Speaker 1: Get gett boys, it's back and reoded all in your mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now deep throating. This is for the streets, the real,
Speaker 1: the railroaded, the disenfranchise, the truth, the scapegoating, and they
Speaker 1: ain't knowing we speak the truth, so they ain't quoted
Speaker 1: because we wrote it. The North South East coat is
Speaker 1: g b my for keeping your head bobbing. It ain't
Speaker 1: no stopping and wants to be tricks by. And then
Speaker 1: the system is so corrupt they throw the rock out
Speaker 1: their heads and then blame it on us. Don't get
Speaker 1: it twisted on code and we danceing for no buttament biscuits.
Speaker 1: It's Willie d y'all scar faces in the building. Collective
Speaker 1: Louis are the ghetto boys, reloaded with another episode of
Speaker 1: information and instructions to help you navigate through this wild, crazy,
Speaker 1: beautiful world in the studio. Bone bone, bone, bone bone,
Speaker 1: lazy bone is in the building. Fast, yes, yes, hey, King,
Speaker 1: let's go on to see you. Man. It's always good
Speaker 1: to see. It's always an honor to being your presence man,
Speaker 1: you know, double o G Yeah, I appreciate you. Right now.
Speaker 1: You're out on the road with your group and TLC
Speaker 1: y'all doing days? How many dates have y'all done so far?
Speaker 1: We've been rapped about twelve twelve days so far, about
Speaker 1: seven mot ago, right, yeah, and then what and then
Speaker 1: it's uh, I'm doing solo dates. So I got solo
Speaker 1: dates coming up. We also got a gang of bone
Speaker 1: dates not at the world opened up. We we're ready
Speaker 1: for Okay, all right, that sounds good man. You know,
Speaker 1: Boom concert is always exciting because you know, you got
Speaker 1: all you guys on the stage and everybody's doing their
Speaker 1: own thing. It's always a lot. It's like a bunch
Speaker 1: of moving pieces, so to speak. So everybody it's like
Speaker 1: you're looking over here. You know, you're doing your thing
Speaker 1: over here, flishes over here doing this thing, busy over
Speaker 1: doing this, that wish overre doing this thing. You got
Speaker 1: crazy over here doing this thing. Yeah, it's gumbo, man,
Speaker 1: it's earned it up in the pot. Look, man, I
Speaker 1: want you to like explain like your relationship with each
Speaker 1: member of the group, starting with your brother flesh, right,
Speaker 1: what's that relationship like? Well, you know my big brother man,
Speaker 1: you know we uh we tied it in we tightest
Speaker 1: net booty and you can't you can't you can't separate
Speaker 1: the house boys. You know what I'm saying that Booty,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just separable. Yeah. But you know my
Speaker 1: big brother man, you know he uh, he really responsible
Speaker 1: for teaching me my responsibilities in life. Taught me how
Speaker 1: to count money, you know what I mean, taught me
Speaker 1: how not to throw it away. You know. So my
Speaker 1: brother is just like we've been inseparable since first grade.
Speaker 1: We went to first grade together and you know, everything
Speaker 1: we did, my mom saying if you go outside, he
Speaker 1: go outside. So one of those relationships the first grade
Speaker 1: together because you yeah, you have the same same mother,
Speaker 1: mother and father. Yes, and y'all the same grade together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So no, that flesh flesh Bone got held back in
Speaker 1: the first grade. Now that was because we was moving.
Speaker 1: We had my mother went to Colorado or something like
Speaker 1: that and came back to Cleveland and they held him
Speaker 1: back and I was starting school. Yes, I have to
Speaker 1: ask that very I know they're not twins, yes not.
Speaker 1: We only were only a year apart though, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So, you know, closest brothers could possibly be.
Speaker 1: You know, Busy Bone the baby of the group. He
Speaker 1: was the last one to come along. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And uh, I met him through my mother
Speaker 1: as well, because my mother had a friendship with his dad,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And we uh end up
Speaker 1: taking him in and that's my little brother, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So ever since I was sixteen when
Speaker 1: he entered into my life, I think he was fourteen,
Speaker 1: and he's been baby bro every since. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Crazy Bone was my is my best friend,
Speaker 1: my my road dog, you know what I mean. The
Speaker 1: reason why I took rap serious in the first place,
Speaker 1: and um met him in the seventh grade. We had
Speaker 1: a group called band Aid boys, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: in uh talent shows and gone shows and we was
Speaker 1: in the choir together and all that type of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had the band aids man. We was, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had them up under our eyes. I think we thought
Speaker 1: that made us tough back in eighties five something like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And Wish Bones is my
Speaker 1: blood cousin too, so it's it's really a family thing.
Speaker 1: So what is bone? I know, bone is the acronym
Speaker 1: for what brothers on normally elimination in butt it out
Speaker 1: niggas every Day brewed out Niggas ay Day and that's it.
Speaker 1: Just boned Bone is the the last name, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? That's we was born Enterprise before we
Speaker 1: was born Thugs and Harmon. What was that dude that
Speaker 1: y'all was working with, Kermit or something like that, Kerman Henderson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: slow Foot Mother is still around. Um, yeah, he's still out,
Speaker 1: He's still he's still alive, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We put out an album called Faces of Death for
Speaker 1: him back in like one. Yeah, and how did y'all
Speaker 1: transition to getting over the easy? Because I'm sure he
Speaker 1: didn't just have y'all for one album? Did he? Just? No? Well, actually,
Speaker 1: I mean that was a whole Jankee situation. We've been
Speaker 1: through what you know what I'm saying. Like, actually, we
Speaker 1: were signed to a management contract and he put the
Speaker 1: record out. We recorded a record mand we was getting
Speaker 1: like fifty dollars a week, splitting uh to dollars a piece,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, ten dollars a piece of fifty dollars
Speaker 1: a week, and um, but I was fifteen fifteen, about
Speaker 1: to be sixteen, and we was just excited to be
Speaker 1: recording back then to hear ourselves on tape. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We was emulating, y'all. We was emulating
Speaker 1: uh n w a, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 1: was out there on the block doing that. Do you
Speaker 1: remember that concert that you guys open up for Ghetto Boys? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: you know, like when I first heard y'all, like, I
Speaker 1: was backstage. Actually I was in the dressing room. And
Speaker 1: so this is before y'all came out, you know, before
Speaker 1: y'all the world knew you guys. As the Bone does
Speaker 1: in harmony, right, y'all probably was okay, So at that point,
Speaker 1: y'all were still boned enterprise. So I'm in the dressing
Speaker 1: room and I just hear this rumbling crowd, noises, people
Speaker 1: just going crazy, and like, what the hell is that?
Speaker 1: What's going on? So Chief, I wrote, Manager was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Chiefs like, man, that's the niggas up, man, that's the
Speaker 1: niggas out here. Man, uh man Bone Bone something man, Man, Man,
Speaker 1: they're going they love that ship man. What the fund
Speaker 1: is they're saying? And he said, man, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but they love that ship man. They love that ship man.
Speaker 1: I was like, so I'm listening and I was impressed,
Speaker 1: but I was not business savvy enough to say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: come on, man, come go. You know, let's do this.
Speaker 1: You know, like I didn't get it, like easy got it.
Speaker 1: Easy heard that and it was so so different, you know,
Speaker 1: that whole, that whole uh soliloquy, rapid style, the cattle float.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's like, what did y'all learn that? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean it was, It wasn't really learned. It was
Speaker 1: developed over a period of time, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like because first well, our first thing was who could
Speaker 1: put the most words in the rap in the bar?
