WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 140

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<v Speaker 1>A Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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<v Speaker 2>you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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<v Speaker 2>of the week that just happened is here in one

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<v Speaker 2>listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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<v Speaker 2>you can make your own decisions. Welcome back to it

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<v Speaker 2>could happen here, a podcast that basically all of last

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<v Speaker 2>week is about the twenty twenty four Republican National Convention,

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<v Speaker 2>a four day period of time that I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>ever ended or ever really had a beginning. As of

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<v Speaker 2>right now, we are stuck in the hotel because what

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<v Speaker 2>we initially thought was a hack and may just have

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<v Speaker 2>been a fuck up pushing an update by cloud strike,

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<v Speaker 2>but by any measure of the word is like the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest computer disaster of mine modern times has stranded every

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<v Speaker 2>Republican in the country in the city of Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 3>With Yeah, we are trapped with every single Republican in Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin as we wait for airports like a Stephen kingne

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<v Speaker 3>it's feeling quite dystopian. We've already been dealing with a

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<v Speaker 3>great deal of like time dilation. Just this past week,

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<v Speaker 3>this week has felt it first just felt like a month,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it just felt like an eternity. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 3>we were just always reporting on the RNZ. This is

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<v Speaker 3>this is all we have ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single day of this was longer than my childhood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, I feel like all I've ever done is

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<v Speaker 3>a person is be someone who reports in the RNC.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just the entirety of my existence and life purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like that Star Trek episode where they have like

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<v Speaker 2>the fake casino because they found these aliens found a

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<v Speaker 2>stranded astronaut and to try to make him comfortable, like

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<v Speaker 2>recreated a dime store novel, and all of these fake

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<v Speaker 2>people have only ever lived in the casino, experiencing the

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<v Speaker 2>same day forever. That's us, that's us at the rn sight.

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<v Speaker 3>I was only created to report on the RNC.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I have a before? Did I have an after?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. Yeah. Anyway, so we're doing well, is the

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<v Speaker 2>short of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're mentally healthy and well and well suited to

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<v Speaker 3>handle this political task.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the big story, the one that's really worth

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<v Speaker 2>us talking about right now, is that last night you

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<v Speaker 2>and I went to see the Trump speech spectacular. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>every day of the convention, during the early part of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, you'll have some speeches, and you'll have even

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<v Speaker 2>some outside of the event. Different groups and organizations will

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<v Speaker 2>rent out hotel, ballrooms, conference rooms, they'll give speeches, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>do panels, there's workshops, and obviously inside the wire, so

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<v Speaker 2>to speak, you have different dignitaries, politicians, you know, Ted

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<v Speaker 2>Kruz will come by and I'll sit down to be

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed by a podcaster, a radio host. Rudy Giuliani's doing

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. You've got all these people who do

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<v Speaker 2>their shows live from the event and then in the

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<v Speaker 2>evenings usually starting around like five to seven and something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Yeah, you start having speeches, and part of

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<v Speaker 2>what you know, speeches at the RNC are it's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's a way to hype up the base. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the base. And one of the things I try to

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<v Speaker 2>get across to people I posted on day one while

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<v Speaker 2>there were some very dystopian shit coming out Marjorie Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Green speech and whatnot, how empty you know the stadium

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<v Speaker 2>was to be, like, look, there's not that many people here,

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<v Speaker 2>And someone was like, well, it's kind of dishonest to

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<v Speaker 2>say that, because this is an invite on the event

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<v Speaker 2>that you need credentials for. And well, that's my point though,

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<v Speaker 2>is like as crazy as a lot of this stuff is,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to get into a lot of the crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't also you don't want to discount it because

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<v Speaker 2>these people are very powerful and they can do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of damage, and they there's a very good chance

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to wind up with very close to total power.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're also not representative of like a massive chunk

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<v Speaker 2>of this country. Like these are the weirdest of the weird.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the high freaks of Republican party politics. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the nabobs and priests and shamans of their political class.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you shouldn't over extend the craziness to think that, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>every one of my neighbors who is a conservative is

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of person. Now, some of you do have

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors who are this kind of person.

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<v Speaker 3>So, and Trump's speech was certainly much more well attended

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<v Speaker 3>than any other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it was it was also a very different

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<v Speaker 2>vibe because all of those other nights, all of the speeches.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a big part of what this is for

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<v Speaker 2>the people who get speeches is like, we want to

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<v Speaker 2>give you a reward for being a good party soldier,

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<v Speaker 2>but no one wants to promise you a cabinet position

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<v Speaker 2>right now. You know, we can't get like, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you a speech at the RNC. You can lead,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can get on right before Tucker, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can come on right after Tucker or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>like that, you know, And it's kind of how you

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<v Speaker 2>it's one way to dole out favors, right, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>good for people's you know, if you're head up an organization,

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<v Speaker 2>it might get you some fundraising at any rate. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes you look more connected at something you brag about

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<v Speaker 2>to your friends. You get to go backstage and be

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<v Speaker 2>around the VIPs and whatnot, be a VIP yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>And that certainly the case for someone like the VEC, right,

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<v Speaker 3>someone who doesn't hold like that office, never has, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's trying to position himself as being, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>an active part of this political project act.

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin Graham, Billy Graham's killer who gave a speech. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not a guy who's you know, an elected leader, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's he's a guy you won on your side, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's give let's give him a nice position. We'll put

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<v Speaker 2>him right after whol Cogan.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I guess is you know that that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gets it why Thursday was so different from the other

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<v Speaker 2>nights because while the other Knights felt like a political convention,

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<v Speaker 2>because the Dims do the same thing, right like that

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<v Speaker 2>their speeches occupy roughly the same role in their party.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night felt like a concert. Last night was the

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<v Speaker 2>vibes of like a show. You are going to get

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<v Speaker 2>hyped up and see a show. People were static. There

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<v Speaker 2>was actually music acts like, not just the band that

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<v Speaker 2>plays in between speeches, but Kid Rock came out and

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<v Speaker 2>did a set.

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<v Speaker 3>It was all a big put on before Ormans, Yes

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<v Speaker 3>it was. It was in many cases well put on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was very competently stage managed. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>no denying that. We can talk about the content of

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<v Speaker 2>the speech, and I've seen a lot of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>same Sater who you know. I like, I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to shit, I'm not gonna shit on Sam or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw his take being like I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>this was kind of this seems like it's a weak speech.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not very coherent. You know, people in the audience

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<v Speaker 2>looked sleepy. That was not the vibe during Trump speech.

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<v Speaker 3>I see where he's coming from, because this was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the quieter Trump's speeches.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is quieter, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this this this was an intentional effort to

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<v Speaker 3>blend some of his more classic talking points with this

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<v Speaker 3>elder statesman kind of vibe and selectively utilizing the assassination

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<v Speaker 3>attempt to talk about both yourself as this like broader

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<v Speaker 3>political figure that that people should unite behind, because this

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<v Speaker 3>incident really shows how divided we are, and what we

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<v Speaker 3>really need to do to unite the country is stop

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<v Speaker 3>attacking Trump, and that's the only way to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So like this, this was all on purpose and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of using that more sympathetic unity messaging to squeeze in

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<v Speaker 3>all of his same extremely far right talking points, just

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<v Speaker 3>slipping in between calls for like unity and ending division

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<v Speaker 3>and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the fucking the boys are playing in women's

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<v Speaker 2>sports and.

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<v Speaker 3>The cannibal elector the late Gray.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a Hannibal But we should we're getting ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of ourselves. But I do want to just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>say upfront. My take differs from what I've seen from

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Cedar and what I've seen from a number of

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<v Speaker 2>folks who watched, you know, the closed circuit version of this.

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<v Speaker 2>The audience loved it. Yeah, like they loved it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can you can taste in the air the degree

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<v Speaker 2>to which they love Trump. This is like not if

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<v Speaker 2>you have not been to one of these rallies. And

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<v Speaker 2>even this is different because I've been to a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a regular Trump rally. This was different than that because

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<v Speaker 2>this is again like the most dedicated chunk of the base.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the very much a religious experience for these people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, it definitely had that spiritual vibe. So the

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<v Speaker 3>first speaker, we wanted to really get to in person

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<v Speaker 3>to hear talk with Tucker, and Tucker, you have a

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<v Speaker 3>very efficient speech. He did not read off a teleprompter.

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<v Speaker 3>He was at living the best speech at the convention.

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<v Speaker 3>He was he was, he was. He was a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good speaker. And I know we often will make fun

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<v Speaker 3>of kind of Tucker's mode of speaking on television, which

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<v Speaker 3>can come off as a little bit like disjointed and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of just like confused. You know, he has that

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<v Speaker 3>like resting confused look on his face. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>very good live performer. Yeah, this he gave a stronger

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<v Speaker 3>live performance than I think what a lot of his

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<v Speaker 3>televised performances come off at. He was.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave an eerdit and smooth summary of fascist ideology

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<v Speaker 2>of specifically what used to be called the Futor prinzip

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<v Speaker 2>or Fewer principle, which is this idea that came out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Nazi movement of a nation being embodied by

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<v Speaker 2>a man, and the man is accountable to the people,

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<v Speaker 2>not in a sense that we would consider like checks

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<v Speaker 2>and ballot and says, but in some deep spiritual connection

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<v Speaker 2>that they have. And Tucker very directly like like hearkened

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<v Speaker 2>to that. He made a comment about like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump talked to me and he was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I got shot, I expected to see the crowd running, screaming, stampeding, panicking,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one did. And Tucker was like, that's because

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<v Speaker 2>you're the leader, and the leader the people follow the leader,

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<v Speaker 2>and they you know, you didn't panic, so they won't panic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the most direct old style. This is nineteen twenties

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<v Speaker 2>Nazism stuff that Tucker is throwing out. And he he

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<v Speaker 2>discussed it in a way that was very smooth and

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<v Speaker 2>very palatable to American ears. And that was the most

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<v Speaker 2>chilling part of the night for me, because Trump's speech

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<v Speaker 2>was not a particularly I think back to twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>and I was I was at the R and C

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen. Trump's speech on the last night of

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<v Speaker 2>the R and C was his blood in the Street speech.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a he was angry, it was aggressive. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a violent speech, right, and there were there were moments,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly silence in his speech, but not much that was

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<v Speaker 2>not the overall vibe. That was not what he built towards.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the thing he ended on, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>never really a focus. But what Tucker was focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>was getting people on board the concept that they are

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<v Speaker 2>bonded to Trump in a spiritual sense and that the

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<v Speaker 2>nation is and that Trump is the leader, not by

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<v Speaker 2>dint of having been elected, but by dint of some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of psycha like psycho religious mystic bond.

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<v Speaker 3>Tucker was also the first guy I heard of the

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<v Speaker 3>convention to mention Antifa at all, first and only saying

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<v Speaker 3>Antifa is the Democrats owned militia, which is, you know

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<v Speaker 3>something that you would hear four years ago, and right

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<v Speaker 3>before Tucker's speech, I actually was talking with Robert being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I've not heard anyone mention INTIFA this entire week, and

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<v Speaker 3>like this was used to be such a big thing

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<v Speaker 3>in their political messaging, both like four years ago, two

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<v Speaker 3>years ago, and this week, it was just completely absent. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>it has been replaced by some of this like gender ideology, groomer,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of transpanic type stuff, but it is a noticeable

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<v Speaker 3>absence in the current talking points of the Republican Party

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<v Speaker 3>save for this one mentioned by Tucker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, during Trump's speech, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>recall him bringing up the radical left. He didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>He made a couple of joke and these those on

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<v Speaker 2>the two of the jokes that that got the best

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<v Speaker 2>crowd response from him is he would bring up Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>but they say, I'm not going to mention his name.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise I won't talk about him, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>that got a laugh every time that he did it,

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<v Speaker 2>which I counted twice. He did make one reference to

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<v Speaker 2>the shooter and said he tried to stop our movement. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>greatest movement in the history of the country. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was interesting to me. I think that he was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of playing easing off the gas on that one,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's still so much that's uncertain about the shooter

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<v Speaker 2>and his motives. I went to work out today because

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<v Speaker 2>the morning after convention, that's kind of how I purged

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<v Speaker 2>the hangover from my body. And I was watching Fox

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<v Speaker 2>News on the TV in the gym, And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>watch television news much because I'm a person who has

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<v Speaker 2>to do things, but it is useful sometimes because it

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<v Speaker 2>connects you with how an unfortunate number of people in

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<v Speaker 2>this country do and take their news. And this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reports was about the shooter and how

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI had found that he had three encrypted accounts

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<v Speaker 2>offshore overseas that they're trying to break into. They are

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<v Speaker 2>referring to I think discord kind of accounts and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that, like he might have like an.

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<v Speaker 3>We have like a WhatsApp, he might have WhatsApp inn account.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an encrypted email possibly. Yeah, the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>like I have, most people have. But they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>so this makes it even more likely that Iran is involved.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's some sort of a rant because like

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<v Speaker 2>overseas that means Iran oh man, there's lots of companies

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<v Speaker 2>that have encrypted apps that aren't based in the we

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<v Speaker 2>I used to shill for a VPN that was based

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<v Speaker 2>I think Nord is based in Switzerland. Maybe I'm wrong

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<v Speaker 2>about that, but like some of the VPNs are based

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<v Speaker 2>in Switzerland and like these are not. It's not that

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<v Speaker 2>it's overseas. Does not mean there's any tie to anything

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<v Speaker 2>other than this kid, like a lot of people had,

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<v Speaker 2>was used in encrypted messaging platforms. Obviously, I'm interested, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if the FBI, if or when they get into that stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>what they find. But I don't think they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>find that. The fucking Ayatola gave this guy a five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars AR fifteen and fifty rounds of ammunition.

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<v Speaker 3>That is certainly doubtful. I mean, yeah, I think Tu

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<v Speaker 3>Tucker had some of the best audience reactions since Marjor

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor Green's speech. He called jd Vance a friend said

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<v Speaker 3>that Advance's politics, They're closer to the average Trump voter

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<v Speaker 3>than anyone else in Washington. And yeah, just an overall

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<v Speaker 3>very very polished speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should probably do an ad break now, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>we should. We're back so after Tucker. We had a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of other people come on. There was a woman

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<v Speaker 2>who worked for an education a conservative education political activist group,

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<v Speaker 2>who her whole thing was, you know, I worked in

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<v Speaker 2>prisons for a while and then I switched over to

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<v Speaker 2>working in schools. And the thing that shocked me is

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<v Speaker 2>our schools are so much more of our schools are

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<v Speaker 2>like prisons, which I was like, well, actually, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to be said about the way in with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the same technology, right, yes, no, this is there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to do. And then she was like, because

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<v Speaker 2>children are much more violent than convicted felons, and like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what she was saying is that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>schools are completely out of control. And obviously, in the

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<v Speaker 2>wake of the height of the COVID pandemic and the lockdown,

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<v Speaker 2>school violence did soar. It's been coming back down. Overall,

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<v Speaker 2>schools have been getting less violent in every single way

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<v Speaker 2>but shootings for twenty straight years. And that is that

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<v Speaker 2>is the case now, like under in Joe Biden's America, schools,

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<v Speaker 2>like violence that is not related to shootings is going down.

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<v Speaker 2>But what she was saying is that we need to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to expel and suspend kids, particularly, suspend kids

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<v Speaker 2>more often for bad behavior. There is actually quite a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of data that shows that when you suspend children,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes them more likely to offend and disrupt class

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<v Speaker 2>in the future, Like it increases the problems that you

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<v Speaker 2>are supposed to be stopping. Like most conservative measures that

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of like punitive in nature, it doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>do the trick. I don't know why I'm arguing with

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<v Speaker 2>this lady, but it is important that that's a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of how they're pitching what ultimately is a plan

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<v Speaker 2>to win the Department of Education to parents is like,

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<v Speaker 2>your schools are so dangerous for your kid, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to have a voucher to send them

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<v Speaker 2>to a private school. And we need to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to kick these underperforming black students out of schools in

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<v Speaker 2>order to make them safer for everybody, right, and shuffle

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<v Speaker 2>them off into the car serial system.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. This whole speech was kind of a coded way

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<v Speaker 3>of talking about like urban crime. She blamed this problem

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<v Speaker 3>on an Obama Biden policy to limit suspension rates. Whe

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<v Speaker 3>Trump undid and yeah, said that the solution is both

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<v Speaker 3>more suspensions and more school resource officers, which a Kido

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<v Speaker 3>Institute says actually increases the number of Island instants in schools.

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<v Speaker 3>So but again, of course they're going to call for

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<v Speaker 3>more police. This is the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't know why we even bother like fact checking.

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<v Speaker 2>This is important because I care, like in you care,

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<v Speaker 2>and but like our audience knows, the lady that gets

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<v Speaker 2>up to talk about school policy at the R and

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<v Speaker 2>C is not going to be bringing out good policy.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is just how everything works. Like this just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of underlines the alternate world that is formed in

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<v Speaker 3>places like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you can't you can't fight these people with facts.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the mistake liberals always make. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if we can just out argue them, if we can

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<v Speaker 2>get them, get them in front of the American people

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<v Speaker 2>and see how bankrupt their ideas are. And that's not

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<v Speaker 2>how you do it. Now. That's not to say that

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't get out and engage with them, because what

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<v Speaker 2>does work is showing the American people reminding them these

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<v Speaker 2>are freaks. These people are weird. These people are off putting,

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<v Speaker 2>These people are scary, and you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>around them, and by god, you don't want them with

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<v Speaker 2>their finger on the button, Like I do think that consistently.

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<v Speaker 3>Works, and unfortunately that freaks nature can sometimes help them,

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<v Speaker 3>like when you pull out hul cogd onto stage waving

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<v Speaker 3>an American flag, calling Trump his hero and his gladiator.

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<v Speaker 2>And talking about how, yeah, all of America are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the Trump bites, that's what they're gonna call him,

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<v Speaker 2>which apparently he used to do with nWo back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, back in his glory day he got he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't stop himself from talking about beating Andrea the Giant

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<v Speaker 2>at WrestleMania. I think it was like nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>He made two different Andre the Giant references, both of

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<v Speaker 2>which were very mean. To Andre the Giant, who I wish,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Andre, No, the wrong one died.

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<v Speaker 3>Al Cogan compared the energy of the RNC to a

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<v Speaker 3>WWE match, which he is not was not wrong, It's

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<v Speaker 3>very similar. Look, I'm not gonna like hull Cogan understands

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<v Speaker 3>this crowd, oh more than almost more than maybe any

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<v Speaker 3>other actual speaker. Yeah, like like Tucker kind of understands them,

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<v Speaker 3>but but hull Cogan even more so.

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<v Speaker 2>They loved him. Yeah when he ripped his shirt off.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Tank top underneath.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the best moment of the RNC. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the moment where I was like, all right, fuck it.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that he usually stays out of politics, but

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<v Speaker 3>after what happened on Saturday, he could no longer stay silent,

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<v Speaker 3>and then spend you know, the rest of the speech

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<v Speaker 3>just praising Trump, saying how tough he is, saying that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he's survived all these court cases, these investigations, impeachments,

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<v Speaker 3>and we need a tough man to take on like politicians,

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<v Speaker 3>criminals and drug dealers. And no, it was It was

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<v Speaker 3>a in a week full of kind of surreal moments

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<v Speaker 3>where you're seeing these people that you only interact with

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<v Speaker 3>on a screen. H you just see them walk past you,

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<v Speaker 3>like all the time every day. This was certainly one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most surreal men.

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<v Speaker 2>And Cawthorne nearly hit me with his wheelchair. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not the only one I talked to with that story.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a little reckless, So I'm gonna be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he thought you were a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he thought it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that we saw two people, two Republicans at

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<v Speaker 2>this convention, both of whom have a tragic tree story.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm talking about Greg Abbott.

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<v Speaker 3>They made the kind of baffling decision on the schedule

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<v Speaker 3>to put Franklin Graham after Hulk Hogan.

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<v Speaker 2>Not not nice to Franklin Graham, to be honest, No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's he did the thing that like usually gets

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<v Speaker 2>a good reaction, which is the prayer. Right He's there

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<v Speaker 2>to do the prayer, and this is a good crowd

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<v Speaker 2>for a prayer, right, Like, that's not a that's not

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<v Speaker 2>like a lame thing to these people. They love doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>But no one's heart was fully into the prayer after Hulk, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't, you can't get the people. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a tough come down from Hulk Hogan ripped his shirt

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<v Speaker 2>off on stage too. Now let's bow our heads and

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<v Speaker 2>thank God.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you didn't grow up iny Minchelle Circles of

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<v Speaker 3>Franklin Graham is the son of Billy Graham, possibly the

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<v Speaker 3>most famous pastor in American history, at least in the

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<v Speaker 3>past one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, since sinners in the hands of an angry God,

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<v Speaker 2>like the most popular man of faith in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And he closed his prayer by saying, all authority comes

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<v Speaker 3>from you, speaking of God, and we ask if it

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<v Speaker 3>be thy will that you will make America great once again.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a wonderful, a wonderful Christian message.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh grand So that was nice, and Eric Trump

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<v Speaker 2>gave a very Uh he tried his best, which is

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<v Speaker 2>basically what Trump said. Again, you Hulk Hogan has just

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<v Speaker 2>been on, Trump is about to be on. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the last night of the RNC, and everyone is absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>certain of victory. So as a speaker tonight, you couldn't

0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.200
<v Speaker 2>be more teed up for a good reaction. And he

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<v Speaker 2>could barely get laughs, he could barely get cheers. Like

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<v Speaker 2>even when he did the anti trans stuff, it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get it got a muted reaction, not because people aren't bicketed,

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<v Speaker 2>because they loved it when Marjorie Taylor Green did the

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<v Speaker 2>say they loved it when Trump did. Eric Trump just

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<v Speaker 2>sucks yeah at speaking, probably at everything, but he did

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<v Speaker 2>not get a reaction. I cannot overemphasize to you how

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<v Speaker 2>little this crowd wanted to listen to Eric.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I mean he shout it out. Monster Liberty

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<v Speaker 3>said that the Trump admin will fight against brainwashing, and

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<v Speaker 3>schools will fight against homeless people, specifically taking resources from

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<v Speaker 3>veterans and of course trans people in sports.

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<v Speaker 2>He kept bringing up Ukraine to stealing resources from Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like the most brought up Ukraine in a

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<v Speaker 2>derogatory sense, more than I think any other single speaker

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<v Speaker 2>at the convention, which is interesting because his dad took

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<v Speaker 2>even a bit of a different tact with that. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I found that interesting. But I did not find his

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<v Speaker 2>speech interesting because he is a bad speaker.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The only line I found interesting is when he was

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<v Speaker 3>talking about how all of Donald Trump's political enemies aren't

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<v Speaker 3>just happy going after him, but also going to be

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<v Speaker 3>going after every Republican. And he said the greatest retribution

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<v Speaker 3>will be our success. Yeah, and they've been using network

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<v Speaker 3>a lot this year, retribution retribution.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, he did kind of in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>getted a little bit of applause. That's it was like

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth or sixth best standing ovation of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, at his best, was never able to really rile.

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<v Speaker 3>Them up, especially when he's talking about assassination attempt. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd chounting fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what got them back on board and interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>They loved talk about that, I think in part because

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<v Speaker 2>it had been so absent earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was talking about way more today than basically

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<v Speaker 3>all the other days of the week combined.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and that makes sense. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>the day that Trump came out to speak, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what we're going to talk about now or

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:43.919
<v Speaker 3>not talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About assassinating your thirst with hopefully a soda company advertising

0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 2>on the podcast. Otherwise this ad segue is not going

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:53.600
<v Speaker 2>to make much sense.

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<v Speaker 3>All right. Time for Donald Trump himself, he's coming out.

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.360
<v Speaker 3>They they they set this stage, they got.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything to be an American.

0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 3>And then they announced Kid.

0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Rock, Oh my god, and he comes out and the

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<v Speaker 2>whole stage is wreathed in massive screens, like dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>feet tall, and they all are portraying fire and American.

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.119
<v Speaker 3>Flag, American flags that look kind of like they're on

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:34.119
<v Speaker 3>fire burning.

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Kid Rock comes out and does a rap set to

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 2>burning American flags surrounding him.

0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Just it was kind of just a fascinating image for

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<v Speaker 3>the RNC.

0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.399
<v Speaker 2>The refrain is they call me Cowboy. He said that

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 2>like forty times, and he just kept going Trump, Trump, Trump, Fight, Fight, Fight, And.

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 3>They loved it. They loved it. Was It was very

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.920
<v Speaker 3>high energy. It was it was a concert. Everyone everyone,

0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 3>everyone had a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it got a good reaction. People were hyped up.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the loudest, stupidest thing I have ever seen

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 2>in my life, but it got a really good reaction.

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.359
<v Speaker 2>People loved kid Rock coming out. It's interesting to me

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 2>that they chose to have kid Rock basically lead directly

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to the president rather than than the Hulkster. But I

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know. If I were if I had been setting

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 2>this up, I would have done Franklin Graham, school Lady,

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Eric Trump, all the weak ones up first, and then

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 2>probably Tucker the Hulkster, Kid Rock, you know.

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the NSC should really hire you to man their schedule.

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm available, guys.

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 3>So after we all kid rocked out, technically, Dana White

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 3>gave the introduction or Dana White.

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they bring in Dana White, who has who is

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the UFC CEO. Yeah, who is also on video hitting

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 2>his wife in the face. This is not a debatable,

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.360
<v Speaker 2>he said. She said, he is on video. You can

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 2>watch it.

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And he gave a very very very typical strength

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 3>and security speech to introduced Trump, who emerged from behind

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 3>one of the big the big screens.

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, proud to be an American plays and like the

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 2>entire crowd stands up and they're all singing along to

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Proud to Be an American. They love that song.

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:23.879
<v Speaker 3>He'd started his speech, and one of the interesting things

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 3>is that he said that he's going to tell the

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 3>story of what happened at the assassination attempt here right now,

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 3>but won't tell it ever again because it's too painful

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 3>to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll be interested to see how often he does,

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.199
<v Speaker 2>because it is like just based on his body language,

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 2>because he's been out every night but not saying anything,

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.360
<v Speaker 2>and he does has looked a bit different, and I'm

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:46.679
<v Speaker 2>not going to do the whole thing. Some of the

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 2>fucking you had some like Politico being like, it's a

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 2>new Trump, He's become a statesman. They definitely that's what

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 2>the RNC is trying to sell you on. That's nonsense.

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 2>But he has changed in the way that like you

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 2>would be if you were shot in the head and survived,

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, like anyone is go like, he's not a robot, right,

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Like anyone is going to be affected by that. And

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 2>he might not have been lying. He might just have

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 2>been like, look, I have to talk about this once.

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I really don't want to keep talking about this because

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 2>it's fucked up.

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean one of the parts actually felt genuine. Were

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 3>certain sections of this where he was like saying like,

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm I was not supposed to be here tonight,

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 3>and the crowd was like, yes you are.

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was like no, no, no, really close.

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.199
<v Speaker 3>You know, he was thanking God. I don't know how

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:35.639
<v Speaker 3>genuine that is for him, and how much of that's

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 3>political posture.

