WEBVTT - TechStuff Profile: Alfred Loomis

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Works dot Com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer here

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<v Speaker 1>at how Stuff Works in not Love All Things Tech.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's episodes, another listener request, listener Chris asked that

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<v Speaker 1>I do a profile on an important person in tech history,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's often overlooked by a lot of people. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is not terribly recognizable outside of a certain group

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<v Speaker 1>of scientists and people who are fans of science. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be Alfred Lee Loomis. Loomis would become incredibly important

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<v Speaker 1>to the development of technology and science in the early

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century in America, and yet his name is not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar to many, even those who do pursue science as

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<v Speaker 1>a career. So Chris, here we go first. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the many resources I used while researching this episode was

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<v Speaker 1>a biography that was written by Louis W. Alvarez. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this shortly after Louis's death. Loomis passed away in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen Alvarez likened Alfred Lee Loomis to wealthy individuals who

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<v Speaker 1>used their financial independence to support themselves as they pursued

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual interests. So in the days before organized science, when

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<v Speaker 1>you had folks like Sir Isaac Newton or Charles Darwin

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<v Speaker 1>who were really pursuing these these intellectual challenges, they were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to push back ignorance and really learn how the

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<v Speaker 1>universe works. A lot of them were independently wealthy. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why they were able to do this. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to work for a living because they already had money,

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<v Speaker 1>so they could actually pursued that. Not that they weren't working,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were pursuing science which didn't have a salary

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<v Speaker 1>attached to it. These were people who they could rely

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<v Speaker 1>on their fortune to give them the time and energy

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<v Speaker 1>to devote to pursuing knowledge. There was no need to

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrate that this pursuit of knowledge would ultimately produce something

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<v Speaker 1>of financial value. That's a big problem in funding sciences

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<v Speaker 1>in general, especially if you're looking for government funding. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of government agencies want to know what the end

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<v Speaker 1>result of your work is supposed to be. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>how can they apply whatever it is you are looking into.

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<v Speaker 1>And it may be that you're doing exploratory research where

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what applications, if any, there might be

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<v Speaker 1>to your work, but the work itself is still important

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can actually have a deeper understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>how our universe works. When you are telling that to

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<v Speaker 1>someone who writes the checks, they say, well, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>I need to have a reason why I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>give you money, as opposed to a reason that's bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than just I wonder why this works the way it does.

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<v Speaker 1>I need a better reason than that. I need a

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<v Speaker 1>reason like I wonder why this works the way it does.

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<v Speaker 1>And once I know I'm going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>build you a killer robot that can lay waste to

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<v Speaker 1>your enemies, then I'm totally gonna fund your research. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're independently wealthy, you can research whatever the heck

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<v Speaker 1>you want and you don't have to worry about producing

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<v Speaker 1>results that are going to make anyone any money. You

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<v Speaker 1>might still do that down the line, but that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why you're actually looking into things so alwardly.

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis kind of falls into that category. That's how science

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<v Speaker 1>progressed for centuries, by the way, before we get to

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<v Speaker 1>organize science. Once you did get to the part of

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<v Speaker 1>organized science, you begin to actually have universities forming these

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<v Speaker 1>formalized scientific departments. Then you had the ability to earn

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<v Speaker 1>a living as a professor and still pursue science on

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<v Speaker 1>the side, so you could do experimental research as well

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<v Speaker 1>as teaching. Right, you would teach in order to fund

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<v Speaker 1>your scientific research pursuits. Uh. So you have two different

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<v Speaker 1>eras the independent wealthy or maybe you found a patron

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<v Speaker 1>who would uh support your scientific research. Leonardo da Vinci,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, was someone who would get patrons and the

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<v Speaker 1>patronage would afford him the ability to think like the

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<v Speaker 1>smarty pants person he was. Or you got to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where you were a teacher and that's how you

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<v Speaker 1>afforded it. Alfred Lee Lomis came from a family where

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have to worry about this too much. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born on November fourth, seven and was born

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<v Speaker 1>into a prestigious and well connected family. His grandfather, also

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<v Speaker 1>named Alfred, had been a pioneer in treating tuberculosis. The

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis Laboratory at Cornell Medical College and the Loomis Sanatorium

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<v Speaker 1>in Liberty, New York were both named for Grandpa Loomis.

