Speaker 1: How many hours of sleep does a healthy adult need?
Speaker 2: At least seven?
Speaker 1: Is eleven? Depressing?
Speaker 2: Eleven? Something's going on?
Speaker 3: O good, coshha cosh sh show.
Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Tosh Show. Great to be here on
Speaker 1: this blessed Tuesday. Tuesday. The day is so great they
Speaker 1: gave it two days. I like it. How you doing, Eddie,
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. How are you doing? You know, just
Speaker 1: getting ready for Mother's Day?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, gearing up.
Speaker 1: Your mom's still alive.
Speaker 2: She is good?
Speaker 1: Good? That is awkward when he asked somebody they're I know?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you got to know going and
Speaker 2: as they are.
Speaker 1: No, no, you canna? How are you gonna know without asking?
Speaker 2: I think you're doing it just to be nice.
Speaker 1: I always assume people's mothers are alive, and then I'm
Speaker 1: just rocked to the core when I fin out there,
Speaker 1: dead as shit. Yea deadis ship. Oh I am not
Speaker 1: looking forward to the day my mom dies. Okay, that
Speaker 1: being said, I prepare for it. What have you prepared?
Speaker 1: Which is what I'm gonna say at her funeral.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give us a little taste.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat box.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'll tell you why I'm in to beat boxing
Speaker 5: ever since that one in sync song where justin Timberlake
Speaker 5: just just went to town. I was like, oh man,
Speaker 5: this is the most ridiculous started to a show I've
Speaker 5: ever done.
Speaker 1: It's good. I need to check into my mom because
Speaker 1: Mother's Days coming up? Okay, and No, normally I just
Speaker 1: get my mom a card, but this year I got
Speaker 1: our car. Boom. Who's her favorite prodigal son? Two prodigal sons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's two prodigal sons, both both yeah, both me and
Speaker 1: my brother Andrew. Straight. That's so funny. We went across
Speaker 1: the country. She's got two prodigal sons. When we do return,
Speaker 1: there will be no one there to kill the fatted calf.
Speaker 1: These are all things I worry about anyway. No, I
Speaker 1: got my mama car. Oh my goodness. It's just the
Speaker 1: generosity that oozes out of me.
Speaker 2: What kind of card you get her?
Speaker 1: That's a beat he you know, no real lemon, But
Speaker 1: it's way worse than the car she was currently driving. Nobody,
Speaker 1: you know. Listen, all she talks about now is there's
Speaker 1: just too much technology in it. Ah, let's see that
Speaker 1: old hag's up too. I love her, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, this is Marco.
Speaker 1: I've never once planned for her not answering her phone.
Speaker 1: What could she be doing at three or clock on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday? That's prime awake time? Wa Hey, uh? Two things? One?
Speaker 1: How many cinnamon rolls did you eat?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Three? H seems tuesday seems like an unacceptable number. All right,
Speaker 1: where and where's mom? She's here? Do you want her? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me talk to her.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 1: Why don't you answer on your phone?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was just looking at my phone. It was right there,
Speaker 2: doesn't say.
Speaker 1: What are you talking? You change your number? Oh?
Speaker 4: No, I always have it silence, But yeah, I didn't
Speaker 4: have it in my pocket.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: Have you Have you figured out how to get your
Speaker 1: phone hooked up to your new car? The bluetooth? Is
Speaker 1: that roll?
Speaker 4: No? Dad's doing that? Dad soaking his up. I'm not
Speaker 4: doing that. I don't do all that. That's crazy. There's
Speaker 4: so much. I mean, I love the new car, I
Speaker 4: really do, but there's a lot of things that I
Speaker 4: don't even know how to work.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to open.
Speaker 4: The sun roof and the all the buttons on the
Speaker 4: top of it.
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta get in there and tinker. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: about id. Does the seat have massaging or no?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Does our seat? What about colder? Ask them if it
Speaker 1: blows cold air?
Speaker 2: Does it blow cold air on my butt?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, I bet it does?
Speaker 2: You think it does?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, there's like next to the heated seats, there's
Speaker 1: like a one that you make it, press it again,
Speaker 1: make it turn blue. Oh, by the way, this counts
Speaker 1: as my Mother's Day gift. What this phone call the car?
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, we're leaving. We're leaving this weekend
Speaker 4: for North Carolina. So I was going to tell you, anyway,
Speaker 4: don't send flowers because we won't be here for a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: For a three weeks, I think.
Speaker 1: Is this your first road trip with the new whip?
Speaker 4: Huh uh huh.
Speaker 6: I really do like driving, and I you know, the
Speaker 6: thing is, I know now I should have gotten rid
Speaker 6: of the old car, But it scared me, Daniel that
Speaker 6: last time when it heat it up and it said
Speaker 6: get all.
Speaker 2: Right away, I thought it was going to blow up.
Speaker 2: It scared me a lot. And and you know, we
Speaker 2: never had trouble till January.
Speaker 4: We started having one thing after another, and it was
Speaker 4: so strange, so I hope Mike can sell it.
Speaker 2: Then, I you know, I wish we.
Speaker 4: Had done it last fall when you had suggested. But
Speaker 4: you know, I, oh, we should have done it ourselves.
Speaker 4: We should have just gone down and traded that in
Speaker 4: and gotten the car ourselves. But I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: just the timing wasn't right or but but now I'm
Speaker 4: I was afraid of that car in the end, you know,
Speaker 4: And it was such a good car for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Oh, sorry about that, I'm back.
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1: I'm teasing. That's just a bit. That is just a bit.
Speaker 1: I heard everything he said. It was such a it's
Speaker 1: so long as long as I've ever talked to you.
Speaker 1: Pete was worried. This wasn't gonna be long enough for
Speaker 1: an act one.
Speaker 2: This isn't gonna be on. This isn't night, No Daniel
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Don't worry about it, all right, Let me go. Then,
Speaker 1: I got I got I got work to do, save travels.
Speaker 1: Talk to you soon, Love you bye. I tell you what.
Speaker 1: I could use a nap now, And today's guest will
Speaker 1: watch me enjoy.
Speaker 3: Posha.
Speaker 1: My guest today has dedicated her life's work to my
Speaker 1: favorite part of the day. She has a medical degree
Speaker 1: in counting sheep. Please welcome the sleep Guru herself, Meredith Meredith,
Speaker 1: thank you for being here, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: My first question, Doctor Meredith, do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Hmm, it's good to hear.
