1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never told You from House top 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline, and today we're talking about juicing. 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Which when we've mentioned that we're talking about juicing this 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: week to co workers of ours, they've all given us 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: a look and assume that we're talking about steroids. We're not. 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Oh darn it, are you gonna roy it out? Yeah? 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: I took all of those steroids just in preparation for 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: this episode, Christian. Caroline is about to burst out of 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: her cardigan. Yeah, I know I'm wearing. I'm wearing my 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: typical everyday cardigan over my leotard. Um, I've got my 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: my barbells in the corner. But um, oh, well, well, 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: I guess we'll just talk about fruit juices and vegetables. Oh, 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: vegetable juices as well. Kale. We're going to exclusively talk 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: about kale. Yeah, Caroline, I didn't realize until I really 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: started thinking about this whole juice culture that I've kind 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: of bought into it a little bit. Okay, because one 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: of my favorite things to do, and it is probably 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: the waspyest thing that I like to do. But on 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: Saturdays when I am able to, I like to take 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: the morning yoga class and then I go over to 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: a little chop around the corner called Kale Me Crazy Friends. 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: As soon as I saw kille Me Crazy was opening, 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: I was like, that's going to be a place where 25 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: I would like to go because it's a pun and 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: there's scale involved in juice. And I get myself a 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: seven dollar juice and I know it's ridiculous. I know 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Literally kale Me kille Me Crazy. I'm paying 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: that we are seven dollars for juice, but it's delicious 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: and refreshing. It just like a little treat for myself. 31 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: And then yes, it continues, Caroline. I now drink juice 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: almost every morning because my dear fiance was gifted by 33 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: his request, a neutro bullet. And no, this episode was 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: not sponsored by neutro Bullet. But I can tell you 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: that those things are great. They're so easy to how well, now, 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: wait a second, because I have witnessed um people juicing 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: and not in the steroid way and they have the 38 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: the contraption in their kitchen and can't take them like 39 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: hours out of their day to like feed all of 40 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: this stuff into the juice machine. So is a neutro bullet. 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: Does that take your fiance person forever? Well, it takes 42 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: a fiance person not long at all, because there's a 43 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: difference between an actual juice or we're not actually like 44 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: getting the juice, extracting the juice from the veggies. It's 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: really just like a kale smoothie. A kale smoothie. Yeah, 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: and he loves it. And because we're in love, he 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: makes one large enough for the both of us. I 48 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: make the coffee. That's the worst best thing I've ever 49 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: heard for the best worst, I don't know. It's delicious. 50 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. Thank you. No, I don't. Um. 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't make my own juices. My boyfriend used to, 52 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: but I think he just like fell off the juice 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: wagon because of the prep involved. Deal breaker Derek, deal 54 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: breaker for Kristen. Kristen is breaking up with my boyfriend. 55 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: Don't worry, We're fine. Uh. No, I I do. I 56 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: love um some fresh juices. I do try to watch 57 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: the sugar Intake. There's a place in Atlanta called Ardent's 58 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: Garden that I love. Um. I do the Grand Slam 59 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: to ward off like colds and icky feelings, pseudo science. 60 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: I well, yes, exactly, and you just summed up this episode, Kristen. 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: And now for listener male, No, but there is there 62 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: is a I have an equivalent to, like call me crazy. 63 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: I don't go there, but there's this place around the 64 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: corner from my apartment that does have like incredibly expensive 65 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: juices in the glass bottle, you know. And you walk 66 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: in and you're like, am I walking into some sort 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: of like dance club. It's all everything's like very sleek 68 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: and modern and shiny. Yeah, And then the person behind 69 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: the counter is like appropriately dismissive, not too much but 70 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: just enough. And so then you shell out like half 71 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: your paycheck for a couple of juices, and by then 72 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: the placebo effect is just like pumping through your veins. 73 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this broader juicing culture that's happening, 74 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: because we talked a while back now on the podcast 75 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: about the whole concept of detoxing. Like after the holidays, 76 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: everyone makes a New Year's resolution to drink like nothing 77 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: but apple cider vinegar for two weeks or something like 78 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: that and quote unquote detox their body. Actually don't think 79 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: that's a real detox, but you know what I mean. Um, 80 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: but now there's this whole juicing thing happening, and it's 81 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: not just about the juice and about the nutrition, but 82 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: also about the status attached to it. Oh yeah, well, 83 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: I mean if I think it takes you seven dollars 84 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: to buy a kale smoothie, Christen, and the fact that 85 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: it takes me like unknown thousands of dollars to buy 86 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: one single bottle and a glass. But I will pat 87 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: my thirty year old self on the back for spending 88 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: seven dollars on that kale smoothie instead of the seven 89 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: dollars on vodka soda. Would Okay, you're sticking to the 90 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: liquid theme. I was already on cheeseburgers. I guess it 91 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: is around lunch time for us. Oh no, I still 92 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: pat myself on the back for that seven dollars will 93 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: spend on a burger. Protein. Yeah, well, protein is another 94 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: thing that we will get into in this episode. But 95 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: the whole thing about not getting protein when you're on 96 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: a juice cleanse is that stereotypically and historically it's just 97 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: been juice and so there is no protein. And I 98 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: found the culture, the origins of juice cleans and juice 99 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: fasting culture fascinating. It's not that it's hyper gendered, it's 100 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: just kind of hyper weird. And it starts in the 101 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties with an alternative health practitioner and liver cirrhosis 102 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: sufferer named Norman Walker, and he invented the cold pressed 103 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: Norwalk juicer, which the first time I read Norwalk Juicer, 104 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: I just thought of those Nordic tricks, you know, those 105 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: machines that all of our parents bought. No Um, and 106 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: he encouraged drinking raw fruit and vegetable juices for better health, 107 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: which seems like a good idea. Yeah. And it's funny though, 108 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: because he preached self transformation through vegetable juices in California. 