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Find out 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: how to protect at your child when you're out at 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: the mall or the store, or the grocery and the 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: parking lot at home. Find out about protection regarding babysitters, 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: in daycare, even online. I'd rather have that any day 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: of the week than a plastic toy or god forbid, 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: a toy gun. Join Justice Nation, go to crime Stops 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: here dot com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Christina Dickerson 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: has been searching for her son Christopher for over a 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: month now. Family members last saw him on January twentieth. 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: He was set to testify at his own attempted murder 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: trial at the end of the month. Chris's mother says 28 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: he was jumped by a man who told him not 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: to testify at the trial. She believes the man was 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: an accomplice of Andrew Cecil, the man who allegedly stabbed 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: Chris in May of last year. At stabbing so life threatening, 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Chris was airlifted to Toledo Pro Medical Hospital. In the meantime, 33 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: Chris's mother doesn't know whether her son is in hiding 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: or in danger. I am hoping that Chris' stree reaches 35 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: somebody that knows something. Somebody has to I don't care 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: if it's good or bad at this point, I need 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: to know. If you have any information about Chris or 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: his disappearance, contact Lunaway County Crime Stoppers. You are hearing 39 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: our friend joining us from wto LTV. That's ariel On. 40 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Stop reporting. Mother's father's out there listening now. Can you 41 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: imagine if your son suddenly just disappears. You know, this morning, 42 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: when I took the twins to school, I watched them 43 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: walk inside. What if I went back and they were 44 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. What if they just seemingly vanished 45 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. What does a parent do? 46 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: Do you run up and down the streets screaming at 47 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: the top of your lungs. Do you call police? Do 48 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: you put up flush? What do you do? And then 49 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: when you come home at night and the house is empty, 50 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: and you don't get that text or that phone call, 51 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: and they're not at the table, what do you do? 52 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: That is what the mother of Christopher Dickerson. The hell 53 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: she's been in the search for Christopher in the last 54 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: hours has come to an end. And today I ask 55 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: you not to help me find Christopher Dickinson, but to 56 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: help me find who murdered Christopher Dickerson. Joining me right 57 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: now is Christopher Dickerson's mother, Trissina, Miss Dickerson. Thank you 58 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: for being with us, and thank you so much for 59 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: the help. I'm just sick. I'm sick when we first 60 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: learned about Christopher's case because you called our hot nine 61 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: zero nine four nine two seven left us messages. I 62 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: didn't even know about it. I hadn't seen it in 63 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: the news. I hadn't seen it in any of my 64 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: criminal investigations or research. I'm just wondering what your life 65 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: has been like since he went missing. Tell me about 66 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: the day he went missing, and then I'll work up 67 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: to what we are asking our listeners to do. Now, 68 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: tell me about the Daytressina, he disappeared. Okay, So the 69 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: last day that I spoke was Chris was on the 70 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: twentieth of January. He had facetlamed me on Facebook and 71 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: he I, I didn't you know it? He told me? 72 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: He said, Mom, he says I have something to tell you. 73 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: He says, don't. He says, I can't tell you where 74 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm at. He said, because I'm scared. He said that 75 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: I was jumped last night by a few people, and 76 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: he said I was beating up pretty badly. And he 77 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: sent me two pictures of his face was all bloody 78 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: and he had had two gases in his cheek. They 79 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: needed medical attention, and I told him, I said, Chris, 80 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: You've got to go to the hospital. He said, Mom, 81 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: I can't. He said, they'll call the police and he says, 82 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't want I don't, I don't want to do this. 83 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: He says, I can't, I can't make a report. And 84 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: I begged him, please, Chris, I said, didn't let me 85 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: come and get you. Let me, you know, let me 86 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: bring you home, let me do something. And he said, Mom, 87 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: I can't, he said, he said, I don't, I don't want. 88 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: I don't want you to be in danger, and he um. 89 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: He sent me those pictures and he uh. We we 90 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: had talked for a while, and of course I continued 91 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: to try to get him to tell me where he 92 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: was at. And eventually, of course, like the internet always does, 93 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, I ended up losing him. And he messaged 94 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: back to me. He said, he said, Mama, he said, 95 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he said, but I was so stressed. And 96 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: that