1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: I think they're playing the best of any team right now. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: I like having veteran guys back there. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Who've been through the wars. 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 3: Hey, we've got Ruben and Marjor in your former GM, 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 3: and of course the star of the Phillies show. But 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 3: we'll get to the Phillies in a moment. Ruben, great 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 3: to see you. The Yeah there it is. Oh the 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: shirts look good. We'll get to that. Give me two 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: minutes on pe Crow Armstrong first. I don't know how 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: much you caught of our conversation, but what would you 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 3: do if you're running the Cubs right now and you're 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 3: having a conversation with him and you'd like to try 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: and get this done and not make it lingered because 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: you also don't want it to get in his head. 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: He's doing special things for you right now. 16 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: Well, I think the most important thing for me is 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: to try to get it done quietly. 18 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: I love doing deals quietly. 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't like to have, you know, have the media, 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: or have the public have any say once whatsoever. I 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: try to keep it as private as possible. And I 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: also got to get in this guy's head a little bit. 23 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: I should know him, uh from if I I'm doing 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: my job properly. 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: I should know this kid. I should know his makeup. 26 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: Is he a winner? Is he a gamer? 27 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Is he going to bring more to the table to 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: me than just being a really really good player. I 29 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: think when you're starting to commit these kind of years, 30 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: it's not the dollars as much as it is the years. 31 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: And it's probably gonna take somewhere between, you know. 32 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: Seven and ten years to lock some of these younger 33 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: guys up at a reasonable price. You have to know 34 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: the makeup of the player. Can he give me something 35 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: more than just being a great player? Can he at 36 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: some point be a great leader? 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: Can he? 38 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 4: Is he? 39 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: Is he a championship type player? There's so many different 40 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: factors that are associated with it. And if he is 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: that guy, then hey make him run at it. Try 42 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: to do it quietly, try to do it in a 43 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: professional manner and. 44 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: See where it goes. 45 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: But try not to let it linger too much, because 46 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: I think that's what's happened. What happened to you know, 47 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: guys like Mookie Betts with the Boston Red Sox, and 48 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: I know that you know they tried their their butts 49 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: off to try to get him done for many years. 50 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: It lingered, it didn't get done and it became an 51 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: issue later on and they ended up having to move them, 52 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: which was. 53 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: Not such a great idea in my opinion. I guess 54 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: it was necessary. 55 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 5: All right, two part question. I'll give you the first 56 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 5: part so you can answer it second and you can 57 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 5: think about it. I need an answer for I need 58 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 5: a number for what you think PA should get or 59 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: what you think is area would be. But also, before 60 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 5: you say that, how hard is it to actually keep 61 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 5: it quiet because some orgs they just can't shut up, 62 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 5: you hear everything. 63 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: Well, it's because you have to have the people around 64 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: you not trying to get jobs in other organizations. I mean, 65 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: I think what happens is some of the underlings, you know, 66 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: they they want to build relationships with the media and 67 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: they want to get love from them. And I think 68 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: the most important thing is that you have people that 69 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: are working around you, and you have your concentric circles 70 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: around you that that you can trust are not going 71 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: to open their mouths. 72 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: We you know, we were fortunate to be able to 73 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: do that. 74 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: With Cliff Lee the second time when we brought them back, 75 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: and we wouldn't have signed them otherwise because we wouldn't 76 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: have been able to compete with the New York Yankees 77 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: at that time as far as the dollars and cents 78 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: were concerned. 79 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: So we had a submarine and we did so. 80 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: We were fortunate to be able to get it done 81 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: because so few people knew about it and we trusted 82 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: the people to keep it quiet. 83 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: But as far as the numbers. 