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Speaker 1: Hello, America and the rest of the world. I'm Robert Evans,

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Speaker 1: and this is yet another terrible introduction for the podcast

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Speaker 1: that exists that you're listening to. And it's called Behind

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Speaker 1: the Bastards and About Bad People. And that's the introduction, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: do you think that's a keeper? I mean, honestly better

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Speaker 1: than some of the ones you've done the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks, Like, well, I'll have to I'll have to

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Speaker 1: correct that and make it worse in the episode, he

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Speaker 1: just goes hitl oh my god. Well, you know my

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Speaker 1: guest today who you're hearing from is Teresa Lee. Teresa,

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Speaker 1: what's up? How's it going? But you're not I can

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Speaker 1: see you, and I am not. I'm in the East Coast,

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Speaker 1: which is terrible. Um, and it knows it in general.

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Speaker 1: You just hate the East Coast. Yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: West Coast, like the Yeah, exactly, We're we're we're all

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Speaker 1: West Coast elites on this podcast. Yes, elite, the three

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Speaker 1: how do they do the hacks or hacks? Are elite?

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Speaker 1: L No seven three three whatever? Don't at me? Okay,

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Speaker 1: not Teresa. You and I worked together, we did a

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Speaker 1: number of years at a website called Cracked where we

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Speaker 1: were we were East or West Coast elites together. Um

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Speaker 1: and uh and now uh. You have a podcast called

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Speaker 1: you Can Tell Me Anything, which I've guessed it on once. Um,

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Speaker 1: is there anything else you'd like to announce right now?

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Speaker 1: You also are professionally funny, um, which I think is

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Speaker 1: a cute dog named woo Shoe whose friends with it.

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Speaker 1: She has an adorable dog. I do have a dog. Um. Sure.

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Speaker 1: I besides being uh, professionally funny, I'm not never funny

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Speaker 1: if you're not paying me. By the way, but UM,

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Speaker 1: I have a short film, so yeah, if you guys

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Speaker 1: want check outs called I Think She Likes you It.

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Speaker 1: It came out like about a month ago, but you

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Speaker 1: know it's still out there and you can never spread

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Speaker 1: the word too much considering we have no marketing money.

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Speaker 1: But it's on YouTube, YouTube dot com slash. I think

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Speaker 1: she likes you. Well, we're going to I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 1: my listeners right now to do guerilla marketing for your show.

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Speaker 1: Go spray paint an m T a station, UM, burned

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Speaker 1: down house. Do you have some problem with me urging

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Speaker 1: people to do commit crimes on your behind? Teresa? Is

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Speaker 1: that something you don't like please uh please do not

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Speaker 1: commit crimes on my behalf. Not commit crimes on anyone's behalf.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, just stay in school. Cool, Teresa

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Speaker 1: saying that to be polite. This podcast is very pro crime. Okay,

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Speaker 1: get out there, break some laws, break some random laws.

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Speaker 1: Go jaywalking. It's a good time. It's safe. Yeah, blind,

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Speaker 1: e R doctor who sees you. Um, Teresa, have you

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Speaker 1: ever heard of Basil Zaharov? I don't think so. It

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Speaker 1: the last name again h A R O F F. No,

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Speaker 1: that was me bying time to try to think of

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Speaker 1: And you know what if that sounds like that's okay,

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Speaker 1: it's not im did. I had never heard of this

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Speaker 1: started researching him. Um, he's a fascinating figure. Um. He

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Speaker 1: has more nicknames than I think almost any historical figure

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Speaker 1: the Armament's King, the mystery Man of Europe, a whole

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Speaker 1: that sounds like like a drafts nickname. Yeah, like it

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Speaker 1: not currently sponsored by Raytheon. Um. You know, I I

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Speaker 1: I I happen to know, Teresa, that your podcasts have

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Speaker 1: Zacharias Basilius Zacharov was born in a small town in Anatolia,

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Speaker 1: they lived very well together in that nice apartment. Um,

425
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: but that was not to last very long. And in

426
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: a little bit, Teresa, I'm gonna tell you what happened next,

427
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: how Zaharov got arrested, and how his first time in

428
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: court went. But first, you know who won't lie to

429
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: women and claim to be a Russian prince? Who Raytheon? No,

430
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: they will make a missile that's nothing but vibes to

431
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: assassinate people in Afghanistan and Yemen. But they will not

432
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: pretend to be a Russian prince to romance British woman.

433
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean they would if they could. But Raytheon is

434
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: notoriously bad at faking a Russian accent. That's one thing

435
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: everyone knows. So we're off two ads. Uh, there, here

436
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: we go, We're back. The podcast returns. The ads are done,

437
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: so um, I'm gonna read another quote from the Bookman

438
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: at Arms about the early days of Basil's ill fated

439
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: marriage to miss Emily. Um quote In Hill Street, they

440
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: remained the bogus boyer ms Greenslade recalled who is this

441
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: woman's like niece? Years later, accompanying himself on the piano

442
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: and entertaining his wife and her niece with talk of

443
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: life on the steps and the gay goings on in

444
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: the court of St. Petersburg. The idol lasted little more

445
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 1: than a month, then sending trouble, perhaps a lit by

446
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: news from Constantinople, Zaharov uh persuaded his wife that it

447
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: was imperative they leave the country. He gave the impression

448
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: that he was engaged in important diplomatic missions for the

449
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: Russian government and had acquired enemies who are vetted by

