WEBVTT - Conversations About Going Against The Grain

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<v Speaker 1>Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No

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<v Speaker 1>Sinners Podcast with your host Now, fuck that with your load, glasses, maloney, dog,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the deal? Tell me?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what what what the hell are we

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<v Speaker 2>doing here today?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? Someone was on my mind. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>this dope ass me and it was a really amazing me. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a picture because of a candle, right, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a community of candles and they shaped

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<v Speaker 1>like humans, right, but they're candles. That their head is candles,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're headed to a podium where somebody is hanging.

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<v Speaker 1>And the man that's actually taking it's a man that's

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<v Speaker 1>his head is like a light bulb, and he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to the place where people get hung at that the

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<v Speaker 1>hangman is taking him over there, and and the hangman

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<v Speaker 1>is taking him up there as everybody the candles look

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<v Speaker 1>on sure sure and that that picture really resonated with me,

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<v Speaker 1>like because I felt like this almost my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>I tweeted the picture on my Twitter at g Malone

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody said, man, glasses, is that really what it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do you just be going against the grain? And

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<v Speaker 1>it goes back to some of you always joke with

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<v Speaker 1>me and like man trolling, and it blows me away

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<v Speaker 1>that people don't realize, like I don't believe in like

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<v Speaker 1>going against the grain. Like every time I say something

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<v Speaker 1>and people don't get what I'm saying, it's really frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>and it's hella lonely. It's like I could have a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with somebody, right, like my top five favorite, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>not the top my top five favorite. Like I look

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<v Speaker 1>at professional sports, let's say basketball, by what you accomplished

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<v Speaker 1>as a professional. What all of the things you accomplished

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<v Speaker 1>as a professional basketball player in the league? Right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you do as a rookie? Did you make

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<v Speaker 1>the All Star? Did you lead in any league that

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<v Speaker 1>you know categories? Did you make any all NBA teams?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you win any league you know individual awards? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you win a championship? Did you win any accomplishments extra

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<v Speaker 1>because you guys won a championship like a finals MVP. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I kind of go through these mathematical processes to

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<v Speaker 1>really decide who's like how I would rank it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like for example, Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward

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<v Speaker 1>to me of all time. You had the greatest NBA

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<v Speaker 1>career of all power forwards. The second one would be

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Rodman, the third one would be Gianni's Antetokunpo, the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth one would be Kevin Garnett, and the fifth one

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<v Speaker 1>would be Dirt Mayo. This is all not taking Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Pettitt into thought, right, as you know. But people hear

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<v Speaker 1>me say Rodman as the second best power forward right,

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<v Speaker 1>which to me would make him a top ten all

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<v Speaker 1>time NBA player, right. Because NBA is played in teams,

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<v Speaker 1>it's five man there's no one on one. So I

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<v Speaker 1>always look at the best five like the best five

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<v Speaker 1>starting in a position, because nobody plays on one on one.

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<v Speaker 1>If I try to make the league one on one

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<v Speaker 1>who I thought was better, it wouldn't take into account

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<v Speaker 1>anything but my ignorance in what could happen in a

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<v Speaker 1>one on one basketball game because no body is playing

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<v Speaker 1>each other in one on one. It's only a team sport.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is Math saying this to me. Math said that.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I say the best five NBA players of

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<v Speaker 1>all time is Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Lebron, James Tim Duncan,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Russell, is because those five guys accomplish the most

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<v Speaker 1>as an NBA player from those positions. The second five

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<v Speaker 1>would be Steph Curry, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, Dennis Robin,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kareem Abdujabbor. But people hear the term, they hear

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Robman's name, and most people immediately disagree because he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't score a ton of points. And then you'll hear

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<v Speaker 1>this traditional argument of oh, you know, well, you know

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<v Speaker 1>his offense, and I'm like, well, he's the greatest offensive rebounder,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, considered the greatest offensive rebounder in the modern era.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure that's offense. Yeah, Like you would look at kreemab

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<v Speaker 1>du Jabbar scoring thirty points a game, and you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>care that he averaged three assists. Who the fuck cares

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<v Speaker 1>he averages thirty points. Well, if a guy is averaging

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<v Speaker 1>seven assists, I mean, excuse, excuse me seven offensive rebounds,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like nobody fucking does that. Yeah, not not in

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<v Speaker 1>the modern era of hoops. Nobody's averaging seven offensive rebounds

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<v Speaker 1>a game. Like, if you go back into the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six finals, I think Dennis Rodman broke the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>rebounding per game record two or three times.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, he also broke the underhand outlet pass record several times.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So I look at his defense, I think Defensive

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<v Speaker 1>Player of the Year. Like I've done enough math to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Since the invention of the Defensive Player award, the MVP

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<v Speaker 1>has gone to an offensive situation. If you understand, the

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<v Speaker 1>NBA values offense, right, because that's what selles seats. Ninety

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<v Speaker 1>five ninety eight percent of the time, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>pick the offensive player that has the greatest highlights in

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA at the time for the most part. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's no true way to pick it. But the math

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<v Speaker 1>gives me the consistency to think. You know, I wager

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<v Speaker 1>on the math that has already been proven, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how I come up with my thoughts. So I can

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<v Speaker 1>look at a Dennis Ridman, who is a two time

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<v Speaker 1>Defensive Player of the Year, mind you, on teams that

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<v Speaker 1>are the number one defensive teams in the NBA, not

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<v Speaker 1>not all the time the number one offensive teams, but