109 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: Match Um. But as much as he was preaching this, 110 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: it's funny because you can pick out trends. Kristen. He 111 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: did not mention kale once. He still thought kale was 112 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: just a garnish shoe new Um. Also popular around this 113 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: time is gerson therapy, which was a dietary and juice 114 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: based treatment in heavy heavy air quotes for cancer and 115 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: chronic diseases. They used the same logic basically as juice cleanses. 116 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: Now that your body is full of toxins. You've got 117 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: to clean it out. Oh. But also this process involved 118 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: getting enemas of coffee castor oil and sometimes hydrogen peroxide 119 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: or ozone. But it's interesting that it was disproven back 120 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen so this is in the thirties, but by 121 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: seven people were already like, guys, guys, what are you doing? 122 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: Just have a salad like this is crazy. Well, it 123 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: was also in the nineteen forties that a natural path 124 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: named Stanley Burrows introduced the Master cleanse to quote unquote 125 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: naturally detox the body. And if Master Cleanse sounds familiar, 126 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: it's the one that Beyonce and other people have touted, 127 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: which is the lemon juice, cayenne pepper and what else 128 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: isn't it maple syrup and maple syrup. That's right, comba 129 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: that you just drink and that's really all you need. 130 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: And apparently if you drink it long enough then you'll 131 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: start to feel really euphoric. But it's just because your 132 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: body is like eating itself from the inside. Yeah no, 133 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: that's not a joke. Uh yeah, this is it's a 134 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: ten day liquid diet. But let's be honest and call 135 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: it a fast, although apparently you can do it up 136 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: to forty days, which Burrows helpfully points out is how 137 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: long Jesus fasted. But Caroline, he's the Lord and Savior. 138 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: He didn't need food. He certainly does not need koe. 139 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: But don't forget the laxatives everyone, because it's not enough 140 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: to just punish your body with imbibing nothing but lemon juice, 141 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: cayne pepper, and maple syrup. You also have to drink 142 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: laxative tea at night. And so at that point it's like, well, 143 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: why bother with the drink? Just if you're developing an 144 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: eating disporder, uh, seek help um. And it was supposed 145 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: to cure stomach ulcers, help you lose weight. Burrows thought 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: that disease, old age, and death or just the result 147 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: of having accumulated poisons and congestion throughout the entire body. 148 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: And juicing also has a criminal past, Burrows specifically does. 149 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: He was eventually convicted of practicing medicine without a license, 150 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: and people you might be happy to know his second 151 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: degree murder conviction was reduced to involuntary manslaughter. He was 152 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: convicted for treating a leukemia patient who was desperately seeking 153 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: some type of cure to live longer, and I think 154 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: stopped pursuing regular medical treatment. Obviously, that's that's up to 155 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: you if you want to do that. But you know, 156 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Burrows paid the price for it. Talk about a dark 157 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: past for the Master Cleans um, But that was no 158 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: matter to scientologist entrepreneur Peter Glickman, who in the nineties 159 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: nineties repackaged the Master cleans as the Lemonade diet. Oh 160 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: it sounds so pleasant, and I wonder if this scientology 161 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: connection is part of why juicing is so ubiquitous in 162 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: Hollywood today. Side theory um, But Glickman's purpose was exact 163 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: the same, the whole concept of eliminating toxins and poisons 164 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: from the body, washing out your digestive system, and getting 165 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: rid of addictions to drugs, alcohol, junk food, and caffeine um. 166 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: And he claimed that any uncomfortable side effects, including I'm 167 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: assuming hunger, we just meant that you were super toxic 168 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: pre clans. So you just your body flushing things out. 169 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: Of course, it's going to hurt a little bit heavy 170 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: I roll. By the nineties seventies, juicing is part of 171 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: hippie health crazes. It's not mainstream, but it's very common 172 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: to a certain subset of the population. But by the 173 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: nineties it's definitely part of that vegan and super food trend. 174 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: And hey, you get a natural high. Everything's great. Let's 175 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: do things in the nineties like where Empire waste dresses 176 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: and Doc Martin's and have our juice. The nineties is back, 177 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: it sure is. Um But if you look at any 178 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: history of this juicing trend, you always get religious citations, because, 179 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, this isn't so much a diet but 180 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: really a fast. You have Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, all of 181 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: whom fast it at some point for religious reasons. Although 182 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: of course in religious fasting spiritual fasting, depriving yourself of 183 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: food is about connecting yourself to your spirituality, to a deity, etcetera, 184 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: cultivating that devotion and self control rather than just trying 185 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: to lose weight quick or take your intestines through to 186 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: the car wash, so to speak. That is exactly what 187 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: I picture. Um well, actually, for some reason, I picture 188 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: like dish soap going through or like the pink stuff 189 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: from Ghostbusters going to your intestines. Um. But yeah, the 190 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: religious faster definitely also about atoning for greed or gluttony. 191 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: It's a form of discipline. And you get plenty of 192 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: people today who do juice fasts or the more pleasant 193 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: term juice cleanses um, but you know, saying that they're 194 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: doing it as a form of self control too, and 195 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: it's like or you know, maybe you're just trying to 196 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: um lose weight and not claim that maybe. And it's 197 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: very popular among celebrities, the Master cleans specifically, you have 198 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: people like Jared Letto, to mean more, Beyonce, whom we mentioned, 199 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: and Beyonce, for instance, famously lost twenty pounds in two 200 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: weeks for her Dream Girl's role and she attributed that 201 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: to the Master cleans. But I mean so obviously for 202 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: citing Beyonce, which we are, juice fasts and juice cleanses 203 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: are not just some underground hippie craze anymore of the sixties. 204 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: This stuff is big business, especially among a certain subset 205 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: of the population, which I'll just refer to as like 206 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: the Pilates crowd, who plates pure bar soul cycle, Kristen 207 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: leaving yoga. Yeah exactly, I am part of the crowd. 208 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: They're part of the problem, part of the juice problem um. 209 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: The l A Times in January reported that the cold 210 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: pressed juice market is estimated to rake in one hundred 211 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: million dollars a year, and no surprise there, you're charging 212 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: seven dollars a pop. And that cold pressed refers to 213 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: chopping and mashing the fruits and vegetables without heat in 214 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: order to maintain its nutrient value, just pressing it real hard, 215 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: really hard, real hard. The fancy juice industry in general 216 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: is worth more like two billion a year, so that's 217 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: taking into account all different types of juices and smoothies. 