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred's father was Dr Henry Patterson Loomis, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>also a medical doctor and a professor of Clinical medicine

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<v Speaker 1>at Cornell and New York Medical Colleges. In addition, Loomis's

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<v Speaker 1>uncle on his mother's side was also a physician, and

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<v Speaker 1>his cousin, Henry L. Stimpson, would serve as the Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>of State under Herbert Hoover and as the Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>War during World War Two. So uh Loomis learned early

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<v Speaker 1>on to leverage the relationships he made throughout his life

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<v Speaker 1>for the benefit of many people, not just himself. Loomis's

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<v Speaker 1>family was doing really well when he was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't ridiculously wealthy, but they were certainly a family

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<v Speaker 1>of substantial means. From the ages of nine to thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>young Alfred Lee Loomis attended the St. Matthew's Military Academy

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, but at thirteen he transferred to Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>Academy and Over in Massachusetts, and that's a boarding school

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<v Speaker 1>that's designed to prepare students for university. Loomis became an

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<v Speaker 1>eager student of many fields. His two big loves as

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<v Speaker 1>a child were chess and stage magic. Now, according to

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Alvarez, Loomis was capable of playing two games of

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<v Speaker 1>chess simultaneously while blindfolded. Although Alvarez said he never witnessed

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis playing chess personally. Alvarez was a friend of Loomis,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did hear these stories. But apparently Loomis was

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<v Speaker 1>able to envision both games in his mind's eye. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't need to see the boards. He could keep track

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<v Speaker 1>of all the moves just in his brain and be

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<v Speaker 1>able to play both games. Uh, technically, I can do this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would lose track of the pieces and I

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<v Speaker 1>would never win a game. But still I can play

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<v Speaker 1>chess blindfolded, not by following the rules, and I'll never win,

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<v Speaker 1>but I could do it. I do have a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that I would have enjoyed his company at this stage

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<v Speaker 1>in his life a great deal, because I think we

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<v Speaker 1>would compare magic tricks. Louis Alvarez knew Loomis for thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five years. He was surprised by this story about chess

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<v Speaker 1>because he had never seen a chess board and Loomis's possession,

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<v Speaker 1>but he would eventually ask Loomis's wife about the game,

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<v Speaker 1>and she replied that Alfred did keep a small chess set,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did so for purposes of creating and then

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<v Speaker 1>solving chess problems rather than to actually play games against

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<v Speaker 1>other people. He did keep his love of magic throughout

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<v Speaker 1>his life, though he would only perform for his children

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<v Speaker 1>and grandchildren, not to adults. I can respect that too,

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<v Speaker 1>because children delight in the performance of magic, while adults

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<v Speaker 1>just bug you with attempts to suss out how you

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<v Speaker 1>did it, or they ask you flat out how you

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<v Speaker 1>did it, which is not the point of magic. In

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred Lee Loomis enrolled in Yale University. He studied mathematics,

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<v Speaker 1>but did not yet plunge himself into deep scientific studies.

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<v Speaker 1>He did enjoy tinkering with technology and was known to

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<v Speaker 1>build gliders, model airplanes, and even remote controlled automobiles. He

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<v Speaker 1>also developed a strong interest in artillery weapons and their operation.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and he would spend afternoons throwing boomerangs outside with

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<v Speaker 1>one of his professors while they tried to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with ways to create a theorem that would describe the

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<v Speaker 1>boomerangs flight behaviors, which I think is pretty charming and interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>After completing his initial education, he enrolled in Harvard Law

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<v Speaker 1>School to study law. He felt law was a good

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<v Speaker 1>spring board for numerous career opportunities and he focused primarily

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<v Speaker 1>on corporate law. His cousin, Henry Stimpson, who had a

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<v Speaker 1>law firm called Winthrop and stinsom Uh, promised Loomis a

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<v Speaker 1>space in the firm as a law clark. Right out

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<v Speaker 1>of school. Loomis graduated in the top ten percent of

