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Speaker 4: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 5: We're coming to you from the NFL scouting combine here

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Speaker 5: in Indianapolis at is Thursday.

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Speaker 4: We just heard from the cornerbacks, the tight ends, the safeties.

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Speaker 5: are just plowing through the days here. It's starting to

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Speaker 5: get a little bit like groundhog Day. But certainly the

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Speaker 5: highlight today Travis Hunter, a player that the Patriots could

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Speaker 5: possibly be in the mix for at the top of

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Speaker 5: the draft. Would you think of him at the podium?

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Speaker 5: I know we had to like weasel in there and

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Speaker 5: try to It was a huge crowd to barely hear

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Speaker 5: this I have of all the time. You know, Look,

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Speaker 5: the quarterbacks are always a big draw.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure when Shador Sanders talks tomorrow, they'll be a

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Speaker 1: giant scrum and front of his podium as well. But

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Speaker 1: in my time coming to the Combine, that was one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest media scrumbs I've ever seen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about you had to put that man in

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Speaker 1: an auditorium and you have all the seats or something

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Speaker 1: like that, because this wasn't big at the Convention Center,

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Speaker 1: was not big enough.

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Speaker 5: You got guys who love offense, you got guys who

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Speaker 5: love defense. Everybody's here to watch this. This one exceptional player.

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Speaker 3: It was incredible. It was incredible to watch.

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Speaker 1: And look, I understand that I'm trumpeting this.

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Speaker 3: This is a meat and potatoes offseason for the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: As much as I would love to sit here and

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Speaker 1: say go get the shiny new toy, go get the

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Speaker 1: Heisman winning two way superstar player like Travis Hunter, I

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Speaker 1: think we all feel the same way. Trenches trenches trenches. Now,

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Speaker 1: with that being said, I was really impressed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you.

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Speaker 3: Talk about swagger, you talk about a guy that.

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Speaker 1: Can just come in and have that confidence in that bravado.

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Speaker 3: That instant star type of impact.

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Speaker 1: He just oozes with confidence, and I thought that was

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Speaker 1: just very, very apparent.

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Speaker 3: We spoke with.

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Speaker 4: Elliott Wolf yesterday.

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Speaker 5: He told us that they had, you know, they'd written

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Speaker 5: up both scouting reports on him as a wide receiver

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Speaker 5: as well as a cornerback. And it seems like a

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Speaker 5: lot of teams really view him. Some view him as

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Speaker 5: a wide receiver, some view as a cornerback. Still there's

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Speaker 5: no real consensus at this point. It seems like he

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Speaker 5: still would like to play both sides, but he's open

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Speaker 5: to whatever teams might, you know, where they might see

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Speaker 5: him fitting in. But it's just there's so much to

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Speaker 5: talk about with him because there's so much potential on

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Speaker 5: both sides of the ball. Yeah, I think the scuttle butt,

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Speaker 5: as we were just talking about the origin of the

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Speaker 5: scuttle butt.

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Speaker 3: The scuttle butt to me, though, which is.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, is a lot more teams, some of them publicly,

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Speaker 1: like the Cleveland Browns and Andrew Berry, are viewing him

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Speaker 1: as a wide receiver. And I didn't think that was

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Speaker 1: say it's a lot more than what I expected just

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Speaker 1: talking to people around here this week that view Travis

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Speaker 1: Hunter as predominantly a wide receiver, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Like it's impossible in the league where points are always

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Speaker 1: the number one thing on everybody's mind to say, no, actually,

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Speaker 1: we're going to play that guy just at cornerback when

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Speaker 1: we know that we have a number one receiver also

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Speaker 1: the field. So he said that he wants to play

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Speaker 5: So you mentioned scuttle bunts the word of the day.

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Speaker 5: That's what happens here in Indianapolis. A lot of late nights,

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Speaker 5: people talking agents GMS all that that's when talk comes,

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Speaker 5: it's when medical testing happens and some things start to

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Speaker 5: that we've been talking about already. It feels like forever

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Speaker 5: It might take some time for him.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: Teams have to kind of weigh this, and I think

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Speaker 4: Out there being like, can I just push him out

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Speaker 4: of the top three?