218 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: And it's also worth pointing out that there are more 219 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: in this in this country of fifty states. Uh, there 220 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: are more than six thousand juice bars or boutiques as 221 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: you might call them across the country. And it's big 222 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: business now for big corporations because you now have fast 223 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: food restaurants offering their smoothies which contain how much fruit? 224 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: Who's to say? Used to say, really, who really wants fruit? 225 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: And then you have Starbucks, which recently bought the juice 226 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: company Evolution Fresh for a cool thirty mill and Coke 227 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: has a share in Innocent Drink, So everybody's get in 228 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: on the juice cache, and you mentioned fast food restaurants, Kristen, 229 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: they're sort of like the gateway. Fast food smoothies are 230 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: sort of the gateway drug into juicing culture. It turns 231 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: out that those smoothies with who knows how much actual 232 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: nutritional value at fast food restaurants make up thirty of 233 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: the juice and smoothie bar market. Now, there have been 234 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: some dips in juice products because some people have been like, hey, wait, 235 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of sugar in these juices. Is that 236 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: so healthy? Because obviously these kinds of sweeter fruits that 237 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: are being juiced contain a lot of fructos, so you 238 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: have high sugar levels. Um. But those vegetable and veg 239 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: fruit juice blends are booming, though they are a much 240 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: smaller share of the market. Well. So, speaking of market 241 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: shares and money and percent signs my favorite three things, 242 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: let's talk about dollar signs. Because wealth is basically like 243 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: disposable income is basically a prerequisite to participate in the 244 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: juicing culture. And I'm not talking about your picking up 245 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: a seven dollar Kale drink on the way out of 246 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: yoga once a week. A little bit of shaming under 247 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: absolutely not what I'm talking about is the actual Like 248 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: you're committed to this as a lifestyle, you probably go 249 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: on many cleanses or juice fasts to sort of quote 250 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: unquote clean yourself out. But you have to have a 251 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: certain amount, like I said, of disposable income, because buying 252 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: yourself a juicer, Sure you can get one for a 253 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: hundred bucks, a couple hundred bucks, but it can run 254 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: you up to twenty five hundred dollars to get yourself 255 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: a home juicer. Yeah, and not to mention all the time, 256 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: if you're actually juicing your own stuff that it takes um. 257 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: But if you go to a store, each bottle can 258 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: cost up to ten dollars. You have entire juice programs 259 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: that we'll talk about in more detail that run you 260 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: up into the hundreds. Um. And this also reminds me 261 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: side note Caroline, of when Whole Foods became a laughing stock, 262 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: as they kind of do sometimes when they were selling 263 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: the asparagus water for I think it was five dollars 264 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: plus and some of their stores where it was just 265 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: water enriched with asparagus, wasn't it asparagus? Yeah? Just I 266 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: mean this is this is it's my favorite cocktail. I 267 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: just poured some water. It's been distilled in the mountains, 268 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: and I just stick in asparagus spear in it lish. 269 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: You can't wait to go to your next cocktail party. 270 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, we have a lot of fun, and by we, 271 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: I mean just myself and the asparagus um. But you 272 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: would think, like with how pricing this stuff is said, 273 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: it would be really off putting. Like I know that 274 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: I don't go to the Snoothy place or the the 275 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: juice place all the time because it can be pricey, 276 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: and plus it helps to drink water as well. But 277 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: this doesn't put off too many people, according to consultant 278 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Freeman, who talked to The l A Times. He 279 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: says juice drinkers are willing to pay for quality to 280 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: be in the know. We've come a long way from Tang. 281 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for the shout out to Tang. So basically, he's 282 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: he's telling us point blank that this is about being 283 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: part of a cool kids club. The whole like juicing. 284 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna run over in my yoga pants and pick 285 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: up my like week's worth of juice fast products. It's 286 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: totally part of a like kind of a popular kids, 287 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: rich kids club. Oh yeah, I mean, I do feel 288 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: like a well healed basic when I look out kill 289 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: me crazy freshly yogad. I'm glad I wasn't the only 290 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: podcaster in this room who was reminded of our our 291 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: Basic Bees episode when I was reading this stuff. Yeah. 292 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you're so right though, that they're definitely class 293 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: implications to it, because people who tend to be represented 294 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: in these juicing conversations are usually white, and specifically white 295 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: upper class women. And that's not to say that women 296 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: of color or people of color aren't juicing, obviously, that 297 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: would be a ridiculous statement. We we saw one blog 298 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: entry from Detroit, which is Detroit with the D crossed off, 299 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: and she written, every uh Shetroit blogger Kayla feels like 300 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: she has to convince people that drinking green juice is 301 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: healthy and smart. And she was saying that, you know, 302 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: I really don't encounter that many other women of color 303 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: who juice. And she's saying that she wished she could 304 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: be walking around with her jar of green juice and 305 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: like lock eyes with another woman of color who's also 306 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: carrying a smoothie around and be like, yes, this is delicious, 307 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: rather than feeling like she has to convince friends and 308 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: family that this is actually healthy and worthwhile. Yeah, and 309 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: David Lieberman, blogging over at Sea Weekly, made an interesting 310 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: observation as well that I thought about actually, at my 311 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: local farmers market, I'm so white in this episode. That's 312 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: so white. It's cool though. Um. He said that, you know, 313 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: it's ridiculous how ladies like myself will spend you know, 314 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: seven eight dollars for a single serving at call me crazy, 315 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: but if you go to your farmer's market or just 316 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: like any kind of international food store, even your international 317 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: section and your larger grocery stores, you will have these 318 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote exotic juices that are quite affordable. They're just 319 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: from international labels. I mean, that's Caroline, That's how I 320 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: get my mango juice the farmer's markets like a dollar 321 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: fifty because it's in a box and it's just a 322 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: it's not a fancy brand. Well. Lieberman also positive that 323 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,239 Speaker 1: there are people out there who wouldn't