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that I don't necessarily believe that.

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 3>That's just kind of what you have to do.

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 2>He certainly knows that he barely made it out of

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>that fucking speech.

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And he pointed to thessassination attempt as a sign

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.439
<v Speaker 3>of how divided this country has been. A very world

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 3>trying to find the guy who did this moment, And

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 3>he called the Democrats to stop the witch hunts if

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 3>they want to unify the country, saying, quote, we must

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 3>not demonize political disagreement, and the Democrats should quote stop

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 3>weaponizing the Justice Department against Trump and labeling him an

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 3>enemy of democracy. So he's saying, the way to actually

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 3>unify this country is just to stop stopping bad. Yeah,

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 3>stop saying orange man bad. That's really what he was,

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 3>That's what he was getting at.

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I you know, you get if you want

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 2>to see the things that you can gain from this

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>that are useful in how to fight these people. They

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>are scared of the attacks that portray Trump as an

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 2>enemy of democracy. The Project twenty twenty five focus was

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 2>hurting Republicans and polling and the fact that the dims

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>have pulled back maybe not.

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Mentioned in a single speech this week.

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nobody talked up twenty twenty five. You know, even

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.479
<v Speaker 2>the Heritage Foundation people were notably cagier about it than

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 2>you might expect in their interviews with the press, because

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 2>they do know that it's not a good it's not

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 2>great for them to bring up now.

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 3>It's not popular. Yeah, and you know, slowly Trump's speech

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 3>got more more Trumpian rights, saying that Democrats are destroying

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 3>our country, talking about you know, immigrants invading our country.

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 3>As he said, he said there word invasion many many times. Yeah,

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 3>saying that that there that saying that legal immigrants are

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 3>killing hundreds of thousands of people a year.

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the fentanyl thing. It's even though ninety fyl

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>is brought into US sports of entry by US citizens. Yeah,

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 2>that line actually was one of the through lines. That

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>was almost every day of this I heard someone mention

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 2>that we've lost as many or more Americans to fentanyl

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 2>as we did in World War Two. At one point

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 2>it might have been in Trump's speech. It was even

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>framed as like more people have died from fentanyl than

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>died in World War Two, and like, well, no, no, no, lot,

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people died in World War two, just

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>not that many Americans. Really.

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, speaking of World War two era Germany in Trump's

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 3>little section, we sure did get a mention there. In

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Trump's little section about inflation, he gave a fascinating comment, yeah, saying, quote,

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 3>you can go back to Germany one hundred years ago

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 3>unquote to see the negative effects of inflation, yea, pointing

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 3>to like fin Maar era Germany.

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you're talking about Vymar. He's talking about like

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>what immediately preceded the Nazis coming to power.

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and and but like also framing it is like

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 3>I'll be the one to get us out of inflation,

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 3>which is very similar messaging as the fascist movements did,

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 3>saying to Germany that was in you know, in a

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 3>real economic issue, we will be the ones to fix

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 3>this through through nationalism, closing our borders through putting Germany first,

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 3>like that is, it's, it's it was. It was a

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 3>very very odd comparison for Trump to make. I don't

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 3>know how well he thought through that. I don't believe

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 3>that was this was like an intentional code admits it didn't.

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>It didn't seem like.

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't think Trump works that way.

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he definitely does have teleprompters sometimes, but he also

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 2>he is like a good public speaker. He doesn't just

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>stick religious to it, you know, And that did strike

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>me as a line that may have just come right

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 2>out of the heart.

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Now, he had a few other interesting things in the economy.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 3>He was talking a lot about increasing car manufacturing jobs,

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 3>including saying the leader of the United Autoworkers should be

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 3>fired and promising to put tariffs of one hundred to

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 3>two hundred percent on all foreign made cars, which would

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure do some real.

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Stuck up on your toyotas now, folks, well they make

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them in the US.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that would really help the economy.

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, which is like, I mean, part of the

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot to say about that. One thing that's interesting,

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>someone had told you because you were the first person

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>to bring this up to me. There were strong rumors

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>that really a midday before the speech started percolating that

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk was going to show up and introduce or

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 2>introduce people.

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 3>I heard this from like Thursday morning.

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Which may mean that they were just getting some bullshit.

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>It may mean that there were actually talks, right, I'm

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 2>sure because Musk has been real like Musk has been

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>trying do get Trump's attention. Yeah, that's beyond debate.

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 3>He wants Trump on Twitter m hm.

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>And he wants Trump. You know. He's he's been making

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>all these statements about how much money he's going to

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>donate to Trump and now he's endorsing him. Now, do

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>I actually think he's gonna give the RNC forty five

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>million dollars a month? No, he's going to find some

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 2>bullshit way he's gonna give him something. But he's gonna fight.

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>He's he's he never spends gives like that's too much

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>money for him to want to spend on them, right, Like,

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I think he's going to fuck them the way he

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 2>fucks everybody over. But it was interesting to me how

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 2>much talk there was of him showing up and absolutely

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>no eel on And in fact, there was a moment

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>where Trump was like, hey, electric cars are fine for

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 2>some things, but like we got to subsidize gas cars.

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He talked about, you know, increasing drilling in the

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 3>United States and kind of the last big topic that

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 3>he went to was the border. He pointed to the

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 3>to the little border patrol chart that he looked at

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 3>the split second before those shots fired, which saved his life,

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.760
<v Speaker 3>So you can thank the borderroll chart for that. He

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 3>said that Mexico and South American countries are sending murderers

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 3>and people from a sane asylums into the United States.

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 2>It was interesting because Naibukele of El Salvador, it keeps

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>getting brought up as like a Trumpian figure, is like,

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>this is the kind of leader Trump wants to be.

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Look at how good he's done it, like stopping violent

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 2>crime in El Salvador. Trump shat on him. Trump accused

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.959
<v Speaker 2>him of sending all of El Salvador's violent criminals and

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 2>psychopaths to the United States, which I thought was interesting.

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Actually, was it El Salvador Venezuela.

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Both He brought up both because he also brought up

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Venezuela and accused them of doing that, he said El Salvador.

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>But he also brought up Venezuela and said, maybe next

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 2>election will hold the RNC in Venezuela because it's so

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>peaceful now because they sent all their rapists here.

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Exactly that. Then he had the late great Hannibal Lecter line,

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 3>and then immediately afterwards he said that he will enact

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 3>the largest deportation program in American history. Yeah, and that's

0:32:55.800 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 3>just what a very beautiful snapshot of the current American politican.

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>And it got a great reaction. And I would say

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 2>that by far the most aggressive, because he really didn't

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>play any of that much of the much of if

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 2>any radical left stuff. He really even didn't other than

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>to say that Joe was like a bad president, the

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>country was in bad shape. He didn't like yell at Democrats.

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Much hate was mostly reserved for migrants and immigrants.

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Yes. He closed by saying that we're going to be

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 3>building an iron dome in the United States.

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that curveball.

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then he pivoted to saying that we will

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 3>not have men playing in women's sports, which is the

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 3>first trans reference.

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 2>In his whole speech, and he just kind of dropped

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>it and then changed.

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 3>And then he immediately continued to something else, And the

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 3>crowd did not react to that nearly as much as

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 3>they reacted to any of the other mentions of like

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 3>trans people.

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I think because it just kind of he just kind

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>of threw it out there, but then we're right back to.

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 3>It was almost like a perfunctory line, like knew he.

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Had again and drop a line about because I think

0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>it is perfunctory because again Trump doesn't really care all

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.959
<v Speaker 2>that much about the culture, like the social stuff.

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that is That's pretty much what they closed

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 3>the speech on. Most mostly on this migrant stuff, this

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 3>iron dome thing, and increase increasing the increasing the manufacturing

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 3>jobs in the United States, which is you know, a

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.439
<v Speaker 3>lot of a lot of what Trump's messaging was back

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 3>at twenty sixteen as well.

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, in a way, it was mostly him

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>playing the hits. You know, we had the there was

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 2>He did bring out Corey Contemporis firefighter's uniform. It was

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>on stage behind him the whole time. He kissed it.

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 3>At one point walked up to it and I thought

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 3>he was gonna going for a hug, and I was like, oh,

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 3>that's gonna be weird, and instead he went up behind

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 3>and kissed it, which was also weird.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 2>It kind of did a Joe Biden to the Dead

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Man's It was firefighter.

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 3>It was a very Joe Biden.

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 2>And he brought up Corey. He brought also up the

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:51.839
<v Speaker 2>other people who were wounded. He named them all, which

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, you I makes sense, you have to do it.

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 2>He didn't really talk much about Corey beyond that, like

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Corey was there as a prop. He kissed it, and

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 2>then he.

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Gave a five second moment of silence, a very brief

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:05.720
<v Speaker 3>moment of silence.

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>And then they moved on. And when his speech ended

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>for the night, Garrison and I both saw this was

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 2>beautiful moments to share with you, Garrett. You and I

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>have shared some moments, but this was. This is right

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 2>up at the top of the list as all of

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the the whole convention, the whole ceiling is balloons, right.

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>They've got them up there. They have some sort of

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 2>system by which like at the end they trigger it

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and they all start falling down and they'll fall for

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>ten fifteen minutes. Like there's a lot of balloons and

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 2>it's rigged so that they're and you know, some of

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 2>them are red, white and blue. A lot of them

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 2>are like gold.

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Huge gold balloons.

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the last sight we get, you know, as

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.400
<v Speaker 2>as Trump is on stage with his family, balloons are

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 2>showering the crowds everywhere streaming.

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 3>They're celebrating what they see as as an inevitable victory.

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Two stage crew guys take Corey's uniform and wheel

0:35:55.719 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 2>it unceremoniously off stage into darkness as quietly wheel its

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.720
<v Speaker 2>balloons poured down and everyone dances and cheeers.

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.319
<v Speaker 3>No one, no one noticed.

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>We're done. It's like Frank Grime's caskets sinking into the

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 2>into the dirt, and the Simpsons like no one sees,

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>one sees.

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Very unceremoniously, very quietly, very quickly just wheeled off and

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 3>what we needed from him as the celebration continues. And

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.240
<v Speaker 3>also they spelled his name wrong on the firefighting uniform,

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 3>to be it was previously spelled wrong.

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's I think it was an issue of

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>when he was a firefighter. They just could only have

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>so many letters on the jackets. But you know, there

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 2>was some talk about that. I have seen a lot

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 2>of folks making the comparison to Horst Wessel, who was

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 2>a German member of the Brown Shirts who's also a pimp,

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 2>who gets got murdered by some communists in retaliation for

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 2>acts of violence he had carried out right before the

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Third Reich took power, and they they really made a

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 2>lot out of his death. He got this massive state funeral,

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 2>They had a very popular song about him. He was

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of he was kind of the individual chosen to

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:03.760
<v Speaker 2>embody all of the guys who died in the street

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>fights prior to the right of the party. And people

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 2>have been comparing Corey to Horst. I get why, because

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>this is we are watching a fascist party near power here,

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 2>and there's clearly some desire in that for Corey to

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 2>be that. Horst was the focus of almost I'm not

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>almost a cult And what I saw here was a perfunctory, Well,

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>we got to mention this guy. Uh, we got to like,

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, make a reference to him. But let's let's

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>get in and out of that. We got to move

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>on to the meat and potatoes. That's not gonna win us.

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 2>And I think what is like the the swing voters

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 2>and shit don't care about Corey contemporary right, that's not

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna that's our base is going to expect us to

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 2>say something. It's also just like the thing you do.

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>This guy got killed at your rally with a bulletmint

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 2>for you, you got to bring up something. But then

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 2>let's move on. Let's get him out of there, Let's

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 2>shove his fucking uniform into the fucking back closet, and uh,

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 2>get back to the party, you know. And that is

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 2>different from how the Nazis handled horsed And I think

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.880
<v Speaker 2>that difference maybe it signals a real difference in the

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 2>structure of American fascism, you know, and how it inhabits

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 2>a party, or maybe it's just a measure of we're

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 2>not all fully bought in on this to the extent

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 2>in the same way that the Nazis were, right like,

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>we really are trying to just get a lot of

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 2>people on board to vote for us, and we don't

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 2>want to get too weird with it. We don't want

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 2>to have a big cult for Corey at the RNC,

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 2>the big religious state. That's got to be off putting

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 2>to Americans. So let's we'll kiss the hat people like firefighters,

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 2>shove it back. That's how I took that.

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 3>There's two other things I want to mention I've had JD.

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Vance's hype song stuck in my head. Boy, yeah, because

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.839
<v Speaker 3>they just kept playing it at that convention, and it's

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 3>an interesting song. It has it has a good beat.

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 3>It for most of the song, it's talking about how,

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, we spend all this time trying to like

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 3>liberate other countries, right, and maybe actually we're the ones

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 3>that need to be liberated. Maybe maybe America actually needs

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.319
<v Speaker 3>to be saved. Maybe we aren't as free as what

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 3>we would think. And it has a line about like

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 3>getting out of Iraq.

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 2>We got to get out of we got to get

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>out of Iraq, take our country back and put America first.

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 3>And I mean that is the point that where they

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 3>lose me. Obviously, it's still it's still interesting for one

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 3>of them, Like for the Vice President's song at the

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 3>RNC to be anti Iraqs. I'm like, hey, there there

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 3>were people telling you back then not to do Iraq

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 3>and you really wanted to.

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>We heard it for the first time on Monday when

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Vance got officially announced as the nominee, and I kind

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 2>of wondered, then, if like is this a fuck up?

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Was like somebody they were like, oh, there's a Merle

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Haggard song about America first, let's throw that in there,

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and then realized, oh no, there's we can't have that.

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 2>We're the party who did the Iraq stuff. But it

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 2>kept coming up, man kept being played. So it's very intentional, clearly.

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 3>And we were talking last night about this and like

0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 3>how how this is how these tips sort of nationalist

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.800
<v Speaker 3>projects always work. And we we've seen more America first,

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.399
<v Speaker 3>like that, that exact phrase used at this convention way

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 3>more than any any previous one. Trump said it a

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 3>few times. A lot of speakers have been saying it,

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 3>just like we need to put America first. And yeah,

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 3>specifically in this song, you know, it has it has

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 3>this kind of populist bent that then veers very hard nationalists,

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 3>which I'm sure we're all familiar with as a political tendency.

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 3>But I've just thought I found that to be the

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 3>most interesting part is because for like the majority of

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:35.439
<v Speaker 3>that song, I'm like, yes, absolutely, I agree. And then

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 3>and and then they say the America first line, and

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, that is not that is not what

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about. It's yeah, and I just know it's

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 3>it's it's been something I've been thinking about and I'm

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 3>sure we'll want I'm sure we'll do some more deep

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 3>dives on Vance in the coming weeks, since he's a

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 3>little bit, you know, less well known to many of you,

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 3>I assume. And the the last thing I kind of

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.720
<v Speaker 3>want to mention is that yesterday, right before Trump's speech,

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 3>I was getting some work done and I happened to

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 3>be sitting about ten feet away from Ted Cruz, who

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 3>was who is talking on air about his thoughts on

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 3>like both this this convention and this election in general.

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 3>And he said a few interesting things that I half

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 3>heard that I that I quickly just scribbled down on

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 3>a notebook. He said that, you know this, this convention

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 3>already feels like a celebration, right, this already feels like

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:30.440
<v Speaker 3>like we've kind of won. But he warned Republicans to

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:35.359
<v Speaker 3>be scared of over confidence. He said that we're kind

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 3>of acting like how the Democrats were acting in twenty sixteen.

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 2>I have been saying that all week.

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's that's what Ted Cruz was saying. Yeah.

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 3>He thinks that that that Biden is not going to

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 3>be the candidate, that someone else is going to come

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:48.279
<v Speaker 3>into place.

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.600
<v Speaker 3>He believes that that's going to be Michelle Obama, which

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 3>is believable in an unhinged opinions.

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable because like, do I think Michelle Obama would have

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>a decent shot at winning the presidency in this election?

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 2>And sure, do I think Michelle Obama wants to go

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 2>anywhere near the White House again in her life?

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Now?

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Absolute, it's like a nightmare. She's making movies, they're produced,

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 2>they're in Hollywood. You're doing the thing people when.

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 3>They're doing what Ted Cruz wants to do.

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 2>When people are allowed to make big Hollywood movies, they

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 2>don't want to get into politics for a long time.

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 2>That's how we avoided having fascists and power in this

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 2>country and like like direct power, like like Trump type

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of fascists.

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 3>We're very lucky that Clint Eastwood just makes movies and

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 3>doesn't do.

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Are the people who would be the best we have?

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, you have fascists like stuck inside of the bureaucracy,

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 2>But the people who could really have the potential charisma

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 2>to be populist leaders wind up becoming movie stars. Tom

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Cruise could have been a president. Oh he's he's got

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 2>what it takes, but he decided to devote all of

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 2>that manic kind of charisma energy into climbing the bersh Khalifa.

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:58.280
<v Speaker 2>And that's part of the genius of the American system.

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, guess lastly, Milwaukee was lovely. All the

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 3>food service workers Milwaukee's great. Even the poor people who

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 3>were forced to work at the convention center consistently nice,

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 3>did a great job. And there's there's one one anecdote

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 3>that Robert should mention.

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Just regardless of a favorite part of the convention, some

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 2>of the.

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Very fine people here in Milwaukee.

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I've gotten shouted my my occasional enemy, well always enemy,

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:31.359
<v Speaker 2>but occasionally I remember that he exists. Andy No made

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 2>a series of posts about how there was a dangerous

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Antifa terrorist at the convention and like clipped a couple

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 2>of posts of mine out of context like he always does,

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 2>and was like, you know, people in his in his

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 2>mentions were tagging the Secret Service.

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 3>In THEBN it serves Laura Lumer.

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I continued to repeatedly enter the r n C. I

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.839
<v Speaker 2>went through. God, I lost count of how many times

0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I went through Secret Service checkpoints. We snuck into the

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:03.439
<v Speaker 2>hair Ridage Foundation party. None of it mattered. The only

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 2>people at the show who recognized me were like technical

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>folks for the different radio. I had a couple of

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:14.280
<v Speaker 2>different people who were carrying booms carrying cameras who like referenced,

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 2>like recognized me and shouted me out, which I felt

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 2>good about. What I felt best about is as you

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and I were walking to the stadium to see the speech,

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:26.279
<v Speaker 2>we see a forklift driving down the street in the

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.399
<v Speaker 2>middle of this one of the crowded streets. Yeah, which

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 2>is kind of crazy. It's weird. I've never actually seen

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 2>a construction vehicle driving around inside the during like the

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.560
<v Speaker 2>convention hours, so that was weird. And as we're like

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 2>watching this thing, like I honestly wondered, like, should I

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 2>like get a footage of this? That's kind of wild looking?

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>As were as we see it like kind of coming

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, Welcome to It could happen here? Another food episode.

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<v Speaker 5>How did we get here today? We're talking about asparagus.

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<v Speaker 5>Why you might ask, once again, you can blame James

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<v Speaker 5>Stout Hi James.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, Cheren. I'm happy to be blamed. I take responsibility

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<v Speaker 4>for asparagus.

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<v Speaker 5>Why did you want me to talk about asparagus?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's because Shereen I grew up in the vyl

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<v Speaker 4>Aviv Sham. The vyl Aviv Sham, if people aren't familiar,

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<v Speaker 4>is an area in the middle of England where asparagus

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 4>has grown heavily. In fact, there's a protected origin, so

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<v Speaker 4>you could only call it vel Aviv Shum asparagus if

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<v Speaker 4>it comes. Yeah, there was a big asparagus auction that

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<v Speaker 4>used to happen the first the first so around it's

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<v Speaker 4>called grass and not asparagus. Right, Where's I'll get into that? Yeah, good, good,

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<v Speaker 4>excited to Then it's so do you know how many

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<v Speaker 4>how many spears are in a round?

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<v Speaker 2>Sreen.

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<v Speaker 5>No, let's say no.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, it's a gross, a gross of spears, so it gross.

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<v Speaker 4>How many do you know how many in a gross? No,

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<v Speaker 4>it is one hundred and forty four. It's twelve times twelve.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a pub called the Round of Grass. We

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<v Speaker 4>scot a lot. When I was younger, I used to work.

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<v Speaker 4>If anyone knows it high maybe you probably know me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's small fan to my mum, who is probably the

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<v Speaker 4>only person I used to work to stand the road

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<v Speaker 4>from there at a tomato like a big tomato greenhouse.

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<v Speaker 5>You used to work at a tomato greenhouse.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, yep, pack up the tomatoes. Slap a label on

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<v Speaker 4>that bad boy, sat. It's such a crap job, Like

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it doesn't say no disrespect if you work

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<v Speaker 4>in the tomato greenhouse and that's what you enjoy, Like,

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 4>that's great, Like I love to grow a tomato. That

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<v Speaker 4>job was just not I didn't like it. The same

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<v Speaker 4>thing every day.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Well, well, today is not

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 5>a tomato episode. Today is an asparagus episode. Let's just

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 5>get into it. I want you to talk more about

0:47:41.280 --> 0:47:43.879
<v Speaker 5>your hometown, but I'm gonna sprinkle it in here and there.

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<v Speaker 5>Just to make these more interesting, Let's just get into

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<v Speaker 5>the nitty gritty of what asparagus is. Apparently, the asparagus

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<v Speaker 5>is a member of the lily family. The plant is

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<v Speaker 5>made up of the top, which is the fern, the

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<v Speaker 5>crowns which are the buds, and then the roots. All

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<v Speaker 5>three of these parts are vital to a productive asparagus plant.

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<v Speaker 5>The fern is known as the factory, which through photosynthesis,

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<v Speaker 5>produces food sorted in the crown and their roots below ground.

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<v Speaker 5>The number of vigorous spears in the spring depends on

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 5>the amount of food produced and stored in the crown

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:22.880
<v Speaker 5>during the preceding summer and fall. Producing a good crop

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 5>of fern is necessary for ensuring a good crop of

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<v Speaker 5>spears the following spring. It's important not to cut the

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:30.799
<v Speaker 5>old fern at the end of the season until it

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.919
<v Speaker 5>is completely dead, and the best time to remove old

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 5>fern is in the spring, since valuable food and nutrients

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 5>move during the autumn months from the dying fern to

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<v Speaker 5>the crown. Fascinating, Yeah, maybe you're wondering is there a

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<v Speaker 5>nutritional value? Yes, of course it's a vegetable, But one

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 5>cup of asparagus has no fat and only two grays

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<v Speaker 5>of sugar and three milligrams of salt. Apparently, it's known

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<v Speaker 5>as one of the most nutritionally balanced vegetables ever, a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of fiber, and it contains no cholesterol, very low

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<v Speaker 5>in sodium, as I said, a good source of folic acid, potassium,

0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:10.760
<v Speaker 5>as well as vitamin's A A six and vitamin C. Wowie, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>only the young shoots of asparagus are eaten. Fun fact.

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<v Speaker 5>There's also an amino acid called asparagene, and this gets

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<v Speaker 5>its name from asparagus because the asparagus plant is rich

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<v Speaker 5>in this compound. Asparagene is also commonly found fun fact

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<v Speaker 5>in French fries and potatoes, which are potatoes and fries

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<v Speaker 5>are the same. There are over three hundred known varieties

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<v Speaker 5>of asparagus, and the varieties most widely seen in the

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<v Speaker 5>United States include the white variety, which is preferred in Europe.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll get into this later, but apparently chefs in Europe

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<v Speaker 5>only usually use white James.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's the mainland Europe. Maybe now that we've exited, obviously,

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:58.360
<v Speaker 4>we can be proud of our green asparagus. I've not

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.800
<v Speaker 4>enjoyed white asparagus. I think it lacks fresh, the fresh flavor.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a reason for that. There's a reason for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they pile up the soil, right, so yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well spoiler alert, I was going to call it

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<v Speaker 5>is very fascinating that they prefer to do that, though,

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<v Speaker 5>But regardless, the three varieties in the United States include

0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 5>the white one, and these sunlight deprived stocks are a

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<v Speaker 5>little milder and more delicate. It's difficult to find these

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<v Speaker 5>fresh in the US, but they are widely available canned

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<v Speaker 5>or in jars.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't want to be eating a sparis in a

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<v Speaker 4>can or a jar, though.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you don't want to be eating most things

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<v Speaker 5>in a canna a jar.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pretic. A sardine if you're a person who eats

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<v Speaker 4>sardines very good in a.

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<v Speaker 5>Can, I'm not going to do a hardy an episode.

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<v Speaker 4>That could be a really interesting episode. I used to

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<v Speaker 4>live in a place where they had a protected origin

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<v Speaker 4>for those as well.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, after doing sea your Chins, I was glad

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<v Speaker 5>to do asparagus because asparagus, says, are not little think things.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not trying to be annoying, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 5>hard for me to talk about things like eating.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>About them because they are food, but they're not my

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<v Speaker 5>first choice. So I'm glad to be talking about a

0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:17.359
<v Speaker 5>plant today. I don't find asparagus cute, so maybe it's

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 5>easier for me to eat them. That's that's just my

0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:20.840
<v Speaker 5>own bias.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't derail your episode. I've been reminded that

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.440
<v Speaker 4>I had my twenty first birthday party at one of

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<v Speaker 4>the pubs at Auctions. The asparagus. Wow, tidbit.

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<v Speaker 5>I love some James Stout Loore.

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<v Speaker 4>Forget in the varn, in the varn at the fleece

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<v Speaker 4>at Breadforton. The other one, of course, is around the

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<v Speaker 4>grass and batsy.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, fascinating. Your life continues to be fascinating.

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<v Speaker 4>That's extremely fucking mundane.

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<v Speaker 5>It's fucking weird in a good way. But sure they're

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<v Speaker 5>the other variety, the violet or purple kind of asparagus.

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<v Speaker 5>This one is commonly found in England and Italy and

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<v Speaker 5>it has a very substantial stock. And then is the

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 5>green asparagus, which is the most widely known kind of asparagus,

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 5>because most American asparagus is of this variety, and it

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 5>ranges from pencil thin to very thick. They describe it

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<v Speaker 5>as the size of your thumb, but I think this

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 5>is relative, depending on how big your thumb is. And

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<v Speaker 5>then there's also wild asparagus, and these asparagus grow in

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:24.880
<v Speaker 5>wild areas. It's mostly found in Europe or like on

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 5>the coastline somewhere, and you'll most likely have to hunt

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:31.280
<v Speaker 5>down your own because it's rarely available fresh in markets

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<v Speaker 5>except for in Italy and the south of France.

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<v Speaker 4>No, wild asparagus is great, it's going to be. Uh,

0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 4>you do have to be as with anything that you're

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<v Speaker 4>taking out of the out of the wild areas. You

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.439
<v Speaker 4>do want to be careful that you're getting wild asparagus.

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<v Speaker 4>We are a couple of things because if you confuse

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<v Speaker 4>it with something else, oh, I mean yeah you can

0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:53.800
<v Speaker 4>can Yeah, you can get yourself. I'm trying to remember.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, don't be like into the wild out here, like yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, don't into the world yourself with a world asparagus.

