Speaker 1: On today's episode. If I didn't know, maybe you didn't either.
Speaker 1: Let's discuss the American flag. Whenever I'm quizing folks on
Speaker 1: the American flag, I asked three questions. How many stars
Speaker 1: on the flag, how many stripes on the flag, and
Speaker 1: who created the flag. Now, if your answer was fifty
Speaker 1: thirteen and Betsy Ross, you got two out of three,
Speaker 1: I'll explain I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't know. I didn't know. Maybe I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Now, when folks talk about the American flag, all you
Speaker 1: ever hear is bet See Ross this and bet See
Speaker 1: Ross that, But Betsy don't know ish because Betsy came
Speaker 1: round out like that Bo Jackson commercial.
Speaker 2: Keep up.
Speaker 1: Look, the point is folks is always talking about Betsy
Speaker 1: Ross in that flag, like she the Beyonce in the
Speaker 1: so On World or something. But what they don't tell
Speaker 1: you is that there was someone else putting in the work,
Speaker 1: a young black woman named Grace Wisher. Now Grace wasn't
Speaker 1: a prentcess right there with Betsy Ross helping stitch that
Speaker 1: flag together. But you think Betsy ever gave her as
Speaker 1: much as a shout out. Nope, that Joe, don't say
Speaker 1: the flag was created by Betsy Ross featuring Grace Wisher
Speaker 1: at the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: Nothing. It's like Grace was the AZ to Betsy's.
Speaker 1: Nas, you know what I'm saying, Like a z a
Speaker 1: lyrical genius co wrote some of the best verses on
Speaker 1: io Matic. But when folks talk about that album, they
Speaker 1: act like he wasn't even there.
Speaker 2: Grace was in the same boat, y'all.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you, Grace didn't even have the
Speaker 1: option to shine. It wasn't like she could hop on
Speaker 1: Instagram and post herself in like day three of stitching
Speaker 1: the stars and stripes on y'all hashtag black girl magic. No,
Speaker 1: this was the seventeen hundreds. Grace wasn't gonna get no
Speaker 1: flowers because back then black women didn't get no flowers. Hell,
Speaker 1: black people weren't even allowed to get near the bouquet.
Speaker 1: Grace's story is wild to me though, because her hands
Speaker 1: were literally on the symbol of freedom.
Speaker 2: Freedom, but she didn't even get a seat at the table.
Speaker 1: She like most death or y'all seeing Bay now that
Speaker 1: what we call him, see another one of them dope MC's.
Speaker 2: But he wasn't chasing commercial fame.
Speaker 1: He was out there spitting truth, making classics like black
Speaker 1: on both sides, but mainstream was like, nah, we're good
Speaker 1: on that. Grace was out here sewing up history, and
Speaker 1: society was like, nah, we good on that. See, Betsy
Speaker 1: Ross is like the doctor dre of the whole operation.
Speaker 1: While she had the connections, she got the credit, and
Speaker 1: Grace she were like Goodie Mob in the South, pioneering
Speaker 1: doing soul for conscious work.
Speaker 2: But usually our cast get all the credit for the South.
Speaker 1: And I mean, come on, like, without Goodie Mob, Southern
Speaker 1: hip hop wouldn't have been the same. Without Grace Wisher,
Speaker 1: that flag wouldn't have been the same either. So here's
Speaker 1: the real talk. When you see that American flag flying, Hugh,
Speaker 1: don't just think about Betsy Ross. Think about sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Grace Wisher, a little black apprentice that was behind
Speaker 1: the scenes making it happen even though she was not
Speaker 1: allowed to shine. She like Ray Kwan from Wutang, only
Speaker 1: built for Cuban Lynx, is a masterpiece. But you know,
Speaker 1: folks is always like, oh method man, oh ghost face,
Speaker 1: nah ma, give Ray Kwany's flowers and give Grace Wisher
Speaker 1: her flowers. Che's proof the history ain't all about who
Speaker 1: gets the credit. It's about who did the work. So
Speaker 1: next time you see that fifty star, thirteen striped American flag,
Speaker 1: you just remember sixteen year old black woman helped to
Speaker 1: make it happen, and I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe you didn't either.
Speaker 1: I