keeper, so he was a

226
00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,960
Speaker 1: boss man. Marshall was the second lighthousekeeper, and then Donald

227
00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,800
Speaker 1: McArthur was referred to as an occasional, which meant that

228
00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,440
Speaker 1: he didn't do it. It's full time and the other guys.

229
00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,440
Speaker 1: I guess the According to the story, the report got

230
00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,559
Speaker 1: in to the to the authorities that the lighthouse was out,

231
00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,000
Speaker 1: but the weather was too bad to actually take a

232
00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,920
Speaker 1: ship out to check on it, so it took eleven

233
00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,880
Speaker 1: days before they could make the crossing to investigate. Um.

234
00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,800
Speaker 1: The official record says that no, they had no idea

235
00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,320
Speaker 1: that the why I had even been out. They just

236
00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,640
Speaker 1: desperus was going on in a regular mission to um

237
00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,520
Speaker 1: take a guy out for to relieve one of the

238
00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,360
Speaker 1: members of the crew and take supplies out. Yeah. Yeah,

239
00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean the official record, you know, because

240
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,880
Speaker 1: I read all the stories that were out there, and

241
00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of kind of melodramatic stuff about you.

242
00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they were beside themselves with worry about that. Yeah,

243
00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,600
Speaker 1: because that's that's most of the stories that I see,

244
00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,120
Speaker 1: And I have a feeling that the age of this

245
00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,880
Speaker 1: story there's a lot of embellishment. Oh yeah, yeah, so,

246
00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,240
Speaker 1: um so, actually they were just on a regularly scheduled trip.

247
00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,680
Speaker 1: They were supposed to go out and just and on

248
00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,480
Speaker 1: a relief And you were able to find that official report. Yeah,

249
00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,480
Speaker 1: that's on the Northern Lighthouse Boards website. Actually, they still exist,

250
00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,400
Speaker 1: they're still here. They still they have a website and

251
00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,000
Speaker 1: they published some documents related to this incident, which we'll

252
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,559
Speaker 1: talk about in a few minutes. So anyway, so they

253
00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,040
Speaker 1: showed up without a clue that the light hasn't even

254
00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,520
Speaker 1: been out, but according to the story, they were dreadfully worried.

255
00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,240
Speaker 1: The crew of the light house should have been expecting

256
00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,840
Speaker 1: relief and they should have had the relief flag flying,

257
00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,400
Speaker 1: and they would it would be expected that they would

258
00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,760
Speaker 1: have boxes down the landing to be refilled with supplies

259
00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,320
Speaker 1: and truck back up because and I probably didn't mention this,

260
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,280
Speaker 1: um maybe I did. They had besides stairways, they had

261
00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,360
Speaker 1: a little railway line. It was steam power day, had

262
00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,120
Speaker 1: a steam powered engine up in the main hot warehouse

263
00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,200
Speaker 1: or the main lighthouse, so that basically, through a series

264
00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,880
Speaker 1: of cables and pulleys would would let these carts down

265
00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,040
Speaker 1: and drag them back up put the supplies, and so

266
00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,560
Speaker 1: they probably would have had that little steam car, steam

267
00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,880
Speaker 1: powered car waiting down there, would be loaded up with supplies.

268
00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,280
Speaker 1: They're kind of creepy little rails now at this point there,

269
00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, super abandoned railway desolate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

270
00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,600
Speaker 1: you noticed like they built right next to it, they

271
00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,480
Speaker 1: built a stairway. And if you look at the there's

272
00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,160
Speaker 1: pictures out there in the web of some of these

273
00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,560
Speaker 1: things as they exist today. And so you had to say,

274
00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,680
Speaker 1: there's curving down steeply and there's a stairway on the

275
00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,240
Speaker 1: outside on the cliff side of it. What's to me,

276
00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,400
Speaker 1: I would have put the stairway on the overboard. I

277
00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,800
Speaker 1: don't want to. Yeah, yeah, but they put this the stairway,

278
00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,840
Speaker 1: and you know, and and the photos the stairway has

279
00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,880
Speaker 1: no handrail, yeah, and it's pretty steep, and it's like

280
00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,920
Speaker 1: right next to a big old cliff. Yeah. So yeah,

281
00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,840
Speaker 1: it's like I'd be very very carefully going up and

282
00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,640
Speaker 1: down that thing. Uh So. Anyway, so they're expecting that

283
00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,480
Speaker 1: they're expecting these guys, at least one of the members

284
00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,200
Speaker 1: of the crew to be down there on this landing

285
00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,280
Speaker 1: that there's a landing not too far above sea level

286
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,880
Speaker 1: where the boat ties up to, and they would expect

287
00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,000
Speaker 1: those guys because I mean it's a big event for them.

288
00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been on this think for like a

289
00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,760
Speaker 1: month without any human contact. Three guys. These guys are

290
00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,360
Speaker 1: bringing the supplies and bringing the mail. Didn't didn't I swear,

291
00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,280
Speaker 1: And this might be the more fanciful tellings, but I

292
00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,240
Speaker 1: swore that there was time. There was something in it

293
00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,960
Speaker 1: about how they had to grow some of their own food. Yeah,

294
00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,720
Speaker 1: on the you know, they their own garden basically, Yeah,

295
00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,760
Speaker 1: they they had to have aless supposed that. I've heard

296
00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,400
Speaker 1: accounts that say that they had to do that too.

297
00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,960
Speaker 1: They had to raise animals and yea, and everything they

298
00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,360
Speaker 1: cheap and whatnot. Yeah, So I have no idea if

299
00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,560
Speaker 1: that standard up rating procedure for these guys are not.

300
00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,640
Speaker 1: It seems like I'll just throw this out there on

301
00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,800
Speaker 1: a kind of small rock right essentially off Scotland where

302
00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,880
Speaker 1: the weather is often awful. You're not going to raise

303
00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,960
Speaker 1: animals because they're going to blow away, I mean, or

304
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,040
Speaker 1: otherwise there's a you know, I mean, that's the sort

305
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,640
Speaker 1: of thing you don't necessarily do, especially when the technology

306
00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,480
Speaker 1: exists for you know, salted and cured meat, which isn't

307
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,360
Speaker 1: as good. But you know, if the if the weather

308
00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,360
Speaker 1: is nice, you can do fishing if you need to.

