1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Body dogs with Joseph's gotten more. A few years ago, 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: my wife and I we lost our home in a 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: tornado here in Jacksonville. We lost everything. It was I'd 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: never experienced anything like that in my life. Of course, 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: we live in Alabama, and Alabama is known, i think, 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: right in the heart of southern version of Tornado Alley. 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: And the thing about a tornado is you don't really 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: have much of a warning. That's the way it was 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: with us. But there is one meteorological manifestation you do 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: have warnings for, and that's hurricanes. And being from Louisiana 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: and my family being from there, we have over the 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: generations written out a number of hurricanes. But you know, 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: you can kind of see it coming, can't you. You 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: can see it coming from a great distance up to 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: you to get prepared to do what you need to 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: do to take care of you and yours. Today, I'm 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: going to delve into a story that's been talked about 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: quite a bit, and it does have to do with Louisiana, 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: has to do with a hurricane, and it has to 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: do with a mother and daughter who I believe took 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: advantage of the system and gained it. And of course 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: it wound up resulting in one of the most brutal 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: murders in recent memory. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 24 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: is bodybacks Dave I had. Can you believe that it 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: has been almost nineteen years since Katrina? 26 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: You know, Joe, nineteen years since Hurricane Katrina. And because 27 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: the media likes a round number, next year, for probably 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: three months before August and you know, up until the 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: twentieth anniversary of that hurricane, there will be a lot 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: in the media. Not so much this year, but next 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: year there will be. But that hurricane plays a central 32 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: part in today's episode about the death of D. D. Blanchard. 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: A lot of people when you say de de Blanchard 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: kind of go, I kind of know what you're talking about. 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: Maybe I remember chubby woman, and it's like if I 36 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: say Gypsy Rose Blanchard. 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: Now we know D. D. 38 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: Blanchard was the mother of Gypsy Rose Blanchard. And at 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: this point in time, Joe, when you brought up Hurricane Katrina, 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina was what allowed D. D. Blanchard to leave 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: the area where everybody knew her to go because she 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: had to. Hurricane Katrina caused her to flee everybody she knew, 43 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: and she landed in Missouri, and oh my gosh. Without 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina pushing her out and with Gypsy Rose, I 45 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: don't think the con would have ever gone as far 46 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: as it did. With what Dede Blanchard did and what 47 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: her daughter, Gypsy Rose Blanchard eventually did to her. There's 48 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: so much psychological stuff here, but today we're dealing with 49 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: the forensics and Joe. When you see somebody like this 50 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: that they just find a way to take advantage of 51 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: things that are devastating to others, opportunistic comes to mind. 52 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: There are opportunists everywhere you look, and I don't know 53 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: that I could magnify that anymore than turning the spotlight 54 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: today on Dede Blanchard, the mother Gypsy Rose Blanchard, because 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: you talk about a gamer, you talk about somebody that 56 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: knows the system, knows how to weasele their way around 57 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: the system, and that will that will turn anything within 58 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: her realm into a utility that she can use to 59 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: not just survive, but literally two enricher at the expense 60 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: of anybody else. It's arguably, it's arguably one of the 61 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: most disgusting things in the world, and of course. 62 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: What's really bad is she's the victim of our story today. 63 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, she is the victim of the story and in 64 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: a sense that you know, she's she's a homicide victim, 65 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: and obviously one of the most talked about cases, you know, 66 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: within I don't know, the last two decades, three decades, 67 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: one of them. I mean, we've got a whole pantheon 68 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: of cases now, but this kind of sticks out. I 69 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: Mean there's been I wish you and I had a 70 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: dollar for every every television show that's been done, you know, 71 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: about these circumstances, articles that have been written, books that 72 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: have been written, all these sorts of things. But when 73 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: it comes down to it, you've got the genesis of 74 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: this twisted tale that starts off Obviously, it starts off 75 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: when you know, when Dedee gets pregnant with this fellow 76 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: Blanchard's child and she's you know, she's living down actually 77 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: on the west side of the city or the metro 78 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: area of New Orleans, down toward the swamps, that area 79 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: that people generally associate, you know with, you know, like 80 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: that show that's on television where they were going out 81 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: hunting Gate, you know, chewed them, cheat them all that 82 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: that that area down there, which I have an affinity for. 83 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: It's quite beautiful if you've never been to the swamps 84 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: and seen it down there. But you know, that's kind 85 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: of what she, you know, comes from that environment down there. 86 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: People are very poor, they don't have a lot, and 87 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: she found herself pregnant. Now she's I don't know, several 88 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: years older than the guy that she got pregnant by. 89 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: They got married before she was pregnant. I did not 90 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: know that until I was researching this. I assumed since 91 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: she was twenty four and Rod Blanchard was eight at 92 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: the time of of Gypsy Rose birth. 93 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: I seventeen when they got together. 