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Speaker 4: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
Speaker 4: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
Speaker 4: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey
Speaker 4: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Speaker 4: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
Speaker 4: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. In
Speaker 4: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
Speaker 4: scripted as well. Rain Drops, Claudia Blue and I and
Speaker 4: Jasmine Helly Bram will be joining us in a bit.
Speaker 4: We are here to talk about the latest episode of
Speaker 4: The Real Housewive of Atlanta. This episode had a lot
Speaker 4: of moments as I was watching it where I could
Speaker 4: not wait to talk to you ladies about this.
Speaker 5: So let's get right into it. The episode. Are you
Speaker 5: freshening up your gloss? Blue?
Speaker 4: Because there's a whole bunch of shit talking that I
Speaker 4: doesn't about to happen.
Speaker 5: So the episode opens up where we learned.
Speaker 4: You know, Kim Michelle had her operation, she had glam beer.
Speaker 4: Her husband's there and she is happy that, you know,
Speaker 4: everything is looking better for her.
Speaker 5: She still has a lot of ways to.
Speaker 4: Go due to the leakage of her button plants that
Speaker 4: she has been extremely open about that occurred. And then
Speaker 4: we see in the next scene that the ladies are
Speaker 4: at a nail salon. Okay, so this nail salon included Porsche, Phaedra,
Speaker 4: and Cynthia. Kim Michelle walks in with the help of
Speaker 4: an attendee who works at the nel salon, and she
Speaker 4: starts to tell her exactly.
Speaker 5: What's going on. And on top of that, we get
Speaker 5: to see the ladies here for the first time. What
Speaker 5: really did happen?
Speaker 4: Oh, Jasmine here, Let's bring on Jasmine, Hi.
Speaker 3: Afterew Monday. Hey Claudia, hire Blue, nice to meet you.
Speaker 6: Welcome, Welcome, Oh, Carlos.
Speaker 2: Isn't a group situation with the ladies Charlie's angels?
Speaker 7: I love it?
Speaker 4: Good morning, Carlos, Good morning Angels. Yes, I am surrounded
Speaker 4: by beautiful women. It reminds me of my entire years
Speaker 4: in school. So, Jasmine, you came in at the right time.
Speaker 4: Because we're talking about the nelsonon scene. We're just getting
Speaker 4: started on the Real Housewives of Atlanta and how kay
Speaker 4: Michelle had the operation.
Speaker 5: She's on the men's she decided, look, I'm here to work. Okay.
Speaker 4: She got off the surgery table and got in on
Speaker 4: the chair to get her Petty and Manny. But before
Speaker 4: she could even enjoy that, she's telling the ladies about
Speaker 4: what happened. And then Porsche blurted out, oh, you got
Speaker 4: a miscarriage, and we see Kay Michelle in that moment
Speaker 4: laugh at office that no girl did it. But then
Speaker 4: in the confessional we learned that she's not too happy
Speaker 4: about what Porsche blurted out, and that carried the entire episode.
Speaker 4: I want to start with you, Claudia. Listen, people are divided.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, people are divided with Kim Michelle feels strongly
Speaker 4: and we'll get to the other scenes in a second,
Speaker 4: but in her confessionals, in this scene, she feels strongly
Speaker 4: about what Porsche blurted out, so much so she referred
Speaker 4: to her because I like to make sure I get
Speaker 4: you know, people's statements right, Cay Michelle says, I don't
Speaker 4: know if she is serious.
Speaker 5: Or dumb. Yeah, well, well, Audia your thoughts.
Speaker 6: She is dumb. She is dumb.
Speaker 2: You will never be able to convince me that you
Speaker 2: didn't know what the hell I was talking about when
Speaker 2: Porscha and if y'all caught this she and I was
Speaker 2: ready to say before I watched the whole episode, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe she wasn't trying to be shady when
Speaker 2: they met and they had they met up, right, But no,
Speaker 2: because Porsche caught herself and she says, the surgery you
Speaker 2: had for eight year, so she knew about this butt
Speaker 2: thing that ky Michelle was dealing with. They talked on
Speaker 2: the phone, and I don't give a god damn if
Speaker 2: I we both had miscarriagters. You never say nothing like
Speaker 2: that in front of a group and a public setting
Speaker 2: at a nail shop with cameraman, producers, and you're on
Speaker 2: a show that.
Speaker 6: Is not the place for it.
Speaker 2: You let Cay Michelle say if it was a miscarriage,
Speaker 2: Oh you get a miscarriage to say it's so insensitive
Speaker 2: like that. I feel like port would be playing in
Speaker 2: people's faces. She does, and I'm sure she'll go on
Speaker 2: some little stupid show and say that I need her
Speaker 2: for Cloud. Someone just told me that the comments I
Speaker 2: don't need you for Cloud, Porsche. I've not followed your
Speaker 2: page since you were on Dish Nation. Okay, so I
Speaker 2: don't need you for Cloud, but I can I'm not
Speaker 2: blinded by your acuteness. I can call it for what
Speaker 2: it is. It's never okay for you to be so
Speaker 2: casual about a miscarriage. And even if you thought that
Speaker 2: was it, you would maybe pulled to the side and be.
Speaker 6: Like, was that did you have a miscarriage?
Speaker 2: You don't say that in front of everybody because you
Speaker 2: just don't do that. That is a very sensitive thing
Speaker 2: to talk about. And I think she plays in her
Speaker 2: face and play stupid.
Speaker 6: But oh no, no, who me, No, I didn't mean
Speaker 6: that or.
Speaker 2: I've had them too. Do not believe that that port
Speaker 2: She's dumb. But she's also very conniving. She's also very
Speaker 2: me she knows what she's doing. She's a reality TV veteran,
Speaker 2: and people she does not get away.
Speaker 6: You do not get to pass that.
Speaker 2: You've been doing it for too many years and you
Speaker 2: know better. I think Porscha sees what we all see.
Speaker 2: All the attention that ky Michelle was gonna get. She's
Speaker 2: she's very much a very strong personality, and I think Porscha,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think that was some nice, nasty shit she did.
Speaker 2: Right then. I didn't think that was cool at all.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was cool at all. I don't
Speaker 2: care if you thought it was a mischaracter or not.
Speaker 2: You don't say that out loud in a nail salon,
Speaker 2: in a public place where the freaking nails text can
Speaker 2: hear you say that. No, no, You'll never be able
Speaker 2: to convince me otherwise. I'm sorry, and yes I'm biased,
Speaker 2: and I'm not apolsizing for it anymore.
Speaker 5: The fuck it, Jasmine Heiley Brown.
Speaker 8: I agree with Claudia's reasoning, right, Like, I the way
Speaker 8: Portia said her tone of voice was like a miscarriage,
Speaker 8: like she was joking. But I was like, that's actually
Speaker 8: not something you joke about, right, So like as someone
Speaker 8: who has like maybe a darker sense of humor, it's
Speaker 8: still not something you joke about, Like it's something so serious,
Speaker 8: like it should never be you should never be taken lightly. Right,
Speaker 8: And then she did say it in front of a
Speaker 8: bunch of people, and then she tried when they want
Speaker 8: to go meet up, She's like it was a safe space,
Speaker 8: not a safe space for Kaye. Michelle Show is just
Speaker 8: getting to know these ladies. So like, even if that
Speaker 8: was the case, you don't know if that's something that
Speaker 8: she was ready to share with everyone else. And so, Carlos,
Speaker 8: when you said, like people are divided, I'm very curious about,
Speaker 8: like what what the other side is saying, Like are
Speaker 8: they saying she didn't mean it maliciously or like.
Speaker 3: I might I'm on the other side, Okay, I would
Speaker 3: love to know.
Speaker 9: Oh, hey, blo, I think the debate isn't about what
Speaker 9: she said taky. I think anybody, even a Porsche fan
Speaker 9: with any sense, would agree it's tacky, right. I just
Speaker 9: disagree that it's malicious. I think there are two things
Speaker 9: that play here. Porsche is someone who we've seen since
Speaker 9: her very first season struggles with intimacy, emotional intimacy. Whenever
Speaker 9: things are serious, she either makes a joke or she
Speaker 9: has dark humor, or she's flippant, right with the Shemia thing.
Speaker 9: Whenever Shemya tries to have an emotionally intimate conversation with
Speaker 9: her about the friendship, you see how dismissive Porscha is. Oh,
Speaker 9: nothing's a big deal, nothing's a big deal. But then
Speaker 9: she talks crazy and the confessional Samiah walks on egg
Speaker 9: shells as if she knows that Porscha doesn't like to
Speaker 9: do things that are deep. So I think, on one hand,
Speaker 9: we have Porsche who things that are supposed to be
Speaker 9: seen as sacred. She's not the best at honoring those things,
Speaker 9: and she's entitled right now because she's the Gazelle Bryant
Speaker 9: of the franchise currently right I think the combination of
Speaker 9: her flippancy and her being entitled and feeling like she
Speaker 9: can do what she wants, and her sucking at emotional
Speaker 9: intimacy made her do something tacky and lazy. But I
Speaker 9: do not agree that it was directed at k Michelle.
Speaker 9: I think it was just her being misbehaved and having
Speaker 9: no manners, and kay Michelle just happened to be who
Speaker 9: was directed at.
Speaker 7: And I actually do believe.
Speaker 9: When she realized that her sloppiness had offended Ky Michelle.
Speaker 9: What I saw in that dinner was you could tell
Speaker 9: that the Porschia, who's usually defensive, was actually trying to
Speaker 9: have some emotional intelligence because she actually respects Cave Michelle.
Speaker 7: I saw somebody who's.
Speaker 9: Messy doing their best to be less messy with someone
Speaker 9: that they actually fuck with.
Speaker 6: And this is why I disagree. This is why I disagree. Okay, Blue,
Speaker 6: save me and you on the phone?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: We cool?