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Samfa is another delicious vegetable. It's a bit like I

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:06.400
<v Speaker 4>think it's a relative of asparagus. It's like sea asparagus

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<v Speaker 4>s a m p h ire.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, see asparagus.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so many little Yeah, fascinating. It's I think it's

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:17.719
<v Speaker 4>a maybe it's not a relative. Maybe it's just a

0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:21.239
<v Speaker 4>like a seaweed. It's pretty good if you get it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one you can forage pretty easily. Nearly all seaweeds edible,

0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 4>So you know, if you're out and about.

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<v Speaker 5>Good source of iodine, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Well yeah, But.

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<v Speaker 5>As with any plant, James, asparagus has its own ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called sea beans.

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.760
<v Speaker 4>Well, sorry, I'm just sorry, ten, I've ruined your episode

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<v Speaker 4>sea beans? No, yes, what fucking Americans call it? What

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 4>a stupid name?

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.080
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you do ruin moost things?

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like, I don't know. It's a little two too straightforward.

0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 4>It's literally mentioned in king Lear Like, why do you

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:54.400
<v Speaker 4>have to change it? Shakespearean vegetable?

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<v Speaker 5>M Well, today is about asparagus. Today, we're talking about asparagus.

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:03.719
<v Speaker 5>A sea bean maybe next time. But James, as with

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<v Speaker 5>any plant, the asparagus has its own ideal growing conditions.

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<v Speaker 5>So let's get into that. Where is an ideal growing

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 5>condition for an asparagus? A good amount of sun is ideal.

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:17.439
<v Speaker 5>Asparagus needs at least eight hours of sun per day.

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:21.279
<v Speaker 5>And since asparagus is a long lived perennial plant. It

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:24.200
<v Speaker 5>should not be planted where trees or tall shrubs might

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 5>eventually shade the plants or compete for nutrients and water.

0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 5>When it comes to the soil, the crown and root

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 5>system can grow to a large size, which can be

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 5>roughly five to six feet in diameter and ten to

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 5>fifteen feet deep. Therefore, when possible, you should select a

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:43.759
<v Speaker 5>soil that is loose, deep, well drained, and fertile. On

0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 5>sites with poor soil, incorporate manure and compost into the

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:52.080
<v Speaker 5>soil and plant until under two successive cover crops the

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.839
<v Speaker 5>season before you plant your asparagus, and you should be

0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:58.360
<v Speaker 5>just fine. Asparagus is planted in the spring. The simplest

0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 5>method is to plant one year old crowns and you

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 5>lay down the ground soil prior to growing asparagus for

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 5>the first time. And even though the young crown will

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:09.080
<v Speaker 5>appear to be a lifeless mass of roots, it will

0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:12.720
<v Speaker 5>begin to send up small green shoots shortly after planting,

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 5>so as I mentioned, asparagus is planted in the spring,

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 5>but it's also one of the very first crops harvested

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:22.440
<v Speaker 5>during the spring season, and that means metaphorically, It represents

0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 5>the transition from the frozen winter months and its emphasis

0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:31.240
<v Speaker 5>on root vegetables to the abundance and newness of spring. Yeah,

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 5>asparagus for farmers can mean even more. Farmer Lee Jones

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 5>from The Chef's Garden says quote, the farmer is an

0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 5>eternal optimist, always hoping that next year will be the year,

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:48.280
<v Speaker 5>the year when rain falls and exactly the right amounts

0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:51.320
<v Speaker 5>at exactly the right times, that it's never too hot

0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.560
<v Speaker 5>and never too cold, and the weather is exactly what

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.800
<v Speaker 5>we might wish. No season is ever perfect, of course,

0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 5>but try telling that to a farmer as he or

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:03.320
<v Speaker 5>she sits in front of a cozy fireplace in the wintertime,

0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:07.600
<v Speaker 5>feet propped up, looking through seed catalogs and dreaming of spring.

0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:12.440
<v Speaker 5>Winter refreshes us, and asparagus represents the hope of renewal

0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:16.759
<v Speaker 5>and the optimism of what spring might bring. When it's

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 5>time to begin harvesting asparagus, farmers smell the earth again,

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 5>see the earthworms, and listen once again to the kill

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:29.600
<v Speaker 5>deer in the blackbirds. This portent of spring is a

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 5>welcome celebration. Asparagus is a recurrent affirmation that winter is

0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:40.319
<v Speaker 5>over and delicious treasures from the field are eminent. This

0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:41.560
<v Speaker 5>man loves asparagus.

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:47.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that is farmers. Apparently it's not my recollection of winter.

0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:49.360
<v Speaker 4>This man has never been very wet, very cold.

0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 5>I suppose not.

0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, doing a Christmas lamming.

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:56.359
<v Speaker 5>I suppose you can think of asparagus as a very

0:56:56.520 --> 0:57:01.319
<v Speaker 5>patient vegetable. It rests quietly underground, absorbing nutrients from the

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 5>soil and remaining underground during the freezing winter months before

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 5>it begins to push through the soil when it's warm

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:11.200
<v Speaker 5>in the springtime, and this again signals the start of

0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:14.440
<v Speaker 5>the spring season. In nineteen fifty six, The New York

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 5>Times published an article calling asparagus the healthy quote spring

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 5>tonic for weary appetites. I just thought it was a

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 5>fun facts. That's that's all for that. Asparagus can grow

0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 5>quite fast too. You can cut asparagus in the morning

0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 5>and it just keeps growing. And here's a fun fact

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 5>for you. In ideal conditions, asparagus can grow ten inches

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<v Speaker 5>in a twenty four hour period.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's crazy, that's fast. It takes a long time

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 4>to get ready, right, it takes three years and then

0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 4>it just.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, look, it's definitely an investment of time

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<v Speaker 5>for it to grow that way. But it sounds like

0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 5>it's worth it if you love asparagus, like farmer le

0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:51.040
<v Speaker 5>Jones up there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah he does, do yount another little vale of eves

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<v Speaker 4>in factoid. Please The church in Bredfton has a stained

0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:01.200
<v Speaker 4>glass window which is a glass of asparagus.

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<v Speaker 7>No, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a depiction of asparagus. I will find it for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure like asparagus, says Jesus.

0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.760
<v Speaker 4>No, it's just asparagus in the window. Oh like, it's

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:11.400
<v Speaker 4>not how it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Not less weird. I don't know if that's less weirder

0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:13.960
<v Speaker 5>or not.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm just gotta find it for you here. Well

0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:19.840
<v Speaker 4>it's is grass underneath. I'll just drop it in the chat.

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<v Speaker 4>Get a live react.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I had a little twine wrapped around it too.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah, Well that's how you do a round

0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:31.920
<v Speaker 4>of grass. Yeah, you do them in dozens, right, and

0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:33.520
<v Speaker 4>then a dozen dozen you wrap around.

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:37.920
<v Speaker 5>That's that's a stained glass depiction of asparagus.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeahparagus is next to godliness.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh I'm getting into why that might be the case.

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<v Speaker 5>So just to reiterate how much patience and time you yourself

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<v Speaker 5>need if you do want to plant asparagus, because although

0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 5>green asparagus is typically what's seen in grocery stores, it

0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:59.360
<v Speaker 5>comes in all the colors that we said, But no

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<v Speaker 5>matter what it is, it's important to protect the strength

0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.440
<v Speaker 5>of the root or else it won't succeed in growing.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is how gentle you need to be. First,

0:59:08.240 --> 0:59:10.760
<v Speaker 5>you plant the three year old roots, and if the

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 5>asparagus root is in its first year in growth, which

0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.160
<v Speaker 5>is really then it's fourth, you should only pick it

0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:18.400
<v Speaker 5>for one week because you don't want to zap the

0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:21.320
<v Speaker 5>root strength. Then after two years, which would be really

0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 5>its fifth, you pick it only for two weeks. By

0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 5>the time it's four years old, which yes means that's

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:29.960
<v Speaker 5>a seven year total, then you can harvest it for

0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 5>longer amounts of time a good plant though, after all,

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 5>this process can last up to twenty years, so it's

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 5>important to let the young ones build up strength for

0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:43.200
<v Speaker 5>the future. We mentioned this before James gave it away.

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<v Speaker 5>But in Europe chefs almost always use the white asparagus,

0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:48.439
<v Speaker 5>rarely the green ones, and this is because the white

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:52.400
<v Speaker 5>asparagus beautifully offers up the luscious notes apparently of corn

0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 5>and sweet cabbage, but European farmers. The reason why this

0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 5>is is that they mound and pack soil over the

0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:02.120
<v Speaker 5>asparagus plants to blow the chlorophyll process, and this is

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<v Speaker 5>the process that ends up creating the white color when

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<v Speaker 5>you block it. And these plants need to push hard

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<v Speaker 5>through the soil and because of that, they end up

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<v Speaker 5>with tough outer skins that need to be peeled off,

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<v Speaker 5>which is not the case with the green variety. And

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<v Speaker 5>then this adds labor like expenses and time into the

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<v Speaker 5>mix of harvesting it. And a lot of people think

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<v Speaker 5>that this results in the most nutritional part of the

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<v Speaker 5>vegetable being thrown away.

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<v Speaker 4>So why, yeah, why you dan't get It's one of

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<v Speaker 4>the things that wrong about.

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<v Speaker 5>Here are some more fun facts. Chefs say that to

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<v Speaker 5>enjoy the bright green flavor of asparagus, you salt your

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<v Speaker 5>water before blanching, and then, since the ends of asparagus

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<v Speaker 5>are extremely tough, the best way to prepare the asparagus

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<v Speaker 5>is a snap the ends off, which you probably already know,

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<v Speaker 5>but you usually can find a slight bend where it

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<v Speaker 5>can be broken off and this will preserve the most

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<v Speaker 5>asparagus possible.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to have a good snap though. If it's

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<v Speaker 4>like it is fun.

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<v Speaker 5>When that happens, I like like a good satisfying snap sound.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's when you know it's a fresh one. If

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<v Speaker 4>it's if it's got like a squeeze. If it was floppy,

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<v Speaker 4>then it's probably it's been out for too long. You

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<v Speaker 4>have to eat it very fresh. It's very important. They

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<v Speaker 4>would drive out to London, get me in a really

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<v Speaker 4>early morning, drive up to London and sell it to

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<v Speaker 4>look at London people, of which I'm not one, and

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<v Speaker 4>then they would have there it's very luxury vegetable.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is not a cheap vegetable.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to get into the royalty of this vegetable

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<v Speaker 5>that has been called the King of vegetables. But first

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<v Speaker 5>we're going to take a break. So hm, go grab

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<v Speaker 5>some asparagus and we'll be right back. And we're back,

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<v Speaker 5>let's talk about some history of asparagus. The exact origins

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<v Speaker 5>of asparagus are hard to pinpoint, although it is known

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<v Speaker 5>to the eastern Mediterranean and parts of Asia. Asparagus can

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<v Speaker 5>be found naturalized in many parts of the world today,

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<v Speaker 5>and it is unclear exactly when it was naturalized how

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<v Speaker 5>long the plant has been used as a medicinal vegetable

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<v Speaker 5>is also uncertain, but it was known and highly prized

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<v Speaker 5>by the Romans since at least two hundred BC. The

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<v Speaker 5>Romans were apparently very knowledgeable about the difference in quality

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<v Speaker 5>and the difference in varieties that they experimented with, and

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<v Speaker 5>they knew the best places to grow the crop. The

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<v Speaker 5>most popular way that the Romans enjoyed to prepare their

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<v Speaker 5>asparagus was to pick it, let it dry, and then

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<v Speaker 5>when they wanted to eat it, they would simply cook

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<v Speaker 5>it for a few minutes. Ancient royalty seemed fascinated with asparagus.

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<v Speaker 5>Roman emperor Caesar Augustus was said to have organized elite

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<v Speaker 5>military units to search out this vegetable. He would then

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<v Speaker 5>locate the fastest runners to take the fresh asparagus spears

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<v Speaker 5>into the frozen alps for storage purposes. Ancient Greeks meanwhile

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<v Speaker 5>harvested wild asparagus and connected this vegetable to their goddess

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<v Speaker 5>of life of Aphrodite. Numerous other cultures have also considered

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<v Speaker 5>this freshly sprouted asparagus a symbol of fertility, and so

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<v Speaker 5>the history of asparagus goes back a very long long way,

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<v Speaker 5>and speaking of the Greeks. The derivation of the word

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<v Speaker 5>asparagus also gives us some idea of its early history.

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<v Speaker 5>So asparagus was first cultivated some people think around twenty

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<v Speaker 5>five hundred years ago in Greece, and this is significant

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<v Speaker 5>because the word asparagus is a Greek word which means

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<v Speaker 5>stock or shoot, and so it makes sense that the

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<v Speaker 5>word is rooted in ancient Greek. But that word in

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<v Speaker 5>ancient Greek is actually aspharagos, and it can be identified

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<v Speaker 5>in various literature with two meanings. The first is found

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<v Speaker 5>in Homer's Iliad, and it is used in this context

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<v Speaker 5>to mean throat or gullet. The second place it's found,

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<v Speaker 5>it's referred to as the edible shoots of stone or spirite.

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<v Speaker 5>The Greeks believed asparagus was an herbal medicine, which, among

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<v Speaker 5>other things, would cure toothaches and prevent beastings. We have

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<v Speaker 5>seen reference to the fact that at one point this

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<v Speaker 5>Greek word refer to the young edible shoots of any

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<v Speaker 5>plant that shoots up from the earth, but we cannot

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<v Speaker 5>verify this fact. So maybe in the area of ancient

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<v Speaker 5>Greece known as Biotia, historians say that quote. After veiling

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<v Speaker 5>the bride, they would put on her head a chaplet

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<v Speaker 5>of asparagus. For this plant yields the finest flavored fruit

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<v Speaker 5>from the roughest thorns. So the bride will provide him

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<v Speaker 5>who does not run away or feel annoyed at her

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<v Speaker 5>first display of peevishness or unpleasantness, a docile and sweet

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<v Speaker 5>life together.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yeah, feminism alive. Well, yeah, I didn't know I

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be suggesting an anti woke vegetable.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's a little bit of Returney.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have to be anti woke asparagus.

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<v Speaker 5>No, you don't. You don't. Now, it's it's come a

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<v Speaker 5>long way.

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<v Speaker 4>It's come.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's take back asparagus.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll start there. It's like you have small steps.

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<v Speaker 5>Other ancient cultures that apparently were obsessed with asparagus. The

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<v Speaker 5>asparagus plant appeared in an Egyptian freeze about five thousand

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<v Speaker 5>years ago, with Queen Nefertidi allegedly an asparagus fan. Archaeologists

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<v Speaker 5>found traces of asparagus on dishware when they were excavating

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<v Speaker 5>the Pyramid of Sakara, along with other coveted foods like

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<v Speaker 5>figs and melons. Apparently, in the Egyptian culture, this vegtiable

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<v Speaker 5>was considered sacred and use in religious ceremonies, and then

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<v Speaker 5>in ancient China, honored guests were treated upon their arrivals

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<v Speaker 5>with an asparagus foot bath.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't either.

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<v Speaker 5>Its uses are renowned and wide. About two thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 5>a poet in Latin language prose writer and Platonist philosopher

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<v Speaker 5>named a Pelais fell in love with a well the

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<v Speaker 5>widow named Pundentilla. Knowing he needed to pull out all

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<v Speaker 5>the stops to get her, he wooed her with a

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<v Speaker 5>special dish that contained asparagus along with crabtails, fish eggs,

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<v Speaker 5>bird's tongue, and dove blood. He was accused of using

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<v Speaker 5>magic charms to win her heart, and even though he

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<v Speaker 5>successfully defended himself against his accusations, through this story we

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<v Speaker 5>can clearly see there is certainly something magical about asparagus.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm concerned about crabtail.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>As I read that, I was like, as I read that,

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, that's not a thing, But maybe it

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<v Speaker 5>used to be. You know it, I'll be my next episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe that, maybe that's the case. Basically, a seafood little

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<v Speaker 5>guy with fish eggs and crab also bird's tongue and

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<v Speaker 5>dove blood.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a bit weighed. He loves me on that,

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<v Speaker 4>to be honest.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, romantic.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've assumed. Coming to the asparagus recipe section, not

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<v Speaker 4>yet later in the podcast, I will let you proceed.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me just assume through the rest of us really quick.

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<v Speaker 5>When Emperor Charles the fifth of the powerful Habsburg Empire,

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<v Speaker 5>decided to visit Rome, and he was live between fifteen

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and fifteen fifty eight, he visited Rome without warning

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<v Speaker 5>any one of his arrival. A sense of panic ensued

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<v Speaker 5>because the emperor had arrived during a time of fasting.

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<v Speaker 5>One clever cardinal sent cooks to work in creating three

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<v Speaker 5>different asparagus recipes. They set the plates on perfumed cloths

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<v Speaker 5>and offered the emperor three exquisite wines. He was said

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<v Speaker 5>to praise the delicacies, and he was offered for years

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<v Speaker 5>to come. And so for centuries people have talked about asparagus,

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<v Speaker 5>and they've also included asparagus in their Eastern dinners because

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<v Speaker 5>of its fast growth in the spring and how this

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<v Speaker 5>can symbolize resurrection. The book quote a Curious History of

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<v Speaker 5>Vegetables by Wolf D. Storl has numerous asparagus anecdotes to

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<v Speaker 5>enjoy if you're into that sort of thing, and also

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<v Speaker 5>contains this quote by modern day plant experts Fritz Martin Engel.

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<v Speaker 5>And this quote effectively sums up the types of people

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<v Speaker 5>who have appreciated asparagus over the centuries. Quote pharaohs, emperors, kings,

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<v Speaker 5>generals and great spiritual leaders, princely poets like Gota and

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<v Speaker 5>gormands like Brelant severan, all of them ate and eat

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<v Speaker 5>asparagus with great enthusiasm. Let's get into the word. As

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<v Speaker 5>I mentioned earlier, it comes from the Greek word asparagos.

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<v Speaker 5>Gos is the end of that. So the word asparagus

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<v Speaker 5>was eventually developed into the word asparagus in classical Latin,

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<v Speaker 5>but then it was shortened to sparagus without the A

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<v Speaker 5>in medieval Latin. According to the World of Wide Words,

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<v Speaker 5>it first appeared in English around one thousand a d.

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<v Speaker 5>And then by the sixteenth century it was commonly referred

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<v Speaker 5>to an English as sperrich or sparage. At this point

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<v Speaker 5>in time, similar to other English language developments, there was

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<v Speaker 5>a reversion back to classical Latin roots that was encouraged

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<v Speaker 5>by academics and herbalists, so asparagus came back into use

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<v Speaker 5>with the A, but when it came to common use,

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<v Speaker 5>the A was still dropped, and people called it asparagus, sparrograss, sparrowgrass,

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<v Speaker 5>and then also just grass, which was another shortening that

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<v Speaker 5>people still use today. After the demise of the Roman Empire,

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<v Speaker 5>little is heard of regarding the history of asparagus for

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<v Speaker 5>a while, but evidence suggests that asparagus was being grown

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<v Speaker 5>in French monasteries in fourteen fifty nine, but then it's

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<v Speaker 5>unheard of in England or Germany until the mid fifteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 5>By the sixteenth century, asparagus starts to appear in history

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<v Speaker 5>books again, where a gained popularity in France and England.

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<v Speaker 5>From there, the early colonists brought it to America. The

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<v Speaker 5>French were the main exports of the crop at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>and if you wanted to please the Son King aka

1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:56.680
<v Speaker 5>King Louis the fourteenth of France, you can bring his

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<v Speaker 5>second wife, Madame de Matin sorry a new asparagus recipe,

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<v Speaker 5>and apparently that was very pleasing to him. She gathered

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<v Speaker 5>them into a book and asparagus soup a la matinan

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<v Speaker 5>is still prized today. Asparagus is also because of this

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<v Speaker 5>called food of the Kings, and kinglu With the fourteenth

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<v Speaker 5>was so fond of asparagus that he ordered special greenhouses

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<v Speaker 5>built so we can enjoy asparagus all year round.

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<v Speaker 4>Me and Louis the fourteenth just cometic on how me

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<v Speaker 4>and Louis the fourteenth. Yeah, same dude, many ways love

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<v Speaker 4>get asparagus.

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<v Speaker 5>Res Oh you were like handshaking yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I did not catch that. Yeah, got it.

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<v Speaker 5>The medicinal virtues that are attributed to asparagus are a

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<v Speaker 5>wide range. The roots, sprouts, and seeds were used as medicine.

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<v Speaker 5>The fresh roots are a diuretic. A syrup made from

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<v Speaker 5>the young shoots, and an extract of the roots has

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<v Speaker 5>been recommended as a sedative in heart issues. Among Greeks

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<v Speaker 5>and Romans. It is one of the oldest and most

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<v Speaker 5>valued medicines. It was believed that if a person anointed

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<v Speaker 5>himself with a liniment or liquid medicine made of asparagus

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<v Speaker 5>and oil, that bees would not approach or sting him.

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<v Speaker 5>I mentioned this kind of briefly earlier, but that's.

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<v Speaker 2>How you do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't get stung by a bee, coat yourself with asparagus juice.

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<v Speaker 5>It was also believed that if the root is put

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<v Speaker 5>on a tooth that aches violently, it causes it to

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<v Speaker 5>fall out without any pain if you want that to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>But how did the asparagus cross the Atlantic? There is

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<v Speaker 5>little evidence of when exactly asparagus migrate over to the Americas,

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<v Speaker 5>and again it's assumed that settlers brought it over along

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<v Speaker 5>with other vegetables at the time. It's believed that in

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<v Speaker 5>the seventeen hundreds it was planted initially in New England,

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<v Speaker 5>and then by the eighteen fifties it had found its

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<v Speaker 5>way to North California. There is early evidence, based on

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<v Speaker 5>seed catalogs, of the crop being sold on a commercial

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<v Speaker 5>level in the early eighteenth century in eastern parts of

1:11:53.040 --> 1:11:56.479
<v Speaker 5>the country. While asparagus, as we mentioned earlier is a

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<v Speaker 5>thing and it's seen as early as the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 5>it can be growing along the East Coast in scattered

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<v Speaker 5>locations and across temperate North America, and apparently thirty six

1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:10.679
<v Speaker 5>states have reported to have wild asparagus. Another kingly reference

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<v Speaker 5>of asparagus is apparently in Germany. Asparagus was called Spargl.

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<v Speaker 5>Spargol took cold in Germany around Stuttgart in the sixteenth century,

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<v Speaker 5>and around the same time it was already being taking

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<v Speaker 5>off from the UK. Initially, it was grown exclusively for

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<v Speaker 5>the royal court, earning its nickname connexumus muse. Connexum muse

1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:39.000
<v Speaker 5>it basically means royal vegetable. And there are two primary

1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:43.599
<v Speaker 5>growing regions in Germany where asparagus is in abundance. One

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<v Speaker 5>of them is Schwitzwingen and it's where Karl Theodore, Prince elector,

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<v Speaker 5>started a green asparagus growing competition among the princes in

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<v Speaker 5>the seventeenth century, and then the other region, Schrobenhausen. It's

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<v Speaker 5>also steeped in asparagus history and houses the European Asparagus Museum.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a thing, an asparagus museum. You know what else

1:13:08.040 --> 1:13:10.760
<v Speaker 5>might have a museum. All of these ads one day

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<v Speaker 5>probably not buy what's in city, dads, and we're back, Okay, James.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Fairly interesting that there's an asparagus museum in Europe. But

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<v Speaker 5>I also think it's interesting that you literally grew up

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<v Speaker 5>in a town that have an asparagus mascot can you

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<v Speaker 5>please explain this to me as someone who does not

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<v Speaker 5>know what that means?

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<v Speaker 4>I can I can explain a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 4>asparagus mascot. So I live in at Evesham when I

1:13:46.960 --> 1:13:49.120
<v Speaker 4>grew up. Evesham of course give its name to the

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<v Speaker 4>veyl Avivsham, which is the area where asparagus. It was

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<v Speaker 4>actually the last British product to get a protected origin

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<v Speaker 4>status from the European Union before Britain terminally fucked its

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<v Speaker 4>economy by leaving the European Union. And so it's this

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<v Speaker 4>area around the velevition. You can't call it relevition asparagus

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<v Speaker 4>unless from Elvisham. I've just learned that the little purple

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<v Speaker 4>tips on the spears, that's not normal. Apparently that's just

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<v Speaker 4>an evel Aviv Sham.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's a place. But I understand it's BRITI that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Why it's in Worcestershire. So not not made up, you

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<v Speaker 4>just uh, just it's Worcestershire. By the way, is how

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<v Speaker 4>you pronounce Workshire. No people fucking But it's one of

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<v Speaker 4>those words like it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't actually think that was what it was called,

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<v Speaker 5>but I would actually maybe mispronounce.

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<v Speaker 7>Probably.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it seems like one of those words that really

1:14:44.000 --> 1:14:47.400
<v Speaker 4>flummocks is the American mind. So yeah, I grew up

1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:50.519
<v Speaker 4>nevel Avievsham and in Develovievshim we grow a lot of

1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:54.080
<v Speaker 4>asparagus and very proud of it. So we have an

1:14:54.080 --> 1:14:57.000
<v Speaker 4>asparagus festival if you want to get really like hokey

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<v Speaker 4>and English, which people in England do be loving to do,

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<v Speaker 4>especially people of a certain ethnicity that like, do you

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<v Speaker 4>generally pick asparagus from Saint George's Day to Midsummer's Day?

1:15:09.960 --> 1:15:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Saint George is the patrons of England and Catalonia. So

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<v Speaker 4>if you want to get really sort of parochial about it,

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<v Speaker 4>you can get a little nationalistic on the asparagus. I

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<v Speaker 4>think most people don't. But it started in Evesham. Evesham

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<v Speaker 4>used to have an asparagus festival. We have little mascot

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<v Speaker 4>right dressed as and asparagus as.

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<v Speaker 5>You do, like literally a man in an asparagus outfit,

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<v Speaker 5>like walking around.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So there have been two generations. The first one

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<v Speaker 4>I think we've mentioned the purple tips and that it

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<v Speaker 4>just looks like a dick. He looked a lot like

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<v Speaker 4>a day he looked like a ganger and us penis, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean fertility was known for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this one didn't look fertile. This one look best avoided.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm honest, I looked like they retired him in

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<v Speaker 4>two thousand and they and we're faced in with gusty

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<v Speaker 4>asparagus man who, if I mines, doesn't look as asparagusy

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<v Speaker 4>because they've given him sort of a flower tip, like.

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<v Speaker 5>A broccoli looking thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it looks a bit like a wheat, kind of weedy,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of mapley. It's not full asparagus. There's also an

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<v Speaker 4>asparagus fairy. I've seen. I've not personally come across the

1:16:21.560 --> 1:16:24.920
<v Speaker 4>asparagus fairy, but I've seen that into fairy. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 4>want to let me disdrop this in the Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 4>told me about the fucking fairy. It's just a non

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<v Speaker 4>stop learning journey for hery.

