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Speaker 1: First question we asked everybody who come on the show

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Speaker 1: is who's the first person to bust your ass when

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Speaker 1: you got to the league?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Uh yeah, Joe Dumar right from the get go.

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Speaker 2: I remember we had to play them. I think it

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Speaker 2: was opening night in their building, opening night of the Palace,

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Speaker 2: and they just want it so they got their rings

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Speaker 2: that night too, and we were in a fanshion team

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Speaker 2: playing our first game, and he wore me out. I

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Speaker 2: remember I got back cut so much. I had no

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Speaker 2: idea picks. I didn't know, you know, got in the league.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what the offensive sets were, where anything

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Speaker 2: was coming from. He just I felt like a JV player.

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Speaker 3: He's one of those real heady, smart, cerebral players, not

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Speaker 3: real talkative, quiet, but he was deadly.

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Speaker 2: Busting your ass and nice about it, you know, offensive

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Speaker 2: value and then help you up and then bush grass

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Speaker 2: on the other end. And it was maddening playing but

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Speaker 2: I learned a lot playing against him, and he helped

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Speaker 2: me as as we went on. As I went on

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Speaker 2: in my career, because we were no threat to the

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Speaker 2: Pistons at that point and I was young. I was

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Speaker 2: the youngest player in the league. In fact, for one

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Speaker 2: year my rookie year. Kareem was the oldest crazy and

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Speaker 2: my dad played against Kareem back in the day, way back.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Joe Joe Dumars, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yo yo, yo, live on location. This is part of

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Speaker 3: the back and forth. You do this every time to

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Speaker 3: make me mess up and start.

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Speaker 2: I see, I see.

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Speaker 4: Live on location.

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Speaker 2: Into it.

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Speaker 4: This is this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: People don't understand though, that this is the best part

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Speaker 2: about being in the locker room. I mean yes, I

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Speaker 2: mean it's like traveling the globe with a bunch of

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Speaker 2: fifth graders with money. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We can eat, we can eat, drink, do whatever we.

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Speaker 2: Want every city. No, alright, you do your things, yo.

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Speaker 2: We live on location.

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Speaker 3: Darius and I are here staying our asses at home

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Speaker 3: in Orlando, staying safe. And we got my main man,

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Speaker 3: Block or Charge, the Kentucky legend in the building, one

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Speaker 3: of the best dudes you're gonna meet. Sit down, chill out,

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Speaker 3: pull up with us and holler at us with my man,

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Speaker 3: Rex Chapman.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for coming through, bro.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate thanks for having me. Folks.

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Speaker 5: Apollo High School, Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: Taking it back.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 5: How was Apollo High school for you man.

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Speaker 2: Apollo High School was great. My dad coached at Apollo

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Speaker 2: before I got into into high school. He coached there

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Speaker 2: when I was a kid. And then we put out

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Speaker 2: another basketball player you guys might not even know if

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Speaker 2: you played at Virginia. His name was Jeff Jones, and

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Speaker 2: he was Ralph Sampson's point guard for all those years

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Speaker 2: at Virginia. So I grew up watching Jeff play, you know,

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Speaker 2: from the time I was little, and he was six

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Speaker 2: y five point guard. And uh so that kind of

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Speaker 2: gave me the backing to know that, look, I know

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Speaker 2: somebody who's done it. Because when you come from a

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Speaker 2: little place like Owensboro, I mean little sixty sixty five

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Speaker 2: thousand people for high schools, you know, seeing somebody from

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Speaker 2: where you you've grown up go off and play college.

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Speaker 2: Because really that's all I was trying to do was

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Speaker 2: get a scholarship. I didn't We didn't have pro basketball

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Speaker 2: in Kentucky. I never saw an NBA game until I

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Speaker 2: played in one. And so, so Apollo was great. I

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Speaker 2: was little. I was little. As a freshman high school,

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Speaker 2: I was like five seven and over that summer I grew,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe six inches and in one summer like

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Speaker 2: messed up, my knees were messed up, you know, just

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Speaker 2: after that, uh, well pretty quickly after that. Once I

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Speaker 2: got my body together, and I just got lucky. I

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Speaker 2: and competitive, really competitive. You know. My dad played and coached,

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Speaker 2: and I knew. I knew what a pussy looked like

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Speaker 2: to him, you know, and I was never allowed to to.

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Speaker 2: You know. I guess I could have played however wanted,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't want to disappoint him. So I was

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Speaker 2: gonna play. I was going to be tough. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I learned at a very young age, you can fight

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Speaker 2: anybody for seconds before the referee break up. Let tyson,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to fight. But other than that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm a stand in there. And you know, you guys know,

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Speaker 2: the second you back down from anybody, especially in this league,

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Speaker 2: they rap, it's a rap. You can't get that back.

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Speaker 2: You can't get it. They own you. You gotta you gotta.

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Speaker 5: Come out and just do something to him.

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Speaker 2: I learned this from Reggie Miller. And I've never told

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Speaker 2: reg this. He I remember coming in the league and

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Speaker 2: you know, people are going at me. I'm a lottery

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Speaker 2: pick white kid from you know, Kentucky. People are gonna

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Speaker 2: go at me, which was fine. I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 2: mind it. It taught me a lot and ship, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna get that if you can play. And so I

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Speaker 2: can remember early on just being really disheartened in the moment,

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Speaker 2: like when a guy would score on me, like dejected,

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Speaker 2: you know, looking over at the bench, wondering if somebody's

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Speaker 2: coming in, that kind of stuff. And I was playing

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Speaker 2: Reggie one time early on, probably rookie year, and I

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Speaker 2: made a good move, came off, put it on the ground,

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Speaker 2: jumped up, shot it over him, went in and I

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Speaker 2: remember going, oh, okay, okay, and he he was already

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Speaker 2: back down, running down to the other end, you know,

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Speaker 2: like it meant nothing to him. And whether it did

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Speaker 2: nobody wants to get scored on. It was like, all right,

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Speaker 2: that's okay, I let him have that one. That's kind

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Speaker 2: of the outward appearance I got from Reggie on that

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Speaker 2: to where you know, we say it all the time

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Speaker 2: you know, act like you've been there before. You're going

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Speaker 2: to get scored on. You're gonna get scored on. Don't

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Speaker 2: give that. Don't give the other man, you know, any

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Speaker 2: sort of belief that he's to you.

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Speaker 1: All right, this one stop, you'll defend it all about

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Speaker 1: one stuff. You can have forty on me. But if

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Speaker 1: I get that one step at the.

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Speaker 2: End of the game, that's right, that's right. And normally

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Speaker 2: I got to have more offensive offensive reps than I

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Speaker 2: do defenses to stay on the floor.

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Speaker 5: At Apollo. When did you know you was the best

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Speaker 5: player in the state?

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Speaker 2: Man? I think probably in my junior year of high school,

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Speaker 2: because we played a tournament in Kentucky called the King

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Speaker 2: of the Bluegrass, and at the time the year before

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Speaker 2: we played in at Dunbar played there, you know, Muggsy

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Speaker 2: So we got out of state New York teams to

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Speaker 2: The competition wasn't great unless it was you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: in Louisville or Lexington, you know, the bigger cities in

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Speaker 2: the states where there's more urban population. But in Owensboro.

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Speaker 2: Now we're real close to Evansville, Indiana, and trying to

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Speaker 2: tell you, guys, the guys that I grew up playing

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Speaker 2: AAU ball with, they went to the other high school

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Speaker 2: and all black sports team high school right and mine

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Speaker 2: where I lived, we were almost all white. But those dudes,

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Speaker 2: those dudes could play. We were third in the nation

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Speaker 2: when we were fifteen in an AAU tournament. These guys

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Speaker 2: could play, and they really made me better. They made

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Speaker 2: me better. And then so playing those guys. And then

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Speaker 2: also at the time in Louisville, there was a guy

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Speaker 2: named Tony Kimbro and Keith Williams. They played on the

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Speaker 2: were great ahead of me, and we played them in

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Speaker 2: the King of Bluegrass and I busted their ass at

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Speaker 2: that point at that point because Tony was six seven six'

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Speaker 2: eight wing, player AND i couldn't wait to play. Them you,

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Speaker 2: know it was before the. Internet you're hearing about guys

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Speaker 2: if they can play or. Not and those guys could,

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Speaker 2: play and they were. Legitimate BUT i just remember finding

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Speaker 2: out after that that you couldn't be player of the

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Speaker 2: year in the state if you was a. JUNIOR i, Was,

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Speaker 2: ah that's. Terrible SO i felt LIKE i got ripped

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Speaker 2: off for about a. Year but that, nah it. Was

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Speaker 2: it was at that point THAT i kind of you,

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Speaker 2: know and it gives you, confidence, Right, Yeah Kentucky, university

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Speaker 5: Chose that could have been any other college or you

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Speaker 5: wasn't leaving the.