was the last thing I seemed from me on 97 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: Facebook was that day. He did post. He did post 98 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: something on his Facebook on the twenty first, but that 99 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: was that was the last thing. I'm just listening to 100 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: the heartbreak in your voice, and it's it's hard for 101 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: me to hear. But you know, miss Dickerson Tresina, if 102 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: I may call you, that I learned early on as 103 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: a felony prosecutor, and this was after the murder of 104 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: my fiancee, that as much as I didn't like the facts, 105 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: as much as I didn't like recounting them to a 106 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: jury out loud, or saying the things that I had 107 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: seen or learned in an investigation, or as much as hurt, 108 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: I'd rather know the truth. I'd rather know every single 109 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: detail because then I can work with that, I can 110 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: do something with that, or at least I can go 111 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: down trying. And that's what we're going to do today, 112 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: Miss Dickerson. I want to know every single fact. With 113 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: me here in the studio, my partner in crime, Jackie Howard, 114 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: my co conspirator joining me from La Alan Duke. Also 115 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: with me, psychologist Karen Stark you can find her at 116 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: karen dot com. Veteran trial lawyer Kathleen Murphy, family and 117 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: divorce lawyer Stephen Lampley, renowned detective joining us Tresina. I 118 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: understand that someone had tried to hurt your son, someone 119 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: had tried to kill him, and he of course went 120 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: to police. He told them everything, and he was set 121 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: to be a star witness in the trial because he, 122 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: unlike so many others, lived to tell the tell do 123 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: you think that had anything to do with the discovery 124 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: of his body in the last hours? Absolutely? Tell me. 125 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: He was set to testify against Andrew Cecil. Is that correct? Yes? Now, 126 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: at the time he was jumped and beaten up and 127 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: threatened and ordered not to testify. Was Andrew Cecil behind 128 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: bars at that, Jane? Yes, he was. Are you telling 129 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: me he no longer? Is? No, he's out. He was 130 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: released on the thirty first of January. They why, well, 131 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: they had to postpone his trial due to we had 132 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: like negative forty degree weather up here, and so they 133 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: closed the courthouse down for two days and that was up. 134 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: So why should he get out because of a snow day? Yes, well, 135 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand what they let a guy charged with 136 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: the tempted murder out because of the weather. Yes, and 137 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: this man was on a moment dollar bond. I don't 138 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: understand that. Yes, So after he was let out, is 139 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: that when your son was killed? We don't lull. We 140 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: don't rull the day. Of course, you know they can't. 141 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: They have a ten point or to say of when 142 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: Chris went deceased. We don't know that information yet. A 143 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: mother in Michigan, pleading for her son's safe return. This 144 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: takes me back to when I had breast cancer five 145 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: years ago, and it's that fear of the unknown that 146 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: is the most horrific fear you can have. That's Tresina 147 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: Dickerson talking with WTOLTV in Toledo. Her son, Christopher, had 148 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: been missing for over a month. Family members last saw 149 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: him on January twentieth. He was staying at the Oaks 150 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: of Adrian apartments in Adrian, Michigan. He was set to 151 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: testify at his own attempted murder trial at the end 152 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: of January. Just a day before he went missing, he 153 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: sent a picture of himself to his mom. In the photo, 154 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: he's bruised and bloodied. It was obvious that he had 155 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: been attacked. I'm just going from a mother's perspective, and 156 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: this is not a Christopher Dickerson was the victim of 157 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: a stabbing May first, twenty eighteen, at a residence in Adrian, Michigan. 158 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: He testified May thirtieth and a preliminary examination in Lenoway 159 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: County District Court about the incident in which he fought 160 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: with a man who came to the residence of a 161 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: woman Dickerson was visiting. Dickerson suffered a stab wound to 162 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: the back, ran from the residence and called nine to 163 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: one one. He was treated and released that day from 164 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: a Toledo hospital. Andrew Cecil was charged with assault with 165 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: intent to murder and first degree home invasion. He was 166 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: scheduled to go to trial January twenty ninth in Lenoway 167 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: County Circuit Court, but it was postponed when Circuit court 168 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: was closed due to extremely cold weather. At some point, 169 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: Cecil was released after having been held in the Lenoway 170 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: County jail on a one million dollar bond. I don't 171 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: understand why he was released. And now Christopher Dickerson is dead. 172 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: His body has been found. His mother, Rusina with me 173 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: now mounted an all out search for her son, and 174 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: now for the search to come to an end with 175 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: the discovery of his body. And we know this thug 176 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: on a million dollar bond gets let loose and the 177 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: family wasn't even told he was released. Karen Stark Psychologists 178 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: joining me from Manhattan this morning. You can find her 179 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com. Karen, I was at Court 180 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: TV as you well recall, and went down to my office. 