Speaker 2: We actually like each other, right, we rock with each other, right,
Speaker 2: And we've had conversations. And I've told you on the
Speaker 2: phone right about my surgery that has gone left. Right,
Speaker 2: We've had conversations about it. You've given me advice. I've
Speaker 2: had an issue with this implant. It's leaking, something's wrong,
Speaker 2: And I've told you I've been dealing with this for
Speaker 2: eight years and it's a thing. How are you now
Speaker 2: playing that dum where you just forgot all those conversations
Speaker 2: about this and you think it's a miscarriage. And if
Speaker 2: we're if we're cool enough for me to talk to
Speaker 2: you on the phone about this surgery, don't you think
Speaker 2: if I had a miscarriage, I probably would have said
Speaker 2: that on the phone to you then as well, Like
Speaker 2: I like, like, I don't know, I just felt like that.
Speaker 2: I don't even throw that out, Like, what are you doing?
Speaker 9: That's assuming a clarity and present tense personality that Porscha
Speaker 9: doesn't have. I have an assistant who I love. Right,
Speaker 9: she is a little bit Porscha like, So maybe this
Speaker 9: is why I see it differently. I could literally say
Speaker 9: to her, Hey, I'm gonna be on Carlson's show at
Speaker 9: four pm Pacific, do not comment four pm Pacific. She
Speaker 9: will still text me fifteen minutes in the show be like, oh,
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I know I heard, but I forgot right.
Speaker 9: Porsche is a very This is not me showing her bell.
Speaker 9: I think that in Ky Michelle's the Surgery, Bruce, respectfully,
Speaker 9: it's such an old story. I was watching the episode
Speaker 9: when I was doing my makeup today. My makeup artist
Speaker 9: said to me, she said, oh shit, she's still going
Speaker 9: through that.
Speaker 7: I thought that was over.
Speaker 9: Just because something is common knowledge doesn't mean it still
Speaker 9: feels current. And so what I'm saying is I believe
Speaker 9: Kamashell had a conversation with her. I just don't think
Speaker 9: that Porscha's always listening. I think Porscha is very self absorbed. Porsia,
Speaker 9: She's very self absorbed. We've seen episodes of people saying
Speaker 9: things to her, and the very next scene, who said
Speaker 9: that it's literally one of her memes. I think, literally,
Speaker 9: Porscha I don't want see her in Bell. She might
Speaker 9: be a little dumber than y'all giving her credit for.
Speaker 9: I think she was absent minded and messy and then
Speaker 9: tried to clean it up and now we all think
Speaker 9: she's a brilliant master bider. And respectfully, Porsche, it looks
Speaker 9: like I'm looking out for you. I just don't think
Speaker 9: you're briding have to pull this off.
Speaker 2: I'm that's even more reason for ky Michelle to have
Speaker 2: a red Why I go up Because if I sat there,
Speaker 2: heard the intimacy of the the seriousness of a medical
Speaker 2: thing I'm going through, and you didn't even listen to me.
Speaker 2: But then the scene you throw a miscarriage, I think
Speaker 2: that's a major red flag. And I do believe careless
Speaker 2: though I do believe that came to Shell feels similar
Speaker 2: to what I'm I'm looking at it because the way
Speaker 2: came Michelle faced, but she was like, wait what I
Speaker 2: told you? And Porsche did Actually she did even remember
Speaker 2: her telling her about her surgery, which I don't even
Speaker 2: know if that's.
Speaker 6: True or not, because Porsche is a liar.
Speaker 3: It was a bad joke. Pora made like she tried
Speaker 3: to make a joke.
Speaker 8: Yeah, she tried to make a bad joke and it
Speaker 8: just isn't something to joke about. And it turned came
Speaker 8: Michelle off rightfully, so turned off us as viewers, rightfully.
Speaker 3: So that's just nothing you joke about.
Speaker 8: But yeah, Porsia, you know we Porsia literally I sit
Speaker 8: home on the Traders because she just talks without like
Speaker 8: thinking a lot of times like yeah.
Speaker 4: So with that being said, because I do want to
Speaker 4: ask this, Okay, Jasmine, you just said Porscha got kicked
Speaker 4: off the Traders because she says things that she doesn't
Speaker 4: think about.
Speaker 5: Louis saying, I just think.
Speaker 4: She's aloof and she's she's she didn't mean any ill
Speaker 4: intention to it. Claudia, in the beginning, you did say, okay,
Speaker 4: I have I watched the full episode because I first
Speaker 4: I thought, okay, maybe not. So my question maybe she
Speaker 4: didn't mean any ill intent. So my question is and
Speaker 4: and and again I'm not a woman, so I don't
Speaker 4: I don't feel the need to insert my opinion on
Speaker 4: the sensitivity of you know what what what what women
Speaker 4: go through, the miscarriage and all of that. Obviously, I know,
Speaker 4: I know it's a horrible experience. I was just told
Speaker 4: the other day because I was, I was on a
Speaker 4: me and a friend, was out with two other friends
Speaker 4: and then you know me, I'm a talker double days.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 6: Carlos right now?
Speaker 5: He is in heat Jasmine? And then they were they
Speaker 5: were like, Carlos, you're so inappropriate.
Speaker 4: I'm what you're talking about because I asked questions but
Speaker 4: that but that that's my makeup.
Speaker 5: So my question is, on one hand, was.
Speaker 4: It a slip up or do you do y'all think
Speaker 4: there was malice behind it?
Speaker 5: Cause I think that. I think what's.
Speaker 4: Divided by the audience that I'm answering your question with
Speaker 4: the jasmine. They're divided because people are saying, Okay, was
Speaker 4: it a fucked up thing to say?
Speaker 5: I can give you that, But was it malice behind it?
Speaker 4: And that's the question I have to you three ladies,
Speaker 4: starting with you, Claudia.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't never know what's going on in
Speaker 2: her brain because I don't talk to her or something.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't. I don't know her like that anymore.
Speaker 2: So I guess we'll see how the season unfolds. If
Speaker 2: it was malice, like you know, if she changes it
Speaker 2: up and doesn't you But again, then we could be like,
Speaker 2: all right, are bad she will oh my bad.
Speaker 6: It wasn't malice.
Speaker 2: It was a true mispeak, because we can all misspeak, right,
Speaker 2: that is true. What made me change my mind was
Speaker 2: during the Confessionals when we find out that Porsche had
Speaker 2: been on the phone with Cay Michelle and ca Michelle
Speaker 2: and she even said, you've been dealing with about your
Speaker 2: butting that you've been dealing with four eight years.
Speaker 6: And she stopped herself.
Speaker 2: She didn't go back and watch, she stopped herself when
Speaker 2: she was saying this, So uh okay, you just have
Speaker 2: to be so dumb to think that that could be
Speaker 2: to just throw that out there. And maybe I am
Speaker 2: sensitive to this. It has nothing to do with an
Speaker 2: obsession or a thing with Porsche. It has to do
Speaker 2: with being a woman. In the topic of miscarriages, anyone
Speaker 2: that's ever had one, If anyone ever throws that out
Speaker 2: there before you're ready to put that out there, or
Speaker 2: to even say it in a joking way, abortion.
Speaker 6: Or even a miscarriage.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'll say a lot of things about people, but
Speaker 2: I'm not touching that like that is something that like
Speaker 2: it's very personal to the woman, and you don't put
Speaker 2: you don't get to say that in front of an
Speaker 2: misspeak or not. That is something you just gotta like
Speaker 2: and you deserve smoke if you do. What is wrong
Speaker 2: with holding someone accountable for saying that. Whether it was ignorance, misspeaking,
Speaker 2: or being oh malice, it's still bad, you guys, it's
Speaker 2: still bad and it's not hate. I would I would
Speaker 2: if anyone said that, I'd be like, yo, chill, just chill.
Speaker 2: I just think that's just so such a personal thing,
Speaker 2: and that's I don't know. It's one thing when you've
Speaker 2: been on the phone with me, I've been talking about
Speaker 2: what I'm going through. If I say, oh, I had
Speaker 2: surgery in my eye and then in front of everybody go,
Speaker 2: oh you your new titties are just got bitch?
Speaker 6: Were you not listening to all the conversations I had?
Speaker 2: That's what made it for me, like, wait, what Either
Speaker 2: you're a bad friend and you just never listen to
Speaker 2: me on the phone, or you threw my business out there,
Speaker 2: or I don't know, it's just there's no good solution
Speaker 2: to it. And I think all too often we blushed
Speaker 2: brush off as oh she's dumb, it's cute, she misspoked,
Speaker 2: Oh y'all being too hard. Listen, she's a veteran, she's
Speaker 2: a TV veteran at this point.
Speaker 5: So yeah, but I am.
Speaker 2: Glad that Cay Michelle seems that she's able to move
Speaker 2: on from it. That's more important than what I think
Speaker 2: about it, that they are able to move on. So
Speaker 2: she's probably like, all right, I hear you, but I'm
Speaker 2: gonna keep one eye on you if it happens again.
Speaker 2: But if it doesn't, then it's all good.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 8: And I think to Blue's point that she made earlier,
Speaker 8: the reason I don't think it's it was malicious or
Speaker 8: she had malicious intent because she did seem to like
Speaker 8: genuinely feel bad when they were doing their like one
Speaker 8: on one lunch. So when she said it, it landed horribly.
Speaker 8: And I didn't know at that point, like was she
Speaker 8: trying to be shady whatever, It's just a bad joke,
Speaker 8: move on. But when they were on that one on one,
Speaker 8: Porsche was not her usual, like Blue said, defensive self
Speaker 8: when came Michelle confronted her. And so that for me,
Speaker 8: that's the reason why I could probably say she made
Speaker 8: a bad joke, like it didn't land It was a
Speaker 8: really sensitive topic, but she probably did feel really bad
Speaker 8: about that. Porsia herself said she had experienced miscarriages, right,
Speaker 8: so like she knew that it was not something to
Speaker 8: joke about.
Speaker 3: So I do.
Speaker 8: I don't think she had malicious intents, but you know
Speaker 8: your intentions doesn't mean like that's the way that it's
Speaker 8: gonna land, right, So, like you might not have intended
Speaker 8: for it to be malicious, but the k Michelle received it,
Speaker 8: it probably felt like that for her. But yeah, I
Speaker 8: think I think Portia did a decent job at like
Speaker 8: attempting her her version of taking holding herself accountable and
Speaker 8: like taking accountability and willing being willing to move forward
Speaker 8: after being confronted for something that she did.