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<v Speaker 5>Insane first the stained glass, but I still can throughout

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<v Speaker 5>the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, yeah y'all what? Yeah, Well, maybe we'll make this

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<v Speaker 4>the the.

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<v Speaker 3>Image for the image.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a great image.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a classic image. Yes, you've got a man dressed

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<v Speaker 4>as King Saint George, not King George.

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<v Speaker 5>Different faces onto that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that would be great it it'll be highly entertaining.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, you can, you can go now. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's in Bredford, yet it is in Breadforton where you

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<v Speaker 4>can have the Asparagus Festival. And what the festival is

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<v Speaker 4>is like the first auction of asparagus, right, and then

1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:12.800
<v Speaker 4>they'll auction that off for a local cause. Normally the

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<v Speaker 4>first you know, the first full bundle of asparagus verus

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<v Speaker 4>round it's called, and that will immediately get brought up

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<v Speaker 4>by someone. People buy hundreds of pounds for it. Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they rush it off to their restaurant in London, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and they make it for their fancy people to pay

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<v Speaker 4>fancy money for this fancy vegetable. Famously, Famously, I perhaps

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<v Speaker 4>overstated that Gus the Asparagus Man was refused entry to

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<v Speaker 4>the Houses of Parliament in the United Kingdom maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 4>ten fifteen years ago now because it's costume primented a

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<v Speaker 4>security risk. Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Wait okay, as someone who's had asparagus in an asparagus town,

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<v Speaker 5>and also here is there a difference in taste?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Fresh asparagus is a lot better

1:17:57.280 --> 1:18:00.080
<v Speaker 4>when you get it in American shops. It's very woody like.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't have that I would describe raw asparagus where

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<v Speaker 4>it's fresh. You know when you get peas and you've

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<v Speaker 4>grown peas, you're having the peas. Yeah, so it has that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>love a fresh pea. So it's got that kind of

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<v Speaker 4>you can take that however you want. It's got that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of pea freshness and sweetness to it.

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<v Speaker 5>That's really good.

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<v Speaker 4>It is really good, Scharene. That's why we have a

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<v Speaker 4>whole thing about it.

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<v Speaker 5>How good asparagu It's not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to grow some.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't seek it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we'll go on a world tour. We'll doe there'll

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<v Speaker 4>be a nice combination. Actually, you're going to see chin asparagus.

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<v Speaker 4>So what you're doing with the asparagus, right, you cut

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<v Speaker 4>it and you just get its hand cut right. You're

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<v Speaker 4>not going through like a combine harvester to do this.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going through the little knife, serrated knife sharp on

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<v Speaker 4>the back side. You just cutting the stalks and you

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<v Speaker 4>immediately you level them off right at the base, so

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<v Speaker 4>you sort of so that the point to tips are level,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you just cut across the base. So some

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<v Speaker 4>of them are going to have more of the woody

1:18:56.200 --> 1:18:59.280
<v Speaker 4>white bass than others. The parts the green part has

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<v Speaker 4>been above. The toy on in the white puts below

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<v Speaker 4>right right. So you're doing them. You get you're around

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<v Speaker 4>or you get your have many sparagus, you're getting right.

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<v Speaker 4>You get it very fresh. Often when at least when

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<v Speaker 4>we were buy it, we would just buy it like

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<v Speaker 4>from farm shops or by the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 4>We never grew it because it was just like a

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<v Speaker 4>lot You could get a lot more from just doing

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<v Speaker 4>other vegetables. But you'd buy it the day it was harvested,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you drive it home immediately put it into

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<v Speaker 4>boiling water just briefly, right, and then you pop it

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<v Speaker 4>out and you don't need to cook it for very

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<v Speaker 4>long if it's good, if you don't want to cook

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<v Speaker 4>it for very long rate, just just softening it a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit. And then if you have it with there's

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<v Speaker 4>original way to have it. It's with butter, which kind

1:19:37.760 --> 1:19:41.639
<v Speaker 4>of you know, does away with the cereal cholesterol benefit.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice to dip in a in a soft.

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<v Speaker 5>Boiled and curious. I mean, the health stuff was just

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<v Speaker 5>like a fun ti bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's do

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<v Speaker 5>you know how you want?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, have it. However, you want dip it in a

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<v Speaker 4>in a soft boiled egg where you were you boil

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<v Speaker 4>the egg, but the yolk is still run dip the

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<v Speaker 4>asparagusy in Yeah, never even part of that cambo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a good one. It's lots of uh what's a

1:20:02.320 --> 1:20:06.400
<v Speaker 4>good childhood memories or asparagus in the egg? Yeah, lots

1:20:06.439 --> 1:20:09.280
<v Speaker 4>of fun ways to eat it. Other things about the

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<v Speaker 4>vale of vives from asparagus. Yeah, he Gussy the asparagus man.

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<v Speaker 4>He visited the I.

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<v Speaker 5>Want to repeat that. He's called Gus. Sorry, Gus the

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<v Speaker 5>asparagus man.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, he visited the European Parliament where he read and

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<v Speaker 4>there is uh true. Will I see a video of this? Actually, Sreen,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it would be good for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh gosh, So.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's a video of Gusty asparagus man in the European

1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:34.439
<v Speaker 4>Parliament reading a poem. England is crazy one of them

1:20:34.479 --> 1:20:38.400
<v Speaker 4>more like pro oh god, yeah, now you want to

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<v Speaker 4>listen to it as well.

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<v Speaker 5>The Great and Noble Asparagus.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, I'm sorry he's doing it again. He's reading a

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<v Speaker 4>poem about asparagus, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And then he's making a joke about about cider another

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<v Speaker 4>great more of a Hereford product than another great local product.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, yeah, I come from the home home of

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<v Speaker 4>Gussie asparagus man. I've enjoyed many many asparaguy. It's nice

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<v Speaker 4>when we have really miserable like January, February even into

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<v Speaker 4>March in the UK is miserable. Like we get much

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<v Speaker 4>shorter days, right because a bit of being further north,

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<v Speaker 4>it rains a lot, Like we don't get winters like

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<v Speaker 4>American cold places where you get like dry or like

1:21:23.320 --> 1:21:27.000
<v Speaker 4>snowy kind of winters. We just get like right around

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<v Speaker 4>freezing and raining a lot of the time, which is

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<v Speaker 4>the worst weather that is possible to have. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>just fucking miserable. So like when you're having the asparagus,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like a nice sign days. Our summer days are

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<v Speaker 4>really long as well, so you're getting these nice long

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<v Speaker 4>summer days. You're like starting to get like it comes

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<v Speaker 4>after what they call the hungry gap, right that time

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<v Speaker 4>in like February March where you're not getting as many

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<v Speaker 4>of your fresh vegetables sort of the time when you're

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<v Speaker 4>not really harvesting very much, so you've only got like

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<v Speaker 4>your storage stuff, right, your apples and potatoes, and so

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<v Speaker 4>after that you get your asparagus. It's the start of

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<v Speaker 4>your spring vege. So it's a nice little, nice little

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<v Speaker 4>celebration of springtime.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I didn't know anything about asparagus other

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<v Speaker 5>than it made your pea smell until this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Son't even make your pea smell. Would say, is that

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<v Speaker 4>the asparagene.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, okay, asparagus is your pea smell because what asparagus

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<v Speaker 5>is digested, asparagustic acid gets broken down into sulfur containing byproducts,

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<v Speaker 5>and sulfur smells like eggs and also apparently can smell

1:22:30.600 --> 1:22:33.160
<v Speaker 5>like pea because sulfur in general is not pleasant to

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<v Speaker 5>the smell. And then when you peet, these byproducts evaporate

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<v Speaker 5>almost immediately, and this is what you this is what

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<v Speaker 5>causes you to smell that very unpleasant scent.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you could tell if someone's find out the asparagus.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought the answer is usually sulfur when it comes

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<v Speaker 5>to food and smells.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah it is. Yeah, bad eggs too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to end this episode with just a tale

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<v Speaker 5>of a town in the US where it had their

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<v Speaker 5>of king asparagus.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to just wow, Okay, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about this for a moment.

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<v Speaker 5>It was once the biggest US producers of asparagus. Less

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<v Speaker 5>than a century ago, the town of Aiken, South Carolina,

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<v Speaker 5>was known as one of the asparagus capitals of the US.

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<v Speaker 5>From the mid eighteenth through the mid twentieth centuries, cotton

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<v Speaker 5>was the South's predominant crop, and Aichen was no exception

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<v Speaker 5>to this. Just before the Civil War, cotton comprised nearly

1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:32.360
<v Speaker 5>sixty percent of all American exports. The phrase King Cotton

1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:35.400
<v Speaker 5>which was made famous by then Senator and then future

1:23:35.479 --> 1:23:39.839
<v Speaker 5>Governor James Henry Hammond. He implied that the European industry

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<v Speaker 5>depended heavily on Southern cotton. He owned the Redcliffe Plantation

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<v Speaker 5>in Beach Island, Aikin County. Enslaved people obviously provided the

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<v Speaker 5>labor for cotton cultivation, and so him, along with scores

1:23:53.760 --> 1:23:56.759
<v Speaker 5>of other plantation owners. He hoped that buyers of Southern

1:23:56.840 --> 1:24:01.519
<v Speaker 5>cotton would fight against the blockade enacted by Lincoln's federal forces,

1:24:02.040 --> 1:24:05.120
<v Speaker 5>and Southerners, because of this, were certain that their cotton

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<v Speaker 5>exports were so crucial that Europeans would surely back the

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<v Speaker 5>South in the event of a Civil war. Spoiler alert

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<v Speaker 5>that did not happen, and then by eighteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 5>the outcome of the Civil War had planters looking at

1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:23.320
<v Speaker 5>their commercial ventures in a new way. Farmers broke their

1:24:23.360 --> 1:24:25.960
<v Speaker 5>dependence on cotton, and they desperately tried to find and

1:24:26.080 --> 1:24:30.400
<v Speaker 5>locate another king crop. A variety of crops could thrive

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<v Speaker 5>in the warm, sandy soil of Achen. The first reference

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<v Speaker 5>to asparagus being grown as a commercial crop in South

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<v Speaker 5>Carolina can be found in a nineteen oh three pamphlet

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<v Speaker 5>called Asparagus Its Culture for Home and for Market. According

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<v Speaker 5>to the pamphlet, the crop was first grown commercially in Charleston,

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<v Speaker 5>where farmers produced a specific variety called palmetto. It was

1:24:54.040 --> 1:24:57.519
<v Speaker 5>cultivated especially to flourish in the southern climate, and soon

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<v Speaker 5>this specialized variety spread into a Bacon, Williston, and Bamberg counties.

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<v Speaker 5>By nineteen eighteen, the Clemson University Department of Agricultural Economics

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<v Speaker 5>reported that the state had about eleven hundred acres of

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<v Speaker 5>asparagus under cultivation. Fast forward to nineteen thirty seven, this

1:25:16.160 --> 1:25:20.200
<v Speaker 5>number increased to eighty seven hundred acres. So area residents

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<v Speaker 5>enjoyed their share of fresh asparagus, but most of it

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<v Speaker 5>was sent to New York City, Philadelphia, and Washington, d c.

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<v Speaker 5>From the nineteen twenties through the mid nineteen fifties, asparagus

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<v Speaker 5>was gathered daily and shipped by train to its northern destinations.

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<v Speaker 5>Shippers often wrapped the delicate spears and Spanish moss gathered

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<v Speaker 5>from the live oak trees that abounded the city. The

1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:47.000
<v Speaker 5>crop flourished commercially for almost thirty years until production slowed

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<v Speaker 5>down in nineteen fifty three. World War II may have

1:25:50.400 --> 1:25:53.479
<v Speaker 5>lessened the workforce available to farm the crop, or perhaps

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<v Speaker 5>the marketing success from the California competitors was more effective

1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:00.759
<v Speaker 5>than South Carolina's. It is also possible let the varieties

1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:03.800
<v Speaker 5>grow an Achen and the surrounding areas were more susceptible

1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:08.479
<v Speaker 5>to diseases that weakened the crops, and so although several

1:26:08.560 --> 1:26:13.320
<v Speaker 5>farms near Achen still grow asparagus, according to aichinregional dot com,

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<v Speaker 5>the reign of King Asparagus is over.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah not here, still king in my heart.

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<v Speaker 5>I just thought that was a funny little tail, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's asparagus for you. Thank you, James for motivating this knowledge.

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<v Speaker 4>That I now have it's okay. Take that, carry that

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<v Speaker 4>with you for the rest of your life. Use it wisely.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, and yeah, that's this episode of it could

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<v Speaker 5>happen here Until next time, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know to sleep.

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<v Speaker 8>Bye, hello, and welcome back to it could happen here.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm your occasional host, Molly Conger, and it's just me today.

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<v Speaker 8>But I've got a weird one for you now. I

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<v Speaker 8>don't know if you remember, but a few months ago

1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:17.759
<v Speaker 8>I did an episode about a ring of Hitler loving

1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:21.759
<v Speaker 8>zoom bombers running a national campaign to disrupt public meetings.

1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:25.639
<v Speaker 8>Those guys were mostly members of the Goyam Defense League,

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<v Speaker 8>an anti Semitic group of freaks who just love getting

1:27:28.240 --> 1:27:31.280
<v Speaker 8>a rise out of people. They were calling themselves the

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<v Speaker 8>City Council Death Squad, and they've disrupted hundreds of virtual

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<v Speaker 8>public meetings from coast to coast over the last year,

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<v Speaker 8>everything from zoning boards in New Jersey to city council

1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:44.560
<v Speaker 8>meetings in California, even dipping their toe into messing with

1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:48.760
<v Speaker 8>online meetings of alcoholics anonymous. They mostly seem motivated by

1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:51.639
<v Speaker 8>their insatiable need to force strangers to hear them say

1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:54.080
<v Speaker 8>the N word. But I do think they understand that

1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:58.240
<v Speaker 8>their behavior limits people's access to local government. Many of

1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:01.360
<v Speaker 8>the cities they targeted responded by ending virtual participation in

1:28:01.439 --> 1:28:05.160
<v Speaker 8>government meetings. That means fewer people participate. It's harder to

1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:08.559
<v Speaker 8>engage with local government, and people just generally feel less

1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:11.200
<v Speaker 8>safe and less motivated to pursue the kinds of redress

1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:14.479
<v Speaker 8>available to them through local democracy. And I'm glad we

1:28:14.560 --> 1:28:16.920
<v Speaker 8>did the episode. I heard from people in maybe a

1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:19.280
<v Speaker 8>dozen cities all over the country who found the episode

1:28:19.320 --> 1:28:21.240
<v Speaker 8>online when they were trying to figure out what the

1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:23.880
<v Speaker 8>hell happened at their own meeting and the guy's doing it.

1:28:24.080 --> 1:28:26.640
<v Speaker 8>Liked the episode so much that now they use my

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<v Speaker 8>name when they call into meetings to scream slurs, which

1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:32.800
<v Speaker 8>is a less positive outcome, But what can you do.

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<v Speaker 8>I assume if the mayor of Redlands, California googles me,

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<v Speaker 8>he'll figure out I wasn't the one doing Holocaust denial

1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:42.080
<v Speaker 8>at his meeting. But overall, this seems like the kind

1:28:42.120 --> 1:28:45.040
<v Speaker 8>of thing that will be prosecute able, especially considering we

1:28:45.160 --> 1:28:48.479
<v Speaker 8>know the real names of many of the group's ringleaders. Well,

1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:52.400
<v Speaker 8>someone has finally been indicted for orchestrating hateful zoom bombing

1:28:52.439 --> 1:28:56.760
<v Speaker 8>and virtual city council meetings. But it isn't them, It's

1:28:56.840 --> 1:29:02.080
<v Speaker 8>something much, much weirder. Last month, FEDS unsealed an indictment

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<v Speaker 8>against a man named Mohammad al Hashemi. He's a Syrian

1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:10.000
<v Speaker 8>national from Albania currently living in England, and according to

1:29:10.040 --> 1:29:12.720
<v Speaker 8>the federal prosecutor, he was the mastermind behind a zoom

1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:15.200
<v Speaker 8>bombing ring that targeted the Fresno City Council in the

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<v Speaker 8>summer of twenty twenty. He's been charged with one count

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<v Speaker 8>of engaging in repeated harassing communication, one count of engaging

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<v Speaker 8>in anonymous telecommunications harassment, three counts of a classic eighteen USC.

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<v Speaker 8>Eight seventy five C transmitting threatening communications, and one count

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<v Speaker 8>of conspiracy for doing all of the above. Right, So

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<v Speaker 8>there's a conspiracy, and then those other charges represent the

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<v Speaker 8>over acts of that conspiracy. Now, again, I'm not a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll tell you that every time. I don't know all

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<v Speaker 8>the laws, and so this is the first time I'm

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<v Speaker 8>realizing that harassing someone by phone is a federal crime.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, it makes sense, right, of course, that's illegal

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<v Speaker 8>at the federal level too. I just didn't think about

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<v Speaker 8>that the last time we were talking about zoom bombing.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, the obvious charge is interstate threats. If you

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<v Speaker 8>make a threat using a phone, the internet, or the mail,

1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:09.519
<v Speaker 8>that's federal territory. But prosecutors are sometimes a little gun

1:30:09.560 --> 1:30:13.080
<v Speaker 8>shy about threats. They want a slam dunk case. They

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<v Speaker 8>want a true threat, right, something that is undeniably an

1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:19.840
<v Speaker 8>actual threat, before they'll bring a case like that. So

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<v Speaker 8>I thought they'd have to get a little creative if

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<v Speaker 8>they wanted to indict zoom bombers. But if you're just

1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:29.840
<v Speaker 8>talking about harassing phone calls, it's actually pretty straightforward to

1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:32.840
<v Speaker 8>bring a federal case against the guys doing this. So

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<v Speaker 8>two of the charges of the indictment are for different

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<v Speaker 8>subsections of forty seven USC. Two twenty three Obscene or

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<v Speaker 8>harassing phone calls. Subsection A one C is making a

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<v Speaker 8>telephone call or utilizing a telecommunications device, right, So that

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<v Speaker 8>means it doesn't have to be a literal telephone. It

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<v Speaker 8>can be a zoom call. It can be in any

1:30:50.479 --> 1:30:54.040
<v Speaker 8>kind of telecommunications device like text message, et cetera. Whether

1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:57.680
<v Speaker 8>or not conversation or communication ensues, which means you know,

1:30:57.800 --> 1:30:59.519
<v Speaker 8>repeated harassing hang up calls.

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<v Speaker 7>Count two.

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<v Speaker 8>You don't even have to say anything without disclosing his

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<v Speaker 8>identity and with the intent to abuse, threatn or harass

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<v Speaker 8>a specific person, So this subsection is specific to the

1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:13.080
<v Speaker 8>fact that they were using fake names. And then subsection

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<v Speaker 8>A one E is making repeated telephone calls or repeatedly

1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:21.000
<v Speaker 8>initiating communication with the telecommunications device during which conversation or

1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:25.320
<v Speaker 8>communication ensues solely to harass any specific person. Both of

1:31:25.360 --> 1:31:28.000
<v Speaker 8>those counts carry a maximum sentence of two years, and

1:31:28.040 --> 1:31:31.200
<v Speaker 8>they're usually just punished with a fine, not that serious.

1:31:31.720 --> 1:31:34.160
<v Speaker 8>The other counts are a little more serious. Interstate threatening

1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:36.599
<v Speaker 8>communications can get you up to five years per count,

1:31:37.080 --> 1:31:39.120
<v Speaker 8>and some of these calls had some pretty violent language.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm interested to see how they move forward with the threats,

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<v Speaker 8>though the actual intent or ability to carry out a

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<v Speaker 8>threat doesn't necessarily matter if the person the threat was

1:31:48.080 --> 1:31:50.519
<v Speaker 8>made to was in reasonable fear from it, but I'm

1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:52.640
<v Speaker 8>sure we'll see It argued that he was in Albania

1:31:52.720 --> 1:31:55.080
<v Speaker 8>he never planned to go to Fresno to hurt people.

1:31:55.880 --> 1:31:57.880
<v Speaker 8>The obvious counter to that, though, is that he did

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<v Speaker 8>literally say he was in Fresno, and there was no

1:32:00.479 --> 1:32:03.439
<v Speaker 8>obvious indication to the victims that that wasn't true, and

1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:07.280
<v Speaker 8>he's also charged with conspiracy. The indictment refers multiple times

1:32:07.320 --> 1:32:10.400
<v Speaker 8>to unnamed co conspirators, so this isn't just one guy

1:32:10.560 --> 1:32:13.560
<v Speaker 8>making racist, praying phone calls. This is an organized and

1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:16.639
<v Speaker 8>intentional conspiracy to engage in harassment and threats.

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<v Speaker 4>That conspiracy is a little grim.

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<v Speaker 8>The FBI in the UK's Metropolitan Police Force did find

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<v Speaker 8>an interview at least nine members of the group they're

1:32:27.200 --> 1:32:30.559
<v Speaker 8>saying Alhacemi was leading, and the reason they aren't named

1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:34.600
<v Speaker 8>is because they are children. The children interviewed by the

1:32:34.760 --> 1:32:37.639
<v Speaker 8>FBI had pretty consistent accounts. Once there was a federal

1:32:37.720 --> 1:32:39.720
<v Speaker 8>agent in their living room telling their mom about the

1:32:39.800 --> 1:32:43.720
<v Speaker 8>Albanian Nazi they'd been chatting with on roadblocks. Okay, not

1:32:43.920 --> 1:32:47.680
<v Speaker 8>exactly roadblocks, that's a little hyperbolic, but the raids were

1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:50.720
<v Speaker 8>coordinated on a platform called Gilded, which is kind of

1:32:50.840 --> 1:32:53.560
<v Speaker 8>like Discord and is owned by the same company as Roadblocks,

1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:57.280
<v Speaker 8>so it's mostly used by gamers to talk about gaming,

1:32:57.800 --> 1:33:00.639
<v Speaker 8>but also apparently for doing federal crimes. But the kids

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<v Speaker 8>all said the group's leaders were users named Encino. That's

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<v Speaker 8>i ns e E n O, not in Sino like Incino.

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<v Speaker 8>Man the poly Shore movie and Sapper. Many of the

1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:15.840
<v Speaker 8>kids correctly ascertained that Encino, the user FEDS have identified

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<v Speaker 8>as Al Hashemi, was older than they were and European,

1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:22.920
<v Speaker 8>but spoke English very well. I went back and pulled

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<v Speaker 8>the public access TV recordings of some of those meetings

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<v Speaker 8>and listened to the calls attributed to Alhachemi, and he

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<v Speaker 8>really doesn't have an accent that I could hear. You know,

1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:32.880
<v Speaker 8>you don't got a hand it to him or anything.

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<v Speaker 8>But he does say the N word like a red

1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:38.759
<v Speaker 8>blooded American racist, so I guess he had some practice.

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<v Speaker 8>The kid, interviewed by the Metropolitan Police Service at his parents'

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<v Speaker 8>house in London, said that Sapper was a college student

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<v Speaker 8>in the United Arab Emirates, although in the footnotes the

1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:50.800
<v Speaker 8>FBI agent indicates that actually Sapper is in Jordan, but

1:33:51.360 --> 1:33:54.240
<v Speaker 8>you know, close enough for a teenager. I can't find

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<v Speaker 8>any information about whether or not charges are being pursued

1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:59.280
<v Speaker 8>against that user, either in the US or in Jordan.

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<v Speaker 8>He isn't identified by name at all, but he does

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<v Speaker 8>appear to be the only other adult discussed in that document.

1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:09.599
<v Speaker 8>The English teenager said Sapper loves spamming, the calls they

1:34:09.720 --> 1:34:13.920
<v Speaker 8>raid with isis gore videos. The criminal complaint details seven

1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:16.320
<v Speaker 8>incidents of zoom raids in June and July of twenty

1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:19.040
<v Speaker 8>twenty five of which were meetings of the Presno City Council.

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<v Speaker 8>One was a Jewish religious service conducted by Zoom in Albuquerque,

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<v Speaker 8>New Mexico, and the other was some random couple's wedding

1:34:25.840 --> 1:34:29.439
<v Speaker 8>in upstate New York. But the incidents described in detail

1:34:29.479 --> 1:34:31.960
<v Speaker 8>in the complaint are clearly not the only ones that happened,

1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:36.120
<v Speaker 8>just the only ones being charged at this time. When

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<v Speaker 8>FBI agents interviewed a thirteen year old boy in Oregon,

1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:41.000
<v Speaker 8>he told them the group's leader also enjoyed zoom bombing

1:34:41.160 --> 1:34:45.439
<v Speaker 8>parent teacher conferences, specifically at schools that had had past

1:34:45.560 --> 1:34:50.120
<v Speaker 8>active shooter events. The boy said, Encino again, that's al Hachemi,

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<v Speaker 8>according to the complaint, loves to offend people and talks

1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:58.160
<v Speaker 8>about racist things more than anyone else. But you know

1:34:58.200 --> 1:35:02.959
<v Speaker 8>who doesn't love to offend people. The sponsors of this show.

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<v Speaker 8>I hope you enjoyed those products and services. Hopefully none

1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:15.920
<v Speaker 8>of them were. Four online chat platforms where European neo

1:35:15.960 --> 1:35:20.280
<v Speaker 8>Nazis are recruiting your kids, all right, So all these

1:35:20.320 --> 1:35:23.479
<v Speaker 8>criminal charges here are related to conduct that occurred in

1:35:23.520 --> 1:35:27.200
<v Speaker 8>the span of less than five weeks four full years ago.

1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:30.400
<v Speaker 8>But for as long as it took to actually indict Alhacemi,

1:35:30.479 --> 1:35:33.000
<v Speaker 8>it looks like the FEDS acted pretty quickly. After the

1:35:33.040 --> 1:35:35.640
<v Speaker 8>first few threats were made. They were sitting at the

1:35:35.680 --> 1:35:38.280
<v Speaker 8>dining room table talking to a kid identified as RB

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<v Speaker 8>by August twenty seventh, barely two months after the call started.

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<v Speaker 8>RB is described as a juvenile with a history of

1:35:45.880 --> 1:35:50.320
<v Speaker 8>making threats who lives in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Obviously, it's

1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:53.439
<v Speaker 8>impossible to identify this minor, and probably not a good

1:35:53.479 --> 1:35:55.800
<v Speaker 8>idea to do even if I could, But I am

1:35:55.920 --> 1:35:58.479
<v Speaker 8>dying to know what exactly that history of threats looks like.