Speaker 1: Whoever can put the most words in the bar was
Speaker 1: the dopest that day, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: Crazy Ball took it and mastered it and really liked
Speaker 1: he put the fire on it. We had a song
Speaker 1: called flow Motion, and that's when we knew that's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna out wrap everybody by put
Speaker 1: more words in the wrap. And then the singing came along,
Speaker 1: because you know, growing up to our parents music Marvin Gay,
Speaker 1: Smokey Robinson or no Stevie Wonder, all that that everything
Speaker 1: we heard in the house trying to be new. Addition
Speaker 1: as kids and and all that so the singing came
Speaker 1: along by us doing our ad libs and you know,
Speaker 1: by us having an alternating switch. We have paused and
Speaker 1: then go pause, go. So that's how we knew how
Speaker 1: to go fast, speed up, go fast, speed up. So
Speaker 1: it was like over a course of years, because from
Speaker 1: like eighty four to ninety two, we was like you
Speaker 1: could say we was an artist development. We was trying everything.
Speaker 1: We tried. We was y'all, we was in w A,
Speaker 1: We was the fush Nickins. We was, um, who what's
Speaker 1: the bum sticky bone, sticky bom bone. Uh that's effects
Speaker 1: yeah all that. So yeah, it was like over a
Speaker 1: ten year period when it wasn't overnight. Ten years we
Speaker 1: was doing talent shows and trying to just be somebody
Speaker 1: for a minute. Yea. So Twister, what was twister at
Speaker 1: this time? Before you get Twister? Twister came out before us.
Speaker 1: I really didn't know too much about Twister, But like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, the foosh Nikins, they had a super fast flow.
Speaker 1: Uh poor righteous teachers had something like flipping bust of
Speaker 1: rhymes variation, but it was fast. Everybody was just going
Speaker 1: fast and was no rhythm to it. And do what
Speaker 1: I went to do it do what that came along.
Speaker 1: It was after I know they was after us. We
Speaker 1: came out ninety four, so they might have been ninety
Speaker 1: six with Pop with our independent album. We met Easy
Speaker 1: and ninety three we met Easy like we left November
Speaker 1: twenty three one way bus tickets when went out. We
Speaker 1: was like homeless for like three months out m California.
Speaker 1: Met Easy, got to open up for him. All that
Speaker 1: long story short in June by jun uh Cleveland and okay,
Speaker 1: so so you open up for Easy in Cleveland, you wrapped,
Speaker 1: didn't you wrapped for him backstage or something like that.
Speaker 1: Let me get you the whole timeline. So we went
Speaker 1: November twenty third. N we left and we went to California.
Speaker 1: We was homeless. We heard he had a show in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: We got back home and he was doing That's when
Speaker 1: he had real motherfucking Jeeves had just came out and
Speaker 1: um no, we hadn't met him, but we talked to
Speaker 1: him on the phone. We had wrapped to him over
Speaker 1: the phone because the secretary we called his office every
Speaker 1: day and we were wrapped to everybody in the office
Speaker 1: and they passed the phone around. Yeah, they passed the
Speaker 1: phone around. So we got back to Cleveland, and because
Speaker 1: we had Faces of Death out and we had our
Speaker 1: thing with Kurmen Henderson and he had the store dolls,
Speaker 1: we had a little connects. So once once we got
Speaker 1: once we did that show. He didn't see our performances
Speaker 1: that night, but that charged us up to bum rush
Speaker 1: backstage and then we just I ran up on Yellow
Speaker 1: Boy wrapping and he picked his head out the door,
Speaker 1: like man, y'all the niggas was on the phone wrapping.
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, man, it's us. He liked boomed and
Speaker 1: that was it. You know, we got back. We went
Speaker 1: in the dressing room. It was about a thousand niggas
Speaker 1: and they're trying to, you know, show E what they had.
Speaker 1: And actually it was being busy that got backstage and
Speaker 1: ship we did our thing and shut off everybody in
Speaker 1: Cleveland had that. We shut that thing down, and he
Speaker 1: uh went back on tour and a few weeks later
Speaker 1: he sent for us, and by novm and and and
Speaker 1: by June we had Thuggers Ruggish Bone out June nine four,
Speaker 1: So it was like a four month period that we
Speaker 1: was recording with Easy and then the album came out
Speaker 1: and the rest was history. How did the name lazy
Speaker 1: Bone come about? Wow? Um, lazy boon? Because if Ryan
Speaker 1: was crazy Bone, you know when I was I was
Speaker 1: telling you, when I was out in Texas, I was
Speaker 1: already I formulated the name Bob. I was busy boned first,
Speaker 1: So I was busy boned. And when I finally came
Speaker 1: home back home to Cleveland, and I shared the bond
Speaker 1: idea with Crazy Bone, and I was like, well, what
Speaker 1: bond would you be? He like, Nigga, I'm crazy, And
Speaker 1: by him being my best friend in the world, it
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm gonna be lazy then. And then
Speaker 1: the busy Bone was just sitting there. And then my
Speaker 1: mom introduced me to to Brian McCain. He was mc
Speaker 1: mellow and but he was off the chain. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you busy bone and I'm basically lazy because it
Speaker 1: rhyme was crazy. Now I don't have a lazy bone
Speaker 1: in my body. Wow. Yeah, that is a fascinating story, man. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: that's that's how I formulated the whole Formulady crazy lazy
Speaker 1: Bone is crazy because it rhyme like that, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to be like my friend. Well, all this time
Speaker 1: I've been doing you damn it thirty years and I
Speaker 1: never thought to ask you that question. Yeah, everybody be like, well,
Speaker 1: why why they call you lazy because you're not lazy?
Speaker 1: You all over the place. Well, there it is. I
Speaker 1: never told it to the world before, but there it is.
Speaker 1: The you see, I tell you crazy, I tell you
Speaker 1: we should tell you. You You heard it here first and
Speaker 1: getto boys reloaded Flesh and tell you you guys put
Speaker 1: out a song with Biggie and you put out a
Speaker 1: song with Pock, one or the few acts in music
Speaker 1: to be able to make that clean. How did that
Speaker 1: come about? Wasn't Biggie and Pop? Wasn't that some kind
Speaker 1: of beef at that time you did those songs? The
Speaker 1: boys was filled. Yeah, so how did you How did
Speaker 1: you guys facilitate making a song with Biggie and Pop?
Speaker 1: And was there any friction within your camp or any
Speaker 1: type of mistrust or whatever on either side? When he
Speaker 1: was guys was like, Hey, I want to do a
Speaker 1: song with you guys. Oh, by the way, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do a song with no It was it was like
Speaker 1: we had did the song with pop first, so pop
Speaker 1: did We did the song with Pop and that song
Speaker 1: came out and um Pop got murdered, and then we
Speaker 1: did the song with Big and we never even heard
Speaker 1: Biggie verse until his came out because he passed away
Speaker 1: before we even got to hear his verse on the song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we you know, and we was from the Midwest,
Speaker 1: so we felt like we felt like, oh like with
Speaker 1: the south, East coast, West coast, we was we had
Speaker 1: a piece of all that being from Cleveland, anybody from Cleveland.
Speaker 1: No that we bumped the ghetto boys from the south,
Speaker 1: you know. Of course, everybody rocked him L A L.
Speaker 1: Everybody from the East coast and n W A and
Speaker 1: DJ Quick and everybody from west. So we stayed mutual
Speaker 1: basically because the fuse that Easy he was having. He
Speaker 1: didn't want us to have no part of that because
Speaker 1: we was ready to ride for eat whatever however, but
Speaker 1: he was like, no, I got something better for y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all different, and we don't know, we we don't understand
Speaker 1: that at the time, but that's how we was able
Speaker 1: to facilitate that. What was it like being around Easy?
Speaker 1: What was his energy like? Man, he was cool, he
Speaker 1: was humble, you know what I mean. You would think
Speaker 1: he would be with the broads. You think he would
Speaker 1: be motherfucking and cussing all the time, But he was
Speaker 1: really like a humble, cool dude. I had my son
Speaker 1: with me back then. He had always take my son
Speaker 1: like that type of spirit love kids, take us out
Speaker 1: to eat niggas, don't eat all a fool. He'd take
Speaker 1: the full give it to the whoever was homeless outside,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he was like he
Speaker 1: was just a cool, cool, cool dude, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like real, real, humble. Can you remember the
Speaker 1: more that you heard about his death. I can. I
Speaker 1: went straight to Cleveland because the moment it was, it
Speaker 1: was so crazy. Man. We had went to New York.
