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Speaker 1: Welcome in.

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Speaker 2: I'm Doug Gottlieb. Guess what it's Doug Gottlieb Show. I

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Speaker 2: think this is episode three. Yeah, it's episode three. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, do we count the pilot? It's

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Speaker 2: a lot like when you were a kid, and kids

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Speaker 2: these days don't remember. You'd ask me for directions and

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Speaker 2: they'd say, we go up six lights and you take

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Speaker 2: a left. Well, do I count the first light? No

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Speaker 2: one ever decided. We had no universal decision on that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to count the pilot. This is episode

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Speaker 2: three obviously. If you know me, I've been doing this

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Speaker 2: for over twenty years, and this is just a new

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Speaker 2: way to do it on a different on my time.

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Speaker 2: As I like to say, as I like to say,

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Speaker 2: there is a lot going on in the sports world,

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Speaker 2: right Mike McCarthy, former Packers and Cowboys head coach, hits

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Speaker 2: the triumvirint right, no matter how it happens or how

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Speaker 2: it works out in Pittsburgh. And I know he's from Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: but on your tombstone they say you coach the Packers,

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys and the Steelers pretty good. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: And he's won a Super Bowl and I know one

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Speaker 2: of the questions is does he want Aaron Rodgers back?

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Speaker 2: And the answer is yes, yes, and I am I'm

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Speaker 2: not blind to the flaws of a forty year old quarterback,

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Speaker 2: nor blind to the flaws of Aaron Rodgers whether he

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Speaker 2: was forty or whether he was twenty four. Right, Aaron

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Speaker 2: can be tricky or what was it that Mark Murphy said? Complicated?

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Speaker 2: Complicated is one of those words where it's really not

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Speaker 2: a negative, but anyone who hears it it deems it

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Speaker 2: to be negative. And by the way, it's true he's complicated.

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Speaker 2: Complicated and mediocre are in that same realm. Like ask

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Speaker 2: yourself right now, mediocre is it a positive or negative word?

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Speaker 2: That was? It's negative? No? Actually, mediocre is average? Is

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Speaker 2: right in the middle, right as the media, you know,

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Speaker 2: mediocre medium. But our assumption or the perception is that

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Speaker 2: being average, being in the middle mediocre is a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: You know. I take my team last year, we were

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Speaker 2: not mediocre, we were sub mediocre. Right, we would have

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Speaker 2: settled for mediocre would have been amazing. We want to

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Speaker 2: just be average. Now we want to be better than mediocre, right,

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Speaker 2: we want to be above average. But it really is

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Speaker 2: interesting that complicated is the exact same word. Complicated is

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Speaker 2: not a negative word. But when you say, like, what's

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Speaker 2: your relationship with your wife, like it's complicated, that's nobody

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Speaker 2: says that. When it's a it's a really, really good thing.

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Speaker 2: So do you want Aaron Rodgers back? The answer is yes. Why.

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Speaker 2: The easiest thing is they've worked together and won a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl together before. Did they have their differences, yes,

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Speaker 2: well they still have their differences. Yes, But when you're

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Speaker 2: coming in in your first year, if you bring coaches,

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Speaker 2: players with you, if you bring people you've worked with before,

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Speaker 2: they know how you work, and they also kind of

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Speaker 2: have your back in the locker room because they know

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Speaker 2: how it's supposed to go and they've had some success

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Speaker 2: with you. And for a quarterback, when you know all

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Speaker 2: the plays, we know all the formations, we knew all

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Speaker 2: the calls, you know all the verbiage, you can make,

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Speaker 2: all the checks to the line of scrimmage. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: is not going to play in a new system next year, no,

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Speaker 2: thank you. He is no desire. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they keep Aaron Rodgers. My guess is they do.

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Speaker 2: They try one and it allows him to be the

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Speaker 2: bridge quarterback to whatever they got to figure out what

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Speaker 2: the next guy is. But whether he wins or whether

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Speaker 2: he loses, I can't think of a better resume in

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Speaker 2: the history of sports in having coached. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: guess Phil Jackson coached the Bulls and the Lakers to

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Speaker 2: eleven titles. He did coach the Knicks as well. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so those are the three biggest markets. Obviously, it didn't

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Speaker 2: So that's that's the basketball analogy, is Phil Jackson. The

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Speaker 2: difference is Phil Jackson won eleven titles. Mike McCarthy's won one. Fair,

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Speaker 2: it's fair. And then we get to the most recent

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, like twenty twenty four, like but only worse.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I mean. Shador Standers was the third string

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Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. Now, look, the Pro Bowl is a

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Speaker 2: lot like you're in my house party where you just

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Speaker 2: a Pro bowler and Bill Belichick is not a Hall

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Speaker 2: me all you want about spy gley Gate into flake Gate,

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Speaker 2: or maybe he didn't treat you. Well, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: and I do think that how you treat people is

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Speaker 2: super important in the world and how people look at you.

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Speaker 2: But what I can tell you is that when you

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Speaker 2: go to ten Super Bols as a coach who wins

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Speaker 2: there's no world in which he's not a first ballot

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Speaker 2: argument of well, spygate is like steroids. But the problem

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Speaker 2: with spygate is after it was discovered, they went to

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Speaker 2: Here's how I know it was a joke. The NFL

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Speaker 2: they checked all the footballs, all the air pressure, everything

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Speaker 2: control group. Does anybody know what happened to that study?