1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:01.040
<v Speaker 8>I found a couple of news stories in the year

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<v Speaker 8>or two before this about teens in the Spartanburg area

1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:06.840
<v Speaker 8>who'd been arrested for making threats. Now, Obviously, again, even

1:36:06.880 --> 1:36:09.200
<v Speaker 8>in those news stories, if a miner is arrested and

1:36:09.240 --> 1:36:11.799
<v Speaker 8>are identified, so there's no way to sort of connect

1:36:11.880 --> 1:36:15.280
<v Speaker 8>these two unnamed teens. But I did find a story

1:36:15.280 --> 1:36:18.000
<v Speaker 8>about a ninth grader who posted a snapchat on the

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<v Speaker 8>day of the Parkland school shooting in twenty eighteen, I

1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:23.400
<v Speaker 8>was a photo of the teenager holding a realistic fake

1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:28.719
<v Speaker 8>gun with the caption round two of Florida tomorrow. Again,

1:36:28.720 --> 1:36:30.640
<v Speaker 8>it's impossible to say if there's any connection, but the

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<v Speaker 8>general age, location, and interest in school shootings definitely caught

1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:38.880
<v Speaker 8>my eye. Another member of the group, identified as a

1:36:39.000 --> 1:36:42.920
<v Speaker 8>miner named CG in North Caldwell, New Jersey, sometimes used

1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:46.080
<v Speaker 8>the name Adam Lanza during the zoom raids, an homage

1:36:46.120 --> 1:36:48.880
<v Speaker 8>to the Sandy Hook school shooter, and when the FBI

1:36:49.040 --> 1:36:51.680
<v Speaker 8>was chatting with RB on August twenty seventh, he told

1:36:51.760 --> 1:36:54.240
<v Speaker 8>him about another user in the discord who posted often

1:36:54.280 --> 1:36:57.000
<v Speaker 8>about his desire to carry out a school shooting and

1:36:57.120 --> 1:37:00.960
<v Speaker 8>wanting to kill a Few days after that, the FBI

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<v Speaker 8>agents were sitting down with that thirteen year old boy

1:37:03.320 --> 1:37:06.880
<v Speaker 8>and his parents in Oregon. That boy, identified as PM,

1:37:07.160 --> 1:37:10.120
<v Speaker 8>told the agents that Encino wasn't just interested in zoom bombing,

1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:14.040
<v Speaker 8>but the group also dosed people, naming a bizarre list

1:37:14.080 --> 1:37:17.040
<v Speaker 8>of targets ranging from Jewish leaders to yoga teachers and

1:37:17.120 --> 1:37:21.160
<v Speaker 8>cooking classes. PM also told the agents that Encino had

1:37:21.240 --> 1:37:23.880
<v Speaker 8>docksed a former member of the group, a girl identified

1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:27.519
<v Speaker 8>in a footnote as LT, after a disagreement over whether

1:37:27.600 --> 1:37:29.639
<v Speaker 8>or not they should be using so many racial slurs

1:37:29.640 --> 1:37:32.880
<v Speaker 8>in the prank phone calls. Now I know, I said

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<v Speaker 8>it wasn't possible or even advisable to try to identify

1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:40.439
<v Speaker 8>these miners, but it turns out it is possible, and

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<v Speaker 8>she's not a miner anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe the rule is if you're old enough to drive drunk,

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<v Speaker 8>you're old enough to get talked about on a podcast.

1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:49.400
<v Speaker 8>She's got a court date coming up for a DUI

1:37:49.479 --> 1:37:53.280
<v Speaker 8>arrest in April. The girl identified as LT was docked

1:37:53.320 --> 1:37:55.519
<v Speaker 8>by the group's leader in July twenty twenty, when she

1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:58.360
<v Speaker 8>was just sixteen, and we only have that thirteen year

1:37:58.360 --> 1:38:00.479
<v Speaker 8>old as firing school shooter's word for it as to

1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:03.800
<v Speaker 8>why she left the group. Maybe it is possible that

1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:06.920
<v Speaker 8>she disagreed with the racial slur heavy call scripts, but

1:38:07.040 --> 1:38:09.320
<v Speaker 8>I don't think that's because she's not a huge fan

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<v Speaker 8>of racism. She shows up that same year in leaked

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<v Speaker 8>discord chats from the servers Groper Haven and Nick Fuentes Unofficial,

1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:21.799
<v Speaker 8>both servers for fans of Nick Quente's She identifies herself

1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:25.960
<v Speaker 8>as a paleo conservative, Christian monarchist and claims to know

1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:30.120
<v Speaker 8>Nick Quentez. Then another user asked her if she likes Nick.

1:38:30.240 --> 1:38:34.280
<v Speaker 2>She says, yeah, he's cool, but she takes issue with

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<v Speaker 2>the fact.

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<v Speaker 8>That he wants to marry a white woman because he is,

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<v Speaker 8>in her eyes, not white, and says whites are better

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<v Speaker 8>than any other race and we need to stay inside

1:38:43.800 --> 1:38:47.959
<v Speaker 8>of our own race. A few sort of vestigial stitches

1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:51.439
<v Speaker 8>of videos with her now banned TikTok account show her

1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:53.880
<v Speaker 8>in a Trump shirt and Maga hat giving the camera

1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:58.040
<v Speaker 8>this weird Kubrick stare as. The text girls that think

1:38:58.080 --> 1:39:02.439
<v Speaker 8>communists should be jailed appears over her head. You know,

1:39:02.560 --> 1:39:06.719
<v Speaker 8>kids will be kids, right, Just classic kids stuff, wanting

1:39:06.760 --> 1:39:09.960
<v Speaker 8>to imprison your political enemies and being really opposed to

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<v Speaker 8>race mixing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 8>Last summer, she gave a speech about canceled culture to

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<v Speaker 8>the Burkes County Patriots, an anti government extremist group that

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<v Speaker 8>sent charter buses to the insurrection, and public records show

1:39:21.040 --> 1:39:23.600
<v Speaker 8>she received a stipend as a legislative intern at the

1:39:23.640 --> 1:39:28.320
<v Speaker 8>Pennsylvania House of Representatives. The teenage Groper to legislative Aid

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<v Speaker 8>pipeline is something that should concern us all a little

1:39:30.960 --> 1:39:34.360
<v Speaker 8>bit more. But doxing LT seems to have frightened some

1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:37.240
<v Speaker 8>of the other kids. PM that's thirteen year old in

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<v Speaker 8>Oregon told agents he was worried the group would dox

1:39:39.560 --> 1:39:42.439
<v Speaker 8>him if he tried to leave BO. A minor in

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<v Speaker 8>North Carolina told agents he believed in Sino had access

1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:49.080
<v Speaker 8>to his computer by a spyware. AM, a seventeen year

1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:51.920
<v Speaker 8>old in Maryland, provided agents with screenshots showing in Sino

1:39:52.000 --> 1:39:56.320
<v Speaker 8>had posted his address and discussed having him swatted. And

1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:59.599
<v Speaker 8>this is such a messy, ugly thing, right, So first

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<v Speaker 8>of all, the are kids. They're kids, right, One of

1:40:02.960 --> 1:40:06.200
<v Speaker 8>them is as young as thirteen, and that has to

1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:08.760
<v Speaker 8>be front of mind in all of this. But even

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<v Speaker 8>if they lack the frontal lobe capacity to really understand

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<v Speaker 8>the consequences of saying you're going to kill someone, this

1:40:15.760 --> 1:40:20.559
<v Speaker 8>isn't just normal kid acting out behavior, right. PM told

1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:23.639
<v Speaker 8>other users he wanted to shoot up his school. AM

1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:27.120
<v Speaker 8>posted often about wanting to build bombs and blow things

1:40:27.240 --> 1:40:30.880
<v Speaker 8>up and expressed a lot of interest in isis. They

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<v Speaker 8>were all calling into these meetings and saying the most shocking,

1:40:33.439 --> 1:40:36.720
<v Speaker 8>upsetting things they could think of, and it's not one

1:40:36.800 --> 1:40:40.360
<v Speaker 8>hundred percent clear why right, Like they didn't all necessarily

1:40:40.520 --> 1:40:46.120
<v Speaker 8>have the same motivations or understandings. A teenager identified as

1:40:46.200 --> 1:40:49.000
<v Speaker 8>kh told agents the goal is to create such a

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<v Speaker 8>disturbance that the hosts have no choice but determinate the meeting.

1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:56.160
<v Speaker 8>Hurting people's feelings along the way is completely in bounds,

1:40:57.000 --> 1:40:58.800
<v Speaker 8>and the slurs were just a means to that end.

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<v Speaker 8>He said they would quote just have fun in there.

1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:07.400
<v Speaker 8>Am told agents he was just posting quote random things,

1:41:08.479 --> 1:41:12.559
<v Speaker 8>but he also admitted he hates Jews, and so maybe

1:41:12.600 --> 1:41:15.120
<v Speaker 8>it's a meaningless exercise to try to nail down exactly

1:41:15.200 --> 1:41:18.320
<v Speaker 8>how ideologically committed these teens were to this project of

1:41:18.400 --> 1:41:22.000
<v Speaker 8>racial and religious harassment. But Ala Sheemi is also not

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<v Speaker 8>the first Nazi to see the value in recruiting teens online.

1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:29.040
<v Speaker 8>They may just be kids talking shit right now, but

1:41:29.120 --> 1:41:31.280
<v Speaker 8>if you hear a kid talking this type of shit,

1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:36.400
<v Speaker 8>don't brush it off right This starts somewhere, This edgy, shocking,

1:41:36.600 --> 1:41:41.040
<v Speaker 8>un serious sort of four chan style racism crystallizes into

1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:44.800
<v Speaker 8>serious ideological commitment for some of them. And I hope

1:41:44.800 --> 1:41:47.320
<v Speaker 8>these kids' parents were able to provide some meaningful intervention

1:41:47.400 --> 1:41:49.400
<v Speaker 8>after they found out what their kids were up to online.

1:41:50.840 --> 1:41:53.040
<v Speaker 8>And back to that timeline, right, So the indictment only

1:41:53.120 --> 1:41:56.040
<v Speaker 8>lists the June twenty twenty calls as the overt acts

1:41:56.080 --> 1:41:58.599
<v Speaker 8>of the conspiracy, but the date range for the charge

1:41:58.640 --> 1:42:02.519
<v Speaker 8>conduct is actually May twenty twenty to February twenty twenty two,

1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:06.080
<v Speaker 8>and maybe that means they plan to introduce additional evidence

1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:09.599
<v Speaker 8>of other calls to support the conspiracy claim. It's hard

1:42:09.640 --> 1:42:12.479
<v Speaker 8>to say. They're being pretty tight lipped about it. Reporting

1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:14.479
<v Speaker 8>by Jason Koebler for four or four Media says the

1:42:14.520 --> 1:42:17.200
<v Speaker 8>Department of Justice declined to comment on the possibility of

1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:20.760
<v Speaker 8>anyone else being charged, and the criminal complaint goes into

1:42:20.800 --> 1:42:25.080
<v Speaker 8>some detail by interviewing multiple cooperative miners, But it is

1:42:25.160 --> 1:42:27.600
<v Speaker 8>possible the records they got back from these various platforms

1:42:27.720 --> 1:42:30.240
<v Speaker 8>led them to other co conspirators who are old enough

1:42:30.240 --> 1:42:32.720
<v Speaker 8>to catch a federal charge. There are a lot of

1:42:32.800 --> 1:42:34.479
<v Speaker 8>details missing here that we'll just have to wait for.

1:42:35.080 --> 1:42:38.680
<v Speaker 8>The docket shows that Alihemi has retained an attorney. I

1:42:38.760 --> 1:42:41.040
<v Speaker 8>assume they wouldn't have unsealed the indictment if they didn't

1:42:41.040 --> 1:42:43.880
<v Speaker 8>have him in custody, but there's no information available at

1:42:43.920 --> 1:42:46.400
<v Speaker 8>when or where he was arrested, and how that extradition

1:42:46.520 --> 1:42:50.040
<v Speaker 8>is coming along. And it's interesting to me how incredibly

1:42:50.120 --> 1:42:52.280
<v Speaker 8>similar the mo is in this case to the ring

1:42:52.439 --> 1:42:53.719
<v Speaker 8>led by the Gham Defense League.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, it's not exactly a complicated plan. It's not

1:42:57.360 --> 1:42:59.519
<v Speaker 8>hard to believe that racists who never met each other

1:42:59.520 --> 1:43:01.800
<v Speaker 8>would end deependently arrive at the same gross way of

1:43:01.840 --> 1:43:05.280
<v Speaker 8>bothering people. But take for example, one of the incidents

1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:08.440
<v Speaker 8>in the indictment. The man that they alleged was Alhahemi

1:43:08.479 --> 1:43:10.759
<v Speaker 8>called into the Fresno City Council meeting on June eleventh,

1:43:10.840 --> 1:43:14.040
<v Speaker 8>twenty twenty. During public comment. He pretended to be a

1:43:14.080 --> 1:43:17.280
<v Speaker 8>local resident named Brian, and he started off pretty normal, saying,

1:43:17.320 --> 1:43:19.960
<v Speaker 8>you know, I agree with the previous speaker. He's sort

1:43:19.960 --> 1:43:22.840
<v Speaker 8>of indicating that he's interested in and engaged in the

1:43:22.880 --> 1:43:25.560
<v Speaker 8>topic of the meeting. He expresses an opinion about the

1:43:25.600 --> 1:43:28.640
<v Speaker 8>topic at hand, which happened to be police funding, and

1:43:28.760 --> 1:43:31.840
<v Speaker 8>then suddenly he pivots to a violent call for murder

1:43:31.920 --> 1:43:35.640
<v Speaker 8>of black residence and repeatedly uses the N word. And

1:43:35.720 --> 1:43:37.800
<v Speaker 8>so after that call ends, the council's on high alert

1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:40.679
<v Speaker 8>for disruptive callers, so subsequent members of the group don't

1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:43.439
<v Speaker 8>bother with a script or a backstory. They just start

1:43:43.479 --> 1:43:46.160
<v Speaker 8>shouting slurs the second they connect until they're booted from

1:43:46.200 --> 1:43:46.479
<v Speaker 8>the call.

1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:47.200
<v Speaker 6>Right.

1:43:47.280 --> 1:43:49.439
<v Speaker 8>So in this case, the caller after fake Brian was

1:43:49.520 --> 1:43:52.439
<v Speaker 8>that miner from South Carolina, And when his call connects,

1:43:52.520 --> 1:43:54.400
<v Speaker 8>you can hear him laughing, and he just says the

1:43:54.560 --> 1:43:56.560
<v Speaker 8>N word and they hang up on him. I don't know,

1:43:56.600 --> 1:43:59.040
<v Speaker 8>maybe I'm two hung up on the structural similarities here.

1:43:59.080 --> 1:44:01.680
<v Speaker 8>I guess that's just classic crank call procedure, right. You

1:44:01.760 --> 1:44:04.479
<v Speaker 8>start off with the reasonable ruse, You get the person

1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:06.880
<v Speaker 8>you've called to believe this is a real normal phone call,

1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:09.200
<v Speaker 8>and then you shock and upset them by making a

1:44:09.280 --> 1:44:11.800
<v Speaker 8>hard right turn into the I guess you can't really

1:44:11.840 --> 1:44:14.040
<v Speaker 8>call it a punchline if it's not funny, but you

1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:16.360
<v Speaker 8>know what I mean. But if you took the names

1:44:16.400 --> 1:44:18.560
<v Speaker 8>out of this indictment, you could mistake these descriptions of

1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:21.840
<v Speaker 8>calls for city Council death squad scripts. But they didn't

1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:23.800
<v Speaker 8>start doing their zoom bombing until the summer of twenty

1:44:23.840 --> 1:44:26.599
<v Speaker 8>twenty three, and according to this indictment, the FBI agents

1:44:26.640 --> 1:44:29.320
<v Speaker 8>were having uncomfortable conversations with teenage boys all the way

1:44:29.360 --> 1:44:31.680
<v Speaker 8>back in twenty twenty. So I think if there was

1:44:31.720 --> 1:44:35.360
<v Speaker 8>any overlap between these two zoom bomb rings, we'd know

1:44:35.479 --> 1:44:38.840
<v Speaker 8>by now. I think this is just unrelated racists reaching

1:44:38.880 --> 1:44:41.960
<v Speaker 8>the same horrible conclusion. But if those guys are listening,

1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:45.360
<v Speaker 8>I hope they hear the significance of that timeline. Within

1:44:45.560 --> 1:44:48.680
<v Speaker 8>weeks of that first zoom bomb. In this indictment, they

1:44:48.760 --> 1:44:50.360
<v Speaker 8>had search warrants for the homes of two of the

1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:53.400
<v Speaker 8>miners on those calls. I think a lot of people

1:44:53.439 --> 1:44:57.240
<v Speaker 8>assume that if they don't get caught, they aren't going

1:44:57.320 --> 1:44:59.519
<v Speaker 8>to get caught. You see that a lot on tax

1:44:59.560 --> 1:45:01.439
<v Speaker 8>evasion cases. Right after you do it a few years

1:45:01.479 --> 1:45:03.000
<v Speaker 8>in a row, you figure they're never going to get you,

1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:04.920
<v Speaker 8>so you keep doing it. You get a little bolder,

1:45:05.479 --> 1:45:07.599
<v Speaker 8>But they're just taking their time and building their case.

1:45:08.680 --> 1:45:11.720
<v Speaker 8>Just because you haven't been caught yet, does it mean

1:45:11.760 --> 1:45:12.800
<v Speaker 8>they don't know you're doing it?

1:45:13.400 --> 1:45:14.080
<v Speaker 4>So who knows.

1:45:14.320 --> 1:45:16.880
<v Speaker 8>Maybe we'll see a similar indictment against the GDL guys

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<v Speaker 8>a few years after they started doing it. There's not

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<v Speaker 8>really a button to put on this one. We'll have

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<v Speaker 8>to wait for more filings than Al Hashemi's case to

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<v Speaker 8>learn anything more there, But if you know any teenagers,

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<v Speaker 8>check in with them, make sure they're actually playing roeblocks

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<v Speaker 8>and not being coaxed into doing federal crime by a

1:45:34.640 --> 1:45:38.679
<v Speaker 8>Nazi in Albania. You know what better yet, go outside,

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<v Speaker 8>unplug your router, be free.

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<v Speaker 2>First, no matter what happens, to breathe. It's always good

1:46:02.360 --> 1:46:05.519
<v Speaker 2>advice to breathe, But taking good advice is easier said

1:46:05.600 --> 1:46:08.920
<v Speaker 2>than done. Sometimes the world is so overwhelming that any

1:46:09.000 --> 1:46:11.759
<v Speaker 2>added weight, even the weight of oxygen in your lungs,

1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:14.559
<v Speaker 2>feels like it might be enough to drag you down.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of those times. The last week has

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<v Speaker 2>brought about ten years worth of news, and we are

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<v Speaker 2>all processing the seemingly inevitable coronation of a dictator and

1:46:24.840 --> 1:46:28.479
<v Speaker 2>the sudden hope and possibility inspired by Joe Biden's stepping

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<v Speaker 2>down from the nomination Welcome to It could happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Robert Evans, and this is a podcast about things

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<v Speaker 2>falling apart and sometimes about how to put them back together.

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<v Speaker 2>The last time I sat down to talk with all

1:46:42.160 --> 1:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>of you like this was in the immediate aftermath of

1:46:44.920 --> 1:46:48.839
<v Speaker 2>the Trump assassination attempt just before the Republican National Convention.

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<v Speaker 2>I told you not to panic. That's still good advice.

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<v Speaker 2>I also told you that no matter how bad or

1:46:55.439 --> 1:46:59.919
<v Speaker 2>good things may look, literally anything can happen in US politics,

1:47:00.080 --> 1:47:03.480
<v Speaker 2>and by god, it has. I felt it was necessary

1:47:03.560 --> 1:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>to deliver that message because I saw an awful lot

1:47:05.960 --> 1:47:10.040
<v Speaker 2>of people declaring We're doomed. Fascism is inevitable, and quite frankly,

1:47:10.439 --> 1:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I think shit like that only helps the fascists. Well,

1:47:14.160 --> 1:47:16.479
<v Speaker 2>it turned out I was right. A lot has happened

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<v Speaker 2>over the last two weeks, and the situation now is

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<v Speaker 2>very different than it was the day the former president

1:47:22.320 --> 1:47:25.840
<v Speaker 2>took that grazing blow from a sniper's bullet. As is

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<v Speaker 2>usually the case and instances like this, I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people reach out to me since that episode,

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<v Speaker 2>saying versions of how did you know? And as good

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<v Speaker 2>as it might be for my career to lean into

1:47:35.439 --> 1:47:37.560
<v Speaker 2>that side of my reputation, the truth is that I

1:47:37.640 --> 1:47:40.040
<v Speaker 2>am white knuckling it through every twist and turn like

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else. I spent the RNC wondering if I'd been

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<v Speaker 2>foolish telling people not to panic, and yes, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>a hell of a lot better right now. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what comes next. I just know that

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<v Speaker 2>we're done with the portion of this mess where we

1:47:54.160 --> 1:47:58.200
<v Speaker 2>spiral in a hopeless mire That was last week. This week,

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<v Speaker 2>the outlook is a lot better. And not because Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris is our savior or because Nancy Pelosi is a

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<v Speaker 2>three D chess master, but because men age and die.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a fact I tried to remind myself of

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<v Speaker 2>as I'd grown through that disastrous debate with the rest

1:48:14.439 --> 1:48:16.920
<v Speaker 2>of the country. On one hand, I felt like we

1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:19.720
<v Speaker 2>were all about to watch one ailing, power hungry man

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<v Speaker 2>hand the keys to the kingdom over to a cadre

1:48:22.120 --> 1:48:26.040
<v Speaker 2>of bloodthirsty fascists. But on the other hand, there's always

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<v Speaker 2>something inherently optimistic in this simple reality. The people who

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<v Speaker 2>would be our rulers will all die someday, and so

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<v Speaker 2>long as men die, liberty will never perish. So long

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<v Speaker 2>as men die, we have hope. I stole that line

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<v Speaker 2>from Charlie Chaplin. He put it in the mouth of

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<v Speaker 2>his character from The Great Dictator, a movie he produced

1:48:46.880 --> 1:48:50.160
<v Speaker 2>at great personal cost in nineteen forty riot. As Hitler

1:48:50.240 --> 1:48:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and the Nazis reached the apex of their power. A

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<v Speaker 2>rational analyst staring out at the playing field after the

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<v Speaker 2>fall of France, could be forgiven for having seen the

1:48:58.560 --> 1:49:03.080
<v Speaker 2>outcome as certain Great Britain stood alone, Hitler's armies victorious

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<v Speaker 2>on every theater, and the future of democracy and human

1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:11.160
<v Speaker 2>liberty gasping for breath. One such rational analyst was Joseph Kennedy,

1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:14.880
<v Speaker 2>US ambassador to Great Britain and patriarch of the Kennedy family.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph was a man of wealth and power, whose sober

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<v Speaker 2>judgment and cunning had seen him short the entire US

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<v Speaker 2>stock market, and the kind of fortune that let him

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<v Speaker 2>buy his way into the ranks of global royalty. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a man who had predicted the future once one big,

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<v Speaker 2>and he let that convince him that he had the

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<v Speaker 2>second sight. And so in November nineteen forty, less than

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<v Speaker 2>a month after the release of the Great Dictator, Kennedy

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<v Speaker 2>found himself in an interview with the Boston Globe, looking

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<v Speaker 2>out at the ruin of Europe and the bombs falling

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<v Speaker 2>on London. He told a reporter, democracy is finished in England.

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<v Speaker 2>It may be here here, of course, being the United States. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The resulting blowback to all of this saw Kennedy force

1:49:55.840 --> 1:49:59.799
<v Speaker 2>to resign his ambassadorship. The very next year, Hitler invaded

1:49:59.840 --> 1:50:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the the Soviet Union, and for several brutal months it

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<v Speaker 2>looked like Joe had been right. Not only might democracy

1:50:06.240 --> 1:50:09.839
<v Speaker 2>be finished, but every system besides fascism might be hurtling

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<v Speaker 2>towards annihilation and bondage under the Swastika, depending on how

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<v Speaker 2>you count it. The Third Reich and fascism as a whole,

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<v Speaker 2>reached its greatest extent of territorial power in either mid

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<v Speaker 2>August or September nineteen forty one. By November of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty one, a year after Joe Kennedy's remarks to the Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>Operation Barbarossa had been wrenched to a bloody halt, and

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<v Speaker 2>the long battle to push the fascists back and drown

1:50:34.720 --> 1:50:37.479
<v Speaker 2>them in the waters of their birth had begun. And

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<v Speaker 2>so in the end it was Charlie Chaplin, not Joe Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 2>who had the proper measure of things. Liberty survived because

1:50:44.800 --> 1:50:48.160
<v Speaker 2>men died, many millions of them, from Kiev to Canterbury.

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<v Speaker 2>We live in very different times now. The armies of

1:50:52.120 --> 1:50:56.599
<v Speaker 2>fascism are not primarily conquering land under arms. The primary

1:50:56.720 --> 1:50:59.600
<v Speaker 2>terrain of our present conflict exists within the hearts and

1:50:59.680 --> 1:51:02.639
<v Speaker 2>souls of men and women. And while populism is still

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<v Speaker 2>a favorite mechanism of action among the fascists, they have

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<v Speaker 2>in this country at least given up on victory by

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<v Speaker 2>sheer weight of numbers. It's true what they say, war

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<v Speaker 2>never changes. Weapons do, But the core of all human

1:51:16.360 --> 1:51:20.360
<v Speaker 2>conflict revolves around the capture and denial of territory. If

1:51:20.400 --> 1:51:23.800
<v Speaker 2>you can't occupy ground yourself, you must at least deny

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<v Speaker 2>it to the enemy. In infantry combat, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>primary use of a machine gun, not to kill people,

1:51:29.680 --> 1:51:32.000
<v Speaker 2>but to blanket an area in bullets and stop the

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<v Speaker 2>enemy from moving through it. In our modern war of

1:51:35.400 --> 1:51:38.160
<v Speaker 2>thoughts and feelings, the machine gun has yielded to the

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<v Speaker 2>fire hose of propaganda and disinformation. These have always been

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the fascist arsenal, but the Internet has allowed

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<v Speaker 2>an increase in the scale and speed of their deployment

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<v Speaker 2>that is very much comparable to the replacement of bolt

1:51:50.040 --> 1:51:54.040
<v Speaker 2>action rifles with automatic ones. The forces of basic human

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<v Speaker 2>decency have a natural advantage in terms of human terrain

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<v Speaker 2>that should be impossible for the fascists to counter, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what the bastards say, most people want to be

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<v Speaker 2>left alone with the people they love to live their lives.

1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:09.400
<v Speaker 2>The forces of hate, the people who want to throw

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<v Speaker 2>trans kids in their parents in gas chambers and drown

1:52:12.160 --> 1:52:14.880
<v Speaker 2>migrants in the Rio Grande tap out at a little

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<v Speaker 2>over a third of the population max. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to return to World War II metaphors, and why wouldn't you?