Speaker 1: This was like this wasn't even ninety for almost nine
Speaker 1: It was like November, right after Thanksgiving, we went to
Speaker 1: New York. I remember we went to the tunnel and uh,
Speaker 1: he talked to Ice Cube that night were you know,
Speaker 1: we're kids, man, were like nive with Cube and Cube.
Speaker 1: But we're sitting there watching it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like February, we heard that he was in the house.
Speaker 1: He was where he went to the hospital. Then we
Speaker 1: heard about the AIDS you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: then it was like, well, he gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: We're still recording, he still got us in the studio,
Speaker 1: he's still paying for our room and board and basically
Speaker 1: taking care of us, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: we get a call like easy to eat gone, Like
Speaker 1: what you mean gone? Like where you go? They're like, no, honey,
Speaker 1: heat he passed away, Like what because we couldn't see him.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let us see him in the hospital, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it was like I thought
Speaker 1: the world was over at that time, Like damn, we
Speaker 1: just got on just our luck, bone thugs and bone thugs,
Speaker 1: just our luck with something good happened, and then something
Speaker 1: bad happened, you know what I mean. So I remember
Speaker 1: that day. I was sitting on my stairs talking to
Speaker 1: my wife on the phone and then we get the
Speaker 1: call and mean, I'll call you right back, and they
Speaker 1: told us spread the news around the house, and we
Speaker 1: was just lost. Man. So I went home to Cleveland
Speaker 1: and said, I'm I thought rapping was over with for
Speaker 1: a long time, for about at least three fot five
Speaker 1: months before we got a call saying, okay, we need
Speaker 1: you all to come in and finish what y'all was
Speaker 1: doing one So it was that was the craziest period
Speaker 1: in hip hop that I that we had to endure
Speaker 1: losing him because he kept us solo. I mean, he
Speaker 1: kept us separate from everybody, like we was like his
Speaker 1: secret weapon. If if anybody remember he started getting his
Speaker 1: hair braid and the curl was gone. He was like
Speaker 1: a member of Bone, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I absolutely remember. It's hard to relive it too many. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I spoke to Easy. I never met Easy in person,
Speaker 1: but I spoke to him once on the phone, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's one of those things that you know,
Speaker 1: like when you meet certain people you you you know,
Speaker 1: you wish you had you would have uh I guess
Speaker 1: uh uh alonger relationship with or even having a relationship with,
Speaker 1: you know, some kind of because Easy was a brilliant dude,
Speaker 1: and he don't get an ugh credit for his brilliance.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man, dude gave us you know
Speaker 1: in w A, JJ was in w A. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: had the foresight to see that, you know, but Bone,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm speaking as far as just like groups.
Speaker 1: This is two of the greatest groups of all times.
Speaker 1: Like anybody on anybody's top whatever list, Bone and w
Speaker 1: A is gonna consistently come up. You know that dude
Speaker 1: has some he has some foresight and insight. Do you
Speaker 1: keep in touch with I guess Tami could put that
Speaker 1: put the record out right after he died to Maka
Speaker 1: and uh Cassandra where was a very very influential lady
Speaker 1: that was helping to run the company at that time
Speaker 1: as well. So she was the creative after easy that
Speaker 1: helped guide our creativity into the new Crossroads because we
Speaker 1: had the song cross Roads, which was dedicated to my
Speaker 1: homeboy Wally, uh cousin Bull, a couple of people we
Speaker 1: lost along the way, and then she had the insight
Speaker 1: to say, well, let's let's remake this for E and
Speaker 1: so Cassandra where it was very very instrumental and uh
Speaker 1: Tamika was the executive. She was called she was, she
Speaker 1: was the purse. She was, she was she was making
Speaker 1: it happen. On songs, there's oftentimes a very little thing
Speaker 1: that said in a song that really takes it all
Speaker 1: the way. Like the song can already be jamming, but
Speaker 1: you put us at a little thing or whatever the
Speaker 1: sound or whatever and bad So Crossroads. It's jack it
Speaker 1: all the way through, but then just out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: I don't want to think you like, who can I
Speaker 1: miss everybody? That's busy that's busy Bone part. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: miss everybody, and I'm gonna miss everybody. I'm sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: say yeah, I'm gonna that's busy. Shot that in that
Speaker 1: busy Bones. Shot that in there, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: the crowd sing that when he don't come, when he
Speaker 1: when he not present. We let that song ride and
Speaker 1: let the crowd sing that because they love to say
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss everybody, and and wish bond with that.
Speaker 1: I missed my uncle Charles, y'all. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like those little it's bringing back memories. Man, It's uh,
Speaker 1: that's some good stuff. Man. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: out two days artists who are who has that harmonic
Speaker 1: type sound like bone do you feel like you guys
Speaker 1: you know a part of that evolution. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's what besides having a song with Park Easy and Biggie,
Speaker 1: those three, I feel like that's what solidified Bone thugs
Speaker 1: and harmony. Like not to be cocky but we fathered that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like from when Mariah Carey
Speaker 1: did it. You know what I mean to everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: that sing and wrap and harmonized. Now I hear bone,
Speaker 1: thugs and harmony in it. You know, we don't get
Speaker 1: the props, but without us, it wouldn't be there, right,
Speaker 1: you know. I used to think that, well, there, you
Speaker 1: gotta give me my props to people know what's up.
Speaker 1: And then at some point I'm like, you know what
Speaker 1: fun that you gotta remind people? Yeah, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hey man, you say what you want to say. And
Speaker 1: sometimes people, oh, yeah, oh that's right. He didn't do that.
Speaker 1: Oh I ain't. I didn't know, you know, because I
Speaker 1: used to didn't tell people about my rapping, you know,
Speaker 1: like what as far as my writing, you know, when
Speaker 1: I was writing for Bill, I never told anybody that
Speaker 1: I wrote for Bill until Bill got on an interview
Speaker 1: and said I didn't write for him, and I like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, man, I'm like, you know, especially considering
Speaker 1: that I wrote the first thing that he ever I'm
Speaker 1: the one that suggested that he become a member of
Speaker 1: the get Aboard. I wrote his first rap. I wrote
Speaker 1: Side and Ship my very first thing he said, and
Speaker 1: the dude. For the dude to say that, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna start telling motherfucker's everything that
Speaker 1: I do because sometimes, you know, being humble can can
Speaker 1: cost you. Being too humble can cost you. Let's put
Speaker 1: it like that. I think it's important for people to
Speaker 1: know what you've done if you working on a project.
Speaker 1: That's so many people in this world that work at
Speaker 1: companies and organizations, even at uh at foundations, you know,
Speaker 1: charitable foundations. They do a whole lot to make those
Speaker 1: companies and organizations business or whatever move forward, but they
Speaker 1: don't get any correct credit. They don't get the recognition
Speaker 1: this person and fund of them who ain't really done
Speaker 1: ship and get all of the credit. And I think
Speaker 1: that it's important for people to make note and let
Speaker 1: people know, nah, I did this or whatever. And of course,
Speaker 1: if you work for a company, you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: because some you know, what's that saying and for the
Speaker 1: laws of power never shot in the mask. You gotta
Speaker 1: be very careful about that. How many kids you have
Speaker 1: m hmm yeah, seven eight nine, you got nack? Yeah? Wow? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How many boys and girls? Uh? Five? Five girls? Five
Speaker 1: girls and four boys. Yeah, yeah, grown kids. Now I'm
Speaker 1: five paup Paul and four boys. Any of the kids rapping,
Speaker 1: all of them? Really? Yeah, I'm I'm the new Joe
Speaker 1: Jackson man. All my kids get it. My son's my son,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jr. He's just put out where he got three
Speaker 1: new songs out right now on the internet and uh,
Speaker 1: and he go up under the name of Stephen House Jr.