309
00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,040
Speaker 1: But gardening, certainly, I think, except you're going to have

310
00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,840
Speaker 1: a really short growing season. Yeah, it's gonna stink, but

311
00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,080
Speaker 1: you can do it. But I remember seeing I mean

312
00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,480
Speaker 1: the name of this island. We was named after a

313
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,440
Speaker 1: saint who built a small church there in six d

314
00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,920
Speaker 1: That's who they named the island after. They named it

315
00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,760
Speaker 1: after they named the whole. There's a there's a chain

316
00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,840
Speaker 1: of out seven islands that are called a flanting island.

317
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:06,119
Speaker 1: That's the Flanty. Yeah, this was Ellian Moore is called

318
00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,840
Speaker 1: apparently it's Gaelic for the big island, you know, and

319
00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,520
Speaker 1: they it was guys. You see, you know, shepherds used

320
00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,520
Speaker 1: to take their sheep and this seems really dumb because

321
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,120
Speaker 1: I can imagine what a task it must have been.

322
00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,120
Speaker 1: But they would cart their sheep to these islands, kick

323
00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,040
Speaker 1: them out on the island to feed on the grass.

324
00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,520
Speaker 1: They wouldn't stay overnight because they were fearing the spirits

325
00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,840
Speaker 1: or little people that live there, so they'd leave and

326
00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,679
Speaker 1: then come back a couple of days they actually their sheep.

327
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,760
Speaker 1: They do that in Ireland still, but they did do that,

328
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,119
Speaker 1: and I leaned and the cause or the reason for

329
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,240
Speaker 1: that is because there are no predators on those islands. True,

330
00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,520
Speaker 1: but they don't seem to word much work cart I mean,

331
00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,800
Speaker 1: neither of you dealt with sheep. Yeah, they're stupid, right,

332
00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,199
Speaker 1: but so it's not like a daily thing, right you Like,

333
00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,800
Speaker 1: it's like for weeks or along. But but still it's

334
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,040
Speaker 1: a giant pane in the butt to get a sheep

335
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,960
Speaker 1: to go into a gated area, because they will, they'll

336
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,520
Speaker 1: run into the fence, they'll run the opposite direction. They'll

337
00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 1: go everywhere, but where the obvious hole is act that

338
00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,439
Speaker 1: I can only imagine trying to put them onto a boat,

339
00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,760
Speaker 1: which is you know, an archaic boat. Yeah, again, it's

340
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,880
Speaker 1: gonna suck, but it's probably over well less than you're

341
00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna lose two wolves. Salted mutton right there they put

342
00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,480
Speaker 1: right into the ocean. You got salted mutton, pre salted. Yeah,

343
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems to me like it

344
00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,320
Speaker 1: would be a hell of a lot of work because

345
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,080
Speaker 1: you'd have to haul and that's like the nearest other

346
00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,960
Speaker 1: islands at large Island that's to the east about fifty

347
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,280
Speaker 1: and twenty miles. That's a long way to sail and

348
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,640
Speaker 1: very rough sea. I guess you'd do it the summer.

349
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,000
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's only done in the summertime, but it

350
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 1: just probably it's a little it's a little weird to me,

351
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,199
Speaker 1: you know. Maybe they were just really hard up for

352
00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 1: good grass for their sheep to graze on. Okay, anyway,

353
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,480
Speaker 1: but enough of them sheep so that so the Asperus

354
00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,359
Speaker 1: shows up. Uh that the name of the relay, the

355
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 1: relationship to Hesperus. Yeah, it shows up, and they're a

356
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 1: little mistified. There's nobody there to meet them with the

357
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 1: landing and no signs of life at all. And they

358
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 1: shot off a rocket, an alert rocket, or basically basically,

359
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 1: they blasted the horns several times. They got no response,

360
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 1: and then shot off a flare and and got no response,

361
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: and then they lowered a boat and sent a boat

362
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 1: into the landing. And by the way, side note there

363
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,679
Speaker 1: are two landings for the for this thing. There's one

364
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,679
Speaker 1: in the east and one on the west side. So

365
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 1: and they were approaching on the east side landing, right, yeah, yeah,

366
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 1: they were, they were there. Actually they were actually sailing

367
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 1: from the east of the island, so that would be

368
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,920
Speaker 1: the closer one. And it all depends on weather conditions,

369
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, so the which way the wind is blowing.

370
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,680
Speaker 1: So if it's blown from the west, you see east

371
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,440
Speaker 1: one that's blown from the east east of the west

372
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,800
Speaker 1: one be on the least side. Yeah, so they hit

373
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 1: in that that that'll be somewhat more significant a little

374
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 1: bit later on. But so they so they lower a

375
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 1: boat and sent a few sailors ashore along with this

376
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: guy named Joseph Moore, and he was the relief guy.

377
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 1: He was the guy that was supposed to be taking

378
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: over so one of the other guys in the lighthouse

379
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: could go back to the shore for for a while. Yeah, exactly,

380
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: that's what he called the relief boat. So anyway he

381
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 1: goes ashore, and because there was nobody at the landing,

382
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 1: he had a little bit of trouble getting out of

383
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: the boat. I guess when you think about it would

384
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,880
Speaker 1: be a lot easier to land your boat if there's

385
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: somebody standing on the landing that you can toss your

386
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 1: rope to tie off. Yeah, so it's a little bit,

387
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 1: a little bit tricky, but he got on shore and

388
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 1: climbed up all them steps to the lighthouse. And when

389
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: he gets there, well, so there's a gate around the lighthouse,

390
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: and it was shut. The gate was shut, which at

391
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 1: least that's to another mystery, which is why you need

392
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 1: a fence on a deserted island. Stock right there? Maybe

393
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 1: in reason, Maybe maybe that was to keep the livestock

394
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: out of their garden. So maybe they did have livestock

395
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: and a garden. I don't know. I figured it's kind

396
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: of irrelevant. I mean I heard that story too, but

397
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 1: I just figured it was kind of irrelevant to the

398
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: overall mystery. Sheep beat everything I could. It could have

399
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: been Killer Sheep. I like the sheep version of Night

400
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 1: of the Lepez. Yeah, have you ever seen that that

401
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 1: movie Black Sheep? I believe it's called black Sheep. Where

402
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: it is killer where Sheep? Literally they're where sheep. It's

403
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 1: a terrible bee movie, but it's funny to watch again,

404
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: I assert sheep version Night of the left Sorry, back

405
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: back to the story. Sorry, really good. They called sheep too.

406
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip sheep sheep too, and then and then

407
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: it's got to skip to sheep five. As long as

408
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 1: there's a weird makeout scene with popcorn. I think we're good.

409
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okayed here anyway, So, so, as I said, so,

410
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: he finds the gates to the fence shut and latched. Uh.