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Speaker 2: The answer is no, you know why because it probably

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Speaker 2: disproved any theories otherwise other than yeah, the balls can

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Speaker 2: their findings. It wasn't. Spygate was really really simple. For years,

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Speaker 2: You've been able to film the signals coming in, you'd

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Speaker 2: been able to film the plays taking place. No one

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Speaker 2: time on the same tape Belichick did. Yeah, apparently he

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Speaker 2: filming other plays. Whatever, But this is what's happening in

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Speaker 2: football for our entire lives. If you grew up playing

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Speaker 2: I do think that the Astros should have lost their

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Speaker 2: World Series, But in this case, how can you argue

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Speaker 2: with twenty five years of unbelievable sustained success. You cannot

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Speaker 2: so as a still member of the media, I'm embarrassed

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Speaker 2: not a Pro Football Hall of Famer, who is right?

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Speaker 2: Who possibly is?

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome him in. He's a senior, although I have

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Speaker 2: can get him to have another year at GB He's

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Speaker 2: our star guard. They call him Juice. We'll get into

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Speaker 2: that in a second. He's Justin Allen, a transfer from

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Speaker 2: Carnegie Mellon University. Who is the first person to call

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Speaker 2: you juice?

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Speaker 1: Marcus Hall was the first person to call me juice.

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Speaker 2: So you didn't bring that nickname with you to Green Bay?

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Speaker 1: I did not know.

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Speaker 2: Did he tell you why he called you juice?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So basically, in like the pregame right ups, everyone

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Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa whoa who gave him the name money Marcus?

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Speaker 1: Whoever? The reporters are who make the pregame like write

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Speaker 2: What reporters?

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Speaker 2: It sounds like students doing it. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: our nickname from Marcus was previous to this year, which

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Speaker 2: I don't white Marcus, white Marcus.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's why it's white Marcus. So last year I

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Speaker 2: So then I would call him white. I call him

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, first he was calling me juicy, and I

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Speaker 1: don't really like that one, so it kind of turned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why was he calling you juicy? Did you ask him?

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Speaker 1: No? I didn't ask him. So when I called him

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Speaker 1: money Marcus, he was trying to come up with a

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Speaker 1: justin was juicy.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 1: I did not love that day. And now it's just Juice,

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: So do you like the nickname Juice?

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Speaker 1: I do like Juice, honestly think it's pretty cool. Kind

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Speaker 1: of stuck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will point out, you know, the last

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Speaker 2: person whose nickname was Juice was don't you was it?

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Speaker 1: Oh? J?

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Speaker 2: Simpson?

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Speaker 2: This has been a fascinating kind of experience being alongside

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Speaker 2: What was it, because I noticed when you got here

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you literally live in the gym, like you're always

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Speaker 1: What favorite part of Green Bay? I would say community.

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Speaker 1: I feel like our Carnegie Mellon. We didn't really have

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Speaker 2: You are Do you consider yourself Jewish? Or is your

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Speaker 1: My mom's Jewish, so technically I do consider myself Jewish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what are your thoughts? You and I have

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Speaker 2: how does that? How does how would that feel to you? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean it appeals to me a lot. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: You know what it's called. Oh yeah, it's called making Aliyah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't want to mess it up, but by

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Speaker 1: I noticed, No, it's you did you did it, You

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Speaker 2: You did a really good job. It's it's super cool.

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Speaker 2: in tel Aviv, there's like five first division teams in

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Speaker 2: and so he's like, i'ma have a Thanksgiving party. All

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Speaker 2: when was the moment You're like, yeah, I can do this.

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Speaker 1: One level I would say, I think at Minnesota and

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Speaker 2: Your Your game is different than anybody else's, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Haw?

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Speaker 2: Did you put it together?

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Speaker 1: Put it together in terms of like how I got

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Speaker 2: That sounds like bull crap.

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Speaker 1: Just I swear this is true.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like that's like, that's like something my dad

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Speaker 2: Where Dylan play high school with you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Fox nine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And how good was see?

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Speaker 1: He's a beast. He plays at a Connecticut college right

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Speaker 1: He has one year left?

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Speaker 2: I mean, can he get buckets the way you can

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: For real?

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Speaker 1: I mean he's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, I mean I don't know if

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Speaker 2: to be in the portal. It's just, yeah, it's just

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Speaker 2: an odd it's an odd thing. Your favorite player we've

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say too. I think Kansas for sure,

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Speaker 2: From don't you wish we could go play there? Now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Now that we actually know, like they're still really good

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Speaker 2: try and figure out who who can handle it. Anyway,

438
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Speaker 2: go ahead with Kansas.

439
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that was just a real like

440
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,920
Speaker 1: coming from my last game being a Division three game

441
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 1: probably in front of one hundred fans, and then going

442
00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 1: to my next game being at Kansas in front of

443
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand was incredible and I was just kind of

444
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,159
Speaker 1: looking around like soaking it in the whole time. And

445
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 1: then second, I'd say, Robert Morris is because my whole

446
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 1: Carnegie Mellon team came and supported me there, and that

447
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,679
Speaker 1: was the most amazing experience for me. So those are

448
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:44,120
Speaker 1: the top two.

449
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,959
Speaker 2: I near saying they like it so for people who

450
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 2: don't know, so we Carnegie Millon is in Pittsburgh and

451
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 2: Robert Morris's Moon Township, which is a suburb of Pittsburgh.

452
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 2: So at the game, how many how many players were there?

453
00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 1: Like ten to twelve players?

454
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Speaker 2: Okay, your coach who had retired after you transferred, right,

455
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 2: uh huh? He was you forced him into retirement. He's like, man,

456
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 2: I don't know just now and I'm done. I'm out,

457
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 2: come out. And then two professors.