Speaker 2: They still scare me though.
Speaker 1: Well. Sure, A lot of things that aren't real if
Speaker 1: they appeared would terrify me. You were born in Korea
Speaker 1: and adopted by a family from Akron, Ohio. Now I
Speaker 1: want you to be honest as an infant when you
Speaker 1: found out that you lived in Ohio, where you like,
Speaker 1: this is fucking horrible.
Speaker 2: My favorite T shirt of all time is it's a
Speaker 2: T shirt of the skyline of Cleveland and it says
Speaker 2: Cleveland You've got to be tough, which is true.
Speaker 1: How is that skyline? Is it? I get? Are there
Speaker 1: memorable buildings to make up that skyline in Cleveland?
Speaker 2: Not really? There's the Key Bank building and there's a
Speaker 2: rock rock and Roll Hall of Fame. No, that's right,
Speaker 2: that's kind of a highlight.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've walked around that thing a few times.
Speaker 1: Never stepped foot inside, but I've walked around it as
Speaker 1: a first generation immigrant with white parents. What was Ohio
Speaker 1: like in the eighties? Were you aware? Did you feel like, Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I never even knew the term transracial
Speaker 2: adoptee until I think I moved to Seattle, But id it?
Speaker 2: Does you do have this like George of the Jungle
Speaker 2: feel when you're like, you're like, you're like Asian on
Speaker 2: the outside, but you feel like a white you think
Speaker 2: like a white person.
Speaker 1: What I think like a white person? Mean?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the first time I kind of got
Speaker 2: to know a lot of Asians was when I went
Speaker 2: for my fellowship at Stanford and there were a lot
Speaker 2: of Asians there.
Speaker 1: Stanford hit the bell. That's another one. We have so
Speaker 1: many Stanford grads on this show. It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: That was the first time you met a lot of Asians?
Speaker 1: Is here in California?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know, when you meet other Asians, they
Speaker 2: have like a secret handshake and they expect you to
Speaker 2: know certain things, and when you don't, they're sort of like,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's what's wrong with you? Like why
Speaker 2: don't you know? Or people will just start speaking in
Speaker 2: Korean to me and I'm like, I does not compute.
Speaker 1: How about now? So now I feel like course I did, Like.
Speaker 2: When I was in college, I took Korean and I
Speaker 2: met more Korean people. But still there's this feeling of
Speaker 2: like kind of almost like an imposter syndrome, like I
Speaker 2: don't belong in this group.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's kind of an interesting like racial identity to come from.
Speaker 1: Like what about what about with your children? Are you
Speaker 1: making them more aware of their So my daughter.
Speaker 2: She's in kindergarten. She came home and she said I
Speaker 2: told her that she's half Korean. They were talking about
Speaker 2: that and I said, you know, you're half Korean and
Speaker 2: she said, well, will I be full Korean when I
Speaker 2: grow up?
Speaker 1: It's a great question. That's a good kid.
Speaker 2: So it's hard to explain, of course it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, but it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting to explain.
Speaker 1: You attended the Ohio State University. Did you say it
Speaker 1: like that? Yes, like a complete asshole.
Speaker 2: That's how we say it, because there's Ohio University, I know,
Speaker 2: and you just we don't want to be associated.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't. Those two of rarely are
Speaker 1: confused with each other. But okay, did you have a
Speaker 1: good time at that university quite a party school.
Speaker 2: No I did. I had a really good time, really
Speaker 2: good time.
Speaker 1: Columbus has always been one of my favorite cities to
Speaker 1: perform in shows. I love going there. What's your least
Speaker 1: favorite Ohio city? Dayton?
Speaker 2: Dayton?
Speaker 1: Dayton is awful. Have you ever been there?
Speaker 2: Just briefly?
Speaker 1: It's no good. That's a garbage city. John John back there.
Speaker 1: He's from Ohio, so here he cares about everything. I
Speaker 1: don't care. Where are you from in Ohio? I grew
Speaker 1: up very east, probably like two hours from Columbus. Okay,
Speaker 1: two hours from Columbus. It's not even a place two
Speaker 1: hours you can go across the whole state. It takes four,
Speaker 1: all right. So you're a sleep expert, I am.
Speaker 2: I'm a sleep neurologist.
Speaker 1: Somebody has sleep problems. What do they do? What are
Speaker 1: their normal complaints or problems? And they come to you?
Speaker 1: What's the process?
Speaker 2: Basically? I evaluate people and I try to use my
Speaker 2: training and try to classify their disorder into medical descriptions. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, snoring is a really common reason people will
Speaker 2: come see me. Being sleepy during the day is really common.
Speaker 2: Insomnia is really common. And then you'll get some unique
Speaker 2: things like sleepwalking, acting up my dreams type things, nightmares.
Speaker 1: That's fun. People start walking around and doing things.
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting. My brother was actually a sleepwalker, and
Speaker 2: he would do things like climb out of like he
Speaker 2: would punch out his window and like jump off the
Speaker 2: roof and like run around and ring the doorbell. And
Speaker 2: I have a lot more sympathy for my mom now
Speaker 2: that I'm mean that's a crazy person.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It was very severe and it I think it was.
Speaker 1: Like, well, I was slept through it until one day.
Speaker 2: But I mean he used to walk. He went to
Speaker 2: Ohio University and that explains it. And he would he said,
Speaker 2: he would like up in the middle of like campus
Speaker 2: and his boxer shorts and be like how did I
Speaker 2: get here?
Speaker 1: You know, he's still doing this nonsense.
Speaker 2: I think it's better now. I think to some he
Speaker 2: like grew out of it to some degree, but he
Speaker 2: like can't if he goes to a hotel or like
Speaker 2: spends the night he wants to sleep on the first
Speaker 2: floor in the basement. So there's like long lasting effects
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Jesus. Yeah, I would travel with handcuffs and just literally
Speaker 1: handcuff me to the bed. Every night and then you
Speaker 1: can uncuff me in the morning.
Speaker 2: Not a bad idea. I mean there are some people
Speaker 2: that we have them like zip themselves up in like
Speaker 2: a really tight sleeping bag and like put mits on
Speaker 2: their hands and you know they can't have anything sharp
Speaker 2: in their room.
Speaker 1: Do you watch these people sleep? Is that part of
Speaker 1: your job? Ever? It is? Oh, it's so weird. Are
Speaker 1: are you bored? Or he's got like a motion sense?