411
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: And then he goes from there to the outside door

412
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: to the keeper's quarters and that door is shutting matched Okay,

413
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: I was always as could be expected. And he goes

414
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: inside and everything was all neat and tidy. Everything was

415
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: in order, nothing out of the ordinary. There was a

416
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: half eating meal of salted button and potatoes in the

417
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: kitchen too, salted button. Yeah, alright, can can I can

418
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: I call you out right now? The whole food thing. Yeah,

419
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: that's that's just like the Mary celesteciful. Oh yeah, that's

420
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: why if you look at if you look at that,

421
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: that's fanciful additions to the story. I don't want people

422
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: to to think that that's really the trou version. Actually,

423
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: if you look at my ride up, if I bolted,

424
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: I bowled all the BS stuff that was like, oh,

425
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: I thought that was the stuff that I was supposed

426
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: to be paying attention to. Yeah, yeah, that's the reason

427
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: I bolted it, all right. Yeah. And there was also

428
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: an herb returned chair on the floor indicating that somebody

429
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: had left in a big hurry. The fire was out,

430
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: and apparently about for days the clocks were stopped, indicating

431
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: that nobody been around to wind them. So more, Mr

432
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: Moore search a resident. There were numerous rooms like bedrooms

433
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: for the guys to sleep in and stuff, and I

434
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: found no one there. And I just want to make

435
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: a quick note that we'll be we'll be talking a

436
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: little bit about because because he submitted a written version,

437
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: written testability about what happened on that day, and uh,

438
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: the half eaten meal in the kitchen and the overturned

439
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: chair that was not in his his accounting of that,

440
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: so that was definitely tacked on. I was going to say,

441
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: the problem with salted mutton and potatoes is that it's

442
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: a cold meal already, so you can't say, oh, and

443
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: it was cold or it was still steaming maybe before

444
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: the alien subducted and they made him lay some of

445
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. Spoiler spoilers. Oh sorry, sorry, I forget you

446
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: heard that. You never heard that. You never heard that,

447
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: you never heard that? Okay, I beck the story. Uh,

448
00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: and you're awake. So so anyways, Mr Morges back to

449
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: the Hesperus and reported what he's seen to the captain.

450
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: The captain told him to get his get his butt

451
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: back there, and sent three volunteers to go back with

452
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: him because obviously, I mean, it was a big mystery,

453
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: and they were all a little scared about the whole thing.

454
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: But at the same time, they needed to get the

455
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: lighthouse working, so and Mr Moore had to, like, he

456
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: took a few assistance with him, because obviously I can't

457
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: believe in there by himself, because it'd be all creeped out.

458
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how creep it would be to be

459
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: all by yourself in that lighthouse when three people have

460
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: just disappeared totally, But yeah, send some people along with him.

461
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: But but from a logistical standpoint, I mean, it's something

462
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: we should probably explain, is that it took three people

463
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: to run the lighthouse because at night you've got to

464
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: make sure that it's still burning and maintain that flame.

465
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: And one person cannot stay up all night long, and

466
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: so it was in shifts. You know, I'm sorry, was

467
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: this before the invention of coffee? Yeh, does not keep

468
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: you up all night, as I learned in college. Yeah,

469
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: the it's you know, it's a shift from let's say,

470
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: eight o'clock to midnight, and then the next guy is

471
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: midnight to four, and then the next guy is four

472
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: o'clock to dawn. So it's this it's this weird rotation,

473
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 1: and they all rotated through so one guy would eventually

474
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: at least one night get almost a full night's sleep,

475
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: but it takes multiple people to run this. Yeah, So anyway,

476
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: so you kind of back with this with the other guys,

477
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: and they look around a little bit and they noticed

478
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: that two of the oil skins and boots were missing.

479
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: So actually there were three sets of oilskins there, one

480
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: for each guy. Like rain jackets that was back in

481
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: the day before they invented gortex. So I think they

482
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: call them oilskins because where they what skin. It's like

483
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: cloth that was like leather. Typically jackets literally oiled up

484
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: and seal oil or whale oil it, you know, so

485
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: it repels the water. It is the old school equivalent

486
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: of a plastic rain jack Okay, I just wasn't sure

487
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: oilskins or whatever they call you put water in. It's

488
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, we we have not gortex, but

489
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: you have waterproof jacketson once a year, you got to

490
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: spray the waterproof. No, it's the same thing. It's just

491
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: that you would literally rub this oil all over it. Sure,

492
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: I was just I couldn't remember if oil skins were

493
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: jackets or if they were like the things you put

494
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: water in. No, no, not a The only thing you

495
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: think skin maybe a wine skin. Sorry everyone, and that

496
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: a whole lot of wine skins on the islands from

497
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: the Middle Ages. Anyways, apologies, Okay, way back to our mystery.

498
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: So besides the oil skins and boots that were missing, uh,

499
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: and and all three guys were gone, which one of

500
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: those guys left without his was that his oil skin on?

501
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: Which is weird because, by the way, December December, yeahzing

502
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: cold outside, it's gonna be cold, rainy, nasty. Yeah, I know.

503
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: So that's a mystery. That's an honest to got a mystery.

504
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: Some telling say that a toolbox was also missing, but

505
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: there's there's no obviously obviously not. Yeah. So anyway, they

506
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: they came back and they kept the light going for

507
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: that night, which was December twenty six. They I mentioned

508
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: that they got out there in the six Yeah, I

509
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: think you've covered it. Yeah, I covered it. So that

510
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: night they kept the light going and then then the

511
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: next day they spent the day scouring the island for

512
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: any sign of the missing man. Found nothing. And they

513
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: had already obviously seen the eastern landing, so they went

514
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: down and checked out the western landing and they found

515
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: some anomalous things there. It was glowing green as if

516
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: the UFO. I mean, okay, soil and green. Yeah, Now

517
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: apparently it's the stains and damage. There was a rock

518
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: that had been dislodge from the cliff above and it

519
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: come down in bast and it was a huge rock, yeah,

520
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: bashed up, you know, tont least. Yeah, and if it

521
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: fell down on the platform where the crane was bent

522
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: up all these cast iron rails and and there, and

523
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: that's something to point out. There was a crane on

524
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: that side, so you I know, the other side you

525
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: said there was the rail line, So it was there

526
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: only a rail line on one side and it was

527
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: just a physical crane on the other or there was

528
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: the rail The rail line split off and went to

529
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: both landings, and there was a crane at each landing

530
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: and the crane was to basically hoist supplies out of

531
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: the supply boat, so the supply boat could come and

532
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: get underneath where the crane was, and then they could

533
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: just lift supplies directly off instead of going through the

534
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: whole arduous process of trying to lift them out of

535
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: a boat alongside the dock and heaving North Atlantic seas.