even want to 324 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: go to an international farmers market setting to buy a 325 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: similar juice to the one that they're shelling ten bucks 326 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: for exactly that they're sort of almost paying for the 327 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: experience of going to whole foods in their yoga gear 328 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: and buying that expensive juice around their other yoga taking peers. Well, 329 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: and there might be the motivation to for it to 330 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: be fresh pressed and not you know, having been pressed 331 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: and then shipped and then sitting on shell. Yeah. Sure, 332 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean, but he also talks about how he went 333 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: to like one of his local markets near his house 334 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: and the woman behind the counter was like, oh, what 335 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: do you want? Okay, cool, and she actually took the 336 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: carrots and the beats and the whatever and and blended 337 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: them right in front of him. So it does seem 338 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: like some of this juice craze has been borrowed, perhaps 339 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: from other cultures. I mean, there are Latin restaurants in Atlanta, 340 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: for instance, that are known for their juices and they've 341 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: been juicing for forever. But now we see these like specialized, 342 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: more clientele boutiques that do a similar kind of thing, 343 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: but they just check up the price. Don't worry, white people, 344 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: you don't have to go into an international market. Just 345 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: go to whole foods where you're comfortable. I mean, Caroline, 346 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: call me crazy, just simply convenient to where I take yoga, 347 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: I promise. Um. But what's also interesting to see are 348 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: these theories about how part of the success of juice 349 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: saying today is all attributed to our busy lives, like 350 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: we literally don't have time to eat, so just drink 351 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: it down on the go. Yeah, it's so funny. So 352 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: I have the full disclosure here. Um. I know a 353 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: woman who was quoted in the l A Times article 354 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: from January. Her name's Alexis Schultz, and she co founded 355 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: the juice chain Nectar, which is based out of California, 356 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: but it's also in Arizona in Texas. Uh. Alexis says 357 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: that it's accessible for people who try to get their 358 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables in but who say I just don't 359 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: have time to sit down and eat a salad. And 360 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: to me, that just sounds like the people who say 361 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: they don't like the taste of water. You know. It's like, 362 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: what really are we that? Are we that busy? I mean, 363 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: but this is a sentiment you see echoed and lots 364 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: of articles about juicing that like, uh, New York is 365 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: so fast paced, we can't slow down. We have to 366 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: be skinny and drinking juice on the run. It fits 367 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: in with our culture. But here in Atlanta, you can 368 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: sit down and eat yourself a whole apple, if you like, 369 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: maybe even a banana of appealing. That's crazy. And there's 370 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: a whole argument too of juicing as a quick fix 371 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: for feeling tired and run down. But again that's all 372 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: part of this whole We're so busy we can't even 373 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: prepare food, so we're busy, we're tired, we're juicing. It 374 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: sounds like we're just kind of on a treadmill, so 375 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: to speak. Well, we could just be tired of those 376 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: previous fake fixes, you know, Like I know that my 377 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: parents in the Indies, the entire kitchen was stocked with 378 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: snack wells. When I was a kid, Caroline, I would 379 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: see those snack wells and I saw the commercials, and 380 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: I knew that they were low fat to fat free, 381 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: and I was way too conscious about that stuff. When 382 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: I was a kid. When I would go grocery shopping 383 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: with my mom, I would beg her to buy snack wells. 384 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: She would be like, that is ridiculous, will make you 385 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: a cookie? And then the poop chips, Yeah, wild chips. 386 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: I also was really excited about those, like I was like, 387 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: finally fat free chips. And again my mom stuff. My 388 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: mom did tell me, no, I'm not buying you those, 389 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: they'll makey poop. Well, now, it's just funny because like 390 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: in my house, my dad had a heart attack when 391 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: I was in fifth grade, and so all of a sudden, 392 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: like everything in the house had to be fat free, 393 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: which is so funny to think about, because like, I 394 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: don't want to tell you how to live your life, people, 395 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: but you know, the focus maybe should be on more 396 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: like whole foods and fruits and vegetables whole. It's not 397 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: the grocery store. I mean, like literally, who whole? I 398 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: think that's just some sneaky marketing. Caroline, get it. Things 399 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: that are full of nutrients, not just replacing cookies with 400 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: other cookies. So in a way, then you could argue that, 401 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: you know, at least this trend is better than a 402 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: snack Whells cookie. Well, I think yeah, And I think 403 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: if you're smart about it, it can be. If you're 404 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: just drinking like apple and pear juice, No, because who 405 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: was it in one source when you're reading about it, 406 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: was like you might as well just call it the 407 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: tobler and diet. If you're just drinking juice like sugar 408 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: late and juice all the time. If you're smart about it, 409 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: and you're drinking something as a supplement, maybe maybe maybe 410 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: a kale kaleful juice that your fiance makes in the morning, 411 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 1: Maybe a kaleful juice, maybe something with with protein in it, 412 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: so that you're not starving to death and lashing out 413 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: at your co workers. I mean, I don't do that. 414 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about not eating. But there 415 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: are plenty of celebrities who advocate the more extreme stuff, 416 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: the actual cleanses and fast as opposed to just like 417 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: picking yourself up a healthy juice to supplement a breakfast 418 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: or something. And the variety of these different kinds of 419 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: juicing programs seem to all involve very similar kinds of 420 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: juices kind of goes to show just how big this 421 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: industry has gotten. I mean, way back when Oprah did 422 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: the twenty one day Cleanse, But now you have people 423 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: like one of Paltrow and Alicia's Silverstone who are all 424 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: about something called organic avenue, while Mariska Harga Day is 425 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: all about the clean program. And then finally Salmahiak helps 426 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: start Cooler cleanse, and it's all the same kind of thing. 