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much ninety nine percent of the times, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the number one defensive Player of the year

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<v Speaker 1>with one of the best defensive players of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, He's been the best defensive player on every

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<v Speaker 1>team he's been on, and every team he's been on

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<v Speaker 1>has had a top two or three defense, if not

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<v Speaker 1>number one, they may have a number eleven offense, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Pistons, did you know what I mean? Or the

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<v Speaker 1>Bulls where you know the second and third year, they

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<v Speaker 1>might have had a number four offense, right, but they

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<v Speaker 1>had the number one defense. So I can see his

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<v Speaker 1>impact on the court. But it's not because I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of Dennis Robbin. It's because mathematically I value offense

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<v Speaker 1>and defense the exact same. So I equate the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>Player of the Year with the MVP. Right. I equate

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<v Speaker 1>great defenders with great offensive players, especially if they're accomplishing

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<v Speaker 1>things like all defensive first teams, rebounding records, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>defensive player of the year, whether it's block shots, steals,

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<v Speaker 1>I equate that. And then so even when I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>from the offensive side, for Dennis Robin, he's the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>offensive rebounder in the modern era for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe more es Malone can argue that, but

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<v Speaker 1>people can't average six and seven offense. This is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be like the equivalent of somebody scoring thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five points a game. That's how rare it is on

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's the spurt was shorter. But didn't

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Wallace have a little run where he stacked up

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of rebounding numbers for sure?

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<v Speaker 1>But he's not even the offensive rebounder, and nor did

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<v Speaker 1>he rebound the ball nearly as well as Dennis Robin.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was the defender Dennis Robin.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I thought somebody, who the hell was it? Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>says Robin put up like fifteen or sixteen boards a

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<v Speaker 2>game for a few years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Drummond did really well drumming. But so what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, even

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<v Speaker 1>even with Ben Wilace out the fact that Dennis Robin

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<v Speaker 1>is such an incredible offensive rebounder, I can position him

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<v Speaker 1>even as a two way player. And most got Magic Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>who does get a ton of credit for really good defense.

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<v Speaker 1>He had the steals record multiple times. Like great players

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<v Speaker 1>figure out how to make a difference even if it's

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<v Speaker 1>not in the traditional sense. Even if Magic Johnson isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest one on one defender like you can put

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<v Speaker 1>on the basketball court, he still was able to make

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<v Speaker 1>NBA League leading defensive things happen like the Steels title

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<v Speaker 1>two or three times, and since he was an NBA player,

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<v Speaker 1>no sillers, gl my brother Peter just working some shit

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<v Speaker 1>out like usual. So the mathematics of it all is

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<v Speaker 1>how I come up with it. I don't come up

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<v Speaker 1>with this shit to argue with people, like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to start a fucking argument with people. Rest is sure.

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<v Speaker 1>If I said something, it's because I've done mathematical work

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with the thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you appreciated my analysis of your style,

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<v Speaker 2>being like, you get pushed to a point where everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else in the room is saying something so absurd that

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<v Speaker 2>you have to then say the rational and people think

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<v Speaker 2>that you're trolling the room because the room's consensus is

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<v Speaker 2>North and you're like, no idiots South.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And for the most part, I will let them

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<v Speaker 1>just say it. I will let people just say ignorant shit,

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<v Speaker 1>bro Like, I will not keep thinking about it until

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<v Speaker 1>it starts being overwhelming and it's a room full of

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<v Speaker 1>motherfuckers saying bullshit. Then I gotta say something, Hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that is not true. That is not true. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>go around finding motherfuckers to disagree with I hate man.

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<v Speaker 1>Disagreeing with the masses is such a lonely road. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I was on a podcast with these two ladies, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you in New York, the Horrible Decisions Girl Mandy

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<v Speaker 1>and Wheezy Right and the girl were asking me. The

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<v Speaker 1>girls were asking me, They say, man, Glasses, how do

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<v Speaker 1>we meet a quality guy, like without going through the

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<v Speaker 1>rigm Monroe or the bullshit? And I'm like, so they start.

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<v Speaker 1>I start asking them questions.

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<v Speaker 2>How do I get a bunch of money without having

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<v Speaker 2>to have a job.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my thing was, I start asking questions, and mathematically

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<v Speaker 1>I came up with, well, you shouldn't put out until

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<v Speaker 1>you get married. That's who you will see who somebody

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<v Speaker 1>really is, if you really want to see. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was six seven hundred, eight hundred women in

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<v Speaker 1>my comments. You go look on my Instagram at Glasses

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<v Speaker 1>low it's women cussing me out because I'm telling them

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest advice possible based off the mathematics. Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like I went into a Bible and picked up

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<v Speaker 1>the wisdom of thousands of years. The mathematics says the

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<v Speaker 1>same shit right now, And that kind of in that

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<v Speaker 1>becomes the story of my existence all the time. Cuz,

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<v Speaker 1>like right now, like one of the most important things

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<v Speaker 1>to me, right and it should be to anybody in

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit of something great is to succeed at a level

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<v Speaker 1>that very few succeed, right, or really to maximize who

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<v Speaker 1>you are. Let's say that, right, I know I can

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<v Speaker 1>have a gold album. That's my goal, a gold album

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<v Speaker 1>because at that point, if you have a gold album,

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<v Speaker 1>you have broken through the underground. It don't mean you

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<v Speaker 1>a star, like let's say Drake or Kendrick Lamar or

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<v Speaker 1>Kanye West, but you're not underground no more. At least

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<v Speaker 1>you're on top of the sement. And I know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>worthy of being there right now, wherever.