458
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 1: Uh so it was the coach, my old head coach,

459
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 1: my assistant coach, two of the women's team coaches. A

460
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 1: professor and like her family, I trained her son for

461
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: a little bit, so he came also. And then also

462
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Speaker 1: there's a sandwich spot on campus called the Exchange, and

463
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,120
Speaker 1: those guys all came to and they brought my order,

464
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 1: which you order. It was a turkey provlo and leduce,

465
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Speaker 1: tomato and mayo on white bread.

466
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 2: And how many days a week on white bread?

467
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

468
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: Okay, how many? How many days a week would you

469
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Speaker 2: get it?

470
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Speaker 1: Every day? They're open? So six days a week?

471
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 2: Why what was your Are you just like one of

472
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 2: those guys? I want to eat the same thing every day?

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Basically I had that, and then I would get

474
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: a bacon, egg and cheese on a croissant for breakfast

475
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: and then go back for lunch.

476
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Speaker 2: So that's the big on a croissant sounds like a

477
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 2: burger king, which is burger king very underrated for for breakfast?

478
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: The crissan witch is that what it's called? Thess You

479
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 2: never had it really, Yeah, yeah, we'll have you back

480
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 2: on and be like that was really. We don't get

481
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: anybody from burger King, but if they want to give us,

482
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I mean, the mcgriddle is is really the

483
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: goat of all breakfast sandwiches, but it's terrible for you.

484
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: Ye.

485
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 2: Not that the chryssanwich is that much better for you,

486
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: but it is better for you than the mcgriddle. I

487
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: definitely think you need to try one of those. Or

488
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: maybe it's a bad thing for me to tell you

489
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,719
Speaker 2: to try one of those, because then you're gonna get

490
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: hooked and that's going to be your every day thing.

491
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 2: They should say, hey, you know, it's really good. Is

492
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 2: quinoa and uh and some some bone broth?

493
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: Definitely not for some some some bone broth.

494
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: How for for people who uh don't know you? How

495
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: many what's your day like in terms of how much

496
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 2: extra work you do in addition to practice?

497
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Speaker 1: So I would say usually before practice, usually we have

498
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: lived so I'll like form you for a little bit,

499
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 1: but nothing crazy. Before practice, we'll have practice. Then right

500
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: after just ends, I'll usually stay for twenty thirty minutes

501
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: with like a coach or a manager and work on

502
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: some finishing, ball handling, some shooting, then go home, rest

503
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and then back at night. I'll

504
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: probably come back and shoot around three hundred four hundred

505
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: shots on the gun, work a little bit ball handling again.

506
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: So probably like at night, I'll come back for hour

507
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: and a half ish after practice, thirty minutes or probably

508
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: two hours total. But I fel like those those little

509
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: segments add up a ton for me and give me

510
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: a ton of confidence and help me keep progressing throughout

511
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: the season.

512
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 2: So you're getting three four hundred up in addition to

513
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: what we get up in practice every every day?

514
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many?

515
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: How many? How often do you skip that?

516
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: Never? I feel like I'll get like stressed out if

517
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: I skip it, Like if I don't use my day

518
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: as best as I can and progress as much as

519
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: I can, I'll feel like I'm like getting behind, and

520
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I hate that feeling. So just trying to stay on

521
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: top of that stuff.

522
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: I know your your dad passed away nine years ago.

523
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 2: Your mom obviously is a huge, huge part of your life.

524
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: Who where does that come from? Your mom's it come

525
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: to your dad? Is that just some of you like

526
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: that that level of not just work ethic and intentionality,

527
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: but it's almost it's almost an OCD sort of thing

528
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: where you just kind of have to do Where does

529
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 2: that come from?

530
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: I feel like a combination the way I was brought

531
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: up and also you know, going through something like the

532
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: past of my father kind of inspired me and like

533
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: motivated me to kind of put my onto everything and

534
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,239
Speaker 1: put my onto basketball, you know, kind of hopefully make

535
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: him proud.

536
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he's got to be pretty proud.

537
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: Right.

538
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: Do you ever do you ever catch yourself in that

539
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: thought where you're like you're at at the US Virgin

540
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 2: Islands and you drop twenty seven twenty eight, like damn,

541
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: Pops would be.

542
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: Super Yeah, just like kind of this whole year honestly

543
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: just thinking like I wish you could see it, but

544
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: definitely knowing that he's proud.

545
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: Has your mom seen you play in person?

546
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 3: She y?

547
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: Has? She saw me once at Kansas, But she's coming.

548
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell me I would have played you more?

549
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: You barely played that game.

550
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: But she's coming this weekend, so it's gonna be good

551
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: for us.

552
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: Oh now now I got pressure. Now I can't Now

553
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: I can't add Matthew because then you got a Jewish mother.

554
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: You don't want to mess with her.

555
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: She's seen it though I don't.

556
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm ah, Now she gonna cook? Like does she is?

557
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: She gonna cook?

558
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: Oh?

559
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: No, no, she's not going to cook.

560
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So you guys going out, Yeah, we'll go out.

561
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: Where's your spot in Green Bay?

562
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: I don't have one yet. That's the thing I like.

563
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: I go to the chains and I need like why

564
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: it's easy Chick fil A, Olive Guardian.

565
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: You can't take her to No, no, don't respect.

566
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean I like her there. Okay, I was thinking

567
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Angelina's just haven't been yet.

568
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: So Italian Blue is is really really good. Obviously, Republic Steakhouse,

569
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: you have Iron Duck where you've you've been there before.

570
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: There's some some good places. I got some some others,

571
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: but yeah, there's nothing. Angelina is just awesome, awesome, really good.