Speaker 1: Or do they let you know when the highlights are coming?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, so we record it and then I would
Speaker 2: page through it.
Speaker 1: You don't go to their house and just just hover. No,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no personal visits that it seems like
Speaker 1: a fun thing to do. Don't mind her, she's just
Speaker 1: gonna watch us tonight.
Speaker 2: Well, nowadays two people will record themselves and they'll send
Speaker 2: me things like sometimes they'll get a message on social
Speaker 2: media like can you just look at this video? And
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting sometimes the way people set up cameras
Speaker 2: and like people will like do it just of their
Speaker 2: eyes And I'll be like, yeah, that's just when as
Speaker 2: you're falling asleep, your eyes kind of rove side to
Speaker 2: side and it's just normal.
Speaker 1: They thought they were posastrous.
Speaker 2: I thought it was something wrong.
Speaker 1: How many of your clients sleep issues are actually linked
Speaker 1: to unresolved trauma?
Speaker 2: I would say a pretty high percentage, maybe thirty percent.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're basically a therapist.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: Are they expected to tell you like stuff that they
Speaker 1: went through?
Speaker 2: They don't always tell people. I've had people write me
Speaker 2: a letter years later and tell me something that they
Speaker 2: were holding in and they finally addressed it.
Speaker 1: Right when I see, what's the first thing we have
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 2: We would just talk for about an hour about your sleep,
Speaker 2: about your life, and me really understanding what you're trying
Speaker 2: to fix.
Speaker 1: Insurance cover this? It does in Seattle? I bet it does?
Speaker 1: Does it everywhere?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 6: Does?
Speaker 2: You take insurance or no, I take out of network insurance.
Speaker 1: Okay? Do people in general sleep better in Seattle because
Speaker 1: of all the rain?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I actually think the light dark
Speaker 2: cycle because it's so dramatic there probably messes with people.
Speaker 2: Plus there's all the tech people and you know they
Speaker 2: have issues.
Speaker 1: Why did you specialize in sleep? One?
Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting. Two, when you practice
Speaker 2: neurology and you see people having strokes and you know,
Speaker 2: diagnose them with horrible things, you think, gosh, we've got
Speaker 2: to do something more about prevention. And so that really
Speaker 2: appealed to me. And back when I chose it as
Speaker 2: a profession, people thought it was really strange, like it
Speaker 2: wasn't even a real field. I remember being in in
Speaker 2: my fellowship and meeting people and saying, is that like
Speaker 2: a real specially like I think they thought maybe I
Speaker 2: was kind of like a complimentary medicine type.
Speaker 1: Of something, like you were ahead of the curve. Because
Speaker 1: now everyone cares yes so much. I mean listening off
Speaker 1: my father in law, just watching him strap up his
Speaker 1: seapat machine at night, and I'm just like, then he's
Speaker 1: bragging about his scores in the morning, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got over an eighty Is that good?
Speaker 2: It is good?
Speaker 1: Okay? How many hours of sleep does a healthy adult need?
Speaker 2: At least seven between seven and nine. We like to say,
Speaker 2: like there's this Goldilock zone, not too little, not too much,
Speaker 2: but seven and nine.
Speaker 1: Is eleven depressing?
Speaker 2: Eleven something's going on?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I'd like. I like, No, I like,
Speaker 1: what do I like? I can't even do the math.
Speaker 1: I'm at least an eight hour sleeper.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: But I don't sleep it straight? Is that okay? That
Speaker 1: I get up of three or four times in the night,
Speaker 1: maybe two or three?
Speaker 2: Are they short?
Speaker 1: Very short, just to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's what we wake up after every sleep cycle.
Speaker 2: That's probably what's happening. If you think about it, It's
Speaker 2: like how to protect yourself if you're living in the wild, right,
Speaker 2: you wake up, you look around, and then you go
Speaker 2: back to sleep. You're making sure everything's still okay.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm protecting my house. Oh man, that's good.
Speaker 1: That's also my biggest fear about jail. I don't think
Speaker 1: I sleep has effect in my life to where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to commit a crime because going
Speaker 1: to jail that just seems like such a nightmare to me.
Speaker 1: How they sleep in there?
Speaker 2: What do they do in jail?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know that. First of all, you only get
Speaker 1: one pillow, okay, and then there's a threat at all
Speaker 1: times somebody doing something to you, like your brother, except
Speaker 1: for they're not asleep. Yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just seems crazy if jail was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: can have three pillows and you can stay in your
Speaker 1: cell all day and sleep all day and night and
Speaker 1: we won't bug you. Then I'd be like, okay, jail
Speaker 1: sounds okay, but the fact that it's like no rise
Speaker 1: and shine, and you got to get why are they
Speaker 1: waking people up? I'll be honest with me, I don't
Speaker 1: even know that they do, but I feel like I
Speaker 1: think they do anyway, Stroke prevention, How is sleep related
Speaker 1: to this?
Speaker 2: Well, if you have a sleep disorder, you're more at
Speaker 2: risk for vascular disease, so heart attack and stroke, because
Speaker 2: sleep plays such an important role in restoring our health
Speaker 2: and immune function. If we don't sleep well, our blood
Speaker 2: pressure goes up and that's a huge risk factor for
Speaker 2: vascular disease.
Speaker 1: I this is great. All this stuff makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because nothing bothers me more when I talk to those
Speaker 1: people that I, oh, it's just three or four hours,
Speaker 1: that's all I need. And I'm like, what's the best
Speaker 1: position to sleep in?
Speaker 2: Depends on what you're thinking about. But interestingly, there was
Speaker 2: a study that just came out in January in a
Speaker 2: very prestigious journal called Cell. These scientists think that when
Speaker 2: we sleep on our sides, we can drain our veins
Speaker 2: on our neck. We have these big jugular veins in
Speaker 2: our neck and this clearance of waste that happens when
Speaker 2: we sleep. We get better drainage when we sleep on
Speaker 2: our sides. And depending on how the anatomy of your
Speaker 2: venous drainage, you may to do both sides or sleep
Speaker 2: on one side.
Speaker 1: But I like this answer. I sleep on. I sleep
Speaker 1: on my sides, flip back and forth throughout the night,
Speaker 1: and then occasionally I'll do a little bit on my back,
Speaker 1: and occasionally I'll do a little on my stomach. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, I don't have a set position.