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<v Speaker 2>Else I go.

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<v Speaker 1>Once I get from the underground onto the no I

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<v Speaker 1>break through. Fine, But that's the goal. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>keep talking to people around me bro like I'm like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>like we really are misusing technology when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop, Like we're misusing everything about being alive and

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop right now. You know, we're not using any

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<v Speaker 1>of the tools. We're still playing by rules that were

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<v Speaker 1>created forty years ago for completely different technology. Like we

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the guys in the nineties like were way

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<v Speaker 1>smarter or better, and it's like, no, man, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>back then. If you like the singles, they forced you

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<v Speaker 1>to buy the album. They would spend all of this

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous money to work a single because they knew if

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<v Speaker 1>you liked that single and you went to the store

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<v Speaker 1>to buy it to hear it again, they was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get fifteen or twenty dollars out your

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<v Speaker 1>ass for the album. They purposely undership the singles because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to make three or four dollars on

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<v Speaker 1>those cassettes. No, they wanted to make fifteen or twenty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars for the compact. This the whole album. And then

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<v Speaker 1>at that time you were forced to digest the brand

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<v Speaker 1>of the artist you were buying because you heard all

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<v Speaker 1>of the songs and they were really nice musicians, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. So obviously doctor Dre was able

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the chronic is brilliant and he gave

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<v Speaker 1>you He presented a brand of a person that we

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<v Speaker 1>all came to know and love, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Dre or Snoop, right, But we were very much

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<v Speaker 1>forced into it because rest is sure, if they printed

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<v Speaker 1>up enough CDs of g Thing and Dreda and let

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<v Speaker 1>me ride in little ghetto boy. More people than not

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<v Speaker 1>would have bought the fucking single. It's cheaper and it's

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<v Speaker 1>what I want, So it's simple business. So I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>people that in in a climate that people really felt

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<v Speaker 1>like singles market albums and they don't singles market themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say something like that, bro, it drives

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<v Speaker 1>people crazy. And I'm like, because so long the room

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<v Speaker 1>has been saying singles market albums, that was the thought

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<v Speaker 1>exactly funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking in the car yesterday about remember that

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<v Speaker 2>pareto distribution thing I sent you with you a while back,

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<v Speaker 2>like a week ago.

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<v Speaker 1>To them, Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>It was described. I've seen that concept illustrated with the

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<v Speaker 2>way that the USSR, like when they toppled the Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>and they had the massive famine because all the really

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<v Speaker 2>good farmers got killed and they took all their land

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<v Speaker 2>and gave it to the peasants. Well, the peasants were

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<v Speaker 2>not good farmers, that's why they were peasants. And the

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<v Speaker 2>good farmers were running all the farms. They were good farmers,

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<v Speaker 2>so they couldn't come with any more grain, and they

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<v Speaker 2>all died, so like and so far aside that applies

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<v Speaker 2>to some music. The distribution is pounds of grain. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not plants of grain, you know. So like now, the

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<v Speaker 2>distribution metric is streams. It's not how many songs you make,

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<v Speaker 2>how good the song, how many albums, know, it's how

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<v Speaker 2>many streams. That's pounds of grain. It doesn't matter how

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<v Speaker 2>many grain plants you have if you only get in

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<v Speaker 2>one kernel of plant, you know. And I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the you like like exactly, kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying, like that, it's a it's a new

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<v Speaker 2>paradigm the light bulb by all the candles. Every time

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<v Speaker 2>you have a paradigm disruptor, it's hanging the disruptor. No

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<v Speaker 2>one wants to deal with the disruptor. It's uncertainty. It

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<v Speaker 2>creates problems. That could have been a bunch of combustion

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<v Speaker 2>vehicles and an electric car. It could have been Fiat

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<v Speaker 2>currencies and bitcoin. It could have been any of a

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<v Speaker 2>number it could it could have been copper and graphy.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been anything, you know, but they chose

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<v Speaker 2>candles and light bulbs. And it's a perfect illustration. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think as far as music, goes Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 2>needs to start to shift from that album mentality. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean at the end of the day, really, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you love to death an artist, it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hard, like it's it's it's not it's not saying

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard. It's harder for the artists to hold the

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<v Speaker 2>attention of the listener in a digital environment that's cloud based.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, you just gave me a crazy idea during that conversation, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>once I figure out what the minimum per stream is,

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<v Speaker 1>like the minimum time, Sure, if it's thirty seconds, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what if I took thirty seconds? Right if I told

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<v Speaker 1>a story that was six minutes long over the same beat,

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<v Speaker 1>but I broke it up because you could have zero

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can have zero space.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to look at like YouTube ads. YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>bads are giving fifteen seconds if you don't say the

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<v Speaker 2>name of the company in the first fifteen seconds until

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<v Speaker 2>that skip button hits. How many times do I not

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<v Speaker 2>know who the fuck even the advertiser was because they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get to the name of the company in fifteen seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm saying, let's say, if it's thirty seconds, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>then I just make it one track two track, three track,

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<v Speaker 1>four track. That's pretty good. It could be the same song,

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<v Speaker 1>but space, you know, the zero space as a choice.