181 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: I remember it like yesterday, flipped on my computer and 182 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: I had an email from a viewer to tell me 183 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: my fiance's killer had been paroled. Nobody told me. I 184 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: found out the hard way. This family did not know 185 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: that this thug Andrew Cecil, who was charged in the 186 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: stabbing of Christopher Dickerson, well, nobody even told him he 187 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: was out. Karen. Is such a betrayal. It's unacceptable, Nancy, 188 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: and so terrible for the family, just as it was 189 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: for you, because I just don't understand why authorities would 190 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: do that. People need to know, We have a need 191 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: to understand not just what happened to our loved ones, 192 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: but if the person who perpetrated the crimes being released. 193 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: Just for your wellbeing, for your knowledge, for your idea 194 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: for having to survive, you need to know these things 195 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: and be aware. And this is an awful situation. I 196 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: feel terrible for the family, just terrible. I'm looking at 197 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: this guy's mugshot and he looks so angry and so 198 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he looks as if he could just come 199 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: through the camera and strangle anybody that he comes upon. 200 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: To testing the Dickerson. Please tell me your theory about 201 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: what happened and I'm going to start with what you 202 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: did to find your son Christopher? Okay, Um, Well, that 203 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: first week I wasn't concerned. I was concerned, but I was. 204 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: It was a little easier because I thought, well, you know, 205 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: maybe Chris was just landlaw. Maybe he doesn't you know, 206 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: isn't going to testify, and he just doesn't want, you know, 207 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: anybody to know where he's at because he didn't want 208 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: to testify. But when the thirty first came, and then 209 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: the first and then the second, and there was no, no, 210 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: nothing coming from Chris and there was no activity on 211 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: his Facebook, I my worries started to grow, and I 212 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: reached out to one of the detectives that was working 213 00:14:54,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: on the case, the stabbing case, and I left the message. 214 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: I didn't get a return phone call, so I waited 215 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: a few more days and then I left another message. 216 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Still nothing. Well about two weeks after the first message, 217 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: he called me back and I explained to him at 218 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: that time, I haven't seen Chris. Everybody I talked to 219 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: has not talked to Chris. What do I do? He 220 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: of course said that you know, he was real busy, 221 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: and you know, he was just getting back to returning 222 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: his messages and that he had a couple of avenues 223 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: he wanted to check into about Chris and to hold 224 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: off on the missing person, and you know, he would 225 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: get back with me. Well, of course I didn't get 226 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: any any kind of response back. So on the eighteenth, 227 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: something just kept telling me, I need, I'm not going 228 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: to wait anymore. I have to file this missing person 229 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: because it is right now Chris. Chris isn't even listen 230 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: to this missing So I contacted the Sheriff's department on 231 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: the eighteenth and they came out and filed a missing 232 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: person and I explained to him at that time about 233 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: mbing Jump and I gave them the pictures and explained 234 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: to them, you know, about this trial and everything. And 235 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: they told me that they would open a missing person's 236 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: and you know, they would check into anything, you know, 237 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: any kind of leaves that they had, but at that time, 238 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: they he didn't feel that, you know, that they had 239 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: a lot to go on, and uh, that was kind 240 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: of it for that And then of course I jumped 241 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: on Facebook started posting, you know, Puss's picture and a 242 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: little bit of this story and and you know, begging 243 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: for anybody, you know, any information, anything, and then I 244 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: contacted Channel of News and Toledo and they came up 245 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: and did a story. I'm Chris and we were we 246 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: were actually in the process of setting up a search 247 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: just so that we could go out, so he felt 248 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: like we were doing something on Saturday. Um when when 249 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: the deputy in the victim's right, you know, Kathleen Murphy, 250 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: North Carolina family and divorce lawyer to hear Rosina Spa 251 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: is so upsetting and hold