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Speaker 1: Morning. Everybody's st J n V. CHARLAMAGNEA god, we are

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building,

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Speaker 1: legend Ice Killed. Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeay, what's happening with y'all?

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Speaker 1: Welcome? How are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: First?

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Speaker 2: I feel good as a government check.

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Speaker 3: Sixth season of the Big Three?

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Speaker 2: Yep, sixth season.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, thank you man.

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Speaker 2: We had a great time last night in Brooklyn the Barclays.

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Speaker 2: A lot of OG's came out, Melly Mail and Grandmaster Flash,

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Speaker 2: Carris One, Eric b Chuck chill out. You know it

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Speaker 2: was it was dope, got damn scarlet, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. So it was a lot of love celebrating

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Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop. Nice crowd, you know,

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Speaker 2: about nine thousand people, so you know, it was pretty amazing.

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Speaker 3: What did the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop? Meaning? The

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Speaker 3: ice cube?

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Speaker 2: Man, it means that, you know, we've come a long way.

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Speaker 2: I remember the first you know year hip hop or

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Speaker 2: you know, really rap. Now hip hop is more, is

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Speaker 2: bigger than just rap, but I remember, you know, rap

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Speaker 2: particularly was you know, the first year it came out,

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Speaker 2: everybody was saying it was a fad, you know, it

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Speaker 2: wouldn't last, and forty nine years later it's the biggest

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Speaker 2: music in the world. So it's a proud, proud moment.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's similar to the Big Three when when

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Speaker 1: you started with the Big Three, everybody thought it was

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Speaker 1: gonna be a fad, and yeah, you're six years later.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about that because you know, we kind

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Speaker 1: of seen the inceumption of the Big Three. How has

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Speaker 1: it been since then? It Is it difficult to get play?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about some of the the difficulties in well.

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Speaker 2: First, the first, I appreciate you guys always supporting you know,

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Speaker 2: from from year one, before y'all even knew what it was.

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Speaker 2: You guys were supporting the league, having us on and

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Speaker 2: talk about it. And you know, we put fifteen thousand

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Speaker 2: really not getting much exposure from mainstream sports media, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's really the problem. And also you know there's things

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Speaker 2: and networks and partners to partner with the Big Three.

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Speaker 2: We think we're running to a lot of interference from

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Speaker 2: the NBA, a lot of deals, you know, make it

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Speaker 2: to the eleventh hour and then get shut down, you know,

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Speaker 2: and so it's frustrating. It's something that we were like

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Speaker 2: suffering in silence because we wanted to work it out

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Speaker 2: with the NBA. You know, we wanted to figure out,

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Speaker 2: you know, what more could we do to show that

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Speaker 2: we're not competition. Now. The whole problem is there's a

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Speaker 2: bylaw in the in the NBA contracts when you're owner,

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Speaker 2: saying you cannot invest in a competing league, and so

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Speaker 2: they're labeling the Big Three as a competing league. Uh,

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Speaker 2: hell no, no, it's not good. It's not good because

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Speaker 2: we're not competing. You know, they're they make billions every year.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're we're still trying to you know, get

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Speaker 2: Excuse me if I can't pronounce that. I want the

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Speaker 2: l a unified school district.

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Speaker 3: So so.

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Speaker 2: We're still trying to get there, and we're just close,

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Speaker 2: you know, sponsor Tolway. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: we're not competing. We play in the summer. If they

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Speaker 2: work with us, we would avoid all the games that

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Speaker 2: we can't coordinate schedules. So we you know, we've tried

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Speaker 2: to do everything to show that we're not competing. We

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Speaker 2: don't take players under twenty two, so we're not going

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Speaker 2: after you know, your one and done, your guys that

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Speaker 2: the NBA. And you know, we we try not to

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Speaker 2: So we're an alternative summer sport that that uh you know,

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Speaker 2: that's what we provide. They're playing five on five, we're

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Speaker 2: playing three on three. It's apples and orangees. It's a

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Speaker 3: It would make sense to me for the NBA to

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Speaker 2: It makes sense to me too, man, And you know,