572
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: You guys get your Italian fixed. We've I've done like

573
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: too much Italian, I know, but a lot of pasta

574
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: is not great for you. You should know that. And all

575
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: these guys about Italian. Oh, one thing you wish people

576
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: knew about you?

577
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: It's a good question. I did think about that one.

578
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: That's a good one.

579
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: Okay, would it help you if I share one thing

580
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: you don't know about me? Yeah, trying to think, well,

581
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: it's funny because when you talk about playing in the snow.

582
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: So my late uncle, his name was Sam. Uncle Sam

583
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: was in uh he lived in Stamford, Connecticut, and so

584
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: there was two different Christmases. I was a bit of

585
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: a hell ai in when I was in middle school,

586
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: Like I stayed back in eighth grade. But I knew

587
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: I was going to stay back. So somebody tells you you're

588
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: going to stay back, You're like, well, I'm not going

589
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: to school. I don't cares. So my parents are like, dude,

590
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: go And I spent my Christmas break at his house

591
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: with my aunt Marge, my uncle Sam, two different winners

592
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: in a row. And I would go down and shoot

593
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: hoops and be snowing, and I would have gloves on,

594
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 2: but I would make it like fifteen minut And the

595
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: thing I hated about East Coast hoops was no nets.

596
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: I just did. I couldn't do the no net thing.

597
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: My dad would take me to New York City in

598
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: the summer where he used to where he grew up playing,

599
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: and we'd play it like West Forth or battlegrounds for

600
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: some of these other places, and there were no nets,

601
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: and I was like, I can't. Yeah, I'm I mean,

602
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: obviously in college I wasn't a good shooter, but I

603
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: was previous to that. But I just couldn't do it

604
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: with note with no nets. But I was thinking about

605
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: Uncle Sam. Okay, so I'm not sure I shared with

606
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: you any pythagoram theorem. But it's a little little something.

607
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: Give me, give me something you wish people knew about you.

608
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: One thing is I love music. I love country music.

609
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: And I made a few back in like middle school,

610
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: high school, made a few rap songs that I put

611
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: out for a little bit.

612
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: But wait, can we find them if we google him?

613
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: Probably not. They're they're hitting him pretty well, so I'm hoping.

614
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they're not able to be found. But was

615
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: proud of them when I released them.

616
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: Really yeah, he dropped some out. What was your What

617
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: was your rap name?

618
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: I can't say because then they're gonna be able to

619
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: find it.

620
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, listen, there have been there have been

621
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: black rappers, there have been Jewish rappers. I don't know

622
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: if there's a black Jewish rapper. You could separate yourself there.

623
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: It's not bad. It's that bad, right, and I we

624
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: Actually here's one my best My best friend growing up

625
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: was got A Miles Simon. He was the MP most

626
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: Outstanding player in the nineteen ninety seven final four played Arizona.

627
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: So we had a kid in our team named Jasmine Johnson.

628
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: We called Jasmin Johnson Bump because he had a big

629
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: bump in the back of his head. And we want

630
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: to do a rap group called Chocolate Vanilla Swirl because

631
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: Miles was mixed race and Jasmine was was dark skinned

632
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: and I was obviously vanilla Chocolate Vanilla Swirl. Right. That

633
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: was our We had a we had a rap group

634
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: going at the at the same time. Who is the

635
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: most Who's the funniest of your teammates?

636
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Rob, Rob Stroud Stroud, Yeah, he's hilarious. Yeah.

637
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: So we were together in the dorms like over the summer,

638
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: me him and Lebron and he Yeah, he was always

639
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: making this lab He's a funny He's the funniest. Yeah.

640
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: I think, what would they say about you? They're like,

641
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: here's what you know about justin?

642
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: I feel like I would want them to say that

643
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm hard working, and I feel like I always try

644
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: to bring a positive, positive attitude on and off the course.

645
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: So I feel like those the main thing.

646
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: Are you annoyingly positive?

647
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you don't you know what I'm talking about.

648
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: The annoying people. You're just like, okay, it's not that great.

649
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, I know what the degrees outside.

650
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: Put some beautiful y degrees outside. Like dude, dude, really, dude,

651
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: really in twenty years, just down's doing.

652
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: What twenty years hopefully just finishing up playing professional basketball,

653
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: maybe looking to get into coaching or training or something

654
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: like that.

655
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: You have to remember the place off your.

656
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Speaker 1: Coach maybe maybe train. There's no place I'm with you.

657
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm messing with you. But it is one

658
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: of those things. It's like the guy who went to Harvard.

659
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: We all make the assumption. It's like Romel with navy.

660
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: We all make the assumption that like he's he can

661
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: leap over small buildings and he's you know, he's been

662
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: shot out before, and he's like, look, dude, I was

663
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: a mechanic in the navy.

664
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Speaker 1: Okay, yea.

665
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: So people think because you're cardigiam Mail and that you

666
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: should balance our checkbook, pay our Texas, know every play right.

667
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: It's it's actually a good assumption, but it's definitely assumption

668
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: that people think you're the smartest guy in every room.

669
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Speaker 1: It's definitely not me at all. I feel like I've

670
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: kind of got made fun of on the team as

671
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: like being a dumb smart guy, and people were kind

672
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: of surprised, like how did you go to carnegiatemill And

673
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: obviously I don't really know, but I'm grateful I was

674
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Speaker 1: able to.

675
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Speaker 2: So sadly, you're a New York Giants football fan, Yeah, sadly.

676
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: What do you think of John Hartball as a new

677
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: head coach?

678
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: I think it's exciting. I feel like a fresh start

679
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: could be good, especially with Scatago, Scatto, Bow and Jackson

680
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: Dar and how their season was kind of going. I've

681
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: also kind of converted to be a little bit of

682
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: a Packers fan. Yeah, you know, we didn't love how

683
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: the season ended, but I feel like they kind of

684
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: kind of grew on me as the season went along.