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<v Speaker 1>his class in nineteen twelve, having also served as the

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<v Speaker 1>editor for the Harvard Law Review. A few years later,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a successful lawyer living in Tuxedo Park in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. He married Ellen Farnsworth, and together they had

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<v Speaker 1>three sons. When his sons reached the age of fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>By that eight time, Loomis was a successful businessman and

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<v Speaker 1>was making an enormous sum of money. Loomas decided he

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<v Speaker 1>would grant each of his son's a big old wad

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<v Speaker 1>of cash when they turned fourteen, with the instruction that

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<v Speaker 1>they could do with it whatever they wished, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was meant for them to manage their own needs, essentially saying,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm giving you. It's meant to help

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<v Speaker 1>you pursue whatever career path you want, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>spend it however you like. It's your responsibility. Those three

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<v Speaker 1>sons went on to become distinguished members of society. The

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<v Speaker 1>oldest became a financier and an accomplished sailor, The middle

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<v Speaker 1>son became a professor of biochemistry, and the third became

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<v Speaker 1>the president of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Anyway back

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<v Speaker 1>to Loomis. When the United States entered World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred Lee Loomis would join the army. He demonstrated to

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<v Speaker 1>his peers that he had a deep knowledge of artillery

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<v Speaker 1>just because he had been fascinated by it and he

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<v Speaker 1>had been studying it. He also had many connections in

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<v Speaker 1>the financial world, and through them he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>put together information about the equipment that each country in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe had at their disposal during the war, just based

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<v Speaker 1>on their purchases. So he'd say, hey, based upon all

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<v Speaker 1>this information I have, I can tell you how much

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<v Speaker 1>how many UH guns this one country has artillery guns

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<v Speaker 1>like the big big guns. This circumspect method of gathering

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence proved to be quite valuable, and the army assigned

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<v Speaker 1>him to the Aberdeen Proving Grounds to conduct research on ballistics.

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<v Speaker 1>He earned the title of Major while he was there,

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<v Speaker 1>and at Aberdeen he began to work with distinguished scientists,

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<v Speaker 1>including astronomers and physicists, his appreciation for science grew as

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<v Speaker 1>a result. Now, one thing that was a challenge for

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<v Speaker 1>ballistics experts was measuring the muzzle velocity of guns, That is,

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<v Speaker 1>how fast does a projectile leave the weapon once it's fired.

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<v Speaker 1>Only by knowing that information can you make precise charts

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<v Speaker 1>that will predict where a fired shell will land, how

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<v Speaker 1>far away from the gun land based upon its trajectory

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<v Speaker 1>and muzzle velocity. These ballistic charts could help soldiers in

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<v Speaker 1>the field make efficient use of their equipment, and without them,

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<v Speaker 1>the matter of firing our artillery would come down to

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<v Speaker 1>trial and error, which is not terribly safe or efficient

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in the middle of a war zone. But

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<v Speaker 1>this was an era before lasers, which are incredibly useful

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<v Speaker 1>for measuring the speed of an object, particularly very fast

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<v Speaker 1>moving objects. It was before photo electric cells, so there

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be some way to measure the speed of

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<v Speaker 1>those shells as they left the artillery, and Alfred Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis was about to come up with a solution. What

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<v Speaker 1>was it. I'll tell you in just a moment, but

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<v Speaker 1>first let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis's solution to figuring out the muzzle velocity of these

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<v Speaker 1>artillery guns was called the Aberdeen chronograph, and Loomis took

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<v Speaker 1>the problem of measuring muzzle velocity and worked backward to

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<v Speaker 1>create the methodology. It was itself an improvement on a

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<v Speaker 1>previous chronograph called the Boulange chronograph. The principle is actually

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<v Speaker 1>pretty simple. You stake out a couple of spots in

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<v Speaker 1>front of an artillery gun. You know the distance between

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<v Speaker 1>those two spots. You fire the gun so that it

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<v Speaker 1>passes through those two spots, and you invent a way

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<v Speaker 1>to measure when the projectile passes through it. By measuring

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<v Speaker 1>the difference in time between when the projectile arrives at