Speaker 1: Won't change it to a rap name or nothing. So
Speaker 1: he put out a couple of hitted hundred thousand on
Speaker 1: one fuse the first day, you know. But he and
Speaker 1: he actually sing, so they sing, They wrapped instruments, the
Speaker 1: whole nine producing, you know. So they're definitely following in
Speaker 1: my in my footsteps and bone footsteps. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you a list to who I who I'm
Speaker 1: working with. I got Trinity, my daughter, who uh, growing
Speaker 1: up hip hop is interested in and now I'm working
Speaker 1: with growing up hip hop now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So and my son Stevin, he's the rapper rapper, you know.
Speaker 1: So and yeah, they they did and they they're ready, man.
Speaker 1: But they they've been doing it since they came out
Speaker 1: the wound. So you know, yeah, man, my kids are talented,
Speaker 1: and I'm damn there to that level where I got
Speaker 1: a couple more albums in me because I love music
Speaker 1: so much. Man, it's my therapy, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: that music. Me being there to have a studio at
Speaker 1: home brought me home to my children, and I was
Speaker 1: able to share that with him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So now I go home and they got four five
Speaker 1: six that made songs done to, three albums put up
Speaker 1: and you know, just waiting for the perfect time too
Speaker 1: to hit the same with them. They out here and Houston.
Speaker 1: I got two sons out here in Houston making noise
Speaker 1: around the town. So yeah, they I mean not from Houston,
Speaker 1: but they out here. I got their friends, the kids,
Speaker 1: they went to school, We got family out here, so
Speaker 1: they came down here. Actually a little Stevie's first video
Speaker 1: it's done in Houston with the Houston back dropping all that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm rooted. I'm rooted everywhere. Man. When you
Speaker 1: look at your kids, even before let's say, let's talk
Speaker 1: about before they got into the game, you never was
Speaker 1: so jaded by the industry, like a lot of people
Speaker 1: jaded by the industry, So you never was jaded, so
Speaker 1: jaded by the industry that you said herself, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want you doing this, never to any of
Speaker 1: your kids there, you know, because I always looked at
Speaker 1: it like it was a challenge, you know, first of all,
Speaker 1: the challenge of getting in the door, you know. Then
Speaker 1: the second of all, the challenge of trying to make
Speaker 1: my deals better because I got we got took so
Speaker 1: many times, you know them deals wasn't right. But every
Speaker 1: time I sold another record, I've always been, always been
Speaker 1: about the business as well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So every time we did a platinum, I wanted to
Speaker 1: renegotiate everything, and and by me knowing that getting advice
Speaker 1: from e when for the love time that we did
Speaker 1: spend with him, that charged me up, Like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a game, y'all want to play the game. So if
Speaker 1: I sell more records, I get to come back to
Speaker 1: the table and holat two or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the negotiation part kept me into it. And my
Speaker 1: whole thing was always to own everything I want. I
Speaker 1: wanted to do it with little Jay was doing. I
Speaker 1: wanted to do what easy he was doing. It and
Speaker 1: Russ and Lee or Coin's and them. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be that, you know what I'm saying. So music it's
Speaker 1: my love and keep me grounded. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: numbers and money in, you know, just to be the
Speaker 1: best was always so I wasn't jaded about my kids.
Speaker 1: I never tried to, no, because all my life had
Speaker 1: been music. My mother a singer, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So my mother sung. She she never really made it,
Speaker 1: made it, but she did background with the uh oh
Speaker 1: Jays and things like that, where I remember being real
Speaker 1: little with her going to the bars and singing. So
Speaker 1: I ain't never really seen another path but entertainment. So
Speaker 1: is that where it comes from? Yeah, Mama Pete, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mama Pete. Man, she's she's a real brick house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's your mom. Just celebrated a birthday. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: you guys in the same month, labor gang. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you ever have a birthday party together? Man? All my
Speaker 1: parties was with my mom, you know, ever since I
Speaker 1: was I was having house parties. Man. When I was
Speaker 1: twelve years old, you know what I'm saying, all the
Speaker 1: high school kids was coming. My mother let me she'd
Speaker 1: rather stay home and do what we did instead of
Speaker 1: running the streets, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: was allowed to do things other kids my age wasn't
Speaker 1: able to do because my mom other you know, everything
Speaker 1: that went on in the eighties, we did it my mother.
Speaker 1: You know, at one point of time, the crack epidemic
Speaker 1: had her. And you know, I was able to roam
Speaker 1: around and I so dope and I did this, but
Speaker 1: my mother made a safe haven at home. Bone came home,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we had house parties. Man,
Speaker 1: we was the ship way back then. Like so my
Speaker 1: kids get it honestly now that I you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like I learned so much from being robbed and took,
Speaker 1: like now with the Internet and I got all my
Speaker 1: rights back working on getting our masters from Ruthless and
Speaker 1: all that ship. Like, my kids are their own bosses,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, they're managing their own careers. They
Speaker 1: just come to me for advice. I mean, I just consult.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about moving out of Cleveland? Man?
Speaker 1: I um, I mean, I'm I'm always have one ft
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, but mainly I'm in l A because that's
Speaker 1: where all my businesses you know what I'm saying, Like Cleveland,
Speaker 1: we had to leave Cleveland to bring it back, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it wasn't there. It was
Speaker 1: either you go to New York, come down south, or California.
Speaker 1: And that's why I planted my my feet at California,
Speaker 1: and I you know, my empire, it's on both sides,
Speaker 1: but I'm in California because that's where all the business
Speaker 1: at for me. How bad is the gang activity in
Speaker 1: Cleveland now? Because I remember going to Cleveland to do
Speaker 1: a show maybe like two thousand or something like that,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know Cleveland was that bad. It's horrible.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that bad. We had a show.
Speaker 1: And when I say, the whole entire damn vine was
Speaker 1: we're talking game, like everybody was game. I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: what happened? And this was just I guess I hadn't
Speaker 1: been there probably about maybe ten years. When I went right,
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, Yeah, that transformed, and that transforming
Speaker 1: about it because when I was growing when I was
Speaker 1: growing up, when we got on, I was twenty years old.
Speaker 1: So the generation after that, like we didn't even believe
Speaker 1: in gangs like that. We wrapped. Our streets were from
Speaker 1: the street, you know. I mean, we're so dope, that's
Speaker 1: what we did. So now it's they're young man, they died,
Speaker 1: they're going fast, and you know, I know some very
Speaker 1: influential people trying to help that cause in Cleveland. But
Speaker 1: it's bad. It's it's bad. It's nothing. It's nothing to do.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm trying to I'm trying to do what
Speaker 1: I'm doing to bring it home. How did y'all feel, well,
Speaker 1: how did you feel specifically when people were accusing you
Speaker 1: guys are being devil wishippers worshipers back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember y'all doing. Then y'all do something with a
Speaker 1: Weji boy. I can't crystallized memory of it, but I
Speaker 1: remember something. I was doing something with a wei boy.
Speaker 1: Let let me clarify that. So everything we probably ever did,
Speaker 1: we wrote songs about. So in high school, somebody brought
Speaker 1: a Weiji board to school and by the way, it's
Speaker 1: a Parker Brothers game, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: was bought at Toys or us. Somebody brought it to school.
Speaker 1: We played it was like, oh man, we're gonna make
Speaker 1: a song about it. Never thinking that because our most
Speaker 1: of our families are Jehovah witnesses, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we grew up with Christ in us. And yeah,
Speaker 1: our our family, it was mad. It was mad, but
Speaker 1: we made songs crazy. Bam. Mama put us the funk out,
Speaker 1: like she's seen that ship in her house and she
Speaker 1: was like, get the fun out all y'all, get don't
Speaker 1: come back, and yeah, broke it up. And but yeah,
Speaker 1: we made a song about it. Man. And when people
Speaker 1: thought we was uh devil worshipers, I just thought that
Speaker 1: was absurd, Like if you really listen, if you really
Speaker 1: a fan of Bone and you listen to it. We
Speaker 1: mentioned guys so much in our music, like how could
Speaker 1: you think that? But not knowing now that when I
Speaker 1: look at hindsight, okay, I see what they how they
Speaker 1: could have mistooken mistaken that. But now we we We
Speaker 1: rocked with the Lord Man Jesus Christ all day long.