536
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: Instead they could just like grab them straight off the

537
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: boat and lift them straight up. And a lot for

538
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: bigger shipments too. Yeah. Yeah, so so they had so anyway,

539
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: the rail line want to sell that they had quite

540
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: the infrastructure in this little island and the two rail lines,

541
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: so basically two rail lines, two cranes. As you wouldn't

542
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: I think, as you would hope, Yeah, what's the word?

543
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: I want to say, a you know what? But I'd

544
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: say it would be an arduous process. Let say that. Yeah, okay.

545
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: So in addition to that, the other thing that was

546
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: that was wrong was that that they had kept a

547
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: large wooden box that was full of ropes and stuff

548
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: like that lodged in the rocks about forty ft above

549
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: the crane, which would put it about seventy or about

550
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 1: a hundred ten ft above sea level, and that had

551
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: been knocked out of his place, and the ropes were

552
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: strewn around the crane, in the rocks around the cran

553
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: wasn't there a buoy that had also been Yeah, there

554
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: was a life buoy, And I'm not sure what they

555
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: mean if actually if that's like one of those rings

556
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: you know you see on ships. No, I think booy

557
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: usually refers to either of the like thing that floats

558
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: in the water right that are like pretty heavy, or

559
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: I guess I've every once in a while I've heard

560
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: like a life boat referred to as a buoy, but

561
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: I think probably they mean like the big heavy thing

562
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: that floats in the water right offshore. I'm not sure

563
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: that they only referred to it was a life buoy,

564
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: and I had always just assumed it was some sort

565
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: of a throwing ring that you could, like that was

566
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: attached to a rope that usually call in life preservers. Yeah, yeah,

567
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: exactly one. But good maybe. I mean this is Scotland.

568
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean they're all messed up. They have a different

569
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: word for everything, okay, Yeah, I mean the trunk is boot, yeah,

570
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: and chips are fries and Frieser chips and they're just

571
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: all screwed up over there, man. Yeah, wa to ostracize

572
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: our friends on the other side. I'm sorry, everybody on

573
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: the other side of the pond. Actually, I love you guys.

574
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Your blood pudding is my favorite thing in this entire world. Okay,

575
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: So next up in their investigation they look at the

576
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: log book. I did keep a log. I'm sorry, Yeah,

577
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: I just think that would be the first thing I

578
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: would do. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be like, oh, weird

579
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: this this island is kind of torn apart or whatever.

580
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: I would just be like, oh, I wonder what they

581
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: had to say. No, actually, when the last time they

582
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: wrote in this thing? Yeah, I guess what I'm saying

583
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: is next up in my little speech. They probably I

584
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: probably read the log earlier. Okay, all right, Yeah. The

585
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: log mainly had stuff like just anything that happened that

586
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: was worth worthy of note, and things like stuff about

587
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: the weather, the wind, barometer readings, temperature reading, stuff like that.

588
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: The final entries and the log were a little mysterious.

589
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: So December twelve, here's a quote. Gale north by northwest

590
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: sea lashed fury. Never seen such a storm, waves very high,

591
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: tearing at lighthouse, everything ship shape. James Ducott irritable. Later

592
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: storms still raging, winds steady, storm bound, cannot go out,

593
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: ship passing sounding foghorn could see lights of cabin. Ducott quiet,

594
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: MacArthur crying, Sissy. I know, think about you know, I

595
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: think about it is. I'm not I'm not sure what

596
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of a storm this was. But I mean these

597
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: guys were seasoned veterans, like yeah, I think that's a

598
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: good point to bring up. None of them were fresh

599
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: on this kind of work. Who was Who was the

600
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: one that was in charge? It's Ducott, he was He'd

601
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: been doing this work kind of work. He's obviously got

602
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: a really good idea. So I can see quiet. Okay,

603
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: well that makes me he's like another storm. Okay, whatever,

604
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: James Ducott irritable before that, right. Marshall is the one

605
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: keeping these He's the lowest. Yeah, he's the middle guy.

606
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Marshall is the middle guy. And Marshall is the one

607
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: who's writing in the log. The he's writing this in

608
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: the log? What's this a little strange and in in itself

609
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, the log is something that any of

610
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: these guys could read. And that's that's my problem, is

611
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: that the log is for official recording, not my personal diary.

612
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: And this seems like something you know, the eighteen hundreds, Lady,

613
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. I'm going to take my observations and I'm

614
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: going to write them down, Like that's what this sort

615
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: of seems like. If you would expect a young man,

616
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: let's say, an eighteen year old man of the times,

617
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: he would make these kind of observations in his writing.

618
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: Is for well, you're you're kind of like spoiling my

619
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: whole thing. That doesn't really matter. I was gonna I

620
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: was going to read all these and them portant point

621
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: out that they're all fake. No, no, I'm not saying fake.

622
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a fake. And then we'll talk

623
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: about talk about whether December thirteen, storm continued tonight when

624
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: shifted west by North, Ducott quiet, MacArthur Prague, later noon

625
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: great daylight me Ducott and MacArthur prayed, and so no

626
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: entry on December fourteen. December fifteenth, there was a single

627
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: last line storm ended seacom God is overall who things

628
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: should have been bold. But so anyway, according to a

629
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: guy whose name I can't recall right now, this was

630
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: actually inserted into the story by a pulp fiction magazine

631
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: somewhat later after the facts. So this is all made up.

632
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: And if you look at if you look at the testimony,

633
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: of Joseph Moore. He says nothing whatsoever about any log,

634
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: any mysterious log entries. There's also a report submitted by

635
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: Robert Muirhead, who was a superintendent and the boss of

636
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: all three of those guys he investigated. He went out

637
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: to the island and looked around and and and saw

638
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: firsthand everything there that everybody else saw. He makes no

639
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: mention whatsoever of any mysterious log entries. Yeah, it says

640
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: here last written entries in the log were for December,

641
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: but particulars for fourteen December and of the time of

642
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: extinguishing the light on fifteen December, along with barometer and

643
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: thermometer readings and state of wind taken at nine am

644
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: on fifteen December were noted on the slate for transference

645
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: later to the log. Exactly they had they had it

646
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: so they had a slate board like a blackboard, and

647
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: they would make notes on that and then eventually you

648
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: know that somebody would put it into the log. Okay,

649
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: So the last the last actual entry was on nothing.