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Speaker 5: Maybe, But I'm gonna say this right now, like, given that,

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Speaker 5: given what we've been hearing a little bit about some

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Speaker 5: Hunter still might be a long shot, but not totally

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Just starting with Abdul Carter, I think there is some

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Speaker 1: concern about this being one of those lingering injuries, not

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Speaker 1: just one of those things that could maybe linger into

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Speaker 1: how do you best go about managing that is going

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Speaker 1: So now at the top of the draft, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Abdul Carter was going to go to Tennessee and was

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Speaker 1: England anyways, but now it's definitely even bigger to get

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Speaker 1: those medical rechecks in a couple of months to see

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Speaker 1: where he's at physically with his foot injury. Do I

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Speaker 1: Probably not. I don't think it sounds like it's anything

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Speaker 3: We just saw Colston.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well you mentioned Colston Lovelin. Let's transition.

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Speaker 5: We also heard from the tight ends today, of course,

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Speaker 5: Tyler Warren from Penn State a toop that list.

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Speaker 4: He just seems like a.

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Speaker 5: Country tight end, tough meat and potatoes kind of a guy.

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Speaker 5: You can feel the confidence off of him, which is

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Speaker 4: We mentioned it with the Georgia guys yesterday.

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Speaker 5: There are certain guys that just have that presence where

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Speaker 4: Already in the league.

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Speaker 5: Harold Fan and Junior another guy I think you saw

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Speaker 5: this is a strong tight end class, and yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: He's going to be around, but could be a need,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting conversation of if you're not enamored

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Speaker 1: about where you are there, do you then go ahead

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Speaker 3: There's also depth to this tight end class.

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Speaker 1: So do you have to draft one at four overall

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Speaker 3: I think that there's some.

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Speaker 1: Intriguing talent there on Day two of this draft fan

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Speaker 1: and is more of that physical specimen. I've compared him

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Speaker 1: to like an Isaiah likelier John Smith in the past.

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Speaker 3: It'd be great to.

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Speaker 5: Get into developmental guys, somebody who really moves the needle

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Speaker 5: a little bit as a weapon. And you wonder with

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Speaker 5: Lovelan getting that reconstruction. I know you're a big fan

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Speaker 5: of his top half of the first round. Maybe that

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Speaker 5: pushes him down a little bit. So as much as they're.

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Speaker 1: Like thirty eight, you know, it's about thirty eight, Like

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Speaker 1: I just you can't take the chance on the shoulder,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're gonna start getting testing numbers too as well.

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Speaker 5: And Levan and I are gonna head over who gets

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Speaker 5: but you get the measurements you get. Obviously we've mentioned

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Speaker 5: the injury issues that pop up that may, you know,

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Speaker 5: So those guys are gonna rise up a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a little bit of what the

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Speaker 4: fun is at the combine that you have. All of

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Speaker 5: Somebody you know, jumps out of the roof, jumps out

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Speaker 5: an inch injury as you he goes back down. So

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Speaker 5: testing starting today, anything you're looking we're starting again. They're

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Speaker 5: a day behind with the workouts. So yesterday we heard

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Speaker 4: So as we head over there and we get going

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Speaker 5: Testing, I know you always do a right up in

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, we're gonna throw it to an interview

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Speaker 4: I let Evan.

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Speaker 5: I just let Evan go because I knew like you

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Speaker 1: We're Jordan Now by Jordan Reid from ESPN. Jordan Underscore

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Speaker 1: read on Twitter. Are e I d though right? Not

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 6: And there's only three blue chip guys in this year's

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Speaker 1: So one thing that perked out for me just now,

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Speaker 1: He's that piece that you can build around at the

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned there Higgins, So I really liked it

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Speaker 6: And I've always said that I would always love to

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Speaker 6: coach or have an offensive lineman on my roster that

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Speaker 6: I have to tone down their physicality as opposed to

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Speaker 6: one that you're trying to coach physicality into them. So

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Speaker 6: with Emery, I just think it's a matter of control

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Speaker 6: and I think his balance will get better over time

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Speaker 6: when you do slide him inside. But just the physicality

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Speaker 6: that he plays with, He's a guy I would love.