Speaker 1: Now my wife just sleeps, doesn't move, doesn't remove the covers,
Speaker 1: and just sweats all night long. I just find it
Speaker 1: disturbing and disgusting. What's the ideal temperature we should be
Speaker 1: sleeping at?
Speaker 2: They say sixty five? Does sixty eight degrees?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's my heaven if you could talk
Speaker 1: my wife into sixty five. No, it's just it's like
Speaker 1: seventy two, just something awful. What kind of mattress should
Speaker 1: we be using?
Speaker 2: There is some personal preference. What's subjective, and for some
Speaker 2: people it depends on you know, how much you weigh,
Speaker 2: So the more you weigh the firmer mattress you're gonna
Speaker 2: need and so, but like a medium firm is generally
Speaker 2: like you know what most people are gonna prefer. And
Speaker 2: there's some a little bit of science around. It should
Speaker 2: be heat dissipating, so you know, it's keeping you your
Speaker 2: body cool. You're not getting hot.
Speaker 1: Everything she's wrong, right, everything she sleeps wrong. She shouldn't
Speaker 1: be this hot. All right, that's a firmished matdress. But
Speaker 1: I do I have a little bit of the acid reflex.
Speaker 1: So I've put the blocks up on the bed to
Speaker 1: for a slight that's fine, right, yep?
Speaker 2: Or no, No, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1: What about those beds the old people have the foldable ones?
Speaker 1: Are people actually sleeping those things?
Speaker 2: People do? There are some people that need to elevate more,
Speaker 2: either because you know their body weight, it helps them
Speaker 2: kind of mechanically breathe easier, or for reflex. You know,
Speaker 2: some people just have trouble getting out of bed, and
Speaker 2: so it's helpful for them.
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, I don't like it when they
Speaker 1: have beds that are split in half, where one half
Speaker 1: can do something in the other half and then there's
Speaker 1: a seam in the middle. All of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: want to roll over and say hi to what's her name?
Speaker 1: You know, now I've got a seam.
Speaker 2: Well, but you know what with the temperature thing like
Speaker 2: you're talking about, they have those cooling mattresses now where
Speaker 2: like you know, you can have the cooling mattress on
Speaker 2: your head.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care about any of that.
Speaker 1: That's and you know the worst mattresses of those air
Speaker 1: any sleep numbers where they have the air that's garbage.
Speaker 1: Is snoring a sign of someone getting real sound sleep
Speaker 1: or a sign that they're about to die.
Speaker 2: It's more on the about to die closer to the
Speaker 2: about to die. Although you can do that for a
Speaker 2: long time and your body sort of makes adaptations and
Speaker 2: they're not necessarily great adaptations. Like your your brain starts
Speaker 2: stops being as arousable, so you start becoming sleepier and sleepier.
Speaker 2: So that's why, you know, think about it. If someone's
Speaker 2: snoring really loud and they can sleep through that, you
Speaker 2: know that's not natural. You should awaken to something that loud.
Speaker 1: This is great. See, I'm just I'm just thinking my
Speaker 1: in laws now because she has to have my mother
Speaker 1: in law has to have a sound machine on. A
Speaker 1: sound machine as an adult seems unnecessary. Josta has to
Speaker 1: have a complete black there can be no light, and
Speaker 1: then then he's got the seapap machine on and it's
Speaker 1: just chaos in there. It's just the loudest noise. I
Speaker 1: have got children in the other room that don't need
Speaker 1: these type of distractions.
Speaker 2: What's wrong with them getting older?
Speaker 1: Is that's just and just. It seems like they're just
Speaker 1: making stuff up. Explain what sleep debt is to people
Speaker 1: who might not be aware of the termin thing. It
Speaker 1: sounds like a hippie dippy bullshit.
Speaker 2: I think of it like sleep appetite. So whenever you
Speaker 2: stay awake, your body builds up neurotransmitters and that increases
Speaker 2: your need for sleep. So it's just like if you
Speaker 2: starve yourself for a while, you'll become hungry and hungrier.
Speaker 2: So we need a certain amount of sleep debt sixteen
Speaker 2: hours on average to sleep eight hours at night.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll believe that. Can we catch up on
Speaker 1: sleep to some degree?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: So for instance, if you're very sleep deprived, Let's say
Speaker 2: you have a big test or something this week and
Speaker 2: you don't get great sleep and then you can make
Speaker 2: up for it on the weekend. But if you're chronically
Speaker 2: sleep deprived, if you just think about in terms of math,
Speaker 2: if you add up those hours, it becomes so many hours.
Speaker 2: If you're chronically sleep deprived, you really can't catch up
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: My mother, I was not a great student. Now you
Speaker 1: were a great student. But my mother's advice to me
Speaker 1: always Sometimes I would be overwhelmed about a test and
Speaker 1: herd vice as a well, instead of studying really hard,
Speaker 1: she'd like, wehill just make sure you have a good
Speaker 1: night's sleep. That was always her advice to almost everything.
Speaker 2: Wait, it's a good advice.
Speaker 1: Just go to bed.
Speaker 2: It's really good advice.
Speaker 1: You think it's good advice. That's great.
Speaker 2: Well, you have to study, but then there are all
Speaker 2: other studies that show you're learning. You keep what you
Speaker 2: learned if you sleep after.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, I don't know. I think she was just like,
Speaker 1: I think you just need some sleep. I failed the test.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, were you rested? I felt great? How
Speaker 1: long should it take you to fall asleep?
Speaker 2: Oh, fifteen minutes, ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I can full sleep. I can beat that. You can,
Speaker 1: Oh easily?
Speaker 2: Are you like my head hits the pillow and naps.
Speaker 1: It's just the second I am allowed to take a nap,
Speaker 1: I just go to sleep for how long, Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean to end as long as I'm
Speaker 1: allowed to. If I had my dream nap, I would
Speaker 1: probably it would probably be close to an hour, but
Speaker 1: usually they're much shorter than that. Is that too long?
Speaker 1: Is an hour too long?
Speaker 2: No, it's not too long. There are different lengths of
Speaker 2: naps that have different benefits. So like the power nap,
Speaker 2: you're getting a certain number of minutes of stage two
Speaker 2: and that's performance enhancing. And then you know, we say,
Speaker 2: like the perfect nap is one sleep cycle midday, and
Speaker 2: so there's like different times you would take it to
Speaker 2: try to get different distributions of your sleep stages.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm very European. I just need
Speaker 1: a nap after I eat. If I eat lunch, I
Speaker 1: want to go down almost immediately. Can napping be a problem.