650
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: And he says there was nothing unusual. I mean, while

651
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't explicitly say that, but clearly if

652
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: there was something unusual he would have written it in

653
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: at And I got to admit that's why every time

654
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: that I was doing the reading on this and I

655
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: would see the log entry section, I ignored it because

656
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: I knew that that kind of writing just didn't make

657
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: sense to be in the long So I'm glad you

658
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: tracked this down, Joe, because that that clears up a

659
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: lot of garbally going oh yeah, that's just yeah. And

660
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: it's a feel like it's like you say, it's not

661
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: credible because again, it's like you're writing stuff in about

662
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: your co workers. Some of them might find offensive. MacArthur,

663
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: I understand, was like a tough guy, you know, like

664
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: a seasoned Mariners have a big tough brother. Yea guy

665
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: and if he if he reads that in the log,

666
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: he might be a little angry with you. Well yeah,

667
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean that would be the equivalent. Maybe that's what happened.

668
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he saw that and he murdered murdered Marshall. I

669
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, that's the equivalent of today writing

670
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: an email to your boss and copying the person that

671
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: your bad mouth. Joe is such a journy. He just

672
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: makes stuff up and talk smack about everybody in the breakroom,

673
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: and you know Joe's carbon copied on it. That would

674
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: be the equivalent. I was going to say, it's the

675
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: reply all right, it's the accidental of reply all of like,

676
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: oh this is bunk. Why did this idiot write this stuff?

677
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: We know this is right. He didn't do his job.

678
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: He was taking a bunch of smoke breaks and you

679
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: didn't have time to write the report. Speaking of a

680
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: smoke breaks, we gotta hurry up and finish the so

681
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: I can have a cigarette. Yeah, anyway, where we at

682
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: where we at here? So when they when they when

683
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: they arrived there, they have and like I said, they

684
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: had to look around and they noted that the morning

685
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: routine have been finished. Whenever you finished up to night,

686
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: you have to do stuff like you've got to refill

687
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: the fuels, the fueling, you know, extinguish the light, refuel it.

688
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: You've got to clean the glass and all that because

689
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: this is a settling light, it's gonna be a little

690
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: bit smoky, so you've got to clean stuff up. So

691
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: all that stuff have been done, have been taken care of.

692
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: The kitchen had been cleaned, so obviously they cleaned up

693
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: after themselves for for breakfast or whatever. And the days

694
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: of course they were very short, so they must have

695
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: left somewhere between maybe around new time, late morning and sunset,

696
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: basically days of eleven days and right y, yeah, that

697
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: didn't happen. Yeah, yeah, so and and when the light

698
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: was out in the fifteen so they must have they

699
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: must have disappeared on the fifteen. Well, that makes it.

700
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the clues point directly to that

701
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: time frame, so that makes a lot of sense. Yeah,

702
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: indications are that they might have left in a hurry.

703
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely if if if MacArthur left his behind,

704
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: left his oil skin behind, that would indicate that he

705
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: left in a hurry. But at the same time, he

706
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: carefully closed the door to the residents and also closed

707
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: the gate outside, which if you left in a hurry,

708
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a lot of sense. Actually, can I

709
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: can I answer that because I read that and it

710
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: seems like a very odd beus answer to me. There

711
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: was some high winds at the time, And have you

712
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: ever been in a structure or around a fence where

713
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: the gate or the door is unlatched and the wind

714
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: is slamming it back and forth and eventually it will

715
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: slam it shut. And if it's got some kind of

716
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: simple latch on it, it'll latch itself. Yeah. I guess

717
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: that's the only thing, right, is that it depends on

718
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: what kind of latch it is. And that's that's that's

719
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: why I'm saying, if it's if it's a simple latch,

720
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's a a lever latch that's got some

721
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: kind of camphor on the back side, so it rides

722
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: up and falls into its groove. It's gonna pop up

723
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: and fall in and suddenly the wind has just shut

724
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: the door for you. I mean, this is this is

725
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: things that you you see in in the tornado stories

726
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: from the middle of this country back in the thirties.

727
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: As they talk about the barn doors were ailing back

728
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: and forth and all of a sudden they just slammed shut.

729
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: And it was so strange. It wasn't that strange. It

730
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: was just happened to be that the wind blew in

731
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: a bloom apart and then pull them back together just

732
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: the right time, and everything mats up. I guess my

733
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: counter to that would would would be that these guys

734
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: were seasoned. I mean, you know, I I know we're

735
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: about to get into theories here, but that these guys

736
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: were seasoned lighthouse manners. That's the best way I can

737
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: pays technicians, if you will. Yeah, you know, in a

738
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: storm like whatever ostensibly may have happened or may not

739
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: have happened, you wouldn't like there would be no reason

740
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: to go out into that, particularly past whatever kind of

741
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: fences onto a docking area. So sure, maybe the fence

742
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: closed itself behind them, But like, the bigger mystery here

743
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: is what the heck could have made them leave their

744
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: totally structurally sound stone lighthouse as like frail human beings

745
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: and these gale wind forces and go out to the

746
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: most dangerous place on the island. Yeah, it's well, it's

747
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: not it's not clear that they actually left and went

748
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: out and went out to the landing, because it does

749
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 1: appear that they may have gone to the landing right,

750
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: and but it's not I'm not so sure that they

751
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: left in the middle of the storm conditions. I think

752
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: they left under calum conditions because obviously nobody in his

753
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: right mind would try to go down those steep stairs.

754
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: I guess that's fair that they could have left before

755
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: and then the gale would have closed it after. Yeah,

756
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: that's exactly what That's what I was saying, is that

757
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: yes they Okay, we have eleven days between when they

758
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: seem to have disappeared and somebody else showed up. Actually,

759
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: and and let's point out eleven days that we're bad

760
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: enough that the relief could not go in those eleven days.

761
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: Well no, no, not necessarily. Okay, let's let's let's go

762
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: back to that, because there are multi doable versions of

763
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: the story that say, and you alluded to this a

764
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: little bit, is that they knew something was wrong, but

765
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: they couldn't go out because the sea was so bad.

766
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: But regardless, there were bad seas between thee and when

767
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: they it wasn't all sunny sunny night. Yes, there were storms.

768
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: So we're gonna ignore the whole hyper bowl of they

769
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: couldn't get out there and knew something was wrong. Fun,

770
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: We're just going to hone in on the fact that

771
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: there was bad weather. So if somebody did leave in

772
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: a hurry, that would explain why the gate and the

773
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: door were closed, all right, willing to go there. Yeah,

774
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: So anyway, and as most tellings of this big Mystery conclude,

775
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: why would they what caused them so much terror that

776
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: they fled and you know, one of them missing, you know,

777
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: not taking as oil skin in the YadA, YadA, YadA.