427 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: Where you buy these almost juice packs for your day 428 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: or week where you have like X number of juices 429 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: that you drink throughout the day and in a lot 430 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: of ways that replaces food. Yeah, and there's another one 431 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: called Blueprint Cleans, which is one that Sarah Jessica Parker 432 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: does that also involves getting Colon X, which reminded me 433 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: of the Master Cleans, which like, oh yeah, just drink 434 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: this this lemon water, but also take your laxative ladies. Uh. 435 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: Blueprint Cleans scares me a little because they made a 436 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: shady like, kind of not quite direct claim that quote 437 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: clients who have more serious cases or are using Blueprint 438 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: Cleans and cancer therapy have continued on a cleanse indefinitely 439 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: until they are healed. And so that gives me all 440 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: of the gross field that they are potentially trying to 441 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: paint juice drinkers as being literally healed of their diseases 442 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: by juice um. BPCS founders sold this company in for 443 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars. This is huge business. But this 444 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 1: is also the same regiment that Judith Newman followed for 445 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: her hilarious New York Times piece in October. She says, 446 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: a month ago I went on a juice cleanse. You 447 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: know what It cleans out of you, the will to live, 448 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: because these things you're not you're not eating, like you said, 449 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: You're getting these packs of juice for however many days 450 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: or a week or whatever, and you're just supposed to 451 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: kind of deal with feeling awful until you hit that 452 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: like hungry euphoria. Yeah, and having gone through that cleans 453 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: Newman's theory is that juices are popular because it's convenient 454 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: and comforting in a way in addition to being chic 455 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: and on trend. So again, it is a status symbol. 456 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: And yeah, she's also specifically referring to these programs where 457 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: you have it shippy or you pick it up or whatever. 458 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: Hence the convenience not buying yourself a neutral bullet or 459 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: a Norwalk juicer and juicing everything yourself at home. Yeah. 460 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: And I think it's pretty clear by this point that 461 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: we are skeptics of not just the essence of juicing. 462 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: There's something wrong with having juice, but this idea that 463 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: juicing can truly detoxify your body, and it's something that 464 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: we really need to have to make sure that we're 465 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: ship shape inside and out and We're going to talk 466 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: about the science of that when we come it right 467 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: back from a quick break. Okay, so you you sort 468 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: of picked up on how Kristen and I feel about 469 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: juice clean's culture. Um, I'm a part of it, yes, lightly, 470 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: as we've established Christen Well, I am too. I'm on 471 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: the margins on thes. But you're okay, here's the thing 472 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: that you are not giving up your entire diet, Like 473 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: you're not stopping eating and just drinking lemon water. No. No, 474 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: it's something that I will have in the morning as 475 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: part of breakfast or after I buy come from work 476 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: or go on a run to recharge me. Yeah. No, 477 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: And I like, I like a good healthy juice with 478 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: like a granola bar or something as a breakfast, the 479 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: breakfast option, the good breakfast option. But in terms of 480 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: those juice cleanses that are so all the rage among celebrities, 481 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: female celebrities, you don't hear about too many men doing 482 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: juice cleanses. Uh. Most health professionals you hear from will 483 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: at best say they are a waste of time. Uh. 484 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: Michael Gershon, who is a pathology and cell biology professor 485 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: at Columbia University, told New Republic that cleanses and their 486 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: partners in crime. Colonics are about a valid a like 487 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: life method as self flagellation by monks who would be 488 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: trying to avoid the plague. Like, if I just punish 489 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: myself enough, I won't die of the plague. Tell us 490 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 1: how you really feel, Gershon, Although I mean that is 491 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: the tone of most doctors and scientists, like when they're 492 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: asked about juice, it's kind of like, oh no, no, 493 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: please no, because the thing that juice leaves out that 494 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: you talked about earlier in the podcast Caroline, is the 495 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: fact that we need protein to fill us up and 496 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: maintain our metabolism. So doctor and documentarian Michael Mosley said, quote, 497 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: unless you have adequate amounts of it it being protein, 498 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: within twenty four hours, your body starts to cannibalize itself 499 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: and get protein from your muscles. Obviously, your juice diet 500 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: has zero protein, so you might lose a little bit 501 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: of fat, but you're also going to start losing muscle, 502 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: and if you lose your muscle, then your metabolic rate 503 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: is going to go down. So that doesn't really seem 504 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: like it's going to pay off in the long run. 505 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: You're sort of shooting yourself in the foot. But I mean, 506 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: how is that different than from any of the like 507 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: diets from the nineties that we now know are unhealthy 508 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: things that involve crash dieting and losing a bunch of 509 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: weight all at once, only to gain it all back. 510 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: It's it's all deprivation in the name of trying to 511 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: be healthy, but really trying to lose weight. And is 512 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: it any better for us? Is drinking juice, whether it's 513 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: vegetable juice, fruit juice, and so the two. Is it 514 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: any better than just having a salad? Like, yes, you 515 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: get several pounds of the fruits and vegetables in your smoothie, 516 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: but is it any better? Does it help us actually 517 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: absorb whatever nutrients and minerals and vitamins are in the food? 518 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: Anat better? It's something that Lisassessment, who's the author of 519 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: the Cold Press Juice Bible, says the jury is still 520 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: out on She's like, who knows if it's easier to 521 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: get nutrients in liquid form, you know, or if there's 522 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: any advantage in giving your digestive system a break from 523 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: working on fiber. And of course other health professionals are like, no, no, 524 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as giving your body a break 525 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: from fiber. Don't be ridiculous. Who was this jury who's 526 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: still out? Yeah. Dana Hunts, who's a senior dietitian at 527 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: the Ronald Reagan u c l A Medical Center, said that, Yeah, 528 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: it's healthier to eat food and get that fiber and 529 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: other things like it's good for your body to to 530 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: choose some food and have to break down some cellulose 531 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: and other fun things as you digest. Yeah, and plus 532 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: you need as robber letst dig the author of Fat Chance, 533 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: The Hidden Truth about Sugar Abcity and Disease, said it's 534 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: good to have both soluble and insoluble fiber when they're 535 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: eaten together. These two types work together to slow that 536 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: absorption of sugar, so you're not getting like a total 537 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: gut punch of fruit sugar all at once. And because 538 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: it's important to keep in mind people that one sixteen 539 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: ounce bottle of juice can run you like two hundred calories. 