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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, sir, how you doing? Man? It was great
Speaker 1: yesterday and I actually went out and played tennis and
Speaker 1: I'm now very sore, and because it's been a busy
Speaker 1: morning and I was preparing for the show, and you know,
Speaker 1: we were honing in on the concept like seven minutes ago,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I haven't eaten anything today, and
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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back in Boys and Girls. Hopefully you are
Speaker 2: more nourished than my co host, Dan Rubinstein. I had
Speaker 2: a lovely salad for lunch. We are recording a little
Speaker 2: bit earlier than usual today because we wanted to tap
Speaker 2: into our unbridled energy source here as we talk about
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two NFL draft, at least twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two NFL mock drafts that we found online and were
Speaker 2: quite amused by, which we'll get into here in just
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. We should also mention we have a starting
Speaker 1: next week, do we not? Are we are we announcing
Speaker 1: this today? I think so? We already put it up online.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, go on, I'm listening. Yeah, yeah, So we
Speaker 1: are starting a mini series. In years past we've done
Speaker 1: coach months where we've had a few coaches on or
Speaker 1: scheme themes. We are doing a series we're producing and hosting.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's sort of an extension of the Solidverbal
Speaker 1: and it's on this feed starting next week called So now,
Speaker 1: what about everything that we've forgotten about twenty twenty, the
Speaker 1: most ridiculous year and recent memory of college football on
Speaker 1: and off the field, and what it all now means
Speaker 1: moving forward. So, you know, we're talking about conference power
Speaker 1: and hierarchy and decision making and off field stuff and
Speaker 1: player health and safety protocol and how the social world
Speaker 1: has intertwined with the college football world, and we are
Speaker 1: quite excited to just with the benefit of time, unpack
Speaker 1: and figure out what it all might mean moving forward.
Speaker 1: Does that all make sense? Yeah, we're excited about this.
Speaker 2: Actually, we came up with this idea kind of in
Speaker 2: the throes of the pandemic towards the end of last season,
Speaker 2: when it was unclear you'll remember, for a point in
Speaker 2: time whether or not they were going to finish this
Speaker 2: thing out. We were recording shows wondering behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: They even gonna finish this season out? Where is this
Speaker 1: thing heading?
Speaker 2: We came up with this idea. We're excited about it.
Speaker 2: First installment of that is going to drop next week.
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Speaker 2: y gonna step away from the normal silliness of the
Speaker 2: off season here. By the way, if you go on
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Speaker 2: for ballers dot com, so go and check it out.
Speaker 1: I should also add, just in terms of news, we
Speaker 1: have the sc FCS playoffs happening and they're down to
Speaker 1: what the semi finals, semifinals. First time in nine years
Speaker 1: that North Dakota State will not be in the semifinals.
Speaker 1: Did see that? So we have what Sam Houston State
Speaker 1: taking down, I mean they took down the Bison right
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty. It was a good game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the number two seed facing off against number three seed
Speaker 1: JMU James Madison. On either side, We've got South Dakota State,
Speaker 1: that's what the Jacks yep, No Rabbits, yes, yes, yes yes,
Speaker 1: and your Delaware blue Heads fighting blue Hens, baby fighting
Speaker 1: blue Hens who are not seeded. So we've got the one, two,
Speaker 1: and three and then Delaware looks like it was a
Speaker 1: crazy game and an upset against Jacksonville State. I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to watch these. I didn't really watch much
Speaker 1: of the playoffs, just here and there when I would
Speaker 1: throw on the ESPN app. But I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 1: excited for this. Is that okay? Of course, it's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I should think that happening Saturday are the semis, Yes,
Speaker 1: the eighth of May and then yeah, so three, four, five,
Speaker 1: sixteenth will.
Speaker 2: Be the championship game at two pm in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: A lot of fans, Yeah, a lot of fans are
Speaker 2: watching this as you might expect. The one other note
Speaker 2: I'll point out in North Dakota State, though they have
Speaker 2: been like the eight hundred pound gorilla in this room
Speaker 2: for many many years running, now, they actually were not
Speaker 2: one of the top four seeds going into this snow
Speaker 2: which is important context here. A great win for Sam
Speaker 2: Houston State twenty four to twenty. Sam Houston was the
Speaker 2: number two seed headed into that game. Now moves on
Speaker 2: to face to face off against JMU.
Speaker 1: I will be watching, and I think they're playing in
Speaker 1: Frisco once again, so goodbye me. Is there anything else
Speaker 1: going on in the world, Dan, There is one other
Speaker 1: thing that just jumped out to me, Utah and Wisconsin
Speaker 1: announced Home and Home in Madison in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 1: and when you are fifty two years old Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City in twenty thirty three, A fifty two year old tie.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's great. Yeah, that's all. That's all.
Speaker 2: I thought you wanted to go into a long, exhaustive
Speaker 2: breakdown of Tyler Buckner's breakout performance in the Notre Dame
Speaker 2: Spring Game, but we can save that for another show.
Speaker 2: Is that true, Tyler the Day, Tyler the Creator.
Speaker 1: I'm coining it right now. I'm ready, true freshman, true freshman.
Speaker 2: Look, the part looked very, very promising, maybe as Notre
Speaker 2: Dame's best quarterback. So your new maleigue Zayira, the new
Speaker 2: Zaira is upon us.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, okay, So so as we play our
Speaker 1: it's not even a game, it's our sort of an
Speaker 1: early evaluation period.
Speaker 2: Here is what cracks me up about the quote unquote
Speaker 2: early evaluation period.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: We did this on the last show where we were
Speaker 2: looking ahead at twenty twenty one mock drafts, and then
Speaker 2: we said, oh, well, let's click into the future, and
Speaker 2: then you get to twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: I was on Walterfootball dot Com.
Speaker 1: They've been doing this forever.
Speaker 2: They've got guys in their twenty twenty four mock draft
Speaker 2: who aren't even on college teams yet haven'ty decided what
Speaker 2: team they're going to play for, So this is what
Speaker 2: they do. They look way out in advance. I'm sure
Speaker 2: they wouldn't even attest to the accuracy of those very
Speaker 2: early evaluation periods. But nonetheless, we're looking ahead to twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, and we pulled out some names from was
Speaker 2: it the Bleacher.
Speaker 1: Report mock draft? It was the Bleacher Yes, it was
Speaker 1: Bleacher yep.
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty two NFL mock draft that Bleacher put out,
Speaker 2: and we each grab five guys. We're going to break
Speaker 2: down whether or not this is legit, whether or not
Speaker 2: it's something we can get behind, whether or not it's
Speaker 2: something that we feel needs a little bit more research.
Speaker 2: Where we stand on ten players that are listed prominently
Speaker 2: as part of this twenty twenty two mock That sound.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I have no ideas, That's absolutely true. I
Speaker 1: have no idea about NFL destinations and making sense like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy should go to the Browns, He's a perfect fit.
Speaker 1: I have no idea about any of that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's looking at where we've selected five guys and we
Speaker 1: want to give further context to their I suppose careers
Speaker 1: thus far, and then they're twenty twenty one seasons and
Speaker 1: the position groups they're in, and you know their coaches
Speaker 1: and what they might need to prove and tough opponents,
Speaker 1: and just sort of evaluate these players within the context
Speaker 1: of how they'll be playing in their careers thus far.
Speaker 1: And I guess what they could do to move up
Speaker 1: in the mock draft for a lot. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's something I probably can't cover with a certain degree
Speaker 1: of accuracy. But we've selected five and I tried to
Speaker 1: go across the country and various conferences and such, so
Speaker 1: you can you can start if you'd like. Well, I
Speaker 1: want you to start with Spencer Rattler. Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 2: So Spencer Rattler. He is going to be a what
Speaker 2: red shirt sophomore correct going into the twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: season starting quarterback for Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Depends where you look.