685
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm splitting out Packers and Giants.

686
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: That's okay, I'm Chargers and Packers. You can't be here

687
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: and not unless you're like a hard, hard and true

688
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: Pairs fan, right or last year we had Ryan Wade

689
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 2: who was a Lions fan because he's from Detroit. But

690
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: you can't really like you, you can't not at least

691
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: appreciate the packages. Yeah, what was it like running the

692
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: steps at Lambeau?

693
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: So I didn't get I didn't get to run it

694
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Speaker 1: because I forgot your foot was messing, So I missed

695
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Speaker 1: the whole.

696
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Speaker 2: Do you want to go run it?

697
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Speaker 1: Now?

698
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: To eight degrees outside? We can go run there?

699
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: Definitely not, I can set that out. I think problem.

700
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Speaker 1: I think watching everyone else run it, like being in

701
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: there even was just like a super cool experience, you know,

702
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Speaker 1: seeing that, And then I went to a game a

703
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Speaker 1: few months later and then being able to see being

704
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Speaker 1: like by the field and see the arena empty. I

705
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: had like six in the morning, and then going to

706
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Speaker 1: a game and seeing it packed out and the Packers

707
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: playing playing. It was just amazing to kind of see

708
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Speaker 1: the transformation.

709
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Speaker 2: What would it mean to you to go to the

710
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: unsafe term everything?

711
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Literally everything? I feel like that's been my dream in

712
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: like most kids' dreams. Since you're like a kid, you're

713
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: watching March Madis on TV and you kind of like

714
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: that's like the the end goal. You kind of want

715
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: to play, like I don't want to play there in

716
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: March madness, and now having an opportunity to be there

717
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: is is amazing.

718
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: So we need to we need to sue. Right, you

719
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: only get one year Division one, three years of Division.

720
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Speaker 1: Three to figure that out. Okay, but here's the thing.

721
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Speaker 2: I can only go and get the best lawyer and

722
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Speaker 2: sue if you're going to come back and play here,

723
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: of course.

724
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's if I get another year, of course.

725
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Speaker 2: Okay.

726
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: Well yeah, everybody says that, like you know, I'm serious.

727
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Speaker 2: I got I got, I got sorry coach, I got

728
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: somebody else online too. I got Danny Hurley online online too.

729
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: I got Rick Patino online too. Okay, well we'll uh,

730
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: we'll work on that. So is it okay? When you

731
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: get the ball at the Rest Center, do you want

732
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Speaker 2: people to say juice?

733
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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, let's start that.

734
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Speaker 2: Let's start that. Let's do it, okay? Or do you

735
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: want it to when you get buckets or when you

736
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Speaker 2: or when you get the ball?

737
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Speaker 1: Probably buckets get me. Yeah, I feel like just getting

738
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Speaker 1: the balls a little pretremature, like I have I have

739
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Speaker 1: to earn it.

740
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Speaker 2: You do have to earn it. Yeah, well, our star rebounder.

741
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: When was the last time he had nine rebounds in

742
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Speaker 2: a game?

743
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Speaker 1: I had ten on one game at Cardigie Mellen, like

744
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: my freshman year. But since then, I don't think I've

745
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: had nine.

746
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Speaker 2: We're flying to him. You're flying to him. We're flying

747
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: your team, your coach, your professor, and the guy at

748
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: that what's the spot called the change at the exchange.

749
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: So you get your turkey sandwich and make sure you

750
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Speaker 2: get more rebounds. Justin's been really fun to coach you

751
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: so far, and I'll look forward this stretch run. Thanks

752
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: so much for joining us.

753
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Speaker 1: Appreciated, Thank you for having me.

754
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome in. For the quarter century, he's

755
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: covered the NBA. He has an awesome podcast with Brendan Haywood,

756
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: who's a good friend of mine, a former NBA player

757
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: and of course an NBA analyst. Also this college basketball

758
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: as well. It's called the Seams. He's Rick Buker, longtime

759
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: NBA insider. Let's let's start with the Milwaukee Bucks. Okay,

760
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: the shopping Yiannis. What is a reasonable package for the

761
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Speaker 2: former MVP and h Finals MVP.

762
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Speaker 3: I mean you're talking you're talking about three or four

763
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Speaker 3: first round picks and at least I would say two

764
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: young potential talents. I think that's the that's the minimum.

765
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Speaker 3: It's basically a starter kit to rebuild the Milwaukee Bucks,

766
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: the start over kit. And I know that we've had

767
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: a variety of deals out there. Luka Doncics. They didn't

768
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: get a whole lot for Mikhale Bridges, the New York

769
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: Knicks gave up a ton. I believe that that the

770
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Speaker 3: the Yannis market will reset things to a more logical place.

771
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Speaker 3: And that's why I don't believe that it's going to

772
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Speaker 3: happen until after to the season. I don't know whether

773
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: Yannis plays again this year. He has currently has a

774
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: calf injury. It's really it would be really easy to

775
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Speaker 3: just shut him down considering where the Bucks are and

776
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: wait until they can do something in the off season.