540 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: So you're getting this big hit of sugar, you're getting 541 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 1: a bunch of acid that could wear down the enamel 542 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: of your teeth. And if you're thinking that, you're just 543 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: like going to drink juice instead of coke and that 544 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be better for you. Well, that's still 545 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: like a huge hit of calorie. So if you are 546 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: trying to diet, you're not exactly cutting back by drinking juice. 547 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: But if you are exclusively drinking juice, if you are 548 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: eliminating food from your diet and sebbing it with juice 549 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: then and going on a so called cleanse, yeah you might. 550 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: You might drop some pounds, but you're also really going 551 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: to stress out your body, especially if you have conditions 552 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: like diabetes, heart or kidney disease or digestive issues, because 553 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: this tinkers with your electrolyte and blood sugar balance. Is 554 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: going to get that all out of whack, and you 555 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: can experience vitamin and mineral deficiencies and muscle breakdowns, and 556 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: not to mention, your body can go into starvation mode. 557 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: Oh and even if you do lose a bunch of 558 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: weight from your juice clan slash not eating, you're gonna 559 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: gain it right back as soon as you introduce solid foods. Yeah, 560 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: and there's something, Uh, there's this issue of ketosis that 561 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: comes up a lot when you read about diets like this. 562 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: I've read about it in trying to study Hashimoto's disease, 563 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: which I have. UM. But so you know that euphoric 564 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: feeling that people on juice fasts tend to report, like, 565 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: oh my god, I got today four and I'm seeing angels. 566 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Well, it could be a placebo factor, just 567 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: plane run of the mill hallucination um or it could 568 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: actually be your body going into survival mode if you're 569 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: not getting enough calories and carbohydrates. So basically your body 570 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: creates these things called ketones as it burns fat rather 571 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: than carbohydrates for energy. Too much of this can lead 572 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: to dehydration. Not a big deal, I'll just drink some water. Well, 573 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: it can also alter the chemical balance of your blood 574 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: and even lead to a coma. And this is a 575 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: normal yes, ketos, this is part of a normal body process. 576 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: But it can really screw you up if you're diabetic. 577 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: This is not something you just want to embark on 578 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: by yourself without consulting a doctor, especially if you have 579 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: some of those pre existing health conditions that Kristen mentioned. 580 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: And you often hear this idea of letting your insides 581 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: rest and it's good to drink exclusively juice because you 582 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: need to give your large intestine a break. But that's 583 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: not a thing the idea of gut rest because your 584 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: body functions better with a consistent stream of nutrient and 585 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: fiber rich foods, so depriving it can actually make the 586 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: colon's nerves and muscles stop functioning, and that could lead 587 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: to something called irreversible constipation. She's awful. I mean, how 588 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: does celebrities do it, Caroline? Oh? Yeah, they also have 589 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: like trainers and dietitians and yeah they have a staff. 590 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: They have a staff on people. Why can't we have staff? 591 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: I ask myself that every day. Um. But the whole 592 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: thing about experiencing these colon problems when you're on a 593 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: juice fast is that it can also these are also 594 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: problems that people with eating disorders see, things like anorexia, 595 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: and that is a big issue when you get down 596 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty of talking about juice cleanses and 597 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: juice fast because embarking on this sort of disciplined deprivation 598 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: regimen can really stress your relationship with food. It can 599 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: foster or further a disordered relationship with food, and this 600 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: is something that Linda Antinora, a nutrition specialist, at Brigham 601 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: and Women's Hospital in Boston pointed out. She says, there's 602 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: certainly commonalities if we consider who is likely to develop 603 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: an eating disorder and who is likely to undergo a cleanse. 604 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: The diets seemed compulsive and perhaps addictive. The restrictive tone 605 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: is the same, and she goes on to say that 606 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: it worries her how juicers might quote unquote get hooked 607 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: on that immediate gratification of weight loss, because you, I mean, 608 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: you do kind of see those not insta results, but 609 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks results sure, and suddenly you 610 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: can fit into those clothes that you wanted to um. 611 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: And Polling Powers, who's the head of the Scientific Advisory 612 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: Committee for the Global Foundation for Eating Disorders, has even 613 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: stronger words for juice cleansing, calling it quote the perfect 614 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: pathway too disordered eating because think about it, you're being 615 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: so disciplined, You're being exhibiting so much willpower and self control. 616 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: Not so differently from people in ancient cultures who would 617 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: fast for religious purposes, but these eating disorder experts, we're 618 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: talking about this sense of superiority that comes from controlling 619 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: your diet in this way that it almost becomes a 620 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: part of your identity, whether it's regular cleansing or actual 621 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: eating disorders. That makes this whole culture hard to escape. 622 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: But the thing is people don't approve of anorexia on 623 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: a social level. Cleansing, juice cleansing, and juice fast are 624 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: so socially acceptable. Yeah, I mean you're almost rewarded for it. Yeah. 625 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: Oh I did the Master cleanse. How did you do it? 626 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Look at all the weight you lost. Good 627 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: for you? Oh wait, I was only subsisting on lemon 628 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: juice for twenty one days? Yeah? Or how is it 629 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: twenty one days? Ten days? Up? And writing about this 630 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: over at the Cut, Vanessa Grigoriata said, food is a 631 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: focus of an enormous amount of modern moralism, and it's 632 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: it gets to all of the stuff that we're talking about, 633 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: where we have equated health and thinness and we rewarded, 634 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: and especially when you have that self control element added 635 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: to it, where it's like I go to my soul 636 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: cycle class and then I juice and then I'm not 637 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: doing much beyond that to supplement my body. And there's 638 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: nothing wrong in its essence with consuming a juice, going 639 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: to a fitness class, whatever it might be trying to 640 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: have a healthy lifestyle. But I do think that we, 641 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: you know, can get ourselves into a very disordered relationship 642 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 1: if we're not careful with how we're monitoring our bodies. Yeah, 643 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: And she also pointed out that it has a lot 644 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: to do the idea of like washing out our insides 645 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: with like pink sludge. She says that that