Speaker 1: Jan Roue was recently on the show and he told
Speaker 1: me about how his mother was banished from That's Your
Speaker 1: Hope for Witness program because she had been having relations
Speaker 1: with worldly people, just like just kicking it with hanging
Speaker 1: out with worldly people and they banished that I didn't
Speaker 1: know Jehovah witnesses. Was that gangster? I just thought they
Speaker 1: just knocked on doors. No, no, no, no, they get
Speaker 1: rid of you. Man. It's it's some rules and things
Speaker 1: that go along with being a Jehovah's witnesses. I studied.
Speaker 1: I never became a Jehovah witness, but I studied Jehovah's
Speaker 1: witness and like just like I studied, I studied up.
Speaker 1: I studied the Karan. My brother, Flesh and Bone is
Speaker 1: a Muslim, so you got crazy Bone families, Jehovah witnesses.
Speaker 1: My grandmother was a Jehovah's witness. My brother became a Muslim,
Speaker 1: so we got we got so much. It's a diversity
Speaker 1: with them bond as very very hard displain, but it
Speaker 1: works because we talked about all all love it. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you look at society, let's talk about American society.
Speaker 1: American society is very diverse, but what we don't have
Speaker 1: is people who have a tolerance for people who don't
Speaker 1: have the same beliefs as they do. So how did
Speaker 1: bone does in harmony make it work? Because bone thugs
Speaker 1: and we found out real real early that we needed
Speaker 1: each other because we was all dope on our own,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we were, we dressed dope,
Speaker 1: we was everything we did individually, we shined at it.
Speaker 1: But we we when we recognize if if all of us,
Speaker 1: because we used to do this, well, take our hands
Speaker 1: like one, two, three, five, put it together. Now hit
Speaker 1: that nigger, and that's how we thought, like as a whole,
Speaker 1: we weigh stronger. So I think if American society realized
Speaker 1: that little simple thing, you know, it's it's good to
Speaker 1: be different and get different opinions, you get different outlooks
Speaker 1: on things. And we embraced that, like at the ages
Speaker 1: of twelve and thirteen, because we wanted out of the ghetto. Man,
Speaker 1: it was hard, it was we was hungry, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And when we rocked together, when we
Speaker 1: wouldn't got that bag from the dope man like you
Speaker 1: you on that corner, you on that corner, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be here, y'all, y'all got the night shift, and then
Speaker 1: we'd take the day shift. Like we worked. We rocked
Speaker 1: like that the whole time. So understanding that we were
Speaker 1: stronger together as kids, that's how we got on because
Speaker 1: we stuck together. But America, I just think it's too finicky,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And they just complaining and
Speaker 1: complaining and not appreciating. So that's a whole another bag,
Speaker 1: This American pot wei in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But stronger together, we gotta saying. Called team. The ancronym
Speaker 1: of team is together everyone achieves more. You know that, man, together,
Speaker 1: everyone achieves more. That's the bond anchronym for team. When
Speaker 1: you were in the streets, what's like the worst thing
Speaker 1: that you saw that made you say, Man, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing this father, I got to get the other out
Speaker 1: of it. You know. I got shot in the head
Speaker 1: at six Team. I went to jail when I was
Speaker 1: fourteen for the first time. I was fourteen years I
Speaker 1: never forget these dates. August twenty three, nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: sent me off. We was born. We was bandais boys
Speaker 1: at that time, and I had to be away from
Speaker 1: like my my boys always was my family, and I
Speaker 1: had to be away for that. That's where the bone
Speaker 1: came from, you know what I mean. Like plotting, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a deep story behind bone. But the the
Speaker 1: way it came about was me going to jail and
Speaker 1: I had to come home. And when I did get
Speaker 1: a chance to come home, I lived in Texas. I
Speaker 1: lived in Dallas, went to a school called Trinity and
Speaker 1: that was my tim gray year. And I came home
Speaker 1: and I had to find my brothers. I had to
Speaker 1: find wish Bone. I didn't know where he was at,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I had to find crazy Bone.
Speaker 1: I actually ran into his craziest dad walked in the
Speaker 1: store and his dad was there and I'm like, where
Speaker 1: the fund is that? And he told me and I
Speaker 1: went and found him. And that's about the time my
Speaker 1: mother introduced busy and I was going back to do
Speaker 1: when I left off, like I was going to see
Speaker 1: who who I used to get my bag from and
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I'm home. I ain't say nothing. I
Speaker 1: did my little time, although it was juvenile, you know.
Speaker 1: I went to Texas and came back and boom, walking
Speaker 1: down the street, got mis stick in ass somebody else.
Speaker 1: Niggas jumped out, tried to jump on me and my brother.
Speaker 1: We beat their ass, and nigga poured out a gun.
Speaker 1: I tried to run and they hit me in the head.
Speaker 1: Still there, they said, don't do this, but I'm hardheaded,
Speaker 1: so I shake it anyway. But yes, this so, but
Speaker 1: that was a lifetime ago. It seemed like I was
Speaker 1: sixteen years old. And that's when I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I ain't doing nothing else but music. And right after that,
Speaker 1: if I did sell dope, it was to get the
Speaker 1: clothes we needed. I worked at KFC may show Ball
Speaker 1: had everything we need, a fairy show, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, so I struggle for this. I'm the glue.
Speaker 1: Everybody got their role, you know what I mean. Crazy
Speaker 1: Bone when it comes to wrap and he the sense
Speaker 1: say to me, you know what I'm saying, be harmony
Speaker 1: and fleshes the general and wishes the lieutenant at arms. Me.
Speaker 1: I'm the glue. I'm the liber I'm the one gonna
Speaker 1: go get everybody like it's time to come home, It's
Speaker 1: time to do this. It's it's money to be made.
Speaker 1: So that's my perspective role with the Bone, thugs and Harmony.
Speaker 1: So getting shot in the head, that was it for me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I ain't doing this, no mo. It was
Speaker 1: time to leave Cleveland. And then they killed my best friend.
Speaker 1: My best friend while he was breaking up a fight
Speaker 1: some ship. He ain't had nothing to do with Nigga,
Speaker 1: couldn't hand me, pulled out a pistol, shot him in
Speaker 1: the chest. And when our first when Faces of Death
Speaker 1: was coming out, we got the tape back the day before,
Speaker 1: a couple of days before his funeral, and I buried
Speaker 1: the tape in his put the tape in his uh
Speaker 1: in the coffin, and after that it was like music. Music.
Speaker 1: We got to get out of Cleveland. That was the mission.
Speaker 1: Did they ever found your shooter? Nope, So you could
Speaker 1: have ran across from any number of times you could
Speaker 1: have showed up at a bone concert. I probably shook
Speaker 1: his hand, and if to be honest, if I knew
Speaker 1: who he was, I would shake his hand. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Nigging for changing my mind. H See, I must change
Speaker 1: your mind. Literally, Yeah, I almost made me lose my
Speaker 1: mind too, literally exactly. Um that that shell. You don't
Speaker 1: have to get tested for lead poisoning mm hmm Nope,
Speaker 1: because when it entered I mean at this bomb and
Speaker 1: my my doctor's called me iron head, and every now
Speaker 1: and again I get pains up in here. But that's all.
Speaker 1: It's like they're saying, it's too dangerous to try to
Speaker 1: take it out. They couldn't get it. Yeah, I guess they. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they couldn't. They couldn't get to it. Yeah. I had
Speaker 1: one in my chest and I had it taken out,
Speaker 1: lived with it for about and probably three or four years,
Speaker 1: but I got tired of getting tested. I was paranoid
Speaker 1: about getting tested for lead parts and like catching lad parts,
Speaker 1: and so I would get tested a couple of times
Speaker 1: a year, and then finally I just got removed. Mine
Speaker 1: wasn't as dangerous to remove. So yeah, and my and
Speaker 1: this it was five so so little that they, you know,
Speaker 1: they thought it would be more detrimental to move that thing.