1:52:21.720 --> 1:52:25.160
<v Speaker 2>The monsters are stuck in tiny, landlocked Germany without any

1:52:25.240 --> 1:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>gas or steel. The only way for them to access

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<v Speaker 2>the resources in territory they need to maneuver themselves into

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<v Speaker 2>a victory is by cutting us off from each other

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<v Speaker 2>and keeping us too confused and divided to surround the

1:52:37.400 --> 1:52:41.000
<v Speaker 2>bastards and smother them all for good. They do this

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<v Speaker 2>by convincing you that you are isolated, alone and surrounded

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<v Speaker 2>by them. Our hopelessness is their force multiplier. When leftists

1:52:49.840 --> 1:52:52.679
<v Speaker 2>in the US look out at Ukrainians struggling for survival

1:52:52.720 --> 1:52:56.040
<v Speaker 2>and write them off as Nazis, as diluted tools of imperialism,

1:52:56.320 --> 1:52:59.439
<v Speaker 2>When liberals in blue cities to cry college students protesting

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<v Speaker 2>on behalf of dying Palestinian children as agents of Hamas,

1:53:03.160 --> 1:53:06.280
<v Speaker 2>the lines of solidarity between a snap rather than wrapping

1:53:06.400 --> 1:53:09.519
<v Speaker 2>like a garret around the throats of our opponents. This

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<v Speaker 2>is why you've seen so much allegiance and sympathy between

1:53:12.560 --> 1:53:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the cruelest and most deluded segments of the Western left.

1:53:15.520 --> 1:53:18.519
<v Speaker 2>The people who laughed at Syrian civilians sheltering from Bushah

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<v Speaker 2>al Assad's bombs and called them the CIA and the

1:53:21.320 --> 1:53:24.559
<v Speaker 2>agents of Putin's Russia and Peter Teal's neo monarchist right.

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<v Speaker 2>The Teals, Bannons, Putin's Airdoins, Trumps and Modis of the

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<v Speaker 2>world know how lonely they are. The only way they

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<v Speaker 2>can win is to convince you that you're alone. Then

1:53:34.640 --> 1:53:37.479
<v Speaker 2>they have you at a disadvantage. Then they can kill

1:53:37.560 --> 1:53:41.280
<v Speaker 2>us one by one. You know, there's no smooth way

1:53:41.439 --> 1:53:43.640
<v Speaker 2>to transition to an ad and a piece like this,

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<v Speaker 2>But here it is. We're back now. I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>young man, but I do sometimes the think of humanity

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<v Speaker 2>as a single, vast, gestalt organism groping for survival and

1:54:05.200 --> 1:54:07.920
<v Speaker 2>comfort in a world that mostly exists beyond what we

1:54:08.080 --> 1:54:11.840
<v Speaker 2>can see. Majority of people are happy existing as part

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<v Speaker 2>of that vast whole. We take comfort and safety in

1:54:14.720 --> 1:54:17.479
<v Speaker 2>our communion with the rest of the species. But there

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<v Speaker 2>are a few diseased minds out there that don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>in the rest of us. These sollipsists see themselves as

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<v Speaker 2>the only minds, and the perpetuation of their own power

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<v Speaker 2>and will as the only real good. That's why men

1:54:30.200 --> 1:54:33.760
<v Speaker 2>like Peter Teel seek physical immortality, and it's why men

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<v Speaker 2>like Vladimir Putin or Hitler seek the kind of immortality

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<v Speaker 2>that comes from welding the edifice of a nation state

1:54:39.520 --> 1:54:43.680
<v Speaker 2>to themselves. Hitler is Germany, and Germany will last forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk sees his children as an extension of himself,

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<v Speaker 2>and his fantasies of space colonization are really just a

1:54:51.160 --> 1:54:54.640
<v Speaker 2>fantasy that he will remain central to humanity's future down

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<v Speaker 2>through eternity. Musk has repeatedly identified himself as a pro natalist,

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<v Speaker 2>and he believes his responsibilities to have as many children

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<v Speaker 2>as possible to secure a pro human future. The term

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<v Speaker 2>pro human might confuse you, given the lack of concern

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<v Speaker 2>he has for the children being bombed in Gaza or

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<v Speaker 2>who will surely die in the mass deportation camps through

1:55:15.480 --> 1:55:18.840
<v Speaker 2>a publican party is currently salivating to open. But the

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<v Speaker 2>only real human Elon sees is himself, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>he equates the survival of the species with his own

1:55:25.320 --> 1:55:28.680
<v Speaker 2>ability to breed. As I type, this video has begun

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<v Speaker 2>circulating around the Internet from an interview Musk conducted with

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Peterson for The Daily Wire. In it, Musk explains

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<v Speaker 2>why he has now fully embraced politics, endorsing Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and declaring himself at war with wokeism, which he describes

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<v Speaker 2>as an existential threat to the species. He claims that

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<v Speaker 2>what cinched this for him was his daughter deciding to transition.

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<v Speaker 6>It happened to one of my older boys where I

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<v Speaker 6>was essentially tricked into signing documents for one of my

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<v Speaker 6>older boys.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of confusion, and.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I was told, oh, you know, might commit

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<v Speaker 6>suicide if it's incredibly evil, And I agree with you

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<v Speaker 6>that people that have been promoting this should go to president.

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<v Speaker 6>So I was, I was straight into doing this. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>it wasn't explained to me that puberty blocks are actually

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<v Speaker 6>just sterilization drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>So I lost my son essentially.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know they they quote dead naming for a reason. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 6>So the reason it's quote dead naming is because so

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<v Speaker 6>my son is dead, killed by the Wok mind virus.

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<v Speaker 2>Musk's child is not in fact dead, but they have

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<v Speaker 2>expressed an identity utterly separate from Elon, an identity he

1:56:48.800 --> 1:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>cannot understand. Because Musk can only see his children as

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<v Speaker 2>an extension of himself and his ego. This is in

1:56:56.040 --> 1:56:59.160
<v Speaker 2>fact worse than death. It is a threat to Musk's

1:56:59.200 --> 1:57:03.000
<v Speaker 2>own life. This, incidentally, is why Musk and his fellow

1:57:03.080 --> 1:57:07.280
<v Speaker 2>travelers see transgender kids as such a threat. Accepting a

1:57:07.400 --> 1:57:10.120
<v Speaker 2>trans child, even if you don't fully understand how and

1:57:10.240 --> 1:57:12.600
<v Speaker 2>why they feel the way they do, is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most radical acts of love imaginable. To do this

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<v Speaker 2>means that you've accepted, on a fundamental level that your

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<v Speaker 2>children are autonomous beings, not an extension of you, but

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<v Speaker 2>something new, wonderful, and unique. The essence of parental love

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<v Speaker 2>is to give your children to the world. This means

1:57:31.160 --> 1:57:34.000
<v Speaker 2>accepting that you are finite that the world goes on

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<v Speaker 2>without you. If you see all humanity as an extension

1:57:37.640 --> 1:57:41.120
<v Speaker 2>of your own ego, nothing could be more frightening. The

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<v Speaker 2>people who feel this way, people like Elon, are mutations,

1:57:45.200 --> 1:57:47.400
<v Speaker 2>a glitch in the human system that starts as a

1:57:47.480 --> 1:57:50.360
<v Speaker 2>glitch within the heart of an individual. It comes as

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<v Speaker 2>a byproduct of success in the very visible, spectacular ways

1:57:54.160 --> 1:57:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that feed narcissism. When I think about stuff like this,

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<v Speaker 2>I refer often back to a great art by the

1:58:00.560 --> 1:58:05.320
<v Speaker 2>anthropologist Richard Lee, eating Christmas in the Kalahari. Lee spent

1:58:05.480 --> 1:58:08.800
<v Speaker 2>years living among the Ikung Bushmen, a Bantu speaking hunter

1:58:08.920 --> 1:58:11.800
<v Speaker 2>gatherer group who were seen by anthropologists as some of

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<v Speaker 2>the people still living in a manner most similar to

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<v Speaker 2>our ancient ancestors. One Christmas, as a show of gratitude

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<v Speaker 2>to his hosts, Lee purchased a massive ox for the

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<v Speaker 2>holiday feast. He was excited to show this great gift

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<v Speaker 2>off to his new friends, and he was proud of

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<v Speaker 2>himself for having gotten it, and he was utterly shocked

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<v Speaker 2>when they responded to his pride with mockery of him

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<v Speaker 2>and his ox, insulting it as scrawny, tiny, hardly fit

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<v Speaker 2>to eat now. This shockedly because the ox he had

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<v Speaker 2>purchased was of course quite large, and it was eventually

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<v Speaker 2>explained to him that his friends were reacting with mockery

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<v Speaker 2>not to his gift, but to the evident pride he

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<v Speaker 2>had shown in it, bringing in a great beast worth

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<v Speaker 2>of meat. Either as a hunter, or from buying it

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<v Speaker 2>as Burton did, is the kind of thing that can

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<v Speaker 2>go to a young man's head. If you are the

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<v Speaker 2>one with the poet book or the one who fires

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<v Speaker 2>the arrow, you can forget that the meat before you,

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<v Speaker 2>the meat that you've brought into the community, is not

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<v Speaker 2>the product purely of your own genius, but is a

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<v Speaker 2>product of all of the time and resources invested in

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<v Speaker 2>you by the community. The shaming of the meat, as

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<v Speaker 2>this tactic was called, is a time honored way of

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<v Speaker 2>correcting the glitch in young men of the Ukun before

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<v Speaker 2>it can turn terminal. As one elder in the tribe

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<v Speaker 2>eventually explained to Lee, when a young man kills much meat,

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<v Speaker 2>he comes to think of himself as a chief or

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<v Speaker 2>a big man, and he thinks of the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>us as his servants or inferiors. We can't accept this.

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<v Speaker 2>We refuse one who boasts, for someday his pride will

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<v Speaker 2>make him kill somebody. So we always speak of his

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<v Speaker 2>meat as worthless. This way we cool his heart and

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<v Speaker 2>make him gentle. And speaking of cooling your heart, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't you cool your heart with some ads? And then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back to conclude this in a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>We're back. It has been theorized that the shaming of

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<v Speaker 2>the meat is a social construct that may help to

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<v Speaker 2>explain one of the evolutionary values of satire, perhaps even

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<v Speaker 2>why humanity keeps producing comedians. They act as a part

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<v Speaker 2>of our species immune system. When this glitch in the

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<v Speaker 2>hearts of young men isn't punctured, when it's allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>take off and dominate them, then it changes them on

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<v Speaker 2>a fundamental level, and the being that it leaves in

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<v Speaker 2>its wake seems to understand instinctively that laughter is a

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<v Speaker 2>danger to it. This ultimately explains why Musk purchase Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>and why Barack Obama's mockery of Donald Trump during that

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<v Speaker 2>White House Correspondence Center set us all down the dark

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<v Speaker 2>path that we currently are walking. So clearly, humor alone

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't always save us from these kinds of people either.

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<v Speaker 2>What Will I Have several times and my various shows

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<v Speaker 2>identified myself as an anarchist, and I tend to do

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<v Speaker 2>that even though I don't feel fully comfortable with the title,

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<v Speaker 2>because brevity matters. I'm speaking to a mass audience and

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<v Speaker 2>using that word gets as close enough for the sake

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<v Speaker 2>of a podcast. But I'm not an anarchist in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense that I have some sort of clear vision for

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<v Speaker 2>how to build a utopia. Obviously, I do think anarchism

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<v Speaker 2>has some answers for how human beings might build a

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<v Speaker 2>better world. That's why I went through a Java, It's

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<v Speaker 2>why we cover a lot of the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>cover on these series. But I am primarily an anarchist

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<v Speaker 2>because I understand that hierarchy kills. Because I understand that

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<v Speaker 2>hierarchy separates us from each other and acts as a

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<v Speaker 2>petri dish within which this glitch can propagate. I'm an

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<v Speaker 2>anarchist because I love the people around me, because I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that I am human, and because I see that

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<v Speaker 2>my role in the human immune system is to remind

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<v Speaker 2>other people of that fact and to point a finger

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<v Speaker 2>at the people who have forgotten that they're human. I

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<v Speaker 2>promised in the title of this little piece that I

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<v Speaker 2>would tell you how we can win, and I can

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<v Speaker 2>do that in a few words. We have to remember

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<v Speaker 2>that we are humans. Amala Harris is an authoritarian. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that she wants to be president at all should

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<v Speaker 2>make you leery of her. But she's not a Trump

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<v Speaker 2>or a Musk. She has not separated herself entirely from humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>if you'll forgive the reference. She understands that she exists

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<v Speaker 2>in the context of all that came before her. Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden has been hungry for power all his life. The

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<v Speaker 2>glitch is in him. It has consumed most of him,

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<v Speaker 2>but as we all learned recently, not all of him.

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<v Speaker 2>He too understands that he is a part of humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>indivisible from it. Now you can and should still view

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<v Speaker 2>the man with disgust, even hatred. He ought to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hague, but he also stepped down and gave

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<v Speaker 2>up the thing that a week ago I'd have said

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<v Speaker 2>probably mattered most to him in the world. This was

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<v Speaker 2>not a purely selfless gesture. I'm sure he acted in

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<v Speaker 2>a large part to try and salvage his own legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is also not a thing thing Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>could ever do. You certainly wouldn't see a man like

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<v Speaker 2>Vladimir Putin make a similar choice, and we've all seen

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of slaughter bb net Yahoo is willing to

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<v Speaker 2>back to hold on to power. None of this redeems

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<v Speaker 2>Biden or makes him a good person or any less

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<v Speaker 2>complicit in genocide than he was a week ago. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it does put us in a better position when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to fighting for a ceasefire in Gaza. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in US politics knows that Biden's political end started with

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<v Speaker 2>the surge of uncommitted voters in Michigan. The loss of

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<v Speaker 2>a second term is not a sufficient punishment for Biden's actions,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a punishment that has the ability to

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<v Speaker 2>reshape the kind of risks US presidents will and won't

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<v Speaker 2>take for Israel from now on. It has also helped

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<v Speaker 2>me make sense of something that happened in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>You all remember the moment during the one presidential debate

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<v Speaker 2>that year, President Trump attacked Biden over the numerous scandals

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<v Speaker 2>of his son, Hunter, a troubled drug addict who tried

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<v Speaker 2>and largely failed to use his father's named secure wealth

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<v Speaker 2>and standing for himself. Hunter's troubles have been tremendously embarrassing

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<v Speaker 2>to his father, but up in front of the country

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<v Speaker 2>and world, Biden refused to throw his son under the bus.

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<v Speaker 2>He embraced him and expressed the kind of unconditional love

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<v Speaker 2>that is utterly alien to men like Trump and Musk. Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>for all the evil that he has done in the

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<v Speaker 2>raw selfishness that allowed him to reach the presidency in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place. Is a man who loves his son.

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<v Speaker 2>Most importantly, he loves Hunter as Hunter and not purely

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<v Speaker 2>as an extension of Joe Biden. There's an excellent series

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<v Speaker 2>of articles out in The Atlantic right now by Tim Alberta,

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<v Speaker 2>who might be the finest political journalist writing today. Tim

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<v Speaker 2>had the good instincts to look behind the scenes at

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<v Speaker 2>the team Trump picked to orchestrate his twenty twenty four campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's delivered deep reporting about why they've made some

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<v Speaker 2>of the baffling decisions that they've made. Chief among bafflements

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<v Speaker 2>was the selection of j. D. Vance as Vice President.

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<v Speaker 2>Vance barely won his seat in Congress with the help

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<v Speaker 2>of tens of millions of teal dollars. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>liar without principle who has repeatedly expressed his desire to

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<v Speaker 2>tear up the Constitution and usher in a new red

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<v Speaker 2>caesar to bring this nation to heal under men like him.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched Vance's speech at the RNC live at a

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<v Speaker 2>Heritage Foundation party, surrounded by the rightest of the right,

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<v Speaker 2>not one of them offered a single word of praise.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that bad JD is the sort of pick Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>handlers were sure that they could afford to make. Vance

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<v Speaker 2>would bring the Silicon Valley billionaire set to the table,

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<v Speaker 2>open up their purse strings, convince them they were welcome

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<v Speaker 2>in the new ruling class. Sure he wouldn't bring any votes,

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<v Speaker 2>But a week ago, running against Sleepy Joe, the sick

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<v Speaker 2>man of US politics, Trump's team felt they had votes

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<v Speaker 2>to spare. Well. Now the worm has turned. The Poles

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<v Speaker 2>still point to an election that is deeply in doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>But Poles don't say everything. The panic of their responses

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<v Speaker 2>to Biden's stepping down, the chaotic spree of hate, to

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<v Speaker 2>a single truth. They don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The monsters are off balance, stumbling, unable to find the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>We can see some evidence of this and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that Musk just came out and canceled has promised forty

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<v Speaker 2>five million dollar monthly donations to the Trump campaign. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the first chain of solidarity between our enemies to crumble,

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<v Speaker 2>and it won't be the last. Every time that happens,

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<v Speaker 2>we get more room to move and maneuver. The fascists

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<v Speaker 2>may well regain their footing and time to crush us

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<v Speaker 2>But something else has happened in the last few days

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<v Speaker 2>as well. People, we humans, as a vast, blurry mob,

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<v Speaker 2>have started to remember how many of us there are,

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<v Speaker 2>and how much potential the weight of our numbers gives us.

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<v Speaker 2>We have started to reconnect with each other, and that

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<v Speaker 2>has also opened up possibilities that did not exist before.

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party aren't going to bring

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<v Speaker 2>an end to global capitalism or drive a stake into

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<v Speaker 2>the heart of the oil and gas industry. There remains

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<v Speaker 2>so much else to do, so many other fights ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of us. But if we can crush the Republicplicans here,

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<v Speaker 2>it will be the fourth election cycle in a row

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<v Speaker 2>where the right made a war on trans people, on

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<v Speaker 2>the concept of diversity, on any kind of open, secular

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<v Speaker 2>society the core of their electoral efforts, and it will

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<v Speaker 2>be the fourth time that they have done that and lost.

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<v Speaker 2>If we break their lines and send them fleeing into

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<v Speaker 2>the hills, we have an opportunity to shatter their power

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<v Speaker 2>and use the momentum of that victory to start building

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<v Speaker 2>something better. There's no cleaner, easy route to a better future,

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<v Speaker 2>but our chances are a hell of a lot better.

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<v Speaker 2>The more of us that stay alive, and the more

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<v Speaker 2>scattered and frightened that we can make our enemies. Our

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<v Speaker 2>strength has always come from solidarity, from the understanding that

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<v Speaker 2>we need each other and that we are part of

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<v Speaker 2>each other. The Putins and Trumps and Musks and Teals

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<v Speaker 2>of the world are of course a part of humanity

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<v Speaker 2>as well, but they are incapable of seeing or accepting that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so long as that is the case, we outnumber them.

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<v Speaker 2>So long as that is the case, we can win.

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<v Speaker 7>It could happen here. It's it could happen here at

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<v Speaker 7>the podcasts that is about. I don't know how everyone

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<v Speaker 7>hates trans people and how this has become a sort

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<v Speaker 7>of cross partisan thing. I'm your host, Bio Wong. We

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<v Speaker 7>are we have been doing. Oh god, I don't even

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<v Speaker 7>know what sort of number of RNC episodes are going

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<v Speaker 7>to have come out before this thing before you hear

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<v Speaker 7>this episode. But we are once again turning away from

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<v Speaker 7>their republic, from the sort of chaos and despair of

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<v Speaker 7>the Republican Party to turn towards the chaos and despair

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<v Speaker 7>of the Democratic Party. Yeah, we're gonna specifically be talking

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<v Speaker 7>about a series of what I think we're kind of

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<v Speaker 7>high profile fights in trans circles over sort of the

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<v Speaker 7>administration very publicly starting to write off trans kids. I

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<v Speaker 7>don't think it got that much news attention because, as

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<v Speaker 7>you may have noticed, it is, Yeah, a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>this is by very specifically Biden administration stuff. We are

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<v Speaker 7>recording the Sunday Warning the morning of the twenty first.

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<v Speaker 7>There is a real chance that by the end of

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<v Speaker 7>the day Biden is no longer the nominee. So we'll

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<v Speaker 7>get into that a little bit, but as of right now,

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<v Speaker 7>he's still the guy, and he is fucking us. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>with you to talk about this is Karin Green, who

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<v Speaker 7>we have had on the show before. Is a trans

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<v Speaker 7>policy expert of many organizations and much experience, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>welcome back on this. Welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, thanks to having a mea.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's kind of fun to come back on to

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<v Speaker 9>talk more about this, because the timing of when you

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<v Speaker 9>had me on last time was pretty much ext just

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<v Speaker 9>before a montha four he went public with this new

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<v Speaker 9>stuff we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so the last time we were talking about this,

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<v Speaker 7>it was largely about stuff that was kind of like

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<v Speaker 7>plausibly deniable for the administration, It was a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>sort of stuff buried in bureaucratic medutia. Whether or not

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<v Speaker 7>any of that stuff even exists anymore given recent Supreme

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<v Speaker 7>Court rule that have effectively annihilated the administrative state. Who knows.

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<v Speaker 7>But now having had the Supreme Court get their ability

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<v Speaker 7>to do this sort of non plausibly, they have full

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<v Speaker 7>lot gone on the record against trans kits. So I

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<v Speaker 7>guess I want to start there. Can can you sort

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<v Speaker 7>of explain what happened with this New York Times story

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<v Speaker 7>that kind of kicked this whole saga off.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So kind of the context is I'm a trans

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<v Speaker 9>policy analyst. It's what I do that unfortunately are not

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<v Speaker 9>that many of us in the country, and all those

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<v Speaker 9>of us, many of us are still employed in the

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<v Speaker 9>movement organization, so they can't talk about this stuff humbly.

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<v Speaker 9>But so he's been putting out the regulations that the

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<v Speaker 9>Biden administration has been putting out are not good regulations

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<v Speaker 9>for trans people, right, But it's hard to help people

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<v Speaker 9>understand that they're transphobic because it's a five hundred page

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<v Speaker 9>regulation and so you know, it's kind of wonky and

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<v Speaker 9>a little weird, and if there is comms like the

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<v Speaker 9>Biden administration and the orgs have been putting out calling

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<v Speaker 9>him pro trans and all this stuff. There's a big

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<v Speaker 9>barrier to overcome there with a wonky stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 9>But what happened a couple of days after the debate,

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<v Speaker 9>which I'm sure everyone saw, or if you didn't didn't

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<v Speaker 9>watch it live, you realized in a horror that you

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<v Speaker 9>now had to watch it to understand what this country

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<v Speaker 9>is going through. They there was some initial reporting around

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<v Speaker 9>how the WPATH Standards of Care Version eight came out.

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<v Speaker 9>So WPATH is the World Professional Association for Transfer or Health.

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<v Speaker 9>It is either last year or the year before they

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<v Speaker 9>updated the Standards of Care seven to Standards of Care eight.

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<v Speaker 9>This is a little background, sorry, And at the time

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<v Speaker 9>there was discussion among WPATH members, doctors and kind of

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<v Speaker 9>policy people to some degree about whether mentioning kind of

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<v Speaker 9>rough ages for what time, what age people tend to

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<v Speaker 9>start certain treatments like period blockers, hormones, that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 9>what kind of normal age ranges those things happening. We

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<v Speaker 9>know from years years of advocacy and work and activism

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<v Speaker 9>is that if somebody writes something like those things down,

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<v Speaker 9>even if they present it as a kind of loose

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<v Speaker 9>guideline or this is where things typically fall. Policymakers will

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<v Speaker 9>write that stuff into law and rig and take what

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<v Speaker 9>is supposed to give doctors and patients, you know, room

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<v Speaker 9>to figure out what works best for them, and make

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<v Speaker 9>it a very strict regime. And so transactivists did not

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<v Speaker 9>want ages in the wpath Sock eight for that reason.

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<v Speaker 9>And in the one and only instance of pro trans

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<v Speaker 9>advocacy that I'm aware of her ever engaging in Rachel

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<v Speaker 9>Levine in AHHS kind of advocated with wpath not to

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<v Speaker 9>include those age ranges in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Levine, by the way, is like the o WT health secretary.

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, she's like the only trans like she's the.

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<v Speaker 9>Highest ranked trans like you know, White House official ever

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<v Speaker 9>of maggitude.

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<v Speaker 7>She's like she's like the only transperson, like openly transperson

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<v Speaker 7>possibly in history to ever like get to a position

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<v Speaker 7>where she has some authority and she doesn't use it

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<v Speaker 7>ever except this one time.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a bit disappointment too. Was I was her biggest

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<v Speaker 9>fan in the world because she passed. She wrote Pennsylvania's

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<v Speaker 9>Narkann Standing Order, and I based my law in Louisiana

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<v Speaker 9>legalizing Narkhan and our subsequent standing order on hers. So

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<v Speaker 9>I thought it was really cool that Transforms had done

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<v Speaker 9>this in both places, and I really really was a

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<v Speaker 9>big and then she just crickets nothing. It is all

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<v Speaker 9>this terrible stuff happens. So that's the context in which

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<v Speaker 9>the New York Times was reporting. They somebody had gotten,

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<v Speaker 9>like some bad guys had gotten some of the emails

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<v Speaker 9>between Levin and w Path and were like trying to

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<v Speaker 9>make it into a scandal, right, And they and the

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<v Speaker 9>bad guys misrepresented kind of what the issue and discussion

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<v Speaker 9>was about, right, So we discussed what it was, but

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<v Speaker 9>the way that they would present it as, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>w Path was trying to limit treatments to kids being

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<v Speaker 9>you know, old enough of a certain age, which is

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<v Speaker 9>not what they were doing. And they were trying to

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<v Speaker 9>present Levine as trying to get rid of those so

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<v Speaker 9>that five year olds could have surgery or whatever. It's so,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, just very very insincere. But so the media

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<v Speaker 9>was kind of reporting just on that because they love

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<v Speaker 9>muck breaking.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And partially the other thing we should mention it

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<v Speaker 7>is it was really it was extremely hard to figure

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<v Speaker 7>out what was going on for the issue reporting because

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<v Speaker 7>the New York Times, instead of employing trans journalists, they

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<v Speaker 7>employed transphobic journalists. And the thing about transpherbic journalists, they

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<v Speaker 7>don't fucking understand policy at all. Day They're like, they're

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<v Speaker 7>absolute fucking clouds. These people have no idea what the

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<v Speaker 7>fuck they're talking about, and so you know, when they're

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<v Speaker 7>trying to write a story that's about like leaked technical

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<v Speaker 7>policy documents, they have no fucking idea what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 7>and the reporting is gibberish. It's like I was trying

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<v Speaker 7>to understand it. And this is a real issue because

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<v Speaker 7>the only the source we had was this document of

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<v Speaker 7>this New York Times writer who like couldn't like the

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<v Speaker 7>New York Times writer who like couldn't find the back

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<v Speaker 7>of their hand with the map right trying to like

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<v Speaker 7>write out these skinned emails.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm convinced sis people don't even understand that they don't

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<v Speaker 9>know what they're talking about, because I think they just

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<v Speaker 9>inherently feel like, oh, I have a gender, therefore I

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<v Speaker 9>know everything about gender.

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<v Speaker 7>It's like you know, and like I I I, and

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<v Speaker 7>it's this is like mostly kind of like find ish.