Speaker 2: I've seen some of the really early mock drafts who
Speaker 2: have Spencer Rattler off the board before Sam. How I
Speaker 2: will do CM, How you can do. Spencer Ratler. Let's
Speaker 2: talk through a little bit more about Spencer Rattler. He
Speaker 2: was you know, he waited his turn at Oklahoma, finally
Speaker 2: got the gig. I thought looked very, very good. The
Speaker 2: one thing you always hear about Spencer Rattler is, and
Speaker 2: it's cliche at this point, can make all the throws.
Speaker 2: This is a kid who has an incredibly live arm.
Speaker 2: I joke about could really spin it. He can really
Speaker 2: spin it. If you ever watch him throw, it's effortless,
Speaker 2: and that's got to be something that NFL guys are
Speaker 2: just loving drooling at.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's the clear arm talent winner of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one crop of quarterbacks, which doesn't look
Speaker 1: to be that strong and that deep in the way
Speaker 1: that you know they lived last I mean this year
Speaker 1: and last year I suppose were. So he has that
Speaker 1: going for him in terms of draft position. If he's
Speaker 1: not clearly the number one overall pick, he'll probably be
Speaker 1: drafted pretty highly just because it seems like a shallow class.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with Spencer Rattler. He's following up dudes
Speaker 1: who led more productive offenses and Jalen Hurts, Kayler Murray
Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield, but in terms of pure armability, he
Speaker 1: is ahead of those dudes, and what he has around
Speaker 1: him this year is encouraging. Creed Humphrey obviously is gone
Speaker 1: up front at center, but he has his guards back
Speaker 1: left tackle. I mean, they have returning guys at tackles,
Speaker 1: but Janya Morris, the Tennessee transfer who was a big
Speaker 1: time recruit, he enters into the fold, so they've got
Speaker 1: guys competing at left tackle. His receivers should be improving studs.
Speaker 1: I mean Theoez Jaydon Hazelwood flashed in the spring game.
Speaker 1: Marvin Mims was very promising last year. They lose Charleston Rambo,
Speaker 1: but they have Wes Welker type and Drake's dooms. I
Speaker 1: guess that's where we are right now. And I dug
Speaker 1: into some of the advanced numbers which are not which
Speaker 1: I don't think tell anywhere near a complete story because
Speaker 1: there are always going to be variables involved. He was
Speaker 1: slightly better throwing into zones than he was against man coverage,
Speaker 1: but I don't at all doubt the strength of his
Speaker 1: arm to squeeze passes into two spaces, and then his
Speaker 1: touch was very good. He had some brutal drops if
Speaker 1: you remember it, key moments last year, and so really
Speaker 1: in terms of what you want from him is you know,
Speaker 1: continually flashing, throwing on the run and just looking like
Speaker 1: he does on his fourth throw and his thirty fourth
Speaker 1: throw throw. Excuse me late in games. Those late in
Speaker 1: game moments were really tough early on against Kansas State
Speaker 1: and Iowa State. And I mean skill wise, I mentioned
Speaker 1: the receivers. No Ramandre Stevenson, but Eric Gray transfers in
Speaker 1: Kennedy Brooks set out twenty twenty and he's back and
Speaker 1: it's the usual suspects. In terms of who you want
Speaker 1: to see Spencer Rattler popping against, it's at Kansas State
Speaker 1: Texas on the neutral site in Dallas, TCU. They're at
Speaker 1: Baylor this year, which I think should be tough. You know,
Speaker 1: David ran against another year with that defense, Iowa State
Speaker 1: once again and Oklahoma State should be pretty good on
Speaker 1: defense this year. And that's bedlam on the road. So
Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler has every opportunity with who he has returning
Speaker 1: from a coaching perspective and from a player perspective, and
Speaker 1: that there's no obvious killer defense on his schedule. Every
Speaker 1: opportunity to put up absolute cartoon numbers this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and which Oklahoma quarterback over the last couple of
Speaker 2: years hasn't done that? He will do incredible numbers again
Speaker 2: this season. Not the biggest guy six to one to
Speaker 2: two of five, bigger than Kyler Murray, right, but not
Speaker 2: the biggest quarterback who's presumably going to be in the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two class.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The arm strength is off the charts, He's very mobile,
Speaker 2: He's got a ton of poison the pocket. Sometimes gets
Speaker 2: a little yippie with his throws, and sometimes trust the
Speaker 2: arm a little bit too much, throws into triple coverage.
Speaker 2: But other than that, that's all stuff that can be corrected.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to love about this kid was a.
Speaker 1: Fing You remember, we're talking about a twenty twenty quarterback.
Speaker 1: So in terms of his training in the off season,
Speaker 1: some aer yeah, some of the workouts of all camp
Speaker 1: like his, I would imagine we're going to see also,
Speaker 1: like just improvement across the board on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball the sport. I think tackling will be better.
Speaker 1: I think under fundamental understanding of offenses will be better
Speaker 1: from quarterbacks and coordinators alike. So I think Spencer Ratler
Speaker 1: is going to be a big winner of a quote
Speaker 1: unquote more normal year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's go to where we're going for we
Speaker 2: gotta go to Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton safety No.
Speaker 2: Tre Dame, six', four two, nineteen going to be a
Speaker 2: true junior fifty one solo. Tackles last year he had
Speaker 2: sixty three in total per our friends over AT. Pff
Speaker 2: he hasn't given up a touchdown in five hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety four covered. Snaps so what you like about, him
Speaker 2: just from like an unscientific and completely biased, perspective please
Speaker 2: grant me that. Always he's six,' four he's an. Imposing
Speaker 2: presence he can do just about anything on defense anywhere you.
Speaker 2: Need him if he needs to come up and, stick
Speaker 2: somebody if he needs, to blitz if he needs to
Speaker 2: cover a tight end or even a, slot receiver even a,
Speaker 2: zero receiver he can.
Speaker 1: Do it he can.
Speaker 2: Do it he's, also everywhere all. At, once Yeah You're
Speaker 2: Michelle branch player Of.
Speaker 1: The year he.
Speaker 2: Is everywhere his new, Defensive Coordinator, marcus freeman has made
Speaker 2: it known that he's not Coming To notre dame to
Speaker 2: make any. DRASTIC changes i think you're going to see
Speaker 2: a lot of the same stuff that we've seen over
Speaker 2: the last couple. Of years, if anything because there is,
Speaker 2: some turnover especially In The notre, Dame Secondary marcus freeman
Speaker 2: may lean a little bit More On kyle hamilton to
Speaker 2: step up to make, that impact to lead the charge from.
Speaker 1: THE back.
Speaker 2: I just don't think we're going to see anything drastic
Speaker 2: that's going to alter. His output the Schedule For notre
Speaker 2: dame in twenty twenty one. Is ideal i'm not going
Speaker 2: to Say That kyle hamilton will have an opportunity against
Speaker 2: a bunch. Of killers, he won't but he is going
Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to set things up from the
Speaker 2: defensive side of. The football he's got some big games against.
Speaker 2: Top talent right you may not be the best team in,
Speaker 2: the world but there's. Always Talent wisconsin cincinnati is an.
Speaker 2: INTERESTING one Usc Certainly sam HALL and Unc on halloween
Speaker 2: weekend will be an Opportunity For kyle hamilton to showcase
Speaker 2: what he can do. Out there he's gonna have to
Speaker 2: be the top safety off, the board may not be
Speaker 2: the top defensive back off. The board with Guys Like,
Speaker 2: derek stingley Junior who i'm going to talk about momentarily
Speaker 2: also in the. Draft Class But KYLE hamilton i think
Speaker 2: sets up as a surefire top, ten pick barring any
Speaker 2: kind of injury or anything just going, you know in an.