Speaker 1: And I had lost it. It blew my ear out,
Speaker 1: like I was. I couldn't hear my left ear for
Speaker 1: a few years, and then one day I just popped in,
Speaker 1: like miraculously, miraculously, So yeah, I considered that a blessing.
Speaker 1: About a year ago, you hopped on Instagram and went
Speaker 1: in on the me Goes people talking about Me Goes
Speaker 1: is the greatest group, the greatest hip hop group and
Speaker 1: all this step Steph, and you had something to say
Speaker 1: about it. For those who don't remember that, explain what
Speaker 1: was going on, oh man? For so, I know how
Speaker 1: I passed it up since then, but I mean, it's
Speaker 1: all it's it's cool now, but and I was. It
Speaker 1: was I was fighting a battle that wasn't even mine, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was Uh, I guess
Speaker 1: big Boy from from the radio out out in l
Speaker 1: A had asked one of them goals, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: do y'all feel like you're the greatest group? And by
Speaker 1: the way, which I think everybody should feel like they're
Speaker 1: the greatest, you know what I'm saying. And um he
Speaker 1: said what he said, and then Busy took it a
Speaker 1: certain way, and Busy Bone got that um big boy
Speaker 1: like yeah, you like he had a problem with big boys.
Speaker 1: So that little talking and beef was going on, and
Speaker 1: some street niggas had gotta started talking, had got into it.
Speaker 1: So I felt like I had to stand up for
Speaker 1: Bone because Bone is like my baby, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and um, and it was just talk talk talk,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't said nothing that I I was just
Speaker 1: watching that this time. And then um he got on
Speaker 1: there and said something to the effect that them old
Speaker 1: broke niggas, and that pissed me off because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you comme I think it was it was offset because
Speaker 1: I really went at him. I never heard the other
Speaker 1: to really say anything about it, but it was offset that.
Speaker 1: It was like uh like saying like we was played out,
Speaker 1: we was broken. Then they said they was the greatest group,
Speaker 1: not just in hip hop but in rap. But when
Speaker 1: the niggas said that we was broke, I'm like, oh, no, Nigga,
Speaker 1: I worked for mine. And then so I got at him,
Speaker 1: and then uh, one of the other little rappers says something,
Speaker 1: and then it started turning into a thing. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just jumped on the mic and felt a certain way.
Speaker 1: He didn't write nothing down and just went at nigga's heads.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like because I felt
Speaker 1: like you, like I bond thugs and Harmony, would never
Speaker 1: disrespect ghetto boys because y'all paved the way for us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We would never disrespect in
Speaker 1: w way. We would never disrespect tribe called quests or
Speaker 1: anybody that put the work in. I just start feeling
Speaker 1: like these little niggas really think they they're ungrateful, Like
Speaker 1: nig you wouldn't be getting that bag if we put
Speaker 1: the work in and then you're saying you're the greatest group.
Speaker 1: But now you're saying you created my style. Man, fuck you.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt. But I mean now it's like
Speaker 1: I wish I wouldn't have said nothing because they didn't
Speaker 1: pop back. I'm like that, and and it was like, well,
Speaker 1: let's count the money, let's see who's back the big No,
Speaker 1: we're your skills at because we take this rap ship serious,
Speaker 1: like it's an art and it's a real art, you
Speaker 1: know what i mean. So the art was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: they ain't want to They adn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: So I want a lot of people today they measure
Speaker 1: importance by how much money one has a right, and
Speaker 1: I just think about so many people who has had
Speaker 1: an unlimited amount of money who ain't ship. I mean,
Speaker 1: just like, you know, i'mna kind of dude that I
Speaker 1: could be impressed with what someone does, but I'm more
Speaker 1: impressed with what kind of person you are. That's what
Speaker 1: impressed me the most, because I'd rather eat crumbs with
Speaker 1: bombs and snakes, I mean, steaks with snakes, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I would rather eat crumbs with bombs
Speaker 1: than steaks with snakes, and that's the way I I operate,
Speaker 1: And it's just it just trips me out the level
Speaker 1: of as kissing that's out there with when it comes
Speaker 1: to people with money. When I was growing up, you
Speaker 1: could be hard and everything, and you could be a
Speaker 1: dude in the streets getting money. But if you couldn't
Speaker 1: protect your own money, nobody respected you. They're gonna take it.
Speaker 1: They would take it. For these days, these guys, I
Speaker 1: actually out here protecting these dudes. They they're out here
Speaker 1: like getting in the way of the bullets and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, Like of course, well they get in the
Speaker 1: way if they think the bullets ain't really gonna come,
Speaker 1: but when they really come, they get the hell out.
Speaker 1: I wait. But like, we wouldn't protect a sucker. We
Speaker 1: would protect a dude that wasn't gangster, but you know
Speaker 1: he was getting his money, but he respected the code
Speaker 1: and he looked out for people in the hood or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know he didn't he didn't flunt. Right, We
Speaker 1: protect that type of but just like a regular sucker
Speaker 1: and a matter how much of money, hey man, we're
Speaker 1: coming up on get that. You you got to give
Speaker 1: it up because we we just didn't respect I mean
Speaker 1: he's talking about, you know, growing up around a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of wolves. Man, you know, like man and everybody
Speaker 1: trying to eat and you're you're getting all this money
Speaker 1: and you're a sucker and you you know, you're shipping
Speaker 1: on people. Oh man, you ain't gonna survive. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna Absolutely, I'm cut from that cloth. That's the
Speaker 1: cloth I'm covering from. And that's that was the point,
Speaker 1: Like your characters all I like, young man, you don't
Speaker 1: even know. I just turned forty seven, not and did
Speaker 1: more in life for so many, so many, so many
Speaker 1: people like don't count my pockets. That that ain't what
Speaker 1: you do out here in the streets, because once you
Speaker 1: get to count niggas pockets, niggas knock your head off,
Speaker 1: like keep it real. These days ship you got rappers
Speaker 1: that's full blown known snitch and they're still selling records.
Speaker 1: I don't. It's like, I'm not from that era. So
Speaker 1: my thing was, don't disrespect the people who lays your
Speaker 1: foundation down. That was my whole principle behind that. And
Speaker 1: actually Snoop told me, he was like don't even He
Speaker 1: was like, later on, you bigger than that. Just don't.
Speaker 1: It ain't worth it. It's business, and I wish I
Speaker 1: would have listened at that time. So that's water under
Speaker 1: the bridge, and I'm pretty sure you know they'd are
Speaker 1: matured a little bit too, so we can get money.
Speaker 1: I wanted to look up something right quick. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to see this actress's name, Ellen Pompio. I guess that
Speaker 1: I don't know how to pronounced her last name. But
Speaker 1: she's facing some backlash for disrespecting density at Washington. Does
Speaker 1: that Washington? She talked. She told a story on her
Speaker 1: podcast where in the day when Denzel Washington was directing
Speaker 1: an episode of Great Anatomy. She was trying to tell
Speaker 1: one of the actors how to get through the scene
Speaker 1: and Denzel interjected and say, you know, don't you tell
Speaker 1: him what to do? I'm the director, And she said,
Speaker 1: motherfucker this mu said. She said, she said that to Denzel.
Speaker 1: She thought she was gonna get a lot of praise,
Speaker 1: but they lit her ass up on Twitter. I mean
Speaker 1: they lit her up. And that goes to your point,
Speaker 1: you know, the disrespect, Like Denzel open the doors and
Speaker 1: he continues to open doors for anybody that comes after him.