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<v Speaker 1>the first spot and the second spot, you know how

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<v Speaker 1>fast the projectile is traveling. You then know the muzzle

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<v Speaker 1>velocity of that piece of artillery. Now, in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of the Aberdeen chronograph, here's how it worked. You had

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of frames, large gigantic frames really, with wires

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<v Speaker 1>attached to the frames and the other end of the

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<v Speaker 1>wires went to the chronograph apparatus and a battery. Each

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<v Speaker 1>frame had two sheets of ten and they were separated

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<v Speaker 1>by a thin layer of building paper and paraffin. So

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<v Speaker 1>when a projectile pierced the sheets. It would bring the

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<v Speaker 1>two layers of tin in contact with one another, and

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<v Speaker 1>this would form a circuit that would allow electric current

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<v Speaker 1>to pass through one wire into the frame, through the

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<v Speaker 1>other wire, and back to the chronograph. The chronograph had

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<v Speaker 1>a metal disc on it, and on top of this

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<v Speaker 1>metal disc was a roll of waxed paper tape. It

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<v Speaker 1>was spooled there and it would slowly unwind, or not

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<v Speaker 1>really slowly, but it would unwind and the disc would turn.

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<v Speaker 1>It moves the paper tape. As the disc turns. When

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<v Speaker 1>the incoming signal hit the chronograph, it would cause a spark,

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<v Speaker 1>and the spark would make a burn mark on the tape.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say you're trying to measure the muzzle velocity

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<v Speaker 1>on a particular piece of artillery. You'd started the muzzle

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<v Speaker 1>of the artillery piece. You would measure out of space

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<v Speaker 1>that's fifty feet or fifteen point two four meters in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the artillery piece, and that's where you would

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<v Speaker 1>place the first frame. You would stake it down and

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<v Speaker 1>your first frame would be right there. You would then

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<v Speaker 1>measure an additional fifty feet or fifteen point two four

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<v Speaker 1>meters further out from the gun and place the second

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<v Speaker 1>frame in line with the first, So the guns operator

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<v Speaker 1>would aim down the sites at the frame with the

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<v Speaker 1>goal of having the shell passed through both frames through

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<v Speaker 1>its path. So you would fire the gun, the shell

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<v Speaker 1>would fly out at fifty ft, it would hit the

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<v Speaker 1>first frame, it would continue and in another fifty feet

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<v Speaker 1>it would hit the second frame. And each time it

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<v Speaker 1>hits it would create that electrical circuit that would cause

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<v Speaker 1>a spark to burn a spot on the paper tape.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you go back to the chronograph and you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the paper tape, and by knowing how fast

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<v Speaker 1>the paper tape is moving inside the chronograph, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do some math to find out how much time it

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<v Speaker 1>took the shell to pass through each of those frames.

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<v Speaker 1>By knowing the amount of time it took, and knowing

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<v Speaker 1>already that the distance between those two frames is fifty feet,

0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you could then measure the shells speed. You'd say, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>it took this amount of time to pass through fifty

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<v Speaker 1>ft worth of space. That gives me the velocity of

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<v Speaker 1>the shell. Loomis's improvement to chronographs was significant. His chronograph

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<v Speaker 1>became a standard piece of testing equipment for both the

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<v Speaker 1>U S Army and the Navy. While working at Aberdeen,

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis became well acquainted with a scientist named Dr Robert W. Wood.

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<v Speaker 1>Wood's specialty, at least starting out, was an optics and

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<v Speaker 1>work with infrared and ultra violet light. He was famous

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<v Speaker 1>for debunking the claims of prosper Rene blonde Lott, who

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<v Speaker 1>had claimed he discovered a form of energy similar to

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<v Speaker 1>X rays that he called in rays. While while Wood

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<v Speaker 1>was visiting blonde Lot's lab to witness a demonstration of

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<v Speaker 1>the supposed in rays, he very quietly removed a prism

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<v Speaker 1>from blonde Lot's device, and when blonde Lot claimed to

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<v Speaker 1>observe the mysterious energy after activating his machine, Would calmly

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out that the prism, which was supposedly integral to

