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Speaker 1: Welcome to Aaron Manke's Cabinet of Curiosities, a production of

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Grimm and Mild. Our world is full of

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Speaker 1: the unexplainable, and if history is an open book, all

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Speaker 1: of these amazing tales right there on display, just waiting

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Speaker 1: for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet of Curiosities.

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Speaker 1: In the nineteen eighties, America fell under a dark spell.

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Speaker 1: I know because I was there. Neighbor accused neighbor of

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Speaker 1: worshiping the devil, while parents fretted over their children playing

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Speaker 1: such demonic games as dungeons and dragons. The Satanic Panic,

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Speaker 1: as it came to be called, was the result of

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Speaker 1: faulty psychology and fears of abuse allegedly being perpetrated by

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Speaker 1: members of the occult. That fear spread across the US,

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Speaker 1: but it had rooted itself deepest inside Ralph P. Forbes

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Speaker 1: of London, Arkansas. Now it's fair to say that Ralph

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Speaker 1: had a bit of a problematic past. When he was

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Speaker 1: younger and living in California, he registered as a member

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Speaker 1: of the American Nazi Party founded by George Lincoln Rockwell.

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Speaker 1: Forbes had actually worked his way up fairly high in

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Speaker 1: the operation as a rally organizer, so much so that

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Speaker 1: Rockwell himself had given him the task of establishing a

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Speaker 1: Christian identity group, a type of hate group with misguided

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Speaker 1: notions about the Bible. But that was the nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 1: a wild time for many Americans, even though Forbes had

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Speaker 1: ignored the flower power of the Hippies, instead choosing the

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Speaker 1: bigotry of the Nazi Party. He eventually left Rockwell's group

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Speaker 1: and started referring to himself as a former Nazi, despite

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Speaker 1: turning around and working alongside KKK Grand Wizard David Duke.

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Speaker 1: Once a bigot's always a bigot, I guess. But there

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Speaker 1: had been a thorn in four side for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It tormented him every year, and worse, it had captured

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Speaker 1: children all over the country in its fiendish claus, leading

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Speaker 1: them ever closer to the dark side. And this profound

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Speaker 1: evil that Ralph was worried about Halloween. He'd been running

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Speaker 1: for a seat in the United States Senate in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six when he decided to take measures into his

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Speaker 1: own hands. On October thirtieth of that year, days before

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Speaker 1: the election, Forbes filed a lawsuit against the person that

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Speaker 1: he deemed responsible for corrupting the nation's youth. Satan, the

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Speaker 1: wannabee senator named three plaintiffs in his suit, all Christian children,

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Speaker 1: Satan was only one of several. Forbes also listed the

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Speaker 1: secular humanism. The case found its way onto the docket

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Speaker 1: of Judge George Howard Junior. Howard would go on to

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Speaker 1: play a part in the Whitewater Ill Estate trial of

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Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, which involved President Bill Clinton and First

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Speaker 1: Lady Hillary Clinton. That case was subsequently lead to the

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Speaker 1: president's impeachment in nineteen ninety eight. But in nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 1: Judge Howard was overseeing the trial of the Century between

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Speaker 1: Ralph Forbes and the Prince of Darkness, and representing Satan

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Speaker 1: on this day in courts was Attorney John Wesley Hall Junior,

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Speaker 1: who had decided to take on the case pro bono.

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Speaker 1: November of that year, Hall argued that, and again this

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Speaker 1: Arkansas end quote, and therefore should be dropped from the suit.

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Speaker 1: In addition, Satan owned no property and committed no chorts

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Speaker 1: against the state. But perhaps Hall's greatest argument was that

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Speaker 1: any legal dispute between Jesus Christ and Satan couldn't be

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Speaker 1: litigated in federal court because it was a First Amendment issue.

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Speaker 1: He went out to claim that Halloween was not a

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Speaker 1: holiday about or in support of devil. It had been

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Speaker 1: clearly mister Hall was good at his job, or maybe

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Speaker 1: the plaintiff just didn't have much of a case to

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Speaker 1: much like Forbes's political career. In addition to embarrassing himself

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Speaker 1: didn't accomplish much during his life. He was a Nazi,

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Speaker 1: Arkansas legal system. Maybe if he'd spent less time worrying

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Speaker 1: real evil living rights under his nose. It was a

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Speaker 1: April twenty first of nineteen oh nine, Percy Redwood and

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Speaker 1: Agnes Ottaway were married in Port Molineau, New Zealand. The

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Speaker 1: really was a show stopping event. Local papers gushed about

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Speaker 1: have the rich ever needed to cut an impressive figure

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Speaker 1: to make friends for people in this small community, Percy

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Speaker 1: was a very exciting newcomer, and it didn't take long

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Speaker 1: for the daughter of the local guesthouse owner, Agnes Ottaway,

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Speaker 1: two quickly developed a friendship that blossomed into love. When

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Speaker 1: the groomsmen walked Percy to the newlywed suite. He was

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Speaker 1: his wedding clothes. Of course, most rich men have a

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Speaker 1: hadn't been paid for upfront. Instead, Percy had gotten everything

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Speaker 1: the money never materialized. Agnes's father, suspicious of the grumblings

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Speaker 1: clear that he would not consider the marriage valid until

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Speaker 1: Percy could prove that he was financially stable. The couple's

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Speaker 1: the commune unity unraveled. Creditors traped in and out of

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Speaker 1: People started going to the police when the money didn't materialize,

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Speaker 1: he said something very very unexpected. You are Amy Bach,

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Speaker 1: was absurd, but Percy didn't deny it. Instead, he simply replied,

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Speaker 1: a she. Percy Redwood's real name was Amy Bach, and

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Speaker 1: she was a woman. And it turns out that she

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Speaker 1: had been a prolific fraudster for most of her life.

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Speaker 1: All of the letters that Amy Bach had allegedly received

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Speaker 1: was broke. In fact, she was drowning in debt. A

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Speaker 1: life of running from the law had not been kind

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Speaker 1: money before. That was a new scheme. Really. Amy had

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Speaker 1: started small, just lying about how much money she had

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Speaker 1: but that never stopped her. Her scams had gotten bolder

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Speaker 1: of scheming eventually attracted a more intense police scrutiny than

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Speaker 1: finally tracked her down, Recognizing her particular brand of fraud,

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Speaker 1: The Ottaway family, of course, was shocked that their daughter's

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Speaker 1: Amy of course pled guilty to all the charges, and

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Speaker 1: she was sent to prison for three years. Agnes Ottaway,

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Speaker 1: Thankfully for her, it was granted and she went on

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Speaker 1: Amy was released from prison three years after her conviction,

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Speaker 1: not as Percy Redwood. Amy never went back to prison

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Speaker 1: on her little scams at cons Thankfully for the local

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Speaker 1: And that's, my friends, is what we hear call curious.

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