94 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: He was seventeen when they got together, and they did 95 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: get married. I that just shocked me. I just assumed 96 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: he got her pregnant and they got married, or they 97 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: got you know, any number of things, but not got 98 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: married and then got pregnant. So do you know where 99 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: the name Gypsy Rose comes from? There's an actual real reason, 100 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: and I I assumed it was something else, but it's not. 101 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's kind of disappointing. 102 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Rod Rod Blanchard was a big fan of 103 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: guns and roses. Yeah, that's where the Rose Park came from. 104 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: I had no I know, and Mom liked the name Gypsy. 105 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, now gypsy is like a 106 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: pejorative term, you know that people, you know, people get 107 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: in a twist about. I don't know if that population, 108 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: that segment of the world population actually is offended by it, 109 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: but there's people out there that are professionally offended by everything. 110 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: And so you know, she was a term where I 111 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: was supposed to know, oh. 112 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, And so she saddled with this name to 113 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: begin with uh. And that's you know, that's essentially how 114 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: this child starts her journey. But in life. 115 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: To back up just a little bit, when we mentioned 116 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: the story is about the murder and aftermath of Dee 117 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: Dee Blanchard, when Dede Blanchard and Rod Well, when Deed 118 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: he married Rod and they had Rod had already decided 119 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: to leave before Gypsy Rose Blanchard was born. They were 120 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: no longer cohabitating together. He had left and when, and 121 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 2: the reason was real simple Dede you mentioned a minute. 122 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: It was an opportunist. She was a con woman. She 123 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: was a con artist. And he realized that fairly early on. 124 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: This is is not an honest person that I want 125 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: to be with. So even though she's pregnant, and even 126 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: though they're married, Rod got away and Dede did what 127 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: she pretty much she became the victim of social by 128 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: using her daughter from her infancy, claiming that Gypsy had 129 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: sleep apnea as an infant that should sleep avena. That 130 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: was the first trek into the hospital and in a 131 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: matter of months anything and she wasn't nurses a d. D. 132 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: Blanchard knew a plenty of different issues medically oriented that 133 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: she could utilize to make claims that you don't have to, uh, 134 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: you can't really prove kind of like if you if 135 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: you if you're kind of a if you're a rich bum, 136 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: you know you come from a family of wealth, but 137 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: you don't really have a job or a career. You 138 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 2: could claim to be a photographer, you can claim to 139 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: be a writer. You don't actually have to prove anything 140 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: to claim those as careers. 141 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: Filmmaker, Yeah, there you go, there you go. 142 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: And Dede Blanchard realized there are a number of medical 143 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: elements maladies that one can say their child has based 144 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: on symptoms that only you can see and require treatment. 145 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, and let me give you another example to this, 146 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: this very non specific diagnosis, which by the way, they 147 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: never could confirm this, this non specific diagnosis of seizure disorder. 148 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you know, seizures have there's listen. I 149 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: could sit here for hours and we could literally talk 150 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: about all of the variety of seizures that are out there. 151 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: It's not all epilepsy. There's a variety of things that 152 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: seizures can arise from. And so you think about this, 153 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: it's very non specific. You get this kind of sense 154 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: for this, and write you our day about D. D. Blanchard. 155 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: She had a peak, if you will, behind the curtain 156 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: relative to the medical world and the world of medicine 157 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: and treatment. And I listen, I don't doubt that probably 158 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: in her work as a nurse's age she had encountered 159 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: people that were in fact gaming the system. They're everywhere. 160 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, after much planning, she 161 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: played the medical community and even more broadly, the communities 162 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: that she landed in like a fiddle. Friends, I'm sure 163 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: that you will. You're scratching your head right now and 164 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: you're thinking, we'regan, have you lost your mind? Why are 165 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: you talking about this case? Because it's it's old now, 166 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: it is an old case. Well, the reason I'm talking 167 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: about this case today is that, and I've told you 168 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: about this, Dave my inbox, my email from all of 169 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: these news outlets, I started getting hit. I guess it 170 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: was this past Monday because people were losing their minds 171 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: over the fact that these crime scene photos from the D. D. 172 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Blanchard homicide had apparently been kind of, I don't know, 173 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: reinjected into the public forum, into the conversation. They've been 174 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: re released, and now they're making the circulation around and 175 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: so people, you know, I had these folks reaching out 176 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: to me about the graphic nature of them. They some 177 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: people even want me to hold forth on the idea 178 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: of why people want to see these images, and so, 179 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, it really made me begin to think, well, 180 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: what's what's the purpose behind all of this? And look, 181 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: I know that Gypsy Rose, who obviously now is famously 182 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: out of prison. My god, you know, they they have 183 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: anointed her, you know, as like she's in the zeitgeist, 184 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: as they say, she's everywhere. You can't get past her. 185 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: She's out there, she was with a boyfriend, she thought 186 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: she was pregnant. Then she's going to get some kind 187 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: of television show. She's had a nose job, now she's 188 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: getting married, now she is pregnant, you know, and all 189 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: of this stuff. And you know, Dedi's I'm going to 190 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: make a really dangerous comment here right now. Are you 191 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: ready for this? Hopefully this doesn't collectively end our careers. 