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Speaker 2: we do what's best for our game to make three

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Speaker 2: the four point shots, we got to bring the fire rule,

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Speaker 2: one shot, free throws, all these things speed up the game,

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Speaker 2: make it faster, make it funner to watch and play.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we're changing the game just to make

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Speaker 2: it better for our sport. We're not, you know, trying

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Speaker 2: players shouldn't be shunned because they might have an issue.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's try to work through it. Let's try

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Speaker 2: they had to do it, you know, if you remember,

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Speaker 2: we pushed them in that. We was the first league

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Speaker 2: They had to follow that. So it's you know, we're

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they don't like that, but you know,

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Speaker 2: we don't care. You know, they they don't own basketball.

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Speaker 2: Like I say this over and over, I don't hear

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Speaker 2: You know, they go and say I want to go

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Speaker 2: that category. Now. They don't do that to TBT, which

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Speaker 2: which is coming back. NBA owners can own a pick

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, I know, last time you up,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're starting to sell teams.

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Speaker 1: Wody so far, well, right now we're talking to a

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Speaker 2: our our next phase. That that, to me, is how

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Speaker 2: we grow the league. We've calibrated it to the point.

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Speaker 2: You got to remember we were inventing a sport at

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Speaker 2: the game is in a good place and now it's

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Speaker 2: time to sell the teams to owners who have their

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Speaker 1: And how did the players work? So you know, two

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Speaker 1: then how do you decide what player goes to watch team?

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Speaker 1: Because I've been to a couple of games, of course

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Speaker 2: And well, you know, we look at first of all

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Speaker 2: and it's like, yo, if I play with him, I

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Speaker 3: And I heard you on Joe Rogan and you said

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Speaker 3: Isn't that a lawsuit if you can prove it.

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Speaker 2: It is, you know, it's it's it's anti trust that

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Speaker 2: they haven't already crossed the line with that. And I

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Speaker 2: think it should be looked into what they're doing to

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Speaker 2: the Big Three because you know, they've they've scared off

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Speaker 2: some big companies who who deal in basketball. Now, you

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Speaker 2: got to understand the basketball. Pool of companies that use

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Speaker 3: Got anymore No, I mean locals like you know, like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so so them the major networks, so you start

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Speaker 2: they're blocking now we got our games, half of our

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Speaker 2: uh Sports Network. But you know we should be on

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Speaker 2: And we've known that they've squashed one deal and so

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Speaker 3: How do they do that? Like how did they squash

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's happened several times, and you know

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Speaker 2: You know, we had KRS one performing and Ji rule

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Speaker 3: I wonder what the NBA wants from the Big Three,

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Speaker 2: That's no. Because the owners, some owners want to invest

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Speaker 2: it's not just the NBA owners that get tainted it's

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Speaker 1: Have you had a conversation with Adam at all? Several?

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Speaker 1: How the conversations went, well.

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Speaker 2: We went to him. We went to him. We actually

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Speaker 2: because you know, we're using a lot of their former players.

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Speaker 3: After six seasons, y'all showing success. I can even see

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Speaker 2: Aree me too. What they should be worried about, to

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Speaker 2: Now that's true competition because that's five on five professional basketball,

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Speaker 2: big bigger money than the NBA. So they should start

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, what do you think about these

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Speaker 1: Like the players say, look, I need a little more

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Speaker 2: Like they know, they know, you know, we're not the

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Speaker 2: and they're welcome to it. Like we don't anybody that's

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Speaker 3: I love this toy you've been on too, man, because

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Speaker 3: it feels like this is authentic ice cube, right, and

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Speaker 3: I'm railing against the machine. So who out of the gatekeepers?

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Speaker 2: I think they're all around, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll put go our rails up, and sometimes they

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Speaker 2: And this is just my testimony. But we all got them,

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Speaker 2: We just got to figure out how to get around

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Speaker 1: So which one is more difficult for you? Because you've

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Speaker 2: None of them? They all easy. You just gotta go

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Speaker 3: At what point did you realize.