778
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: So there the mystery leaves off. Well, you know, we

779
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's time to work. Got ourselves into

780
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: the theories. Sweet, Okay, it's the number one. How did

781
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: this go so long? Yeah? Ide the number one actually

782
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: because the rest of our shows aren't long. Yeah. I

783
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: think most of the major sides for you guys. Okay,

784
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: some of the theories that are out there, I like

785
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: to have some of the really silly theories, like giant

786
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: gigantic birds snatching them off the off the rocks giants,

787
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: Well that's from Yeah, calm down, don't look at me

788
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: like that. Want have the giant gray Beard? Is that?

789
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: How how you're getting the Gandalf reference? Reference? Reference? I

790
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: like reference Joe, Yeah, please continue? Because about this UFO abduction.

791
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: So you're laughing, but I kind of like it. Yeah,

792
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: you always like the UFO no matter what the instances.

793
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: It's because I'm fall yeah, apologist. But yeah, somebody says

794
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: on Facebook that that's a real word, and now you're

795
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: throwing it at me constantly, just constantly, constantly. All of

796
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: our everything correspond everything. Yeah, every email I get from

797
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: devon ufologist from the from the desk of the ufologist.

798
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't you've changed that to the tag on your emails.

799
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: You gotta put that in mine. It's gonna be like,

800
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, ufologist, future ologist, something like that, entomologists, zoologists,

801
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: crypto zoologists. Yeah, sorry, the UFO dust and I would buy.

802
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: But there's like no little scorch marks from there from

803
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: their rocket exhaust. How do you know the rain washed

804
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: it away? Well, I was going to actually kill the plants.

805
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: They wouldn't know. They want to know there's something when

806
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: they cerci there's no crop rings. Yeah, no crop rings? Yeah,

807
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: of no crops. So can we move on? Yeah? Okay.

808
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: Another theory one of the men maybe went a little crazy,

809
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: which is actually possible. And the circumstances like that, when

810
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: you're cooped up for a month or two with a

811
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: couple of other guys. They hadn't been there that long. Yeah,

812
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: they've only been there like a month. And how long

813
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: had they been that How long had they worked together?

814
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if these guys had spent a lot

815
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: of time together or not. I don't really know how

816
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: they cycled and rotated people spent time together. But they

817
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: had all done this kind of work exactly. It wasn't

818
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: none of them were green hordes, yeah exactly. And they

819
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: knew how to deal with it, and they knew how

820
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: to not take stuff personally and not go you know,

821
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: and how to be cooped up for weeks on and

822
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: with a couple of other guys crying in the corner. Yeah,

823
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, so many. But that is it's there that

824
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: perhaps one of them went crazy and killed the others

825
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: and then threw himself off the cliff into the sea.

826
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: And you gotta amit. I mean, that's possible. It's not why,

827
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: that's a real stretch. Yeah, another possibility. And this this

828
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: relates to the Mary Soul last also and also the

829
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: Dancing plague, Yeah exactly. And that is that ride that

830
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: ryol that which I forgot the name of. It was

831
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: too lazy there actually go out and look up, but

832
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: that ryl. They have got to hallucinations and all kinds

833
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: of weird stuff, so would explain a lot. Actually, it's

834
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: possible that they ate something that drove them drove down

835
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: a little little nuts to the point where they were like,

836
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, just off having a little fun dancing on

837
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff and then whoops, uh yeah,

838
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: dance party in an end. Yeah. Actually, and you know, actually,

839
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: another theory that I thought but I forgot to write down,

840
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: was well, let's again, let's get back to that picture

841
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: of those steep stairs with no handrail or anything like that,

842
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: and they're all just sort of heading down of the

843
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: land and do some maintenance or do something, maybe fishing

844
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: or whatever. And suddenly the guy in the back of

845
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: the line just trips over his shoe lags you know

846
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: that there's a head or it takes the other two

847
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: with them and they go off the cliff. Actually, and

848
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: I there's two things that I'm gonna say here. One

849
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: I could see in a situation like that at that

850
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: time where for safety you would tie each other together.

851
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: So I tie myself to Joe and Oh ties himself

852
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: to Devon, so that if one of us slips, the

853
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: other can anchor. So I could see the first guy slipping,

854
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: dragging the next guy over, who drags the third guy over,

855
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: except I and correct me if this is not right, Joe.

856
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: Everything that I saw was saying that the standard protocol

857
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: was one man was always in the lighthouse. And the

858
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: other two could go where they wanted. Is that correct

859
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: as as far as you could find and you're from

860
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: the board that you were looking at. Yeah, Yeah, my

861
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: understanding is yeah, that was standard operating procedure. But I'm

862
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: not I never got total clarity on whether that was

863
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: seven or if that was only during White House operation hours. Ah,

864
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: that's a good point to make, I have to that.

865
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: One is that only two of the oil skins were missing,

866
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: So two guys could have been down there, right, something

867
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: could have gone wrong and the other dude like ran

868
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: out to try and help them and unsuccessful. Right. The

869
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: other point that I would make is that I feel

870
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: that it would be counterintuitive on steps like that to

871
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: anchor each like each other, right that Like, actually the

872
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: right way to do that would be one person goes

873
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: all the way down and once they're off the stairs completely,

874
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: the next person comes down. To see that with ladders

875
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: in like in theater tech stuff for instance, you don't

876
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, if there's a fall hazard, you don't rope

877
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: yourself together, you do it completely separately. Yeah, I would

878
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: take that to make a lot more sense. Yeah, I

879
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: mean definitely, if I was walking down that stairway, the

880
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: something got right behind me. I'd be dude, back off, lea,

881
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: this is this is the wrong time to pull the

882
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: and startle somebody. Maybe that's what happened. I got you,

883
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: joke gone wrong splash. Yeah so okay. And also it

884
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: could have been a banana appeal on the stairs. Yeah okay.

885
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: So next Therey ghosts, and apparently there were there were.