192 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Dedi's no longer around. She's a homicide victim. So I 193 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: guess my question is who is it there that is 194 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: now using Gypsy Rows for their own benefit? Because it's 195 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, it's not little old Gypsy 196 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: Rose that's pushing her out and making her part of 197 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: the national conversation. Again. This person she has utility for 198 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: other people, just like she had utility, I submit to you, 199 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: just like she had utility for DD. And now she's 200 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: out there and people are drinking this in day in 201 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: and day out. They can't get enough of it, Dave. 202 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: So you're suggesting that Gypsy Rose is taking advantage of 203 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: what she did. 204 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: Yes. And also I would tell you that people that 205 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: have a lot of money, a lot of money in 206 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: media and entertainment also see the opportunity, oh to exploit 207 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:53,119 Speaker 1: this situation. 208 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: I think that two words there, opportunity and exploit. Those 209 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: are two things that Gypsy Rose learned early. And those 210 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: are two things that are learned in media and those 211 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: who take advantage of certain stories and exploit them. And 212 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: I don't know why people want to look at crime 213 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: scene photos, but I know this, Joe. We go to 214 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: movies all the time to see the gore. We see 215 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: fictionalized gore. And and now over the last power many years, 216 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: we see more reality. 217 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: Not me. I only watch I only watch rom comms. 218 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: Dave, Yeah, and you only read Playboy for the articles. 219 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: But when you get right down to this, you've got 220 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: plenty of people that are interested. Because we watched this 221 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: child that we thought was sick, that had all of 222 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: these issues and her single mom just struggling to make 223 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: things work. And we saw the video she was named, 224 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: you know, queen of this and king of that. I mean, 225 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: the awards came in from exod. 226 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: I was fascinating. And you know, I don't think I 227 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: don't think I remembered that necessarily, because this stuff gets 228 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: so power on and layered. You forget that every little 229 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: spot that she kind of inhabited DEDI would use that 230 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: opportunity to insert this child into these and all the while, Hey, 231 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: get this, you talk about a lot of activity going 232 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. So as she's outwardly promoting the 233 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: horror of all of these so called ailments this child had, 234 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: she's backstage, you know, telling them to do things like, yeah, 235 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: well she's drooling really bad, let's go ahead and take 236 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: out her salivary glands. Right. Just let that resonate with 237 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: you just for a second, if you know. There's a 238 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: term that she used, and it generally applies to people 239 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: that work that are former military types that go and 240 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: hire their self out, and it's called mercenary. Mercenaries have 241 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: more honor than this. Mercenaries are going out selling their 242 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: selling their skill set to the highest bidder. She's literally 243 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: using her daughter as a product. 244 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: At the end, Tom and Gypsy Rose knew it because 245 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: while her mother, just to give you a very quick 246 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: look at this, Gypsy Rose Blanchard was honored as the 247 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven Child of the Year by this 248 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: only foundation that promotes their advocating those who have to 249 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: use a feeding tube. Now, I don't know that this 250 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: is a huge deal, Like do people that have a 251 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: feeding tube get picked on? I don't know. I just 252 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: know that This group raises money to raise awareness for 253 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: those who have to have a feeding tube, and Gypsy 254 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: Rose Blanchard was the Foundation's Child of the Year because 255 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: she had a feeding tube. This is a girl whose 256 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: mother lied about her age so that she would be 257 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 2: younger and had her use a feeding tube that she 258 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: didn't need to get her nourishments. Rose Blanchard was on 259 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: a liquid pedia las yeah Pedia, sure pedia care things 260 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: you give a child that is sick, you know that 261 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: they get. She had that totally. She was in her twenties. 262 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: This is how deep this went. And by the way, 263 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: when Gypsy Rose Blanchard was told by her mother, you 264 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: have muscular dystrophy or muscular sclerosis. You have to use 265 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: a walker because your legs don't work right. And even 266 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: though the little girl's going, they seem to work fine 267 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 2: to me. You know, she's raised on this going. But 268 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: they could give out on you at any moment. You 269 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: need to use these, you know. Then she is in 270 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: This little girl who's so sick, is in a motorcycle 271 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: accident with her grandfather when she's seven or eight years old. 272 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: She skins her knee, skins her knee. Her mother takes 273 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: her to the emergency room because she has all of 274 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 2: these other issues. They admit her, you know, to take 275 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 2: a look and make sure she's okay. She's there for 276 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: a skinned knee, Joe, but because of the other issues, 277 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 2: they she's checked in. Now, what happens when you leave 278 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: the hospital? When you're a patient at the hospital and 279 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 2: you are leaving, what did they do? They wheel you 280 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: out in a wheelchair. Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother convinced her 281 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: after the skinned knee, the doctor gave her a wheelchair 282 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: because that's what she needs to use. Now, that's when 283 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose ended up in the wheelchair. 