777
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Speaker 3: But the thing that this comes down to, Doug is

778
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Speaker 3: neither Jannie nor John Horset the Milwaukee Bucks wants to

779
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Speaker 3: be the first to say we are going to actively

780
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Speaker 3: look to move Jiannis or in Giannis's case, I want

781
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: to be traded. This really is about who's going to

782
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: take responsibility for the breakup. Who's going to be the

783
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: initiator of it. Both sides are waiting for the other

784
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Speaker 3: side to do that so that it's not on them,

785
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: because in a small market like Milwaukee that resonates, you know,

786
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Speaker 3: who decided to leave is going to have an impact

787
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Speaker 3: on one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, like, look, the model is

789
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, the model is San Antonio. If you look

790
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: at in terms of how to start over. Sure, right,

791
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: both teams had superstars. Okoma City didn't win a championship,

792
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: but they had First they traded Harden, then they lost Durant,

793
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: and then ultimately and then ultimately it was Westbrook was

794
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: gone to Paul George then gave them, gave them SGA

795
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: and that's when kind of the complete refeth complete rebuild started.

796
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: And now they still have a cornucopia of first round

797
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: picks for the next like five years. Houston obviously is

798
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: midway through from where the rebuild was to Again, I

799
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: don't know if ultimately this is the championship team because

800
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Speaker 2: they keep trying to add pieces and I think shorten

801
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: the span of time it takes to rebuild. And San

802
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: Antonio is finally back Obviously getting Wemby helped, but that

803
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: was after tearing it down, getting a bunch of draft

804
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: picks building it back up. And oh yeah, by the way,

805
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: Houston isn't. But San Antonio Okamoma City are small markets

806
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: and San Antonio won championships, Oklahoma City did not. But

807
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: I think the parallels right there. That's what you have

808
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Speaker 2: to do, isn't it.

809
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: Sure? And in terms of rebuilding, no question about it.

810
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that from a small market situation. You

811
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Speaker 3: saw it with Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant left, Kevin Durant

812
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: has been wearing that ever since right Kawhi Leonard left

813
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: San Antonio. He's been wearing that ever since it left

814
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Speaker 3: a mark. I'm just saying that the reason that Giannis

815
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Speaker 3: doesn't want to come right out and say, you know what,

816
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: it's time for me to leave is because he doesn't

817
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: want to have to carry or wear that mark if

818
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 3: he doesn't have to. And on the flip side, John

819
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 3: Horst doesn't want to be Nico Harrison and say, yeah,

820
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: you know what, we decided it was time. Even though

821
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Speaker 3: the circumstances are a little bit different, the impression left

822
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Speaker 3: on that market is the same. Now, I agree with

823
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Speaker 3: you in terms of the rebuilding. If the Milwaukee Bucks

824
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: were really going to take a lesson from Oklahoma City

825
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: and Sam Presty learned this the hard way. It's the

826
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Speaker 3: second your sty our player appears to have one foot

827
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: out the door or is uncertain about whether he wants

828
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: to stay there, you got to make a move because

829
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: now you're at his mercy. Now you're making a Damian

830
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: Lillard trade, even if you know that that's not a

831
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: good trade to make.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's here's the here's the analogy. Here's the analogy. Right,

833
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: you're dating a woman for like a year and a

834
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: half and then somebody goes like, hey, you guys are

835
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: gonna get married. You're like, I know, you know, yeah,

836
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Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen. Yea, And right then it's really

837
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Speaker 2: hard to do.

838
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: But then they go like, you know, I didn't have

839
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Speaker 3: I wasn't always good as a dater, right, I was

840
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: a serial dater, But that that was one thing that

841
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: I was good at. The second I knew it wasn't

842
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: happening or this there was the future here, I.

843
00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: Was gotta go. Okay, Doc Rivers, there's no reason to

844
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: think that he coaches his team next year. If they

845
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: trade Giannis is there.

846
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: Now you're going in a completely different direction. I've never

847
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 3: known Doc to be even though he won his one

848
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: Coach of the Year taking an Orlando team to go

849
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: forty one and forty one. And I don't see him,

850
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: particularly at this point in his career. I don't see

851
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: him as a developer of talent or a rebuilder.

852
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: Did you think the Damien Litle thing would work? When

853
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: it happened, I thought, you're placating.

854
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: This is the price to.

855
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: Get Giannis to re up. I never thought it was

856
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: going to work. I never thought it was a good idea,

857
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: and as it has proved to be. I also didn't

858
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: think that you trade Drew Holliday and resigned Chris Middleton.

859
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: I don't care.

860
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Speaker 1: You could.

861
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: Maybe you get less for Chris Middleton. Chris was done,

862
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: He's done through as he's demonstrated it still had a

863
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: lot left in the tank.

864
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: The genius to the Patriots, and I started this show

865
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: by talking about how unbelievably the idiocy to people in

866
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Speaker 2: I guess, I guess it's still my profession, although really

867
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Speaker 2: more my previous profession. Now your profession, which is covering

868
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 2: the then now they cover the NFL in not putting

869
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: him in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Which the

870
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: genius to Belichick, and how that thing was sustainable was

871
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: one Brady. He didn't really take top dollar. Now he

872
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 2: wasn't like he was making the minimum. But they found

873
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: clever ways so that they had more money to spend.

874
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: And then the big thing was they got rid of

875
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: guys that you're early rather than a year late. Yep.

876
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: And the difference in that, again, that's not what's happened

877
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: here in Milwaukee, and that's not what's going to happen,

878
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: and so it makes them it has died a slow,

879
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: slow death and not exactly a good one.

880
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

881
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: Now, unfortunately, we have a lot of owners that have

882
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: become so sensitive to the public reaction to anything, and

883
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: so when you have someone who is a player who

884
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: is beholden to the market, the owner is less likely

885
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: to make a move. I would say the Golden State

886
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: Warriors may have done the same thing in the instance

887
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 3: of Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, at least as far

888
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: as the decision making. They're clinging to one thing while

889
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: trying to move in another direction and get younger, and

890
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: that's created chaos that they're going to pay for for

891
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: years ahead.