84 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: Are concerned, I mean, I mean, you're talking about well 85 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: over one hundred million dollars if you're going to try 86 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: to lock them up for a long period of time, 87 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: and you try to get you know, within those parameters, 88 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: you want to try to get some. 89 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: Flexibility for your organization. What do I mean? Can you 90 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: get a couple of club options out of the deal? 91 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: Guarantee him the big money, whether it's between one hundred 92 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: and fifty and two hundred million dollars, but also give 93 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: yourself a chance at the back end two or three 94 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: club options so that hey, if this guy's really good 95 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: and he is worth it, that you can pick up 96 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: those options, and if he's not, you can let him go. 97 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: And I think that that's you know, that is something 98 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: that is important if I am running the organization, to 99 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: be able to give yourself some flexibility. Yes, it gives 100 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: you some. 101 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: Cost certainty, especially for players who are really special, but 102 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: it also can give you a little bit of flexibility 103 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: when you're trying to make decisions later on. 104 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, if your guys are talking, ribbon out, 105 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 6: they should be out. You shouldn't have to worry about 106 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 6: that as a GM or anybody. I'm sorry, but if 107 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 6: your people are talking and they're letting stuff get out, 108 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 6: I know that's how it works. But at the same time, 109 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 6: you know, if you can't keep it quiet, you shouldn't 110 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 6: be there. Now your Phillies, you have the Phillies show. 111 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 6: Are they the best team in baseball right now? I 112 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 6: mean they're beating the teams they should, and they are 113 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 6: pounding teams and they're playing really well. Are they the 114 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 6: best team going right now? 115 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: I think they're playing the best of any team right now. 116 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: They're playing well enough to be considered the best team. 117 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're the best team, but they're 118 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: pretty damn close. There's no teams without flaws, it just 119 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Yes, is there a question about their bullpen 120 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: and how locked down it can be, But who really 121 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: has a lockdown bullpen? 122 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: Across the board. 123 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: There's not many teams who can can say, you know what, 124 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: if I get a lead in the sixth inning and 125 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: I have to cover three innings, I. 126 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: Can lock it down with a one run lead. 127 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: There's not very many teams in baseball that can do that, 128 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: and so they are not that team. 129 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: But they did it yesterday against the Atlanta Braves. 130 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: And I know the Brave aren't swinging the bats like 131 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: they typically have or have had done in the past, 132 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: but they did lock it down and so you've got 133 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: to give him some love for that. I think Bremando's 134 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: coming along. I think you're seeing Kirk Ring grow up 135 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. And Matt Strom actually had the best 136 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: fastball I've seen him have since the beginning of the season. 137 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: That's huge for them, even though. 138 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: They've lost Alvarado, who's been outstanding and that was a 139 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: big blow for them. But I'm sure Dave Dombrowski's trying 140 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: to get as much depth as he possibly can in 141 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: that back end, and. 142 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: It's something to address. 143 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: But I think as far as the overall team is concerned, AJ, 144 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: I think the thing is, I love. 145 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: Their starting pitching. 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But 176 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 5: you know, as well as anybody a position player's front 177 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 5: office coaches are like, we don't have a. 178 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 4: Lot of We don't have just people down there to 179 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 4: step up as closers. 180 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, coaches don't fall out of trees. You 181 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: know that Cratzy as well as anybody. I mean, there's 182 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: not that many. There's no Mariano Riverez out there. There 183 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: are very few. 184 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, a couple of guys are having some great 185 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: years right now and closing some games. But can they 186 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: do it year after year after year? And can they 187 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: do it in the tight meaning can they do it 188 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: in September, October and into November if they have to? 189 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: And so that's the question. There aren't very many of 190 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: those guys. I do like the way Romano has bounced back. 191 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: He had a. 192 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: Terrible start to the season. But you know, I judge 193 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,239 Speaker 1: players on how they respond, so the man has responded 194 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: extremely well. 195 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: He's bounced back. I think he may have been tipping 196 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: some pitches. 197 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that he was feeling comfortable mentally and 198 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: emotionally being in this new space in Philadelphia. 199 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: But I think he's starting to feel that now. He's 200 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: starting to. 201 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: Snap off some pretty damn good breaking balls. Now that 202 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: slider's very good. He's trusting his stuff and he's gotten 203 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: much better. Right now, he's their closer. He's the guy 204 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: that's gonna have to lock it down in the ninth. 205 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: But there are some guys that they have in their system. 206 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: And Mickabel came up and pitched extraordinarily well. Maybe the 207 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: best pitch game I've seen from both sides in all 208 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: the whole year, and maybe one of the best I've 209 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: ever seen. When Schemes and Mick Abel hooked up about 210 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: a week ago or two weeks ago. That was one 211 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: of the best games I think I've ever seen pitching wise. 212 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: I was super impressed by the way Abel handled himself. 