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Speaker 4: State, NO i.

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Speaker 2: WAS i. WAS i. WAS i grew up A louisville.

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Speaker 4: Fan Could, yeah state is.

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Speaker 2: Split, yeah, man not, really THOUGH i thought it was.

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Speaker 2: Too it's it's Predominantly, kentucky but In louisville and in,

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Speaker 2: pockets but it's it's MOSTLY. Uk. NO i didn't Like

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Speaker 2: kentucky at all growing. UP i didn't like the thought of.

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Speaker 2: Play closer to me Was, louisville AND i love loved

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Speaker 2: me So Darryl griffith and that whole, Era rodney, McCrae

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Speaker 2: scooter McCrae and all. That and WHEN i started Liking,

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Speaker 2: louisville you, Know i'd have gone to PLAY d two ball. Somewhere,

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Speaker 2: well they started recruiting me, early like WHEN i was a,

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Speaker 2: sophomore they'd come to every. Game somebody would be at every.

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Speaker 2: Game and going into my junior, YEAR i had really

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Speaker 2: verbally committed To, denny And kentucky was way, late which

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Speaker 2: they could kind of afford to. Be they got McDonald's

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Speaker 2: All americans every, year even back at that, point so

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Speaker 2: BUT i. WASN'T i wasn't even thinking About. Kentucky all

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Speaker 2: of a, sudden at the end of our junior, Year

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Speaker 2: kentucky played ON tv in the tournament and they got

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Speaker 2: beat AND i was home by. Myself the phone, rang

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Speaker 2: and at that time it was a landline, world AND

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Speaker 2: i wasn't gonna, answer BUT i knew, who you. KNOW

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Speaker 2: i didn't want to get stuck on the phone with

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Speaker 2: it was one of my boys AND i was going

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Speaker 2: to clown him Over kentucky. Losing and it was the

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Speaker 2: ad At kentucky saying, hey and he's from Where i'm, From,

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Speaker 2: Owensboro kentucky's Name's Cliff. Hagen he, said, Hey, rex this

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Speaker 2: is Mister. HAGEN i, said oh. Hello he, said, Listen

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Speaker 2: Joby hall is going to resign here in just a few.

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Speaker 2: Minutes it was right after they Lost. Kentucky and he,

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Speaker 2: SAID i want to know if you'll just come for a.

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Speaker 2: Visit we're going to Hire Loud olson Or Eddie. Sutton

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Speaker 2: AND i wanted to tell him, no and THAT i

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Speaker 2: AND i didn't have the courage to tell him, that

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Speaker 2: and SO i, said, okay man hung, up and my

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Speaker 2: dad mom got home later that, night AND i was

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Speaker 2: just a, wreck LIKE i don't know what to. Do he, said,

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Speaker 2: listen here's what you're gonna. Do you're gonna Call Denny

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Speaker 2: crumb first thing in the. Morning he'll be in the

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Speaker 2: office in about four. Hours you're gonna call and talk

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Speaker 2: to him and tell him And i'm. Man SO i Called.

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Speaker 2: Denny he, ANSWERED i started telling him the, story AND i,

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Speaker 3: There, yeah that's. Awesome not holding the grudge over, that

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Speaker 2: LOOKED i weighed one hundred and sixty five. Pounds they

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Speaker 2: to do ANY i. COULDN'T i just. Couldn't maybe some

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Speaker 2: the other girls would come up and people and want

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Speaker 2: to you, know autographs on a, campus stuff like, that

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Speaker 2: it wasn't fun for me at. All, yeah of, course

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Speaker 2: the notoriety and all. That when it's, good it's. Good

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Speaker 2: GAMES i found, myself you, know just kind of feeling

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Speaker 1: Down people don't, know like that'd be, pressure like it's

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Speaker 1: pressure for me to perform every, Night like IF i, know,

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Speaker 1: beat me up worse Than i'm gonna beat myself.

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Speaker 2: Up you, KNOW i mean we all. DID i lived

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Speaker 2: and died by the box score every. Day you, know

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Speaker 3: two years At, DePaul i was the big man on.

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Speaker 4: Campus woo.

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Speaker 3: Wooh but Like DePaul is like a kind of transit,

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Speaker 3: we got a campus In Lincoln park that's where all

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Speaker 3: of us stays. Athletes but you, know it's In, chicago

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Speaker 3: so it's like it's not off, somewhere like you Ain't,

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Speaker 3: Lexington kentucky Where kentucky is, everything and it's like you

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Speaker 3: they calling It. Rexington SO i MEAN i could just, imagine.

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Speaker 2: Say what it is That i'm. WHITE i mean, that,

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Speaker 2: YEAH i mean.

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Speaker 4: Look THAT i told you keep it funky.

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Speaker 2: Now, YEAH i MEAN i, knew And i've said this,

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Speaker 2: BEFORE i, knew and all my teammates. Knew my cheers were,

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Speaker 2: GOT i MEAN i got. IT i know how we do,

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Speaker 2: about too. Much and you, know you, guys have you

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Speaker 2: played on teams with guys that they they got because

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Speaker 2: what they, got because you, know times are weird and

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Speaker 1: They definitely are definitely weird situations going.

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Speaker 5: On, yeah there's a lot of popularity contests out.

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Speaker 2: Here, yeah for the most. Part you, KNOW i still

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Speaker 2: it was the best DECISION i could have made coming

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Speaker 2: know they've been good to me and they've helped, me you,

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Speaker 2: know from TIME i was little seventeen. Eighteen they helped

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Speaker 1: Kentucky what made you decide to you, know after all

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Speaker 2: Out we were going on probation that curve ball coming

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Speaker 2: we were top five team all year. Long me and

426
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: my backcourt Made Ed. Davender we considered the best backcourt

427
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: in the. Country we had had a squad and we

428
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 2: got upset By villanova in the sweet. Sixteen AND i

429
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: had never really thought about coming. Out BUT i played

430
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: On TEAM usa this summer before and so and all

431
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: those Guys Danny manning And David robinson and all those

432
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 2: guys were coming, out and SO i, KNEW i, LIKE i,

433
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: KNOW i can play with these. Guys BUT i never

434
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 2: really thought about it that, year coming committed TO us

435
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: With Sean kemp And. SEAN i Took seawn. On, YEAH

436
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: i Took sean on his visit here and he was

437
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: coming and he had signed and Also Chris, mills you,

438
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 2: Know Chris. Mills, yeah, Okay chris was, here was going

439
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: to be. HERE a guy Named Eric manuel who you

440
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: might not, know who could really. Play he was here

441
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: as a freshman WHEN i was a. Sophomore so we

442
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: had a. Squad we were going to have a. Squad

443
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: but at the, time even Having Sean kemp coming, IN

444
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 2: i was going to be a, sophomore we didn't have

445
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: any upper class none who had played at. All all

446
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: of those guys were now, done and it wasn't like

447
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 2: you could just come in Like chris and those guys

448
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: In michigan with a bunch of freshmen and win college basketball.

449
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: Games it just it was unlikely you.

450
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 5: Got them two three or four year teams right, Then like.

451
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, right you, know had it been, today

452
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: Maybe i'd have thought about. Staying the other part about

453
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: that Was Chris. Mills they said an envelope full of

454
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: cash went To Chris, mills it popped. Open it was

455
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: a big. Investigation so that happened during my sophomore. Year

456
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: so the writing was on the. Wall we were going

457
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: to go on. Probation the only question was whether it

458
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 2: was going to be the next, year which would have

459
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: been my junior. Year or my senior. YEAR i wasn't

460
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: going to stay two. YEARS i couldn't gamble, that and

461
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: REALLY i probably couldn't gamble it even for another. Year

462
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: it was maybe the only year they've had a losing

463
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: record in the last fifty. Years you, know it was

464
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: going to be tough to be there and be doubling triple,

465
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: team you, know the whole. Year SO i wasn't. READY

466
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: i was ready, PHYSICALLY i had grown and put on

467
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: a little. Weight, PHYSICALLY i had no problem making that,

468
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: transition but socially, MENTALLY i went to a. TEAM i

469
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: had guys on my team And charlotte who were married,

470
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: kids AND i had no idea WHAT i was.