Speaker 1: He laid the foundation. Denzelvis one of the most respected
Speaker 1: actors of all times. And even outside of acting as
Speaker 1: a man, you know, as a philanthroper, you know, as
Speaker 1: a you know, philanthropist, as a as a you know,
Speaker 1: just as a as a father. You know, this man
Speaker 1: is where respected and for heard of. You know this,
Speaker 1: this this is type of stuff we would never hear
Speaker 1: here back in the day, we would never hear uh
Speaker 1: an actor or anybody that was basically someone who came
Speaker 1: after someone who laid the foundation, who paved the way,
Speaker 1: being disrespectful like that. And I said that to make
Speaker 1: this point, keep waking up and then you're gonna be
Speaker 1: that person who paved the way. That's gonna be getting
Speaker 1: shipped on, getting disrespected and being called old and broke
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right. It just trips me out how so
Speaker 1: many people disrespect people who are older. And you don't
Speaker 1: have to be seven, eight and nine years old, you
Speaker 1: can be thirty. They just hate that. The mother fucking
Speaker 1: point isn't that The point of the point is to
Speaker 1: get get like me right, get up and did you
Speaker 1: want to get and you can basically become like a
Speaker 1: social encyclopedia right for you? People get the youngster can
Speaker 1: come and get the game, you know, Like I just
Speaker 1: was always that dude that like to be around the
Speaker 1: older people to suck the game up. I never, when
Speaker 1: I say never, I never disrespected old people like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was taught respect your elders bottom nine.
Speaker 1: You know, back when I was growing up, we are
Speaker 1: on our street and everybody knew everybody. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it ain't like that no more. The
Speaker 1: communities all broke up and things like that. So if
Speaker 1: I was running up and down the street being disrespectful,
Speaker 1: then somebody let my mama know, my mama gonna whoop
Speaker 1: my ass. And then not only that, she's gonna get
Speaker 1: permission to whoever caught me to you know, snatch a
Speaker 1: not and out of nigger. So I don't know where
Speaker 1: we lost it at, and but we gotta get it
Speaker 1: back because we gotta get it back, like because I mean,
Speaker 1: my kids are walking here and they got what I got,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I put that time
Speaker 1: in with him to let them know, Like you, I
Speaker 1: don't care if you if you think you right, that's
Speaker 1: your elder. You shut the funk up and get out
Speaker 1: the door with your difference of opinion, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because it's aged before beauty, the wisdom. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You're in part the people who
Speaker 1: can impart that wisdom on you. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I look up to y'all, y'all my o g
Speaker 1: s you face. You know what I mean, Cube, I
Speaker 1: was raised, I was out there. I'm raised by y'all.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I didn't go do
Speaker 1: what you said you were doing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I learned and wanted to critique, like damn they said,
Speaker 1: like do it like this and like soaking up game.
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe the kids want to be sponges again.
Speaker 1: It looked like it looked like the ignorance might be
Speaker 1: stirred around a little bit to where it's changing. Because
Speaker 1: my kids, my my my homies kids and all that
Speaker 1: they was taught to be respectful. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That we kept them in the Bible. All though we
Speaker 1: talked the street ship, we still the basic instructions before
Speaker 1: leaving Earth. It's put in their hands, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. By the way Bible acronym basic instructions before
Speaker 1: leaving earth. Yeah, I never heard that before. That's tight, man.
Speaker 1: I think you owned something about these kids being sponges
Speaker 1: and wanting to suck up the game, because I'm in
Speaker 1: the same boat. My kids very respectful, My friends kids
Speaker 1: very respectful. So that's why I never like make these
Speaker 1: sweeping general realizations about today's youth because I know so
Speaker 1: many youngsters who are getting it and doing well. You know,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of them who are on the
Speaker 1: right path, and a lot of them are getting money,
Speaker 1: and they have integrity. They're not just doing anything to
Speaker 1: get money. They have integrity. They care about how they're
Speaker 1: viewed by their family. They understand them when they go
Speaker 1: out there, they're not just representing themselves, they're representing their
Speaker 1: family and they get it. So it's salute, salute to
Speaker 1: every one of you out there. So it salute to
Speaker 1: the to the mothers and the fathers, and the aunts
Speaker 1: and the uncles you know, and and the and the
Speaker 1: cousins and the grandparents and and and family friends who
Speaker 1: are who are helping and helping to raise these kids.
Speaker 1: Because it really does take a village, you know, I really,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Uh, Like you have no idea
Speaker 1: when I see stuff like that you're seeing you talk about.
Speaker 1: They gave me chills when you say, you know you're
Speaker 1: kids get it and your homeboys. Yeah, we cut from
Speaker 1: the same cloth. Man. But you know something, I I
Speaker 1: think it goes beyond just disrespectful elderly. I think it
Speaker 1: you know, elders, It goes to the heart of how
Speaker 1: a person is just disrespectful. Period. Some people are just
Speaker 1: disrespectful and they don't respect nothing. So you find somebody
Speaker 1: who don't respect their elders, and that's a person who
Speaker 1: don't respect nothing. I can guarantee you if that person
Speaker 1: don't respect their elders, that's a person that don't respect
Speaker 1: their mother or their father. They don't respect their grandparents,
Speaker 1: they don't respect their they don't respect their peers, they
Speaker 1: don't respect their contemporaries. Some people are just disrespectful and
Speaker 1: they need their asses whooped, you know, like really whooped,
Speaker 1: like really Like I ain't talking about a scuffle. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about an ass whooping so severe that you say
Speaker 1: to yourself, God, if you let me survive this with nobody,
Speaker 1: I'll never do that again. That's the type of ass
Speaker 1: whipping that needs to be administered and it's coming because
Speaker 1: there's always somebody badder than you, and that's gonna be
Speaker 1: always somebody that ain't going to accept the disrespect. It's coming.
Speaker 1: So some of you out there that might be listening, man,
Speaker 1: quick while you're head man, it's okay. You reap what
Speaker 1: you soul man, you absolutely do. So you know, I
Speaker 1: take my hat off to the young jeez that's doing it.
Speaker 1: There's so many that I respect, and I refused to
Speaker 1: let one or two bad apples ruin it for all
Speaker 1: up because we we paid them dudes already. We're not
Speaker 1: going back. I just had this conversation with Tretch, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying about how shout out yeah, shout
Speaker 1: out the trigger trash man because I always get jewels
Speaker 1: from him. And we was just talking and about like
Speaker 1: how what we had to go through in order for
Speaker 1: our children to have the growing up hip hop opportunities
Speaker 1: and things like that. So the beefing within gotta stop.
Speaker 1: The ol gs gotta step in and talk to the kids.
Speaker 1: And and I'm feeling the vibe of it's enough of
Speaker 1: us now to really like we can't be too busy
Speaker 1: to raise them because if we want this planet, you know,
Speaker 1: we gotta that's what we gotta do, and just to
Speaker 1: go back. I don't blame the children. I kind of
Speaker 1: blame America because Mark, you know, they locked my uncle's
Speaker 1: up man, they locked them up in and we was lost.
Speaker 1: I was selling dope, you know, but my grandfather was
Speaker 1: on something different. He had his playing baseball and youth associations.
Speaker 1: They put crack on the streets, which took the attention
Speaker 1: away from raising the kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I was out there, I got shot, so I
Speaker 1: guess I'm here now just to say I could have
Speaker 1: been unlucky enough to not be here, but since we're here,
Speaker 1: like it just we could change it. Let's revisit something
Speaker 1: real quickly. Your relationship with your mother was a very
Speaker 1: good relationship, you would say, right close with that being said,
Speaker 1: how did you end up in the streets because my
Speaker 1: mother ended up on drugs, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I also pride mysel phone helping my mother get
Speaker 1: off for drugs. Once I understood how them drugs got
Speaker 1: into America, and once I understood what we was really against,
Speaker 1: like well, how we didn't put these guns here? And
Speaker 1: I was learning all this stuff from hip hop was
Speaker 1: teaching us like, although, yeah, we had to fuck the
Speaker 1: police and all this, but you still had another angle
Speaker 1: of you know, guidance of saying, well KRS one, telling
Speaker 1: us who put it in? How did it get here?