213 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: Does he slide into the bullpen at some point and 214 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: become a possible guy. I don't know. I like having 215 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: veteran guys back there who've been through the wars. But 216 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: when you have a arm like that, you never know. 217 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: It's creating depth for them. And they're starting rotation because 218 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: they now have He and maybe Painter later on, and 219 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: so you're talking about, you know, building. 220 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: Up quite a bit of depth once Nola comes. 221 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Back, and you know, frankly, as far as the bullpen 222 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: is concerned, they may actually throw Taiwan Walker back there 223 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: into the back end of the bullpen and see what 224 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: he can do. He's been pitching better, and once he 225 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: comes once Nola comes back, I gotta believe the Taiwan's 226 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: gonna be sliding into that bullpen and Rob Thomas is 227 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: gonna give him a shot to pitch maybe in the seventh, eighth, 228 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: and ninth and see whether he can handle pitching in 229 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: more high leverage situations. 230 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: Who knows. 231 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 6: I mean, I feel like Strom's arm is gonna fall off. 232 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 6: I feel like he pitches every game for the Phillies. 233 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 6: I mean, they gotta find someone. 234 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 4: Every time I look up. I love Matt Strama. 235 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 6: I'm like man, he's pitching every game, every time they 236 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 6: have a lead, he's in there in the seventh and 237 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 6: the eighth. 238 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 4: I mean, god bust continues to do it. 239 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 6: Because we love Matt on the show, and I love 240 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 6: Matt personally, but I want to go back to Alvarado 241 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 6: when you were the GM, when you were at the Phillies, 242 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 6: did you ever have anybody get pap for for steroids? 243 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: Well, we ended up having j Sever Merrow after the 244 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: World Series. 245 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: We won them the World Series and he got h 246 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: I guess he got nailed for it. You just never know, 247 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean, guys why they do it, or what the 248 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: purpose is or what have you. But you know the 249 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: reality of it is as a GM, you. 250 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: Can do nothing about it. 251 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: It's literally like having a guy on the IL and 252 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: you just got to move forward. 253 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: No one's gonna feel sorry for you, and you're just 254 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: gonna have to go and deal with it. 255 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 6: And but how do you deal with it? That's that's 256 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 6: my rubin. My question is how do you deal with it? 257 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 6: Because we had Jim Boden on I think it was 258 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 6: last week and right when this went down, and he's like, 259 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 6: I would not bring him back. I don't want him around. 260 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 6: He's you know, he can't pitch in the postseason. I 261 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 6: think he's a free agent at the end of the 262 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 6: don't know. I think he's a free agent. Better team option, right, 263 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 6: He's like, I would not pick up the team option. 264 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 6: I don't want him around. 265 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 4: He cheated. 266 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 6: He basically, you know, did what he did. You know, 267 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 6: and he gave the normal excuses. You know, I didn't 268 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 6: know what I was doing. Whatever the excuses are that 269 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 6: don't I do HM care, But what would you do 270 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 6: if you This is a different than Jay Listen. I 271 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 6: played with JAC, I played came up with JC. I 272 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 6: love jac Romero. You know, whatever he did, he did. 273 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 6: This is a different situation. This is a guy the 274 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 6: Phillies have counted on for years in big situations. If 275 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 6: you were the GM of the Philadelphia Phillies, if you're 276 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 6: Dave Dombrowski, Samfold and all the rest, do you bring 277 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 6: him back on that team option next year? 278 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: You guys have both been in the clubhouses Ajkratzy and 279 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: you know, you guys have lived it, and you've seen 280 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: what that does to a clubhouse. 281 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, each individual situation is different. This 282 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: is a player that is extremely popular. He's very well liked. 283 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't know the reasons why he got I don't 284 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: know why he did it, but as a player, if 285 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: I got my player's hat on, I'm pissed because he 286 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: may have really hurt our chances to be a world champion. 287 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: But he's also a really great guy, and I think 288 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: that he is a guy that is a guy that 289 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: typically would bring the team together. 