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<v Speaker 1>the operation of the gadget, wasn't even in it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was absent, and therefore the effects that were supposedly observed

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<v Speaker 1>could not possibly have been there. It's essentially saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I took the batteries out of that device, so therefore

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<v Speaker 1>it could not have work. There was no power source,

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<v Speaker 1>so your claims are invalid. During World War One, would

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<v Speaker 1>began to study the work of another scientist named Paul Langevin,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been using ultrasonic frequencies in an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>create a detection device that could detect submarines, would observed

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<v Speaker 1>that high powered ultrasonic signals would cause bubbles to form

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<v Speaker 1>in a process called cavitation. Those bubbles would grow and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually implode in water, and they would release a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>amount of heat and pressure in the process. So would

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<v Speaker 1>and Loomis struck up a friendship during this time, and

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis would later become something of a patron for Woods

0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:07.040
<v Speaker 1>continued experimentation in the field of ultrasonic applications. More on that.

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<v Speaker 1>In just a second after World War One, Loomis entered

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<v Speaker 1>the world of finance. He made a tremendous fortune in

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<v Speaker 1>the process. He and his brother in law, Landon Thorn,

0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.919
<v Speaker 1>began to cater to companies in the burgeoning electrical power industry, so,

0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.800
<v Speaker 1>in other words, they became financiers for public utilities. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was during a time of rapid growth in that industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and they earned millions of dollars all in the years

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to the stock market crash of nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine and the Great Depression in fact, Loomas even made

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<v Speaker 1>a huge profit while millions of people were finding themselves

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<v Speaker 1>out of work in the process, not in the process,

0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.880
<v Speaker 1>but during the Great Depression. It wasn't that the two

0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:55.439
<v Speaker 1>things were directly related. Loomas actually was quite concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Depression, and he also wasn't really fond of

0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole cons of of making all this money. He

0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.080
<v Speaker 1>was really good at it, but that wasn't really where

0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.679
<v Speaker 1>he was focused. He wasn't obsessed with making money. In

0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:12.760
<v Speaker 1>nine Loomis began visiting Robert Wood's home laboratory, which was

0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 1>inside a barn on Wood's property, and Loomis became a

0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.080
<v Speaker 1>frequent visitor. Clearly he was interested in scientific pursuits, and

0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.840
<v Speaker 1>he told Dr Wood that he would be willing to

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<v Speaker 1>underwrite scientific experiments if Dr Wood had any projects he'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to tackle that he otherwise would have trouble funding.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dr Wood told Loomis about his ultrasonic experimentation and

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<v Speaker 1>the effects that had on water, and he indicated that

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<v Speaker 1>there could be significant applications in the fields of chemistry, biology,

0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.200
<v Speaker 1>and physics. So Loomis thought this was a fascinating idea,

0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and he decided to put money behind it. So he

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<v Speaker 1>created a lab at his home and he invited Dr

0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.399
<v Speaker 1>Wood to work at this lab. Later, Loomis would purchase

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous estate in nineteen seven in the community of

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<v Speaker 1>Tuxedo Park. He was already living in Tuxedo Park, but

0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.440
<v Speaker 1>now he built this or He bought this enormous estate

0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.720
<v Speaker 1>called the Trask Estate, and he converted it into his

0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.920
<v Speaker 1>own private laboratory. Was space to house scientists who came

0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.480
<v Speaker 1>there to do work, so a visiting scientists might find

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<v Speaker 1>himself with a ladging at Loomis's enormous estate. He would

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<v Speaker 1>host various scientists working on all sorts of interesting problems.