284 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: Yes, and you think about the utility of a wheelchair. Listen, 285 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: I'll be the first one admitted here. I'm chief among sinners. 286 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: I stare at people that are in wheelchairs. I can't. 287 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to turn away, you know, 288 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: because when I see, if I'm in a location, I'll 289 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: look and see if someone is actually riding about in 290 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: a wheelchair, I want to know what happened to them, 291 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, what's going on with it. Don't think for 292 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: two seconds that Dede did not look at the wheelchair 293 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: and see that as an outward manifestation or an outward 294 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: demonstration rather of what was going on with this child. 295 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: If she'll, if she would go to the links of 296 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: having a feeding tobe inn as child to have unnecessary 297 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: surgeries and these wild, wild diagnoses that were being made, 298 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: which by the way, the line chair of them were 299 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: made in Louisiana. And this brings us to Katrina. You know, 300 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: you put forth this supposition that she's been diagnosed with 301 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: MS and that now because of Katrina, they have to 302 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: be evacuated where they were living in Slighte l Louisiana, 303 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: which is just if you follow iten, it's just to 304 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: the east of New Orleans. You have to cross a 305 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: part of Lake Pont Training to get there. They were 306 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: living in public housing there and granted, slide l got hit, 307 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: they got hammered by Katrina, and they did lose things, okay, 308 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: And then they were they moved to Covington, Louisiana, which 309 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: I have a lot of relatives in Covington, and there 310 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: was a special facility where if you were handicapped in 311 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: any way you could stay there. And so they move 312 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: into this and it's it's where this is where the 313 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: sea got planted by the the the therapist the physician 314 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: that was actually treating them and said, hey, I'm from 315 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: the Ozarks. I'm from the Ozarks. Maybe you guys ought 316 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: to give that area of the country a try. 317 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: Really, that's where they came from. 318 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it came from someone within that clinic that recommended, yeah, 319 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: you need. 320 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: To count I wondered, how how did they why. 321 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: Of all the all the places in the world that 322 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: you know, while southwest Missouri, which is a beautiful place 323 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: and there many times my wife's family is from up 324 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: in that region and I and you know, it's gorgeous, 325 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: it's those arcs, and but you know, the one thing 326 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: that it doesn't have is knowledge. They didn't have knowledge 327 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: of what had been going on with these two to 328 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: begin with. So they get to show up and there's 329 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's like now they're going to tap into 330 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: a completely new vein of gold that they've discovered. They've 331 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of exhausted everything in South Louisiana at this point. 332 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: You know, how many how many more crowns can you 333 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: put on the little girl in the wheelchair, Well, let's 334 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: go somewhere else where there are more crowns, and the 335 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: crowns are just merely representative of all of the bounty 336 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: that's going to be afforded to them in this location. 337 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: And course is the fact that she truly is a 338 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: sick little girl with a lot of issues and a 339 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: mother struggling to take care of her. 340 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have to, yeah, we have to go 341 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: back to Dave. You have to understand as well. And 342 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: there was, there was all kinds of fraud that went 343 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 1: on as a result of Katrina. This is merely and 344 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: I can't say that this was fraud on her part 345 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: relative to Katrina. It's an opportunity though the nation is glued. 346 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, the nation is glued 347 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: to this drama day in and day out, watching people 348 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: on the roofs of homes. Helo's coming in to try 349 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: to evacuate people out of there. There's imagery of the dead. 350 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: And you know, my friends at the Orleans Parish Corner's 351 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: office down there, they had to relocate, can you imagine, 352 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: And they couldn't deal with the volume of bodies. They 353 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: had to you know, they had to have refrigerated trucks 354 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: where they could transport the bodies to a location once 355 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: they were recovered, because you didn't know who they were 356 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: it was. It was madness, absolute madness, and everybody's drinking 357 00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: this in. So if you're up in southwest Missouri, all 358 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: the way away from South Louisiana, and she shows up 359 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: and she's got this child in tow by the way 360 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: in a wheelchair, yep, and they say, you know, more 361 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: porridge please. You know, they're they're there in this environment 362 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: where they can they can leverage every bit of this. 363 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: And these people, oh my god, these these people from 364 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: South Louisiana, they're you know, they're they've been through Katrina. 365 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, they've been through the ringer. Let's open 366 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: our hearts and God bless them. I mean, the people 367 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: up there just gave and gave till it hurt, and 368 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, and they saw she saw the advantage in that. 369 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: And she saw when people had questions because experts in 370 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 2: the field know how this plays out, and they know 371 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: what somebody with these issues looks like, acts like, talks like, 372 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: sounds like. And yet when questions came up about previous diagnosis, 373 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: previous help, surgeries, what have you, Yeah, sadly, you know, 374 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 2: it was all lost in Katrina. And so you have 375 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: to trust this woman who has gained the system to 376 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: tell you what's really going on with her daughter that 377 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: you see is certainly in bad shape. She's in a wheelchair, 378 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 2: her hair is a lot of times her head we shaved. 