892
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's a crazy one too, right. That one

893
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: feels like Police Academy. Right, Well, you have some of

894
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 2: the same stars, then you try all these different things

895
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: like what are we doing? Just yeah, all it?

896
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: And meanwhile the fan base is like, they're wasting Steph

897
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: Curry's last years. I'm like, all the moves that they

898
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: have made was out of trying to squeeze another one

899
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 3: out for another championship out for Steph Curry.

900
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So that leads to the question, what happens to

901
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: Steph Curry next year?

902
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know that they're going to make

903
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: any move. I don't know that he wants to make

904
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: any move. It is a matter of are you gonna

905
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: be willing to hit the reset button? And what I

906
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: don't what what I believe is Steph is a little

907
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: more wed to helping re get this team going in

908
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 3: the right direction again as opposed to the Lebron James.

909
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: If I'm not playing for championships, I don't want to

910
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: be here or it's not worth my time. Because we've

911
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: seen Steph go through this already in the couple of

912
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: years when they were down and they're a playing team

913
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: and he's giving everything he's got just to get them

914
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: into the plan. He's doing it now, right, And so

915
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: I think he knows as most people who have watched

916
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: him over the course of his career. No, he's not

917
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: the same guy, like everybody wants to say, Oh, it's

918
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: all the pieces around him. Steph can still play at

919
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 3: a very high level, and at times he can look

920
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 3: like the old Steph and he can he can recreate

921
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: that magic, but he can't do it consistently enough with

922
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: especially at this point, with this particular team and how

923
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: they've where all the money is spent, and the lack

924
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: of resources that they have that I think he understands

925
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: all of that. So I don't I just I don't

926
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: see any way anyhow that Steph makes the decision I'd

927
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: like to play for some other team other than the

928
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: Golden State Warriors. I think he knows that he has

929
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: I don't know that he's a guy that wants to

930
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: play to forty. You know, I could see him playing

931
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 3: another year or two.

932
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: Okay, last thing, what happens to Lebron James next year?

933
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: Man, that is that is the one hundred million dollar

934
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: question in terms of where do you go? Because I

935
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: don't think there's a place for him with the Lakers,

936
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 3: certainly not a place that would be.

937
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: In a word, that story does not get out by

938
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: accident that Genie Buss is like over the whole Lebron thing. Right,

939
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: there's no way that that is that For anybody who

940
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: doesn't know that's uh, I heard of virtue signaling. I

941
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: don't really know what that is. That that is like

942
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: signaling to everybody like they're done. Okay, you gotta find

943
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: if you want to keep doing this, you got to

944
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: find a new place. We're good here.

945
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: So here you you walked into a restaurant where you're

946
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 3: waiting for your table, right yeah, And and you can

947
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: see them setting it up, yeah, putting out the napkins

948
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: and plates, and they're getting everything all right, and the

949
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 3: candle in the middle and all that, and then they say,

950
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: your table is ready, Genie Bus, just set the table,

951
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: and now we're going to sit down to the reality

952
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 3: that Lebron James's time with the Lakers is over.

953
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: So what what like he there's no way he doesn't

954
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: go out with the victory tour, right, there's just is

955
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 2: I know, I know, it's just not who. It would

956
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: be so out of character for him. He's like, no,

957
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna like middle of the night, I'm done,

958
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: never see me again, right, or you pop up on TV?

959
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: But what are the options like this? Would Cleveland take

960
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: him back?

961
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: I don't see that that's the choice. I don't see that. Miami. No,

962
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't make any It makes no sense. They they

963
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: had their fill of that. That's the great question. I mean,

964
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: that's that's why. I think, that's why it's a hundred million.

965
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: I think you want to go to Golden State and

966
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: step was probably like no.

967
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: No, and I would say yeah. I mean, Joe Lacup,

968
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: I could see being intrigued by that. Mike Leavy, Mike

969
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: Dunleavy Junior, and Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr, I'll tell you

970
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: right now, he hasn't said it to me. Know, he's

971
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: Steve Kerr as I do. He's not signing up for that.

972
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: He's not, he is not really. I don't think he's

973
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: going to re up anyway right now. That would but

974
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: but that would guarantee that he's not going to re up.

975
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting.

976
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: It's fascinating to me because he's Lebron's gonna have to

977
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: like take a very large discount with the Lakers.

978
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: Yes, and they're gonna they're gonna cut Bronnie too. And

979
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: they're gonna cut Bronnie too.

980
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I would, I would hope. I'm reluctant to

981
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: talk about Bronnie because I do not want to pile

982
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 3: on to the kid either.

983
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just telling you the reality of how

984
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: you the emotions of Like, listen, he's a dad. I

985
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: deal with you know with dads all the time. Okay, No,

986
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: they're just blinded by love. Hey, that's just what it is.

987
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: But the reality is that like he's going to say, like, Okay,

988
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: you gotta take me, you gotta take my son, and

989
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: then I had to play, and you're gonna have to

990
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: pay me more than you want to pay me. And yeah,

991
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: it's crazy to think somebody will acquiesce. I just don't

992
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: think it might be the somebody's that we think it'll be.

993
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: You know.

994
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: What's what's what's interesting about this is that Lebron created

995
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: then where he got to play with his son.

996
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this historic.

997
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: Moment that didn't quite play historic because everybody knows that

998
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: it was artificially created.

999
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: Yep.

1000
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: But all that said, the culmination of that is going

1001
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: to be what that's what LEDs to his own still embarrassing.

1002
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: No, that's what led honestly, that's where they were just

1003
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: like I again, Geenie can say whatever she wants to say,

1004
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: like that part makes it embarrassing to the Lakers, like

1005
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: this is not what the Lakers have ever been about.