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<v Speaker 1>He also hosted some of the world's most famous scientific minds,

0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.280
<v Speaker 1>like Albert Einstein, for example. He would get involved in

0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.119
<v Speaker 1>these pursuits as well on occasion. Among them were the

0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.360
<v Speaker 1>ultrasonic experiments that his friend Dr Would was heading up.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Dr Wood, and I apologize for this next

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<v Speaker 1>bit because it makes me a little nauseated. The two

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<v Speaker 1>used ultrasonic frequencies and tested their effects on numerous fish

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<v Speaker 1>and mice, killing a whole lot of them in the process,

0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and trying to determine exactly what the mechanism was that

0:19:55.680 --> 0:20:00.480
<v Speaker 1>was killing the animals charming right, This was in a

0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:05.480
<v Speaker 1>different time anyway. The point is that he was very

0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.159
<v Speaker 1>much interested in funding scientific research, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of work in various fields that would not have

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<v Speaker 1>happened without his support. Now I've got more to say

0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.720
<v Speaker 1>about Loomis and his involvement with technology and science, but

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<v Speaker 1>before I go into the next section, let's take another

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<v Speaker 1>quick break to thank our sponsor. When Loomas turned forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>he retired from Wall Street. The Great Depression had hit,

0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the stock market had crashed in ninety nine, and Loomis

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<v Speaker 1>didn't care for the political direction the US was taking.

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<v Speaker 1>As FDR spoke out against big business, he began dedicating

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<v Speaker 1>his time and energy to science and tinkering. One of

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis's failures was in the design of a racing yacht

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<v Speaker 1>that competed in the America's Cup. So this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those times that I have trouble reconciling things, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Depression is on. People are out of where. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>rich people like the Vanderbilts and Loomis are spending huge

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of money to construct racing yachts that have no purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Other than to race each other. I have a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with that, but anyway, so it was something of a

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<v Speaker 1>custom for stinking rich people to purchase and staff a

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:23.719
<v Speaker 1>J class yacht at this time for the purposes of

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<v Speaker 1>racing in the prestigious America's Cup race. A J class

0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.320
<v Speaker 1>yacht had a single mast and had to follow the

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<v Speaker 1>universal rule, as established by Nathaniel Hairschoff. So what is

0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.399
<v Speaker 1>the universal rule? Was actually a formula, and it told

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<v Speaker 1>you the relationship of various parts of a yacht's dimensions,

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<v Speaker 1>and if that relationship all fell within the same zone,

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<v Speaker 1>then two different yachts would be said to belong to

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<v Speaker 1>the same class, even if they were of drastically different

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<v Speaker 1>size and shape. So the formula goes something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>You take the link of the boat, you multiply that

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<v Speaker 1>by the square root of the sale area, and you

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<v Speaker 1>multiply that by point one eight. That number, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>would change over time, sometimes it was point to but

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.760
<v Speaker 1>point when it's a good rule of thumb. You take

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<v Speaker 1>that product, that whole number that you just got from

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<v Speaker 1>doing what I said, and you divide it by a

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<v Speaker 1>third of the square root of the ship's displacement, Which

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<v Speaker 1>sounds complicated, but the point of this whole thing was

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<v Speaker 1>to determine what was called the rating for the yacht.

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<v Speaker 1>Ratings are measured in units of distance, and if the

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<v Speaker 1>yacht had a rating of between sixty five and seventy

0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.960
<v Speaker 1>six feet, it qualified as a J class yacht. The

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<v Speaker 1>system allowed yachts of different sizes and dimensions to potentially

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<v Speaker 1>race against each other as long as those ratings fell

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<v Speaker 1>within the same range. So it's all the different proportions.

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<v Speaker 1>If they matched up properly, you would get the same rating,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they might be a very different sizes. Loomis

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<v Speaker 1>and his business partner Thorn, wanted to use scientific principles

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.600
<v Speaker 1>to create a superior J class yacht. They had in

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>mind a system in which all the yachts operations could

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:12.760
<v Speaker 1>be performed below decks using various winches and controls, and

0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.399
<v Speaker 1>the idea was that clearing the decks of people the

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:20.159
<v Speaker 1>top deck would improve the yachts speed. They worked with

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.479
<v Speaker 1>the m I T. Naval Architecture Department to design and

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:27.399
<v Speaker 1>build the yacht, paying for the construction themselves. Their yacht

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<v Speaker 1>was called the Whirlwind. It launched in nineteen thirty. It

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.439
<v Speaker 1>was not a success and Ultimately, it was scrapped in

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty five. This I also have a problem with

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.840
<v Speaker 1>to spend that much money on something that lasts five years.