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Speaker 2: That, Oh man, you know, after I got mature in

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Speaker 2: You know, some of it they liked, some of it

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Speaker 1: The business? Mind? Right over the BT Awards, of course,

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Speaker 2: Watching watching you know, people I know and like, you know,

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Speaker 2: And it was just I saw that at you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, you know, I finally get to

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, nah, you know, I ain't signed nothing.

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Speaker 2: determines if you're going to be happy with the outcome.

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00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 3: People talk about how instrument of your wife is too

433
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: bus what's.

434
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: Her role everything? You know what I mean? Her role is.

435
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: Just being.

436
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: A confident amuse. You know, she's everything to me. She

437
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: helped me navigate, She helped me with knowledge and wisdom.

438
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: You know, she's just a fantastic person. You know, she's

439
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 2: very ahead of the curve when it comes to muh

440
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: her thinking. So me and her, you know, we we

441
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: go together like macaroni and cheese.

442
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 3: You know, you run everything by her like any.

443
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Not everything, but you know, when when it's time to

444
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: really uh, she's the one who helped me leaving w A.

445
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because I don't really have

446
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: nobody talk to about it. She was just my girlfriend, man,

447
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: And and I was you know, everybody tell me, stand

448
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: in the group, you crazy, You're about to leave? What

449
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: the hell? And she was the only one saying you good.

450
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: Everybody like you anyway, you know what I mean, like

451
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: your records anyway. So that was that was nice to

452
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: hear at a time when my whole hip hop world

453
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: kind of faded to black and I was kind of

454
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: sitting there figuring out what I'm gonna do.

455
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 3: And you know, I want to go back to what

456
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: you were talking about with the record labels, right, because

457
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: you said it's a it's they make songs by committee.

458
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: Yes.

459
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 3: I always think to myself, well, couldn't the artists change that,

460
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: or they just simply stopped making the rap that had

461
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: the criminal intent? But you're saying that they're being pushed up. Yeah,

462
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: make these kind of records.

463
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, a long time ago. It's been happening forever. Some

464
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: of your some of the songs that you love, some

465
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: of the MC's you love, you know it was done

466
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: by committee. It wasn't.

467
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: You know.

468
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: A man with a pin and a mic, you know

469
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. That's me. I'm a man with a

470
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: pin and a mic.

471
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: It's what the NWA ever you think they was ever

472
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: part of the big corporate agenda to push negative content.

473
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, but not not a willing, knowing participant.

474
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: We thought our music was gonna be underground. We didn't

475
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: make our music big, you know, we did not make

476
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 2: our music blow up. We just did it, and we

477
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be underground dirty Street Records. We

478
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: thought our records was gonna be sold with the Richard

479
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: Pryor comedy albums and Red Fox and the you know,

480
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: dirty Dolomite Records and Ship. That's what we thought. So,

481
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: you know, we didn't have a clue that it was

482
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: gonna blow up until it blew up, you know, I

483
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: think you know. One was MTV banding straight out of

484
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: Compton Video. Another was a letter from the FBI. Those

485
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: are two things that started to just blow the group up.

486
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: But we didn't blow ourselves up. You know, everybody blame us,

487
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: but we didn't. We didn't do it.

488
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, we was.

489
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: Doing music. We actually had stopped worrying about the industry

490
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: as much. We was basically doing music that people in

491
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: our neighborhood were like. So we were like, yeah, let's

492
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: just do ship. We know, don't I keep crusting. But

493
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: but let's just keep doing what we've been doing, or no,

494
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: let's just let's let's just do what we know is

495
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: gonna work around here, so we could be at least

496
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: neighborhood stars, you know what I'm saying, We can at least,

497
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: you know, get love in the hoods. So that was

498
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: our uh purpose, and and it.

499
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: Blew up, and it feels like it was like purposely

500
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: driven from the West Coast. It feels like on East

501
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: Coast you had you know, the Chuck D's and the

502
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: krs Ones and those brothers are talk about knowledge yourself

503
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: and is more positive things. But it feels like the

504
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: West Coast they really said, we're gonna give you bitches

505
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: forties and blunts and violence.