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<v Speaker 2>So you get credit for fors to the credit for

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<v Speaker 2>one boom boom. There we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, back to your point, forgive me. No, I was done, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to respond to it. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>writing that idea as you were. It was hitting me

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<v Speaker 1>stream metrics. What was the last thing you said? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Like, Now, I think about how how confining

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<v Speaker 2>the album was. You're in your car, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>put it in. You hit next, You're still confined to

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<v Speaker 2>the same disc. You can only go to the next song.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're hit next, You're in a whole other genre,

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<v Speaker 2>with a whole other artist and a whole other album

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<v Speaker 2>a song. There's no more confines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, good point. But I don't think it's because

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<v Speaker 1>the audience has a short attention span. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>it is no, no, Okay, okay, forgive me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying technologically speaking, the effort level, like the the

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<v Speaker 2>physical actual barrier to leave the album now vers twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years ago, is totally diferent.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, you're definitely more convenient.

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<v Speaker 2>At best, especially in a car. I mean like when

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<v Speaker 2>they had the six discer and you had it on

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<v Speaker 2>a shuffle. That's as much of a mix as you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get. Fact now, Yeah, and you got cloud mixes

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.680
<v Speaker 2>now that people put together that have aggregated data that

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<v Speaker 2>people now get spends and they get money because they

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<v Speaker 2>just put together good mixes of other people's shit. They

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<v Speaker 2>have a good.

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<v Speaker 1>Channel, which is what a mixtape was. Yeah. Sure, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think there is opportunity, right. I think there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>more opportunity than ever before. But I just think you

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<v Speaker 1>have to stop playing by old rules absolutely, and when

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<v Speaker 1>either I bring these conversations to people because they make

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like that fucking light bulb in a room

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<v Speaker 1>full of candles, and niggas want me hung, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like everybody is my whole life, not just my

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<v Speaker 1>music career, my whole life because everybody been forcing me

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<v Speaker 1>to play ball. But the problem with the way most

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<v Speaker 1>people are playing ball ninety percent of the time, ninety

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<v Speaker 1>out of one hundred, there are the ten times, like

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<v Speaker 1>my older homie Pluck, there is sometimes he tell me

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<v Speaker 1>something that makes perfect sense, even because I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 1>the math or I don't know the math in that arena, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like gangbanging. He would tell me certain things because he

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<v Speaker 1>understood the math better in that arena. But I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation with people. It's not about that. Like nine

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<v Speaker 1>times out of ten, they're just doing what they think

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<v Speaker 1>they are supposed to do versus why it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And that shit is fucking frustrating, bro. And whenever you challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the room because the math. You're doing the

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<v Speaker 1>math that everybody's saying, but you're coming up with a

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<v Speaker 1>different solution. You're doing the equation, but the solution is different.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing the multiplication, but the product is different. You're

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<v Speaker 1>doing the division, you're doing the adding, but the sum

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<v Speaker 1>is different. You're doing the subtraction, but the difference is different. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, I'm not getting what you're getting.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's easy, and I get it because I've been

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<v Speaker 1>on people's podcast. Fucking Big Court got me like that

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<v Speaker 1>one time. I'm saying something and he acted like when

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<v Speaker 1>the camera's on, he didn't get it. And when the

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<v Speaker 1>camera went off, he was like, yeah, I was just

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<v Speaker 1>fucking with you to make conversation, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>am I the only person I'm dead serious about? What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying all the time, Like I don't think people

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<v Speaker 1>really believe all. I believe all the shit I am saying.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm talking about Dennis Raman being the second best part,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it. And it's only because I'm doing the mathematics.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying who I like better. If you ask

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<v Speaker 1>me who I would like better, the list would probably

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<v Speaker 1>be completely different. If it was the five power forwards

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<v Speaker 1>I like better or I like watching It's completely different

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<v Speaker 1>than the five greatest you know which. We have accomplishments

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with that thing. But people will I

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<v Speaker 1>separate what they like from accomplishments, or they will not separate,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, offense being the centers piece of what they like.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though every last professional great, all time great coach

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<v Speaker 1>or sportsman in the history of the thing will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you defense wins championships. And that's why we play sports

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, is to win.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, John, the simplest math in assessing a team sport

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<v Speaker 2>is what is your impact footprint, so to speak, on

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<v Speaker 2>a team and how much did the team win? If

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<v Speaker 2>you're the eighth guy on the importance hierarchy of your roster,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care that you're like like Jack Haley winning

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<v Speaker 2>four rings or whatever, hanging out with Robin to keep

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<v Speaker 2>him in line. I don't care about you, Jack, Sorry, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>But like if your top one, two, three on a

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<v Speaker 2>team and you got five or you got six, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to multiply six by point eight five importance index score,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, and then you get five.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're Robert ri and you got six, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>a point two five index score, you only got like

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<v Speaker 2>one and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, But I think it just makes people feel

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<v Speaker 1>better when they they can disregard me presenting a different

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<v Speaker 1>solution to a problem that they never did the work

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<v Speaker 1>on themselves. People, And I get why, bro, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>think men hered me and you have talked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people are stupid or incapable of doing

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<v Speaker 1>the work. I don't think they they don't have what

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<v Speaker 1>it takes to do to work. I think they are

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<v Speaker 1>Hella distracted in Hella lazy one or the other right

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<v Speaker 1>to where people don't want to do the math on

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<v Speaker 1>their own. They say, just give me the answer and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm a right to answer. It made me think