450
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: the police. Were on his tail, accompanied always by the

451
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: woman relating the story this woman's niece. They moved to Brussels,

452
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: where they were royally treated. But unfortunately for Zaharov and

453
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: his new bride, the news of a wedding between this

454
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: Russian prince and the high society englishwoman had made international news,

455
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: and businessmen in Constantinople who sent him over to England

456
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: to make investments were really pissed to see this guy

457
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: that they knew was a Greek businessman living the high

458
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: life in England pretending to be a Russian prince. These

459
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: people he stole from basically see him in the paper

460
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: and are like, that's not a fucking Russian prince. Um. Yeah,

461
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: So these businessmen had sent Zaharov over to England with

462
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: about seven thousand pounds and merchandise and securities, which was

463
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: somewhere in the ballpark of one and a half million

464
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: U S dollars. Yeah, so he stole steals a lot

465
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: from these people. Um. They immediately sent a representative over

466
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: to London to file charges, which is why Zaharov had

467
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: felt the need to flee Britain in the first place.

468
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for him, England and Belgium had just signed one

469
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: of the world's first extradition treaties, and Prince Zaharov quickly

470
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: became the very first person arrested and extradite it under it.

471
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: So that's cool, Yeah, breaking new ground now. The new Princess,

472
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: his new wife, was not happy with this, but Zaharov

473
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: assured her it was all a terrible misunderstanding, just a

474
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: case of mistake and identity, and promised he would take

475
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: care of it very quickly if only her wealthy father

476
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: would help him with some of the legal bills in

477
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: the short term while he put matters to write and

478
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: got in touch with his royal family members back in Russia.

479
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: In December, he went to court charged with stealing twenty

480
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: cases of gum and a hundred and nine bags of

481
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: gall along with the theft of seven Yeah, that's not

482
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: what I expected. And yeah he stole like these were

483
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: like products they sent over as like samples that he

484
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: took with him and just sold in England, along with

485
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 1: seven thousand pounds worth of securities. Upon arrest, he had

486
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: been found with the securities in the form of twenty

487
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: four Turkish bonds and a loaded revolver. The court asked

488
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: Basil if he was often in the habit of traveling

489
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: with thousands of dollars of other people's money and a

490
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: loaded gun. He assured them that he had been traveling

491
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: with a revolver regularly since the age of seven, which

492
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: is a weird thing to brag to a court about

493
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: money and guns. Yeah, I don't, don't worry. I've had

494
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: a gun since I was a child, so you don't

495
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: have to worry. No, No, I got a gun when

496
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: I was a baby. It's fine, Yeah, don't don't. Don't

497
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: freak out. Um, And there's a court artist depiction of

498
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: him giving his deposition and it's pretty fucking great. Um.

499
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have Sophie show it to you now so

500
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: you can get a look at how the court artists

501
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: thought of this guy. Okay, let's see it. It looks

502
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: like he was like in a therapist office. Yeah, yeah,

503
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: I mean he's it's weird. Yeah, that waste is very thin.

504
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: His mustache and like beard or like pointed and like

505
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: very vibe. Yeah. Kind of like a cross between Captain

506
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: Hook and a New Yorker caricature of a fancy British person.

507
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So uh. There are again two stories as

508
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: to hold how this whole court case was resolved. Zaharov

509
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: would go to his grave claiming that he settled the

510
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: matter in court when he found a lost letter from

511
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: his uncle, the head of the firm that had hired him,

512
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: stating that he should take the bond money as payment

513
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: for his travel expenses and services rendered. Um and it

514
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: does seem to be true that the aggrieved party who

515
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: sued him was his uncle, but the rest of the

516
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: story is probably a lie. Court records note that Prince

517
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: Zaharov was declared guilty of embezzlement, but only sentenced to

518
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: pay about a hundred pounds and fines. This is likely

519
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: because he agreed to pay restitution to the people he

520
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: had robbed, or rather he got his new wife to

521
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: pay back the people he had stolen from. His biographer

522
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: notes quote. All that is clear is that Zaharov had

523
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: made a promise of at least partial rested Usian and

524
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: there is little doubt parental indulgence so recently overtaxed of

525
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: its probable source. Miss Zacharov, the late Princess Gortzakov knee Burrow.

526
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: So like his his his wife, who was pretending like

527
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: using the name Gortzakov, which was the fake name that

528
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: this guy used. Um, this in her husband's legal expenses.

529
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: According to her niece, swallowed up her aunt's money. UM.

530
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: So basically he has her pay the payback the people

531
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: he stole from, so he gets to keep the money. Um.

532
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: And then as soon as he's released from jail, he

533
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: flees England and abandons his wife. Uh and also abandoned

534
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: the contents. Well yeah, I mean, you're not really a

535
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: grifter if you don't abandon at least one wife. Yeah.

536
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: It's crazy that she I feel like she almost got

537
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: out of it before that, or you said she had

538
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: doubts before the second marriage. Yeah, it seems like that

539
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: that she was starting to realize this guy was shady

540
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: and then it's almost she had to just keep going

541
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, at this point, I wanted to

542
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: see it through. The sunk cost fallacy is a like

543
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: the romance. It makes fools of us all. So. Um, Now, obviously, today,

544
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: if you've got a grifter who gets in trouble in

545
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: one country and caught in a grift and tried in court,

546
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna flee to Mexico. That's just where you're gonna

547
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: go if you're a grifter in the modern era. But

548
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Mexico was not the place for grifters in the late

549
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, and so instead Prince Zaharov left for the

550
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: United States, which was the Mexico of the eighteen hundreds,

551
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: um in terms of being a place for grifters to

552
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: go and absolutely be able to get away with anything.