290 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: He brings the bullpen together as a as a as. 291 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 2: A part of the emotion of that team. 292 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: And so if this guy wasn't asked and he was 293 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: not a good guy and was not a character guy, 294 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: then I would have a different thought process about it. 295 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: But to me, and again, I'm not sitting in that 296 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: clubhouse every day, but from you know, five hundred feet 297 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: away and having known the. 298 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: Player and what he means to this team, I bring 299 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: the man back. 300 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: But I also sort of expect him to have some 301 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: sort of apology to my teammates, to my coaching staff, 302 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: to whomever. But that's just me and uh and I 303 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: guess Steve Dombrowski and and Preston Manningly and Sam Folder 304 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: are going to make their own. 305 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: Decision about that. 306 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Rob Thompson I'm sure we'll be involved in that decision 307 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: as well. 308 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: But but this is a pretty popular guy in the clubhouse. 309 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: Probably not as popular right now, but but he's a 310 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: guy that for me, if I was making a decision 311 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: about it now, I would certainly bring him back. 312 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 4: Okay. 313 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 6: And then last thing on this, what's what's the I 314 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 6: don't know the incentive. It's not the incidentive. I don't 315 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 6: know what the word is. What what's the what's the 316 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 6: reason for guys not to do steroids in? 317 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: What's the reason? 318 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 6: Because if you're Rose Elvarado and you're like, Okay, so 319 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 6: I lost eighty games, I loves half a year, but 320 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 6: there and then I go be a free agent and 321 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 6: the Phillies will bring you back because quote I'm a 322 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 6: good guy. 323 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: Then what's the There's no reason to not do it. 324 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 6: If I'm a player, I'm like, well, hell if I 325 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 6: can sign for one hundred million and I lose half 326 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 6: a year and then they just bring me back and 327 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 6: welcome me with open arms because quote I'm a nice guy. 328 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: No, there's nothing hurting them. There's no reason not to 329 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: do it. 330 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 6: There we're actually telling guys like, hey, go do this 331 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 6: until you get caught. 332 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: You might lose eighty games. 333 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 6: You might if you're on a bad team, especially you 334 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 6: know you're not making the postseason. 335 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 4: But hey, I got my contract and I'm a good guy. 336 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: Well I don't know, I don't I guess I don't 337 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: see it that way. 338 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: When I say bring him back, I don't necessarily say 339 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: let's sign him back or pick up that club option. 340 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: I think that's a totally different discussion. I'm talking about 341 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: this year. 342 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: After eighty games, if this guy can still help us 343 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: pitch or help us win, then I want to bring 344 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: the guy back because I'm all about the win. Maybe, 345 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: and so if the guy can come back and help 346 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: me win, that's one thing. If he cannot, then that's 347 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: another thing entirely, And as far as the club option 348 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: is concerned, that's a decision. That's a totally different decision 349 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: that I think has to have. 350 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: You have to have a sort of a broader picture 351 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: about how to handle that. 352 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: But I was just, you know, when I was saying 353 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: bring him back, I'm talking about the you know, after 354 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: the eighty games, let this guy help me get to 355 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and then I can do whatever I want. 356 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: When because it's a club option, and that's a decision 357 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: that's totally different than the decision and to bring him 358 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: back for me than to bring him back later on 359 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: this year when he's eligible, I think it's right around 360 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: August seventeenth or something like that. 361 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: Now, excuse me, not August, is that right? Yeah? 362 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: I think it's August seventeenth or eighteenth is when he's 363 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: eligible to come back. 364 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 5: All right, let's go to real Muto batting eighth, JT. 365 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 5: Real Muto batting eighth. Is this the way that jt 366 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 5: Ermuto is going to rehab against big league teams by 367 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 5: figuring out his leg kick, which, if I remember right, 368 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 5: he toyed with a leg kick for the first two 369 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 5: months of last season two and then he said ah 370 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 5: fooie and scrapped it and became the J. T Romuto 371 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 5: for the rest of the season. Is this the same 372 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: adjustment that he tried to make last year. 373 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: I have a feeling it is. 374 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: It's you know, JT is very prideful and in a 375 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: lot of ways, he's a guy that sticks to his principles. 376 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: He feels much more comfortable with the late kick right now. 377 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: The late kick is sort of out of think it's 378 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: making him early on the breaking stuff late on the 379 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: fastball and and he's sort of in between. And that's 380 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: sort of what happens to him when when he's not 381 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: timing it right. And I know a lot of guys 382 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: have lake kicked and they've had a lot of success 383 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: doing it. I'll do a little quick preview on a 384 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: interview that we did for a podcast with Reeze Hoskins. 385 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: You may have talked about this on the show. Reece 386 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: Hoskins used to have a leg kick. 387 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: He has made a. 388 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: Pretty significant adjustment and gotten away from it, got is 389 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: put down earlier and now over the last several weeks 390 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 1: has gotten really hot. 391 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 2: It was a difficult adjustment for him, especially. 