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<v Speaker 1>like I took pride in taking tests. I'm starting to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that that is not normal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not normal. I was the guy with the zero. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>here's my high school life. I would get a low

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<v Speaker 2>F on my homework score portion of the grade and

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<v Speaker 2>a high A on my test score portion of grade

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want do any work. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>would go before finals a week and negotiate with the teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>If I get a ninety and eight or better on

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<v Speaker 2>the final, will you give me a B minus and

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 2>disregarded as assignments. I blew off because I have a

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 2>ninety six percent test average, and the guy would think,

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<v Speaker 2>you're never gonna get a ninety eight, so of course

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<v Speaker 2>I'll offer you that deal. You're never gonna get it,

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<v Speaker 2>And then I would get it, and I'd get my

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<v Speaker 2>B minus and go home, and then I do every

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<v Speaker 2>single fucking solitary class that they had to offer me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I didn't learn the lesson of school, which

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 2>is school is about learning a process and learning about time.

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 2>All the things that school teaches you that they don't

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.320
<v Speaker 2>tell you that they're teaching you. I didn't learn those things.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just learned the material that they were teaching me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny that term you use, negotiate. I

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 1>think we don't negotiate enough. I think a lot of

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>things we're doing we're just taking what everybody's telling us

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 1>what it is. Yeah, I think we need to really

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:17.159
<v Speaker 1>push that term and really push the idea of negotiation,

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<v Speaker 1>because that was important. There's all kind of deals to

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<v Speaker 1>be made, Like it's driving me crazy, Like I'm like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get a gold album, Like I have

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<v Speaker 1>a gold single, but I need a gold album. Like

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I need my brand to sell five hundred thousand copies

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.119
<v Speaker 1>in America, Like that is my goal when I didn't

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.400
<v Speaker 1>have one, that I figured out what it was, and

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<v Speaker 1>now to achieve it independently, it's such a challenge, Like

0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>there's very few there's very few companies who've done it,

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 1>like Delicious Vinyls. And maybe I need to do some

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>homework because man if I did it as an independent bro,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be like incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just just hear me. This is a very badly illustrated,

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<v Speaker 2>off the top of my head scenario of the hypothetical.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take what you were talking about with short song concepts,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's suppose you did I'll say, for the sake

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 2>of it, like TikTok songs, songs that are short enough

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 2>to fit within whatever the framework of the real length is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, And you just do it

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 2>like r Kelly trapped in the closet, where you got

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 2>parts want to do? Provide seventy eight and nine and

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 2>it's a five minute song, but it's broken up into

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>ten parts that are all thirty seconds. They proliferate in

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>total through every platform in the world. You get whatever

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the hell astronomical total downloads are. They just qualify you

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<v Speaker 2>on their paradigm for being gold. But you're the most

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<v Speaker 2>viral name in the industry because you put together these

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 2>stories that are consumable in total on every single platform

0:26:57.560 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 2>by every single person on every single platform. And now

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you're more listened to in the aggregate than the next

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>guy who certified gold. But you're not certified gold because

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<v Speaker 2>your paradigm doesn't match into the systems and play because

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<v Speaker 2>they are cane.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but I think they would still certify you.

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<v Speaker 1>Go then they just wouldn't certify the next guy. Goal.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, then be the new the first guy on the

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<v Speaker 2>new system.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But see that's what I did with Tupac mus

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<v Speaker 1>Die like that. Was the problem, Like like I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to shake everything, but they pretty much you know,

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>banned me, shadow ban me. Like this nigga is pushing out,

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, like Gangster Rap was in the early eight

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>in the late eighties, where it was like this is

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.959
<v Speaker 1>too much. I mean it was it was crazy is

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>it was too much? The intellect the thought of that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a fear, you know what I mean, for

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.239
<v Speaker 1>people to have where it's like, damn, somebody could have

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of power.

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<v Speaker 2>The New Top was a five part series facts. They

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<v Speaker 2>had twenty five million TikTok down Loows because they that's

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<v Speaker 2>the fun anything. I was listening to some people talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and I've thought about this for a long

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>time because I have a few friends of mine that

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<v Speaker 2>are not famous, but very very very good at social

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>media and have built like very sizable followerships for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>The government's going after TikTok, right, they're trying to shut

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<v Speaker 2>it down into a four sale of TikTok, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>suggesting that China's doing ABCDFG. I don't think that that's

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily true. They point to Sartain, but he could be.

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 2>It could be, but it has a very similar feel

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<v Speaker 2>to the five G Huawei hardware conspiracy, which turned out

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<v Speaker 2>to be disproven, and they say, oh, well, China's pushing

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>this idea. No, they're not pushing it. They have the purest,

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>most finely tuned and distilled algorithm for virality of all

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>the platforms. So when you have a smaller and expanding

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<v Speaker 2>base of users and you have that type of purity,

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>whatever gets hot early goes wild. It's a brushfire. So

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 2>they had a brushfire of you know, topic A, B, C,

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and D that didn't happen on a already very hefty

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<v Speaker 2>followership of like Instagram that has walls built up around

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<v Speaker 2>what can go viral and how. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they TikTok perfectly honest with you, is guilty of what

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<v Speaker 2>they being accused of.

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<v Speaker 1>M Yeah, it seemed like to me when you use

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<v Speaker 1>your brain and you do the mathematics to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with that, like there's a group of people that don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to think, yeah.

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not a group, it's there's a there are there

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<v Speaker 2>is a group of people who want to think.