Speaker 2: The only time I'm really against them is for people
Speaker 2: who struggle with chronic insomnia. They're very counterproductive to that.
Speaker 2: Or sometimes people fall asleep on the couch and then
Speaker 2: they get up to go to bed, and then they
Speaker 2: can't sleep because they've you know, just slept for a while.
Speaker 1: My wife every night falls asleep on the couch at
Speaker 1: night and I'm like, well, why don't we just get
Speaker 1: up and go to bed, and she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to go. I'm like, she just wants to go
Speaker 1: to sleep twice Basically, it seems so unnecessary. But the
Speaker 1: ordeal of doing all the stuff before bed is too much.
Speaker 1: I guess we have no TVs in any bedroom in
Speaker 1: our house, but everybody gets an iPad. No, we don't
Speaker 1: have TVs. I remember when they were that was I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, there's like one. There's TV in
Speaker 1: the family room. The end, it's it's the phones and
Speaker 1: the screens that are the biggest problem with good sleep.
Speaker 2: I think. So I think that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: Reading on your phone before bed is it's bad for us.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: It's bad because it's the light, for one, is sending
Speaker 2: a signal that it's daytime.
Speaker 1: When can't we change the light setting.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really filter it out completely at the little
Speaker 2: like blut. I forget what it's called, like dark mode
Speaker 2: or I forget what it's called.
Speaker 1: There is a dark mode.
Speaker 2: And then also what we're doing. So if you're on
Speaker 2: social media or you're scrolling, it's kind of giving you
Speaker 2: a little dopamine hits and just kind of it kind
Speaker 2: of keeps your day going where we need a little.
Speaker 1: But what if I'm just straight reading from the phone.
Speaker 2: I think that's okay. I mean, it's better. The less
Speaker 2: light the better.
Speaker 1: When do you stop eating before bed?
Speaker 2: So I eat dinner around six o'clock and I don't
Speaker 2: eat anything after that.
Speaker 1: You have dessert after dinner?
Speaker 2: No, I mean rarely, unless it's like a special occasion,
Speaker 2: or you don't.
Speaker 1: Have a sweet tooth, or you just don't want to
Speaker 1: have dessert because it's not good for you.
Speaker 2: It will affect my sleep. I will have a reflux.
Speaker 2: And also I just if I do, I'm going to
Speaker 2: gain weight.
Speaker 1: You're a tiny person. I don't is you're do you die?
Speaker 1: It is a huge part of sleeping, right it is.
Speaker 2: It is more than people realize. They're entwined, they're synergistic
Speaker 2: with each other.
Speaker 1: So you're saying a minimum of three hours, I would
Speaker 1: a minimum of three I'd love to eat, And then well,
Speaker 1: what about but naps, It's okay to eat and then
Speaker 1: crash if you eat before bed.
Speaker 2: You know, one you can have like reflux and things
Speaker 2: like that. But also it moves your circadian rhythm, like
Speaker 2: your natural timing of sleep, it moves it a little later. So,
Speaker 2: especially if you're someone who has trouble getting up in
Speaker 2: the morning or going to bed at the right time,
Speaker 2: it can be very counterproductive.
Speaker 1: How come if I don't fall asleep right when I'm tired,
Speaker 1: that then oh, there goes that opportunity to fall asleep.
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that question, but I
Speaker 2: do hear people say that a lot that they almost
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, it's like a wave coming and
Speaker 2: you missed it and you have to wait for the
Speaker 2: next one.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's not helpful if you can't tell me
Speaker 1: why do you sleep well?
Speaker 4: I do?
Speaker 2: I sleep extremely well?
Speaker 1: Have you always slept well?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 2: I'm one of those goods sleepers. But in sleep medicine,
Speaker 2: you can be too sleepy. So I've definitely been on
Speaker 2: that end of the spectrum, like we think of insomnia's
Speaker 2: when you don't sleep well. But there can also be
Speaker 2: people who are too sleepy and sleep too much, and
Speaker 2: so I've definitely been on that end of the spectrum
Speaker 2: at times in my life.
Speaker 1: Do you are you married?
Speaker 2: I'm married?
Speaker 1: Okay, your husband, yes? Does he sleep well?
Speaker 6: He does.
Speaker 1: Do you guys go to bed at the same time
Speaker 1: every night?
Speaker 2: We do, but we're kind of we're both night owls,
Speaker 2: and so we we sort of have a negative effect
Speaker 2: on each other.
Speaker 1: I don't like this. Okay, you're both night owls. So
Speaker 1: what time do you go to bed at night?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Now, because I have young kids, I try to go
Speaker 2: to bed by like nine thirty ten. But Pry before kids,
Speaker 2: it was like midnight.
Speaker 1: What time do you wake up? What times the kids
Speaker 1: wake up?
Speaker 2: My kids wake up around six forty five seven, but
Speaker 2: I get up at between six and six fifteen.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting your routine. We have the exact same
Speaker 1: age kids. You have a two year old and a
Speaker 1: six year old. We both have two year olds and
Speaker 1: six year olds. Every minute that I'm awake past them
Speaker 1: going to bed, I feel is wasted. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: should just go down. What am I doing? What We're
Speaker 1: going to start a new series? Like this is not
Speaker 1: the time, this is this is time to recharge. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I try I try to go I go to
Speaker 1: bed very early. Did your kids sleep well?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: I mean I had to sleep train them, which for
Speaker 2: some reason is extremely controversial. Whenever I talk about it,
Speaker 2: people will I'll get messages saying like you're a child abuser.
Speaker 1: Well that who cares think that?
Speaker 2: No, I know, but for some reason it's so controversial.
Speaker 2: But I did. I did sleep train my first one
Speaker 2: around six months, and the second one I was just
Speaker 2: like three months.
Speaker 1: Let's go, oh, good for you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I sleep trained the first one and it took in
Speaker 1: like two days. Yes, it was like two days of torture,
Speaker 1: you know, doing the alarm on my phone. Okay, but
Speaker 1: the second one didn't care as much and she just
Speaker 1: figured it out pretty quickly. Both of my kids great sleepers.