on, Alan, do you have 252 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: an excellent observation regarding the tattoo. I'd like to hear 253 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: what Kathleen and Stephen Lampley think about that. Go ahead, Alan. 254 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: If you look at Cecil's mug shot, you see the 255 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: tattoo on the neck. It says Ita, which is the 256 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: last part of Tabitha. Tabitha Rose White Eagle, a twenty 257 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: five year old woman, is in a sense a code 258 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: defendant with Cecil because she was the woman who Chris 259 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: was visiting on May first in Adrian when this initial 260 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: attack happened. And she has been charged because you see 261 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: her mug shot too. She's charged with being an accessory 262 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: after the fact to a felony in lying to a 263 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: police officer in a violent crime investigation. So that's how 264 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: passionate Cecil was about Tabitha. He had her name on 265 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: his neck tattooed. You know, I want to hear what 266 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: you think about that, Kathleen Murphy. That's no coincidence. That 267 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: is not a coincidence. And he was at this one 268 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: woman's home and as a result of being at the home, 269 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: he's now dead, in my opinion, and I think that 270 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: they are co conspirators for a reason. I am appalled 271 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: that he was out and this mother was not notified, 272 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: and that Chris was not notified. I'm appalled, Nancy. To 273 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, high profile detective. Stephen, I can't believe. Number one, 274 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: they let this guy, Andrew Cecil out and now Christopher 275 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: Dickerson ends up dead. That's no coincidence. And Alan Duke, 276 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: who's sitting in the studio in la can see the connection, 277 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, and he's a thousand miles away plus, 278 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: So can't the cops see that the tattoo on the 279 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: guy's neck is the same woman Dickerson's visiting. They can't 280 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: piece that together, Nancy, I would like to think so, 281 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: just like you said, it's it's there. It's pretty obvious 282 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: to anyone. And then back to the release of the 283 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: of the suspect or the person of interest or the defendant, 284 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him in this case. There 285 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: have been times when I was a detective that I 286 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: would we would arrest a defendant, a suspect place of 287 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: the jail, and we would not know, Nancy that this 288 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: person had been released, so maybe two or three days later. 289 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: It sometimes it happens, and it despite to the police's 290 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: best efforts. It was the jail. It was the jail system. 291 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy, this Andrew Cecil, was charged with 292 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: attempted murder of Christopher Dickerson. He gets out and now 293 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: we find Dickerson's body. I mean, what more does a 294 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: mother have to do? Lay on the steps of the 295 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: courthouse and beg crime stories with Nancy Grace. A Michigan 296 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: man reported missing last week has been found dead in 297 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: Medina Township, the victim of an apparent homicide. Detectives from 298 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: the Lenaway County Sheriff's Office and Adrian Police Apartment we're 299 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: following leads from a missing person report about Christopher Dickerson. 300 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Their investigation led them to a wooded area where they 301 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: found Dickerson's body. A Michigan State Police crime lab was 302 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: called to the scene, as were emergency personnel from nearby 303 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: Marincy and Waldron. Dickerson was reported missing February eighteenth after 304 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: family members became concerned after not seeing any posts on 305 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: his Facebook page or having any contact with him since 306 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: January twentieth. Joining me right now is just sing A Dickerson, 307 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: mother of Christopher Dickerson, Miss Dickerson, I know that you 308 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: seem to blame yourself because you tried so hard to 309 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: get him to come home, but he had been beaten, jumped, 310 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: and it's all because no one wanted him to be 311 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: a witness in this case. He was not getting any 312 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: sort of protection at all. And I understand all witnesses 313 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: can't have protection, but then to let the guy out 314 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: that's charged in his tempted murder. I know that you 315 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: are torturing yourself because he was so scared he didn't 316 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: want to come home and lead the thugs to your place. 317 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: I remember you told me, he said, Mom, you don't 318 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: understand I can't come home, and you wish to this 319 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: day you could have made him come home that night. 320 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: Why Miss Dickerson. Why what difference would that have made 321 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: in your mind? Because I feel like I couldn't protect him. 322 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: I felt if I had him home, you know, his 323 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: my baby, I could have protected him somehow. Tell me this, 324 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: miss Dickerson, who was the last person to see him. 325 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: We don't know that. It's like everybody I talked to, 326 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: they it's like nobody wants to be that last person 327 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: that saw him. They just come up with things like, 328 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 1: you know, well, I've seen him right after he got jumped, 329 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: or I see him right before. You know, just nobody. 