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<v Speaker 1>M. Yes, it's just hell of frustrating, And I feel bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of people who listen to

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<v Speaker 1>no selings. They have to be people like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you have to be willing to do the work.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I got a handful of like random like inboxes

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<v Speaker 2>because of some and that was like that was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a shots fired kind of like heat check

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<v Speaker 2>post that I did about like with the Kendrick Kobe

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<v Speaker 2>and and people got bent out of shape and I

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<v Speaker 2>got inboxed about it by a handful of people, and

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<v Speaker 2>only Mook was the only guy who knew exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>I meant before I said it. So anybody who inboxed me,

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<v Speaker 2>I just sent him like a forty five second voice

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<v Speaker 2>message back. I was like I meant it in this

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 2>context this way, and they're like, oh, I should just

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 2>say so. So they got it, and they were all

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 2>thoughtful people that took took, you know whatever. There was

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<v Speaker 2>one guy who was the coolest guy and he's from

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina and I got it. He didn't follow me, so

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>it came up in one of those like hidden messages,

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and his profile picture is nip. I'm like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a death threat. I'm like, watch, I'm a clerless,

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be I'm gonna dude was way cool.

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>We had a.

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Conversation back and forth. Very thoughtful guy, but like this

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 2>audience is a very intellectually intellectually engaged thinking audience. That's

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of the lightning rod that you know you've

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>put up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, facts, do you think it's something? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it's disingenuous to use those kinds of things that you

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<v Speaker 1>know people are going to have emotional outrage too to

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<v Speaker 1>make points because you know they're going to have emotional

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<v Speaker 1>outrage to him.

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<v Speaker 2>In a state of in a in an integrity vacuum. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>in reality, No, for the following reason. I think people

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<v Speaker 2>are stuck in such a rut that it takes a

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>light bulb in a crowd of candles to like rattle

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>them and get their attention and serve as a catalyst

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<v Speaker 2>to critical thought. Critical thought is in scarce supply these days,

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>and it needs to be you know, there needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be a spark to a lot of dormant gasoline. And

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>I think that sometimes that's necessary. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's wrong. It just depends on why you're doing it.

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 2>If you're doing it for manipulative, stupid reasons or if

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing it for righteous reasons, is more so where

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<v Speaker 2>I would draw the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm, I guess that's what we're saying, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, that morality vacuum versus what's needed in

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<v Speaker 1>real life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we live in the age of platitudes everything,

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<v Speaker 2>like from a lot of artists, particularly in a highly

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>it's been a highly politicized environment for over a decade now,

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>and all of it is the better the vaguer, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Barack Obama's the first guy hope and change. What

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>does that even mean? You know? And now it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm campaigning for equality and prosperity or just some nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, those are just words, but people like them

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<v Speaker 2>and they Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's things that bring joy or or excitement to people

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>because those words hope and change are very much h

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>viral words. There are very much things that create excitement,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're not specifically talking about what you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to change or who you're bringing hope to or what

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<v Speaker 1>you're for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and that's absolutely playing to the moment in

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 2>history where people do not do the critical analysis, what

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 2>is the hope you're providing and how is the change

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen to meet said hope? Diagram the apparatus.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's doing it. They it's easier and cheaper and

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<v Speaker 2>funner to just say the thing, you know, And I

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:36.720
<v Speaker 2>think that that's not you know, that's not a long

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>term proposition. M hm.

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<v Speaker 1>What it caters to the Maybe maybe that's the problem. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Yeah, I'm never just going against the grain.

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<v Speaker 1>Well maybe you know, people keep saying that, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not catering to people's emotions enough, sure, or the emotions

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<v Speaker 1>that you cater to welleah, cater to the end to

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<v Speaker 1>make more than their emotions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like here's a hot take. People have no problem discussing,

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<v Speaker 2>like any quality of athleticism. Let's say, no matter what

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 2>the athleticism, anything physical. It could be black people are

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<v Speaker 2>faster on ground, white people are faster on water, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it might be. People are totally fine with a sesseg athletic.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, variabilities of outcome and how whatever form did

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 2>they come m People get real touchy about intellectual variability

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<v Speaker 2>of outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying is right or wrong. I'm just saying, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I would to assume that that guy by association could

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<v Speaker 2>jump higher, but that guy by association doesn't do math.

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<v Speaker 1>Real.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they do when they when they needed to

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<v Speaker 1>use today benefit. I mean, my idea for why people

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<v Speaker 1>don't think is I just think they're too consumed with

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:13.440
<v Speaker 1>everything else going on in life. I think people do

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>drugs because they don't want to have to deal with

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>real life. I think people get drunk because they don't

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.839
<v Speaker 1>want to have to deal with real life, almost as

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>if they get to use it as a way. Like

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<v Speaker 1>when I hear people say, well, I'm just trying to

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>have some fun when they drinking, and I'm like, well,

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>why not just have fun? Like, I don't get why

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>do you need to do anything extra besides have fun?

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm confusing. It's a weird space where you, like, you know,

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>people are going dates, women are let men take them

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 1>on dates to places and drink alcohol, And why are

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>you lowering your inhibition? And I don't want to think.

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Everybody who's ever that I know that's an honest person

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 1>has told me alcohol is not really good. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a taste. It's not something you drink to taste, you

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.320
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like, if you're going to drink,

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>then they notice the taste, but compared to just beverages

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>in general, it's not something that tastes good.