Speaker 9: Yeah, intention doesn't negate impact, but misspeaking of my intentions
Speaker 9: does cost further harm. So it does matter if you
Speaker 9: say I did something on purpose that I agree was
Speaker 9: fucked up, but I didn't do on purpose, because me
Speaker 9: fucking up is the mistake that I'm willing to take
Speaker 9: accountability for. You insisting I did it on purpose when
Speaker 9: I know I didn't is now attacking my character and
Speaker 9: creating a home problem. So it actually does make a
Speaker 9: difference when you misspeak on someone's intentions because.
Speaker 7: I was perfecttion. If ilso misspeak to Carlos.
Speaker 9: Right now and I was mortified, I would be sincerely sorry,
Speaker 9: but I would be deeply offended if he then tried
Speaker 9: to tell me I meant something I know I didn't mean,
Speaker 9: because now you're telling me something that is not your
Speaker 9: place to tell me, and you have to either believe
Speaker 9: me or not.
Speaker 7: But it is offensive to be.
Speaker 9: Sorry and then have your character attacked. So it does
Speaker 9: actually matter if she intended or not. And I'm going
Speaker 9: to say something that I'm always remiss to say on camera,
Speaker 9: and I was listening to Claudia talk and I was like, oh,
Speaker 9: I have to say it now, Porsia and I suspected
Speaker 9: this for a very long time. I am someone who
Speaker 9: got diagnosed as nor divergent at forty one. Porsia does
Speaker 9: a lot of things that are I don't agree with,
Speaker 9: that are conniving, but are there are these moments where
Speaker 9: she looks sincerely like, oh, I didn't read the room.
Speaker 9: That is an undiagnosed nor divergent person. There are people
Speaker 9: who for years superimposed intentions on me when I said
Speaker 9: tacky shit because I didn't read the room properly. And
Speaker 9: I've wondered for a very long time if she does
Speaker 9: have a glimmer of Nord divergence, because the confusion that
Speaker 9: she has when she's like, oh, that's not what I
Speaker 9: meant at all, My bad, and then she feels attacked.
Speaker 7: That's actually something that happens to a.
Speaker 9: Lot of undiagnosed nor divergent Black women, where we say
Speaker 9: something wrong, we feel bad. Everybody else is saying with
Speaker 9: Claudia is saying, well, it's obvious everybody would know better.
Speaker 9: Your brain sincerely doesn't know any better. And now you're
Speaker 9: feeling offended because you're feeling misunderstood because trying to tell
Speaker 9: you an intention that doesn't belong to you, even though
Speaker 9: you actually feel bad about your impact.
Speaker 7: And so I'm not gonna diagnose Porsche.
Speaker 9: I would just say, though, if anybody in her life
Speaker 9: ever had an opportunity for her to get tested this scene. Actually,
Speaker 9: the reason why I'm showing her grace is I've been
Speaker 9: the portion of this situation and you were all wrong.
Speaker 9: I've been the Porsche who has said something tacky because
Speaker 9: my brain didn't clock it and I know better, and
Speaker 9: my intrusive thoughts one and now I've said sorry, and
Speaker 9: I meant it, but everybody's adding thoughts about my character
Speaker 9: that's completely it false. So I think that's why I'm
Speaker 9: sensitive to it, because it can actually be a mistake.
Speaker 9: I've been the person where it was a mistake and
Speaker 9: everybody was convinced that I should have known better.
Speaker 4: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 4: Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 2: I would love to get that kind of grace.
Speaker 6: Always wish I knew that, felt like.
Speaker 5: I have gotten it.
Speaker 9: So so it's not a risk that you get, it's
Speaker 9: something that you feel like, Oh, I recognize this confusion.
Speaker 9: So I recognize something in her that I was like,
Speaker 9: there's actually a version of this where she did not
Speaker 9: mean it, even though she's meant others.
Speaker 7: And so she has an earth the grace to Claudius porn.
Speaker 7: She hasn't earthed the grace. Doesn't mean I can't see
Speaker 7: it being a possibility.
Speaker 4: And one thing I do want to get into next
Speaker 4: is this. So in the moment as we're watching the show,
Speaker 4: in the moment, cay Michelle does not say.
Speaker 5: Anything about it, She's she looks called off guard.
Speaker 4: She laughs at all, and we know there, we know
Speaker 4: there is such thing as a nervous laugh.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: What we then found out is once she left the
Speaker 4: Nel salon, she tweeted.
Speaker 5: Pretty much calling Porsche a bimbo.
Speaker 4: Right then she meets with Cynthia and Pinky and she
Speaker 4: calls Porsche a ding bat and it catches Cynthia off guard.
Speaker 4: As a journalist, Hey, for a show, I want to
Speaker 4: make sure I'm always accurate with the pros.
Speaker 5: She called Porsche a big ding bat.
Speaker 4: One thing I noticed was this, and I want us
Speaker 4: to talk about this because I don't think anyone else
Speaker 4: is doing it, which is why I love the show.
Speaker 4: Cynthia was there and when she when ky Michelle talked
Speaker 4: about what Portia did, Cynthia looked shocked, like wait what, Oh,
Speaker 4: I don't think she meant.
Speaker 5: To like that.
Speaker 4: But I think once you talk to her, you know
Speaker 4: she'll apologize.
Speaker 5: So my questions for the panel before we get to
Speaker 5: the other shade that was thrown.
Speaker 4: If Cynthia was actually in the room when this happened,
Speaker 4: and the person in the room, with Cynthia's own words,
Speaker 4: she didn't clock it either, so does it make the
Speaker 4: situation more nuanced because the person who said.
Speaker 5: It obviously then clock it because she said it.
Speaker 4: The person in the room didn't realize it was a
Speaker 4: big thing until ky Michelle said it.
Speaker 5: So do you think there's room for okay, Synth and
Speaker 5: the clock it. But even so, how how would someone know?
Speaker 5: Starting with you, jazz Net, I.
Speaker 8: Think that's a conversation we're having, right, Like, I think
Speaker 8: we all feel a little differently about that.
Speaker 3: Like Cynthia is she knows Porsche very well.
Speaker 8: I think Cynthia even said that in this scene, like
Speaker 8: I've been knowing these ladies for a long time, like
Speaker 8: essentially saying like Porsia may not have meant that, or
Speaker 8: I don't know if she said that in reference to
Speaker 8: that scene, but anyway, that's Cynthia. Okay, that's Cynthia's position
Speaker 8: with Porsche right their friends. She knows that Porscha probably
Speaker 8: didn't mean any harm. But I think that's what we're
Speaker 8: trying to unpack here, Like there's no way that Cynthia
Speaker 8: would would know for sure if there was mal intent
Speaker 8: behind what Porscha said. So I think Cynthia's kind of
Speaker 8: like some of the rest of us, like, oh I
Speaker 8: heard it, but like I just thought it was something
Speaker 8: that Porscha said, like you said blue like just a
Speaker 8: flippant another flippant comment from Porsche. I don't know what
Speaker 8: was behind it. That's what I took away from that
Speaker 8: scene at least, and it has.
Speaker 7: Been validated too. Let's be clear.
Speaker 9: Somebody can unintentionally say something harmful and if the impact
Speaker 9: it's hurtful. Nobody can say that what key Michelle is
Speaker 9: feeling is wrong. So like there's I mean, there's no
Speaker 9: argument that mich keb Michelle's feeling is wrong. We're more
Speaker 9: speculating on intention. I will say this, and this is
Speaker 9: the point of contention for me with the audience who
Speaker 9: was so aggrieved by this joke. I was the lone wolf,
Speaker 9: like five or so years.
Speaker 7: Ago, who hated, hated, hated the.
Speaker 9: Now infamous Real House was Atlanta scene at the reunion
Speaker 9: where Faedra made fun of Kenya Moore for doing vitro oh.
Speaker 6: I hated that. I thought that was thought that was funny.
Speaker 6: It was not funny.
Speaker 9: I thought it was so deeply offensive to see a
Speaker 9: woman trying to have a child and to mock her
Speaker 9: and say the Domino Pizza man is gonna just in
Speaker 9: the cup to give her a baby because she's too
Speaker 9: much of a loser to find a man to love her,
Speaker 9: and then you end up divorcing the loser that you
Speaker 9: were caping for when you said that to me. That
Speaker 9: was considered one of Faedra's top favorite scenes of all
Speaker 9: time on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, wherever you go, The Real
Speaker 9: House of Atlanta fans loved that scene because at.
Speaker 7: The time they loved Faedra.
Speaker 9: Now that we've seen Porsiche do things like to allegedly
Speaker 9: take a married Van and she's in and out of
Speaker 9: favor now, the flippant comment about the miscarriage is the
Speaker 9: worst thing ever.
Speaker 7: I just feel like this is another case of if it.
Speaker 9: Was somebody else, any points giving grace might be more received.
Speaker 9: But because of the complicated feelings that women in particular
Speaker 9: have around Porsche and not being a girl's girls, and
Speaker 9: she might say your husband and making jokes about Charles Oakley,
Speaker 9: I think that she might have made a callous but
Speaker 9: not malicious mistake that the audience, certain people in the
Speaker 9: audience just won't have the grace to give her. And
Speaker 9: it's okay because she's earned that ire right, she's earned
Speaker 9: the ire. It's the boy who cried with from my opinion,
Speaker 9: I think she's full of shit A lot of times,
Speaker 9: I one hundred percent do not believe she's full of
Speaker 9: shit this time because Cynthia then just say that she's
Speaker 9: my friend, I know her.
Speaker 7: She was saying, the energy didn't fill off. If you're
Speaker 7: in a room and your friend.
Speaker 9: Says something stupid and nobody says anything and it's a blip,
Speaker 9: you're not clocking it because it didn't create a moment shift. Well,
Speaker 9: ky Michelle internalized, I don't think is translated to anybody
Speaker 9: else in the room, but came Michelle, which is why
Speaker 9: they all seemed shocked, which she said she had born
Speaker 9: of consens.