Speaker 1: And I see people that struggle but they don't do
Speaker 1: the things necessary to stop it. So I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore. Oh you're tired, Well, yeah, your
Speaker 1: kid still sleeps in your bed and she's five? Yes,
Speaker 1: what age do you put like pillows and blankets and
Speaker 1: stuff in there?
Speaker 2: I waited, and you're technically supposed to wait until one
Speaker 2: year because sometimes longer.
Speaker 1: Some of these pediatricians like, don't put anything in there yet.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, my kid's got a pillow blanket, doesn't
Speaker 1: need a sleepsack and just sleeps. They're like, well does
Speaker 1: she stay on the pillow? Like for the most part?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How important are pillows?
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know the scientific answer to that,
Speaker 2: but I think people find them to be helpful for
Speaker 2: next support, and I think they become something we're used
Speaker 2: to if we have them.
Speaker 1: So, how many pillows you sleep with?
Speaker 2: Two?
Speaker 1: I'm a three?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Are they all under your head?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But I have one like kind of like uh, firmish
Speaker 1: foam one that is down and then a really soft
Speaker 1: feather one on top it. That way I get the height,
Speaker 1: but I still have the softness of the feather one
Speaker 1: smart Okay. Then the other one is just for body
Speaker 1: and knees and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to use that in my clinic.
Speaker 1: You can have that one. No, but my wife has
Speaker 1: just she's got all kinds of nonsense. She's got these
Speaker 1: square pillows that are supposed to help for back support.
Speaker 1: None of it I don't pay attention to. There's a
Speaker 1: wall between us at this point, and that both physical
Speaker 1: and emotional. Do women actually require more sleep than men?
Speaker 2: There are studies that show that women need a little
Speaker 2: bit more sleep than men, But it's a little bit
Speaker 2: murky because women also have more fragmented sleep and more
Speaker 2: sleep disruption, and so there is it's not really clear
Speaker 2: whether there's a physiological need for more sleep or women
Speaker 2: just sleep a little bit more because it's more disrupted,
Speaker 2: or they have more you know, some women have more
Speaker 2: responsibilities if they carry the domestic load and then also working,
Speaker 2: So we don't really know if it's purely physiology or
Speaker 2: it's a combination of things.
Speaker 1: Did you work through your pregnancies or no, I did.
Speaker 1: Did you like that or no?
Speaker 2: You know, it would have been nice, I think to
Speaker 2: have a choice about it. I think I would have
Speaker 2: liked to work less than like normal. And it's definitely
Speaker 2: like a push pull where I love my work and
Speaker 2: I love what I do, but I'm also aware of
Speaker 2: the fact that this is such a transient and important
Speaker 2: time to pay full attention to my kids.
Speaker 1: So how did you sleep while you were pregnant?
Speaker 2: Not as good as I did?
Speaker 1: Well? Sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But was it was it miserable at the end?
Speaker 4: Or no?
Speaker 2: I had a lot of vivid dreams, which is very common.
Speaker 2: I had I had horrible reflux, to the point where
Speaker 2: like one of my back, like the back part of
Speaker 2: one of my teeth like shattered off because my reflux
Speaker 2: was so bad. Oh so yeah, And then I had
Speaker 2: all the pillows.
Speaker 1: Did you the big snake one that wrapsed around you?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: I hated that thing so much. The day that thing
Speaker 1: left our bedroom, I was just so excited.
Speaker 2: Just because it takes up so much space.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: No, because putting the dumb pillow case on it is maddening.
Speaker 1: It's so fucking hard. It's a two person job. I
Speaker 1: need somebody to hold while I'm pulling. It's I just
Speaker 1: I didn't like that my son doesn't close his eyes
Speaker 1: all the way when he sleeps. Besides it just being creepy.
Speaker 1: Is there anything I need to do?
Speaker 2: Is it all the time?
Speaker 1: Or do you like when I see him sleeping, I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's they're just a little bit open, you know, people
Speaker 1: that sleep with their eyes a little bit open.
Speaker 2: I think, just as long as his eyes aren't dry,
Speaker 2: just making sure that that as ice tay, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I think his eyes are lubricating. Where
Speaker 1: are you at on giving kids fistful of fistfuls of melatonin?
Speaker 1: Not good, not good, good to know I would never
Speaker 1: do that. What about melotonin in general?
Speaker 2: I like melatonin for very specific reasons, for short periods
Speaker 2: of time. I think it can be appropriate, but it
Speaker 2: shouldn't be a substitute for trying to form the natural
Speaker 2: behaviors and creating patterns and consistency with your kids around bedtime.
Speaker 1: Okay? Have you ever used it for your kids?
Speaker 2: A few times?
Speaker 1: Okay, me too? What should we sleep in? And what
Speaker 1: do you think of people that sleep naked? It's disgusting
Speaker 1: leading the witness? Uh, no comment, naked sleeper? Is that
Speaker 1: what I just learned by you saying no comment?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not, I'm not. I think you have to
Speaker 2: dress for the climate you live in, you know, I mean.
Speaker 1: Controlled climates, well.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily like in Seattle, no one has air conditioning.
Speaker 1: Right in the song Malibu, nobody has air conditioning?
Speaker 2: Really okay? But is there an ice breeze all the time? Okay?
Speaker 2: But if it's really hot, you know, obviously you're going
Speaker 2: to sleep in something lighter. But you know, they say,
Speaker 2: like moisture wicking and like heat dissipating fabrics are good.
Speaker 2: But Honestly, those things are like icing on the cake.
Speaker 2: It's not an it's you don't have to have those
Speaker 2: things to be a good sleeper, but they can. I
Speaker 2: think they can enhance the experience, right, just.
Speaker 1: Like recently gotten pajamas, like actual pajamas, because my wife's like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Why don't you have any nice pajamas?
Speaker 1: I don't like sleep. My grandpa. I have one pair
Speaker 1: of his pajamas because I, as a child, I would
Speaker 1: always I can I remember all of his pajamas, and
Speaker 1: he had all those, like the pants with the shirt
Speaker 1: and the button. I'm like, he is sleeping in a
Speaker 1: little suit. Everybody's on the show gets a gift. It's
Speaker 1: just stuff I bring from my house. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: like any same story, but it. I tell my kids
Speaker 1: they have birthday parties. You do birthday parties for your kids.