553
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, he gets on a boat fox off to

554
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: North America. He never divorced Emily. He basically just abandoned

555
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: her to her family after taking all of their money.

556
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: Um so, uh, yeah, that's that's cool. Well sorry, I

557
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: should say he went to Cyprus, Like yeah, it's it's

558
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: cool stuff. Um so yeah, like it's very complicated. This

559
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: guy is like the the mo the movements. This guy

560
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: goes through. But after like some time in North America,

561
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: he goes to Cyphrus, this tiny Grecian island, and he

562
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: found a business. And he starts a series of small enterprises,

563
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: operating a gradually expanding number of shops and importing exotic

564
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: food stuffs. Um And as his finances gradually improved, he

565
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: started going back and forth to England again. Um and

566
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: he never met with his wife um like like he

567
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: like would hide from her every time he was back

568
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: in England on business. Um. By the early eighteen hundreds,

569
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: he took on a few small jobs selling rifles to

570
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: the government um and like he didn't like at this

571
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: point really like take up arms dealing as a major trade,

572
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: but it was certainly something he was willing to do

573
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of. Um. He sold Linen's too. He

574
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: catered barracks is for the British Army. His company laid

575
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: down telegraph poles and train tracks. He got involved with

576
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: shipping and was constantly investing in different markets during his

577
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: trips to London. He lived pretty well off of this,

578
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: but his businesses were constantly in one sort of debt

579
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: or another, and his profits were already always in the

580
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: process of being reinvested into a new enterprise, he hatched

581
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: a scheme to get the British government to let him

582
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: run the development of Cypherus, which they controlled thanks to

583
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: a shaky treaty deal with Russia and the Ottoman Empire

584
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: government let him develop this island he was trying to.

585
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: He was trying to he failed out. Um. So England

586
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: was kind of like in control of Cypherus due to

587
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: these like weird series of political events, and he was

588
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: trying to get them to like develop the island and

589
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: let him run it. Um. But that didn't end up working. Um.

590
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: Neither did a series of like business ventures in Alexandria

591
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: and then France and then back to the Mediterranean coast. Um.

592
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: And trying to keep track of all his businesses and

593
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: plots in this period is like impossible. Um, there's just

594
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: so much ship going on and like so much doubt

595
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: about it. What matters is that he was a serial entrepreneur.

596
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: He's one of these guys that always has an angle,

597
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: always has a business he's trying, always has an investment

598
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: going on. Um. And yeah, he was successful enough at

599
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: this that he was able to dress well and live

600
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: come doably and put on the image of being wealthy,

601
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: but he was also always on the edge of disaster

602
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: and always had most of his assets invested into the

603
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: next big thing. Um have you seen Uncut Gems? No,

604
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: this reminds me of that movie. Yeah, he's just constantly

605
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Adam sand there's characters like constantly just like getting in

606
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: higher stakes gambling debt and he'll like finally get it

607
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: back to pay someone, but instead of paying it back,

608
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna gamble this on this new game

609
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: and then I'll make even more and you we'll both

610
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: get paid. And he's just doing it more and more,

611
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: and then at the end, well, I won't give it away,

612
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: but you know, gambling, you can you can assume that

613
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: it's how gambling happens, what happens when Yeah, generally this

614
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: is kind of that story. But for him, when he

615
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: gambles too much, it helps start World War One. Um,

616
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: so a little bit more high stakes. Wow, Okay, so

617
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: we're going there. Okay, cool, Yeah, that's where this ship goes.

618
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: Um So, Basil built a reputation as a man of scandal,

619
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: and he left behind a constant stream of sobbing women

620
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: and outraged families. Um, I'm gonna read you now a

621
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: letter that he sent while he was in a hotel

622
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: in Paris to one of his business partners. And this

623
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: letter kind of gives you some insight into the way

624
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: he conducted his relationships. Um. And he's talking in this

625
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: about like two women he met at the hotel and

626
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: and slept with. Quote, Uh, Miss Jehren, whom I was

627
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: fool enough to poke a few times immediately after my

628
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: arrival at the hotel, had her knife in me and

629
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: Miss mccraith from my giving her up with the ladder.

630
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: You appear to be under the impression that Miss mccraith

631
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: was divorced and I might marry her. You were wrong.

632
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: I would not do so if she had millions. I

633
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: poked her because it was my caprice. I poke her still,

634
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: and when I want to change, I shall give her up.

635
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm under no obligations to her family, as she cost

636
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: me what an average whore would do, and I pay

637
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: her in one way or another. And I have no

638
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: doubt that if another man chose to court her and

639
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 1: pay for it, he could have her if he paid

640
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: more than me, and she would turn me up. This

641
00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: is the guy way this guy talks about, Oh my god, yeah,

642
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: he's pretty gross. So shortly after yeah, I didn't even

643
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: realize that I don't know people. It just seems very

644
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: current to be like a poked her. Yeah, it's weird

645
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: to hear in like an eight you expect people to

646
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, what's a fancy way to

647
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: say fuck, I lay with you know, stooped. It's not

648
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: fancy at all. So shortly after writing this, Zaharov fell ill.