886
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, this is nineteen Hunters, so there's still people

887
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: who are believed in ghosts. In factly there's still people

888
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: to believe in that stuff these days. Please explain this

889
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: to me, Arthur Conan Doyle. Yeah, yeah, there were, but

890
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: some people have Some people apparently believed that the islands

891
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: were haunted, and you were called you you said that

892
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: I told that story about the shoppers bringing their sheep over,

893
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: but they wouldn't spend the night, So there was there

894
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: was there was something some who said that the quote

895
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: phantoms of the Seven Hunters and that and the phantoms

896
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: of the Seven Hunters. The Seven Hunters were the other

897
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: name for those seven islands once they were called the

898
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: Seven Hunters. I personally believe that people didn't stay there

899
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: overnight because it sucked. Yeah, probably that too, And there

900
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: was no rest, worst vacation ever in the rain. But yes,

901
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: but there were something that claimed that the phantoms of

902
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: the Seven Hunters somehow lured or frightened the men into

903
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: going over the cliffs. Another one was that they rode away,

904
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: and why they would do that, I don't know. It

905
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: seems kind of insane to me. But supposedly, and again

906
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm about a d percent sure that this isn't more

907
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: made up stuff. Shipping in the fair wind was passing

908
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: the area the night of the fifteen, and the crew

909
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: of the fairwe claimed was seen a quote ghostly longboat unquote. Yeah,

910
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: I know, bunk. There were three men rowing the boat

911
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: who were dressed in heavy rain gear and who reportedly

912
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: had faces with quote the color of bone unquote. So

913
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: the crew of the fairwold called out to the men

914
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: in the boat and blasted the horn, but the men

915
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: of the longboat ignored. Obviously, we can disprove this immediately

916
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: because only two of them had their heavy grain gear exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

917
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: well that could have been It could have been some

918
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: other lighthouse keepers from the next island down, I guess,

919
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, because there are so many lighthouses on those islands. Yeah, Okay,

920
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: so we're not gonna necessary We're not We're gonna kind

921
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: of discount that. In fact, I'm almost not to present

922
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 1: certain that either some news some enterprising newsman made this up,

923
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: or novelists made this up, or the crew of the

924
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: fair One made it up. I really wish that newsmen

925
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: in the nineteen hundreds could realize how their sensational headlines

926
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: would just screw everything up for everybody later on to

927
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: trying to find out the real story. No, because we

928
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a show much easier, and you have to

929
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: wait through so much garbage news been a news century

930
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: or pretty much doing the same thing crap. Yeah, so

931
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: people people in the twenty century, you're gonna be saying

932
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: the same thing. They're gonna be having that little podcast.

933
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: I said, God knows what it will be called. It'll

934
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: be called it'll be something from in the New Order world,

935
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: the New World Orders language. Yeah. Yeah, hello, let's just

936
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: thinking sideways. You're a government sponsored podcast that the goal

937
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: is Yeah, pretty much alright, Next sory reef madness. I

938
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: thought that was the bread bold different Yeah, mans so

939
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: discovered him on the men's effect were No, I'm putting

940
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: that Joe you're totally making this up as I'm actually

941
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: reading your text. This is so you should be approving

942
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: the shows. We would red light a lot of this text. Okay, Okay,

943
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: you guys saying you think we can rule out re FORMID. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

944
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: what's your last one? Here? Last one is that they

945
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: went down to one of the landings for one reason

946
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: or another um and a big rogue sneaker wave came

947
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: in and nabbed him all and drug wants to see you.

948
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: That's crazy talk, Yeah, that's crazy talk. I have a theory. Yeah,

949
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: it was the doctor. Could have been. I think there

950
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: was a colonel. It was a colonel on the study

951
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: with the candlestick. Now, obviously the doctor came with the

952
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: tartist that doctor, Okay, obviously, I mean they disappeared without

953
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: a trade. He would have come to save them. He

954
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: destroyed the cybermen that were on the island underneath. They

955
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: knew a bet it was be Cyberman because the Dark

956
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: List You're just too easy, So it's got to be

957
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,479
Speaker 1: Cyberman this time. Maybe it was the lizard people again,

958
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: lizard people freaking hate the lizard people. Always the lizard people. Okay,

959
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: so what what do you you you're you're furiously going

960
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: through notes. I'm looking at well, I'm looking through to

961
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: Mr Muir has report here, and obviously metal men were

962
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: not on it. Yeah, no, no, because the doctor took

963
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: care of it. Well, he did say, he did say

964
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: in his report that Joseph Moore told him that the

965
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: only time he was familiar with these guys, and the

966
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: only time they put on their oil skins, was when

967
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: they went down to one of the landings, which would

968
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: indicate to me that a couple of them went down

969
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 1: to one of the landings, most likely the Western Landing,

970
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: which is apparently a lot of brew ha ha happened. Yeah,

971
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: and um, so that would tend to support the whole

972
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: idea that they went down there to do a little

973
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: maintenance or inspect the damage that had occurred. Although you know,

974
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: again there's no mention of any entry in the log

975
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: about the damage that occurred, so maybe it occurred even afterwards,

976
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: who knows, Maybe they were down there for some other reason,

977
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: But that would lend me to believe that a couple

978
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: of them went down there to the landing to do

979
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: something and then the other guy left for some reason

980
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: of chas him down there, leaving his oilskins behind, And

981
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: it might have been it might have been that the

982
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: weather was actually halfway decent on that day. It didn't

983
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: feel a need for it. He just left without oil skins.

984
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: Who knows. But then Mr big sneaker wave comes in,

985
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, and they're on the front of that wave.

986
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: Is I gett you on a surfboard? So I think

987
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: that's the only h The other thing that was that

988
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: I thought was a possibility is that perhaps there was

989
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: an earthquake, because remember there was a big one ton

990
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: of stone that was dis large. Imagine if imagine if

991
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: you're down there on this landing and a big earthquake

992
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: happens along, or maybe you're actually walking down to steep

993
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: precarious stairs down there, the earthquake comes along, boom boom, boom,

994
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, getting knocked off into the sea. So I

995
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: was thinking that it's possible they had an earthquake. I

996
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: guess I suspect that, um, you know, twenty miles is

997
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: a long way for light to travel in those days,

998
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: not so far away for an earthquake. Yeah, so that

999
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, people who are keeping more meticulous logs would

1000
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: have said, oh, there was an earthquake, particularly if they

1001
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: were a coastal town or shipping docks because the because

1002
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: of tsunami problems, and they knew about tsunami's back then,

1003
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: so it wasn't you know, they would that would have

1004
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: been something that they would have said. Oh and also

1005
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: there was this weird earthquake that happened. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,

1006
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: I know that's that's that kind of like makes that

1007
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: theory a little tender. But yeah, so, but I guess

1008
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: that's totally It's possible that that rock just gave way.

1009
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean happens sometimes. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean

1010
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: it could have been I mean wave action. I mean

1011
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: it does appear. I mean, for example, that box which

1012
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: was stored sea level was washed out by a wave.