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Loomis and Thorn also made another purchase together. It was

0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 1>more than half of Hilton Head. That's an island off

0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.640
<v Speaker 1>the coast of South Carolina. At the time, hilton Head

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 1>was undeveloped, and the two used it for their own

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 1>personal recreation, mostly riding around and hunting. Loomis's interests remained

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.760
<v Speaker 1>very He was particularly fascinated with time keeping and consistently

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 1>was on a quest to find more accurate means of

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 1>keeping the time, both in short term and long term applications.

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.240
<v Speaker 1>He even conducted experiments that showed the moon's effect on

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.640
<v Speaker 1>pendulum clocks by comparing some extremely high quality clocks against

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 1>a coartz oscillator timekeeping methodology. He also worked with E.

0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Newton Harvey to develop a microscope centrifuge. The microscope made

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.200
<v Speaker 1>it possible to observe the effect of high g forces

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>on the deformation of cells. In other words, this device

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>would spin samples at very high speeds to simulate a

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 1>strong gravitational pull, whilst simultaneously allowing scientists to observe the

0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>effects on the cells inside the samples, which is pretty neat.

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 1>He also became interested in the work of a guy

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:52.400
<v Speaker 1>named Hans Burger, who had discovered the existence of brain waves.

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 1>The existence of such waves was still a matter of

0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>some debate in the nineteen thirties, and so Loomis, who

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.280
<v Speaker 1>had a deep wallet and and inquisitive mind, set up

0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 1>a testing lab in his own personal laboratory with a

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>special screen cage designed to block electromagnetic interference during experiments

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 1>so that they didn't have to worry about false positives.

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Loomis's work ended up validating Burgher's findings and paved the

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:20.719
<v Speaker 1>way for the e G. One other major project Loomas

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.959
<v Speaker 1>was involved in was creating the long range navigation system

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.199
<v Speaker 1>called Lauren l O R A N. I'll do a

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>full episode on Lauren next, but it's too big a

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>topic to tackle in this episode. It's pretty darn cool, however,

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's a really interesting means of navigating overseas. Work

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:45.160
<v Speaker 1>continued at his private laboratory until nineteen forty. Now by

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 1>that time, World War two was in full swing in Europe,

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>but America had not yet formally entered the War, however,

0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Allied powers were trying to advance the science and technology

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.920
<v Speaker 1>of radar. Robert Watson Watt, a physicist and engineer, developed

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the first practical aid our system in nine but while

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>it worked, it had some big drawbacks. One of those

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>was that the wavelengths that they were using for radio

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>signals in this radar system were very, very long, and

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>that required enormous antennas, and it limited how accurate the

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 1>system was. You'd be able to detect that there was

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:22.199
<v Speaker 1>an incoming aircraft, but pinpointing exactly where it was was

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:26.520
<v Speaker 1>much more difficult. British engineers named John Randall and Harry

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Boot created a technology called the cavity magnetron that they

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 1>suspected would be a solution, but they needed help. Britain

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.119
<v Speaker 1>sent an envoy to the United States to enlist the

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:42.120
<v Speaker 1>help of American scientists and engineers to produce radar systems

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>that could take advantage of the cavity magnetron. Now, a

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>cavity magnetron is a special type of vacuum tube. The

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>vacuum tube has special metal cavities, and when powered, the

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>vacuum tube begins to eject electrons. I talked about vacuum tubes.

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.640
<v Speaker 1>In a recent episode of tech Stuff, these objected electrons

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>would move have passed these metal cavities and they would

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>be interacting with a magnetic field. And as the electrons

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 1>would pass the cavities, this interaction would cause radio waves

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to oscillate inside those cavities and produced microwaves, the frequency

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<v Speaker 1>of which would depend upon the physical dimensions of the cavities.