330 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: I can't find anybody that's seen him after I spoke 331 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: with What we know is this her son, Christopher Dickerson's 332 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: body was found in a wooded area. It is a 333 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: wooded area I believe there in Medina Township in Michigan. 334 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: The Tegas don't know how long he had been there 335 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: or the cause of death. To Chrisina Dickerson, I assume 336 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: the medical examiner is examining his body. When do you 337 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: expect to learn the cause of death? I don't the 338 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: way that they found it, it's going to be a 339 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: long time. They As of the right now, they still 340 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: have not released my son's body. They said probably not 341 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: till Thursday or Friday. So I can't even really plan 342 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: as you alerts right now to Alan, do you joining us? Alan? 343 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: Hearing Tressina and so much pain. I just I'm desperately 344 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: thinking of something we can do to help her. Alan. 345 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: You have been in touch with authorities, would they speak 346 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: to you? Well, we called the Lenawee County Sheriff in 347 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: Michigan for information, but they declined to comment because they 348 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: said it's an ongoing investigation. And also understand they're not 349 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: really telling the family a whole lot right now. They're 350 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: keeping their cards very close to their vest. Guys, there 351 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: is a link to a go fundi page that was 352 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: set up in Chris's honor. Just go to go fund 353 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: me and put in his name Chris Dickerson. Hr I 354 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: s Dickerson to Stephen Lampley, renowned detective. What de cops 355 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: need to be doing right now? So they need to 356 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: be looking at that obviously, the suspects Segel and it's 357 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: my understanding for what I heard from the mother there 358 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: that there were several people involved in the assault of 359 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: her son, So there are people they need to be 360 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: talking to. Obviously. Cecil is my prime person that I 361 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: would want to be talking to. Of course the evidence 362 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: coming back from the medical examiner, but at the police 363 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: department level right now, they need to be talking to 364 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: persons of interest. Now. This is my understanding that he 365 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: is out on the lamb Jasina Dickerson. Has he been 366 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: brought in for questioning If cops even found Andrew Cecil yet, 367 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: that is my biggest fear right now. I don't even 368 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: know if they know his wirebouts. They have not set 369 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: a word. As a matter of fact, when I told 370 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: when I talked with the detectives on Sunday, they did 371 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: not know this man was out of jail. I had 372 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: to tell them because I heard through the court where 373 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 1: I called the victims people when Chris was missing and 374 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: spoke with them. That's how I learned that the Cecil 375 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: was out of jail. When I spoke with the detectives 376 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: on Sunday, they when I brought up Cecil being out 377 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: of jail, they both looked in me like I slapped them, 378 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: and they jumped on the phone to call the jail 379 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: to confirm that Cecil was out. The detectives didn't even know. 380 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: So how do you do an investigation and you don't 381 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: even know whether the prime suspect's whereabouts is. This is 382 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: what I know about Andrew Cecil. He is a white male, 383 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: brown hair, blue eyes, five to seven, one hundred and 384 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: forty pounds d OB seven one ninety one. I also 385 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: know this in his book ind he looks his mugshott. 386 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: He looks as mean as a snake. Tattoo lower left hand. 387 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: Only God can judge me. Well, you know what I 388 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: disagree Number two lower left vertebra Halley Halley, as in 389 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: Halle's comment, h A I L E y okay helly 390 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: tattoo right wrist SaRenna s I R e n A 391 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: tattoo upper left arm cross. We know he has another 392 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: tattoo on his net with a name on it. M 393 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: sentence one leaving the scene of a crime two years 394 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: six months to fleeing a cop two years six months. 395 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: There's an impressive rap sheet that I won't bother reading. 