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Speaker 1: All right, let us talk some basketball. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I used to say a

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Speaker 1: lot during the playoffs playoffs last year, is like, there's

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Speaker 1: this cliche, right, styles make fights, And this is kind

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Speaker 1: completely different styles. Right. You've got this rim assault team

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Speaker 1: while they will take rim opportunities that are there, they

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Speaker 1: They're hunting three point shots from their guards. And you

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Speaker 1: Nicks and Heat. So very interesting game because Eric Spolser

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