471
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: Doing they were expansion team at that, time right.

472
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: It was the first year they. PICKED i was the

473
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: first player for the pick for the Expansion Charlotte hornets

474
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, eight and they had only picked one of

475
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: two other guys on the team because they had two

476
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: rounds of expansion, draft which came before the college. Draft

477
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: And charlotte they Had Dale curry And, muggsy who were

478
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: my best friends to this, day both of. Them stephan

479
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: was born my rookie. Year we lived in one apartment

480
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: across from one. Another, Yes delle And sonya And, mugs

481
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: and they really helped raise. ME i mean because for,

482
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: Instance sonya would come over to my apartment asked me

483
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: IF i need. Something she looked in one day and

484
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: she SAW i had like, seventy like seventy packages of.

485
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: UNDERWEAR i didn't even know how to do my. LAUNDRY

486
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: i was just going to buy new underwear Seventy and

487
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: they drafted me.

488
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 6: Eight, yeah the building of that team with you And

489
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 6: muggsy And Dale, curry then you Had Larry johnson come, in.

490
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: And larry came in AND i was. TRADED i was

491
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: traded maybe halfway Through larry's first. Year WE i, mean

492
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: we were. Building the thing with the expansion team at

493
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: that time was you couldn't get any bigs unless you

494
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: drafted a big and then you're gonna have to wait

495
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: for him to. Develop the bigs were not giving up

496
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: in the expansion. Draft that's why guys Like muggsy And

497
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: dell were available because they gave. Up teams were giving

498
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: up backup guards they felt, like and so we couldn't.

499
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: Compete Kelly, trapuka we had all. Guards the year after,

500
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: me they Drafted. Kendall Uh, no they had drafted J.

501
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 2: R read and J. R AND i were the. Same uh,

502
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: yeah J r AND i were the Same donald's, team

503
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: me J. R Derek, Coleman Terry, Mills Rameil robinson had

504
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: a pretty good.

505
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah uh, yeah.

506
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah but after, me they drafted J. R the next

507
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: year and then Drafted Kendall gill and me And. Kendall

508
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: we were all the same high school, class the three of,

509
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: us but we were staggered in. Years. Yeah then we

510
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: Drafted larry AND i was traded, Yeah christmas time of that.

511
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: Year but then they Got alonzo and by that, time you,

512
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: know you got some some guys, There, larry but you

513
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: got some guys who can. Play at that, Point, yeah.

514
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 5: Your game had a like a swag to.

515
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: It who instilled the?

516
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: Game like who you Watched Cayl griffin, Up, okay that's your.

517
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: GAME i wanted to be just like, that you. Know, yeah.

518
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 5: That's WHAT i.

519
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Did AND i was a coach's son. Too and you

520
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: know how they portrayed white coaches. Sons you, know Everybody's Bobby,

521
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: hurley everybody's you, Know Woa joe that they JUST i

522
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: was GONNA i THINK i was determined to not be

523
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: portrayed as that part of. It Kyle macy was AT

524
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: uk WHEN i was, little AND i don't know if

525
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: you guys Remember, kyle But kyle was that guy. Too

526
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: his dad was a. Coach he wiped his. SOCKS i

527
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Love Kyle, macy couldn't jump this, high played in THE,

528
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: nba but he was the traditional white, guy AND i

529
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: didn't want to be looked at that. Way and probably uh,

530
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: yeah and definitely growing up Watching daryl play And David,

531
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: Thompson David, Thompson and WHEN i went To charlotte my rookie,

532
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: Year david had just retired and he used to come

533
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: down once a week and bust my fucking ass from

534
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: he was working the community. Stations but then his knee

535
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: would swell up the next day and he couldn't even

536
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: hardly walk. Around so right, Right i'm.

537
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: Gonna be out two, months gonna BE i gotta get

538
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: that swelling.

539
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: Up, hey let me ask you.

540
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: This so with you speaking on how you didn't want to,

541
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: be you, know the traditional white guy and stuff like,

542
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: that what was your feelings and thoughts when you got

543
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: a chance to look At Tyler hero up and up

544
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: when he walked Into, kentucky and he had to because.

545
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: He got all the sauces he.

546
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: Is he is, personified not your traditional you, know coach's

547
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: son and all of.

548
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: That i'm glad you asked that. QUESTION i knew it

549
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: was gonna be hard on. HIM i knew it was

550
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: gonna be hard on him being. HERE i kind of

551
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: knew how things were At. KENTUCKY i grew up in the,

552
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 2: state even THOUGH i didn't really FOLLOW uk as closely

553
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: AS i Did. LOUISVILLE i knew how people looked At

554
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: kentucky basketball. Players and he could. Play he's a white

555
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: kid who can. Play it was gonna be. Possible he

556
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: was going to be, popular and SO i knew some

557
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: of that was going to be difficult for him BECAUSE

558
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: i think he's also he like a year younger THAN

559
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: i would have been at the same. Age so he's.

560
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: Young but when he came, HERE i thought a couple of.

561
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: Things it, Out i'm like six three or, four But

562
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: i'm six seven, wingspan he's like six, five but six,',

563
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: five right and so you know how we all but

564
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: you know how we. All look if he measured six

565
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: seven or, six eight he'd have been a top five

566
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: pick that not even debatable and should have, been, anyway, Right.

567
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: Right OKAY what i found interesting because he Committed, to

568
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: wisconsin and when he, GOT here I was i do

569
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: interviews with, THE kids i try to sit down and talk,

570
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: to him also try to let, Him, know hey this

571
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: is gonna, be hard and if you, Need anything i'm

572
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: right down. The road so you know whoever. It Is,

573
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: BUT tyler i. ASKED him, i said so you're going

574
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: to Go. To wisconsin what made you decommit and? Sign

575
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: here and he said, Exactly this i'm trying to get to.

576
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: The league.

577
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: Man, sad Okay, Yeah, hooker, yeah yeah.

578
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you THAT'S what. I wanted, i mean, you,

579
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: KNOW really i don't know If if i'd have said

580
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: that in, the eighties that wouldn't have been popular, to,

581
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: Say right but that he said it to me and

582
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: we don't even know, each other it let me know

583
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: that he wasn't phased by the what can be the

584
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: enormity Of the kentucky. Basketball program the OTHER thing i

585
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: noticed right away with him was like he'd be out

586
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: on the floor with his, teammates, beforehand dancing and he

587
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: knows he's put in the work basketball court is his.

588
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: Safe haven he's, comfortable there he can show who he

589
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: is as a person and all.

590
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 4: Of that.

591
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: He's BETTER than i thought he was going. To be

592
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: he's BIGGER than. I am he's GONNA have i think

593
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: he's going to have, a better. LONGER career i know

594
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: he was hurt, this year but also he's. Still, growing

595
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: man he. Really is he's gonna be a.

596
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: GOOD nice i was very impressed, By him and then

597
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: while we, were talking you said that it made me

598
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: just think.

599
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: Of him he Went.

600
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: To kentucky he got a lot of style, in charisma

601
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: and he walking like. He talking you see him out

602
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: there hooping and he ain't. Backing DOWN so i respect,

603
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: it then and the, fact that like we, talked about.

604
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 4: He's doing it and he's learning in that.

605
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: RIGHT organization i FEEL like i agree with you because

606
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: he has a he has a step step up on

607
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: most people when you get drafted and you start, off

608
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: there like everything else is gonna be easy. After this

609
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: if he doesn't Stay in, miami fever wherever else.

610
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: He goes it won't be.

611
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: Any harder it may be, as hard but it won't

612
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: be any harder than what he's.

613
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: Doing today i'm with you one. Hundred percent and the

614
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: fact that he's going. Down there, And look jimmy's not

615
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: easy to play with it be on the. Team with

616
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: and he he Loves. Earned jimmy He earned. Jimmy RESPECT

617
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: but i told him going into the season, LAST year, i, said, hey,

618
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: Man listen jimmy's. Not easy don't you ever back down? From?

619
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: Him though? Not ever and and look he went in

620
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: there and he gained. Everybody's respect he works as that's the.

621
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: Other part he works his. ASS off, i mean same

622
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: Way with bam Out. Of bio love those you got

623
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: And their miami heat type, of, guys, Right, absolutely yeah

624
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: they FIT the.

625
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: Dna totally you D gave bam the seal of approval

626
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: when you have You, don alm who embodies everything that

627
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: that whole. Program means and when you have him say

628
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: that he looks at him as the, same way he

629
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: feels the same way about him that he can mean

630
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: what you d meant to the team when you d

631
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: say that about. A, kid yeah stop the presses because

632
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: he don't. Give compliments you Know what, I'm saying that

633
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: AIN'T what. Ud do and when he say something, like

634
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: that THAT turn i ALREADY. Liked bn but that took it,

635
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: for me just not even doing, anything else just knowing

636
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: that you d. Set that that took it to a

637
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: whole other level.

638
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: For me you get somebody co sign it like ud and. It's.

639
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: Good right how was it for you going To The

640
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: dunk contest early on?

641
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: Like that what was that like?

642
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 5: For?

643
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: You like would you Feel Like woody harrelson And white man?

644
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: Can't jump, YOU know i. REALLY didn't i probably.

645
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: Should have but now because you was bouncy in the,

646
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 4: league though that's why.

647
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: You, didn't yeah it wasn't, no, Secret RIGHT but i my,

648
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: rookie year you, know again we played what fifty Games

649
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: By all, star breaks and the, league was, you know

650
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: really really wanted me to And the hornets wanted me

651
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: to be In The. DUNK contest, i, Said no i'm not.

652
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: Doing it i'm. Going home i'm Going to kentucky for a.

653
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: Few DAYS and i didn't. DO it i didn't do

654
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: it my. First year the next year they virtually made me.

655
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: Do it and so it Was in MIAMI and i,

656
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 2: did it and it was it. Was great, dominique one,

657
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: you know he had been in It with michael before

658
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: and it was KIND of i mean he was going.

659
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: To WIN but i think, that, year Yeah because sean

660
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 2: was in, It Too kim sean was. The, rookie yeah

661
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: he was. The rookie so we had some. Good Dunkers

662
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: BILLY thompson i think was. IN it i named You

663
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: Remember terence stansbury did the sixty. One HANDED so i

664
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: was in it, that year AND then i did it

665
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: the next year because the game Was, in charlotte AND

666
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: then I probably I think i should have. Won it

667
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: sean should have. Won it they gave it To d

668
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: brown with the old pump, him up do. THIS thing

669
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: i don't. LOVE it i. Loved it EVERY time i,

670
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: SEE him, i, say, hey man how's? My?

671
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: Trophy man how those like classic memories, for me like

672
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: twelve thirteen, Years old like that's when we used to

673
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: be sitting down at the house on the floor Watching

674
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 3: The All. Star, games man it was, for real. CLASSIC

675
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: movie i can remember all. Of that that.

676
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: Was.

677
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: CRAZY yeah i.

678
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 5: Used to always do the flip behind you back in.

679
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: The lay yeah it's an. EASY dump i, MEAN.

680
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Right i did it doing the game through. The lane

681
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: just flipped him up. And Dump see i'm proud. OF

682
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: that i came up with that so actually truth. BE

683
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: told i saw a guy kind of try to do

684
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: it BEFORE and, i, went, no no you know who that,

685
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: Guy Was. Danny ferry.

686
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: That's, funny yeah he threw it up like over his

687
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: same shoulder and it went into, YOU know i, was

688
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: like but if you do it, over, here okay right?

689
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: Right right.

690
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 5: So you Go, to, washington like How was jewish Mans?

691
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 5: In washington then Y'all Drive sea web around.

692
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: We, GOT yeah i ended up playing with well some really,

693
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: Good Players scott Skiles And. CALVERT cheney.

694
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 5: I Hated.

695
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: Ca, indiana yeah you.

696
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 5: That was a fab fire guy hated used to kill.

697
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: KILL us, I know, I know i basically don't like Anybody,

698
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: from indiana But, No calvert calvert love. That dude but

699
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: then we got, you know We, Had Googs. Tom google

700
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 2: googs could, play man but then We traded goog's For See,

701
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: Wet yeah seaweb wanted Out Of. Golden state He And

702
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: don nelson didn't like, each other and and then we

703
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: drafted the Next year juwan so but again Had Me,

704
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: Scott Juwan Chris harvey Grant at purvis we, HAD yeah I.

705
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: Think harvey one of those years average twenty A. Game harvey,

706
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: Harvey had yeah. He could, George moved, george Big. Bigger

707
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: george h, tell you tell, you, What man he couldn't run.

708
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: Very well but we didn't have the double shock when We.

709
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: Had george george was a big, fucking man tiptoe to

710
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: dump and loved to, play basketball love to play like,

711
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: he did practiced two, hours early just out there dribbling.

712
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: And ship he. Loved it, but again all those NAMES that,

713
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 2: i mentioned we were all five years in the league

714
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: and under Except, for skiles but all of us we.

715
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: Were young we were just. TOO young, i mean pretty good,

716
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: young team but we're playing Against the bulls And the

717
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: pistons And.

718
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: The knicks when you got To, the heat that's when

719
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: stuff started getting Real With, pat riley and it's a WHOLE.

720
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: Nother nba now you're not only like a lower level

721
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: team where, you're playing you're not really playing games that too.

722
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: Much matter and now you And The nick heat rival, and.

723
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: Like yeah really, AND truly, i Went and i've been

724
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: in THE league i think, seven years six or seven

725
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: years by THE time i. WAS traded i was Traded

726
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: to miami and It was pat's, first year SO and

727
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: i thought, you know and last year of, my DEAL

728
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: so i knew what camp was going, To, BE like

729
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: i had had really gotten. IN shape i was, you

730
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: know it wasn't going to be a matter of me

731
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: going down there and not, you know being good enough

732
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: to play For. PAT riley i was really motivated by

733
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: that ALSO because i knew what pat he was Coming From,

734
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: new YORK and I knew i knew what he was.

735
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: GONNA ask i didn't, exactly NO but i was preparing.

736
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: For IT and i went down THERE and i realized

737
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: so much during. That year the MAIN thing i realized

738
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: WAS that i had been a pro for six or.

739
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: SEVEN years i had been, making MONEY but i wasn't a,

740
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: professional yet and that year taught me what being a.

741
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: Professional was and, it also, you know it made me

742
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: Sad that i've been in the league six or seven

743
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: Years and i've just kind of been floating through on

744
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: my gagging around playing. Grab ass but it taught me.

745
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: A lot, AND well i got THERE and i had

746
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: to have an achille surgery, right AWAY so i missed

747
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: like the first month, of SEASON and i came BACK

748
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: and i was motivated and had a really playing some

749
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: of my best basketball by the end of. That season

750
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: but then they were going to Try to they wanted

751
00:40:53,320 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: to try To sign Juwan and alonso, two hundred so

752
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: both of those guys would. Get this both of those

753
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: guys are represented by, My Guy. David falk we're all

754
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: represented by the. Same Person and i'm the one that

755
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: got fucked in the. Whole situation somebody got. To give

756
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: they wanted me to, come BACK and, I said, I

757
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: look i'll do whatever. You want don't just, you know

758
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: pay me what you need to. Pay me don't make

759
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: me come back on a one. Year deal that's what.

760
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: THEY asked, i said, cut me, release me, trade. Me

761
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: whatever and so what ended up happening was they Did

762
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: sign Alonzo, and juwan but then the league stepped in and,

763
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: said no They sent juwan Back, to washington and so

764
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: then they unrenounced Me And. Walt williams they had waved Us, to,

765
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: yep Yep the WIZARD that i love, that. Dud hilarious

766
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 2: he was Not A miami heat kind of, guy though

767
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: too cool. For. That, yeah Well the wizard wasn't taking

768
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: a charge. On, anybody yeah so they, unrenounced us and

769
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: then they gave me another bullshit OFFER and i, Said

770
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: no SO then i Signed with phoenix as a. Free

771
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: agent that year was great because it was my first

772
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: time even playing in. The playoffs we went forty One.

773
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: In miami We played michael and them in the first

774
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: round and they. Beat us they it wasn't. Even fair

775
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: how pout that five? Game Series thank god.

776
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 5: Another one you Get to phoenix and You Got.

777
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: Jason kidd you got A Young mike finley fan dog

778
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: O gee.

779
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: Ben loved Me Some. Mike finley We, Had wesley Steve.

780
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 4: Nash Man danny ainge.

781
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: Was, coaching, danny yes as. Your coach we started that season.

782
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: And thirteen and IN thirteen i had come to. Camp

783
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: late Cotton fitz simmons was coaching. The team kJ, Was

784
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: hurt jason wasn't. There yet steve was a, little fat

785
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: pudgy rookie sitting on. The bench, so yeah we. Were

786
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: terrible but then they We Had, Sam Castell. Robert lorrie

787
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: they made a couple of trades and ended up bringing

788
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: Trade To michael Finley to dallas And, got jason and

789
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: So around christmas, OR so i think We got jason

790
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: and we were off to. The races man, that dude

791
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: he changed everything one of. The guys, You, know hugh you're,

792
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: Six five jason, sixty four. Six,' three, yeah you. Know

793
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: it's hard, it really is especially if you're. Not a

794
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: scorer TO dominate an, nba basketball game if you're six to,

795
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: FOUR and, under i mean. IT really is i mean

796
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: you got to Be Really. Really russell, Westbrook but man

797
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: jason controlled the game and he didn't even. Have, to

798
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: score yeah he'd go into that just crazy mode, where

799
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: you know, you fall down he's closing out, on your

800
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: man he's getting the loose ball. In the paint he's

801
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: tracked down a loose ball on the Corner. Of. The

802
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: yeah yeah and. He was great, he was, great so

803
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: fast faster with the ball and. Maybe without IT and

804
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: all i had to do was just. RUN with him i. Ran.

805
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: With him man it was just gorgeous. To play with

806
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: and We Had Good, Big Danny. Manning mark bryant we had.

807
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: A nice squad i. Think we won he was fast

808
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: when we got. IN the league i imagine. WHAT he, was,

809
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: i know man he'll get going at that breakneck speed

810
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: and and you had to allow him three or four just.

811
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: Terribly funny turnovers everything just throw one to thirteen feet,

812
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: over the backboard just because he was. Going so fast

813
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: but THE one thing I love about jason was he

814
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: got with us and he was young and it was

815
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: in his head that, he couldn't shoot and people backed,

816
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: off of him and especially We play The Mavericks, and

817
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: don nelson who, had traded him He didn't want jason.

818
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: To look good he would like put a person. In

819
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: The paint so jay was constantly staring down shots and

820
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: we used to have To Me and danny Manning And,

821
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: kJ mark bryant. All of us we, get, on it,

822
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: like hey man you got to shoot. The fucking, Basketball

823
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: if not i'm gonna have two guys in my lap

824
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: all night coming off. These pin downs he's just gonna.

825
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: Send my lap so shoot. The fucking ball we knew he,

826
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: could shoot it but he, had no CONFIDENCE and so

827
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: i like that we were able, to kind, of you

828
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: know we were sort, of that, first you know group

829
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: Of people for jason, to be, like hey man you. Can,

830
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: shoot it yeah that's not. Your thing yet and then

831
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 2: now look he's like all. The, Top time. Mate it's.

832
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: Amazing it's amazing was You there when robert are threw

833
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: The Town and.

834
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: Danny, YIN'S faith yeah. I was there. I was there

835
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: i'm trying to think of what. The Circumstances, Were but

836
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: robert Robert didn't like danny for, whatever reason already, and,

837
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: you know yeah and We were IN boston and i was.

838
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: IN the game i was, in the Game and, somebody

839
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: danny anyway Somebody put in danny put Somebody in for

840
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 2: robert And like through robert the towel, on his, way

841
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 2: you know, onto the court like, here, you go Dude

842
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: not knowing robert was, pissed or whatever and right, in

843
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: that moment he just turned and flung that Thing right

844
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: into danny's face and we, all were like what the

845
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: fuck did? You just do AND so the i got to.

846
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: GIVE it up i got to give It Up to

847
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: JERRY colangelo tho q because the Owner, of the sun's

848
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: because We never. Saw robert again he Went Straight to

849
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: Los Angeles for cedric sebalos and said was a huge.

850
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: Help to us could score without ever running up. Play.

851
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: For.

852
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: Him yeah crazy they came.

853
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 4: Right.

854
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: After that huh he got him right. Out Like.

855
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 3: That jerry clanslow came In like the, chicago tell you,

856
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 3: Like what happened like You know, what i'm saying just

857
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: not the point that it's done, and you're like whoa

858
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: that that?

859
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: That?

860
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 4: Happened?

861
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: Quickly yeah cities you want to what was your favorite city?

862
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: To?

863
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 3: Play, in, miami hey HOLD that's what i want.

864
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: To.

865
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: ASK you Phoenix i. Love, PHOENIX too yeah.

866
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: I love people sleep the miles Got hooked on phoenix

867
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 3: that he came to visit.

868
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: ME out there q, think about it and you WERE

869
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: there when. I was there if You play In phoenix when,

870
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: phoenix is, good it's crazy it's a top three or four,

871
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: You you like like you said my first year when you,

872
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: WERE assistant gym i tell everybody that year was the

873
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: one example from that point ON every team, I went

874
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: to i would.

875
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: Tell, people like bro if, we all who everybody? Gonna

876
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: be good like that was the FIRST time when i was.

877
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: ON the team, i was like everybody was, getting free

878
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: cars free something like.

879
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: It's, a big city but it's a small city in

880
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: some respects and they. Just love that they get it.

881
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 4: Everywhere, The sun bro i'm talking about.

882
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: Top, to bottom bro you had everybody, like doing, appearances

883
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 3: doing something showing up. In THE community like i had

884
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: never been on a team where when we landed. In

885
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: the airport the fans was outside the, gate with signs

886
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: Everything Going. BUT nana's bro i had. NEVER seen that, I,

887
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: was like bro, LIKE you know i had spent my

888
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: first FOUR years in la and.

889
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: We, THERE where man i. Can feel it it.

890
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 4: Was a complete like my, Mind is blown like not

891
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: only did you Know?

892
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: Play with, steve and, yeah, like, yeah yeah, hey so

893
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: listen that's, speaking to that.

894
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 4: Speaking to that do you remember the day When me

895
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 4: and steve? Signed? Our, contracts, oh yeah yeah so do.

896
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: YOU remember that i had to? Get more money we

897
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: had to get you? Some, More money yeah steve gave.

898
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 4: Me the one.

899
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: DO you remember i tell people, ALL the TIME i

900
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: wish i remember the figure because it was crazy the

901
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 3: way how, The. Events transpired bro and it was like,

902
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: AT that point I Didn't. KNOW steve nash i had

903
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: just played against him.

904
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: As a pig that Was that was that was.

905
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: It right there, from day one that, gesture was, like

906
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: All right so i'll.

907
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: Run through A Wall for steve.

908
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: Nash right, now bet like nobody come over here and

909
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: say nothing to my And, my agent, Jeff You. Know

910
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: jeff westley he would stay on me because like when

911
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: he found, out what happened because it was like you

912
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: remember y'all were talking, back For it and jeff was at, me.

913
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 3: Like no nah, he was Like and when steve found

914
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: out what, was going on he cuts trait.

915
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: To the track he ain't called no.

916
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 3: Agent and nothing, he, was, like man listen just take

917
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: it off and through this and then let me and

918
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: you going to the bar and.

919
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 4: Have SOME drinks and, i was like looked at. Him

920
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: like YO and then i was SITTING there like. I

921
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: had to.

922
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: WE had to i Had to text jeff and tell

923
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 3: it what. Was going on, Jeff was like i've never

924
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: heard anything like that. In my life, he was like,

925
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: he was like he's like you better be sure you take.

926
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: Care of him he would. Tell me that he would

927
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: just like increme, like throughout, there, like hey yeah like

928
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 3: you make sure You, you weremind steve but you, Appreciate

929
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 3: What happened like i'm.

930
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: He knows it. HE knows, it i shit he's one

931
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 2: of my. Best, friends. Still yeah indeed but what happened

932
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: was we had. To end up we had, done their

933
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: deals but they had missed miss tallied, the cap number

934
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: and so what ended up happened was we had to

935
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: go Back and start steve off at, a different, number

936
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: you know. A lower number ultimately in. His first year basically,

937
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: What he did i'm gonna, make this up but he

938
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: took like a million dollar haircut so just so cute

939
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: could get all of. His papers exactly. It was beautiful.

940
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: It was beautiful, it WAS amazing brou i had never seen, Something,

941
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: like that like you didn't you, Wasn't my partner you wasn't?

942
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 3: My home boy we really what's up? On the quote

943
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: when we, played each other it was nothing. More than

944
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: that but like from, that point on like, when we

945
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: left we went back to the ridge over there By

946
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: by the houston and stuff till that the boy had

947
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: a good time and then it was it was like

948
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: literally it was.

949
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 4: On From there like steve could, do NO?

950
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: Wrong am i not like, he did anyway he was,

951
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 3: already you know he, perfect but.

952
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: Great great teammate the man made you, drink with him

953
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: you can hang. And he laughs but also, cue that's,

954
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: leadership you. Know that's leadership that's it's what the. Great quarterbacks,

955
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: do you know they take care of their guys that

956
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: especially if You're gonna be it took me a long

957
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: TIME to realize i was. Not a leader if you're

958
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: gonna let me fuck, Around in practice i'm gonna fuck.

959
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: AROUND in practice i had, to learn, to you know be.

960
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: Better than that but It's guys like steve that always

961
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: just he. Was that way he was just the leader

962
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: he was when when, WE got together i was probably thirty.

963
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: Or twenty eight he was, probably twenty one and he

964
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 2: already was way more mature AND wise.

965
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: Than i was one of The funniest things i'd like

966
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: to See on the internet is blocking charge charge made start.

967
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 5: Blocking, charge phenomenon.

968
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 2: Really, it just happened and IT was nothing i thought

969
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 2: about AT all about. I don't know, A year ago

970
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: i was getting really really frustrated and upset with the

971
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: political climate, in THIS country and i wanted off of.

972
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: SOCIAL media completely i just wanted. Off of it it was.

973
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: Driving me insane, and one day, REALLY and truly I

974
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: just saw i saw a Video on the internet of

975
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: a school of dolphins swimming in the shore and a

976
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: guy on a paddle board going out and one of

977
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: the dolphins jumped up hit him, in THE chest, and i,

978
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: SAID out, loud, i said oh that's a fucking charge knocked,

979
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: the guy over and, ALL that yeah i just. Tweeted

980
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: it out people thought, it was funny and of course

981
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: when you, send that out you're only trying to reach people.

982
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: WHO know, basketball i, mean you know nobody else knows

983
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: what the. Fuck, that, means uh, SPORTS sports. People i

984
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: guess and, then you, KNOW from THERE i just i

985
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: started doing it every other d day or. Whatever it

986
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: was and it really, because you, know you guys for

987
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: what you, do right Now whether It's, instagram or twitter

988
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: you got to kind of have a social media presence

989
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: at this point people to hire you to do things.

990
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 2: And all that so it really just WORKED out because

991
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: i wanted off. To begin with and then this, is just,

992
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: uh you know.

993
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 5: It's the concentration. Of, something, else.

994
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly you still be, on the internet but you just.

995
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 2: Don't have. TO that's right I can say i can

996
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: stay away AS much. As i can it's as much

997
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: as my.

998
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: Upbreak about me what was your reaction when when, You,

999
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: found out okay these people are coming to me and

1000
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: want to want TO do a tv show about MY

1001
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 3: something that i, just you know, like you said it

1002
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: just started out how, you just explained and it was

1003
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: just something, that was fun and like now it's. A

1004
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: real deal it's a. IT'S an entity i CAN remember when, i, text,

1005
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: you like dude like this. Like a charge, Thing IS crazy,

1006
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 3: like i know IT'S just like i don't.

1007
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: Know, it was yeah IT'S still. How i. Feel you

1008
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: know the cool, part about it maybe one of the

1009
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: coolest parts about, it for ME is that i do

1010
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: it with a. Buddy of mine we went to. Literal

1011
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: kindergarten together we, went to, kindergarten grade. School high school

1012
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: he went off and went to a School down In.

1013
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: Florida called rollins you guys. Are laying over He, went to.

1014
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: Rollins came back he. Was an ATTORNING we just i do.

1015
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 2: It with him, it's thirty, minutes You know like Thursday Nights,

1016
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: on adult swim on the streaming, and the apps all.

1017
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: Of that stuff but we just sit there like we're,

1018
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: in fifth, grade you know looking at these stupid videos

1019
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: people getting jacked. Up and. Laughing you know it's just,

1020
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: like you know being in great. Grade school again so

1021
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: that part of. It is great it still does kind of.

1022
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: Blows me away that lets me know people want content

1023
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: because it ain't.

1024
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: The best, content but no, the thing is the thing

1025
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: is you doing a service, to society though like, you've

1026
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: seen something you, just took it and you. Making people

1027
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: laugh it's funny videos every time. You see it that's.

1028
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 3: THE overwhelming thing i KNOW that if i see a

1029
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: Block of t i'm about. To crack up it's gonna

1030
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: be some. Level with funny some my, funnier than others

1031
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 3: but it's always a. Level WITH funny and i feel like,

1032
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: that's just, you you know, shining the light trying to.

1033
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: Make people smile so THAT'S why when i hit, you,

1034
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: out like man. This is crazy THIS is like i

1035
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 3: was loving that it was getting attraction and getting getting

1036
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: all of the, retweets and.

1037
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: Stuff because THAT was how.

1038
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 4: I first saw, i was like. WHAT is this, i,

1039
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 4: was like man this. IS getting crazy.

1040
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. You you know the one of the

1041
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: main UNINTENDED consequences that i like of this whole THING

1042
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: is that i set Up that this twitter handle probably.

1043
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: Ten years AGO the reason i wore. Number three first

1044
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: it was one of the smallest uniforms that WAS available when, I,

1045
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: was right uh we had double zero and three, and maybe,

1046
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: five you.

1047
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: Know the big numbers and for, the, Big BOYS.

1048
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: Right but i also knew at that at that moment

1049
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: that there was This dude in minneapolis who could. Really

1050
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: play Music. That WAS prince and i was in HIGH

1051
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: school and i saw A picture of prince and. His,

1052
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: basketball team, Wow NUMBER three so I up with i.

1053
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: Kept with it my point being is that my My

1054
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: avatar on Twitter is A prince and i. Forget about

1055
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 2: THAT but what i know IS every, time i tweet

1056
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: it just gives him a little bit of life back

1057
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: into people's consciousness, or split second. That split second so

1058
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 2: that part about it really makes. ME feel good i love.

1059
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: That little dude let me.

1060
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 3: Tell you something my sister might jump through the screen and.

1061
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: Try and hook she Is the, biggest prince, fan like

1062
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: Literally she has jean, outfits with them airbrush, stuff with

1063
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 3: them painting. On her shirt she Is the biggest. Prince

1064
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: fan ever so to hear, THAT you are i, never

1065
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: KNEW that and i don't think anybody else probably know

1066
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: that about that is. Crazy right there to see you

1067
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 3: know that you were at number Three, because of prince

1068
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 3: and that's.

1069
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 4: That's that's, heavy. That's, dope man.

1070
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank you yeah we got to meet. Him one

1071
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: time we got to meet him after he Came to.

1072
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: A Timberwolves game with Jimmy Jam and terry Lewis and

1073
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: Uh Me. And kenny. WALKER after game i remember going

1074
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: Up To, Him, jammy walker, Yeah My guy kenny skywalker

1075
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: and we were played both playing bullets, at the time and.

1076
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: H went up i never and what blew me was.

1077
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: He knew, us you know. He knew us we just

1078
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: played a ball game and he. Was talking, Basketball you

1079
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 2: know i've been around. Some famous people y'all been. Around

1080
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: famous people i've never been AROUND anybody that i Was

1081
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: Aside from MUHAMMAD ali that i was that sort of. Just,

1082
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: AT all yeah i don't even remember, what HE said really.

1083
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: I was there so tell Me About Your rex chapman

1084
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: foundation and how you got all of. That going on

1085
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: what you're trying to be as far as the, Impact,

1086
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: with that.

1087
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: YEAH you know i WENT through when i retired from playing.

1088
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: IN two thousand i had seven surgeries my last three,

1089
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: years of playing and so a DOCTOR gave me i

1090
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: had a, just a routine well, this emergency appendicitis but

1091
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: they took me. To THE hospital when, i got out

1092
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: doctor gave me a prescription for something, new CALLED oxyconton

1093
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: and i took it and for real WITHIN and again

1094
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: i wasn't a drinking. GUIDE in smoke i wasn't. A party.

1095
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: Guy you know i'd go out and have a beer from.

1096
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: Time to TIME but so i. Was thirty two they gave,

1097
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: me this medication and WITHIN two DAYS i knew i.

1098
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: WAS in LOVE i knew i was in. LOVE with

1099
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: it i had always had some social anxiety TALKING to people, i,

1100
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: didn't know depression, stuff like that and that drug it

1101
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: took away. All of that made ME feel like i

1102
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: was nicer. To other people it made ME feel like

1103
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: i was a better dad and. A better husband it

1104
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: was just it's just hard because it's. Hard to explain

1105
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: it's just kind of like all of the good thoughts

1106
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: and all the funny things they hang around and all.

1107
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: The bad ones they're just in one ear and, out

1108
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: the other and It's sort of, i've always said it's

1109
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: kind of like that it'll be, all right drug because

1110
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: that's what you think. The whole time but my life

1111
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: was getting. SHITTIER and shittier i was taking more and.

1112
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: MORE of it i was. Making Bad decisions danny ainge

1113
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: came to me about a year and, a, half, later

1114
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: said man. You messed up you've got. To go away and.

1115
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: Get SOME help so, i went again. VERY humbling experience

1116
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: i went to rehab a year and a half half,

1117
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: after you know playing, and you Know be all american

1118
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: IN college and nba player and never, been in trouble

1119
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: not a day. In MY life. So i went, AT

1120
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: that point i was taking about forty biking in a

1121
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: day and about ten oxy contin a day and just

1122
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: taking them and chewing them up, and eating them, not

1123
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: even water just trying to get them into. My SYSTEM

1124
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: faster so i got. Out of there but REALLY and

1125
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: truly i never went. Back ON oxycon but i was

1126
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: on pain medication up until like two, thousand and fourteen

1127
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: and went. BACK into rehab i, WAS able, to i

1128
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: guess take it seriously at that point and haven't had

1129
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: any pain medication in five or. Six YEARS now when,

1130
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: I got out i definitely didn't set out for this

1131
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: to be, my. FUCKING story right i remember them coming

1132
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: to me in rehab saying you're going to help a.

1133
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: Lot of, people me, saying fuck you this isn't. My, fucking,

1134
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: story yeah, well guess what it's my fucking. Story. It

1135
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: IS yeah so i just over the last, couple of

1136
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: years me and MY buddy who i do. The show

1137
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: with we, started this foundation and really it's just to.

1138
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: Help Educate people still i'll GO around and i go

1139
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: and speak some but it's to help educate people and,

1140
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: then you know get people into rehab or treatment of

1141
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: some kind, that you know twelve steps is. Not for

1142
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: everybody it's really. Not for me there's all different kinds

1143
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: of ways to try. To get clean but and ANOTHER

1144
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: thing that i think to try to, impress, upon, people

1145
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: look yeah and You, guys FROM chicago and i know

1146
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: some of both of y'all stories with, friends and family

1147
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: drug addicts get a get a bit of a bad

1148
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: rap in that people think that all of these people

1149
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: are people just out there trying, to get high seeking,

1150
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: to get high and nobody sets out to.

1151
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: Be.

1152
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: An addict nobody and it doesn't matter how the fuck.

1153
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: You got there it doesn't matter whether you know it

1154
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: was you experiment around or if it was a. Surgery

1155
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: or whatever it doesn't matter how. You got there it's

1156
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: about how you're going. To get out and that's, what

1157
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: it is is how are you going to get? Out

1158
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: Of it and i'm trying to, tell you, guys as

1159
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: athletes we we think we can do everything. ON our

1160
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: own i. TRIED to quit i. TRIED to QUIT i

1161
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: knew i was. TAKING too much i tried to, do

1162
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: IT invincible and i could. QUIT every day i just

1163
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: couldn't not start back up, in the. Morning YOU know

1164
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: so i think part of that is just trying to

1165
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: educate people and, Let, them know look this, life, Is

1166
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: hard man it's. Hard for everybody we, all have shit

1167
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: we all. HAVE our shit i. DON'T give it i

1168
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: don't care. What you say you got your stuff, Going

1169
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: ON everybody, and i, think you know trying to let, people,

1170
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: know that, hey it's okay it's okay. To fall down

1171
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: it's just, about you know you're not defined by. Your worst, moment.

1172
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: YOU can't right.

1173
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 4: I definitely salute.

1174
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: You.

1175
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 4: ON that man i.

1176
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: Had FIVE surgeries when i was. IN the league i,

1177
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: had five surgeries and damn if.

1178
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: YOU had ten i had seven my, last THREE years so.

1179
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: I probably had i probably had ten o, over MY

1180
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: career but i have had very late late. In, the

1181
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: game yeah, But that yeah so that's that's really. All

1182
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: it is and good has come. Out of it in

1183
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: the last few months with all. THIS coronavirus stuff i

1184
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: partnered my foundation, with another nonprofit and we raised a

1185
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: couple hundred thousand DOLLARS for a covid relief just just

1186
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: Through this. Silly twitter account Just through, the twitter account

1187
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: just people that you know follow the account and they

1188
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: we've given to different hot spots, In The, Country New

1189
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: york new JERSEY money for ppe food. Banks first responders

1190
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: so that's. Been really cool.

1191
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 5: Who is your five All time? Best kentucky player the

1192
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 5: top five All time, best kentucky?

1193
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: Player All, Right Kenny walker jamal mashburn's number one to.

1194
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: Mass used to go to work on my ass.

1195
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: Monster match number one, In My. Opinion kenny WALKER and

1196
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: then i gotta throw a. D On, there anthony davis

1197
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: even though you know he wasn't like he scored two

1198
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: points or something in. The championship game he was. A

1199
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: shot blocker he wasn't what. He IS now but i

1200
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: still plus they won it all when. He Was, here

1201
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: dan issel you guys Might not know danny fixed eleven could.

1202
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: Score shoot IT and then i have, a tough one

1203
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: a tough time narrowing two. POINT guards down i throw,

1204
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: myself in there but as a two, BUT point guards i.

1205
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: Got a tie and It's it's Region Rondo And john

1206
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: wall and it's hard for me to separate those two regions.

1207
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: Won a title they're. BOTH freaky good i would have

1208
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: loved to have played with wouldn't you love to? Play

1209
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 2: with both.

1210
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 5: Definitely, doing your career you matched up A.

1211
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: Lot against mike they just came out with, the last dance,

1212
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: like you know you Was playing against, mike them years,

1213
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: and you know you all know the details of how

1214
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: they was kind of explaining to doing, the last thing

1215
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: but just to hear what was going on with them

1216
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: teams that they were.

1217
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: Winning the championship what you thought? ABOUT the documentary, i

1218
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: loved IT you know i knew. Most. Of It again

1219
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: David falk with Michael's. Agent my a. Michael called me

1220
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: would have been my junior year in high school To.

1221
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: Go to carolina dean, had ASKED him And. I visited

1222
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: carolina i Grew, Up LOVING carolina So i Visited carolina

1223
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: and michael called and, THEN you know i ended Up Going,

1224
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: with david falk and Then me and. Michael ended, up

1225
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: you know the first few years his Family. Lived in

1226
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 2: charlotte they were at all. Of our, games his, dad

1227
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: his mom his brother and sister and uh so. We

1228
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: were friendly we played golf and all that bowling cards,

1229
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: those few years and so his hands are. So, FUCKING

1230
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: big guys I can't even i can't even. Impress upon

1231
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: you you guys. Played against guy You know how kawhi

1232
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: holds that? Ball right now it's Different know how nane.

1233
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 2: Holds the, ball you know it's. A different game it's.

1234
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: A different game if nine of us are going for

1235
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: a loose ball off the rim, toward the corner we're

1236
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: all going for it with two, hands, like this right

1237
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: you can go for it when it's going. Away from

1238
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: you you can go and pivot all at the same

1239
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: time and suck it back and go. The other way

1240
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: it's a. Whole different game, and you know talk about

1241
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: the little push off That He. Gave brian russell let

1242
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: me just tell you that hand that does that is like.

1243
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: A vice grip. He's got you you know how we

1244
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: all grab and pull and you're. Grabbing everybody's wrists well

1245
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: when and you can kind of get away from Most

1246
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: people when michael, would grab you because it was like

1247
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: his hand would wrap around twice. On your, ARM you

1248
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: know i told a story the other day would have

1249
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 2: been my first or second year. In the league We

1250
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: were playing chicago And me And Michael, and fred whitfield

1251
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: guy Who runs the. Hornets for him fred and a

1252
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: couple other, friends of ours we went bowling one night.

1253
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: Before a. Game michael's, up he's bowling but he's telling

1254
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: us some. Kind of story, and you know every, now

1255
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 2: and then the pin's got. To be reset, they get,

1256
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: stuck you know and you got to roll another ball

1257
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: down the lane just to. Reset the pins michael's telling.

1258
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 2: Us this story we give him the heads up that hey.

1259
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: Reset the pins, he reached over grabbed a seventeen pound

1260
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: bowling ball without, using the holes and grabbed it and

1261
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 2: flung that motherfucker back, down the, pan and yeah. Reset

1262
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 2: THE pins and, i looked like looked, at everybody like

1263
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: and they looked, at me like you didn't know he.

1264
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: COULD do, that, I said no i didn't fucking know he.

1265
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: Could do that and he just kept seventeen pound balling ball.

1266
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: Without the holes it's. A different game and then he

1267
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 2: ended up becoming a. Really good shooter is even crazier

1268
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: than me with those, Big like that but he was playing.

1269
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 2: A different, game, AND then look i don't know if

1270
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: you guys. Have been watching did you guys see Any

1271
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 2: of the They Had a carolina maryland game on from

1272
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: when they were. In high School It was glynn bias

1273
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: playing against Like playing Against Michael and James Worthy. And

1274
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: sam Perkins and then michael would have been the best

1275
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 2: four man. On that team he'd have been the best center.

1276
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 2: On that team he. Was a freshman he. Was just different.

1277
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 2: He was different, and, his, bounce look man if he

1278
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: got two feet, in the paint he's. Dunking that, thing

1279
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 2: and also you, think about this for, most of us

1280
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: we got to if we're going to go in there and,

1281
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 2: dunk on somebody we got. To cock it we got

1282
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: to COCK it because i had he jumps, and goes

1283
01:08:55,280 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 2: here and and just you know who? Can do that who?

1284
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: Can do THAT that's, why i, say all right. Think

1285
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 2: about it if there's a loose ball in the paint

1286
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: and he's, under the goal. HE dunking it q you.

1287
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: COULD do, that, I mean indeed i. Know You could but,

1288
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: i'm saying people it's. Just he's different he was. Different

1289
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 2: and ferocious i'll tell you This and then i'll let

1290
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 2: you get. Onto something else we beat them my First,

1291
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: year IN miami and i got. Like thirty nine they

1292
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: came into our building the year. They swept us they came.

1293
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 2: In our building they was out All Night. ON south

1294
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 2: beach I know because, I was, THERE.

1295
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah right I know because i was there.

1296
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: And so and so they and we had just made

1297
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 2: A Trade for tim Hardaway And, sending billy owens but

1298
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: none of those. Guys were available we were playing them

1299
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 2: the next night, With, Eight, Players Me alonzo keith, askins,

1300
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: and anyways anyway they CAME in and. I got hot i,

1301
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 2: had thirty nine and we beat them the year they

1302
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 2: went seventy. Two and Ten i've known michael for at this,

1303
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: point fifteen years, and we're. Friendly we're boys and we

1304
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 2: played them at our place, two weeks later, two weeks

1305
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: later and the ball was tossed and as the ball,

1306
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: was going up he went and got me right in

1307
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 2: the sternum with HIS elbow, AND i, went, i, went

1308
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: ah shit it's going to be. Like that tonight. And

1309
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: it was it. WAS like that i think he got

1310
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 2: thirty five and didn't play THE fourth and i got

1311
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: like thirteen on three for thirteen or. Something like that.

1312
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 4: So he shot you the bullet the jump.

1313
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: At the jump AND look when i think back. About

1314
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 2: it now he'd been thinking about that.

1315
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 4: For two weeks after.

1316
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: Watching the documentary he's been thinking about that. For two,

1317
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: weeks AND again if i, got thirty nine maybe fifteen

1318
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: Of them will when he he was, in the, vicinity

1319
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: you know he got me every. Other TIME basically but i.

1320
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: Loved the documentary. It was. Great MJ's. DIFFERENT he's different,

1321
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 2: i love him love, him To death and i'm. Proud

1322
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 2: of him you saw those interviews from when he was

1323
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: in high school and. First, in, college, yeah, no man

1324
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: right we all have kind of learned. To DO this

1325
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: when i was in in, the eighties nineties there were

1326
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 2: two or three people in the world that couldn't go

1327
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: anywhere you had to close down if they wanted, to

1328
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: go Shopping It on rodeo drive or wherever the, hell

1329
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 2: it was they'd had to shut. The Store, Down Michael,

1330
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 2: jackson Michael Jordan. MAYBE muhammad ali i mean to not

1331
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 2: only become the greatest basketball player, in the world but

1332
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 2: to be able to handle everything. Like he's done i'm, proud,

1333
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: Of him man. I'm.

1334
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 3: Really good yeah that was, our opening though, when you saw,

1335
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 3: like you said when he saw the clips of those

1336
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 3: earlier you could tell like oh man and not like because,

1337
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 3: you you know for us we just see. Perfection to

1338
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 3: go It's this zimj and it was like to see

1339
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 3: like even he had to get he had to weather that.

1340
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 3: Storm and learn, and you see you he didn't sound

1341
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 3: as confident as he does now when, it's you know

1342
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 3: it's articulate and everything like. You've seen that he had

1343
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,839
Speaker 3: to grow that and that was that. Was oye opening.

1344
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 2: IT really, was i, mean you know it's not, easy,

1345
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: for anybody no no matter if you look. Like it

1346
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 2: is it's. Not everybody is we're all nervous and we all. We're,

1347
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: all people yeah.

1348
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,759
Speaker 3: There you, GO you know i always like the ass

1349
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 3: when you got to the league and you. Got that,

1350
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 3: BAG you Know i know falk got. You the bag

1351
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 3: so when we, got the, bag you know we. All

1352
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 3: did it whether it was some. A car whatever what

1353
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 3: did you do, when, you said look you look back

1354
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 3: on it like it probably could. Have been stupid when,

1355
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 3: you did it it was the best feeling. In, The

1356
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: world okay. Yeah That guy so i'm.

1357
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 2: GLAD you asked i bought a new red FIVE Sixty

1358
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: s L mercedes BENZ and and i took off, all

1359
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: the chrome. EVEN the rent i put five spoke, rims

1360
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: on there every bit of the, chrome gold plated, trimmed, in,

1361
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: gold gold cash the cashmere little things, on the inside over,

1362
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: the cover seats. The. Sheep skin uh it was the

1363
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: Gaudiest fucking Car i've ever. I'VE ever had i was

1364
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: almost embarrassed. To, drive it oh and, A bumping system

1365
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: i mean, mounds right there and it was convertible.

1366
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 4: And a time out? Of time out did you?

1367
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: Have?

1368
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 4: The money did did you?

1369
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: Have a money?

1370
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: Had?

1371
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 4: THE money yeah i.

1372
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 2: Had THE mullet, ALTHOUGH i like i like to refer

1373
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: to it.

1374
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 4: As a, shag.

1375
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 5: What city what you ain't when?

1376
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: You bought it he Was in my charlotte right out right,

1377
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: out of college.

1378
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 4: With the shag flowing at the top down.

1379
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 3: WITH the shag, a sad shot just a sad shot

1380
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 3: of that.

1381
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 2: Chapin, chain, on, oh, yes yes yes YOU know what

1382
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 2: i had. For a while you're. Gonna like this i'm

1383
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 2: gonna send you A picture when i. Get off here

1384
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 2: remind me of. SENDING to you i had a gold plated.

1385
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 2: My tooth, front that's great. That is awesome. That IS

1386
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: awesome When I saw tyler hero got his hair done.

1387
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 2: THE other day i sent him that PICTURE of me.

1388
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: I got, me i said you? Just? Do you? Man do? You,

1389
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 2: that's awesome man.

1390
01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 3: That, is, awesome look man we definitely appreciate you for full, enough,

1391
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 3: on us man and come. And, Sit, down man rix

1392
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 3: you know you are my all. Time favorite people but

1393
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: you did it big out down, the court man legendary,

1394
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 3: status and man everything you're doing posting and you're doing

1395
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 3: with the block of charging. With, your foundation man we

1396
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 3: really super appreciate.

1397
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 2: And. Salute that man you're. DOING it big. I appreciate you,

1398
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: YOU you know i. DO the miles i don't know you,

1399
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 2: as well YET but now. I do up if you,

1400
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 2: Coach signs. It. I'M in yeah i. Appreciate you guys

1401
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: keep doing. What you're doing i'm proud of. Both of

1402
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: you LOOK like, like i said life is our. Life

1403
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 2: is weird and you know we're in. This thing Together

1404
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 2: yea Fraternity the Players tribute dot com