379 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: Her mother claimed it was from chemotherapy. 380 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: Or chemotherapy, yeah, yeah, and this is the term. This 381 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: is what she had, if I remember correctly, let me see, 382 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: it was, we're going to go ahead and shave your 383 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: head because you're going to lose your hair anyways. Best 384 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: that you go ahead and get used to this, and 385 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: we're going to slap a wig on you. And you 386 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: know it's at some point in time, you know that 387 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: I would imagine that that Gypsy Rose. You know, she's 388 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: starting to go into her teenage years now, she's you know, 389 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: like all teenagers, you're going to rebel. She's starting to 390 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: understand that she's being played, I think, to a great degree. 391 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: And that creates a perfect storm, if you will, for 392 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: somebody it's got this little flame that's burning inside of 393 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: them that doesn't want to be a part of this. 394 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: I can't look. I can't imagine everything that she went through. 395 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't know nobody could. I don't think unnecessary surgeries 396 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: and all this stuff, you know, but there was one 397 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: physician up there in Springfield that and he was a neurologist, 398 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: I believe that was taking a look at labs and 399 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. And he's thinking, this doesn't marry 400 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: up with what I have been trained to look for 401 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: as as a clinician, you know, as far as this 402 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: manifestation with the MS and all of this. He makes 403 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: a phone call back to New Orleans where this diagnosis 404 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: was actually made, and they did a biopsy of muscle 405 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: tissue on her and there's a manifestation that you can 406 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: see if you have this condition where it presents at 407 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: a cellular level and you're looking, you know, in the 408 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: microscope at this and they said, yeah, we it was 409 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: We never didn't make that diagnosis. There was no evidence 410 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: of it there. And so he's thinking, this guy was 411 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: actually told that you need to tread very carefully here 412 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: if you're going to call her out, you know, and 413 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: say that she's lying. Wow, because you know, she had 414 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: gained everybody to this point. And I think that Gypsy Rose, 415 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, was certainly aware that she was you know, 416 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: she she had grand utility, I guess if you will, yeah, yeah, 417 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: And that's just it. And so when you move forward 418 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: in this case and you begin to understand that she 419 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: had in fact run the course. I guess she came 420 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: to the conclusion that she wanted to be free of this. 421 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: But how do you do this? How do you do this? When? 422 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: And I had this vision I can't remember some one 423 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: of these cars to things that my kids watch, one 424 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: of these movies where you've got the princess in the 425 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: tower and there's a dragon garden the tower. You know, 426 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: how do you get past if you want to save 427 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: how do you get past the dragon this garden the tower? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 428 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: that's what it was. And so you know you're thinking 429 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: about this and you're thinking, you know, how do they 430 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: get access? You know, how does she escape this? How 431 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: does she escape it? And that's that's when this Gada 432 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: John person makes this presentation in her life And I 433 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: got to tell you, dude, hell followed after, who's going 434 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: to be the white night here, Who's going to come 435 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: riding in to save the little girl in the wheelchair 436 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: that's had her salivary glands surgically removed, who's been told 437 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: that she's, you know, got cancer, that she's been told 438 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: that she has these other horrendous diseases. You know, it's 439 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: smacks of I guess. You know. People throw around the 440 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: term Munchausen by proxy syndrome, and there's a part to 441 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: that for me. With Munchausens, it's generally the mother trying 442 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: to get attention. But it doesn't seem like a pure 443 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: Munchausens because Munchausen's people are not there to necessarily profit financially. 444 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: Dedi is a scam artist and she's profiting off of 445 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: her child's illness. So you can say Munchausen's if you 446 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: want to, But it's not just about the attention that 447 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: she's getting. It's about everything that comes along with it, Dave. 448 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: Her financial survival was based on the illnesses suffered by 449 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose. The daughter. Gypsy Rose was twenty one and 450 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: playing much younger than her actual biological years, and she 451 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: was using the Internet. And this is twenty twelve, all right, 452 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: We're not talking about a time before the internet. We're 453 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: talking about somebody who is inside their home with access 454 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: to the Internet and a phone and everything else, and 455 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: that's where she meets. You mentioned his last name. Go 456 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: to John Nicholas. Good, Wait a minute, go to John. 457 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: Right to John, all right, Nicholas Go to John. Gypsy 458 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: Rose communicates with him online through a Christian singles website, 459 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: and it's enough. He's from Bend, Wisconsin and she's there 460 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: outside Springfield, Missouri. As they meet and develop an online relationship, 461 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose is starting to confide in people, in particular 462 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: a nextdoor neighbor who's a friend of hers kind of 463 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: talk to her like a sister, and she's talking to 464 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: this neighbor about eloping with Go to John. That they've 465 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 2: communicated at this point where Go to John has you 466 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: know you mentioned the White Knight who's going to get 467 