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Speaker 2: To have on my roster.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tim, more for you everybody in this draft has

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Speaker 1: a running back and a tight end they like great

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Speaker 1: Like you, you can pick from that group who's your

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Speaker 1: running back and who's your tight end.

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Speaker 6: So I'll give you two for running backs, and the

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Speaker 6: first one is.

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Speaker 2: Devin neil I.

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Speaker 6: So I called their game when they went against Illinois

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Speaker 6: this year, which is one of his better games of

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Speaker 6: the year. He's gonna come in at about five eleven,

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Speaker 6: two hundred and twenty pounds. Has that rocked up beauty.

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Speaker 6: Reminded me a lot of Kareem Hunt he was coming

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Speaker 6: out of Toledo. Just the contact balance division, the receiving

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Speaker 6: upside that he has, I think he's gonna be great.

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Speaker 6: And then one of my later round sleepers that I

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Speaker 6: like quite a bit is Brishard Smith out of SMU,

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Speaker 6: who actually originally was a receiver at Miami prior to

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Speaker 6: this year, transitions over to SMU and transition to running

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Speaker 6: back in the same time. So he reminds me a

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Speaker 6: lot of Tyrone Tracy, and we saw what he was

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Speaker 6: able to do last year with the New York Giants.

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Speaker 6: And then a tight end that I absolutely love is

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Speaker 6: Elijah Arroyo out of Miami was finally able to stay

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Speaker 6: healthy this year, only twenty one years old, a bit

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Speaker 6: of that f tight end that you really want to

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Speaker 6: flex out predominantly. You don't want him taking a whole

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Speaker 6: bunch of inline snaps. That's just not where his neighborhood

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Speaker 6: is going to be. But you talk about somebody that

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Speaker 6: has tremendous upside of the position. I'm a bigger Royo fan.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like those two. Those are two big Senior Bowl guys. Okay,

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Speaker 1: very last one for you, then we're gonna let you go.

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, wide receiver, cornerback. Both though he's rare.

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Speaker 6: I mean I've said it every single everywhere I've been,

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Speaker 6: he's my top player in the draft. And he reminds

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Speaker 6: me so much of Champ Bailey. He's coming out of

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Speaker 6: Georgia in the late nineties. Champ actually averaged over one

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Speaker 6: hundred snaps when he was coming out of the draft

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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 2: He's wearing a gold jacket now.

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Speaker 6: But I would play him at corner predominantly, and then

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Speaker 6: I will sprinkle in about twenty to twenty five plays

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Speaker 6: a game with him as a wide receiver, just because

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Speaker 6: I think he's so special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. It feels difficult to do it the

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Speaker 1: other way around. And I think that's Brown.

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Speaker 6: Troy Brown is really the only player that I can

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Speaker 6: think of that's been like that.

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Speaker 2: Well he's Jordan Reid from ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Give him a follow if you don't already, And Jordan,

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Speaker 1: thanks for your time, appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: All right, that's gonna do it for us here today

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Speaker 5: on Thursday. We're here for one more day and it's

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Speaker 5: kind of a big day.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: We got you know, quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers. I mean,

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Speaker 5: come on, let's let's go. If you're petering out at

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Speaker 5: the end of the week, this is just the position

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Speaker 5: groups that you need to get you back into it.

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Speaker 5: So plenty to digest tomorrow, especially with the wide receivers

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Speaker 5: and the running backs, which we've heard all week really deep,

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Speaker 5: really talented class.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see if the Patriots could tap that position

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Speaker 4: group as well. So stick with us. We'll be back

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Speaker 4: tomorrow with a full recap.