649
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: He was diagnosed with anemia, and it's impossible to know

650
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: what ailment he actually had because eighteen seventies medicine was

651
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: basically drunk guessing. His description of his doctor's orders for

652
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: how to treat this ailment as entertaining, though quote I

653
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: am to avoid the least excitement, to take gentle exercise

654
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: and avoid all stairs. And if I want to kill myself,

655
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: I am to have a woman. This last is strictly enforced.

656
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: I am to give up women altogether, and in fact

657
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: avoid them so as to not get excited. His doctor

658
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: says he's got to stop sucking after you. So it's

659
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: a dick disease. He probably go on STD because they

660
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: were like and they said he can't. He can't get excited,

661
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: not because of the heart, but because of his dick.

662
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: Because so maybe his burns and he when it gets

663
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: hard it hurts, might have gotten some of that chlamydias.

664
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. Poke disease. Yeah, he was poking too much,

665
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: and his doctor said he had to stop it with

666
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: the poke in. So whatever illness actually affected him, Basil

667
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: Zaharov eventually recovered and continued his unsuccessful bouncing around the

668
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: Mediterranean in search of a big score. By eighteen eighty four,

669
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: he'd given up on this quest and decided to take

670
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: leave of the continent for good and try his luck

671
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: in the United States of America. Um, and I'm not

672
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: going to kill myself by giving you an itemized list

673
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: of every con and legitimate business that he dipped his

674
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: fingers into. The Smithsonian magazine gives a pretty good overview

675
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: of Basil's time in the United States. Quote it appears

676
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: that he was the Count Zaharov who in Utah in

677
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty four claimed to be in possession of four

678
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: black diamonds that played a celebrated part in Turko Russian War,

679
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: and who a year later caused a small scandal in

680
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: Missouri by associating it with the notorious Madam Pearl Clifford,

681
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful soiled doves ever known in St.

682
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Louis were working as a superintendent of a local railway

683
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: sleeping car company. He was certainly the Count Zaharov who

684
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: hastily promoting himself to the imminence of Prince Zacharias Basilia

685
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: Saharov married the New York heiress Genie Billings for her

686
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars and her expectations later in

687
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty five. So he bounces around like sells like

688
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: like gets involved in some sort of scheme pretending that

689
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: he has like these historic diamonds. Um, like runs a

690
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: railway sleeping car company at some point. Like he's just

691
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: constantly involved in these like weird little get rich quick schemes. Um.

692
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: And then he marries this New York heiress uh and

693
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: steals her money. UM. So yeah, um, he definitely has

694
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: a pattern. UM. And I found a like a quote

695
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: from the Maha Daily b Um like an article at

696
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: the time, like written about him at the time that

697
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: describes his modus operandi during this period. Quote, he maintained

698
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: a high social position by means of letters from prominent

699
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: society people which purported to be genuine, and had a

700
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: library full of documents which he claimed were written to

701
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: him by European dignitaries. He claimed to be a nephew

702
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: of Prince Gortchakov, and told a remarkable story of his

703
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: banishment by the Tsar. At one point, he created a

704
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: considerable commotion among the set here in which he moved

705
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: by threatening to go abroad and fight a duel with

706
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: a Prussian prince who dared to insult his mother. So

707
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: it's the same kind of lie, Like I mean, there's

708
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: no Internet, so you just go over to America and

709
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: just try a new set of lies on a new

710
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: set of people. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's almost

711
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: like the bigger the lie, the less like he thinks, like,

712
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: the less likely. It's like you think, like, oh, someone

713
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't lie about something that big, Like you could easily

714
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: find out if he was a prince so capitalized, so

715
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: let's not look and do it at all. Yeah, exactly, Like, well,

716
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: if he was a prince, we would know that. If

717
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't really a prince, it would be someone was saying, yeah,

718
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: I do feel like in that period of time in America,

719
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: if you had an accent that was vaguely European, most

720
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: people would believe that you were royalty as long as

721
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: long as you wore a suit. I think even like

722
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: when I studied abroad with in college, it was like

723
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: the girls weren't crazy for accents. It's like, you know,

724
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: just have an accent. You could still be a bad,

725
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: bad person. The Gauls still be mean to you, but

726
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: they're like, no, the European accent, they're perfect and you know,

727
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: can do no wrong better than American man. Oh yeah,

728
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean you can get away with anything if you

729
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: have the right kind of British acts. If you have

730
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: the wrong kind of British accent, you can't get away

731
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: with anything. Um real crapshoot being English. So um yeah.

732
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: Basil's scamming in America worked out well for a while,

733
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: but as always, he was eventually found out. Uh. This

734
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: time it was by a Philadelphia businessman who happened across

735
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: another newspaper article announcing his marriage in New York. Like

736
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: that this woman in New York was getting married to

737
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: this Russian prince. Um. So this wedding between in the

738
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: Russian prince and a wealthy socialite was once again big news. Uh.

739
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: And unfortunately for Basil. The businessman who came across this

740
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: was originally from Bristol and was like, didn't I read

741
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: a news article about a Russian prince marrying a rich

742
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: woman and then that guy got arrested for like stealing

743
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: a shipload of money. Um. So this guy reaches out

744
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: to Basil's first wife over in England and her family

745
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: starts an international manhunt to arrest this bigamist um. And yeah,

746
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: so Basil has to flee the United States for again.