396 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: But he was arrested and put in jail one million 397 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: dollar bond, and some let me just say, idiot, let 398 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: him go. Now we know that this young man, Christopher Dickerson, 399 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: is dead. Now, this is another interesting thing that I 400 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: learned from the Daily telegram. I know that these two. 401 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking at that tattoo on his neck right now. 402 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: What does the tattoo say, Tabatha? Okay, so he's got 403 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: the names of three women on tattooed on his body. 404 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: Two people were charging a stabbing may one. Okay, they continued, 405 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: They're not guilty, please, but this is what I know, 406 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: the two of them. And there's two a man and 407 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: a woman charged in that stabbing to Christopher's moms, Cena Dickerson, 408 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: who's the woman charged in the stabbing? This was the lady, 409 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: the girl that christ had went over to visit. Aha 410 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: Tabitha Rose White Eagle Andrew Aaron Cecil Tabitha Rose White Eagle, 411 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: both of Adrian were set to appear before the Judge 412 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: Circuit Judge Margaret No. He's charged with assault with intend 413 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: to commit murder and first degree home invasion, million dollar bond. 414 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: The public defender, John Glazer, says he wanted to quash 415 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: the home invasion charge. All right, fine, White Eagle. The 416 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: woman waved a Raymond. She had been charged with accessory 417 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: after the fact and lying to cops. She posted bond. 418 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: She got out on twenty five hundred dollars. The man wounded. 419 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: That would, of course be Christopher. Dickerson testified in a 420 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: preliminary hearing that he was visiting Tabitha White Eagle when 421 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: Cecil came to the residents and he was stabbed in 422 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: the bat Ran called nine one one. That's how this 423 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: whole thing went down. Cecil gets out of jail, and 424 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: now Dickerson is dead and we don't have answer and 425 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: there's no arrest. Christina Dickerson has been searching for her 426 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: son Christopher for over a month now. Family members last 427 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: saw him on January twentieth. He was set to testify 428 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: at his own attempted murder trial at the end of 429 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: the month. Chris's mother says he was jumped by a 430 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: man who told him not to testify at the trial. 431 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: She believes the man was an accomplice of Andrew Cecil, 432 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: the man who allegedly stabbed Chris in May of last year. 433 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: At stabbing so life threatening, Chris was airlifted to Toledo 434 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: Pomedical Hospital. In the meantime, Chris's mother doesn't know whether 435 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: her son is in hiding or in danger. I am 436 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: hoping that Chris the story reaches somebody that knows something, 437 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: somebody has to. I don't care if it's good or 438 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: bad at this point, I need to know. If you 439 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: have any information about Chris or his disappearance, contact Lunaway 440 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: County Crime Stoppers and Nazy Grays. This is Crime Stories. 441 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. We discover Christopher Dickerson 442 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: was missing because his mom, Tresina Dickerson, called us on 443 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: our tip line, our hot line nine zero nine four 444 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: nine two seven to four sixty three. Nine zero nine 445 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: four nine two seven four sixty three, and that equals 446 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: to nine zero nine four nine crime c R I 447 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: M E. I would not have even known about the 448 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: case had it not been for her calling our hotline, 449 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: the tip line five one seven two six six sixty 450 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: one sixty one five one seven two six six sixty 451 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: one sixty one. That's Lnouay County Crime Stoppers. If you 452 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: know what this guy is, Andrew cecil I guarantee you 453 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: who doesn't know where he is. That would be the 454 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: woman Tabitha White Eagle. And if you could see her 455 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: book in photo, she's posing like Kim Kardashian, you know, 456 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: like kind of poking her lips out in the trout pout. 457 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: I am so beside myself to Chrisina Dickerson, did your 458 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: son know her? It was his connection to this girl. Yes, 459 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: with my son Chris. Chris liked his women, and uh, 460 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know he of course I'm his mom. 461 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: He wouldn't go into detail about that, but I do 462 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: believe they had been friends. And from what he did 463 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: tell me, you know, she invited him over. Um, you 464 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: know he came over. He said they were, you know, 465 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: hanging out. And he said the next thing he knew 466 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: just Andrew Siecil King try windle not through the door, 467 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: came through a window with a knife in his hand. 468 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: It's just like wild animals. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family 469 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: divorced lawyer coming through the window with a knife in 470 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: your hand. I mean, what what where the wild wild West? 471 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: Who comes through a window with a knife in their 472 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: hand and stabs body? And this guy is out on 473 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: the loose and they've done nothing. And Nancy, all I 474 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: hear is that Chris was doing the right thing. He 475 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: called nine one one when he was stabbed. Rather than 476 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: trying to hide that he was doing anything wrong. He 477 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: communicated with the police officers. He worked with the prosecutor's 478 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: officer he was doing everything he should be doing to 479 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: protect himself, a bag off the street, to keep a 480 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: criminal off the street. And you know another thing to 481 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, psychologists joining me. You can find at Karen 482 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: Stark dot com. People think, oh, that could never happen 483 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: to me. You know that they aren't like me. They 484 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: live in x they didn't go to what grad school. 