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>So nobody puts alcohol flavor artificially on things. That was

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>one of my early comedy bits was about, don't tell

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 2>me your pussy tastes good. There's no pussy flavored ice cream.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 2>There's no pussy flavored sauce or condiments that you put

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 2>on other things to make them taste better. And the

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:32.800
<v Speaker 2>same hole is true for alcohol. Nobody pours alcohol on

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a steak because it's a little tough.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying so so I'm saying it's like like

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>people are making decisions. It's so many decisions being made

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 1>on autopilot. And when you stand up in a room

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and say, hey, man, why are you doing that? If

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.760
<v Speaker 1>if this is not your goal, it's like they don't

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>want to think. It's like you're pushing them to think,

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's fucking frustrate man, Like so many shit you

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't even have to be pushed to think about this generation.

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's true in the micro, and it expands in

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the macro. I don't really believe a lot personally in

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 2>groups and group think. I think, I mean, like I know,

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 2>it happens, happens but I think that it's reverse engineered

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 2>in the way it's delivered. A group is just a

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 2>group of individuals. You know, if you get the individuals

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 2>to look at this thing in the same way, then

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 2>it's now of a sudden you have a group think

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 2>but you don't. But this our generation and the ones

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>younger than us, there was a turning point. It's some

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 2>somewhere where the priority shifted from opportunity to security. And

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it was when stuff got good enough to

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<v Speaker 2>be good enough. Now people are like, look, just give

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 2>me the bare minimum and the least amount of headache

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's okay, where seventy years ago the bare minimum

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 2>wasn't good and that it wasn't okay. So people had

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 2>to have they had to have ambition, they had to have,

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.959
<v Speaker 2>you know, a pathway to get to what was okay,

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 2>because what was okay wasn't right in front of them.

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:18.959
<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's you know, manifested itself through

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 2>every aspect of society. Now, that's kind of like, principally speaking,

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't care you smoke weed all day. I don't like,

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't It doesn't bother me. The legal weed doesn't

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 2>bother me. But I can't sit back objectively and say

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't come to California and go this has become

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>a problem. There's too many people to smoke too much

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 2>weed too much of the time, and very few of

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>them are not negatively impacted by doing so.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm. I'm just I'm thinking, where is the meeting ground? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is the meeting ground to? I don't know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>because I could never just assimilate into people that like.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I won't call it group thought because they're not thinking

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:12.280
<v Speaker 1>at all. But I could never assimilate into a space

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>where I'm not doing the math, where I'm not doing

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the work, where you could just pass me the answer.

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I could never assimilate into that society. But somewhere along

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the line, for the sake of doing business, I have

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to connect to people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a big difference. I don't think

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 2>you should ever assimilate to the lowest common denominator, or

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>at least even to the most common denominator, if you

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>don't understand why you're doing it. But if you understand

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 2>why other people have assimilated to that common denominator, you

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 2>can relate to that catalyst and you can provide an

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<v Speaker 2>alternative spark, and I think that's kind of more So

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be able to do if you're engaged

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<v Speaker 2>and other people are not engaged, you have to understand

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<v Speaker 2>why are they not engaged, what are they engaged in?

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<v Speaker 2>And how can I get over there into that space

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<v Speaker 2>to which they're engaged.

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<v Speaker 1>What's funny is so I promise also to forgive me.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise myself well when I do podcasts here and

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<v Speaker 1>I will take notes to smart.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've noticed a lot of really dope artists, not a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but a decent amount have said they're going to dumb down, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard jay Z reference dumbing down, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you dumbed down to take advantage of people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's true to a degree. It depends on

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<v Speaker 2>your starting point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you dumbed down to only take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of people. First off, if you reference people like their

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<v Speaker 1>dumb because notice in this conversation, I've never referenced people

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<v Speaker 1>as dumb or and able to think right or stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they are. There are people that are ignorant,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know. I think people are lazy because they've

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<v Speaker 1>been conditioned, or I think people are distracted. Life throws

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 1>so many different things that you bro that you are distracted,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't people are depressed. Well, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>catch is to get smarter. Yeah, Like I think dumb

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<v Speaker 1>and down may have access you into millions of people. Right. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say if you dumb down as a rapper, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you you get to you know, millions of people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>two million people, because if you're dumbing down, you're speaking

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<v Speaker 1>their language. But what if you get smarter and then

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<v Speaker 1>you appeal to five hundred thousand people that can move

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<v Speaker 1>the world, Like instead of trying to pass a message

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<v Speaker 1>to trillions of sheep, you pass or you five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>shepherds to five hundred of shepherds, and then you still

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<v Speaker 1>move the sheets either way.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that, and and that's that to me, is

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<v Speaker 2>is a concerning statement that jay Z, that's what you said.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, he said dumb down double my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>The dumb down his his content or river. I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>numerous people on the complete other end of the spectrum

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<v Speaker 2>of society quote what's guy's name, Rush Limbaugh mm hm,

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<v Speaker 2>saying never disrespect your audience, Never assume your audience is

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<v Speaker 2>not smart enough for what you want to say. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I think that that's violent valid. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I'm gonna nerd out for a second. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be way nerdy. I've been I invested in this

0:43:55.080 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 2>company called Versus AI. They're different, They're a whole different

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 2>system of artificial intelligence. Their cognition is defined by and

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<v Speaker 2>they actually have like on their c level board, like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the leading neuroscientists of the brain and how

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<v Speaker 2>the human brain works, like in the world. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>modeling their entire program model after how the human brain learns,

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<v Speaker 2>not singularity they call that. They say, we're multiplicity in

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<v Speaker 2>Navidia chat GPT is singularity. So singularity and the current

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<v Speaker 2>paradigm of AI is what's the most common answer based

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<v Speaker 2>off this massive metadata of whatever the fuck when you

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<v Speaker 2>ask a question. All that means is you're taking everybody

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<v Speaker 2>and stuffing them at the high part of the bell curve.