Speaker 1: Do you invite their friends?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you allow their friends to bring gifts?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, I say no gifts. I'm always like, no, no gifts,
Speaker 1: no thank you, just whatever. I don't care. And then
Speaker 1: everybody still brings gifts. Well guess what, I don't give
Speaker 1: them to my kids. I know, I store them. And
Speaker 1: then whenever I need a gift for some reason is
Speaker 1: like boom, We've got a gift ready to go.
Speaker 2: Do your kids?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay, no no, I don't tell them.
Speaker 1: But by the way they get they get gifts. We
Speaker 1: give them gifts for their birthday. But when I'm having
Speaker 1: a party for their birthday, but I just want the
Speaker 1: kids to come over and play, and I don't want
Speaker 1: this big thing of everybody bring gifts. But then sure enough,
Speaker 1: everybody brings a gifts. My son's birthday party just happened
Speaker 1: in his six year party and Eddie that works here.
Speaker 1: Three people got him magic sets. Now, first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't want my kid playing magic here. So there's
Speaker 1: a magic kit for your daughter. I want her to
Speaker 1: do that unopened gift. Magic's too hard. You can put
Speaker 1: it on the fourth. There's gona be more gifts. You're
Speaker 1: gonna come up with me. Do you know how hard
Speaker 1: it is to do magic. It's important to give a
Speaker 1: practice my kids. I'd rather learn the piano. I don't
Speaker 1: want to spending all his time in his room becoming
Speaker 1: a magician. That's just weird. He's got three kits. The
Speaker 1: one Eddie got him is he opened it too quickly,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't regift it. That's not that one. It
Speaker 1: was like three thousand pieces. Anyway, that's not your other daughter,
Speaker 1: your two year old. These are nice unused book a
Speaker 1: unicorn and you just come home with something and make
Speaker 1: them happy.
Speaker 2: There you go give that now, I don't have to
Speaker 2: shop for them to bring them.
Speaker 1: You don't write exactly, we'll put that in there here. Now,
Speaker 1: your husband did he watched my show? Right?
Speaker 2: He is a super fan.
Speaker 1: Okay, look at this. This is an award I received.
Speaker 1: It is presented to Dan to celebrate my one millionth
Speaker 1: Tosh point zero download. It must have been something on
Speaker 1: an app or something stupid. I've never had any awards
Speaker 1: hung anywhere. I gotta get rid of the I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sign that for him.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I guarantee you he will put it in
Speaker 2: his office.
Speaker 1: All they're good. You tell him to take that. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: I like candles, but you can't sleep with him burga right.
Speaker 1: Oh so I had a bunch of faint candles. But
Speaker 1: my wife was like, we can't have fake candles as
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, so we'll just get rid
Speaker 1: of all these candles. We're gonna love these. I think
Speaker 1: there's still batteries in these. Yeah, that one's they look
Speaker 1: at that. They've got remote controls. You can put those
Speaker 1: in your kids froom. Then it's safe. They can just
Speaker 1: have candles.
Speaker 2: Just was like, I do not need you have to
Speaker 2: get another No, no, we'll ship.
Speaker 1: That for you. Don't worrybout that there's remote controls. You
Speaker 1: can put them on timers. I don't. I don't even
Speaker 1: my kids. Just doesn't matter. We'll get rid of those.
Speaker 1: You've you'll love those.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm on the prices right, more.
Speaker 1: Like, let's make a deal where you win the all okay,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna have to get those off the deaths.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's a lot, I know, but.
Speaker 2: You you know I'll give you a back can handle it.
Speaker 1: Have you made contact with your biological parents.
Speaker 2: I haven't made contact, but I have attempted to. I
Speaker 2: have done what's called like a search through the adoption agency,
Speaker 2: but they aren't able to put me in contact. But
Speaker 2: I have tried. You know, if I didn't have a
Speaker 2: little kids right now and I had the bandwidth, I
Speaker 2: sort of wish I would have done it when I
Speaker 2: was younger.
Speaker 1: Okay, but people have.
Speaker 2: Told me that it's possible, and you have to go
Speaker 2: to Korea. You have to go to Korea, and you
Speaker 2: have to hire like a private detective, or you have
Speaker 2: to basically find them. I think that's the real hurdle,
Speaker 2: is that, especially in Korea. There' that's why you were
Speaker 2: giving up for adoption, is there's so much shame about
Speaker 2: being an unwed mother, and even if in my case
Speaker 2: from the information I have, it's really forced upon, you know,
Speaker 2: by the family, because you not only are you bringing
Speaker 2: shame to yourself, you're bringing shamed to the whole family.
Speaker 2: And so they sort of don't want to be found.
Speaker 2: And so for some of the people I know that
Speaker 2: have found their families, they still didn't. It was like
Speaker 2: still a secret. It was like, I'll talk to you,
Speaker 2: but there's not going to be any like reunions or
Speaker 2: anything because I have my family now and they don't.
Speaker 1: Know about you now. As an adoptive individual, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about the experience overall and what advice would
Speaker 1: you offer to someone considering it.
Speaker 2: The main thing that I would tell people is keep
Speaker 2: the connection between the biological family. You know, you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily have to have a relationship the whole childhood, but
Speaker 2: maintain that identity and the connection so that if the
Speaker 2: child has questions and wants to seek that out someday,
Speaker 2: they have a right to go ask those questions.
Speaker 1: I mean health benefits alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, health benefits for sure.
Speaker 1: I've looked into adopting before, I think in California. Now,
Speaker 1: in California, all adoptions have to be open adoptions. It
Speaker 1: can't be a sealed off private like that they used
Speaker 1: to be. Is that true or no?
Speaker 2: I don't know that for sure.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I don't know that was what
Speaker 1: I was told. Now that, which I think is a
Speaker 1: good thing. Is what you're saying is what we should do.
Speaker 1: Can you have a nightmare and still have good sleep?
Speaker 2: You can? A lot of it has to do with
Speaker 2: the way the person subjectively interprets that experience. Usually when
Speaker 2: people come to see me for that, they're not having
Speaker 2: a good sleep. I mean, that's why they're there to
Speaker 2: see me.
Speaker 1: Is lucid dreaming a real thing?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 1: Can you do it?
Speaker 2: I've experienced it, but I'm not one of the rare
Speaker 2: people that can do it frequently, who experiences it frequently.
Speaker 2: But I've never really trained. I think you have to
Speaker 2: train yourself to some degree.