747
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: So he's now fled two countries um for marrying rich

748
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: woman and stealing their money while pretending to be a

749
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: Russian prince. Um. But he got out just ahead of

750
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: the authorities. He managed to make it back to Europe

751
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: as the law was closing in on him. Um. He

752
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: left behind his wife and a pile of debts once again,

753
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: and by eighty five he was back in the Balkans

754
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: working for an old employer of his named Thorsten nordon Felt.

755
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Now norton Felt ran a sizeable arms company. He was

756
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: a weapons manufacturer and he was one of a number

757
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: of up and coming business is that we're selling ever

758
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: deadlier guns to the armies of Europe. Norton Felt had

759
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: employed Basil as a salesman briefly back in eighteen seventy seven,

760
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: but the two had fallen out of touch over the years,

761
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: as Basil had fucked and scammed his way across multiple continents.

762
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: But now that Zaharov was back and looking for work,

763
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Norton felt arms seemed as good a place to make

764
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: money as any And it's here we should talk a

765
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: little bit about the global armaments industry. Um, it didn't

766
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: really exist for most of history. Early firearms were like

767
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: artisanal tools. Each one was made by hand by like

768
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: an artisan um and so like you couldn't really have

769
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: gigantic gun companies in the same way you do now

770
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: because you needed like some some dude like manufacturing. Yeah,

771
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't really possible with like early arms. Um, you know,

772
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: some firearms makers were like larger and more successful and

773
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: like hired a lot of these artisans. But like international

774
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: arms conglomerates the way we know them did not exist

775
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: at the time, which is a shame because it means

776
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: that the good people of the late eighteen hundreds couldn't

777
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: enjoy the fine products that the Raytheon Corporation makes. Like

778
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: that knife missile I told you about. I bet there's

779
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: a thousand things you could use a knife missile for.

780
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: To reason weapons person, you know, I like to get

781
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: my weapons at the farmer's market. I just think I

782
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: like to look someone in the eyes when I'm buying

783
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: a killing machine. You know, I want to be like,

784
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: I want to know the hands, you know, I want

785
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: to touch the hands that that made it. I like

786
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: twine guns, you know that makes sense. Farm to table drones, Yeah,

787
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: like I see me where these drones free range. I

788
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: want my drones to be played classical music while they're

789
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: being made. I I only local bullets. I am not

790
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: going to like yeah, I'm not. I don't want to

791
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: murder the environment, just these random people I've decided to

792
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: my enemies. Yeah, well, if you and joy artisanal killing machines,

793
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: then will enjoy the fine products and services that support

794
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: this podcast. We're back so talking about the arms industry

795
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds. I'm going to read a

796
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: quote from Smithsonian magazine kind of laying out the state

797
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: of the industry at the time. It was not then

798
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: a huge industry. Best known was perhaps Alfred Krupp, the

799
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: cannon maker of sen at Ten. He inherited a modest

800
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: iron foundry from the old Frederick Krupp, who had started

801
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: in in eighteen three. At fourteen, Alfred went into the

802
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: business and slowly took over its direction. Cannon were made

803
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: of copper. Alfred perfected a solid, crucible steel block from

804
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: which he made cannon, but he had not yet perfected

805
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: any projectile capable of penetrating the transigent mentality of military bureaucrats.

806
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: Cannon were made of copper had always been it must

807
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: always be hair. Krupp learned from the start that the

808
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: way to sell cannon to the Prussian king was to

809
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: sell them also to Prussia's neighbors and enemies. He made

810
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: his first sales to Egypt, then to Austria. When the

811
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Austria Prussian War began, both armies fired crups cannonballs at

812
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: each other, and his guns would have been working in

813
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: both armies in the Franco Prussian War, but for Napoleon

814
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: the Third's refusal to buy them crups cannon made bismarck

815
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: swift victory possible. Um So this is like the first

816
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: big armed manufacturers Krupp Um, and by the mid eighteen hundreds,

817
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: like the industry was starting to grow. In part because

818
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: of Krupp, Modern firearms made by companies like Winchester and

819
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: Martini had also started to sweep into the world's wars. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

820
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Barrier company. See shot. Shoot the houses right by the

821
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: Winchester mystery house. Shout out to San Jose is right

822
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: by women, Shout out to San Jose. And if if

823
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: you're in California and you're going to kill people, make

824
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: sure it's with a Winchester rifle. No, no, no, don't

825
00:44:51,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: don't listen to that. Just don't kill people. Cool, But

826
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: if you do kill local Roberts As a Texan, I

827
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: use Raytheon because it's made outside a plane, Oh Texas.

828
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: So I know that if I'm gonna drone strike somebody,

829
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drone strike them with a drone made right

830
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: down the road by the same artisans that I meet

831
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: in line at the Trader Joe's before they go build

832
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: missile guidance systems. That's good, you know, It's like, yeah,

833
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: keep keep killing local. That's what we want in our community. Yeah,

834
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: kill lot, wan't no, this is too dark a line effect.

835
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: Um So, yeah, like the the American Civil War had

836
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: been impacked on the growth of the arms industry at

837
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: this time because like we start to make like you

838
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: start to see mass produced weapons that are like way

839
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: deadlier than guns had ever been before, and suddenly all

840
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: these these nations in Europe start wanting to buy them.