506
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know it was uh, I mean,

507
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: y'all had cougie rapping, you know what I mean, school

508
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: d you had a West Coast. It's just yeah, it

509
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: was a whole different, just a whole die because we

510
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: were talking about you know, the Gang Bang mentality, you

511
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean, really and just kind of making

512
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: sense of what we was seeing and going through and

513
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: living through and hearing about, and you know, we was

514
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: just making music out of it instead of you know,

515
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: hearing all these tragic stories and not having a creative

516
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: outlet to express ourselves about them. You know, I did dope, man,

517
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: because I was sick of dude selling dope, and the

518
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: neighborhood was just toe up, you know what I mean,

519
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: because of people we loved and knew was strung out,

520
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: and that was whack to me.

521
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, you know, even since the

522
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: writer strike, how's that affected your business?

523
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: Not at all like what writers strike. I mean, I

524
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: know the writers in the movie industry, but I'm not

525
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: writing no movies right now, so it's not affecting me.

526
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: But you know, I want them to get what they

527
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: think they need. I think it's a situation where they're

528
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: really worried about AI.

529
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: And what's your thoughts on AI.

530
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: I think it's whack. I think it's the worst shit ever.

531
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna put a lot of people out

532
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: of business and out of work, and everything is gonna

533
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: be more vanilla. You know, it's not gonna be more creative.

534
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: It's actually gonna go the other way, and people are

535
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: gonna get lazier, and nobody's gonna work hard, and nobody's

536
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: gonna attain the knowledge so they can write it down.

537
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: They're just gonna ask for the knowledge and and you

538
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: know people are just gonna get stupider.

539
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see how the writers win this. I'm

540
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: part of the writers good I don't see how they

541
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: win this one, though, because I can see them easily

542
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: shrinking writers rooms from nine to ten people to two

543
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: people in AI.

544
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it's it's a it's a it's a

545
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: hard one because you know, the studios. I mean, the

546
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: writers are basically saying, hey, we don't want the studios

547
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: to use it. We want to go home and use

548
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: it and charge all up for the script. You know

549
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like, but it's look, it's uh. You know,

550
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: when they invented the light bulb, the candle maker had

551
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: to figure out how to make money, so he started

552
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: making candles that smell like all kind of stuff to

553
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: make money. So adapt, you gotta adapt to die, you know,

554
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: That's just it. And a lot of people are comfortable

555
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 2: with their careers and it's hard for him too make

556
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: that transition to something different.

557
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you too, you know when you

558
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: when you started getting involved in politics the way you

559
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: did during the last election and just being willing to

560
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: engage with Republicans. You know, did that cost you in Hollywood?

561
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't measure that stuff, you know

562
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: what I mean. I just know you know, when you black,

563
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: things might not go right, you know what I'm saying.

564
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: That's all I know. When you're black, things might be

565
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: set up perfect, but it still might not go right.

566
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: So be ready for that.

567
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: And I saw you say that being black balled helped

568
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: NWA cell records, and it made me think to myself,

569
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: how could you? How could you blackball ice Cube in

570
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three like you an icon? Like you know,

571
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: like what could they do to ice Cube?

572
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Man? I don't know, you know, I don't really think

573
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: about I don't think about it like that. I just

574
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: think about it's hard two to get anybody that's in

575
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 2: your heart out of there, you know what I'm saying.

576
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: So if people got me in their hearts, you ain't

577
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: gonna be able to cancel me. It's gonna be hard

578
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: to get get me out of there. If I'm not

579
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: in your heart, it's probably gonna be easier to cancel me.

580
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: So it's it's really not on me.

581
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that Illuminati, Ice.

582
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: QUB probably, so you know, I don't know none of them,

583
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: None of them tell me. Hey, I'm a little I'm

584
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: saying I don't. I don't participate in none of that.

585
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 2: So I don't know about it. You know, seem like

586
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: it's there, but who knows.

587
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 3: So how do you beat the gatekeepers? Because I feel

588
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: like we're in an era where there's no gates. I

589
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: feel like everybody could just do their own things. So

590
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: how do you how do you beat the gatekeepers that

591
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 3: still exist?