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: her away from this overbearing mother. Obviously, Gypsy Rose knows 468 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: she doesn't have all these maladies that she's pretending to have. 469 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 2: She does her squeaky voice. Granted, she doesn't have much 470 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: education where it is that she probably only completed maybe 471 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: first grade, maybe not, but she didn't go to school, 472 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: so her intellect, her education is not there. She talks 473 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: like a child. She uses the wrong verbs and things, 474 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: so she sounds like a child who has a lot 475 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: of issues, but she's really an adult woman who's now 476 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: in her twenties, so she has adult feelings and everything else. 477 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: And that's where Nicholas got John comes into play. They're 478 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: talking online. There are aspects of the flirting that become 479 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: very sexual, and some see that Gypsy Rose God bless 480 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 2: her in terms of her growing up years being taken 481 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: advantage of by her mother. Some suggest that go to John, Nicholas, 482 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: Go to John was a sexual predator and he was 483 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: preying upon Gypsy Rose. I don't know if that's true 484 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: or not. I don't know. I wasn't there, And to 485 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: be honest with you, there's so much this story to unpack. Joe. 486 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: We would need Bethany Marshall and a few other Sykes, 487 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: you know. But ultimately she and Nicholas come up with 488 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: a plan to get rid of Dede Blanchard. They can't 489 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: see any other way. I guess Gypsy Rose feels trapped. 490 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: So they be on the loping and anything else that 491 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: she could be drawn back to her mother. And I'm 492 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: sure Nicholas is there helping along the way because we 493 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: know what happened. But they decide to kill Dede Blanchard 494 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: while she's asleep. So Nicholas good or Down travels from 495 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: Wisconsin to Springfield, Missouri. 496 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: And us Yeah, by bus, I think she had sent 497 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: him the money in order to facilitate this. And here's 498 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: the thing, Dave. So when when they when they had 499 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: gotten passed, you know kind of the whole online thing 500 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: where they're getting to know one another and they get 501 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: off into this kind of sexual deviant kind of thing 502 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: that's going on in the world of the internet. Sense 503 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: Gypsy Rose had told him that if he showed up, 504 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: she would have everything set up for him. Now, he 505 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: was familiar with the home, obviously he had been there. 506 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: But here's the thing about it. Timing had to be 507 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: just right. So people people that say that go to John, 508 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: who has some pretty serious mental issues to begin with, 509 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: and has an IQ that is in the low end, 510 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: all right, I think that he could probably be pretty 511 00:32:53,840 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: easily manipulated. She's furnishing everything, I mean everything from duct 512 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: tape to a knife, all of these sorts of things. 513 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: But she's also furnishing him with with a timeline and 514 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, when mom is going to go to bed, 515 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: it's the best time to do this sort of thing. 516 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: And this has played out very distinctly. And this brings 517 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: us back to, you know, our conversation today about the 518 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: photography here when you see when you know I have 519 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: seen this myriad of photographs that have come out, this 520 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: crime scene photography has come out, and it's it's really really, 521 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: it's very graphic stuff. You know that he had to 522 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: have an awareness of what was going on, So to 523 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: say that he did this solely on his own, he 524 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: may have been the perpetrator as far as it goes 525 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: to plunging this knife at least seventeen times into Deede's 526 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: body as she lay there in bed. I don't think 527 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: that her hand, her hand being Gypsy Rose's hand was 528 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: not in this. And you know, she's portrayed herself as 529 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: having gone into the bathroom, sat on the floor, covered 530 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: her ears so that she didn't have to hear mom 531 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: screaming and this sort of thing. 532 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: How much truth there is to that job? 533 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: You know? I have? And here's here's something And actually, 534 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: my my wife at KIM had pointed this out to me. 535 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: He was she was like, was indeed like a kind of. 536 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: A big, robust, robust woman. 537 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and he's he's a pretty tiny, tiny fellow. 538 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: And so I'm thinking, I'm thinking, well, did he truly 539 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: pull this off by himself? Did he facilitate this? And 540 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: I got to tell you that one of the things 541 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: that really struck me from a forensic standpoint, and that's 542 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: why photographic documentation is so important in our field, is 543 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: that there are a couple of places on Dede's bare 544 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: back because he her skirt, her nightgown was raised up to. 545 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: Before we get to that job, Yeah, we kind of 546 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: skipped go to when Gypsy Rose, Blanchard and Dedi go 547 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: to a doctor's appointment. Nicholas go to John comes into Springfield. 