Speaker 2: Also, I think a lot of the reason why no
Speaker 2: one else kind of felt a way about it, which
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter what everybody else felt. It matters what
Speaker 2: Kye Michelle felt like you said, it's because cam Michelle,
Speaker 2: I recognize that nervous laugh of like, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to make a big like I'm not making it bigger
Speaker 2: right now. And then sometimes you get misjudge or people
Speaker 2: will say, well, you wouldn't trip on the moment, so
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a big deal. So then
Speaker 2: you know, Simpy made her comment about water breaking and
Speaker 2: all that, and she probably really thought, and people think
Speaker 2: a lot of times with tough people that things don't
Speaker 2: bother you because you're a tough person in other situations.
Speaker 2: I don't care how tough you are, anyone who has
Speaker 2: had a miscarriage or has dealt with that, any kind
Speaker 2: of fertility issues, you are not like you can be
Speaker 2: the toughest person on earth.
Speaker 6: But that could be the thing that really hurts you.
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, maybe maybe there's a world where she wasn't
Speaker 2: being malicious. Maybe I'm just you know, I'm extra like
Speaker 2: I've had one before, so color me extra sensitive to
Speaker 2: people putting it on business. And I had someone put
Speaker 2: business like that out there in the public space and
Speaker 2: it was devastating.
Speaker 6: It was devastating.
Speaker 2: Actually, they made it seem like it was worth It
Speaker 2: wasn't a mischaracter like it was an abortion and it's
Speaker 2: really it's just evil, right, So I'm going about my
Speaker 2: life experience again. Hopefully it wasn't, because I do like
Speaker 2: the version of the show where these girls are having fun,
Speaker 2: and I do think there will be some TV goals
Speaker 2: with Porsche and camis show that could be really, really
Speaker 2: funny and get the show back to like the fun
Speaker 2: kind of you know, a way that it used to be,
Speaker 2: where the jat the fighting is more verbal than physical.
Speaker 6: I would like to see that.
Speaker 2: So it would be great to see in the big
Speaker 2: picture that it was a one moment thing and it
Speaker 2: moves on and it really wasn't that. I would like
Speaker 2: to be wrong about that, where they could go back
Speaker 2: to the phone, because I'm honestly sick of every single
Speaker 2: episode being on ten with fighting of reality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is why I really did enjoy this scene
Speaker 4: with Cynthia, Pinky and Cam Michelle because it was shady
Speaker 4: and it was funny and all these things.
Speaker 5: I want to get you all thoughts on this. Cam Michelle,
Speaker 5: who is this.
Speaker 4: Is her her first season on Atlanta Housewives, and she's like,
Speaker 4: and what's up with Phaedra? All she does is make
Speaker 4: faces I love them and giggle. You know a lot
Speaker 4: of people took that and again it was divided online.
Speaker 4: There are people who question why it's Phaedra on this
Speaker 4: show because you know, people went back and looked at
Speaker 4: the first episode her in the all cast sine at
Speaker 4: Porto's house and she didn't say anything. They saw the
Speaker 4: all Castine Episode two, Kelly's waffles and she didn't say anything,
Speaker 4: And when she was at thean Nel salon, she did
Speaker 4: not say anything. I want to start with you, Blue,
Speaker 4: the fact that there has been this sort of conversation
Speaker 4: about the relevancy.
Speaker 5: Of Phaedra on this show.
Speaker 4: Are people into just who she was back in the
Speaker 4: day based on who she is now? Kay Michelle, being
Speaker 4: new to this and understanding how Ensemble's shows work, I
Speaker 4: looked at and asked Kim Michelle's like, that's a good point,
Speaker 4: Like that, what is going on here?
Speaker 5: And I think that's why she did it? But Blue,
Speaker 5: what do you what are your thoughts on what Kiy
Speaker 5: Michelle said about Phaedra.
Speaker 4: All she does is get go and make faces. And
Speaker 4: do you think there is a conversation about whether or
Speaker 4: not Phaedra is a good match for this show anymore?
Speaker 9: I think it was probably the most brilliant thing she
Speaker 9: said the entire episode. I think she broke the fourth
Speaker 9: all and was honest about what a lot of us
Speaker 9: OG fans I honestly, here's the thing. Phaedra was a
Speaker 9: star of a moment and then she had the glamor
Speaker 9: and the intrigue around her departure from real hospital with
Speaker 9: Atlanta as kind of like a smoke screen. And when
Speaker 9: she went on Traders, she had these Zappi one liners,
Speaker 9: but it was always in a controlled environment and she
Speaker 9: had plenty of time to practice her lines, like is
Speaker 9: ray in the mirror right, But she wasn't actually that quick.
Speaker 9: If you watched that the season, she wasn't quick her feet.
Speaker 9: It was like she would study really hard and then
Speaker 9: come prepared for a test. But the pickiness that she had,
Speaker 9: you could tell that she will slow on the uptake.
Speaker 9: I honestly think Faedro needs to retire. I think that
Speaker 9: going on Traders should have been her swan song. She
Speaker 9: should have ended on a high note, returning to the
Speaker 9: scene in the crime is now showing how stale the
Speaker 9: milk is.
Speaker 7: Ja Parks needs to retire. That's my opinion.
Speaker 8: Hashtag Fedra Parks needs to retire. I agree with you
Speaker 8: one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 8: I was gonna bring up her Traders performance, like yo,
Speaker 8: the network is definitely capitalizing off of like how well
Speaker 8: she did on the Traders, and they use that. I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm sure the fandom was asking for it, but like
Speaker 8: they use that as a reason to usher her back
Speaker 8: onto the show.
Speaker 3: But she just doesn't fit anymore.
Speaker 8: Like I just I am never looking for her in
Speaker 8: the scene, Like I'm never caring about what she has
Speaker 8: to say. She hasn't said much, but like I've never
Speaker 8: once in these three episodes wondered like what is Porsia Portsia, Phedra,
Speaker 8: What is Faedro gonna say?
Speaker 3: What is Fader gonna do? I'm never looking for her, like.
Speaker 8: I'm looking at everybody actually except Pedra now and you Blue,
Speaker 8: you brought up her rehearsale from that reunion when she
Speaker 8: did that with Kenya, Like that's that's old, old, old Faedra,
Speaker 8: that's old Padri. Like I don't think we're ever getting
Speaker 8: that back. So now I don't have a whole lot
Speaker 8: to says. I agree with you, Pedra, Sayonara, sisterash to retire.
Speaker 2: It's a nostalgia, right, Like you know when your show,
Speaker 2: your favorite show, your favorite singer was at the height
Speaker 2: of their career and then you like you're like hanging
Speaker 2: on to the memories from like oh, the nineties or
Speaker 2: the two thousands or whatever, like when the group was
Speaker 2: great or the performance was great. It's like you have
Speaker 2: a favorite quarterback from you know, I don't know, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety three and putting them in the Super Bowl now
Speaker 2: was crazy.
Speaker 6: And that's what they did.
Speaker 2: They brought an old quarterback in from the nineties and
Speaker 2: gave her another shot. And sometimes it works when you
Speaker 2: bring someone back from the past, and sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 2: And they got to be honest about it. I think
Speaker 2: she didn't give on Mary for medicine, and she's not
Speaker 2: giving on this.
Speaker 6: And again, I do think you're right, Blue.
Speaker 2: They are capitalizing off the the rehearse reads that she
Speaker 2: did on Traders and thinking that that same magic was there,
Speaker 2: I think she may be able to be like good
Speaker 2: again if it was with the same past, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like it's like, maybe I'm not
Speaker 2: saying she's trash. I'm not saying she's stupid.
Speaker 5: She's not.
Speaker 6: And I gotta give her.
Speaker 2: One note that I really liked that blue dress and
Speaker 2: her confessional gorgeous, like one of the most beautiful dresses
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. But y'all will never give me credit
Speaker 2: for giving this girl credit. But anyways, so she looks
Speaker 2: great on that, but as far as what she's bringing,
Speaker 2: like your storyline can't be that you're a mom, because
Speaker 2: almost everybody on the show's a mom.
Speaker 6: And then what else, like you're not giving, you're you're
Speaker 6: not a.
Speaker 2: Force multiplier, like Carlos says, all you do is make
Speaker 2: these weird ass faces and you stick your tongue out.
Speaker 6: You've got these blonde lace fronts. I'm not feeling and like, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, like I think Patria is like though, when
Speaker 2: we talk about actresses that go on reality tving that
Speaker 2: two measured and they try to like edit themselves and
Speaker 2: she's not in the moment. She's just like kind of
Speaker 2: like I think she's in her head too much, like
Speaker 2: how this is going to play, and everything just seems
Speaker 2: rehearsed and not spontaneous. And that's what makes these reality
Speaker 2: sounds great, is it's spontaneity, and we don't have that.
Speaker 2: Anybody's gonna be rehearsed. I'd rather have someone that sloppy
Speaker 2: with it and maybe stuttered when they say something, but
Speaker 2: it's in a moment and it's real and it's from
Speaker 2: the heart, and were like we felt that. Then these
Speaker 2: stupid cornyass like jokes that you probably wrote it home
Speaker 2: and you were waiting, you had your little tip sheet. Oh,
Speaker 2: I can put this joke here when she says this
Speaker 2: that and it feels like that, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: not hate, it's just the fact. And there's already too
Speaker 2: many housewives on there, so she should have been in
Speaker 2: front of the show.
Speaker 6: Cynthia's given way more than Pedra.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 8: Actually, that's a great point. That is a really great point.
Speaker 8: And yeah, you know, Fedra is interesting to me. I
Speaker 8: lost exactly. I was about to say something and it
Speaker 8: was gonna be a good point, and it completely left
Speaker 8: my mind.
Speaker 4: No, I'll.
Speaker 5: I'll say this.
Speaker 4: The reason why I was clapping when Claudia said what's
Speaker 4: missing is a spontaneity is because the conversations that me
Speaker 4: and my friends are having in this business, all of
Speaker 4: us who produce reality television.
Speaker 5: The reason why I'm so thrilled that, you know.
Speaker 4: The the audience loves Bill Collector Birmingham, is because what
Speaker 4: is missing is spontaneity. What is missing is real life story.
Speaker 4: And I am so bothered by anybody on Twitter dot
Speaker 4: com or exor or social media who are who's even attempting.
Speaker 5: To drag Pinky Cole.
Speaker 4: You don't have to like her physically physical appearance cool.
Speaker 4: You don't have to like the way she talks, fine,
Speaker 4: But what bothers me is this woman is giving y'all
Speaker 4: reality of telling the world how she lost her company,
Speaker 4: how she was bankrupt, how she got bankrupt, because she
Speaker 4: signed on as a personal gammon tour and she's educating
Speaker 4: you guys on what that means when you have the
Speaker 4: ability to have a company that you're getting investors. If
Speaker 4: you sign on as a personal guaranteur, God forbids something
Speaker 4: has your company.
Speaker 5: You're on the hook. As an individual, you're on the hook.
Speaker 4: So you guys are even listening to what she's educating
Speaker 4: you guys on because y'all so focused on her look
Speaker 4: or whatever, and she's given y'all reality. What bothers me
Speaker 4: so much is you guys don't even like people who
Speaker 4: are real. Y'all love people who had a heyday. Y'all
Speaker 4: love people.
Speaker 5: Who look good in a moonood dress or who looks.
Speaker 4: Good in a body con dress, who has a great weed,
Speaker 4: and y'all don't love the person who is given y'all reality.
Speaker 5: Ky Michelle left the operating room and got her nails
Speaker 5: done afterwards.
Speaker 4: Yep, she was dedicated to making sure let me show
Speaker 4: y'all my reality.
Speaker 5: She didn't have to call the producers and say, my
Speaker 5: ass is leaking, come film it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Just this weekend, a wonderful person on Twitter, and I'm
Speaker 4: so sorry because I like to excite my sources. He
Speaker 4: posted the highest rated I mean, the top twenty highest
Speaker 4: rated shows on Bravo twenty out of millions.
Speaker 5: Nineteen out of twenty were Atlanta Housewives nineteen who and
Speaker 5: they were produced by me?
Speaker 7: The thank you okay, yeah, say the rest of the sentence, friend.
Speaker 5: Uhank you baby? And my thing is this.
Speaker 4: That's why I don't when y'all try to say, Carlos,
Speaker 4: shut up. You're just talking about girl. You're watching a
Speaker 4: show I helped build. You're watching a show that I'm iconic.
Speaker 4: You're watching twenty fucking episodes that I produced, including Jersey Housewives.
Speaker 5: No, I'm the motherfucker who knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: Which was the twentieth show on there? You said what
Speaker 3: the twentieth show?
Speaker 8: Nineteen out of twenty were Atlanta, the twentieth was Jersey.
Speaker 3: Your other was I blog? Also, who is the person who?
Speaker 9: Thank you?
Speaker 5: Thank you? And my point is saying all that what
Speaker 5: was so iconic about season six.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Lorraine Halteil, Lauren Brent, Luke Bianca, my
Speaker 4: whole day, Lizzie. Lizzie worked on that season two, Kamar,
Speaker 4: let's go on on, Okay, Luke, Okay, fine.
Speaker 5: Now my point is because there's no Iron Team.
Speaker 4: My point is y'all fell in love with those twenty
Speaker 4: episodes because they were real.
Speaker 5: You had Porsche going through a divorce. You have Porsche who.
Speaker 4: Moved in Nini's neighborhood and Ninnie said, well, damn bitch,
Speaker 4: I didn't know that you're a bad friend. You have
Speaker 4: Fador in Apollo dealing with rumors that Kenya allegedly tried
Speaker 4: to suck his d okay. You had Candy dealing with
Speaker 4: her mother not liking this man. She's engaged too, all right.
Speaker 4: You had moments of reality. And when y'all talk about
Speaker 4: a show being bad, blame y'all. Y'all give so much
Speaker 4: hype to some of these girls who don't do shit. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so when a show is bad, blame yourself. Because I
Speaker 4: can tell you what happens is the network executives they
Speaker 4: look on Twitter and say, well, who they talking about?
Speaker 4: Where they're talking about that person, and that person does nothing,
Speaker 4: does nothing, but y'all like the way she looks.
Speaker 5: Picky Cole is giving us real reality.
Speaker 4: Picky Coats educating black women on I'm giving y'all the
Speaker 4: rawness of what it is to be a business woman.
Speaker 4: Angela Oakley's telling y'all, I lost two million dollars because
Speaker 4: of bad investments. Y'all hate real reality stars, but what
Speaker 4: y'all do love? Y'all love a bad bitch. Y'all love
Speaker 4: somebody who looks good in a fashion noble outfit. But
Speaker 4: the woman who is trying to give y'all good television,
Speaker 4: y'all don't like her.
Speaker 5: And then y'all wonder why these shows suck. They suck
Speaker 5: because of you.
Speaker 2: I will co sign one thousand percent all it takes
Speaker 2: for someone to be best dressed or well dressed for
Speaker 2: people to like them on reality TV. And I saw
Speaker 2: that on several of the shows. You see it on
Speaker 2: Basketball Wives, you see it on Atlanta Housewives, you see
Speaker 2: it on a lot of the other shows.
Speaker 6: That's all it takes. And you saw. I noticed the
Speaker 6: difference with Kim k. They hated her when she was
Speaker 6: wearing those bandaged dresses. You changed her syl Up. I
Speaker 6: saw the fakest shit I ever seen in the business.
Speaker 2: I saw people who I knew a hating on her,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they loved her. It was because
Speaker 2: of the clothes. That is how simple minded some not
Speaker 2: all of the fans are. People will hate you because
Speaker 2: of how you dress or you're not coming with it.
Speaker 2: That's all it really takes. And that is a frustrating
Speaker 2: thing to watch because what you do is you made
Speaker 2: these people go go broke trying to satisfy y'all to
Speaker 2: be the most liked on the show, and go run
Speaker 2: their credit cards up and live outside their means to
Speaker 2: be like the most liked one with these clothes.
Speaker 6: These girls, I'm telling you not all.
Speaker 2: A lot of these Highlanta girls that we're talking about now,
Speaker 2: they are they actually been on there for a long time.
Speaker 6: They have bread.
Speaker 2: But like they will go, they will they will go broke,
Speaker 2: renting clothes so you can like them so they can
Speaker 2: get another season. And then you have a girl like
Speaker 2: Pinky Cole that you don't like because her hair is shorter,
Speaker 2: her clothes or her you don't like her body or whatever.
Speaker 2: She's a natural black woman and people giving her smoke.
Speaker 2: I actually am a huge fan of how vulnerable this
Speaker 2: woman is willing to be on this show at the
Speaker 2: detriment of probably her own marriage. She's telling us stuff
Speaker 2: before she's telling her husband, and I thought, I mean,
Speaker 2: that may not be good for him.
Speaker 6: But as far as the reality producer, that is gold
Speaker 6: right there. That is goal.
Speaker 2: She's given you one hundred percent and she's not even
Speaker 2: getting the big contract yet, and she's being a great
Speaker 2: reality star. And the fact that people are hating on
Speaker 2: her because of superficial things, that's crazy.
Speaker 6: I think she's dope.
Speaker 8: Keemachelle and Pinky coll were definitely gonna give us a
Speaker 8: lot more than the girls that we have seen already
Speaker 8: because they have something to prove. This is their first season,
Speaker 8: so I'm not shocked that they're giving us a lot.
Speaker 8: I do think with Carlos, you said, like people just
Speaker 8: love the girls who look good or whatever, and came
Speaker 8: a Pinky Coal Angela. They're giving us a real reality.
Speaker 8: I also think the fandom loves conflict, right, So when
Speaker 8: the girls are like reading each other or they're at
Speaker 8: each other's throats, like the high conflict, the heavy drama
Speaker 8: that's also something that the fandom wants.
Speaker 3: Or like they want to talk about.
Speaker 8: I think that's also like ruining the show a lot, right,
Speaker 8: because kay Michelle says something in the nel salon scene
Speaker 8: when they were all like asking her, she was okay,
Speaker 8: and she goes, how am I supposed.
Speaker 3: To fight with y'all? And y'all are being so nice
Speaker 3: to me?
Speaker 8: Right? So that colored my Like that colored the way
Speaker 8: I looked at her for the rest of the episode
Speaker 8: with this thing with Portia, because I had also seen
Speaker 8: people in the audience saying like she was like she
Speaker 8: was dragging it, like she was so offended by it,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, well, yeah, she is, like that's her
Speaker 8: first bone, right, she thinks that she needs to be
Speaker 8: in conflict with these people. This is her first like
Speaker 8: piece of conflict. So of course she's gonna hold on
Speaker 8: to this because that's like what she thinks the show
Speaker 8: is supposed to be. And so I think the conflict
Speaker 8: like you but wanting a lot of conflict and they
Speaker 8: haven't had a lot. I mean, it's been like light
Speaker 8: stuff so far. But I think that's also something that
Speaker 8: the audience is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the thing is this I'm like real conflict.
Speaker 4: That's why for me, it's one of those things where
Speaker 4: the heyday of these shows was when the girls really
Speaker 4: had conflict, Like Faja was really mad that she thought
Speaker 4: her husband was flirting with Kinga and vice versa, and.
Speaker 5: Every woman in the world watched that and said, I
Speaker 5: get it. I understand that, right.
Speaker 4: I can get that Candy dealing with her mother not
Speaker 4: liking her. Dude, women, I can hang on to that.
Speaker 5: I get it. So when the conflict arose because of
Speaker 5: those things, it made sense.
Speaker 4: And I think for me, you know, look, I want
Speaker 4: to get into the Shamia scene now too, because you know,
Speaker 4: Shamiah is somebody who is a gorgeous woman and she's
Speaker 4: in and she's a kept woman.
Speaker 5: You know, she she works because she wants to go
Speaker 5: out the house and and work.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, they're called passion projects.
Speaker 5: Yes, so this whole thing, but the rum you know, I.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this on the auto looking in and Shemiah,
Speaker 4: you can call me if I got this wrong. I
Speaker 4: looked at that scene and said, Shamia, I want you
Speaker 4: to have a business.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure this is the one and the reason
Speaker 5: why I'm saying I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: If this is the one is because I don't want
Speaker 4: Shmia to feel that she has to have something to
Speaker 4: promote because she's on the show.
Speaker 5: You know one thing that.
Speaker 4: I'm beginning the reality starts name, it'll come to me.
Speaker 4: I like it when a reality starts on the show
Speaker 4: and she's like, my man's rich. I'm on here because
Speaker 4: I like to have fun.
Speaker 5: And that's that.
Speaker 4: I saw some of what she was doing with Jerald.
Speaker 4: I thought, Gerald, I don't know if y'all call this.
Speaker 4: Jerald really does love his wife and he really is
Speaker 4: trying to help her, and it saddened me that Shamiah
Speaker 4: took that ad. Well, maybe he doesn't want them to
Speaker 4: have my own thing. No, he's looking out for you,
Speaker 4: and you came to that realization, unfortunately in the boardroom.
Speaker 4: And Shamiya, don't you ever pump your ass in a
Speaker 4: boardroom against this.
Speaker 5: Don't. I love you down and I'll see you at
Speaker 5: the Hawks gang. Don't don't. I don't care that whole rumbum, Shmia,
Speaker 5: don't get a baby.
Speaker 4: I think Jerald is an amazing husband and Shamia's story
Speaker 4: to me is so interesting, and again this is personal story.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of women can relate to Shamia
Speaker 4: being like, yes, I have all of this, but I
Speaker 4: want something of my own.
Speaker 5: And my hope is that this season we get to
Speaker 5: see her struggle with I just want something of my own.
Speaker 4: But that particular thing, I think, based on Gerald's intelligence,
Speaker 4: this one particular thing does not make sense.
Speaker 2: I think that's admirable that she wants, and I think
Speaker 2: that's a you know, I like women that want to
Speaker 2: have their own even if they don't have to. And
Speaker 2: also there's probably like the added pressure. Look, they're on
Speaker 2: a reality show. She doesn't want to be viewed as
Speaker 2: someone that's just home as a catwoman, because she has
Speaker 2: to go in a battle with these girls every day
Speaker 2: and hold their own And it's a lot easier when
Speaker 2: you have a successful business and you have something you
Speaker 2: can hang your own hat on, you know, And there
Speaker 2: is a pressure and I will even say this in
Speaker 2: Porsche's defense a little bit with the pressure of having
Speaker 2: to have a seen. So sometimes in Chemi show, sometimes
Speaker 2: you got to put a little tent on twenty for
Speaker 2: the show. So it's hard to know when we given
Speaker 2: commentary like I'm gonna go by, you know, just calling
Speaker 2: it at what it is.
Speaker 6: But I gotta keep.
Speaker 2: Reminding myself at the end of the day, they are
Speaker 2: on a reality show, and sometimes you may have to
Speaker 2: go a little hard or drag something a little bit
Speaker 2: more on point ten on twenty because there is a
Speaker 2: pressure of the show.
Speaker 6: Just like on the scene with Shamia and her Man.
Speaker 6: I mean, you still have that pressure of you all
Speaker 6: on a show.
Speaker 9: You know, you know, No, I'm concerned for Shamiah. She
Speaker 9: was my favorite last season, and I'm concerned for her
Speaker 9: because she started off with the trajectory of like a trace,
Speaker 9: not Tracy, a stacy, but now she's turning more into it.
Speaker 9: She by Charay Joggers early summer spring fall. I think
Speaker 9: that she was popular, but now the performative. Somebody posting
Speaker 9: I think that's the when we posted it and said,
Speaker 9: Shamiyah is funny, but she always goes a beat too long,
Speaker 9: Like the joke always lingers a couple of beats longer
Speaker 9: than it needs to, and it reads a little bit desperate.
Speaker 9: I think Shamiah really wants to be relevant for you
Speaker 9: to try to have a peach flavored rum and a
Speaker 9: place where peaches don't grow. And also I want to
Speaker 9: say about the pinky things my wife, I went on,
Speaker 9: when we're talking about Pinky, Pinky's greatest in this entire season,
Speaker 9: it's not having a lace friend. Anybody who's not in
Speaker 9: love with Pinky is someone who's a slave to optics.
Speaker 7: If Pinky with the same.
Speaker 9: Body, same everything, just had on our nine little favor
Speaker 9: special lace front and was dressed a certain way, I
Speaker 9: think the audience would realize how hard she's working. I
Speaker 9: think there's a laziness that happens even when you look
Speaker 9: at music. What do they say all you need is
Speaker 9: a clean white T shirt to launch a man, but
Speaker 9: for a woman, you have to get her injections in
Speaker 9: a lace front and contour and make sure that she's
Speaker 9: wearing a onesie and you know her boobs are propped up.
Speaker 9: I think there's a styling issue with the expectations of Atlanta,
Speaker 9: where there's a grace that I saw them give to
Speaker 9: Angela that they didn't give to Pinky, and honestly, the
Speaker 9: only difference was optics. And I think there's something problematic
Speaker 9: about it because how do we keep saying we want
Speaker 9: these shows to have realistic looking women, but y'all never
Speaker 9: cut them any slack.
Speaker 7: When we finally have them, so justice for Pinky.
Speaker 9: I think she's probably working for her check the hardest,
Speaker 9: even harder than k Michelle right now, though.
Speaker 7: Cay Michelle is clearly the star.
Speaker 9: And I really feel like Shmiah is going to get
Speaker 9: desperate and in the eyes of Chara, is going to
Speaker 9: probably become a bone collector. I don't know about the
Speaker 9: season so far, but she's acting like this rum company's
Speaker 9: not going to work out now, She's gonna make Stirring
Speaker 9: trouble her her entire storyline the rest of the season.
Speaker 7: I'm already getting that feeling.
Speaker 5: Jas said about Pinky.
Speaker 8: I disagree not to like bean soup you, but I
Speaker 8: in just the last Monday Night Live, I was like,
Speaker 8: I'm kind of lukewarm on Pinky right like, I'm still
Speaker 8: trying to figure out how I feel about her. It
Speaker 8: has nothing, it doesn't have anything to do with the
Speaker 8: way she looks. It's just I think it's the way
Speaker 8: that she comes across and we had this conversation. She
Speaker 8: feels almost too normal on the show, or at least
Speaker 8: last like the first episode or two, that was my takeaway,
Speaker 8: but this one, after this episode, I do, like I
Speaker 8: just said, I think she is because this is the
Speaker 8: episode where I thought that if she was gonna win
Speaker 8: you over without being optical, it would have been this one.
Speaker 7: So you still don't believe her after this one? I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm still I'm still not like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 8: I'm in love with her, but I am like, I'm
Speaker 8: very curious about, like what's going. I'm I'm curious about
Speaker 8: the relationship, Like how the hell did you go to
Speaker 8: a bankruptcy meeting without you got out of the bed
Speaker 8: with your man, went to a bankruptcy meeting and didn't
Speaker 8: tell him that's where you were going.
Speaker 3: I was in here like, oh, I wouldn't the producers.
Speaker 7: So the producers though.
Speaker 8: Told everybody else we're watching it. That's that was that
Speaker 8: was interesting to me. So yes, yeah, she is doing.
Speaker 4: This as a producer, and this is no shade. We
Speaker 4: love it when talent calls us before they partners, because.
Speaker 3: We're like, oh, Carlos, you're ruining relationships.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I don't care about their relationships.
Speaker 7: It's good.
Speaker 4: When Anthony Frankel Water broke, she called her producer first,
Speaker 4: and then called her doctor.
Speaker 3: Second, mess and then her husband third.
Speaker 6: I do think that that would be an issue down.
Speaker 2: Because because hers gonna see I mean that of course
Speaker 2: that's gonna be such an issue, and she's not the
Speaker 2: only one of the shows telling us stuff before the husband.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the biggest thing for me this episode.
Speaker 8: I was like, that's that signaled to me so loudly,
Speaker 8: like Pinky does not trust her husband's judgment or his
Speaker 8: counsel like I could. I would never go to it
Speaker 8: into a meeting like that and not tell ray like
Speaker 8: I won't even I won't even have scheduled the meeting
Speaker 8: without like talking to him first. It's like not to
Speaker 8: get permission, but like, this is a huge thing. You're
Speaker 8: finding bankruptcy.
Speaker 6: And you got.
Speaker 7: Just be honest.
Speaker 3: Beta.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think in the presence of her, because she's
Speaker 8: very dominant when she's she said these were her words,
Speaker 8: not mine. She said, she's a very dominant woman. I
Speaker 8: don't think he's Beta though. I think it's just really
Speaker 8: hard to be super awful with an altful woman like that,
Speaker 8: Like I might think.
Speaker 4: To your point this though, to your point, we're gonna
Speaker 4: have a real conversation right in advance, because lord knows,
Speaker 4: y'all more offended by what we say than way.
Speaker 6: Do we still have to apologize because like, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 8: I'm not.
Speaker 7: Carlos. The comment on the screen is is why I
Speaker 7: was asking guys that question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I was gonna say Okay, so I was
Speaker 5: gonna say this. I never met Derek, right. I do
Speaker 5: think Derek is beta.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: Oprah is with Stedman and and Oprah is a force,
Speaker 4: and she's all these things, and you ever met stead
Speaker 4: Stem is a very masculine, attractive, smart, intelligent man who
Speaker 4: loves his own white and doesn't need to borrow oprahs
Speaker 4: to be that. I think Derek is that. But but
Speaker 4: I definitely think when a woman is alpha, she does
Speaker 4: attract beta man. And let's be real, beta man does exist.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make you less masculine. It just means you
Speaker 4: you're more You're more calm, you know. I think listen,
Speaker 4: my advice to Pinky would be this, and my advice
Speaker 4: to Pinky is the same.
Speaker 5: I wouldive Shmia, you both are married to very smart men.
Speaker 5: Why the fuck aren't you guys taking advantage of that?
Speaker 5: That's weird to me.
Speaker 4: I would love to pill a talk I do anyway, Hey, Claudia,
Speaker 4: I would love It's like Joe, I would love to
Speaker 4: talk to my man about my business, like this is
Speaker 4: your partner.
Speaker 5: So the fact that you're going.
Speaker 4: To remove his Pinky's man, if y'all know anything about Derek,
Speaker 4: Derek is a major deal in Atlanta. He owns a
Speaker 4: lot of Philly cheese Steak Derek. Derek has a shitload,
Speaker 4: and Gerald, as we know, the age back, has a shitload.
Speaker 4: I'm sad that Smia and Pinky don't take advantage of
Speaker 4: the man.
Speaker 5: You're more comfortable laying with him, having his kids, but
Speaker 5: you're not comfortable bending his ear for advice.
Speaker 9: Hyper independence is a trauma response. That's that's why I
Speaker 9: was saying there, whenever you see an alpha woman who
Speaker 9: was ready to receive love, what do we all say?
Speaker 9: I'm sure Jazz you said it, Claudia. I know you
Speaker 9: and I have said this before to each other. I
Speaker 9: would love to be around a man who I can
Speaker 9: let my guard down and not have to be the
Speaker 9: one in charge all the time. I just need a
Speaker 9: man that I could trust enough to do it. So
Speaker 9: half the time, when you see a woman like thinky
Speaker 9: not Aquiesce's what Jazz is saying is, Hey, maybe I
Speaker 9: don't believe in your leadership.
Speaker 7: The other half, though, you have hyper independence.
Speaker 9: As a trauma response, and you don't know how to
Speaker 9: receive the thing you've been asking for. And what I
Speaker 9: saw was I kept on thinking does he not know
Speaker 9: how to be a thought partner?
Speaker 7: Or does she suck at asking for help?
Speaker 9: And I'm really asking for help, asking for help more
Speaker 9: than it being a reflection of him. And so I
Speaker 9: was like, Ooh, I'm watching him for those things that
Speaker 9: would make me feel like she has a reason.
Speaker 7: I think this is her.
Speaker 9: I think she's that fifty percent of the ALCA woman
Speaker 9: who claim they want a man who can be a
Speaker 9: thought partner, but who does not know how to acquiesk
Speaker 9: and relinquish control enough to actually let thought partnership happen.
Speaker 2: I felt that watching them that I don't think he's beta.
Speaker 2: I think he's a very big deal in Atlanta, like
Speaker 2: Carlo said said, they are more. I think there is
Speaker 2: a competition between them. I think they're in a competition.
Speaker 2: That's what I think. And if you're in competition with
Speaker 2: your mate, whether he's with her or she's with him,
Speaker 2: you do not want to admit to your competition that
Speaker 2: you have failed. You do not want to tell them
Speaker 2: that I did not I messed up with the money.
Speaker 2: You want to go handle it so you can jump
Speaker 2: back in the game, like, no, we good, you made
Speaker 2: drum million this week I made my million. They try
Speaker 2: to match each other with success.
Speaker 6: That's my opinion.
Speaker 2: I've been with beta men and I actually don't I
Speaker 2: don't dislike beta men. I think it is difficult to
Speaker 2: two alphas to be together. It's damn man possible. Everyone
Speaker 2: says they want to power a couple until they get
Speaker 2: in one, and the reality of it, it is too hard.
Speaker 2: And beta men usually are very very very very good
Speaker 2: for alpha women because it works.
Speaker 6: It works, you know, as long as.
Speaker 2: You not disrespect him. I think they're in competition for
Speaker 2: a few reasons. Hey, him saying he had a humble
Speaker 2: hert and she's like, oh, she clocked it, like we
Speaker 2: clocked it.
Speaker 6: Okay, she's not dumb. She heard that.
Speaker 2: So it's another reason when she's not gonna want to
Speaker 2: run to him and feel safe to tell him that
Speaker 2: I mess up with my business. Hell no, when you're
Speaker 2: in competition with your mate, you are not telling them
Speaker 2: you're el's. You're telling your producers, you're l before you're
Speaker 2: telling your man because you want to still be a
Speaker 2: winner in his eyes, which sucks.
Speaker 6: That's not safe.
Speaker 8: No, that's my opinion. That's crazy, though, I would hate.
Speaker 8: That's so crazy. That's crazy to be married to someone
Speaker 8: and not feel safe enough. You've had how many children
Speaker 8: with this man? You got to hear everything else three
Speaker 8: back to that, and you don't feel safe telling him.
Speaker 6: They have business. They jumped in because listen and the.
Speaker 2: Beginning to which people to popping people you get together,
Speaker 2: it's brand news.
Speaker 6: They got married. Yes, they got married before they really
Speaker 6: knew each other.
Speaker 2: They back to back to back kids, and then when
Speaker 2: the dust settles, then they probably talked real business.
Speaker 6: I bet you there was no business talking in the beginning.
Speaker 6: She knew he was popping, and he knew she was popping.
Speaker 6: She knew he was pop. Invice was a good luck.
Speaker 2: Probably Look wait, but they probably were so busy having
Speaker 2: a good brand new sex, first gut together and when
Speaker 2: the dust settles, look at she's crying a lot.
Speaker 6: She does not feel she's sad. She's depressed. Yeah, in
Speaker 6: my opinion, let me just say that I'm.
Speaker 4: Not And my advice to the ladies, Hey ladies, because
Speaker 4: Claudia says, no straight man watch this.
Speaker 5: So hey lady, Yeah, guys that I'm dating a break
Speaker 5: it in our straight.
Speaker 6: Demographic. Hey wooz, I'll call you later, Lady.
Speaker 5: Thank you for your service.
Speaker 4: I will say this, you're at a disadvantaged ladies. Ladies,
Speaker 4: this is coming from y'all, your big gay brother. I
Speaker 4: implore all of you all to be successful and the
Speaker 4: best and to make your own mind.
Speaker 5: I want all those things for you.
Speaker 4: If you happen to be with the man that is successful,
Speaker 4: you're doing yourself with disservice by not bouncing ideas off
Speaker 4: of him, being in competition with him, or trying to
Speaker 4: impress him that you can do this without him, You're
Speaker 4: going to lose. And it's not a maybe, it's you
Speaker 4: are going to lose. My last example will be, Hey, Oprah.
Speaker 4: The reason why we have the Oprah Winfrey Network is
Speaker 4: because Oprah was at a hotel with Stepman. She was
Speaker 4: complaining about what she saw on the TV. Stepman said, well,
Speaker 4: start your own network then, and she said, what do
Speaker 4: you mean. He said, you can't just complain about what
Speaker 4: you're seeing on television, your Oprah, So start your own network,
Speaker 4: and she did it.
Speaker 5: So take advantage of being with a man who you
Speaker 5: love and bouncing things off of him.
Speaker 4: You're doing your sub with disservice because you're gonna end
Speaker 4: up dating babe.
Speaker 5: I say that as a transition to Black Andrew because.
Speaker 6: Kindness add one thing about Pinking. I dis agreed. I
Speaker 6: saw a comment in the chat.
Speaker 2: I also think that there's a lot of pressure on Pinky,
Speaker 2: like because of like how people are viewing her aesthetically,
Speaker 2: which I think is bullshit.
Speaker 6: I think she's dope. I like her.
Speaker 2: She has that added pressure of being super successful, right
Speaker 2: because she knows, like that's what like, that's like her thing.
Speaker 2: Like some people just get by on being like with
Speaker 2: the bbls and the weaves and the lashes and all that.
Speaker 2: Pinky is her I think the most attractive thing about her.
Speaker 2: That's like her stand out thing. We all have our
Speaker 2: standout thing, personality, body, whatever, she's She's supposed to be
Speaker 2: the very successful, wealthy person. So when that falls by
Speaker 2: the wayside, that puts a lot of pressure on you,
Speaker 2: Like I got to keep it up because like that
Speaker 2: was the thing. Maybe that was part of the reason
Speaker 2: why her man was so was attracted her because of
Speaker 2: her business acumen. So when that's nots falling apart, do
Speaker 2: you want to really tell the person that fell in.
Speaker 6: Love with you for that?
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm assuming I'm making a lot of assumptions tonight,
Speaker 2: but she's she's she doesn't stop opening up to her husband.
Speaker 2: She's going to crack. She's kind of cracking, you know,
Speaker 2: and I feel bad for her.
Speaker 5: Thank you to the one straight guy that was.
Speaker 3: In the comments, the third straight guy because booze.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 4: I want to read it because I want to that
Speaker 4: we do have straight men who go on this podcast.
Speaker 5: I mean who listens?
Speaker 7: So who?
Speaker 4: The producer three six five says, nah, my wife and
Speaker 4: I have been in business together since two thousand and
Speaker 4: nine and discuss everything, and she's a cancer survivor.
Speaker 5: So yes, till death. It was part. I love that.
Speaker 5: I love that, that love that.
Speaker 4: What I don't love is when you're on a day
Speaker 4: with the man and he walks in with his shirt open. Drew, Drew,
Speaker 4: y'all know, I love and there's not one person in
Speaker 4: this world who can make me hate her. Right, I
Speaker 4: love Drew, But I will say, is this I don't
Speaker 4: know Black, so this is not this to black?
Speaker 5: If it really is it. I don't know him.
Speaker 4: I think it's highly inappropriate to go on a date
Speaker 4: inside of a restaurant and you're shirt is all the
Speaker 4: way open and drew.
Speaker 5: In the words of Stacy Rash.
Speaker 7: Carl, your shirt is open and you begged for Kouchi
Speaker 7: for seven minutes straight.
Speaker 9: I've never seen that much Couchi begging off of an
Speaker 9: R and B video in my entire freaking life. He said,
Speaker 9: friends with benefits? Yes, yes, we're friends with the benefits.
Speaker 9: Does this job come with benefits? I would like to benefit. Oh,
Speaker 9: but what if we're just friends. No, I'm not here
Speaker 9: for your personality. Ho when do I get my benefits?
Speaker 7: At certain point, I said, oh my god, just give
Speaker 7: him some. In the bathroom, girl, y'all cut. Somebody helped.
Speaker 9: This man was begging for vagina the entire scene, and
Speaker 9: I was dying on the inside, Like, girl, you could
Speaker 9: just stay with Ralph.
Speaker 5: For all this.
Speaker 7: I don't know that was facetious at the end.
Speaker 5: But no.
Speaker 9: Black spent the first episode on the phone not taking
Speaker 9: any pe breaks, and the third episode with his titties
Speaker 9: out begging for Puss.
Speaker 7: I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan.
Speaker 3: I want to go, I don't have anything to you know,
Speaker 3: for me, sweetie.
Speaker 8: You know, Carlos, you know, I've historically been very hard
Speaker 8: on Drew, very hard on Drew. Even I was like,
Speaker 8: Drew can do better. I thought, even Drew can do
Speaker 8: better than this. It's a running joke.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 3: I think Drew is a beautiful, beautiful woman, but she's
Speaker 3: just anyway. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 6: I like black in real life too, Like he's cool.
Speaker 2: He has that hookah company, which I smoke those black
Speaker 2: smoke hookas I've had.
Speaker 6: I love them. They're really good.
Speaker 2: He's a good he's a great businessman. He's rich, he
Speaker 2: has a he's got a life together. But honestly, and
Speaker 2: you know, I like Drew and I will definitely I
Speaker 2: will listen. I'll try to make an excuse my girl.
Speaker 2: But I felt like he came into the scene acting
Speaker 2: For the first forty seventy five percent of it, it
Speaker 2: felt fake. It felt like a script was being followed,
Speaker 2: like he or he was like putting on for the cameras.
Speaker 2: And I did feel towards the end of the conversation
Speaker 2: he got like was normal, right like it got But
Speaker 2: the beginning the first thirty half of it was cringe
Speaker 2: and I felt bad, and I felt like even Drew
Speaker 2: recognized it.
Speaker 6: She was trying her best to play it off like Okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: you want to.
Speaker 8: Pay that part.
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
Speaker 5: So he didn't want Claudia, he didn't want.
Speaker 7: No, I think he wants.
Speaker 6: I do think he's one of the four straight men
Speaker 6: left in Atlanta. I do think that. But I do
Speaker 6: think that.
Speaker 2: It just I think he came in there with it,
Speaker 2: like he wanted to show like she's desired, she's wanted.
Speaker 2: I want you.
Speaker 6: You're sexy, so let me do that.
Speaker 2: But I think he kind of said things he wasn't
Speaker 2: supposed to, Like I don't know if she wanted him
Speaker 2: to say the friends with benefits saying or gifts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I would give him the gifts.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a I thought that was a
Speaker 3: sweet gesture.
Speaker 8: Yeah, when I say why she could do better, I know,
Speaker 8: you know, just because he's not like the type of
Speaker 8: that I'm attracted too. I can recognize that she might
Speaker 8: find him attractive, like people find him attractive. So I'm
Speaker 8: not saying it like that. He just seems like a
Speaker 8: player to me, like somebody who just thinks like everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So that's why I was like, I feel like you
Speaker 8: could do better than this guy. Like he wasn't even talking,
Speaker 8: like let's move into the direction of like being in
Speaker 8: a relationship. Like I mean, he did try to say
Speaker 8: like you don't give girlfriend, you give wife, whatever that
Speaker 8: means in the words, why did.
Speaker 2: It make sense for him and hitting with the friends
Speaker 2: of benefits? I'm like, black, do you kind of hurt
Speaker 2: your girl by doing that? Like if he was coming
Speaker 2: here to give her a solid like you know, you
Speaker 2: gotta bring a love and song. We get it, but
Speaker 2: don't come on here and ask me to be friends
Speaker 2: with benefits. Come on in and say, let's take it slow,
Speaker 2: let's see where this goes. I would be mad if
Speaker 2: I won hit me with the friends of benefits saying
Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of giving me, like it's
Speaker 2: helping with.
Speaker 6: The whole you don't know it's given, Like I don't
Speaker 6: take you seriously.
Speaker 9: Come on, Remember Mia had that man who was still
Speaker 9: with her when she was married. Maybe he saw Mia
Speaker 9: and her side piece and wanted to be clear, you're
Speaker 9: still married, and if I see you as a wife,
Speaker 9: I can't be a husband until your first husbands out
Speaker 9: the way he did say that it felt more like
Speaker 9: he did not want to be seen like MIA's sideboy
Speaker 9: and wanted to be like, hey, just to be clear,
Speaker 9: why you're still married, we can't be anything. I can't
Speaker 9: see I see you as a wife, but I can't
Speaker 9: be a husband while you currently have a husband.
Speaker 7: Take care of that. But until then, can I give
Speaker 7: you some benefits I would like to.
Speaker 8: I don't want to be but I still want to
Speaker 8: have sex with you even if you're still married.
Speaker 7: Like please, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Drew, we want you to go on another
Speaker 4: day and listen. Like Claudia said, Black is successful, it's
Speaker 4: not about Black. It's more about he gives play a
Speaker 4: vibes the open shirt.
Speaker 5: It was giving music video. It wasn't giving a real scene.
Speaker 5: It was giving I'm on the land of housewives and
Speaker 5: I'm about to show off. That's that's what I got
Speaker 5: from it. All good. Last of the night is Keim,
Speaker 5: Michelle and Porsche did meet up. I know we ran
Speaker 5: through this.
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you, ladies, what did y'all
Speaker 4: think about the apology Porsche gave only for Cay Michelle
Speaker 4: to say and her confessional that.
Speaker 5: She still doesn't buy it.
Speaker 6: I'll take it.
Speaker 5: I what that means.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever, whatever that means.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like I said, I feel like Kay is gonna
Speaker 8: kind of drag this out. Kay Michelle might drag this
Speaker 8: out until she gets into another conflict that she can
Speaker 8: then like jump into, because I think in her mind,
Speaker 8: she thinks that's the role that she's on this show
Speaker 8: to play. So I don't think this is the last
Speaker 8: that we've heard of with this issue from Kate Michelle specifically,
Speaker 8: But it didn't seem like they've made up at the
Speaker 8: at the lunch that they had, which I thought was
Speaker 8: a really cute scene at the end. But yeah, I
Speaker 8: think Michell is gonna kind of hang on to this
Speaker 8: and be offended by it until she has something else
Speaker 8: to be offended by, and then she'll she'll go and
Speaker 8: do that.
Speaker 9: Then I hope something else happens in the next episode
Speaker 9: because I can't do another episode of this. I pray
Speaker 9: to God that Drew drops a drink or whatever the
Speaker 9: hell's supposed to happen, because I can't do another scene
Speaker 9: of y'all making me defend Portie no offense boorship, but
Speaker 9: come on, this is exhausting and I will say this.
Speaker 9: Ky Michelle made that comment about y'all so nice in
Speaker 9: the premiere as well. This is actually the second time
Speaker 9: she's made a quip on like subconsciously about how am
Speaker 9: I supposed to fight y'allf y'all being so nice? It's
Speaker 9: now come up twice in three episodes. I ky Michelle
Speaker 9: is a star on a bad day. Ky Michelle is
Speaker 9: better than most, so I'm not worried about her performance
Speaker 9: this season. I just hope we see her pull a
Speaker 9: pinky and just give it to us without all the thinking.
Speaker 9: I want to see her a little bit more uninhibited,
Speaker 9: and also too because ky Michelle and Porsche are having
Speaker 9: this weird moment and Porsche was supposed to be her nice,
Speaker 9: nasty friend from the premiere. I'm just wondering, is Cynthia
Speaker 9: and k Michelle and Pinky gonna be a trio? Like
Speaker 9: I'm curious who her girl squad is because she has
Speaker 9: such pain around female friendships. I don't want to see
Speaker 9: ky Michelle feel like it's the world against her the
Speaker 9: entire season.
Speaker 7: That would actually break my heart and be a waste.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it won't be, because honestly, I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of the niceness the girls are showing
Speaker 2: the ca Michelle's because they're all they're afraid of her,
Speaker 2: including Porsche. I do think they're afraid of I think
Speaker 2: you're right now. I think you're really afraid of her
Speaker 2: and so. And I also think ky Michelle is saying, wow,
Speaker 2: they were really nice, because she's coming from how hard
Speaker 2: it was on Love and Hip Hop. One of the
Speaker 2: things I talked about. I think you coming from that,
Speaker 2: like you're on ten, You're coming to like a seven.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, oh wow, we actually have
Speaker 2: a scene. We can actually hug it out. But I
Speaker 2: do think that was good for them that, Like you know,
Speaker 2: I do like that Porsha did apologize her and that
Speaker 2: did feel sincere what she did at that moment. I
Speaker 2: did like that because I do don't want don't want
Speaker 2: this to be dragged out. Unless we see more evidence
Speaker 2: that it was on some mean girls ship, then that's
Speaker 2: one thing. But if it really wasn't, then y'all are
Speaker 2: right it was just like some no divergent shit, then fine,
Speaker 2: I'll go with that, okay. And I want them because
Speaker 2: I do enjoy the scenes when they are key king
Speaker 2: and having fun. I think it's cute, and I think
Speaker 2: it's needed after all the years of all after the
Speaker 2: brit eaty of it all, and how contentious things were
Speaker 2: getting last season. Like I want to see the girl's
Speaker 2: key king having fun and making jokes.
Speaker 6: I think we the world needs more of that in
Speaker 6: these shows.
Speaker 2: So if she's Kis and it's real, I want that
Speaker 2: to be the case because those two together could be funny,
Speaker 2: because we're gonna need more than Porscha, than.
Speaker 6: Just dating different people every season.
Speaker 2: It needs to be like and Porscha has the personality
Speaker 2: to bring a lot of funny to the show. She
Speaker 2: has That's what made it so and Darian and I
Speaker 2: want to get back to that, not just like, you know,
Speaker 2: just denying shit.
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