592
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: I think you you persist, You don't let them stop you.

593
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: You know they there. Now, everybody that that's in front

594
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: of the gate ain't always paying attention. You know. I've

595
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: I've duck security in and hit the fence before and

596
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: got in, so I'll do it again. It's it's it's

597
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: like I'm not used to going through the front door anyway,

598
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: So if the front doors is locked, then we'll get in.

599
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because it feels like gatekeeping is such a played

600
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: out thing for even them to be doing, because it's

601
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: like it's like you said, it's so many different ways

602
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 3: to keep past these gates.

603
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: Now, well, it's it's it's to keep a construct it's

604
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: to keep the keep things working the way they are,

605
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 2: to keep certain people relegated to the bottom of the pyramid.

606
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: That's why the gate keepers are there.

607
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: Now, Tony Allen, you just signed Tony Allen with the

608
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: Big Three. Yeah, talk about that.

609
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: Oh, it's great, you know, the Grandfather, you know what

610
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: I mean. We're going back to Memphis. I'm pretty sure

611
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: people gonna be happy to see him. We also going

612
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: to Boston too, so people gonna be happy to see him.

613
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: We gonna be in Miami and Detroit and Charlotte, d C.

614
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: So we're happy to attract. We want more, you know,

615
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: we're hoping to get uh, you know, Lemon Pepper, lou

616
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: up in here to lou Williams, Louis and you know,

617
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: hopefully we get here. We want Isaiah Thomas and Dwight

618
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: Howard and the people you know playing the game. You

619
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: love dope.

620
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: Now, you know, last time, you always say you always,

621
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, talk about the conversation you had with Kobe

622
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: and you felt that you could have had an opportunity

623
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: to get Kobe. Is there anybody else that that that

624
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: you feel like you talk to, that you're talking to

625
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: that might be a possibility that.

626
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to say names because one

627
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: I do that sometimes it jinks it. You know, I

628
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: thought Paul Pierce was coming. He told me he was coming.

629
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: He didn't come, So why didn't he come? It was

630
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: was a reason or he never told me why. He

631
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: never told me why.

632
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: So some dudes they just done, you know, they like,

633
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: I'm retired, man and gave my body to basketball and

634
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: I don't want to play no more. So we don't

635
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: want you in the Big Three if you like that anyway.

636
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: We want guys still with a chip on their shoulders,

637
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: still want to go at it, still want to show

638
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: show the world what they got.

639
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: What was your relationship? Like with Kobe?

640
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: It was cool, you know, but.

641
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: It was.

642
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: It was friendly, but it was it was still from afar,

643
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: you know. I I admired him as a as a

644
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: basketball player. You know, he's much younger than me. So

645
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: sometimes I don't want to spoil that by you know,

646
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: getting in people face more than than than I would.

647
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: As a fan, you know, I like the fan. I

648
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Speaker 2: like to be a fan because it's not too many

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Speaker 2: things I'm fans of, So I cherished that, like I

650
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: like to when I go to the games. I like

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00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: to actually watch the game. I don't care if anybody

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00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: put a camera on me. All them championships, I'm there,

653
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: but I'm not on the floor. I'm in my suite.

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Speaker 2: So that's how I like it.

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Speaker 3: What about I know, you know you've seen a lot

656
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Speaker 3: of legends, you know, transition, right just being in hip hop,

657
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: a lot of hip hop legends. When Kobe passed, how

658
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: did that feel different than those?

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Speaker 2: It felt? Uh, it felt darker because it was just

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Speaker 2: so like, I mean, unbelievable is an overrated word, but

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00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: you know, it was something that you never even imagine, Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you don't imagine you know, dudes younger than

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Speaker 2: you that are you know in the NBA, a superstar

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Speaker 2: like that Dan, Like we haven't had that think about it.

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Speaker 2: Who you know, what athlete that I wasn't hereing like

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00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: uh h Roberto Clemente. I mean, yeah, I wasn't. I

667
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: wasn't really I was here, but I wasn't focused on baseball.