1013
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: So it sounds like occasionally waves came in, came in

1014
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: in some waves, some big sneaker anomalous wave came in

1015
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: and and nabbed that box and knocked it out. And

1016
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: even if it didn't necessarily get the guy that that's happening, occasionally,

1017
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: that rock is going to be getting pounded on. It's

1018
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: gonna get loosen up sooner or later. Over time, it's

1019
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: just gonna just go. And if they had the bad

1020
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: luck to be down there underneath it on the landing

1021
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: or by the crane or whatever. Then you know they

1022
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: could have been knocked off by it. They could have

1023
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: been killed by it and knocked off. So and of

1024
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: course days went by, it rained a lot in the meantime,

1025
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: so all the blood got all the blood and everything

1026
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: got washed off. Okay, so do you guys want to

1027
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: expound in that last series anymore? Well? YouTube is that

1028
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of where you two are? I'm sticking with reefer madness,

1029
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: and I'm okay. I actually have got to say that

1030
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: when I was doing the reading, I think that, as

1031
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: Joe put it, the sneaker wave is the most likely theory,

1032
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: and and I have I have some pretty good reasoning

1033
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: behind it, because I was reading accounts of people who

1034
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: had gone to that island, and anybody who hasn't yet

1035
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: take the time look at the pictures. As Joe said,

1036
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: it's an itsy bitsy landing with a sharp staircase, and

1037
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: there were people who were visiting that and it's calm seas,

1038
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they look out and they

1039
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: see a big wave rolling in and crashing against the

1040
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: side of the island for no reason. Just I don't

1041
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: know where giant wave. Let's fair for a reason, but

1042
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: not for I discernible from humans. Right, it's a it's

1043
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: a rogue wave, and it is a huge sixty foot

1044
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 1: crest that it causes. And this guy watched it and

1045
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: he said something to the person that was working. They're like, oh, yeah,

1046
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: that happens from time to time, and we've almost lost

1047
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: some guys. You just gotta be watched out for those

1048
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: and and hang on, which basically think if they don't

1049
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: know that's coming. And they're down on that landing where

1050
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: the crane is and they're getting ready for the relief ship,

1051
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: and then the last guy who's up top all of

1052
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: a sudden looks out and sees that wave and goes

1053
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: booking outside to say, hey, you guys, get out of there.

1054
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: Hang on this wave. These waves, the one that they

1055
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: talked about, it crashed at the sea level is just

1056
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: below the landing and they said that it when it

1057
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: hit the water was seventy feet above sea level. Okay,

1058
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: that's a huge amount of water to be coming across

1059
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: a ten foot landing. You can't hold onto anything, You're

1060
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: gonna get sucked out. And the poor soul who is

1061
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: who whichever one it is that's running to tell his friends,

1062
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: probably can't yell from the top. He's got a hoof

1063
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: down the stairs part way to yell at him, so

1064
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: now he's getting sucked up into. That's what makes me

1065
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: think that it's the road wave. It's just because there's

1066
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: reports of these crazy calm seas all of a sudden

1067
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: road wave out of nowhere, just you know, fifty forty

1068
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: thirty seventy feet high, just washes everything out. That's what

1069
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: That's what makes me inclined to believe it's that. Yeah,

1070
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: it probably is, although it's still a little bit of

1071
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: a head scratcher because these guys were very experienced and

1072
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: they knew that the sea could do stuff like this,

1073
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: but they're not used to that particular area to know

1074
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: what to look out for. The sea is different. They

1075
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: were new to that particular spot. Maybe they just weren't expecting, yeah,

1076
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean, or they weren't paying attention. Oh thank god,

1077
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: the release ship is going to be here. I can

1078
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: see my wife, I can get off this bloody island.

1079
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Yeah, you know, I mean, there's a

1080
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: whole host of reasons why they may not have seen

1081
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: it now, It's like it's it's not surprising at all.

1082
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: It's what is a little surprising. I said, all three

1083
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: of them were lost. It's not surprising that one of

1084
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: them got swept away, but all three at the same time.

1085
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, you know that is a little shocking.

1086
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: I maintain it was the doctor. Okay, the doctor. Fine,

1087
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: that is that is a very sound theory. That's why

1088
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: I said it. Okay, okay, So Devin selves a mystery,

1089
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: I told you, all right, So that concludes our mystery.

1090
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts on this you want to

1091
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 1: share with us, please send us an email at Thinking

1092
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. Find us on Facebook,

1093
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: Like us, like us a lot, like us all the time,

1094
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: and your friend us too. We need friends. Yeah. Yeah,

1095
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: you can find us on iTunes. If you do find

1096
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: us on iTunes, subscribe please and leave us leave us

1097
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: a rating and maybe a review, because we really like

1098
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: that stuff. Positive reviews are best, but we'll take any

1099
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: We'll take anything. Yeah. Uh, and let's see what else.

1100
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: If you don't have time for all that boring old

1101
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: iTunes stuff, then you can just stream us from Stitcher

1102
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: and let's see our website our website is thinking Sideways

1103
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: podcast dot com, so you can also get our episodes there.

1104
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: And last of all, I would like to thank our

1105
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: listener Jacob who suggested this particular little mystery. Uh, there's

1106
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: a lot of mysteries out there, and even listener suggested

1107
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: ones suggested ones I've usually heard of before, but this

1108
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: particularly one I had actually not heard of. Had you

1109
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: guys heard of the particular one. I think that I

1110
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: may have come across it once, but I just breathed

1111
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: by it because I I think when I came across

1112
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: was kind of a Merry Celest style version of it,

1113
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: and so I just never gave it any thoughts. So

1114
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm glad it was suggested because there was a lot

1115
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: more meat to this than I realized. Yeah, we're rocking

1116
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: the listeners suggestions these days, so we better we better

1117
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: like get some more suggestions from you guys so that

1118
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: we can rebuild our database of running out and we

1119
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: don't want have to go out and find our own mystery.

1120
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: We don't want to do that. I actually, you know,

1121
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: I go out and I just do goog stuff like

1122
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: lamest unsolved mystery. Steve is laughing, but I think this

1123
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: is actually what he dies. Yeah, really obviously really obvious

1124
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: unsolved mysteries stuff like that, solved unsolved mystery because I

1125
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: started dot com Yeah, originally was minding this little vein

1126
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: which we call on Google like unsolved mysteries, and well

1127
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: that leads you to that, that leads you to the

1128
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: same websites every single time. Yeah, it's kind of tough anyway.

1129
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, again, Jacob, thanks appreciate the suggestion and hope

1130
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: you liked our treatment of it. If we overlooked anything,

1131
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: then please contact us and let us know and maybe

1132
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: we'll have to do a redo. Well maybe I'll an

1133
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: update something like that. Anyway, So that is it until

1134
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: next week, by everybody. Do