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<v Speaker 1>The version that Randall and Boot created could produce microwaves

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<v Speaker 1>at a wavelength of ten centimeters. The shorter wavelengths meant

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<v Speaker 1>the antenna could be smaller and the waves could detect

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<v Speaker 1>smaller objects as well and with greater precision. The reception

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<v Speaker 1>in the US was positive. They said this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that we will collaborate on, and a new lab began

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<v Speaker 1>to take shape. Loomis had a hand in the creation

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<v Speaker 1>of this lab, and it became known as the m

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<v Speaker 1>I T Radiation Laboratory. Loomis himself became the head of

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<v Speaker 1>the Radar Division for the US under the newly formed

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<v Speaker 1>National Defense Research Committee or in d r C, and

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<v Speaker 1>he oversaw the lab. He shut down his own personal

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<v Speaker 1>lab in the meantime to focus solely on the RAT lab.

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<v Speaker 1>As it was called. The lab was able to refine

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<v Speaker 1>the design of radar, and the collaborative effort between the

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<v Speaker 1>English and American engineers and scientists help spawn a technology

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<v Speaker 1>that was instrumental no pun intended in war efforts. It

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<v Speaker 1>also eventually led to the development of the microwave oven,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's another story. Loomiss contributions were often behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh he knew the right people in business and the

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<v Speaker 1>patent office to help streamline efforts and make it easier

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<v Speaker 1>for the engineers and scientists to do their work. While

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't necessarily get involved in the labs with the

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<v Speaker 1>research efforts, he made sure that the work could continue

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<v Speaker 1>with as few obstacles in the way as possible. The

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<v Speaker 1>rad Lab bustled with activity, but after America entered World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two following Pearl Harbor, Loomis saw his lab rated

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<v Speaker 1>for talent. On more than one occasion, several of his

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<v Speaker 1>bright stars were leaving to go work for another project.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a top secret project, one with a purpose

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<v Speaker 1>only a few people knew. It was called the Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>Project and the purpose was to build a nuclear bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis would continue to fund scientific work, going to Berkeley

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<v Speaker 1>to help Ernest Lawrence raise funds to build a cyclotron

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<v Speaker 1>particle accelerator. After World War Two ended, Loomis divorced his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Ellen, and he married Minette sil Dreer's Hobart. He

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<v Speaker 1>and Hobart had had an extramarital affair and decided to

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<v Speaker 1>divorce their respective spouses and marry each other. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing was a huge scandal in New York society, and

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<v Speaker 1>Loomis and his new wife largely withdrew from public life

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<v Speaker 1>to move into a single household. Now, I say all

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<v Speaker 1>this not to drag Loomis's name through the mud, but

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<v Speaker 1>to illustrate that while he was a remarkable person in

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<v Speaker 1>both business and science, he was by no means perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>In his later years, Loomis became more interested in biology.

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>He spent time with his son Farnie, studying hydra, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>and by that I mean the small organisms that demonstrate

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable lity to regenerate from injuries. They also do not

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<v Speaker 1>appear to age. Loomis lived long enough to tinker with computers,

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 1>or at least calculators, owning a Hewlett Packard Modeled sixty

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>five that's a handheld card programmable calculator that debuted in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four. It costs about four thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>today's money to buy one, and it could hold up

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<v Speaker 1>to one instructions of six bits each. Loomis would pass

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<v Speaker 1>away on August eleven nine, and he had very few

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<v Speaker 1>friends at that point, not because he had alienated them,

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<v Speaker 1>but just that he naturally gravitated to a fairly small

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<v Speaker 1>social circle. But he was known as a very generous friend,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who enjoyed spending time with his friends and supporting

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<v Speaker 1>scientific endeavors. In fact, he was known for funding all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of scientific research throughout his lifetime and became part

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<v Speaker 1>of the UH, the whole society of scientists in America,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that he was largely known as someone

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<v Speaker 1>who worked behind the scenes and he kind of eschewed

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<v Speaker 1>the public spotlight. So, Chris, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>this suggestion. It was fascinating looking into the life of

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred Lee Loomis, And in our next episode we will

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<v Speaker 1>look more closely at Lauren, the long range navigation tool

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<v Speaker 1>that he designed, and talk about how it works and

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<v Speaker 1>the math behind it, because it's pretty fascinating stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to doing that because despite being an English

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<v Speaker 1>Lit major back in my youth, I also really love math,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically algebra, and there's a whole lot of algebra when

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