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00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: I was a youngster. I can you know, maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: that to people, you know, he was a superstar baseball player,

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00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 2: but not yeah, not Kobe level, Like that's never happened

671
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: to us, And so it was kind of the unthinkable.

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00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: So that's what made it even darker than me tragic.

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Speaker 2: And he had his daughter with him because I made

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Speaker 2: it even worse with.

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Speaker 1: A six season the Big Three. Mellow, Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: love to get mellow. Mellow stop balls. Last year you

677
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Speaker 1: were average fourteen that he was twenty points.

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Speaker 2: Man, he would kill the league.

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Speaker 1: He still practices every day, he still trains Mellow.

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Speaker 2: Come holler at us, man, You'll have fun. You know,

681
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: I got these dudes eight. We was in Brooklyn last night, man,

682
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: you know, to see Michael Beasley hanging with Doctor j

683
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: and see you know, Clyde to glide over here talking

684
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: to Mario Charmers and and Joe Johnson. It's like Basketball Heaven.

685
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: Man's Basketball Heaven and the Big Three. And we're going

686
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: from town to town like an All Star game, coming

687
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: in and having fun and making the city better than

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00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: it was before we got there. You know, we're doing

689
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: cool community stuff with the Young three. So it's, uh,

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00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: it's a dream come true for me.

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Speaker 3: I got a couple more questions. Ron Riser, He's always

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Speaker 3: with you, you know, when he walked to everybody, Oh

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Speaker 3: that's Friday, Like, what what role does he play in

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Speaker 3: your circ Uh.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're actually cousins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, My father and

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00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: his mother grew up in Chatham, Louisiana together, and so

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Speaker 2: you know, he's been around and he's like been a

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Speaker 2: right hand and left hand man. You know, he's he

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00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: handles his business. He's very thorough and he's very business minded.

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Speaker 2: So he's my role manager. So he also makes sure

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00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: everything is right when I when I hit the road,

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00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: and a very good friend. You know, he's my cousin,

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00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: but but I don't like all my cousins, so so

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00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: you know, he's closer than the cousin to be honest,

705
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 2: like a brother.

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Speaker 3: And last question, you know my Wes Moore y'all out

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Speaker 3: here cooking with that. But I saw a pick the

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Speaker 3: other day, you and you, you and doub c.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Is there ever a chance we could get a West

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00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: Side Connection reunion with you, Dub and Mactin.

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00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: Probably not? Probably not. Wow, I don't want to do

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00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: another west Side Connection. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw mac tin on on on Black TV, and

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00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: you know, I always wonder what what happened with that relationship.

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Speaker 2: When you get of course he do, of course he do.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it. To be honest,

718
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: because he know what it is. That's all they need

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Speaker 2: to matter to me. He know what it is. All right.

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Speaker 1: Well, there you have it, ice Cube ladies, and the

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Speaker 1: sixth season of Big Three makes you go out and support.

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Speaker 3: I gotta get the don mega hoodie man. I hope

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Speaker 3: you're selling those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know we're gonna hit. We're gonna hit to

725
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Speaker 2: drop the collection very soon. Will Well, we'll start uh

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00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 2: publicizing it. But I'll send you some some gear for sure.

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00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: I just need your size as yours too.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thanks for the invite they invited me to. They

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Speaker 1: invite you because you can't play basketball, but they invited

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Speaker 1: me to do the four point contest. But I was

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Speaker 1: stuck in Charlotte last last night. I got back at

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Speaker 1: ten o'clock.

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Speaker 2: But I appreciate you any time.

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Speaker 1: No, I got back last night. They invite you you too,

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Speaker 1: sure you probably can't even read the rim from the

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Speaker 1: four point shot.

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00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: I can shoot, you cannot anybody get shoot.

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Speaker 1: Next city, Me and Charlamagne anytime man will do the

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Speaker 1: no point Let me know which one. Y'all want to come,

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Speaker 1: put some money on it and we'll put the get

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Speaker 1: the money to charity.

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Speaker 2: That'll be nice. You have it.

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Speaker 1: It's ice Cube, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,