Speaker 1: It was you know, we're hungry, Why why we got
Speaker 1: you know, this is our only alternatives, our only alternative.
Speaker 1: So once I understood that, I stopped blaming my mother,
Speaker 1: Like I always loved my mother with a passion, but
Speaker 1: I was mad my friends knew she was on that ship,
Speaker 1: you know, I meaning, it didn't make me feel good,
Speaker 1: so I would end up selling it. I needed some
Speaker 1: Jordan's you know what I'm saying. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: up to date. I wanted to look good going to school,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So by the time I
Speaker 1: was I was fourteen when I got knocked the first time,
Speaker 1: six team when I got shot, I was famous by
Speaker 1: twenty because I started reading. I read Napoleon Hill. You know,
Speaker 1: I passed my kids different that I passed them the
Speaker 1: books to self help books that my uncle's wasn't there
Speaker 1: to pass me would pass to me. So I understood,
Speaker 1: like they the incosperation and how they how they was
Speaker 1: getting paid when I found out by Barker on penitentiaries,
Speaker 1: and I used to cut school to watch prices. Right,
Speaker 1: this motheruck's talking about, come on down, the price is right,
Speaker 1: and you owning penitentiaries, like, but you're getting paid for that.
Speaker 1: So I I when I start seeing the monopoly and things,
Speaker 1: you know, I start when I start educating myself, I
Speaker 1: started doing different. So that's all it is, is an education.
Speaker 1: The reason why I ask you the question is because
Speaker 1: you know what we always say, it starts at home, right,
Speaker 1: And I know it don't start out of nowhere. It
Speaker 1: starts at home. Everything starts at home, no matter what
Speaker 1: the government got going on, it starts at home. Now
Speaker 1: we know. I think it's important that we put the
Speaker 1: blames squarely on who's ever, whoever participated. Right. We are
Speaker 1: the generation that came before this generation, the first and foremost.
Speaker 1: We're responsible for the new generation in my opinion too.
Speaker 1: And then the generation before us are responsible also because
Speaker 1: obviously they didn't give us something that we needed. Right.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, you know, you go to the family, you
Speaker 1: go to the person, the individual, right, Because for me
Speaker 1: I understood early on, I was like, man, this government
Speaker 1: is fucked up. They hate us for real, and they
Speaker 1: do have traps out there, and I walked right into
Speaker 1: some of those traps, understanding that I have to make
Speaker 1: sure that I avoid those traps. It's on me. I
Speaker 1: know who these people are, I know they don't life,
Speaker 1: I know what they're doing. I see it. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to participate in the factory. I can't for the
Speaker 1: sake of myself and my seeds. My children are like,
Speaker 1: I got a position, my baby so that they don't
Speaker 1: get got by this system too, you know. And so
Speaker 1: I didn't want I didn't want that to go on
Speaker 1: say it because sometimes you know, we will say, you know,
Speaker 1: we blame the system, and rightfully so this is a
Speaker 1: very wicked, very dibolical system and the people, and you know,
Speaker 1: let me go further than the system and say the
Speaker 1: people that work within the system, many of them are
Speaker 1: very very evil, voul, uncivilized, months greedy, say man, the
Speaker 1: worst of the worst. Right knowing that I like our
Speaker 1: smarten ass, I like to make sure yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: get me. You thought I wouldn't get the land. I
Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, I'm gonna be able to get that.
Speaker 1: I got it. You thought I was gonna be there
Speaker 1: got you, you know, Oh you try to get me
Speaker 1: in that contection. You trying to get me. Oh my,
Speaker 1: I see what you're out doing. I'm gonna go this way,
Speaker 1: you know. Like, So, this is what I impart on
Speaker 1: my kids daily, and I impart on anybody that really
Speaker 1: would listen. Is that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's on us. We gotta because if if we put
Speaker 1: it on somebody else, then we don't have to take responsibility.
Speaker 1: It's like if you're playing basketball, right, You're playing a
Speaker 1: game of basketball and you say, well, man, you know
Speaker 1: the reason I lost, Man because I ain't had the
Speaker 1: right out of shoes, Like, I don't give it the work.
Speaker 1: I can keep playing bad foot it. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: no excuses. I'm out the wind, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to have excuses because excuses hurt Excuses hurt me. Like
Speaker 1: it's like when I just admit it. If I admit
Speaker 1: an excuse, it's like, well, why didn't you do anything
Speaker 1: about it? Like so my thing is, hey, man, we
Speaker 1: can complain all day, but after we complain, let's do
Speaker 1: something about it. And so I am of the understanding
Speaker 1: that if we do something about it, we understand who
Speaker 1: these people are. We understand how the system is really.
Speaker 1: We it's been really from day one. So ain't nothing
Speaker 1: special about us when we consider what I our ancestors
Speaker 1: went through, right, and even our grandmothers and parents went through,
Speaker 1: you know, in civil during the civil rights era. You know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing new under the sun, even Jim Crow and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You know, So ain't nothing special about
Speaker 1: us in regards to what they experienced. And if they
Speaker 1: could get through it and take it off, what hell?
Speaker 1: I know, we can do it, and we gotta do it.
Speaker 1: We don't really have a choice. Start with the man
Speaker 1: in the mirror. Y'all want it for yourself period, you know.
Speaker 1: And and and that's it. And I'm glad you clarified
Speaker 1: that because I'm definitely not pointing the finger over there.
Speaker 1: It's start right here. I want to get their asses too,
Speaker 1: because de some dirty, dibolical, low down uncivilized much so
Speaker 1: their assets got to be called out. I hear people say, well,
Speaker 1: you're always blaming this person. Are you blaming this and
Speaker 1: blaming this? You know? Yeah, mother, I'm gonna get anybody
Speaker 1: who is liable. They are liable. The US government is
Speaker 1: liable first, and foremost they all liable. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, we can't just use that as an excuse
Speaker 1: not to excel. We still gotta do what we gotta do.
Speaker 1: In spite of we gotta live. We got the well man,
Speaker 1: because you have lived, Because Stephen House has lived. Man,
Speaker 1: we have been blessed with some of the greatest music
Speaker 1: in history like that. Anybody could say whatever the hell
Speaker 1: they want to say, but they cannot take away your
Speaker 1: contribution to hip hop and what you continue to give
Speaker 1: to us. Man. Like you said a few moments ago,
Speaker 1: you read with yourself, Man, you have sold some hell
Speaker 1: of a seeds man, and we appreciate you for her.
Speaker 1: That's that's definitely an honor coming from you, man. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, big bro. And you just
Speaker 1: don't vot you well, you know we can't for I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get on the soapbox. But I love you, man,
Speaker 1: and I respect you, and that's an honor. And me
Speaker 1: and my bros and we know the ship y'all wrote
Speaker 1: helped us get to where we are. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Without y'all, it wouldn't be no bone without
Speaker 1: a couple of people that influenced our lives in the
Speaker 1: in the manner that made us want to be creative,
Speaker 1: like damn, we could do that, and here we are.
Speaker 1: And that's and all I'm doing is all I'm doing
Speaker 1: is passing the betime. What I'm saying, I just turned
Speaker 1: forty seven, man, I'm playing on going on tour at sixty.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean having to, not having to. But
Speaker 1: we've been on the road for twenty seven years and
Speaker 1: we probably do like two hundred fifty days a year,
Speaker 1: so I can cut that down to about fifty, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But watching watching the kids and
Speaker 1: these artists that I got up under me, man, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm content, you know what I mean. I feel like
Speaker 1: I didn't my plate. I still got some steak on
Speaker 1: my plate. I'm getting full, Like now, who else want
Speaker 1: to eat? You know what I'm saying. So just spreading
Speaker 1: it out, That's all I want to do. Thank you, man,
Speaker 1: I love you back man, We love you. Thank you,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Lazy Bump in the building. This episode
Speaker 1: was produced by Aching and brought to you by The
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