485 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. You know what. I was 486 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: just reading about a stabbing that occurred and one of 487 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: the most exclusive areas in Atlanta at the gate of 488 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: a fancy country club. They were having some kind of 489 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: a wedding, soarete and a couple came out to the 490 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: street at the gate of the fancy country club because 491 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: they called an uber, and some thug comes up tries 492 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: to steal their car keys and their wallet, and the 493 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: guy resisted and said no. They stabbed him dead. They 494 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: killed him right there at this you know, society studded 495 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: wedding with all these wealthy educated people in there. The 496 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: guy's dead. He leaves behind a wife and a baby, 497 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: a brand new baby that had just been born, so 498 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: new they couldn't come to the wedding event. It happens 499 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: across the board. I mean, Karen, can you hear this, mom, 500 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: Trocina Dickerson And people can sit back and say, oh, well, 501 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: blah blah. That makes you feel better because it makes 502 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: you think, oh, this isn't gonna happen to my family. 503 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: It can happen to your family. Here and start. That's 504 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: a part of life, Nancy. Anything could happen to anyone. 505 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: And I want to say something about this mother and 506 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: to missus Dickerson, Please don't blame yourself. It's such a 507 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: natural thing to do when you lose a child and 508 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: you feel like it was your job to protect them. 509 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: There was nothing that you could have done. Nothing. I 510 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: know that this is killing you in a heartbreaking but 511 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: you need to understand that you have nothing to feel 512 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: guilty about. I'm sure you are a wonderful much Tell me, Tressina, 513 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: your most vivid recollection of Christopher. Oh boy, where do 514 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: I start? Chris was so when Chris was around that 515 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: you could not help, but you have a smile on 516 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: your face. He if anybody was sad or down, oh 517 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: Chris wasn't having it. You know. He would bust out 518 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: singing dance and he did it didn't matter to him. 519 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: He would do whatever it took to make sure that 520 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: everybody was everybody was happy. That's all he wanted. He 521 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: loved his friends, Chris. He had almost two thousand friends 522 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: on his Facebook. Chris was so social. That's why it 523 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: scared me that nobody, you know, had seen him, because 524 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: he he had to be where everybody was at, you know, 525 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: he had to be the center. And he just oh, 526 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: I'm just going, oh god, oh oh, missus. Dickerson shurts 527 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: me so bad to hear you, Stephen Lampley, this is 528 00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: my fear. Um, if some idgit at the jail, it 529 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: by accident or on purpose, I don't know. Let him walk. 530 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: They still haven't brought him in, Stephen, And you know 531 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: he's at his same old haunts. Go to his mother's house, 532 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: go to his girlfriend's house, go to the same place 533 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: as he always hangs around. That's where he is. I've 534 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: gotten so many thugs out from under their mama's bed 535 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: and there they are up in their twenties and thirties 536 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: and forties. I can't even count them all on fingers 537 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: and toes. I personally have gone to get defendants back 538 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: to the jail when it was time for trial. Oh yes, 539 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: I have. Why are they not arresting this guy? I mean, 540 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: do I need to call them? Do I need to 541 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: go up there and look under his mommy's bed? Stephen Yancy, 542 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: I agree with you. This gentleman needs to be picked up. 543 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: He's obviously, in my opinion, a prime suspect, a prime 544 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: person of interest. And now I don't know where if 545 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: he did run. But you're right, most of these defendants, 546 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: most of this type of defendant, you're gonna find hanging 547 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: out with their mama, Nancy, You're gonna find them hanging 548 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: out with their friends. You're exactly right. If I was 549 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: a detective in the case, I'd be looking for Cecil 550 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: and I'd be looking for tabitha white eagle. All right, Okay, 551 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: right there, she knows something. She's charged with accessory after 552 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,439 Speaker 1: the fact. If I had to do it, I would 553 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: hold my nose and do it. But I cut her 554 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: a deal to get him. Oh yeah, what is happening 555 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: at the little Way County Sheriff's office? Who let this 556 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 1: thug out to start with? Now we've got a dead son. 557 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: If you have information five one seven two six six 558 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: six one six one and as I closed, let me 559 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: ask you this. If it was your son, wouldn't you 560 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: want someone to help you. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, 561 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: good bye friend,