548 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 2: Gypsy then it Rose hands him the packet of gloves, 549 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: duct tape, and knife and wait for her to go 550 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: to sleep. The timeline they know what time DDI's going 551 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: to sleep because she's on a regular routine. Once she's 552 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: in bed asleep, that's when Gypsy Rose claims she goes 553 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 2: to the bathroom MC covers her ears while Nicholas goes 554 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: in and stabs d D Blanchard seventeen times at least 555 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: while she's asleep. As you mentioned, de D is not 556 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: a small woman. She is a handful and then some 557 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 2: so the idea that unless his first strike, unless his 558 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: first thrust of the knife somehow made it impossible for 559 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: her to fight back. Joe, Yeah, I'm not picturing it, 560 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 2: and because she does have some extra weight on hers, 561 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: some extra bulk, I'm not I guessing that first knife 562 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 2: is enough to take her out. 563 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it would be. It's certainly, uh, 564 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: it would be a mammoth undertaking. I think for him 565 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: to well, well, first off, it'd be dumb luck, I 566 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: think to right, Yeah, of course she's got She does, 567 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: in fact have a very nasty injury to the back 568 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: of her head and some people have are to the 569 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: back for neck, and some people have characterized this as 570 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: as almost a decapitation. Well, I've seen this injury and 571 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: you can see down through the layers of fat uh 572 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: to the subcu fat in the back of her neck. Dave, 573 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: this is not a stab wint. This is an incized one. Okay, 574 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: so the now there might be stabbing that's associated with 575 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,919 Speaker 1: it within the wound, but the back of her neck 576 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: is literally opened up and then she's got multiple stab winds. 577 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: And interesting you know ly enough, the medical examiner Slash 578 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: Corner that was present at the scene, they have a 579 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: gloved hand on in the photograph and they're pointing specifically 580 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: to the insult at the back of the neck. You 581 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: can see them there you can't see the person. You 582 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: just see their gloved hand pointing. And that's something that 583 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: we do at crime scenes, you know, because we're not 584 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: going to clean it up there. You don't want to 585 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: do that. You want to have it in pristine condition, 586 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: untouched in that environment because if you wash well, and 587 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this, if you wash 588 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: or wipe away anything, you're destroying evidence there. You have 589 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: to be able to contain it. And that's what they 590 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: were doing. And they're pointing to the number and the 591 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: clustering of these injuries. But Dave, you know what one 592 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: thing is really fascinating about this that I saw. I 593 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: think I saw two of them. There's a transfer bloody 594 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: handprint on her back, her bare back where you can 595 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: see that a hand has been placed and it's in 596 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: and I've seen this happen before. I famously had a 597 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: a a domestic abuse case many years ago, where this 598 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: this guy was he would take his belt, he'd get drunk, 599 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: he'd take his belt off and he would beat his 600 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: wife with it, and then he drank and well, he 601 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: passed down on the sofa drunk. He had beaten her 602 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: with a belt. The belt was still laid on the 603 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: floor and she got on top of him, and there 604 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: were bloody handprints all on his back. She broke the 605 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: knife blade off in his back. Wow, as a steak knife. 606 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. But you could actually make out. 607 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: And I used this to teach my students about trace 608 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: evidence and transfer evidence and this sort of thing. You 609 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: can actually see this on her back, but I think. 610 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: You could see the handprint on d. D. Blanchard. 611 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can clearly, clearly demonstrated. 612 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 2: Now you mentioned that DEDE. Blanchard has been stabbed at 613 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 2: least seventeen times. She's got the wound to the neck. 614 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: But was her body then positioned or was what else 615 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 2: was going on? Because the entire focus of today is 616 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 2: about the photographs that were taken at the scene of 617 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 2: the crime, which have now been released, and I do 618 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 2: not know what type of value they have other than 619 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 2: prurian interest that these photos could possibly have to anyone 620 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 2: other than Again, I don't see this as a teachable 621 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: moment here, but it's not. It's taken. 622 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's teachable in the sense that 623 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: if you're running a forensic science program or crom scene 624 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: program somewhere, and they're not the best quality photos that 625 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: I've ever seen generated from a crim scene. All right, 626 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: these photos how important? I'll tell you how important it is. 627 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: It's it's important in the sense of you've frozen that 628 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: moment in tom You've captured it where let's just say, 629 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: for instance, and I'd love to talk about forensic photography 630 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: this way, you're there, your eyes on as an investigator, 631 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: where you are snapping these photographs to tell a story 632 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: about what actually happened this case. Let's just say a 633 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: case like this might go and solve for fifty years. Well, 634 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: by the time, by the time the case makes any headway, 635 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 1: everybody that worked that case is either retired or dead. 636 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: So all we have to rely on is the photographic documentation, 637 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: any kind of notes that were taken at that moment 638 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: time that can take us and transport us back to 639 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: that moment in time. That's why it's so important when 640 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: you do crime scene photography that you have frozen those moments. 