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<v Speaker 7>But the problem is when you have you know, when

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<v Speaker 7>you have CIS journalists who don't know anything about trans

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<v Speaker 7>like people at all, who in a lot of places

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<v Speaker 7>don't think trans people exist trying to write these policy things,

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<v Speaker 7>it's they they have nothing.

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<v Speaker 9>And yeah, so it wasn't presented super clearly, and so

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<v Speaker 9>other people had questions, some justified, some based on misunder

2:15:57.280 --> 2:16:00.320
<v Speaker 9>that misunderstanding, some not. But anyway, there was additional kind

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<v Speaker 9>of back and forth between the media and the White House.

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<v Speaker 9>They were asking about it, and in that the White

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<v Speaker 9>House at one point told them that they opposed surgery

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<v Speaker 9>for transgender youth. And then obviously that is, at least publicly,

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<v Speaker 9>that is a new position for the President who has

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<v Speaker 9>has been called not by me but by other people,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, one hundred percent pro trans super great ally

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<v Speaker 9>his entire administration. I disagree with that, but other people

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<v Speaker 9>have been saying that for a long time. And so

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<v Speaker 9>that took a lot of people by surprise and was

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<v Speaker 9>a big kind of kurf lefvel. And so that's kind

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<v Speaker 9>of the jumping off point for where we're going here.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that happened.

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<v Speaker 9>That came out on a Friday in the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 9>that the White House opposed surgery for trans miners, and

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<v Speaker 9>nobody talked there like. There were no responses from the orgs,

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<v Speaker 9>There was no additional reporting, no follow up from.

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<v Speaker 1>The White House.

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<v Speaker 9>That Friday, not that Saturday, not that Sunday, although that

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<v Speaker 9>Sunday Sunday evening, the heads of three national large national

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<v Speaker 9>LGBTQ advocacy orgs, HRC, Family Equality Council, and National LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 9>Task Force went on all three together an MSNBC show.

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<v Speaker 9>The host, I don't remember his name, but he has

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<v Speaker 9>an MSNBC show, writes for Washington Post and then also

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<v Speaker 9>contributes to PBS News Hour Right. And so none of

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<v Speaker 9>these three people that we pay to advocate for us

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<v Speaker 9>or this journalist brought up this very fresh, very pertinent,

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<v Speaker 9>very relevant, new White House position. They just talked about

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<v Speaker 9>how important it is to vote and how much fun

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<v Speaker 9>they had at Pride parades instead garbage, right, And so

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<v Speaker 9>it was very weird to me that these three people

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<v Speaker 9>who represent lgbt obviously organizations would not immediately vocally condemned

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<v Speaker 9>that kind of anti transtance. And it also blew my

2:18:13.040 --> 2:18:16.600
<v Speaker 9>mind that this journalist must be like allergic to scoops

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<v Speaker 9>or something like why yeah, why wouldn't you like that's

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<v Speaker 9>your chance right there?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean I I genuine and you think the journalists

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<v Speaker 7>didn't know because like this stuff didn't break out of

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<v Speaker 7>like a very small sort of like transphere by this point, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's in the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 7>You're given like but like like nobody cares about like people.

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<v Speaker 7>People don't care about us, like you. You would think

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<v Speaker 7>that these people would know, But like I genuinely don't

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<v Speaker 7>even know if this person had any idea what was happening.

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<v Speaker 7>Because I trust journalists to write about trans people about

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<v Speaker 7>as much as I trust myself to be able to

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<v Speaker 7>bench for us a car.

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<v Speaker 9>So you know, yeah, so that came and went Sunday

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<v Speaker 9>evening Nope, And I was going in the whole time,

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<v Speaker 9>right because for me as a trans policy analyst, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I have I've been I've noticed and been and been

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<v Speaker 9>calling Biden's transphobic rags and executive words and stuff problematic

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<v Speaker 9>and transphobic since I first noticed it and picked up

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<v Speaker 9>on it, which was you know, two or three years

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<v Speaker 9>ago now. And so for me, it was a very

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<v Speaker 9>kind of complicated feeling of Okay, Now, at least other

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<v Speaker 9>people don't have to take my word about the rags.

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<v Speaker 9>There's something they can look at and see it themselves.

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<v Speaker 9>But I was also, you know, completely threw off my

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<v Speaker 9>sleep schedule. I was bouncing off the walls, going and

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<v Speaker 9>seing and trying to you know, or organize responses. And

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<v Speaker 9>so the first org actually I think I believe it

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<v Speaker 9>was HRC, issued a statement Monday night and it was

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<v Speaker 9>a decent statement. I might have critiques of them whatever,

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<v Speaker 9>And then the rest of the orgs kind of didn't

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<v Speaker 9>issue statements until Tuesday evening, and so so that Tuesday

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<v Speaker 9>also the White House issued a statement that to clarify

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<v Speaker 9>their position, and the statement actually made it worse. So

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<v Speaker 9>what the statement said was that they do oppose surgery

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<v Speaker 9>for transgender youth. So they reiterated that, and then it

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<v Speaker 9>went on to say, however, we continue to support gender

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<v Speaker 9>affirming care for youth, such as mental health care.

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<v Speaker 1>Period.

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<v Speaker 9>I meant it was a common in theas other but

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<v Speaker 9>they didn't list other things that they supported, right, so, like,

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<v Speaker 9>the only thing they put in the list that they

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<v Speaker 9>supported was mental health care, which, to a policy person, again,

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<v Speaker 9>you're not sneaking those things past me. If you're talking

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<v Speaker 9>about trans healthcare and the only thing that you say

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<v Speaker 9>that you support is mental health care, I'm very worried.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm very concerned, right, because if you're pro trans and

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<v Speaker 9>you support transaccess to healthcare, it is not complicated or

2:20:58.200 --> 2:21:01.240
<v Speaker 9>hard or controversial for you to say, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I support trans people and their access to health care.

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<v Speaker 9>They should have access to therapy, hormones, pubity blockers, surgery,

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<v Speaker 9>whatever they need. Like, it's not complex there, right, But

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<v Speaker 9>they didn't do that, and so to me that felt

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<v Speaker 9>even worse than kind of the initial position because it

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<v Speaker 9>signaled to me that there's likely we're likely kind of

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<v Speaker 9>losing them on not just surgery, it's all this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 9>And so two hours later that statement was updated, revised

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<v Speaker 9>and it took out saying they support mental health care

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<v Speaker 9>and was changed to say we support gender affirming care

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<v Speaker 9>like a continuum of care and used the words continuum

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<v Speaker 9>of care instead of mental health care. Now that doesn't

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<v Speaker 9>that feels like tripling down to me, because the problem

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<v Speaker 9>was that it was very overt what you left out,

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<v Speaker 9>and you had the opportunity to go back and fix it,

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<v Speaker 9>and then you continued. You just made new words that

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<v Speaker 9>very overtly leave out the kind of things that we

2:22:07.000 --> 2:22:10.680
<v Speaker 9>would need reassurance about, right, And so that's kind of

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<v Speaker 9>where things were at at that point.

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<v Speaker 7>And yeah, we're gonna let's let's leave it there for

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<v Speaker 7>a second. You turn to the people who are funding

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<v Speaker 7>us talking about this, which is the I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 7>the noble product products and services. I cannot promise their

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<v Speaker 7>nobility at all, but the products and service system support

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<v Speaker 7>this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Here they are.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and we are back.

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<v Speaker 7>And there's one other thing I want to mention before

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<v Speaker 7>we sort of get into where this went, which is

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<v Speaker 7>part of the fear that was going on, is that

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<v Speaker 7>at the same time as this is all happening, Labor

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<v Speaker 7>has taken power in the UK, and the Labor government

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<v Speaker 7>they're fucking okay, what what what can what what can

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<v Speaker 7>I say about the about West streeting that won't get

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<v Speaker 7>me impaled across there? Militantly transphobic piece of shit. I

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<v Speaker 7>think it's like their health secretary now, yes, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 7>masters over there don't forget Yeah, yeah, they're ministers came

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<v Speaker 7>out and said we're going to ban all children from

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<v Speaker 7>getting puberty blockers, not.

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<v Speaker 1>Just on the NHS but all.

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<v Speaker 7>Private healthcare everyone. Yeah, and this is a this is

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<v Speaker 7>an absolutely sort of terrifying step. It is going to

2:23:31.400 --> 2:23:34.720
<v Speaker 7>get a lot of kids killed. Want to reiterate, Yeah,

2:23:34.760 --> 2:23:37.240
<v Speaker 7>already already has there's a whole scandal over there about

2:23:37.760 --> 2:23:38.920
<v Speaker 7>like about the number of trus.

2:23:39.400 --> 2:23:41.640
<v Speaker 9>The Good Law Project has you know, done the research

2:23:41.720 --> 2:23:43.960
<v Speaker 9>into like NHS minutes and all this stuff, and as

2:23:44.400 --> 2:23:47.040
<v Speaker 9>thinks that there have been sixteen suicides since this.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And I I also want to there's like a

2:23:50.280 --> 2:23:53.039
<v Speaker 7>sort of debunking thing that's going on that was from

2:23:53.200 --> 2:23:55.520
<v Speaker 7>data that like that that the party released. I was like, oh,

2:23:55.560 --> 2:23:57.320
<v Speaker 7>there weren't actually that many suicides. And the thing you

2:23:57.360 --> 2:23:59.280
<v Speaker 7>have to understand about those numbers is that those numbers

2:23:59.320 --> 2:24:03.240
<v Speaker 7>don't count people in waitlists, and the waitlists are not

2:24:03.320 --> 2:24:05.800
<v Speaker 7>the only place that people die, but they kill a

2:24:05.840 --> 2:24:08.080
<v Speaker 7>lot of people. So I want to sort of like, yeah,

2:24:08.120 --> 2:24:10.840
<v Speaker 7>we got to get that sort of context in which

2:24:10.879 --> 2:24:12.400
<v Speaker 7>is we're in this position not.

2:24:12.560 --> 2:24:15.080
<v Speaker 9>Just streating right the farmers and then there are a

2:24:15.160 --> 2:24:18.160
<v Speaker 9>whole lot have very vocally transphobic labor MPs.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and and that you know, that's there's a lot

2:24:21.040 --> 2:24:23.800
<v Speaker 7>of fear that the Democratic Party can sort of take

2:24:23.920 --> 2:24:26.560
<v Speaker 7>this even more extreme path than the sort of stuff

2:24:26.560 --> 2:24:29.160
<v Speaker 7>we've been saying. And you know, I'm gonna include the

2:24:29.160 --> 2:24:31.240
<v Speaker 7>standard thing about puberty blockers, which is we give these

2:24:31.280 --> 2:24:35.200
<v Speaker 7>We give puberty blockers to like literal like five year

2:24:35.240 --> 2:24:39.160
<v Speaker 7>old CIS children. They're fine, it's complete, like they're completely safe.

2:24:39.200 --> 2:24:40.640
<v Speaker 7>There's no there's no downside.

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<v Speaker 9>Apparently puberty blockers only have dangerous terrifying side effects used

2:24:45.040 --> 2:24:46.800
<v Speaker 9>and they can tell when they're in a transbody, and

2:24:46.800 --> 2:24:47.280
<v Speaker 9>it's a fine.

2:24:47.440 --> 2:24:51.400
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I only do the bad things. We've created the

2:24:51.480 --> 2:24:55.760
<v Speaker 7>trends specific bio weapon like you know, so like that

2:24:55.879 --> 2:24:57.640
<v Speaker 7>this all of this stuff is safe, and it's not

2:24:57.720 --> 2:25:02.080
<v Speaker 7>only safe, it saves lives, like the difference between you know,

2:25:02.280 --> 2:25:04.360
<v Speaker 7>like any trans person can tell you, the difference between

2:25:04.520 --> 2:25:07.480
<v Speaker 7>being on your hormones and being off your hormones is

2:25:07.640 --> 2:25:09.760
<v Speaker 7>night and day. It is the difference between being alive

2:25:09.879 --> 2:25:12.640
<v Speaker 7>and not being alive, Like it is the difference between

2:25:12.680 --> 2:25:16.080
<v Speaker 7>having sort of like a stable like stable interiority and

2:25:17.000 --> 2:25:19.119
<v Speaker 7>feeling like you don't exist every fucking day.

2:25:19.800 --> 2:25:22.400
<v Speaker 9>So well, we're not just talking about being on your

2:25:22.520 --> 2:25:24.800
<v Speaker 9>right hormones, but in this case, we're also talking about

2:25:25.360 --> 2:25:28.600
<v Speaker 9>preventing being on the wrong hormones, right, which can be

2:25:28.760 --> 2:25:29.880
<v Speaker 9>even more experciated.

2:25:29.959 --> 2:25:33.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's terrible, Like yeah, and so there's there's this

2:25:33.959 --> 2:25:37.640
<v Speaker 7>real fear that what we're seeing here is a pivot

2:25:37.720 --> 2:25:39.120
<v Speaker 7>to UK style stuff. And one of the things I

2:25:39.160 --> 2:25:41.120
<v Speaker 7>do in the UK that was specifically worrying about that

2:25:41.240 --> 2:25:44.320
<v Speaker 7>language about mental health care is one of the big

2:25:44.400 --> 2:25:46.640
<v Speaker 7>turf tactics is pushing this thing where we go, oh, well,

2:25:46.680 --> 2:25:48.680
<v Speaker 7>we're going to have this like you know, we're gonna

2:25:48.720 --> 2:25:50.800
<v Speaker 7>give you mental health care. We're going to like help

2:25:50.840 --> 2:25:53.000
<v Speaker 7>you figure out what your gender is. Is they call

2:25:53.040 --> 2:25:56.680
<v Speaker 7>it like exploratory care. This is conversion therapy. Yeah, that's

2:25:56.720 --> 2:25:59.400
<v Speaker 7>what they are talking about. And you know, seeing the

2:25:59.440 --> 2:26:03.800
<v Speaker 7>White House suddenly pivot to this language that is effectively

2:26:03.920 --> 2:26:07.960
<v Speaker 7>identical to again the UK thing where they're like, we're

2:26:07.959 --> 2:26:10.280
<v Speaker 7>going to give these consciversion therapy was terrifying.

2:26:11.120 --> 2:26:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

2:26:12.360 --> 2:26:15.920
<v Speaker 9>And then so the I think that the space between

2:26:16.040 --> 2:26:19.160
<v Speaker 9>that Friday with the New York Times article and then

2:26:19.879 --> 2:26:22.880
<v Speaker 9>the Tuesday with that clarification, I think the fact that

2:26:23.000 --> 2:26:27.760
<v Speaker 9>the orgs were so quiet and didn't offer any pushback

2:26:27.800 --> 2:26:32.280
<v Speaker 9>and didn't organize community to demand better to ban their

2:26:32.360 --> 2:26:34.600
<v Speaker 9>retract it. Like I think that that's what gave them

2:26:34.640 --> 2:26:37.120
<v Speaker 9>the room to essentially double and triple down in that

2:26:37.720 --> 2:26:44.760
<v Speaker 9>statement on Tuesday. And so that coincided, unfortunately with a

2:26:44.840 --> 2:26:48.400
<v Speaker 9>couple other anti transdevelopments in the Democratic Party in a

2:26:48.520 --> 2:26:51.440
<v Speaker 9>way that I find very worrying, especially when taken kind

2:26:51.440 --> 2:26:55.520
<v Speaker 9>of as a constellation. Right, So, that same week, the

2:26:55.840 --> 2:26:58.840
<v Speaker 9>Senate Armed Services Committee. So the NDAA is a large

2:26:58.879 --> 2:27:03.000
<v Speaker 9>military funding bill, the National Events Authorization Act, and the

2:27:03.360 --> 2:27:07.360
<v Speaker 9>House has been passing versions with lots of transphobic riders

2:27:07.480 --> 2:27:09.880
<v Speaker 9>in them, and then for the last couple of years,

2:27:09.959 --> 2:27:12.720
<v Speaker 9>the Senate has been taking those out and passing a

2:27:12.800 --> 2:27:14.640
<v Speaker 9>clean version, and then ultimately it's a clean version of

2:27:14.680 --> 2:27:17.400
<v Speaker 9>that gets an active Last year, I was very, very

2:27:17.480 --> 2:27:21.360
<v Speaker 9>worried that we would lose on that and that it

2:27:21.400 --> 2:27:24.280
<v Speaker 9>would go through with the writers and the implications here.

2:27:24.800 --> 2:27:28.840
<v Speaker 9>So the DoD Department of Events funds healthcare for the

2:27:28.959 --> 2:27:32.960
<v Speaker 9>VA and Trycare. I think there's one other smaller program

2:27:33.120 --> 2:27:34.600
<v Speaker 9>kind of similar that's a different name and effort, but

2:27:34.720 --> 2:27:38.680
<v Speaker 9>largely VA and tringcare so for active service members and

2:27:38.840 --> 2:27:42.039
<v Speaker 9>their families and veterans, which is I think I last

2:27:42.120 --> 2:27:44.960
<v Speaker 9>read like ten million people or something. And so if

2:27:44.959 --> 2:27:48.840
<v Speaker 9>they cut off public funding for trans healthcare through those programs,

2:27:48.879 --> 2:27:50.560
<v Speaker 9>a whole lot of people are going to lose it,

2:27:50.640 --> 2:27:52.560
<v Speaker 9>and we're going to very quickly wind up in a

2:27:52.600 --> 2:27:55.440
<v Speaker 9>situation like abortion is with the High Amendment, where no

2:27:55.520 --> 2:27:58.400
<v Speaker 9>public money can be used on our healthcare. And so

2:27:59.480 --> 2:28:01.840
<v Speaker 9>that week, the same time, the Senate Armed Services Committee

2:28:02.120 --> 2:28:06.240
<v Speaker 9>had their version of the NDAA, and Committee Joe Manchin

2:28:06.800 --> 2:28:10.720
<v Speaker 9>voted with Republicans to attach to these transphobic riders to it,

2:28:11.400 --> 2:28:14.840
<v Speaker 9>and then it was everyone in the committee except for

2:28:15.040 --> 2:28:18.400
<v Speaker 9>three people. I believe it was Warren, one other Democrat,

2:28:18.520 --> 2:28:20.640
<v Speaker 9>and I think possibly one Republican who voted against it.

2:28:21.600 --> 2:28:25.000
<v Speaker 9>But all the other Democrats on the committee voted to

2:28:25.640 --> 2:28:29.879
<v Speaker 9>pass it out of committee with those transphobic riders, which

2:28:29.959 --> 2:28:35.199
<v Speaker 9>is terrifying. Yeah, and Senator Kelly has introduced a floor

2:28:35.280 --> 2:28:38.240
<v Speaker 9>amendment to take those out, but whether his mimit even

2:28:38.280 --> 2:28:41.520
<v Speaker 9>makes it to the floor, I don't know. And what

2:28:41.640 --> 2:28:43.640
<v Speaker 9>the vote looks like that like on that, I don't know.

2:28:43.760 --> 2:28:46.160
<v Speaker 9>So I'm really worried that the NDA will pass with

2:28:46.360 --> 2:28:49.640
<v Speaker 9>these riders in it, and then subsequent spending bills for

2:28:49.760 --> 2:28:53.480
<v Speaker 9>other departments will as well. And then simultaneously there's the

2:28:53.520 --> 2:28:57.360
<v Speaker 9>third thing. Over Biden's term, there have been over he's

2:28:57.400 --> 2:29:00.760
<v Speaker 9>had over two hundred of his judicial nominees that he's

2:29:00.760 --> 2:29:04.880
<v Speaker 9>offered up and over his whole term, not a single

2:29:04.959 --> 2:29:08.600
<v Speaker 9>time has a Democrat opposed one of his judicial nominees.

2:29:09.879 --> 2:29:14.480
<v Speaker 9>But that week us Off actually opposed one of his

2:29:14.600 --> 2:29:17.680
<v Speaker 9>judicial nominees over the fact that she had sent a

2:29:17.800 --> 2:29:22.200
<v Speaker 9>trans woman to women's prison, so specifically a transphobic reason

2:29:22.480 --> 2:29:26.160
<v Speaker 9>for objecting, and so she didn't denominated. And that's the

2:29:26.200 --> 2:29:28.840
<v Speaker 9>first time that has happened over Biden's term from what

2:29:28.959 --> 2:29:31.879
<v Speaker 9>I read, And so there are just lots of these

2:29:32.440 --> 2:29:37.760
<v Speaker 9>signals that kind of back me up in my feeling

2:29:38.200 --> 2:29:41.800
<v Speaker 9>that the support that you know, everyone has been pretending

2:29:41.959 --> 2:29:45.120
<v Speaker 9>that the Democratic Party has for trans people. I mean,

2:29:45.240 --> 2:29:47.480
<v Speaker 9>I read their eggs, so I know better, but it

2:29:47.640 --> 2:29:52.120
<v Speaker 9>is not. It is an illusion, right, and when it shatters,

2:29:52.160 --> 2:29:54.320
<v Speaker 9>it's going to come apart really fast, and people are

2:29:54.360 --> 2:29:57.279
<v Speaker 9>going to be really surprised by it because our organizations

2:29:57.320 --> 2:29:59.480
<v Speaker 9>have not been kind of educating people along the way.

2:30:00.080 --> 2:30:01.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna come back and talk more

2:30:01.959 --> 2:30:03.920
<v Speaker 7>about this, and we're also going to come back very

2:30:04.000 --> 2:30:07.960
<v Speaker 7>specifically to the trans woman in women's prisons thing, because

2:30:09.200 --> 2:30:12.440
<v Speaker 7>I really truly do not think since people understand how

2:30:12.480 --> 2:30:15.360
<v Speaker 7>fucking bad that is. Yeah, we're gonna come back to

2:30:15.440 --> 2:30:29.440
<v Speaker 7>that after these ads. Yeah, so we're back. Yeah. So

2:30:29.600 --> 2:30:33.520
<v Speaker 7>I wanted to specifically highlight the prisons thing in the

2:30:33.680 --> 2:30:37.200
<v Speaker 7>context of you know, Okay, so there's a chance by

2:30:37.200 --> 2:30:38.720
<v Speaker 7>the time this comes out that Biten is no longer

2:30:38.760 --> 2:30:40.640
<v Speaker 7>than m me your lips to God tears.

2:30:41.240 --> 2:30:41.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

2:30:42.400 --> 2:30:45.520
<v Speaker 7>The issue with this is that the strongest possibility for

2:30:45.560 --> 2:30:49.840
<v Speaker 7>replacing him is Kamala Harris. And you know, I'm gonna

2:30:50.000 --> 2:30:54.039
<v Speaker 7>ask you to explain Kamala Harris's record on trans women

2:30:54.200 --> 2:30:57.120
<v Speaker 7>in fucking prisons because it is appalling.

2:30:57.760 --> 2:31:01.240
<v Speaker 9>Because I can never escape these Shipler. I actually worked

2:31:01.280 --> 2:31:06.160
<v Speaker 9>at TLC while we were suing the State of California. Yeah,

2:31:06.240 --> 2:31:10.880
<v Speaker 9>Transgender Lassoner TLC. We had to sue the State of

2:31:10.959 --> 2:31:14.200
<v Speaker 9>California for incarcerated trans people to be able to access

2:31:14.760 --> 2:31:18.600
<v Speaker 9>healthcare that they deserved, and Kamala Harris, as the age

2:31:18.720 --> 2:31:23.000
<v Speaker 9>of the State of California, defended the state's position that

2:31:23.080 --> 2:31:25.959
<v Speaker 9>they did not they did have a right to healthcare.

2:31:26.520 --> 2:31:30.080
<v Speaker 9>We won, she lost, But so she is not someone

2:31:31.040 --> 2:31:35.560
<v Speaker 9>that I can ever trust with trans lives, right, especially

2:31:35.600 --> 2:31:39.440
<v Speaker 9>because there have been other issues, I think marijuana most recently,

2:31:40.280 --> 2:31:44.200
<v Speaker 9>where she has tried to kind of trumpet that she

2:31:44.320 --> 2:31:48.600
<v Speaker 9>has used her discretion and not prosecuted certain things or whatever. Right,

2:31:49.640 --> 2:31:52.920
<v Speaker 9>And that doesn't help me at all, right, because it

2:31:53.000 --> 2:31:55.480
<v Speaker 9>shows you know, you have prosecutor, you know you have

2:31:55.640 --> 2:31:57.880
<v Speaker 9>discretion in what cases you take and what you defend

2:31:57.959 --> 2:31:59.640
<v Speaker 9>and all this stuff, and you used it to prevent

2:31:59.680 --> 2:32:00.200
<v Speaker 9>trans people.

2:32:00.200 --> 2:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm geting healthcare.

2:32:02.320 --> 2:32:04.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And I want to also specifically talk about the

2:32:05.440 --> 2:32:08.400
<v Speaker 7>part about this judge sending a transfer into a women's prison,

2:32:08.480 --> 2:32:10.600
<v Speaker 7>which is the thing that you should do, because this

2:32:10.760 --> 2:32:14.840
<v Speaker 7>is the kind of thing that has to be opposed

2:32:14.879 --> 2:32:18.959
<v Speaker 7>at all costs, because you know, prison is violent enough

2:32:19.000 --> 2:32:23.520
<v Speaker 7>for everyone, it is even worse for us. And the

2:32:23.600 --> 2:32:27.760
<v Speaker 7>fact that Democrats are like, you know, it looks like

2:32:27.879 --> 2:32:30.560
<v Speaker 7>we're seeing the sort of tide break on this and

2:32:30.720 --> 2:32:35.040
<v Speaker 7>especially specifically on this issue where the consequences are so

2:32:35.280 --> 2:32:38.000
<v Speaker 7>dire it is, it is extremely bad.

2:32:38.640 --> 2:32:43.920
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, And so I kind of had the suspicion that

2:32:45.600 --> 2:32:49.080
<v Speaker 9>there was a deal struck on the NDAA that Democrats

2:32:49.560 --> 2:32:51.560
<v Speaker 9>And this is solely me speculating, right, I have no

2:32:51.760 --> 2:32:55.400
<v Speaker 9>insider information about this, speculating that the Democrats kind of

2:32:55.440 --> 2:32:57.480
<v Speaker 9>accepted a deal on the NDA that there would be

2:32:57.640 --> 2:33:02.199
<v Speaker 9>some level of anti trans writers that they would accept

2:33:02.320 --> 2:33:07.440
<v Speaker 9>and into the enacted law, and that after making that deal,

2:33:07.840 --> 2:33:12.760
<v Speaker 9>the White House felt they could kind of move to

2:33:12.879 --> 2:33:16.200
<v Speaker 9>the right publicly on trans people because you know, it

2:33:16.240 --> 2:33:18.600
<v Speaker 9>would be in the news from the NBA passing, that

2:33:18.680 --> 2:33:22.040
<v Speaker 9>they could start kind of preparing people for that by

2:33:23.320 --> 2:33:25.200
<v Speaker 9>kind of making a public and kind of moving to

2:33:25.240 --> 2:33:25.800
<v Speaker 9>the right word there.

2:33:25.879 --> 2:33:25.959
<v Speaker 7>Right.