Speaker 2: Unforeseen Direction kyle hamilton is about as close to a
Speaker 2: lock as you're going to get in the defensive backfield
Speaker 2: coming out of this.
Speaker 1: Next class definitely on the. Tall, side right he's listed at.
Speaker 1: Six force maybe he's, six' three so i wonder at six,
Speaker 1: FOUR two twenty i wonder how he's used potentially as
Speaker 1: a hybrid because you mentioned that you can play in
Speaker 1: the box and he can. PLAY in coverage i wonder
Speaker 1: if he's going to start getting looks, at outside Linebacker
Speaker 1: Perhaps in marcus, FREEMAN'S you know i don't know if
Speaker 1: he's gonna, put on weight but, in his defense just
Speaker 1: because you look at safeties who are drafted and generally SUCCEED,
Speaker 1: in the nfl and it's, a little taller six to
Speaker 1: four is a little taller than what you're. Used to
Speaker 1: seeing just because of change of, direction in coverage you
Speaker 1: like to get guys who are perhaps sixty one sixty.
Speaker 1: TWO at safety i don't know what those the difference
Speaker 1: in six' two and, sixty four really means but there
Speaker 1: seems to be somewhat. Of A proto type so i
Speaker 1: wonder if he's not that guy who every team actually covets,
Speaker 1: because he, can play you know he, can rush, the passer,
Speaker 1: he can you know. Take a tight end he can
Speaker 1: line up against a Receiver In that almost. Isaiah simmons
Speaker 1: type role that's that's going to, be fascinating to me
Speaker 1: just how he's used now in His Final year at
Speaker 1: notre dame and MOVING. Forward in the nfl.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what he does. AT the next
Speaker 2: level i think he'll be highly coveted because of that
Speaker 2: ability to break out and not so much be pigeonholed
Speaker 2: into the normal. Role of a safety he can just
Speaker 2: DO so much that i think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: value on, guys like, that nowadays especially nowadays.
Speaker 1: There's a certain, joy By the way and i'm positive
Speaker 1: you Feel This way about kyle hamilton and have since
Speaker 1: he became a rotation player almost right. Out of the
Speaker 1: gate when you root for a team that has a
Speaker 1: safety who's just more advanced than everybody else on, the
Speaker 1: field pretty much and you have that confidence that he's
Speaker 1: going to make tackles, in the open field that he's
Speaker 1: not going to bite on play action and get completely
Speaker 1: burned deep and just is that full on leader behind
Speaker 1: that defense getting. Everybody lined up there there's a certain
Speaker 1: amount of comfort as a fan knowing that. Dude is
Speaker 1: back there i've had a Couple, of Those At oregon
Speaker 1: including javon holland who just got drafted i think early.
Speaker 1: In The second round so i'm sorry for you that
Speaker 1: you're not going to have that presence in your life. Probably,
Speaker 1: after this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what let me stick with The
Speaker 2: Defensive Backfield, into derek stingley junior because he's another one
Speaker 2: listed in this mock draft six' one one ninety. Good
Speaker 2: size for a cornerback he's been the nation's highest rated.
Speaker 2: Corner ever since twenty nineteen again PER, our friends over
Speaker 2: at Pff That's even higher than pat sertan junior Who.
Speaker 2: Just got picked on thursday so that's the. Caliber we're
Speaker 2: talking about here playing against top flight talent to showcase
Speaker 2: what he can do is NEVER An issue, in the
Speaker 2: sec west schedule is not goun in. Practice against his
Speaker 2: own teammates he's going to have plenty of opportunity to.
Speaker 2: Showcase what he Can do his freshman season dan in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen was regarded by many as one of the
Speaker 2: greatest freshman campaigns of all. Time at the cornerback position
Speaker 2: he was out there a couple games and he had
Speaker 2: scout scrolling pretty much plug and play wiped out one
Speaker 2: side of the field the, second he went out there,
Speaker 2: just knows what he's doing knows has has the awareness
Speaker 2: to know where, his teammates are around him, to play
Speaker 2: off their strengths. To play to his, own to my,
Speaker 2: untrained eye very untrained eye it does not look.
Speaker 1: Like there are too.
Speaker 2: Many holes in his, GAME before doing this show i
Speaker 2: went back and did a little research to. Read what other, People,
Speaker 2: thought it turns out nope no one. Can find any
Speaker 2: holes either he's just about as close to a lock
Speaker 2: at corner as you're going to. Find coming out of
Speaker 2: college somebody's going. To take him top five he's easily the.
Speaker 2: Top corner off the, board he's a shutdown corner and
Speaker 2: you know they've scouts have felt as much since the
Speaker 2: moment he stepped.
Speaker 1: OUT there as a freshman i will point out one,
Speaker 1: glaring flaw of His Game and that is DeVante. Smith
Speaker 1: turned him into ash he got Beat up really bad
Speaker 1: by Alabama's Receiving cor and, specifically DeVante smith last year
Speaker 1: and so that is going to. Be on, film for.
Speaker 1: Anybody and look everybody did every single human who Has
Speaker 1: tried to hang. With smith was Completely Torched, but THAT
Speaker 1: includes derek stingley Who I don't remember what DeVante smith finished,
Speaker 1: with in the first half but. It wasn't one hundred
Speaker 1: yards it was over too and Many Of. Those came
Speaker 1: against derek stingley so in terms of cleaning, up, some
Speaker 1: of his game, yes whether it's you know not being
Speaker 1: able to jam, a smaller receiver, like That there are
Speaker 1: elements but stingley to come onto the scene like. He
Speaker 1: did as a freshman and granted you Also have to
Speaker 1: remember with stingley last year was what Hospitalized The night,
Speaker 1: Before the mississippi state game so he had he had
Speaker 1: some sort, of was an allergic reaction, don't hold me
Speaker 1: to that but he had some, sort of, reaction to
Speaker 1: something was hospitalized and so we don't know how off.
Speaker 1: He really was last, year not to make excuses but
Speaker 1: this is the reality of twenty twenty and for him
Speaker 1: it was that hospitalization. Early ON in the season so
Speaker 1: i Am Quite excited to, see derek stingley this year
Speaker 1: especially what we presume to be in a Better defense
Speaker 1: than what bo. Polini was running last year and just
Speaker 1: the absolute AWFUL elements Of Watching the Lsu defense, againstssissippi
Speaker 1: state In Week, one not with derek stingley but just
Speaker 1: not knowing you you don't Man Up on onder the mike.
Speaker 1: Leach spread, In Their, raids so yeah derek stingley his,
Speaker 1: ceiling Is astronomically crazy crazy and.
Speaker 2: I'm i to that point i'm very curious to see
Speaker 2: how these mock drafts change.
Speaker 1: Over the course. Of time they.
Speaker 2: Always change they always change when you're talking, a full
Speaker 2: year in. ADVANCE that's just a given i think going
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty two you're going to see a lot more,
Speaker 2: change than you would typically just because there's so much
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty that we don't we don't know. How
Speaker 2: to project that forward I'm Going to talk about keaton.
Speaker 2: Slovis In a little bit keaton slovis had very little,
Speaker 2: action Last year by comparison and i'm just curious to
Speaker 2: see if the Twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: One version of slovis.
Speaker 2: Moves him up or down and if twenty twenty, gets
Speaker 2: tossed in a Blender.
Speaker 1: What so continue On keaton slovas. And then i'll take two.
Speaker 1: We Can snake this.
Speaker 2: Well keaton slovas six to two hundred going, INTO what
Speaker 2: his JUNIOR year i guess as usc quarterback had a
Speaker 2: ridiculous true, freshman campaign in TWENTY.
Speaker 1: Nineteen. TOOK over for jt, daniels jtd n expectedly right. Somebody.
Speaker 1: Was like he's ready nope, it was thrust, into action.
Speaker 2: Thrust into action and it Was A pleasant surprise that
Speaker 2: Clay Hilton got out of keaton slova is what.
Speaker 1: He got out, OF.
Speaker 2: Him because you're, thinking jt daniels? Goes Down what's this.
Speaker 2: Mean keaton slova steps in he.
Speaker 1: HAD.
Speaker 2: A great freshman campaign jt Daniels had A Transfer to
Speaker 2: georgia because keaton slovs was so good. Mainly in, that
Speaker 2: freshman campaign thirty touchdowns nine interceptions as a true. Freshman
Speaker 2: was pretty damn good the numbers last. Year were not
Speaker 2: as good. They were NOT as good and again I
Speaker 2: come back, To what i just said do we, throw
Speaker 2: those in a fire do? We throw them out window
Speaker 2: because IT was such. A goofy pac. TWELVE season i
Speaker 2: don't know i don't know. What to make of it
Speaker 2: luckily for, himley of twenty, twenty one they weren't horrible.
Speaker 2: They just weren't as good so let's see Which direction
Speaker 2: things go for. SLOVIS in twenty twenty one i think
Speaker 2: what you like about him is that. He's a really
Speaker 2: accurate passer he there's a very catchable ball that will
Speaker 2: bode well, for him at this level at the next
Speaker 2: level if he desires to go. Pro in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two he's got upper class beIN a one the offensive
Speaker 2: line that are, gonna help keep him upright. And skill
Speaker 2: talent around him maybe not the same names that, we
Speaker 2: had a year AGO but skilled talent at. Usc usually
Speaker 2: not a problem they'll, have guys to throw too. Even
Speaker 2: though there's some turnover biggest Game On his schedule is
Speaker 2: notre Dame, on The road late OCTOBER maybe oregon in,
Speaker 2: the pac twelve title game if. It should come to
Speaker 2: that but it looks like A. Pretty clean schedule for
Speaker 2: usc it's not littered with land mines the, way it
Speaker 2: might be otherwise and so he's going to have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to go out there to better his numbers from
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and potentially put himself in the running to
Speaker 2: be one of the first. Three quarterbacks off the board.
Speaker 1: He has, unbelievable receivers to throw to, EVEN though year
Speaker 1: over Year i. Mean It's What i'm on, ross saint
Speaker 1: brown gets drafted, And The year before that Michael Pittman.
Speaker 1: Was terrific and tyler vaughns, all these. Guys were Very
Speaker 1: Very strong and now drake london seems to be the
Speaker 1: unguardable dude who's a receiver kind. Of At tight end
Speaker 1: size and bruce McCoy if You remember the USC To Texas.
Speaker 1: Back to usc gary bryant so there's all these dudes
Speaker 1: that HAVE. Popped out Wide For Usc he loses elijah
Speaker 1: vera tucker who, was a first round pick but he
Speaker 1: WASN'T a tackle and nowably I, think inside in the Nfl.
Speaker 1: He got torched by, oregon and that's To Me the
Speaker 1: story of keten slovas is he has built up, his
Speaker 1: numbers against lesser competition and In, THOSE two matchups against
Speaker 1: oregon i think he's. Throwing, to combine six? Picks yeah? Is?
Speaker 1: That right that's right yeah and had two. Picks in
Speaker 1: that shootout win you like to have that IN. A
Speaker 1: winning effort against ucla so against, some of the Better
Speaker 1: teams you'd like for slovas. To look His absolute best
Speaker 1: i'm also I'M not. WILD about the usc offense i
Speaker 1: think he's really good at playmaking, and going downfield and
Speaker 1: improvising BUT so much of that usc offense is. Just
Speaker 1: swing passes and hitches there's like a lot of short
Speaker 1: STUFF against the zones that i don't think They've Fully,
Speaker 1: figured out with graham harrell like this is it seems
Speaker 1: To be more of an. October team than anything Else
Speaker 1: So you're right that notre dame is probably like that
Speaker 1: needs to be a matchup that's he's got to Be
Speaker 1: Able to look off kyle hamilton And Hit. Dudes deep
Speaker 1: against notre dame. HIS line SHOULD be okay I Just
Speaker 1: i worry that keden slovas is vaulted this high because
Speaker 1: IT is that shallow class. I really, want to see you,
Speaker 1: know it's a great story and If You're just looking at,
Speaker 1: keden slovas, in a vacuum good. Quarterback good to really
Speaker 1: good but the performances late In whatever it was in
Speaker 1: October two years ago AGAINST oregon and then, the Pac
Speaker 1: twelve championship game and i'll go into the next Guy Who.
Speaker 1: Terrorized him in cavon thibodeau it's just the offense has
Speaker 1: to do a better Job of both catering to slovas's abilities.
Speaker 1: AND to, the receiver's Abilities i mean what would Bruce
Speaker 1: McCoy Be Doing? For alabama Or Ohio state what would
Speaker 1: drake london be doing all game? Long for teams Like
Speaker 1: that so that's, What i'd like to see And. That's
Speaker 1: not necessarily on slovas that's Just the. Context, of the
Speaker 1: slovas experience well that's Been the context. Of the HELTON experience,
Speaker 1: Too Well they I mean sam darnold was i think given.
Speaker 1: A little bit more freedom they've gone to this like
Speaker 1: full On. AIR raid that requires slovas i don't know
Speaker 1: how many times he was throwing the? Ball most? Games
Speaker 1: last year was it Did? He go over forty yeah, he, went,
Speaker 1: over forty one two three. Four times in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. OF passing it's a lot.
Speaker 2: I saw the comp for him coming Out Of. HIGH
Speaker 2: school was kirk cousins i.
Speaker 1: DON'T know if that. HOLDS i get THE comparison, i think.
Speaker 1: THERE'S i mean that's fine i think there's something crazy
Speaker 1: impressive of somebody who can come in as a true freshman,
Speaker 1: And succeed like he did like he's been great to.
Speaker 1: Be part of the story and the.
Speaker 2: Accuracy should not be overlooked he's been a very accurate,
Speaker 2: passer in a, system that as, you said air raid
Speaker 2: timing you got to throw the, ball where guys are going,
Speaker 2: not necessarily where they are.
Speaker 1: But it's an easier system to be accurate within. A. Lot,
Speaker 1: of quick passes. YEAH yeah so, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I don't know we'll, see what twenty twenty One Twenty,
Speaker 2: twenty one for keaton slovis you could argue is more
Speaker 2: important than ANY of the two Guys I just Mentioned In.
Speaker 2: Kyle hamilton and derek stingley maybe even more so The Case.
Speaker 2: FOR guys like sam howell. I just twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: what he does is season is gonna really ultimately tell where.
Speaker 1: He, goes, In the draft. Yeah yeah i'm all. True
Speaker 1: i'm excited to see i'm definitely excited to see BECAUSE
Speaker 1: the best of this usc. Offense will, be really strong all?
Speaker 1: Right WHO do you Got So, I mentioned kave on
Speaker 1: thibodeau so we're going to go there just because, he
Speaker 1: now has top one two three ceiling, because as an
Speaker 1: edge rusher as a position that's valued as much AS.
Speaker 1: It is in the nfl if YOU are a top
Speaker 1: flight a, plus edge rusher edge rusher You're going to
Speaker 1: get that you're going to command and. Get that kind of.
Speaker 1: ATTENTION he's a fascinating study i mean WE. Mentioned his
Speaker 1: ability against usc he really popped last year when he
Speaker 1: was JUST let loose, against the usc offensive line and the.
Speaker 1: Year before he was Incredible. He was great against utah
Speaker 1: so he, is somebody that You Know unlike SOMEBODY like
Speaker 1: keiden Slovas Or i mentioned in spencer rattler earlier on
Speaker 1: Late In games that keve on thibodeau has popped the
Speaker 1: loudest when. The lights have been brightest he is next
Speaker 1: to a bunch of new, starters ON the, defensive line
Speaker 1: which i think in a Way. WILL be better for
Speaker 1: oregon i think the guys that were there, before were,
Speaker 1: sort of BIGGER slower types and now i think he's
Speaker 1: the next to more Athletic Dudes, and guys like brandon
Speaker 1: dorles and THERE'S guy popo o move i think. Is
Speaker 1: how you pronounce it and so these guys are better
Speaker 1: fit for better they're better fits for this specific Defense
Speaker 1: that New defensive coordinator. Tim de ruter is running but
Speaker 1: he does have, his Same DEFENSIVE line coach and deruter
Speaker 1: i think, is handling outside Linebacker stuff which. Is where
Speaker 1: thibodeau is moving he has had his hand in the ground,
Speaker 1: these past couple of years but he is going to
Speaker 1: be more of a, stand up edge rusher type which.
Speaker 1: SHOULD find him somebody with i mean he'll, be. HE'LL
Speaker 1: have more focus right I Think last, year in andy
Speaker 1: avlos's defense he was lining, up inside a little bit
Speaker 1: more inside tackles and, like a four eye technique and
Speaker 1: so he'll. Find himself more single minded he still needs
Speaker 1: to prove himself, more consistently against the run but actually
Speaker 1: has been. Really good against the run and you know he's,
Speaker 1: playing at, like SIX five two fifty so i don't
Speaker 1: think he's, gonna put on you know four to THREE
Speaker 1: defensive end. For the nfl, type weight but you know
Speaker 1: he'll have to prove, him self, in the flat, you
Speaker 1: know against you know running backs and swing, passes And
Speaker 1: things like that and i'm sure guys are going to
Speaker 1: try to pick on him if he isn't that flat
Speaker 1: and he. Is Dropping back Into coverage but tim de
Speaker 1: ruter's history with those stand Up Edge Rushers like von
Speaker 1: miller evin weaver we saw just have tremendous SUCCESS at
Speaker 1: linebacker for cal i think it's a Really Nice, Sign for,
Speaker 1: cave on, THIBODEAU and fascinatingly week two i believe we
Speaker 1: have depending, on where he lines up which side of.
Speaker 1: The ball He lines Up It's, in columbus at Ohio
Speaker 1: State and He Has Thayer, MUNFORD and nicholas pettif farrare
Speaker 1: i think is how you pronounce the right Tackle Starting.
Speaker 1: Right tackles for ohio state so it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where when you watch the highlights of these, guys
Speaker 1: when they get picked you want to see them. Pop
Speaker 1: against those best teams You want to see AN alabama
Speaker 1: Player pop against, Lsu or Florida, or whatever and for
Speaker 1: oregon you want To see him, Popping Against for this
Speaker 1: here ohio state and They're on The road Against. Washington
Speaker 1: and Utah and stanford that's where caveon is. Going To
Speaker 1: make a difference because i'm a little Bit. Worried about
Speaker 1: offense for Oregon But, if you, have kevon thibodeau you
Speaker 1: know pressuring quarterbacks and, generating fumbles and changing fields which,
Speaker 1: he can single handedly do. It's it's a game changer
Speaker 1: and that's why he'll be picked. Probably in the top,
Speaker 1: five and is the clear CLEAR best edge rusher That
Speaker 1: i Have seen at oregon since i've been a fan for,
Speaker 1: the past whatever it. Is, twenty some, odd years, yeah
Speaker 1: big Dude, SIX five, two fifty yeah i, mean somewhat
Speaker 1: of a tweener but playing it that it's a great
Speaker 1: size for that stand up edge rusher right. Where he
Speaker 1: HAS the speed, but like i you know there were
Speaker 1: some clips of him in the spring game this Past
Speaker 1: weekend going up against oregon's like fourteenth year left tackle
Speaker 1: AND he was, giving up i don't know eighty five
Speaker 1: ninety one hundred pounds to the dude and just knocked.
Speaker 1: Him back, with one hand so crazy explosive and is still. Scarily,
Speaker 1: Not at his potential.
Speaker 2: Yeah and if you watch any of the draft coverge over,
Speaker 2: the last couple of days they kept talking about, how
Speaker 2: HAVING that edge, rusher or i should say how having
Speaker 2: a lack of edge rushers in this year's half, class
Speaker 2: could make things interesting, not just in twenty twenty but
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one when more teams are. In the
Speaker 2: market for one so clearly there will be, a market
Speaker 2: for his, services if not at one.
Speaker 1: Probably, IN the, top three yeah i, mean and just,
Speaker 1: like whatever well you want Whoever You want To Pick
Speaker 1: chase Young Or Miles, garrett or von mill, like, he's
Speaker 1: a gravity dude right you have to pay. SO much,
Speaker 1: attention to him i Mean We saw it with chase.
Speaker 1: Young in an unbelievable way He's Bigger. Built than keave,
Speaker 1: on thibodeau but you know it's it's that it's a
Speaker 1: rare jewel. To have somebody like that And Just, Like
Speaker 1: you with kyle hamilton i'm never going to Be the
Speaker 1: same as an Oregon Fan without Having kve On. THIBODEAU
Speaker 1: and green. And yellow, I like it.
Speaker 2: All, Right we're we're Right Next let's Stick with ohio
Speaker 2: state Because Oregon he is playing, ohio State in week
Speaker 2: two which i'm both.
Speaker 1: Crazy excited and Terrified For, i'm GOING to, Garrett wilson
Speaker 1: who i know chris o'lave gets a lot of the
Speaker 1: attention just because he's been doing it For. Longer For
Speaker 1: The buck eyes but garret wilson at, receiver not a
Speaker 1: huge dude but was a five star and completely justified
Speaker 1: that five star rating. Coming out of high school SIX
Speaker 1: foot one ninety and i think, was technically their most
Speaker 1: well it depends, on how you define it but he
Speaker 1: had More yards per, catch than olave. Last year so
Speaker 1: crazy explosive majority of the time he did, play out
Speaker 1: of the slot which is scary. Just in terms of
Speaker 1: versatility he does have a new quarterback and it. Is
Speaker 1: a position dependent position i'm not terribly worried about WHAT.
Speaker 2: We.
Speaker 1: Assume will be cj, stroud it's a you know he's.
Speaker 1: The guy Popping right now he and olave, out of
Speaker 1: a crazy Deep, wide receiver room in columbus and just
Speaker 1: every box, Is sort of checked right like. He's six foot, one,
Speaker 1: ninety but you're like well he's got. To win fifty
Speaker 1: fifty battles he's got to go up and get balls
Speaker 1: because it's. Not, huge for a receiver oh he. Was
Speaker 1: a star basketball player oh He's Already, proven it at
Speaker 1: ohio state and, just so, flashing those elements you know
Speaker 1: the ability to get Off jams at the line i'm.
Speaker 1: Not worried at ALL. About, and so if cj stroud
Speaker 1: we presume is anywhere near Where The past couple of,
Speaker 1: Ohio State quarterbacks Have Been, ryan day and kevin wilson
Speaker 1: will find a Number Of ways to get garrett wilson
Speaker 1: the ball In. Space against Teams like oregon, they're AT
Speaker 1: indiana this year Which I. Just Never Discount tom allen
Speaker 1: defense's penn state down obviously, some playmakers from last year
Speaker 1: and They're. On the road Against michigan but that's a,
Speaker 1: michigan team with you know new DEFENSIVE minds controlling things which.
Speaker 1: I Can Get into shortly so garrett wilson is just
Speaker 1: one OF those fun dudes that I could even see
Speaker 1: supplanting chris o'lave in terms of draft order because his. Athletic,
Speaker 1: Ceiling Is crazy.
Speaker 2: High well ohio state has what the top two, Receivers, in, college.
Speaker 1: Football arguably yeah absolutely. BETWEEN wilson and a lave i
Speaker 1: mean it would. You would be Hard pressed depending on
Speaker 1: what alabama, Looks Like with You know bryce young and
Speaker 1: bill O'Brien running things and what they get, out of
Speaker 1: their receivers there it's very. Difficult to Find A duo
Speaker 1: we hope justin ross comes Back, at full, STRENGTH for clemson.
Speaker 1: BUT man i don't know i don't know which duo
Speaker 1: in the country is competing With, With o' lobby and wilson.
Speaker 2: So he'll have more than enough Opportunity To get his
Speaker 2: at ohio state, and with a, new quarterback like you
Speaker 2: said they'll. Be, fine at quarterback ultimately well.
Speaker 1: Because, they're, both gravitational dudes too right you can't just
Speaker 1: can't or can't. Focus, on one of them Yeah well
Speaker 1: that should be. That, should be pretty Scary Sorry rest
Speaker 1: Of The Big? Ten and dan's oregon? Ducks who else you?
Speaker 2: Got?
Speaker 1: YOU and GO again yeah I Mean i Mentioned. THAT
Speaker 1: ohio state's at michigan I Want, to talk about aiden
Speaker 1: hutchinson who's a fascinating Player. To Me because so michigan
Speaker 1: so hutchinson. Breaks his leg last year he had come.
Speaker 1: On strong in twenty nineteen, But This is you know
Speaker 1: don brown, defense as we're Talking about and now AS
Speaker 1: michigan moves on to i think, more of a specific
Speaker 1: defense a lot, more three four one gapping which is
Speaker 1: Always Nice for guys like aiden hutchinson who can both
Speaker 1: get after the. Quarterback And stop the run aiden hutchinson
Speaker 1: should have. A monster year this year he played more
Speaker 1: outside Linebacker In the way that. Cavon thibodeau made That
Speaker 1: transition he's bigger, than thibodeaux. At six six. Two seventy he's. A,
Speaker 1: LEGACY his dad is actually i. Don't Know if you
Speaker 1: remember aiden hutchinson was in the news talking about how
Speaker 1: his DAD was weighing In On covid Stuff And. Kevin
Speaker 1: WARREN and mile carditis and i always like when players
Speaker 1: are sort of not, shying away from The Spotlight and
Speaker 1: that's what. Aiden hutchinson has been doing he needs to keep.
Speaker 1: Flashing more on the edge and you know has tantalizing
Speaker 1: size right six six two seventy as a college like.
Speaker 1: HYBRID end and outside linebacker i think the big thing
Speaker 1: is going to be how quickly Can the entirety of
Speaker 1: the Michigan front Pick up, On, it's what, mike McDonald,
Speaker 1: Okay forget no it's right i'm going to do that for.
Speaker 1: An Extended Period, of time and mo. Linguist the co,
Speaker 1: Defensive coordinator it's you know quitti pay has gone and
Speaker 1: there are guys who have shown in an amazing level of
Speaker 1: Talent Up, front guys like donovan jeter but they got
Speaker 1: pushed around Last Year and so healthy, aiden hutchinson, At
Speaker 1: that size, you know, i've seen him you know mid to,
Speaker 1: end of the first. Round maybe. Early second rounds it
Speaker 1: does none, of that matters right now but he Is
Speaker 1: going to be if michigan is going to get back
Speaker 1: to where they Were Under. The best of don brown
Speaker 1: he might be the biggest reason. That it needs to
Speaker 1: have he's like the anchor essentially at. This point of that. Defense,
Speaker 1: so A, fascinating player okay, and michigan By the. Way
Speaker 1: they Have, washington Early They're, at wisconsin at penn State And.
Speaker 1: They do host ohio state so that's if. He's popping
Speaker 1: against those teams we're talking top. Fifteen, PICK something like
Speaker 1: that yeah I Want to.
Speaker 2: Talk about sam hall please samhowse six' One Two twenty
Speaker 2: five quarterback north carolina thirty eight, touchdowns as a true.
Speaker 2: Freshman had thirty, last year as. A sophomore he got
Speaker 2: better his completion percentage jumped seven percent from sixty one
Speaker 2: percent up to sixty eight percent through for almost as
Speaker 2: many yards in, twenty twenty as twenty nineteen and, that's
Speaker 2: with eighty fewer attempts so still a. Very very top
Speaker 2: level talent probably the. Best quarterback in this.
Speaker 1: Class, it's an interesting, question yeah in my view the.
Speaker 2: Best quarterback in this Class It's either him Or Spencer, rattler.
Speaker 1: Or Apparently tyler buckner. But tyler, Buckner's not eligible.
Speaker 2: Not eligible maybe. They'll grant. Him.
Speaker 1: A waiver we'll see great.
Speaker 2: The offensive line should be fine and. Keep him upright
Speaker 2: and protected it is pretty much a full reboot at
Speaker 2: running back and. At the wide receiver spots that. Will
Speaker 2: be interesting to see to have that kind of. Production
Speaker 2: walk out the door what can he do with the
Speaker 2: new cast of characters around him that that may be
Speaker 2: the only thing he has yet to. Prove at, the,
Speaker 2: collegiate level everything. Else though it's all there he, can
Speaker 2: make all the throws he can do all the things
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 1: Need a quarterback to, do.
Speaker 2: MAYBE a little undersize but i think THE prototype for
Speaker 2: what an nfl quarterback is just from a size perspective
Speaker 2: that sort of went out.
Speaker 1: The window a, while Ago, good.
Speaker 2: Acc schedule no clemson. Which is nice for him he
Speaker 2: does Have A road tilt against virginia tech. To open
Speaker 2: Up The, year he's Got, Florida state He's Got. Miami
Speaker 2: he's got notre dame so he'll have an opportunity to
Speaker 2: prove it again as he has two years running against
Speaker 2: some of the.
Speaker 1: Better teams on the.
Speaker 2: Schedule The only two things that, I'd point, to, with
Speaker 2: him first off again with so much, production walking out
Speaker 2: the door he's going to need to find his groove with.
Speaker 2: A new crop of players i don't know if that leads.
Speaker 2: To any drop in production we'll just. Have to wait
Speaker 2: and See the other thing is i've read that he's
Speaker 2: got a tendency at to lock onto receivers and. NOT
Speaker 2: work through his progressions i feel like we hear that
Speaker 2: about nearly every college quarterback. Going to the next level
Speaker 2: it's something. They Need, to work on trevor lawrence Honestly
Speaker 2: is the only guy i've. Never Heard that criticism about.
Speaker 2: So sam how no different he's going to have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to make. Himself, Better, in that department otherwise. Dan
Speaker 2: the numbers are there there's just there's so much. To
Speaker 2: love about his, game he's got great, feet he moves
Speaker 2: really well. Sometimes a little, too well, maybe you should
Speaker 2: you know hang in the pocket a little, longer and
Speaker 2: set his feet but.
Speaker 1: He just he's so good he. Throws.
Speaker 2: A terrific deep, ball again from my money the top
Speaker 2: quarterback in the. Class in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Two i'm NOT so sure i'm as i dug into
Speaker 1: the numbers a little bit when you told me the
Speaker 1: guys that you were, looking at the Performance Against granted,
Speaker 1: AN excellent, notre dame defense i Mean How many points
Speaker 1: Did Notre dame or did north carolina excuse me score
Speaker 1: in the second half of A seventeen all, GAME at
Speaker 1: i get it? I get any zero points he was
Speaker 1: seventeen of.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven in that game it was not his best
Speaker 2: game by, any, Stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: Right and so we're talking about numbers. Against an acc,
Speaker 1: defensive slate that is fine but the one true killer
Speaker 1: they played against zero second half points does not do
Speaker 1: Much For me. FROM a sam howell perspective i dug
Speaker 1: against some. Of the advanced numbers too there's not. A particularly.
Speaker 1: Explosive PASSING offense they're efficient they i think were a
Speaker 1: top fifteen offense in terms of passes to running backs.
Speaker 1: Or passes into the backfield so it's. A lot of short,
Speaker 1: stuff it's crazy explosive passing but, fortieth air yards per
Speaker 1: pass so you're not seeing as and, this is with
Speaker 1: experienced receivers maybe not seeing as much downfield. As you
Speaker 1: would have liked and so that concerns me a little
Speaker 1: Bit That it's, like a russell, westbrook effect like chasing,
Speaker 1: rebound like maybe the number the counting totals, aren't fully
Speaker 1: the full story. Not fully The Full. Story that's great
Speaker 1: english dan. HE'S obviously very very good i just worry
Speaker 1: that it's such a quarterback friendly offense and had so
Speaker 1: much skill around him that we are going to see
Speaker 1: as clear as day what he's like when he has to. Be,
Speaker 1: the clear only reason no there's guys that, are going
Speaker 1: to come in and you know that we're so promising early.
Speaker 1: Last year, AS rotation. GUYS but man i am i
Speaker 1: am just Fascinated And so curious about sam howell this
Speaker 1: year because completing damn near. Seventy, percent of your, passes
Speaker 1: again he's probably more it's, probably like sixty two percent
Speaker 1: but he just had so many layups in. Terms of the.
Speaker 1: PASSING game it's it's fascinating i, keep Saying the same
Speaker 1: thing but i'd like to see him, go downfield a
Speaker 1: bit more let me close out my slate Of Five.
Speaker 2: By. Talking About, des, Ridder, please desmond ridder quarterback. Cincinnati six'
Speaker 2: four two fifteen we were both stunned when we did
Speaker 2: our pre Draft live stream seven thirty On Thursday night
Speaker 2: to see that des ridder is so high.
Speaker 1: In some of.
Speaker 2: These twenty, TWENTY two mock drafts in one, i think
Speaker 2: he was third OVERALL pick first and FOREMOST before i
Speaker 2: get into. How i feel about that PERSONALLY definitely speaks
Speaker 2: to where the nfl. Is at as a quarterback league
Speaker 2: you've got a guy with his, measurables against six' four.
Speaker 2: Two fifteen can run like the wind there's a lot of.
Speaker 2: Reason TO be Excited About. THAT player and i like
Speaker 2: des ridder i liked him demonstrably more than. You last
Speaker 2: year if memory. Serves yep he's got crazy physical tools
Speaker 2: any quarterback that's got these kind of physical. Tools deserves
Speaker 2: To be in this discussion he was cincinnati's leading rusher
Speaker 2: in terms of yardage in. Terms of touchdowns yewelve touchdowns
Speaker 2: last year copletion percentage eleven points higher. In twenty twenty
Speaker 2: than in twenty nineteen he had, a little, bit of.
Speaker 2: A sophomore slump super coachable very talented the fact that
Speaker 2: HE got better.
Speaker 1: In a weird year i think.
Speaker 2: Speaks VOLUMES to what he can do so i look forward.
Speaker 2: To seeing him improve again the season cincinnati. Should have
Speaker 2: a really good, Team AGAIN what scares me is this,
Speaker 2: the nfl Is a pass first league and des. Ritter
Speaker 2: is not a pass. First quarterback he's still a raw.
Speaker 2: PASSER maybe he'll, go nuts this year i don't know
Speaker 2: but my guess is that we're going to see him
Speaker 2: run a, lot of what we saw last year a,
Speaker 2: lot of what we, saw last year him on the,
Speaker 2: move him making plays with his feet and that's going
Speaker 2: to leave the Same questions about his. Passing GAME that
Speaker 2: i've had all. ALONG so i like a skill set
Speaker 2: i need. TO see more in the passing department i
Speaker 2: can't possibly, justify taking.
Speaker 1: Him in the top ten. As some. Of these mock drafts.
Speaker 2: Had it's tough he's a project player maybe you draft
Speaker 2: him if you've, got another veteran in front of him.
Speaker 2: IF he can come in and learn i still remain
Speaker 2: skeptical that his passing GAME.
Speaker 1: IS going to translate to. The nfl i.
Speaker 2: Just Don't see it He's certainly. Not lamar jackson. Is
Speaker 2: different calber altogether so WE'LL see this is the project
Speaker 2: that I am very interested in, seeing how nfl teams,
Speaker 2: GRADE him out because as of now I. Don't see
Speaker 2: it translating to the, nfl it doesn't mean it's not
Speaker 2: possible it doesn't mean he won't grow by leaps. AND
Speaker 2: bounds GOING into twenty twenty one i just i need
Speaker 2: to PUMP the brakes on a guy. THAT i already
Speaker 2: like a, great deal.
Speaker 1: I do see some similarities not this is not a
Speaker 1: Direct Comparison to. What the evaluation of justin, herbert was
Speaker 1: where A Good size, arm he doesn't have justin, Herbert's
Speaker 1: arm but good size in general desmond matter is, What six'
Speaker 1: four six Four Two fifteen and The Big knock on,
Speaker 1: justin herbert wasn't about justin herbert per se but was
Speaker 1: about didn't, really have true killers out wide at receiver
Speaker 1: was in a System That didn't fully take advantage of What.
Speaker 1: Justin HERBERT was able to do at, oregon so i
Speaker 1: understand from a YOU know the prototype right now in the,
Speaker 1: nfl as somebody who is athletic at quarterback who Can
Speaker 1: Buy time Everybody Sees, Like guys like, patrick mahomes And
Speaker 1: Russell wilson guys like that, even though russell wilson doesn't
Speaker 1: have the size you're looking for, that next, guy who
Speaker 1: is such a good crazy athlete who perhaps his stock
Speaker 1: is not where it should be just because of where
Speaker 1: he's playing and you. Know The, surrounding cast that he
Speaker 1: is with and cincinnati, for as strong as they were
Speaker 1: last year they, didn't have a crazy scary player Out
Speaker 1: Wide all Due Respect. To WAS it Michael young and.
Speaker 1: JAYSHAWN jackson so i am i'm exceedingly Curious I say that.
Speaker 1: A lot, now about desmond ritter to justify i, mean
Speaker 1: it's not like he started the hype. But this was not,
Speaker 1: a DOWNFIELD passing team they finished ninety third and i have,
Speaker 1: it right in here. In passing marginal explosiveness and that
Speaker 1: is correct. But he completed a lot of shorter stuff,
Speaker 1: But your precious per past seventy eighth. NATIONALLY so perhaps
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily on, him A receivers might not be
Speaker 1: getting separation but i'd like. To see him test a
Speaker 1: little bit more i'd like to see that they went
Speaker 1: three and out as an. Offense a little bit too
Speaker 1: often for me and this year with We'll See. What
Speaker 1: happens to the defense without, marcus freeman maybe they're involved
Speaker 1: in more shootouts maybe he's counted. On to go downfield
Speaker 1: a little. Bit, more but it caught me by surprise
Speaker 1: similarly just because. HE'S physically that guy and was pretty
Speaker 1: accurate i, just, in, watching him never thought to. Myself
Speaker 1: Oh yeah here's a, FIRST round quarterback and I'M, NOT
Speaker 1: a scout i am not a gm i. Am a
Speaker 1: dumb dumb most. Of, THE time just took, Me, BY
Speaker 1: surprise yeah i.
Speaker 2: Think that's fair dan i think that's Fair. And again we're.
Speaker 2: NOT rooting against Des ritter i'm certainly. Not i like
Speaker 2: des ridder a great deal i'm excited to see. What
Speaker 2: he can do in, TWENTY twenty one but.
Speaker 1: It's just it happens i mean almost annually where there's
Speaker 1: a quarterback that, is in this, This Discussion, Where you're
Speaker 1: Like really. This guy daniel jones okay that i'm Not
Speaker 1: This is not a direct Comparison Because desmond rinter, has
Speaker 1: the opportunity that daniel jones does not which is another
Speaker 1: year in, college. When we're having this? Conversation just fascinating
Speaker 1: fascinating who's your last guy we'll stick with impressive size
Speaker 1: tie pro, transition pro segue with the most, Impressive Size,
Speaker 1: perhaps of anybody in college football evan neil Who should
Speaker 1: be the starting left tackle for alabama. At six seven
Speaker 1: three sixty.
Speaker 2: Six?
Speaker 1: SEVEN sixty what are. You Supposed to do i guess be.
Speaker 1: Amazing evan neil was and all everything recruits he, was
Speaker 1: too good to keep off, the field played at guard
Speaker 1: his freshman. Year, was a starting right tackle last year
Speaker 1: alabama of course is down key dudes next to Him
Speaker 1: Who are on that Line and Land In dickerson who
Speaker 1: won The, rimington and Alex leatherwood. Who won the outland
Speaker 1: both all american dudes he should be. More moving over
Speaker 1: to left tackle this. Year is an absolute mountain Of,
Speaker 1: a guy and the fascinating thing, with alabama my fun
Speaker 1: WORD of the day fascinating is they've got i think
Speaker 1: the two. BEST Tackles coming in as blue chip GUYS
Speaker 1: jc latham is the big name who I Think might slide.
Speaker 1: To right tackle with Evan Neil going, left AND in
Speaker 1: terms of evan neil's season and i mean we're talking
Speaker 1: New Offensive line coach, New offensive coordinator and, doug moron
Speaker 1: offensive line bill O'Brien offensive Coordinator And. A much more
Speaker 1: mobile Quarterback Than, mac jones all due respect to mac
Speaker 1: jones maybe the most. Lethal Lethally efficient quarterback in college
Speaker 1: football history bryce young is going to make the lives
Speaker 1: of his offensive line more difficult if he's running around buying,
Speaker 1: time because he's. Certainly, a much, more athletic athletically gifted
Speaker 1: quarterback otherwise no surprise the. Passing game should have been
Speaker 1: A Good, shape the Running Game, even Without najee. Harris
Speaker 1: it'll be brian robinson. MAYBE jace McClellan they're going to.
Speaker 1: Be FANTASTIC i have no Doubt About, that and i
Speaker 1: guess just for EVAN neil it's playing. Left tackle in
Speaker 1: the sec will be new he will. HAVE to, prove
Speaker 1: that he, has that combination i mean physically he's there
Speaker 1: but that combination of being both nimble AND flexible, and
Speaker 1: both strong and aggressive is i mean right tackle now,
Speaker 1: kind of seems as, important as. Left tackle, but all
Speaker 1: the same new position you know you're. Flipping Everything and
Speaker 1: new coaches and what's expected doug, maron comes in WITH.
Speaker 1: A ton of experience largely at the nfl but if
Speaker 1: you remember his What, now appears to be. BETTER tenure
Speaker 1: At syracuse winning eight games twice, i think, alabama's Offensive
Speaker 1: Line is in incredible incredible shape and evan neil is just.
Speaker 1: The next guy in line to be incredible Alabama has
Speaker 1: the new starting edge, rushers for Miami early on in
Speaker 1: the SEASON they're At. Florida at a and m lsu
Speaker 1: at auburn so if he's locking down edge rushers for any,
Speaker 1: of those teams or all of those teams he's going. To,
Speaker 1: be a top five, seven.
Speaker 2: Three pigs, well especially at that size at that size
Speaker 2: if you're talking, about the, AGGRESSION and athleticism at six.
Speaker 1: SEVEN three, sixty i can't stress. IT enough i. MEAN this,
Speaker 1: guy's the limit i don't know i mean all these
Speaker 1: guys that are playing tackle. That are Six Six sixty
Speaker 1: seven sixty eight. They Get Jonathan, ogden comps and that's
Speaker 1: fine but evan neil even if he, IF he can
Speaker 1: get down a little BIT i mean he's listed at
Speaker 1: three six i don't always, do you that three, forty
Speaker 1: five or. SOMETHING and playing left tackle he's crazy long. I, just,
Speaker 1: he's just gonna swallow people up. Yeah well and it's
Speaker 1: the reality of it.
Speaker 2: To come back to what you said before One Thing
Speaker 2: that you read a, lot about evan. Neil, is given
Speaker 2: his size he's surprisingly flexible yeah guy can move, and
Speaker 2: pretty much everybody he's going, up against at least, in
Speaker 2: the college game is smaller than him. So he's getting
Speaker 2: leverage on all those guys he's really good with, his
Speaker 2: hands to keep. Those guys off him and that helps,
Speaker 2: him against the smaller.
Speaker 1: Guys who are speedy he's.
Speaker 2: Able to just, push him to the side so you
Speaker 2: know everyone's. Got To get better as, a pass blocker
Speaker 2: evan neil included in that but he's so far ahead
Speaker 2: of the game given his size and the fact that
Speaker 2: he's got. Quickness and agility In ways that others don't
Speaker 2: so not that alabama needs. To get any better along
Speaker 2: the offensive line they had a couple, guys Drafted Already
Speaker 2: over the past few days but evan neil looks. To
Speaker 2: be the next stud along that line.
Speaker 1: And A big upset that a guy named, evan neil
Speaker 1: is not A red shirt freshman blue. Chip quarterback for georgia.
Speaker 1: True double, first name, it was his destiny oh well.
Speaker 2: All right so there you go a quick what ten
Speaker 2: pack of players that we've BEEN reading about in the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two nfl mock.
Speaker 1: Drafts that we have taken a. Look at ten, Piece,
Speaker 1: nuggets if you will ten. PIECE nuggets yeah, chrispy meaty
Speaker 1: facts and knowledge i don't?
Speaker 2: Know?
Speaker 1: Should we call this TEN piece nuggets, yeah, We, gotta
Speaker 1: get that seo in there though ty WE Got to
Speaker 1: Get like twenty twenty. Two, nfl draft look, ahead ten
Speaker 1: piece nuggets. OKAY longest show title yeah we've, ever used i. Will,
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Speaker 1: I got dan anything else for you no i'm going
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Speaker 1: acceptable dad second Lunch.
Speaker 2: I'll, eat some protein don't forget as dan. Said as
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Speaker 2: forward i don't know how you feel about the state of,
Speaker 2: the WORLD in the twenty twenty one season but i
Speaker 2: have felt for a couple months running now that there is. Light,
Speaker 2: at the end of the proverbial, tunnel no it is
Speaker 2: not an oncoming train. But it is hopefully some sense
Speaker 2: of normalcy as, college football fans going into the fall
Speaker 2: here it'll be exciting to kind of just get back
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Speaker 1: Back to normal with respect to college.
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