392 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: When you're doing it in you know, in season and 393 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: you need to have like automatic results for that right 394 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 1: as a player. But it's worked for him and he 395 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: feels comfortable with it, and he'll discuss it on our show, 396 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: The Phillies Show podcast. We'll go to Eric I believe 397 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: on Friday and he'll discuss it, just so as a 398 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: little teaser. But it may be something that JT since 399 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: he's played with him, maybe they have the discussion. I mean, 400 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: I would love for those guys to get together and 401 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: talk about it and see and have Reese talk to 402 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: JT about the benefits of a little bit more abbreviated 403 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: leg kick, because it seems to be working for a 404 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: guy who used a leg kick for quite some time 405 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: with success and now has seen that the adjustment is 406 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: going to help him. 407 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: So who knows. 408 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: I know it's a tough thing to do because it's 409 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: hard to make those kind of adjustments in season. But 410 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: I think Rob Thompson is doing the right thing by 411 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: signing him back, and you know, lessening his overall need 412 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: as far as you know, the pressure to to to 413 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: uh to perform offensively. He's so important to that pitching staff, 414 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: handling the pitching staff that he's worth his weight in 415 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: goal doing that. You guys know how important you are 416 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: behind the plate. You now important that position is. And 417 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: he's as good as anybody in baseball over the last 418 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: several years of being able to do that. And so hey, 419 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: take some heat off him, slide him back into the 420 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: eight hole, don't let him worry about his offense all 421 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: that much, and let him just do his thing defensively 422 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: until he gets back into a rhythm. 423 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 6: Rubn last thing you talked, you talked about you know 424 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 6: this and that. But if you're you talked about Topper, 425 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 6: if if you're the GM of the Phillies, do you 426 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 6: walk up to Bryce Harper and hand him an elbow 427 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 6: guard and say, why the heck don't you. 428 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: Wear one of these? Dude? Like these they're everywhere. 429 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 6: I mean, so that way you don't have to get 430 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 6: hit in the elbow and it hurt as bad anymore. 431 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I think he's actually warned them 432 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: in the past. I think i've for some reason. I 433 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: know that everybody, a lot of people wear less body armor, 434 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: so much more body armor nowadays than ever. 435 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: I would assume that he'll use it. But you know, 436 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: if Bryce Sharper doesn't bruise and. 437 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: He doesn't swell, so I don't know I was gonna 438 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: come out of that the ninety five mile hour ninety 439 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: just six mile an hour heater that that smoked him, 440 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: I guess probably close to that funny bone. His body 441 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: probably went numb for a while. But I would assume 442 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: that he will probably wear one. He's been drilled like 443 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: two or three times in the last week or so, 444 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: and that's so that's not fun. I would assume they 445 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: will probably jump on, jump on the body armor at 446 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: least for a little while until that's it fully healed. 447 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 4: Okay, Ruben, appreciate you coming on. 448 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 5: And the only reason I turned my hat around was 449 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: to make sure you knew which team he traded me to. 450 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 5: But we do appreciate it, and I want you. I 451 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 5: want you to plug again the Phillies Show for us, 452 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 5: even though you're already previewed what the Friday Show is 453 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 5: gonna be on our way out here. 454 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 4: So we appreciate you coming on. 455 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: Rube, Yeah, thanks so much man the Philly Show. But 456 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 1: Todd's Alecki, Jim Salisbury and I we just have a 457 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: blast talking Phillies baseball. 458 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: I think it's a. 459 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: Great combination of historian in Jim Salisbury, someone who's had 460 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: many hats, and myself and then Todd's Alecky sort of 461 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: runs the show. It's the We nicknamed it the Todd Pod. 462 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: We love doing it. We have a lot of fun. 463 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: It's a great team to cover because it's fun to 464 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: watch these guys. They've been damn good for the last 465 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: several years and they're going to continue to contend as 466 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: long as Dave Nebrowski's there and Rob Thompson is doing 467 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: this thing. They've got some good players, some good people there, 468 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: So give it a. 469 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: Listen, give it a watch. 470 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: It's basically on everything you can possibly see on podcasts. 471 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: And we appreciate Foul Territory being our umbrella and being 472 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: our big partners in that. 473 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: So that's my plug. 474 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 5: Maybe we appreciate your room, and we'll get to the 475 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 5: weeds after this.