2:33:26.000 --> 2:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of what I suspect maybe happened. I

2:33:28.840 --> 2:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but it is.

2:33:30.760 --> 2:33:35.000
<v Speaker 9>It doesn't vode well for us, especially because you know,

2:33:35.120 --> 2:33:39.200
<v Speaker 9>so the the White House's position has already been cited

2:33:39.840 --> 2:33:43.680
<v Speaker 9>in at least one judicial opinion. Ye and then was

2:33:43.760 --> 2:33:47.840
<v Speaker 9>also recently cited Yester the day before yesterday or not now, yeah, Friday,

2:33:48.120 --> 2:33:52.640
<v Speaker 9>I think it was Friday in New Hampshire as justification

2:33:53.080 --> 2:33:58.320
<v Speaker 9>from Governor Sunu for signing their surgery van there. And

2:33:58.440 --> 2:34:02.360
<v Speaker 9>so these things have immediate consequences even before they show

2:34:02.480 --> 2:34:07.560
<v Speaker 9>up in executive branch policy. And this is why I

2:34:07.760 --> 2:34:12.000
<v Speaker 9>have been very convinced ever since kind of I read

2:34:12.040 --> 2:34:15.440
<v Speaker 9>the policy Tea Leaves and the Executive orders and rags

2:34:15.520 --> 2:34:17.920
<v Speaker 9>and kind of identified that we were dealing with the

2:34:18.240 --> 2:34:20.400
<v Speaker 9>functionally a hostile executive branch.

2:34:21.120 --> 2:34:23.199
<v Speaker 1>I've been trying. I tried as hard.

2:34:23.040 --> 2:34:25.240
<v Speaker 9>As I could to get movement leadership to switch from

2:34:25.560 --> 2:34:29.879
<v Speaker 9>a kiss ass framework to a take names framework, right Yeah,

2:34:31.000 --> 2:34:34.280
<v Speaker 9>but they just they haven't done it. So the community

2:34:34.400 --> 2:34:38.360
<v Speaker 9>just doesn't. It's going to feel like whiplash, I think

2:34:38.440 --> 2:34:41.280
<v Speaker 9>for a lot of folks who aren't kind of deep

2:34:41.320 --> 2:34:43.200
<v Speaker 9>into this stuff and then don't follow me on Twitter

2:34:44.040 --> 2:34:47.440
<v Speaker 9>to see me yelling about five hundred page regulations. But

2:34:47.560 --> 2:34:50.960
<v Speaker 9>it makes me worried that, you know, the leadership is

2:34:51.080 --> 2:34:56.880
<v Speaker 9>not advocating for trans people appropriately. And I think that

2:34:58.040 --> 2:35:00.880
<v Speaker 9>if this is demonstrating that they're not don't have leverage

2:35:00.959 --> 2:35:02.760
<v Speaker 9>or they're not willing to bring a leverage to bear

2:35:03.440 --> 2:35:07.440
<v Speaker 9>on whoever the nominee is when it's not Biden, right, Like,

2:35:07.480 --> 2:35:12.080
<v Speaker 9>they're not setting the movement up to have strong footing

2:35:12.280 --> 2:35:17.080
<v Speaker 9>to hold people accountable to trans equality kind of on

2:35:17.200 --> 2:35:21.480
<v Speaker 9>the campaign trail, and that's really scary looking at labor,

2:35:21.600 --> 2:35:23.200
<v Speaker 9>especially as kind of a blueprint.

2:35:24.160 --> 2:35:26.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah we're gonna be talking of God, Yeah, we're gonna

2:35:26.560 --> 2:35:32.039
<v Speaker 7>be talking about shot o'brien'soking dog shit weird fascist turn

2:35:32.640 --> 2:35:35.880
<v Speaker 7>later with some teamsters. Well hopefully, well we'll see well

2:35:35.879 --> 2:35:38.720
<v Speaker 7>see well see apps the episode. But yeah, yeah, it's

2:35:39.320 --> 2:35:42.200
<v Speaker 7>very bad. But also it's not We're not in a

2:35:42.240 --> 2:35:45.520
<v Speaker 7>position yet where this is inevitable, right right, Like it

2:35:45.560 --> 2:35:47.760
<v Speaker 7>doesn't have to happen. And the way that it gets

2:35:47.800 --> 2:35:50.760
<v Speaker 7>this gets stopped from happening is by US organizing, in

2:35:50.879 --> 2:35:53.360
<v Speaker 7>US fighting and US putting pressure on these people to

2:35:53.400 --> 2:35:56.640
<v Speaker 7>fucking do this because you know, and like this, this

2:35:56.720 --> 2:35:58.280
<v Speaker 7>is this, this has always been the thing. Like these

2:35:58.480 --> 2:36:02.760
<v Speaker 7>people unfortunately they do need us, right, they hate it,

2:36:03.440 --> 2:36:06.440
<v Speaker 7>but you know, these like the Democratic Party needs us.

2:36:06.879 --> 2:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

2:36:07.080 --> 2:36:09.200
<v Speaker 9>We got to see last month during Pride month, they

2:36:09.280 --> 2:36:12.160
<v Speaker 9>all show up at Pride parades. Yeah yeah right, it's

2:36:12.200 --> 2:36:16.440
<v Speaker 9>like y'all actually don't belong here, Why.

2:36:15.640 --> 2:36:16.560
<v Speaker 4>Are you fuck off?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>And it's like you know, they like they they they

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<v Speaker 7>they have been successfully sort of like feasting off of

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<v Speaker 7>the movement that we build for decades now. And it

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<v Speaker 7>is you know, if they're going to fucking if they're

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<v Speaker 7>going to fucking eat our corpses, it is, it is,

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<v Speaker 7>it is, it is absolutely time for them to fucking

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<v Speaker 7>try to defend us. And the only way that's going

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<v Speaker 7>to happen is if we we actually start mobilizing it,

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<v Speaker 7>we start putting pressure on these people to like not

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<v Speaker 7>fucking back down and write us off for dead.

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<v Speaker 9>But the way that the national organizations have been moving, right,

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<v Speaker 9>like the positive press and the praise that they've given

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<v Speaker 9>deepen Biden's shittiest actions and inactions on trans people actively

2:36:59.000 --> 2:37:03.720
<v Speaker 9>stimy's commune you organizing, right, because if I have to

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<v Speaker 9>explain a five hundred page regulation to show people that

2:37:07.520 --> 2:37:11.240
<v Speaker 9>Biden's transphobic, that and they're just like no, but look,

2:37:11.360 --> 2:37:15.720
<v Speaker 9>this HRC statement says it's actually great policy, it's a

2:37:15.800 --> 2:37:18.880
<v Speaker 9>big barrier to overcome or community organizing there, right.

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, and you know, the the the other sort

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<v Speaker 7>of issue here, right, is that the Republican Party is

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I don't know if hurling towards is even

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<v Speaker 7>the right word, but they are They are very very

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<v Speaker 7>very close to what is effectively like banning Transmit from

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<v Speaker 7>public life and their eventual goal of wiping us out.

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<v Speaker 9>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and you know, if there's no actual force to

2:37:45.760 --> 2:37:48.480
<v Speaker 7>oppose that, because all of these sort of national organizations

2:37:48.520 --> 2:37:50.959
<v Speaker 7>are busy sort of kissing ass instead of actually fighting.

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<v Speaker 7>We are in deep trouble.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and I think and I think we are. I

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<v Speaker 9>think we are in deep trouble. But like you said,

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<v Speaker 9>it is not a done yet right. I was actually heartened.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very I was terrified.

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<v Speaker 9>So Zoe Zoe's Ephyr, the trans representative state representative from Montana.

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<v Speaker 9>After the draft bad Title nine regulation came out, she

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<v Speaker 9>organized an open letter from fourteen out of sixteen out

2:38:18.040 --> 2:38:21.000
<v Speaker 9>trans and non binary state electeds against it. They released

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<v Speaker 9>it a couple of days after all of the orgs

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<v Speaker 9>put out their praise were they're praising statements and they

2:38:25.680 --> 2:38:28.800
<v Speaker 9>looked really dumb. So she actually organized another open letter

2:38:29.080 --> 2:38:32.480
<v Speaker 9>of out trans and non binary state legislators against this.

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<v Speaker 9>It wasn't the you know, the full compliment because it

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<v Speaker 9>was over a weekend, really scrambly, but just like the

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<v Speaker 9>Title nine one, Dana Carome and Sarah McBride did not

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<v Speaker 9>sign it.

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<v Speaker 7>Why can you explain who that is by the way

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<v Speaker 7>for the audience.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So Dana Carome is a trans state representative from Virginia,

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<v Speaker 9>and then Sarah McBride is an out trans legislator from

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<v Speaker 9>Biden's home state of Delaware. And the mc brides are

2:39:01.040 --> 2:39:05.920
<v Speaker 9>actually family friends with the Bidens, and Joe Biden actually

2:39:06.000 --> 2:39:10.600
<v Speaker 9>wrote the forward to Sarah McBride's memoirs, autobiography whatever you

2:39:10.640 --> 2:39:13.880
<v Speaker 9>call it, right, But she's also a Zionist, and she

2:39:14.360 --> 2:39:19.600
<v Speaker 9>is a kind of centrist, center right Democrat who you know,

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<v Speaker 9>as I've talked to people, my understanding is that she

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<v Speaker 9>didn't sign on to the title nine letter because she

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<v Speaker 9>has you know, rising Star and the Democratic Party aspirations.

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<v Speaker 9>She's probably going to be the first trans congress person soon.

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<v Speaker 9>I hate it, and so I was extremely concerned that

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<v Speaker 9>Sarah McBride, who you know, because of those ties and

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<v Speaker 9>because she's probably going to be in Congress soon, is

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<v Speaker 9>the most kind of politically powerful trans person in the country.

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<v Speaker 9>I was extremely worried that she was going to join

2:39:52.440 --> 2:39:56.880
<v Speaker 9>the Biden administration on this. So I agro posted the

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<v Speaker 9>ship posts that are for several days, and thankfully she

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<v Speaker 9>she did condemn it and kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, go.

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<v Speaker 9>I was seriously concerned about that because you know, just

2:40:14.560 --> 2:40:19.120
<v Speaker 9>these the forces, this anti transit humanization campaign is so

2:40:19.400 --> 2:40:24.000
<v Speaker 9>powerful and so strong at this point that a lot

2:40:24.080 --> 2:40:26.280
<v Speaker 9>of people are making the calculation that if they want

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<v Speaker 9>to advance in politics.

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<v Speaker 1>They got a multuous you know, and I.

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<v Speaker 9>Don't think highly id and don't think highly enough and

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<v Speaker 9>Sarah to have been confident that she wouldn't do that, yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's you know, that's also one of the

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<v Speaker 7>really hard parts about this is like you, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 7>as much as there is sort of intercommunity solidarity among

2:40:49.879 --> 2:40:53.959
<v Speaker 7>trans people, you can't even trust your own people when

2:40:53.959 --> 2:40:56.800
<v Speaker 7>they take power right, right, And you know, this isn't

2:40:56.840 --> 2:40:58.440
<v Speaker 7>to say like this is one of the rare times

2:40:58.480 --> 2:41:00.640
<v Speaker 7>where like I think there are like there's legislators who

2:41:00.920 --> 2:41:03.280
<v Speaker 7>do good stuff, like Zoey's effort has been doing great,

2:41:03.720 --> 2:41:07.040
<v Speaker 7>But you have to keep the pressure on everyone, no

2:41:07.160 --> 2:41:08.760
<v Speaker 7>matter who they are about it, where they come from,

2:41:08.840 --> 2:41:11.560
<v Speaker 7>you have to you have to keep pressuring them, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, that's my experience as now does.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, if you don't, we're going to get We're going

2:41:16.440 --> 2:41:19.640
<v Speaker 7>to get left behind and left to die. Yeah.

2:41:21.360 --> 2:41:24.040
<v Speaker 9>And so like one of the one of the ways

2:41:24.160 --> 2:41:27.080
<v Speaker 9>that this has been so dismaying for me, right is

2:41:27.800 --> 2:41:31.959
<v Speaker 9>that trans people don't have any or any national organization

2:41:33.240 --> 2:41:40.320
<v Speaker 9>that advocates for them full throatdly, principally in a trans

2:41:40.400 --> 2:41:44.240
<v Speaker 9>maximalist kind of unapologetic way, right, it's always all of

2:41:44.280 --> 2:41:47.600
<v Speaker 9>the orgs, all the lgbtq worgs and the Transpacific orgs,

2:41:47.600 --> 2:41:50.480
<v Speaker 9>which is kind of what I'm getting to all kind

2:41:50.560 --> 2:41:51.760
<v Speaker 9>of take this very.

2:41:53.640 --> 2:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Centrist tech or they have over the last several years

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<v Speaker 1>with Biden.

2:41:57.360 --> 2:41:59.040
<v Speaker 9>They were all kind of a lot happier to be

2:41:59.080 --> 2:42:01.640
<v Speaker 9>radical when Trump is pres but no longer. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>And my my main issue is even if you are,

2:42:07.280 --> 2:42:10.119
<v Speaker 9>you know, a rich DC strategist who leads, who runs

2:42:10.160 --> 2:42:14.880
<v Speaker 9>these movement orgs like you know they are, and you believe,

2:42:15.200 --> 2:42:20.120
<v Speaker 9>even you believe that the balance between kind of strident,

2:42:20.240 --> 2:42:26.880
<v Speaker 9>principled advocacy and lobbying blazer tightened up moderated advocacy is

2:42:27.879 --> 2:42:29.720
<v Speaker 9>way further in the moderated direction than I do.

2:42:29.840 --> 2:42:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Even if you believe that, you still.

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<v Speaker 9>Understand the need for some group with a voice to

2:42:38.320 --> 2:42:42.760
<v Speaker 9>articulate the trans maximalist position, to articulate the standards by

2:42:42.840 --> 2:42:45.440
<v Speaker 9>which you know, politicians are going to be measured if

2:42:45.440 --> 2:42:47.320
<v Speaker 9>they're going to be considered pro trans.

2:42:48.080 --> 2:42:52.199
<v Speaker 1>And what we have not seen is the trans.

2:42:51.959 --> 2:42:56.800
<v Speaker 9>Specific organization, so specifically National Center for transgener Quality n

2:42:56.800 --> 2:43:01.760
<v Speaker 9>CT and Transferred Legal Education Defense Fund, till death. They

2:43:01.840 --> 2:43:06.680
<v Speaker 9>recently merged into Advocates for Trans Equality, which is abbreviated

2:43:06.760 --> 2:43:12.720
<v Speaker 9>A for a te don't ask, don't ask, But like,

2:43:12.840 --> 2:43:18.720
<v Speaker 9>why let the LGBT, let HRC do the centrist bullshit,

2:43:18.959 --> 2:43:22.279
<v Speaker 9>Let them put out milk toast statements, let them praise

2:43:22.800 --> 2:43:27.040
<v Speaker 9>politicians who don't fully support us. Right, but we need

2:43:27.120 --> 2:43:31.200
<v Speaker 9>at least one organization representing trans people to lay out

2:43:31.600 --> 2:43:36.480
<v Speaker 9>the full case to present kind of our actual policy

2:43:36.600 --> 2:43:40.480
<v Speaker 9>needs and be the rubric by which everyone else can

2:43:40.520 --> 2:43:43.640
<v Speaker 9>be measured. And also just for community education, so we know,

2:43:44.760 --> 2:43:48.320
<v Speaker 9>so the community knows without you know, people like organizers,

2:43:48.360 --> 2:43:51.400
<v Speaker 9>people like me trying to overcome these huge, these huge

2:43:51.879 --> 2:43:54.600
<v Speaker 9>walls to get people to understand what's going on, can

2:43:54.920 --> 2:43:57.680
<v Speaker 9>see what's being done to us, know what we deserve

2:43:57.879 --> 2:44:00.680
<v Speaker 9>in terms of policy, and then measure what is actually

2:44:00.720 --> 2:44:02.320
<v Speaker 9>being done for us against that bar.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And I think one of the other frustrating aspects

2:44:06.640 --> 2:44:08.400
<v Speaker 7>of this is something that you talk about a lot,

2:44:08.680 --> 2:44:13.000
<v Speaker 7>is that the people who do the work in these organizations, right,

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<v Speaker 7>you're sort of like, you know, your sort of staffers

2:44:15.240 --> 2:44:17.280
<v Speaker 7>or researchers to people on the on the sort of

2:44:17.320 --> 2:44:19.360
<v Speaker 7>bottom of the pyramid. You make all this stuff function.

2:44:19.680 --> 2:44:22.200
<v Speaker 7>They don't get a say in how these you know,

2:44:22.320 --> 2:44:24.720
<v Speaker 7>and how how these fucking orgers put these things out.

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<v Speaker 9>No, most of them are radical anarchists and communists like

2:44:28.440 --> 2:44:32.280
<v Speaker 9>I am right. They they really really want to do

2:44:32.680 --> 2:44:36.000
<v Speaker 9>what we need to be done, and it's just you know,

2:44:36.080 --> 2:44:39.480
<v Speaker 9>comes down from on high that that's not what they're doing.

2:44:40.400 --> 2:44:44.279
<v Speaker 9>And I know that I am not the only trans

2:44:45.040 --> 2:44:49.400
<v Speaker 9>National ORG staffer who has been silenced by the White

2:44:49.440 --> 2:44:51.840
<v Speaker 9>House or the White House reached out directly to my bosses.

2:44:51.840 --> 2:44:53.280
<v Speaker 9>I think I mentioned it the last time I was

2:44:53.320 --> 2:44:56.720
<v Speaker 9>on Yeah, but I know that's happened to my colleagues,

2:44:56.879 --> 2:45:01.400
<v Speaker 9>friends at other organizations. And I know that I have

2:45:01.440 --> 2:45:03.560
<v Speaker 9>a lot of privileges that that a lot of people don't,

2:45:04.400 --> 2:45:06.160
<v Speaker 9>so I can kind of get fired or I could.

2:45:06.280 --> 2:45:09.400
<v Speaker 9>I do not maybe couldn't afford it anymore. I get

2:45:09.440 --> 2:45:12.600
<v Speaker 9>fired for my principles, and I don't, you know, I don't,

2:45:12.600 --> 2:45:15.279
<v Speaker 9>I don't judge, you know, my my comrades and colleagues

2:45:15.560 --> 2:45:19.600
<v Speaker 9>horstal kind of doing the best they can. But I'm

2:45:20.000 --> 2:45:24.680
<v Speaker 9>really really scared with with leadership and the way that

2:45:24.760 --> 2:45:29.560
<v Speaker 9>they have not recognized kind of the situation they've gotten a.

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<v Speaker 7>Sent to Yeah, and I think the thing I want

2:45:32.680 --> 2:45:36.520
<v Speaker 7>to close on is what do you think are effective

2:45:36.560 --> 2:45:39.920
<v Speaker 7>things that people can do sort of now right? And

2:45:40.000 --> 2:45:42.000
<v Speaker 7>people who aren't in the top of these power structures.

2:45:42.000 --> 2:45:43.960
<v Speaker 7>Although if you're for some reason you're the head of

2:45:44.000 --> 2:45:45.480
<v Speaker 7>one of these orgs and you're listening to this, what

2:45:45.560 --> 2:45:48.000
<v Speaker 7>the fuck are you doing? Please do better?

2:45:48.440 --> 2:45:49.400
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, what what?

2:45:49.600 --> 2:45:49.640
<v Speaker 7>What?

2:45:49.800 --> 2:45:49.840
<v Speaker 6>What?

2:45:50.000 --> 2:45:51.840
<v Speaker 7>What kinds of things can people do on top of

2:45:51.920 --> 2:45:53.760
<v Speaker 7>sort of just like community education?

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<v Speaker 9>And yeah, yeah, so, I mean I I think the

2:45:57.800 --> 2:46:00.640
<v Speaker 9>real thing that I mean, I've courage people to do

2:46:00.720 --> 2:46:04.040
<v Speaker 9>this on Twitter as well, is if you see one

2:46:04.120 --> 2:46:09.240
<v Speaker 9>of these national organizations fall short of one hundred percent

2:46:10.160 --> 2:46:12.840
<v Speaker 9>and advocating for a transop, if you see them equivocate

2:46:13.080 --> 2:46:16.400
<v Speaker 9>about you know, maybe banning surgery isn't that bad because

2:46:16.400 --> 2:46:20.040
<v Speaker 9>it's not super common, or maybe it's okay not to

2:46:20.760 --> 2:46:24.400
<v Speaker 9>demand that Biden, you know, explicitly say that he supports

2:46:25.040 --> 2:46:28.040
<v Speaker 9>you know, these parts of these components of our healthcare

2:46:28.080 --> 2:46:30.400
<v Speaker 9>before calling him on hundred percent protrans on healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that kind of stuff.

2:46:32.200 --> 2:46:34.440
<v Speaker 9>If you see them fall short of that, you know,

2:46:35.480 --> 2:46:38.200
<v Speaker 9>don't trust them anymore. I don't donate to them anymore.

2:46:38.320 --> 2:46:42.440
<v Speaker 9>Take that money, attention, time, and energy and turn it

2:46:42.560 --> 2:46:48.680
<v Speaker 9>to mutual aid efforts, to local organizing efforts to supporting

2:46:48.800 --> 2:46:51.880
<v Speaker 9>trans people in Red states. Campaign for southerner Quality just

2:46:51.959 --> 2:46:57.360
<v Speaker 9>expanded their their practical support program to be not just

2:46:57.520 --> 2:47:02.040
<v Speaker 9>a subset of of Red states that they will help

2:47:02.280 --> 2:47:05.520
<v Speaker 9>trans youth in families in, but all Red states that

2:47:05.600 --> 2:47:09.359
<v Speaker 9>are that are facing healthcare bands and similar anti trans measures.

2:47:10.440 --> 2:47:14.760
<v Speaker 9>Support that fund right, go look at and if you

2:47:14.840 --> 2:47:17.200
<v Speaker 9>don't know of a of a local trans group or

2:47:17.200 --> 2:47:20.480
<v Speaker 9>a state transgroup near you doing good work, you can

2:47:20.520 --> 2:47:25.040
<v Speaker 9>go to transjustice funding projects kind of grantee map. They're

2:47:25.320 --> 2:47:29.400
<v Speaker 9>really low barrier only grant to translated groups and you

2:47:29.440 --> 2:47:31.480
<v Speaker 9>can see what those groups are doing and you can

2:47:31.520 --> 2:47:33.920
<v Speaker 9>hook up with them or donate to them. But I

2:47:33.959 --> 2:47:35.760
<v Speaker 9>think that the biggest thing is not I mean, we

2:47:36.760 --> 2:47:39.320
<v Speaker 9>Lord knows, we need money, we're all poor as shit, yeah,

2:47:39.720 --> 2:47:42.480
<v Speaker 9>But mainly, but mostly honestly, what I think we need

2:47:42.680 --> 2:47:47.039
<v Speaker 9>is we need vocal, visible support. We need assist people

2:47:47.440 --> 2:47:52.920
<v Speaker 9>not to remain silent or passive when they hear or

2:47:53.000 --> 2:47:58.400
<v Speaker 9>see transphobia, or when they hear or see someone equivocating

2:47:58.560 --> 2:48:00.920
<v Speaker 9>on well maybe you know, maybe kids aren't old enough

2:48:01.000 --> 2:48:04.680
<v Speaker 9>to know their trands. Like if you're that just sounds

2:48:04.720 --> 2:48:07.440
<v Speaker 9>insane actual trans people, right, but you know it can

2:48:07.480 --> 2:48:09.840
<v Speaker 9>take this people, right, And so if you are a

2:48:09.920 --> 2:48:13.760
<v Speaker 9>SIS ally, being an ally is an action, right, And

2:48:13.920 --> 2:48:16.480
<v Speaker 9>we need that now more than ever as the stakes

2:48:16.959 --> 2:48:21.480
<v Speaker 9>of the risks of being attached to us supporting us

2:48:22.240 --> 2:48:27.119
<v Speaker 9>grow higher, right, Like, we need principal allies to stand

2:48:27.200 --> 2:48:29.520
<v Speaker 9>with us. And so if you can do that in

2:48:29.640 --> 2:48:32.360
<v Speaker 9>your daily life, you can be a trans advocate in

2:48:32.480 --> 2:48:33.600
<v Speaker 9>your kind of routine.

2:48:34.400 --> 2:48:35.360
<v Speaker 1>We desperately need that.

2:48:36.320 --> 2:48:39.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And I think that's a good I know that

2:48:40.120 --> 2:48:42.440
<v Speaker 7>that's a good sort of rallying cry. It's like all

2:48:42.520 --> 2:48:45.640
<v Speaker 7>all you know, and this has always substantively been one

2:48:45.640 --> 2:48:47.880
<v Speaker 7>of the big issues with being trans is that we

2:48:47.959 --> 2:48:50.760
<v Speaker 7>are one percent of the population right now. Right, that's

2:48:50.800 --> 2:48:54.160
<v Speaker 7>probably gonna rise in the future, but right now are

2:48:54.400 --> 2:48:57.920
<v Speaker 7>sort of distributed pauls, like our distributed impacts on politics.

2:48:58.360 --> 2:49:00.440
<v Speaker 7>You know, we have an outsized impact of paul But

2:49:01.160 --> 2:49:04.680
<v Speaker 7>for one percent of the population, we can't fight nine

2:49:04.720 --> 2:49:08.360
<v Speaker 7>percent of the population, right, So we need we need

2:49:08.440 --> 2:49:10.600
<v Speaker 7>your help, and we need you know, we need not

2:49:10.959 --> 2:49:13.240
<v Speaker 7>just sort of milk toast lip service.

2:49:13.360 --> 2:49:16.680
<v Speaker 9>We need to actually fight, Yeah, we need people in

2:49:16.760 --> 2:49:19.920
<v Speaker 9>your life to know you know that you are fully

2:49:20.280 --> 2:49:23.039
<v Speaker 9>pro trands and that means that you kind of learned

2:49:23.040 --> 2:49:26.240
<v Speaker 9>maybe how to talk about trans healthcare to educate other

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<v Speaker 9>folks who won't know as much, or you are able

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<v Speaker 9>to develop and kind of share a personal story about

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<v Speaker 9>how you learned about trans people and uh and became

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<v Speaker 9>you know, an outlying right, So learning how to do

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<v Speaker 9>that work I think is super important.

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<v Speaker 7>So this is this is spinning can happen here, Kriinn,

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 9>Like I said that timing of the last show, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>very smart.

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<v Speaker 7>It's yeah, we I have I have a weird knack

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<v Speaker 7>for tibing this stuff correctly for mostly for but you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>just been nicking up here. You can find us in

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<v Speaker 7>the places and yeah, go go support the trans people

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<v Speaker 7>in your life because the Lord knows they need it.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and you can follow me. Yeah, so I'm crankering,

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<v Speaker 9>I share they pronouns, and I'm at gay Narcan on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 9>You can find me there for hot trans policy takes

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<v Speaker 9>that are not moderated by centrist calm staff.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and don't find me on Twitter. Absolutely not.

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