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<v Speaker 2>You're giving everybody a one hundred IQ for better or worse.

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<v Speaker 2>The other apparatus is we're going to take our program

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to operate that the human brain is

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<v Speaker 2>going to learn by trial and error, the same way

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<v Speaker 2>that you know an adolescent eagle learns how to catch

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<v Speaker 2>a fish, the same where a human being learns how

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<v Speaker 2>to not crash a car all those other things. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's outcome oriented. And I think that dumbing down is

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<v Speaker 2>just a cheap way to try to hit the high

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<v Speaker 2>part of the bell curve, you know, whether you're in

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<v Speaker 2>it or not in it. And that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>general gist in opposed to trying to figure out, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>the high part of the bell curves here, they're focused

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<v Speaker 2>on this, how can I get the high part of

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<v Speaker 2>the bell curve by adjacents. It's like a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a bright light if you ever. If I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>here and there's a bright light over here, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to see it thirty degrees away, one hundred and seventy degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Away, I'm not going to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>How can I get my bright light thirty degrees away

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<v Speaker 2>so that they all see it? Kind of thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that. Well, yeah, I just have to

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<v Speaker 1>get smarter. I have to get wittier. Smart is all

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<v Speaker 1>about wit. I have to get wittier, sure and not.

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to dumb down. I need to get wittier,

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<v Speaker 1>Like fuck, if people you know it bothers people like

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm doing the math, but I just need

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<v Speaker 1>to get wittier. I need to get I need to

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<v Speaker 1>apply more with I don't need to dumb down. I

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<v Speaker 1>need to get smarter. I need to really you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, is if I get smarter, it works out.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, maybe you need to get I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say more casual. But one thing I thought was very

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting you were talking about with regard to the

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<v Speaker 2>Kendrick Lamar Drake thing, was how and like, I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>very frank, this recent stuff is the first Kendrick stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that I really liked. Sure you know, I'm not knocking

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<v Speaker 2>the guy I met him.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand that God has that has definitely God has done

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic job. God has done a fantastic job of

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 1>making his music really overly sophisticated at times. And he's

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>a really intelligent dude, you know, real smart, no music.

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<v Speaker 1>But he also knew how to do the same damn

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<v Speaker 1>thing without it being that way. But I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he probably has a really great reason. One thing I

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 1>can tell you about everybody at TDE, whatever they're doing,

0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 1>they doing it on purpose. Whether that's cute, whether that's die,

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 1>whether that's so, whether that's Jay Rock, or at least

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 1>that batch of people. They're doing it on purpose. This

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>particular situation he didn't like because it needed to be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of instant, like he didn't have enough time to

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<v Speaker 1>me to over complicate things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my point. You had said that this recent release

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<v Speaker 2>was the closest thing you have observe to actually knowing

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 2>him in person. Sure, if you were to walk open

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the door and there was five hundred people outside, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the voice on two seconds? Notice that you would use

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to five hundred people one at a time

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 2>as they were just kind of all you know, in

0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:21.040
<v Speaker 2>your face and shit like that. And that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be how you You need to take that moment and

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<v Speaker 2>not overthink it because you're likable to the masses at

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<v Speaker 2>the drop of a hat, you know, take that experience

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<v Speaker 2>into the studio because it's gonna be you wouldn't oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, as far for people outside. Let it come

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<v Speaker 2>with the most sophisticated way to not relate to them.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm gonna be really really highly intellectual in the process,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna walk outside and make a statement and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all gonna be like, what the fuck was that?

0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:53.800
<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna go back and side, you know, roll out,

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<v Speaker 2>do exactly how you would naturally do, where everybody likes

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 2>you of all scale, shape, size, and whatever. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>the voice you got to bring to the studio because

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<v Speaker 2>it's the most natural, it's the most and it's the

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<v Speaker 2>most socially developed into being you know you and why

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<v Speaker 2>you're likable as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here's a good question. Appeal to two million sheeps

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<v Speaker 1>or five hundred thousand shepherds. Excuse the dame million sheep

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<v Speaker 1>or five hundred thousand shepherd. I keep forgetting those words

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<v Speaker 1>of plural.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, it depends on the endgame. If the end

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<v Speaker 2>game is if the metric of grain is streams, you

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<v Speaker 2>probably want to go straight to the sheep. If the

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<v Speaker 2>metric of grain is social impact, you might want to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the shepherds. It depends on how you want

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<v Speaker 2>to value your grain.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't think the shepherd drive the sheep.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get the sense. I don't know the metrics.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sort of kind of like tantamount to marketing directly

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<v Speaker 2>to DJs or mixed guys digitally, assuming that if they

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.239
<v Speaker 2>put your shit high on their mix via some sort

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:23.479
<v Speaker 2>of payola apparatus that you're gonna get bang for your buck,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas that may or may not be true. If you

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<v Speaker 2>put content out that just plane hits to the masses,

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna put you on their mix. So, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit different in that regard, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the nuance is enough personally.

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