841
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: Um there's fighting in between Greece and Russia and Serbia

842
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: and Turkey and the Balkans, and like this spreads the

843
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: development of new cannons and new firearms and spreads their

844
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: adoption by the armies of Europe. Um so yeah, uh,

845
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: this is kind of the state of the industry in

846
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty five when Basil gets involved in it. So

847
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: like it is starting to explode, but you're still at

848
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: this point where like the idea of massive international arms

849
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: companies is kind of weird and new. Um and Zaharov

850
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: was initially commissioned to act as the Norton Felt Arms

851
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: corporate representative for the Balkans. He received five pounds a

852
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: weekend salary plus commissions. Basil being an entrepreneur, and it

853
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: instantly realized that selling a handful of guns at a

854
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: time to a single country was not going to earn

855
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: him the kind of money he desired to make, so,

856
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: taking a leaf out of Krup's book, he decides that

857
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: he should start selling guns by triggering arms races. That like,

858
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: this is the way to make fucking money. If you're

859
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: gonna if you want to sell a lot of guns,

860
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: you make an arms race. Um. Norton Felt was not

861
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: a large manufacturer, but they traded in some very novel

862
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: weapons systems, including a brand new submarine that had just

863
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: been invented. Now, submarines were really new at the time,

864
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: and they weren't very well understood, and they usually killed

865
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: the people inside of them. You wouldn't want to be

866
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: a submarine person in this time. Um. But there were

867
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: also like this, the new sexy weapons system like uh

868
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: so they represented a huge opportunity because like, no one

869
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: really had them yet. Um. And here's how the biography

870
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: Man of Arms describes what basiled it. Next quote. Many

871
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: years later, zaharof Re counted his part in opening up

872
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: this market. I sold a submarine to the Greeks, and

873
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: then he added with a conventional chuckle, and went to

874
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: the Turks and sold them a couple Russia presented the

875
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: next obvious target. From a less reliable source, we learned

876
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: that Zaharov, with bland impudence, expounded the situation as he

877
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: saw it to the navy minister in St. Petersburg. My

878
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: firm is the agent of no one power. The Turks

879
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: have brought two submarines from my firm. In the event

880
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: of war, the Turkish navy can, thanks to these submarines,

881
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: minister ships in the Black Sea and strike you where

882
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: you least expect them. What the Turks possess you two

883
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: can have in greater numbers if you wish. I proposed

884
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: that while two submarines are sufficient for the local needs

885
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: of a small power like Turkey, four should be necessary

886
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: for your own great security. Is a great power. Legend

887
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: relates that Russia fell for this logic that was, this

888
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: would have made a total of seven submarines, which is

889
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: a lot of money for him. So he sparks like

890
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: a minor submarine arms race between three countries. He's like

891
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: a high school girl. That's like trying to start drama

892
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: where you go up to like one two best friends.

893
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I heard so and so I heard

894
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: Becky's you know, say that she didn't like you, and

895
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: then they're like, Becky's a bit and then you go

896
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: to Becky and you're like, I heard Kelsey while and

897
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: now they're like fighting, but they weren't if it wasn't

898
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, that makes me think that teenage

899
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: girls would actually be incredible arms dealers. I think teenage

900
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: girls would make excellent UM intelligence officers because all of

901
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: the CIA and intelligence companies, companies, you know, organizations do

902
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: is they're just gossiping. That's all they're doing. They're meeting up,

903
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: just exchange secrets and make little alliances, and we should

904
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: use teenage Well no, let's never mind. I take that back.

905
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: Let's not use teenage girls for anything. But let's harness

906
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: He does listen to this podcast a lot, so maybe

907
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: they'll take you up on that. Yeah, harnessing teenage girls

908
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: and teenage crops. Not literally, not so. The submarines that

909
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: Zaharov sold were notoriously shitty and basically death traps um

910
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: and they were they were renowned as being death traps

911
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: by the standards of late eighteen hundred submarines. So like

912
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: in the era where all submarines are death traps, everyone's like,

913
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: but don't get in those fucking submarines because they're terrible.

914
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: Um but he makes a lot of money selling them.

915
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: Um So. Uh. This, this fact that he sold seven

916
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: submarines and got a cut of the commissions obviously generated

917
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: him a tidy prophet and turned him instantly into one

918
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: of the most influmential minds within the Norton Felt Arms company.

919
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: Zaharov basically coined this codified his strategy of selling arms

920
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: to one country to panic another, to then panic another

921
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: so we could sell arms to them all. Uh. He

922
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: came to like basically turned this into like he called

923
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: it the system Zahara off. So he like he like

924
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: names this thing he did to spark arms right, No,

925
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: like system with an ether, like the zach a masterpiece. No,

926
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: it's he is kind of naming it like a masterpiece.

927
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: He's like when he goes into court meetings, he's like,

928
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: the thing you gotta do is sparking arms race. That's

929
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: how you fucking make bank with this ship. And like,

930
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm the guy who invented even though he's kind of

931
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: stealing that from Krupp because he's, you know, a scammer.

932
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: Um So, having cornered the Mediterranean submarine market, Zaharov next

933
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: set his sights in a more ambitious goal, the European

934
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 1: machine gun industry. Here In Maxim, the American arms maker

935
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: who invented the Babe Ruth of weaponry meant to kill

936
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: large numbers of European teenagers, had just arrived on the continent.

937
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: Maxim was demonstrating his new quick firing Maxim gun, which

938
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: worried Norton Felt since their own quick firing gun was

939
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: really shitty. Zaharov knew at once that Maxim single barreled

940
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: machine gun was way better than the one that Norton

941
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: Felt made, and in the tradition of all gray businessman,

942
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: he decided that if you can't beat them, join them.

943
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: No one is certain how Basil convinced Hiram Maxim to

944
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: merge his company with Norton Felt Um, but H. G.