ties into 646 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: this very American idea of hygiene. You know, we spend 647 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: more money than anybody else on soaps and antibacterial products 648 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: and things like that, and this idea of like I'm 649 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: going to be healthy because I'm going to be thin, 650 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: and because I'm thin, that makes me good and self 651 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: control and clean. I'm going to be so clean on 652 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: the inside, never mind the fact that your body is 653 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: covered in bajillions of bacteria just naturally. And it reminds 654 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: me of Judith Newman calling juice cleansing comforting, because the 655 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: way I've heard it talked about anecdotally among girlfriends of 656 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: mine is it always comes on the heels of some 657 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: kind of bender, whether it's been the holidays and you've 658 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: eaten too much, everyone's having a party, so afterwards you 659 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: just need to clean out your body or someone who's 660 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: just been you've just you've just been eating and drinking 661 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: too much and consuming a lot of booze, even perhaps 662 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 1: consuming a lot of drugs. Well, what is the solution, 663 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: What is the way for you to feel good about 664 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: yourself again? Exercise that will power and go on a 665 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: cleanse and flush out those toxins. Which that it's not 666 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: actually what happens, that's not how that works. That's one 667 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: of the I guess bones that health professionals have to 668 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: pick with this whole cleansed culture. It's this idea of 669 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: quote unquote toxins. It's the same thing that we've seen 670 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: forever in our culture of of like snake oil salesman 671 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: trying to convince you of how unhealthy your lifestyle is 672 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: and how you need their product. And it's funny too, 673 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: because you see the language that so many people who 674 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: are trying to sell you juices and juicers. So much 675 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 1: of the language that they use is like, watch out 676 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: what people are trying to sell you. If somebody's just 677 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: trying to make money off of you, pay attention to 678 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: what it is. You know, blah blah blah, And it's like, well, yeah, 679 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: you're doing that too, because you've got people like the 680 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: food babe who's trying to sell She's a total nut job. 681 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: She's trying to sell you meal, plants and supplements, but 682 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: she's also trying to convince you that like the same 683 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: stuff that's in your yoga mats in your bread. And 684 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: it's like, lady, there's more to it than that. She 685 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there who are just 686 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: spouting all of this pseudoscience to scare you into buying products. 687 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: And part of that is talking about toxins. Yeah, because 688 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: these cleanses will tout its ability to flush toxins as 689 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: if your body is a giant toilet um and help 690 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: the liver rest and also hit the reset button on diseases, 691 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: skin conditions, for molombalances, brain fog, et cetera. And while yes, 692 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: eating better and like paying attention to how you're treating 693 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: your body can certainly make you feel better and improve 694 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: health conditions and your skin and things like that, but 695 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: it's worth remembering that these juices also are likely to 696 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: contain pesticides from non organic produce, and your body also 697 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: creates its own so called toxins. Yeah, this is coming 698 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: from dietitian Tamera duk Er Freeman at US News and 699 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: World Report. She talks about how the metabolic byproducts of 700 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: foods we eat, like nitro, say means from processed meat, preservatives, 701 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: or ammonia from protein are floating around in your inside. 702 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: They just happen. It's it's part of the metabolic process 703 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: that certain byproducts are created. But you have an entire 704 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: cleanup crew built into you to deal with these byproducts 705 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: and turn them into safe things that can then be excreted. 706 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,919 Speaker 1: You mean we do have our own staff. We we do. 707 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: I like to picture like the janitor from the Simpsons 708 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 1: with the mustache and like the broom and that's your kidneys. 709 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: The weekend again can help the broom get ready. And 710 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: if you want to be smart, and you do want 711 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: to quote unquote detox, I'm using that again with heavy 712 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: air quotes. What helps is not juice, but fiber to 713 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: clear out all that waste from the byproducts of the 714 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 1: stuff you put in your body. Eat things like broccoli, cabbage, 715 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: and cauliflower. These vegetables keep your liver swimming in a 716 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: quote megapotent detoxifer called glutathione, and also just keeping your 717 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: blood sugar levels low can do a solid for your kidney. Janitors, 718 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: And if there's any kind of self control, we need 719 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: to be exerting over our diets. If you really want 720 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: to cleanse yourself, it's cutting back on things like alcohol, caffeine, 721 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: excess sugar, unhealthy fats, processed foods, I know, all the 722 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: things that make you know life really fun and delicious 723 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: and intoxicating. Literally, yeah, just drink lots of water, get 724 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: lots of sleep, eat a balance diet with plenty of 725 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: fresh fruits and vegetables, whole grants, and healthy fats. I 726 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: love a good avocado. Christy Tigan and I have that 727 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: in common, if if nothing else. Um, And it's true 728 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: that certain conditions can stress your liver. Obviously, we've talked 729 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: about booze a couple of times. Alcoholism, obesity, and certain 730 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: medications can really put a strain on your body. As 731 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: janitors on your little cleanup crew in there. And yes, 732 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: that is when you should go to a doctor, get 733 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: your liver enzymes, test it, and work on improving your 734 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: overall health. A juice cleanse is not the way to go, 735 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: depriving yourself of vitamins and minerals. Just so that you 736 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: can be like real angry to the people around you. 737 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: Is not the solution. But if you do consume a 738 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: juice as a supplement as a way to kind of 739 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 1: kick start getting more fruits and veggies and nutrients into 740 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: your diet, and that's okay, but it needs to be 741 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: obviously more of a holistic approach rather than just a 742 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: crash diet, because I mean it's wild though, considering how 743 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: long we've been sold the same crash diet, going all 744 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: the way back to Norman Walker and god Standley Burrows, 745 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: he of the involuntary manslaughter charge. Yikes. Yeah, I mean 746 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,800 Speaker 1: I think that using it as a supplement, like you said, 747 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: especially if you're doing it at home with fruits and 748 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 1: vegetables that you know where they came from and you've 749 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 1: had control over what's going into your body, I mean, 750 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: I think that's that's great. That's that's healthy, And especially 751 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: if you're doing nothing but eating like pretzels