641 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: Dave to the point so that and you make it, say, dude, 642 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: you make it so clear that when these new investigators 643 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 1: get their eyes on all of this documentation, you literally 644 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: transport them back in time day. Just think about how 645 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: powerful that is. You know. One of the things I 646 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: think about is like the Hindenburg blowing up, you know 647 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: that film reel, which is like the first time something 648 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: like that ever happened, you know, like documenting in real time. 649 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and how horrific that was, 650 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,479 Speaker 1: but you get a sense for that moment in time, 651 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: you're transported back. 652 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:42,479 Speaker 2: Well. 653 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: With crime scene photography, one of the things that we 654 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: do is just so that to give people kind of 655 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: a primer about this. You imagine D. D. Blanchard's body 656 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: as the center of a clockface, okay, or the center 657 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: of a compass is actually a better example of this, 658 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: if possible, I'm going to start off on all four 659 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: points of the compass, taking what's referred to as macro photographs, 660 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: that is, in the broadest sense, where I'm going to 661 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: be extending out to the most distal, western, eastern, northern, 662 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: and southern perspective of this body. Then I'm going to 663 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: move in about half that distance and do it again, 664 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: and then half that distance again and do it again, 665 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: all the while kind of tightening down that focus. Because 666 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: if you think of yourself as observing something Let's say 667 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: you've got damage to your car and you walk out. 668 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: You don't just look at the damage to your car 669 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: that's in your driveway and say and walk right up 670 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: to it and say that's it. You're going to get 671 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: a wide, broad ranging perspective because your perspective might change, 672 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: and every view that you have of the scene is 673 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: going to be lost after that body has gone, maybe 674 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: long after this little habitat for humanity home is taken 675 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: down to the ground at sometime in the future. You've 676 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: frozen that moment in time. And so when you get 677 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: down to the nuts and bolts, when you get into 678 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: the microphotography here and I say micro, I'm using that 679 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: very very loosely. It's not like we're using a microscope. 680 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about macro, broad, micro small. And you 681 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: begin to look at those little details. That's why I 682 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: wanted to point out the handprint to you, or the 683 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: nature of the stab Wounes. You know, I can see 684 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,720 Speaker 1: that stab wound at the scene, even though it's crusted 685 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: in blood. I can appreciate the scene that this is 686 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: a single edged weapon. Okay, well, if I can delineate that, 687 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: I know that I'm not looking for a dagger. I 688 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: know that I'm looking for a blade, for a knife, 689 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: for a sharp instrument that only has a single edge 690 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: to it, so that that kind of narrows things down 691 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: at that point in time, and any of the other 692 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 1: associated you can tell, yeah, yeah, pretty clearly. You see 693 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: it better in the morgue once it's cleaned up. But 694 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,479 Speaker 1: for our purposes, there might be that moment in time 695 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: where you're standing there with a detective and if you're 696 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: doing the examination, you say, look at this, and you 697 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: see that it is single edged and a single edge. 698 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: I always tell people a knife wound looks like a 699 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: winking eye, and it kind of does it if you 700 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,919 Speaker 1: imagine the outer portion of the eye is where the 701 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: actual blade is. The inner portion of the eye is 702 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: kind of the blunted backstrap of the knife itself. And 703 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: so you're looking at this and then you can get 704 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: an idea Dave also in the orientation of how the 705 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: weapon was held. Now, I'm not saying people always ask me, 706 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: can you tell the individual's left handed right handed? That's 707 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: very difficult to do. There are people out there that 708 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: say that they claim they can do that. I'm sure 709 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: that there are. It's not something I would want to try, 710 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: but I can tell you the orientation of the knife. 711 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,879 Speaker 1: I can tell you that they were holding it so 712 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: that the blade, the sharp edge was was oriented to 713 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: the left or to the right. And if it's oriented 714 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: to the left and the right, because you're talking about 715 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: seventeen injuries, you have to the idea is that they 716 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: changed their position relative to the attack. They maybe changed hands, 717 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: went to the offhand, and they got tired. Stabbing somebody 718 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 1: is something that is physically taxing to undertake, and so 719 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: you're documenting that all along. I guess the question that 720 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: I would ask is what's the public's need to see this? 721 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 2: Right? That's my whole point, Joe. When Yoused told me 722 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 2: these pictures were going to we're getting out there, I 723 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 2: thought they were like pictures that had been edited, things 724 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,240 Speaker 2: have been blocked out, and we're talking about real crime 725 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 2: scene photos that have made their way into the public 726 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 2: on purpose. 727 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: Apparently, Yeah, they've been released on very broadly. I mean 728 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: they're worldwide now. I mean they're on a Google drive 729 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: that somebody just kind of released, and it's my understanding 730 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: they have been released before. But again we go back 731 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: to this idea. Doesn't this come full circle. Yeah, we 732 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: go back to this idea that it's all a show. 733 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: It's all a show, Dave, because now we're super saturated 734 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: in the media with Gypsy Rose Blanchard. We're following her life, 735 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: we're seeing everything that's gone on. And let me throw 736 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: this out to you as kind of the cherry on 737 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: top of the Sunday. Only do we get to see 738 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: Gypsy with her plastic surgery on her nose. Not only 739 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: do we hear about her breakup with her boyfriend, not 740 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: only do we hear she's getting married, not only do 741 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: we hear that she's pregnant. But to round it all off, 742 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: let's show the images of her slaughtered mother. Regardless of 743 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: how you might feel about Dede Blanchard, ask yourself, this, 744 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,439 Speaker 1: what's the purpose. I know it has nothing to do 745 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: with forensics. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks