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Rain Drops, Claudia Blue and I and 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.920 Jasmine Helly Bram will be joining us in a bit. 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:59.120 We are here to talk about the latest episode of 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:04.680 The Real Housewive of Atlanta. This episode had a lot 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.560 of moments as I was watching it where I could 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.320 not wait to talk to you ladies about this. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.760 So let's get right into it. The episode. Are you 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.880 freshening up your gloss? Blue? 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.560 Because there's a whole bunch of shit talking that I 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:22.560 doesn't about to happen. 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.480 So the episode opens up where we learned. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:30.200 You know, Kim Michelle had her operation, she had glam beer. 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:35.680 Her husband's there and she is happy that, you know, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.160 everything is looking better for her. 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.120 She still has a lot of ways to. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:45.600 Go due to the leakage of her button plants that 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.840 she has been extremely open about that occurred. And then 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.200 we see in the next scene that the ladies are 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:59.400 at a nail salon. Okay, so this nail salon included Porsche, Phaedra, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.200 and Cynthia. Kim Michelle walks in with the help of 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.000 an attendee who works at the nel salon, and she 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.359 starts to tell her exactly. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:14.400 What's going on. And on top of that, we get 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.440 to see the ladies here for the first time. What 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.280 really did happen? 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:25.160 Oh, Jasmine here, Let's bring on Jasmine, Hi. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.280 Afterew Monday. Hey Claudia, hire Blue, nice to meet you. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.200 Welcome, Welcome, Oh, Carlos. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:39.720 Isn't a group situation with the ladies Charlie's angels? 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:40.360 I love it? 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:48.880 Good morning, Carlos, Good morning Angels. Yes, I am surrounded 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.520 by beautiful women. It reminds me of my entire years 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.520 in school. So, Jasmine, you came in at the right time. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.080 Because we're talking about the nelsonon scene. We're just getting 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.640 started on the Real Housewives of Atlanta and how kay 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.320 Michelle had the operation. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:09.040 She's on the men's she decided, look, I'm here to work. Okay. 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.640 She got off the surgery table and got in on 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.240 the chair to get her Petty and Manny. But before 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.520 she could even enjoy that, she's telling the ladies about 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.960 what happened. And then Porsche blurted out, oh, you got 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:28.120 a miscarriage, and we see Kay Michelle in that moment 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.039 laugh at office that no girl did it. But then 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:35.960 in the confessional we learned that she's not too happy 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:42.560 about what Porsche blurted out, and that carried the entire episode. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:48.159 I want to start with you, Claudia. Listen, people are divided. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.880 Uh huh, people are divided with Kim Michelle feels strongly 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:54.720 and we'll get to the other scenes in a second, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.800 but in her confessionals, in this scene, she feels strongly 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:06.640 about what Porsche blurted out, so much so she referred 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.000 to her because I like to make sure I get 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:16.000 you know, people's statements right, Cay Michelle says, I don't 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.839 know if she is serious. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:24.320 Or dumb. Yeah, well, well, Audia your thoughts. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.200 She is dumb. She is dumb. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.240 You will never be able to convince me that you 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.920 didn't know what the hell I was talking about when 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.120 Porscha and if y'all caught this she and I was 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.080 ready to say before I watched the whole episode, Okay, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:41.920 you know, maybe she wasn't trying to be shady when 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.680 they met and they had they met up, right, But no, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.839 because Porsche caught herself and she says, the surgery you 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.640 had for eight year, so she knew about this butt 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.800 thing that ky Michelle was dealing with. They talked on 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.400 the phone, and I don't give a god damn if 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.400 I we both had miscarriagters. You never say nothing like 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.719 that in front of a group and a public setting 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.880 at a nail shop with cameraman, producers, and you're on 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.360 a show that. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:06.560 Is not the place for it. 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.400 You let Cay Michelle say if it was a miscarriage, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.440 Oh you get a miscarriage to say it's so insensitive 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.280 like that. I feel like port would be playing in 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.880 people's faces. She does, and I'm sure she'll go on 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.800 some little stupid show and say that I need her 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.920 for Cloud. Someone just told me that the comments I 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.880 don't need you for Cloud, Porsche. I've not followed your 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.159 page since you were on Dish Nation. Okay, so I 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:28.880 don't need you for Cloud, but I can I'm not 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.120 blinded by your acuteness. I can call it for what 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.440 it is. It's never okay for you to be so 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.880 casual about a miscarriage. And even if you thought that 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:38.720 was it, you would maybe pulled to the side and be. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.159 Like, was that did you have a miscarriage? 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.760 You don't say that in front of everybody because you 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.839 just don't do that. That is a very sensitive thing 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.120 to talk about. And I think she plays in her 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:50.000 face and play stupid. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.680 But oh no, no, who me, No, I didn't mean 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:53.400 that or. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.200 I've had them too. Do not believe that that port 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.640 She's dumb. But she's also very conniving. She's also very 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.440 me she knows what she's doing. She's a reality TV veteran, 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.560 and people she does not get away. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:06.760 You do not get to pass that. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.120 You've been doing it for too many years and you 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.120 know better. I think Porscha sees what we all see. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.840 All the attention that ky Michelle was gonna get. She's 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.560 she's very much a very strong personality, and I think Porscha, 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:18.960 I don't know. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.720 I think that was some nice, nasty shit she did. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.800 Right then. I didn't think that was cool at all. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.520 I didn't think it was cool at all. I don't 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:25.960 care if you thought it was a mischaracter or not. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.080 You don't say that out loud in a nail salon, 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.920 in a public place where the freaking nails text can 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.160 hear you say that. No, no, You'll never be able 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.040 to convince me otherwise. I'm sorry, and yes I'm biased, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.400 and I'm not apolsizing for it anymore. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:43.120 The fuck it, Jasmine Heiley Brown. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.440 I agree with Claudia's reasoning, right, Like, I the way 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.320 Portia said her tone of voice was like a miscarriage, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.040 like she was joking. But I was like, that's actually 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.720 not something you joke about, right, So like as someone 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.960 who has like maybe a darker sense of humor, it's 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.040 still not something you joke about, Like it's something so serious, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.600 like it should never be you should never be taken lightly. Right, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.760 And then she did say it in front of a 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.600 bunch of people, and then she tried when they want 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.360 to go meet up, She's like it was a safe space, 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.600 not a safe space for Kaye. Michelle Show is just 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.920 getting to know these ladies. So like, even if that 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.000 was the case, you don't know if that's something that 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.400 she was ready to share with everyone else. And so, Carlos, 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.240 when you said, like people are divided, I'm very curious about, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.080 like what what the other side is saying, Like are 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.640 they saying she didn't mean it maliciously or like. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.760 I might I'm on the other side, Okay, I would 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:32.200 love to know. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:38.000 Oh, hey, blo, I think the debate isn't about what 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.640 she said taky. I think anybody, even a Porsche fan 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.160 with any sense, would agree it's tacky, right. I just 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.760 disagree that it's malicious. I think there are two things 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:50.280 that play here. Porsche is someone who we've seen since 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:54.640 her very first season struggles with intimacy, emotional intimacy. Whenever 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.520 things are serious, she either makes a joke or she 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.600 has dark humor, or she's flippant, right with the Shemia thing. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.720 Whenever Shemya tries to have an emotionally intimate conversation with 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.719 her about the friendship, you see how dismissive Porscha is. Oh, 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.520 nothing's a big deal, nothing's a big deal. But then 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.360 she talks crazy and the confessional Samiah walks on egg 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.080 shells as if she knows that Porscha doesn't like to 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.040 do things that are deep. So I think, on one hand, 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.360 we have Porsche who things that are supposed to be 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.280 seen as sacred. She's not the best at honoring those things, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.160 and she's entitled right now because she's the Gazelle Bryant 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.200 of the franchise currently right I think the combination of 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.520 her flippancy and her being entitled and feeling like she 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.920 can do what she wants, and her sucking at emotional 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.760 intimacy made her do something tacky and lazy. But I 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.199 do not agree that it was directed at k Michelle. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.160 I think it was just her being misbehaved and having 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.760 no manners, and kay Michelle just happened to be who 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:48.439 was directed at. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.119 And I actually do believe. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.959 When she realized that her sloppiness had offended Ky Michelle. 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.679 What I saw in that dinner was you could tell 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.680 that the Porschia, who's usually defensive, was actually trying to 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.520 have some emotional intelligence because she actually respects Cave Michelle. 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.040 I saw somebody who's. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.360 Messy doing their best to be less messy with someone 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:07.280 that they actually fuck with. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.680 And this is why I disagree. This is why I disagree. Okay, Blue, 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:12.800 save me and you on the phone? 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:13.000 Right? 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:13.360 We cool? 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.640 We actually like each other, right, we rock with each other, right, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.440 And we've had conversations. And I've told you on the 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:23.360 phone right about my surgery that has gone left. Right, 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.400 We've had conversations about it. You've given me advice. I've 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.600 had an issue with this implant. It's leaking, something's wrong, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.480 And I've told you I've been dealing with this for 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.000 eight years and it's a thing. How are you now 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.760 playing that dum where you just forgot all those conversations 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.720 about this and you think it's a miscarriage. And if 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:40.400 we're if we're cool enough for me to talk to 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.719 you on the phone about this surgery, don't you think 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.480 if I had a miscarriage, I probably would have said 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.320 that on the phone to you then as well, Like 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.640 I like, like, I don't know, I just felt like that. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.440 I don't even throw that out, Like, what are you doing? 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.440 That's assuming a clarity and present tense personality that Porscha 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.080 doesn't have. I have an assistant who I love. Right, 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.360 she is a little bit Porscha like, So maybe this 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.760 is why I see it differently. I could literally say 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.240 to her, Hey, I'm gonna be on Carlson's show at 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.240 four pm Pacific, do not comment four pm Pacific. She 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.400 will still text me fifteen minutes in the show be like, oh, 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:10.880 I'm sorry, I know I heard, but I forgot right. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.439 Porsche is a very This is not me showing her bell. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.120 I think that in Ky Michelle's the Surgery, Bruce, respectfully, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.079 it's such an old story. I was watching the episode 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:21.800 when I was doing my makeup today. My makeup artist 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.760 said to me, she said, oh shit, she's still going 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:24.040 through that. 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:24.880 I thought that was over. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.400 Just because something is common knowledge doesn't mean it still 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.720 feels current. And so what I'm saying is I believe 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.160 Kamashell had a conversation with her. I just don't think 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.720 that Porscha's always listening. I think Porscha is very self absorbed. Porsia, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.120 She's very self absorbed. We've seen episodes of people saying 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.280 things to her, and the very next scene, who said 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.200 that it's literally one of her memes. I think, literally, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.240 Porscha I don't want see her in Bell. She might 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.000 be a little dumber than y'all giving her credit for. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.120 I think she was absent minded and messy and then 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:52.719 tried to clean it up and now we all think 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.960 she's a brilliant master bider. And respectfully, Porsche, it looks 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:56.080 like I'm looking out for you. I just don't think 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.160 you're briding have to pull this off. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.560 I'm that's even more reason for ky Michelle to have 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.520 a red Why I go up Because if I sat there, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.440 heard the intimacy of the the seriousness of a medical 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.600 thing I'm going through, and you didn't even listen to me. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.160 But then the scene you throw a miscarriage, I think 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.319 that's a major red flag. And I do believe careless 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.199 though I do believe that came to Shell feels similar 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:17.880 to what I'm I'm looking at it because the way 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:19.920 came Michelle faced, but she was like, wait what I 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.439 told you? And Porsche did Actually she did even remember 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.000 her telling her about her surgery, which I don't even 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:25.440 know if that's. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:26.680 True or not, because Porsche is a liar. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.400 It was a bad joke. Pora made like she tried 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:30.120 to make a joke. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.320 Yeah, she tried to make a bad joke and it 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.760 just isn't something to joke about. And it turned came 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.440 Michelle off rightfully, so turned off us as viewers, rightfully. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.040 So that's just nothing you joke about. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.800 But yeah, Porsia, you know we Porsia literally I sit 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.800 home on the Traders because she just talks without like 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:51.719 thinking a lot of times like yeah. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.000 So with that being said, because I do want to 0:12:55.040 --> 0:13:00.600 ask this, Okay, Jasmine, you just said Porscha got kicked 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.640 off the Traders because she says things that she doesn't 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:04.120 think about. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.080 Louis saying, I just think. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.160 She's aloof and she's she's she didn't mean any ill 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:16.079 intention to it. Claudia, in the beginning, you did say, okay, 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.120 I have I watched the full episode because I first 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.440 I thought, okay, maybe not. So my question maybe she 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.679 didn't mean any ill intent. So my question is and 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.920 and and again I'm not a woman, so I don't 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.160 I don't feel the need to insert my opinion on 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.760 the sensitivity of you know what what what what women 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.480 go through, the miscarriage and all of that. Obviously, I know, 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:45.079 I know it's a horrible experience. I was just told 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.120 the other day because I was, I was on a 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:51.760 me and a friend, was out with two other friends 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:56.079 and then you know me, I'm a talker double days. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.960 Is that. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.280 Carlos right now? 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:06.960 He is in heat Jasmine? And then they were they 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.720 were like, Carlos, you're so inappropriate. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.439 I'm what you're talking about because I asked questions but 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.080 that but that that's my makeup. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.800 So my question is, on one hand, was. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.000 It a slip up or do you do y'all think 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.440 there was malice behind it? 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.360 Cause I think that. I think what's. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.480 Divided by the audience that I'm answering your question with 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.640 the jasmine. They're divided because people are saying, Okay, was 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:34.840 it a fucked up thing to say? 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:40.440 I can give you that, But was it malice behind it? 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.320 And that's the question I have to you three ladies, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:43.920 starting with you, Claudia. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.080 I mean, I don't never know what's going on in 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:47.680 her brain because I don't talk to her or something. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.280 You know, I don't. I don't know her like that anymore. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:54.160 So I guess we'll see how the season unfolds. If 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.480 it was malice, like you know, if she changes it 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.040 up and doesn't you But again, then we could be like, 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.840 all right, are bad she will oh my bad. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:01.160 It wasn't malice. 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.080 It was a true mispeak, because we can all misspeak, right, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.400 that is true. What made me change my mind was 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.400 during the Confessionals when we find out that Porsche had 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.880 been on the phone with Cay Michelle and ca Michelle 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.480 and she even said, you've been dealing with about your 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.760 butting that you've been dealing with four eight years. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:20.440 And she stopped herself. 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.560 She didn't go back and watch, she stopped herself when 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.800 she was saying this, So uh okay, you just have 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.960 to be so dumb to think that that could be 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.080 to just throw that out there. And maybe I am 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.280 sensitive to this. It has nothing to do with an 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.640 obsession or a thing with Porsche. It has to do 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.560 with being a woman. In the topic of miscarriages, anyone 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.080 that's ever had one, If anyone ever throws that out 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.160 there before you're ready to put that out there, or 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.920 to even say it in a joking way, abortion. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:46.760 Or even a miscarriage. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.440 Listen, I'll say a lot of things about people, but 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.640 I'm not touching that like that is something that like 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.720 it's very personal to the woman, and you don't put 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:55.160 you don't get to say that in front of an 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.520 misspeak or not. That is something you just gotta like 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.520 and you deserve smoke if you do. What is wrong 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.720 with holding someone accountable for saying that. Whether it was ignorance, misspeaking, 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.480 or being oh malice, it's still bad, you guys, it's 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.760 still bad and it's not hate. I would I would 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.800 if anyone said that, I'd be like, yo, chill, just chill. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.600 I just think that's just so such a personal thing, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.080 and that's I don't know. It's one thing when you've 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.680 been on the phone with me, I've been talking about 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.640 what I'm going through. If I say, oh, I had 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.480 surgery in my eye and then in front of everybody go, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.000 oh you your new titties are just got bitch? 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.240 Were you not listening to all the conversations I had? 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.320 That's what made it for me, like, wait, what Either 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.200 you're a bad friend and you just never listen to 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.360 me on the phone, or you threw my business out there, 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:42.280 or I don't know, it's just there's no good solution 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.840 to it. And I think all too often we blushed 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.920 brush off as oh she's dumb, it's cute, she misspoked, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.960 Oh y'all being too hard. Listen, she's a veteran, she's 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.640 a TV veteran at this point. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.480 So yeah, but I am. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.200 Glad that Cay Michelle seems that she's able to move 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.760 on from it. That's more important than what I think 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.600 about it, that they are able to move on. So 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.280 she's probably like, all right, I hear you, but I'm 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.200 gonna keep one eye on you if it happens again. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:06.840 But if it doesn't, then it's all good. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:07.720 Mm hmm. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.639 And I think to Blue's point that she made earlier, 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.280 the reason I don't think it's it was malicious or 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.639 she had malicious intent because she did seem to like 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.520 genuinely feel bad when they were doing their like one 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.000 on one lunch. So when she said it, it landed horribly. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.800 And I didn't know at that point, like was she 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:27.480 trying to be shady whatever, It's just a bad joke, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.399 move on. But when they were on that one on one, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.040 Porsche was not her usual, like Blue said, defensive self 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.520 when came Michelle confronted her. And so that for me, 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.120 that's the reason why I could probably say she made 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.159 a bad joke, like it didn't land It was a 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.000 really sensitive topic, but she probably did feel really bad 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.480 about that. Porsia herself said she had experienced miscarriages, right, 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.760 so like she knew that it was not something to 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:49.280 joke about. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:50.000 So I do. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.439 I don't think she had malicious intents, but you know 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.520 your intentions doesn't mean like that's the way that it's 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.600 gonna land, right, So, like you might not have intended 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.280 for it to be malicious, but the k Michelle received it, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.760 it probably felt like that for her. But yeah, I 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.760 think I think Portia did a decent job at like 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.159 attempting her her version of taking holding herself accountable and 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.080 like taking accountability and willing being willing to move forward 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.280 after being confronted for something that she did. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.480 Yeah, intention doesn't negate impact, but misspeaking of my intentions 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.679 does cost further harm. So it does matter if you 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.520 say I did something on purpose that I agree was 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.560 fucked up, but I didn't do on purpose, because me 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.159 fucking up is the mistake that I'm willing to take 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.840 accountability for. You insisting I did it on purpose when 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.639 I know I didn't is now attacking my character and 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.080 creating a home problem. So it actually does make a 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.480 difference when you misspeak on someone's intentions because. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.440 I was perfecttion. If ilso misspeak to Carlos. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.760 Right now and I was mortified, I would be sincerely sorry, 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.800 but I would be deeply offended if he then tried 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.720 to tell me I meant something I know I didn't mean, 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.199 because now you're telling me something that is not your 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.600 place to tell me, and you have to either believe 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:54.040 me or not. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:55.720 But it is offensive to be. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.360 Sorry and then have your character attacked. So it does 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.000 actually matter if she intended or not. And I'm going 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.639