or cheetahs 752 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: all day long, Yeah, juice could probably do you some good. 753 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean, fiance dumps pretzels and bacon into our morning, 754 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: it's fine, just a little chunky, it's delicious. I am 755 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: completely kidding, but I'm really curious to know if there 756 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: are any listeners a who are hooked on juices, and 757 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,799 Speaker 1: there will be no juice judgment because I am among you, um, 758 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: but also if there's anyone listening who works at a 759 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: juice place. I just want to know firsthand your juice 760 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: culture observations. But you see an over here, so many 761 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,399 Speaker 1: just very millennial conversations for lack of better term, right, 762 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Lulu Lemon in your store always. Yeah, 763 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. That's not the picture of the juicer I 764 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: have in my head. I owe you thinking. I have 765 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 1: a picture in my head of someone who is white, female, like, 766 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,760 Speaker 1: upper middle class, lots of disposable income, probably middle aged. 767 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: Oh the middle introducer. Well, we need to know. Write 768 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: us your letters mom Stuff at house stuff works dot 769 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 1: com is our email address, or you can simply tweet 770 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: us at mom Stuff podcast or messages on Facebook. And 771 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: we've got a couple of messages to share with you 772 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 1: right now. So I've got a Facebook message here from 773 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: Julia writing about our maternity fashion episode, and she writes, Hello, 774 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: Ce and C. I've loved the podcast for a few 775 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: years now, your honorary friends to me, I really was 776 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: looking forward to the maternity Fashion episode, but was a 777 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: little disappointed that no mention was made of trans and 778 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: gender queer folk. There are a few companies that are 779 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,399 Speaker 1: starting to serve the needs of communities that don't fit 780 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: the stereotypical female presenting group, and I think it's very noteworthy. 781 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: Butch Baby has been making a couple of headlines, and 782 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: individual tailors and clothing lines are popping up here and 783 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: there on Cafe Press. I'm a femistist myself, but couple 784 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: of trans men and gender queer friends recently got pregnant, 785 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: and as you said in the podcast, identity is really 786 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: important during this time, especially so for people whose identity 787 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: falls outside of social assumptions. For them, Flowey blouses and 788 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: dresses not only clash with their style, but display and 789 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: identity that they may have been trying to distance themselves 790 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: from for years. Anyway, I just really thought this part 791 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,240 Speaker 1: of the maternity Where, or more broadly, pregnancy where, deserves 792 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: some attention and hopefully the diversity of styles continues to grow. 793 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: So thanks Julia for that insight, and I have a 794 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: letter here from Evelyn. She says, I just wanted to 795 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: write in and relate how the choice of maternity where 796 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,360 Speaker 1: for me has actually become something that is deep in 797 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: my bomb with my own mother and my grandmother as well. 798 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: Since I grew to my adult height, I've stayed roughly 799 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: the same size as my mom. The major difference has 800 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: always been our bellies. She simply carried a bit more 801 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: weight around the middle after having three kids, or at 802 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: least that's what she always told me. I had the 803 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,839 Speaker 1: larger hips, so our strategies for dressing our bodies has 804 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: always had some small differences, despite both being on the 805 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: petite side. My maternal grandmother is also about the same size, 806 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: although she's an intro to shorter. This began to change 807 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: once I began showing, when I started to feel a 808 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: real need from eternity, where my mother's maternal instincts to 809 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: dress her daughter kicked in as they have not done 810 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: since my adolescence, because this was one thing she knew 811 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: how to dress comfortably and elegantly around a belly. It 812 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,439 Speaker 1: began with loans of flowy shirts and dresses, of which 813 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: my mother owns plenty. She opened her closet to me 814 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: and allowed me to pick whatever appealed to me. This 815 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: was not as difficult as one, but thinks since my 816 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: mother remains in her early sixties or rather trendy woman. 817 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: When my grandmother realized I'd begin accepting my mother's clothing, 818 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: she didn't want to be left out either. Alas the 819 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: generation fashion gap was a little too wide to cross, 820 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,319 Speaker 1: and I didn't end up observing as many pieces of 821 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: clothing from her. But Grandma had another trick up her sleeve, 822 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: her prowess as a seamstress. She was never a professional, 823 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: but a mix of gender expectations in her generation and 824 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: her own handiness with a needleman. She always altered her 825 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: own clothing and that of her children, so she began 826 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 1: altering items of clothing for me to make the more 827 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 1: ample and more forgiving. Between loans and gifts from my 828 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: mother and my grandmother, I definitely ended up saving a 829 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: lot of money. Finally, when it reached the point where 830 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: I just needed some pants and tights with more comfortable wastebands, 831 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: I went to my first maternity shop with my mother, 832 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: and she ended up buying as much as I did. 833 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: She said the mix of comfort and style were rarely 834 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: so well combined. I think what I've learned from this 835 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: whole experience is that women's clothing before and after pregnancy 836 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: is typically very unkind to women's bodies. Although it is 837 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: your very informative podcast recounted maternity, where was sometimes created 838 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: to hide the unseemliness of pregnancy, it's also a very 839 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 1: special genre of clothing that begins with the idea of 840 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: accommodating the eerconomic needs of a woman's body before pregnancy. 841 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I had learned to be kind to 842 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,400 Speaker 1: my own body in the way that my mother had 843 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: learned to be kind to hers, and choosing a comfortable 844 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: wardrobe that still reflected her personality. I still didn't agree 845 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: with my mother on everything, including my sense of fashion, 846 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: but I feel much closer to her in a new way, 847 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: which is definitely an unexpected side effective maternity in many 848 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: senses of the word. So thanks Evelyn, and thanks to 849 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: everybody who's written. End to us mom stuff at how 850 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: stuff Works dot Com is our email address and for 851 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: links all of our social media as well as all 852 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: of our blogs, videos and podcasts, including this one. So 853 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: you can read more about the science or pseudo science 854 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,840 Speaker 1: of juicing, head on over to Stuff Mom Never Told 855 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: You dot com for more on this and thousands of 856 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: other topics. Is it how stuff works? Dot com