1006
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: And then you know the reports are he's not even

1007
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: grateful for it. And you know now they got Ramelina

1008
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: Shelburne saying no, he never asked for them to draft him.

1009
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Come on, like, what do we what do we do?

1010
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: I know, what do we that? That makes me sad

1011
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: because it's what do you say?

1012
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: Are we?

1013
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: Are we semantics here? He didn't go right into the

1014
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 3: office and say, hey, listen, you have to draft Bronnie. Okay,

1015
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: so Rich Paul told him, hey, lebron wants you to

1016
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: draft Annie.

1017
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we? What are we doing?

1018
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: Bronnie James would not be a Laker if the Lakers

1019
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: did not know that that's what lebron James wanted. However,

1020
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: that was communicated. Who cares this idea that it was.

1021
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 3: He never asked for that. They just they they unilaterally

1022
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: decided to draft Bronnie and then we're gonna throw in

1023
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: these other teams that supposedly had interest. The Golden State

1024
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: Wars weren't gonna draft him, the Phoenix Suns were not

1025
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: going to draft him. They were if there was any

1026
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: interest in it. It was Oh, lebron James Might says

1027
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 3: he wants to play wherever his son is. I mean

1028
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: that was said, right, yes, okay, so so so what

1029
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: are we talking about. Lebron said, I'm gonna play wherever

1030
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: Bronnie is. Lakers are like, okay, well we want you

1031
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: to play here. We're gonna draft Bronnie. I mean, what

1032
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: are we talking about.

1033
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. You'll get the best. Let's do this again.

1034
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: Finding the Seams is the podcast you should find it

1035
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: of you find your podcast. He and bred In do

1036
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: an awesome job. Buke, thanks so much, you got it.

1037
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: All right.

1038
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: My thanks to Justin Allen, and my thanks to Rick

1039
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: Buker for joining me on the third edition of The

1040
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb Show. I do want to leave you with this,

1041
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: as we have our Super Bowl teams right the Seattle

1042
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: Seahawks and the New England Patriots, And I think it's

1043
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: fascinating right how the New England Patriots went through. This

1044
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: is their second incarnation of trying to find the air

1045
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: apparent to Tom Brady, and they seem to have hit.

1046
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: But the team I will be rooting for is the Seahawks,

1047
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: and not because I care about the Seahawks in any way.

1048
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, like most Packer fans. Of course, I

1049
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: remember the NFC Championship came there, the touchdown interception in

1050
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: the end zone, the Richard Sherman. I found the legion

1051
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: of Boom to be incredibly talented and remarkably annoying as well.

1052
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: And the bosure of Russell Wilson has been fascinating, fascinating

1053
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: as none of those guys loved him and he hasn't

1054
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: found a home since he left Seattle. But my reason

1055
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: behind supporting the Seahawks cheering for the Seahawks as one guy,

1056
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: it's Sam Donald. Now. I grew up in Orange County, California.

1057
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: He's a former basketball player football player at Santa Clement

1058
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: High School, which is the southernmost part of Orange County, California.

1059
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: But more than anything, it's something that's relatable to so

1060
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: many of us. Watchington play at USC, watched him win

1061
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: a Rose Bowl against Penn State. That doesn't mean that

1062
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: you're going to be a great pro player when you're

1063
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: a great college player. But always loved that when you

1064
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: had Sam Donald coming out of college, and if you

1065
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: asked anybody at USC, they loved him as a guy,

1066
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: as a dude, right, that was the big thing. He

1067
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: goes to the New York Jets and bad. Do I

1068
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: think some of it is the Jets are a mess?

1069
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1070
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: Do I think some of it is that Adam didn't

1071
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: put him in a position to succeed. Sure, But do

1072
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: I think some of it was Sam Donald wasn't wasn't great,

1073
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: lost his confidence and when you're not confident, you're not

1074
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: gonna be good at anything you do. Absolutely. He bounces

1075
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: around the league, gets a chance with the Vikings, and

1076
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: the Vikings had the chance to resign him, and I

1077
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: get it. You'd wait. You had had your first round

1078
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 2: pick and he's sitting out and you're like, man, JJ

1079
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: McCarthy's inexpensive. He's a first round pick. We believed in him.

1080
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: He's the next guy. We got a quarterback whisper as

1081
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: our coach. Well, let him move on. Think about letting

1082
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: Sam Donald walk out the door when he has a

1083
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: career year with the Vikings. And look, it's fair. He

1084
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: looked bad in the playoffs last year, but their offensive

1085
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 2: line got destroyed. How much of that was him? How

1086
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: much of that was the Vikings? Only the coaching staff knows.

1087
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: But think about all those teams that had owned his rights, Jets, Panthers, Niners, Vikings,

1088
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: And think about how well he played this year, how

1089
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: well he played in the NFC Championship game, and how

1090
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: you sit there and go like you know, I know

1091
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigba is their best player. Is an

1092
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: unbelievable talent. But how could he not root for a

1093
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: guy who got beat up by his own performances or

1094
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: by being with crummy franchises or coaches that it didn't

1095
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: all work, and then finds a way to figure it out.

1096
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 2: He's not yet thirty years old, and he's got plenty

1097
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: of time to get to another Super Bowl, but maybe

1098
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: this is the only chance to win one. So if

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Speaker 2: you ask me, that's why, despite the fact that I

1100
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Speaker 2: live in Green Bay and the Seahawks make anybody's stomach uneasy.

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Speaker 2: I'll be rooting for the Seattle Seahawks. I'm Doug Gottlieb,