945
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Wells wrote out one of the explanations of this. So

946
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: this is H. G. Wells talking about how Zaharov achieved

947
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: this coup quote. Maxim exhibited his gun in Vienna. When

948
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: he fired his gun at a target and demonstrated its powers,

949
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: Zaharov was busy explaining to expert observers that the whole

950
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: thing was an exhibition of skill, that only Maxim could

951
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: fire the gun, it would take years to train men

952
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: to use it, that these new machines were delicate and

953
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: difficult to make and could not be produced in quantities,

954
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: and so forth. Maxim, after tracing the initials of the

955
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: Emperor upon a target, prepared to receive orders, they were

956
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: not forthcoming. He learned that Norton felt was simple and strong.

957
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: This gun of his was a scientific instrument, unfit for

958
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: soldierly hands. His demonstration went for nothing. What had happened?

959
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: He realized he was visa v with a salesman, a

960
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: very formidable salesman. In the end, he amalgamated with a salesman.

961
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: So Zaharov is like, I can't beat this guy's guns.

962
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: We'll light everyone about him until he realizes he's basically

963
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: just gotta work with me, otherwise he's not going to

964
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: succeed in selling any guns. That's such a classic manipulation move,

965
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: because he's like, that gun sucks, don't buy that gun.

966
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: And then once they join, he's like, now I have

967
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: your gun, and now he's like it's good again. Now

968
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: we're selling it. So no, this is the best, guys,

969
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: super easy to use. You can kill so many teenagers

970
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: with this gun. You want to kill teenage British people.

971
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: This is the gun, so stop the killed so many

972
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: teenage British people. This is World War One, Sophie. Yes,

973
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: but but don't say if you want to I mean

974
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: the domestic. If you want to kill the most European

975
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: conscript soldiers possible, you want a Maxim machine gun. And

976
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: they do sponsor this podcast. Jesus. So this happened in

977
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: six and over the next couple of years, Norton Felt

978
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: himself increasingly bowed out of the company he'd found, did

979
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: while Basil Zaharov took control of much of the enterprise.

980
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: And it's hard to overstate what a big deal this is.

981
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: So Maxim Norton Felt Arms quickly becomes maxim Um like

982
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: like it's just known by the name Maximum because their

983
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: gun is like the is like the defining weapon of

984
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: the age. Um and Maxim under Zaharov becomes one of

985
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: the very very first massive international gun companies uh international

986
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: arms companies, and they sold a huge variety of weapons

987
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: to parties in multiple hemispheres. The additional reach the merger

988
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: gave Zaharof meant it was even easier for him to

989
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: spark arms races all over the world. And I'm gonna

990
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: quote from the Smithsonian again here. The next step was

991
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: a condembination with Vickers, Thomas Vickers, the second largest English

992
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: manufacturer of arms. Maxim became a member of the Vickers

993
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: board of directors. Zaharov's name did not figure into the

994
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: organization at all, but he and Maxim and some proportion

995
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: unknown to history, got for their company from Victors one

996
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: point three million pounds over six and a half million dollars,

997
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: partly in cash and partly in stock. For the Vickers company,

998
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Zaharrof became a substantial stockholder and Vickers and would one

999
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: day be the largest of all. He also became the

1000
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: chief salesman of Vickars, which, unlike Krup and Schneider, had

1001
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: remained up to this point, out of the international market.

1002
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: But Zaharov showed the way in this bountiful field, and

1003
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: therefore he got moving about Europe with a card announcing

1004
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: himself as the delegate of Thomas Vickers and Sons. So

1005
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: the period from eighteen seventy seven to nineteen fourteen, when

1006
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: he's the chief representative of like the big one of

1007
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: the probably the biggest arms company in the world. Was

1008
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: also the period where the world went through the most

1009
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: significant arms build up that has ever happened. New technologies

1010
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: were being constantly invented and refined, and every nation in

1011
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: Europe was like worried about fighting every other nation in Europe.

1012
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: So they all were buying up piles of Maxim guns

1013
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: and Krupp cannons and like all of the weaponry they

1014
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: could possibly get. And Zaharov himself drove this trend. In

1015
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety his Vickers Guns became the sole supplier of

1016
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: naval weaponry for the British Empire. Uh they bought a

1017
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: controlling interest in beard More shipbuilding firm in Glasgow, which

1018
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: gave the Gigantic arms concern. Zaharov managed a cut of

1019
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: the fortune that Britain spent building up her navy. Now,

1020
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: Britain's naval build up was driven largely by Kaiser Wilhelm's

1021
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: obsessive need to grow the German navy, which was steadily

1022
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: encouraged by Krupp. So like the German Arms Company, Krupp

1023
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: is telling the leader of Germany, like, you got to

1024
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: build more ships, and Basil's being like, hey, the Germans

1025
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: are building more ships. We gotta build more ships, and

1026
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: it just so happens that I get a cut of

1027
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: every ship built. So both corporations profited massively from this

1028
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: naval build up, which also ratcheted up tensions between Imperial

1029
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: Germany and Great Britain the world before where planes invented here?

1030
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: Or is this all of your boat? Like? Okay, so

1031
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: he because I'm just imagining, like because when you say

1032
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: like he went to this country and said this, I

1033
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: went to this country, I'm imagining like him getting on

1034
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: a boat, taking a long time to get there, and

1035
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: then being like, here's some gossip by this thing, and

1036
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: then like getting back on It's it's very slow. It's

1037
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: very slow. He's not taking plane. There are planes in

1038
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: this period and he a little later we'll talk about

1039
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: how he started convincing countries to buy air forces. How

1040
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: does a submarine like once it's bought, like, does someone

1041
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: drive it over to Germany? I think they were probably

1042
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: built in the Mediterranean and then just like sailed over

1043
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: to where they were going. Amazon delivery your U boats

1044
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: are here, Yeah, I mean Amazon will get a U

1045
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: boat to you way faster. I mean, they've gotten so

1046
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 1: much better at delivering submarines. Um so um, yeah do

1047
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: do do Yeah. Both Krupp and Uh and Uh Maxim

1048
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: or Yeah profited massively from the naval build up that

1049
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: just you know, also ratcheted up tensions in Europe and

1050
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: got both countries closer to fighting each other. Um and

1051
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: Zahrov continued to sell arms to both sides of conflicts

1052
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: and wars all over the world, using the cynical tactics

1053
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: of the system he had designed to ensure ever growing

1054
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: profits while the world lurched closer and closer to cataclysm.

1055
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: I found a really interesting book called Men of Wealth

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Speaker 1: by a guy named John Flynn, that is a good

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Speaker 1: job of ill straining how this web came together. Quote

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Speaker 1: Evince favored them the Spanish American War, the Chinese American War,

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Speaker 1: the English Bower War, in which the Tommy's armed with

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00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: Vickers rifles were scientifically mowed down with Maxims machine gun

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Speaker 1: or quick filing in cannon supplied to the Bowers by

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Speaker 1: Mr Zakharov of Vickers. But the greatest opportunity was the

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Speaker 1: Russo Japanese War, when it ended all of Europe's war

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Speaker 1: ministries awoke. The war had been a great proving ground

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Speaker 1: for guns and ships, a laboratory for militarists. Above all,

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Speaker 1: Russia had to start at the bottom and completely rebuilt

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Speaker 1: her shattered armies. The Czar provided over six d and

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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars for rearming. All the armament makers in

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Speaker 1: the world flocked to St. Petersburg. Zaharof representing Vickers, arrived

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Speaker 1: first on scene. So like, he's the official arms manufacturer

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Speaker 1: of the British army and he's selling guns to the

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Speaker 1: Bowers who were murdering British soldiers. Um. And then he

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Speaker 1: sells a bunch of weapons to the Japanese, who then

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Speaker 1: beat the Russians in a very surprising war. And the

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Speaker 1: fact that Japan, this like third rate power in the

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Speaker 1: eyes of Europeans, beats Russia in this war leads to

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Speaker 1: all these nations buying in more guns because they're like, oh, ship,

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Speaker 1: Japan can do that stuff to Russia, they might be

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Speaker 1: able to do it to us. We gotta buy more weapons,

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Speaker 1: and the Russians are like, we need to buy way

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Speaker 1: more fucking weapons. So like, he's very successful in getting

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Speaker 1: everybody to continue buying way the funk more guns. Um.

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Speaker 1: And what Basil Zaharov did in St. Petersburg would establish

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Speaker 1: him as the greatest arms dealer of his era and

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Speaker 1: perhaps of all time. It would also help make the

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Speaker 1: horrible blood letting of the First World War completely inevitable.

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Speaker 1: But that story, Teresa, we're gonna have to talk about

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Speaker 1: in part two. How are you feeling so far? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, I I know how, I

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Speaker 1: know part of how it ends because I know I

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Speaker 1: know we're getting up to the war, so so I'm

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Speaker 1: just like I want to put those dots together. Can't wait. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is good. It's a good time. We're at the

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Speaker 1: part right now where um, I don't know, he's helped

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Speaker 1: spark a couple of wars, but um, not nearly as

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Speaker 1: much as he's gonna do. Um. But for now, it's

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Speaker 1: time for all of you to go off and try

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Speaker 1: to provoke your own wars. In he means it's time

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Speaker 1: to plug your plugables. Teresa, Yeah, it is time to

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Speaker 1: plug your plug doubles. Oh my plugables. I was like,

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Speaker 1: wait what sorry? I thought this was like I thought

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Speaker 1: you were doing a sponsored ad for Glade plugables. Um, no,

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Speaker 1: my plugables. Oh well, you know you can listen to

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Speaker 1: my podcast. You can tell me anything where comedians like Robert,

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Speaker 1: who's been on before, um confess something they've never told

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Speaker 1: anyone before. I guess if this this guy Basil was

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Speaker 1: on and be all lies, but generally speaking, people tell truths.

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Speaker 1: And then we talked it's fun. You know what else

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Speaker 1: is fun? Teresa? What the fine products produced by great

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Speaker 1: companies like Raytheon. What what Robert means to say to tables? What? Okay?

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: What Robert means the say is that he's doing a

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Speaker 1: live show with Billy Wayne Davis in Los Angeles on

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Speaker 1: March three at Dannisy Typewriter. You should get tickets and

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Speaker 1: we will be saving selling our teas and a arms there.

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Speaker 1: We will not be doing anything of that nature. You

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Speaker 1: can follow Robert on Twitter. I'm saying you can follow

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Speaker 1: our podcast at at Bastard's pod on Twitter, Instagram, and

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Speaker 1: if your grease or turkey and you want to buy

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Speaker 1: some submarines, will have a couple of we're listening Chris

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Speaker 1: and it