Speaker 1: How do we how do we know that people are
Speaker 1: actually good at it and or doing what they say?
Speaker 1: We just have to take people's word. There's no way
Speaker 1: to track it, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But sometimes you you know, like there's a famous researcher
Speaker 2: that did these experiments where he would be following people's
Speaker 2: eye movements and they would wake up and say they
Speaker 2: were playing like a ping pong match. And you know,
Speaker 2: there can be little things like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's the one thing that goes back and forth.
Speaker 2: True, but no, you do have to take their word
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I've tried to control a dream or too,
Speaker 1: but at some point, I'm like, I'm just wide awake.
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm not this is no longer a dream.
Speaker 2: Well, you're supposed to ask yourself during the day, am
Speaker 2: I dreaming? Am I dreaming? And then by saying that
Speaker 2: and practicing it, then that should happen to you when
Speaker 2: you're dreaming, and then supposedly you'll realize that you're dreaming.
Speaker 2: That's supposedly the first step. And then once you have
Speaker 2: that awareness that you're dreaming, then you can try to
Speaker 2: control the dream.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to start working on it. Am
Speaker 1: I dreaming? Am I dreaming? I'm going to do that
Speaker 1: all day long. Do dreams mean anything?
Speaker 2: I think it depends who you ask, But they're basically
Speaker 2: going to contain content from the day, important things that
Speaker 2: happen during the day. And then basically what's happening is
Speaker 2: the brain is scanning memories and trying to make associations
Speaker 2: between past memories, and so what we remember about them
Speaker 2: is what we call dreams. I mean, we all dream
Speaker 2: every night and we're not consciously aware of it or
Speaker 2: don't remember it. But I think there is a whole
Speaker 2: community in neuroscience these are like legitimate researchers that believe
Speaker 2: there's so much about our unconscious awareness and our intuition
Speaker 2: that does have meaning, but we just don't. We don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of answers about it. But I do
Speaker 2: think to answer you, I do think they have meaning,
Speaker 2: but maybe not the way, maybe not the way we
Speaker 2: think about that they have meaning.
Speaker 1: Are the things I can do to improve my quality.
Speaker 2: Of sleep, sleep hygiene, which we all hear about. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like we think of it like getting a
Speaker 2: dental cleaning, so maintaining good sleep hygiene. So that's you know,
Speaker 2: minimizing caffeine, minimizing alcohol, keeping consistent bedtimes and wake times,
Speaker 2: you know, not watching TV in your bed, you know,
Speaker 2: keeping your bedroom just for intimacy and just for sleep.
Speaker 2: Those things are protective against developing a sleep disorder. So
Speaker 2: that's number one. Number two, I would say all of
Speaker 2: these health things like nutrition and exercise, physical fitness, emotional health,
Speaker 2: they're all you know, they all are synergistic. So anything
Speaker 2: that promotes your wellness and health is good for sleep.
Speaker 2: And what it really comes down to a lot from
Speaker 2: a medical perspective is vasculine. So like having normal cholesterol,
Speaker 2: having normal blood pressure, having a healthy body weight, those
Speaker 2: are all things that will promote long term All right.
Speaker 1: Well, doctor Meredith, thank you for being on the show.
Speaker 1: And uh, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Okay, cass show, Thank you, Meredith. Can't wait to get
Speaker 1: home tonight. Crawl into bed. You know it keeps me
Speaker 1: awake at night, noise, mostly noise. If everybody shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up a fall asleep, how about you? You can
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Speaker 1: My Tour Midwest in June and tickets on sale now
Speaker 1: for Monterey, Santa Cruz and San Francisco. That's kind of
Speaker 1: a mid California. Now it's out for the free plug, Carl,
Speaker 1: you great for the free plug. This week's freak plug
Speaker 1: is from Brownville. Historical Society's Spring Flea Market. It's less
Speaker 1: than one month away. To mark your calendars. This is
Speaker 1: the world's all almost largest flea market. According to their website,
Speaker 1: the market will be open from eight am to five
Speaker 1: pm May twenty fourth through the twenty six And before
Speaker 1: you ask, most vendors or cash only, but more and
Speaker 1: more do take cards. You think they take Apple Pay
Speaker 1: or no? Probably not. Yeah, nobody of those flea markets
Speaker 1: can never get the Apple Pay to work. Nope, that's
Speaker 1: always frustrating. Do you have cash? No, I don't have cash.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm handing you my phone. There is one
Speaker 1: atm in Town, located inside TJ's Tavern at the corner
Speaker 1: of Main Street and Highway one thirty six. Pop in
Speaker 1: for an early morning pint and get loose. Takeout five
Speaker 1: hundred cash and buy some knick knacks or brick or
Speaker 1: brac whatever. All right, there's gonna be several food vendors,
Speaker 1: ranging from funnel cakes to ribs and hamburgers. That's not
Speaker 1: really much of a range. What do you expect. This
Speaker 1: is southeast Nebraska. You're practically in Missouri. They're not They're
Speaker 1: not known for any type of food. Are they I
Speaker 1: can't imagine anyway. You're encouraged to park on the side
Speaker 1: of the street in Brownville and on along Highway one
Speaker 1: twenty six. They're encouraging to park along a highway. It
Speaker 1: can't be a real highway. Nope, it's got to be
Speaker 1: like a slow speed limit there. Main street will be
Speaker 1: inaccessible during the flea market hours, so don't even think
Speaker 1: about trying to park there. Public restrooms are located in
Speaker 1: the town hall. Oh man, they're gonna let everybody from
Speaker 1: a flea market take a dump in the town hall
Speaker 1: roll in there. Well, that's irony, right, What do you
Speaker 1: buy a flea market? Is there like go to things
Speaker 1: that you want lawn art? A flea mark is just
Speaker 1: like a farmer's market, but just stuff not food, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes sense, that's just I mean, are people like
Speaker 1: making new stuff or flea mark is not always just
Speaker 1: a It's not like it's not like a garage sale,
Speaker 1: is it. No, I would say it's elevated. It's an
Speaker 1: elevate garage sale. It's much bigger, right, But I mean
Speaker 1: some people just like they have they're selling brand new
Speaker 1: art and things, crafts. I'll tell you what, what's better
Speaker 1: a flea market or a craft fair. Flea market, flea
Speaker 1: market's better than a craft fair. Yeah, you get hamburgers
Speaker 1: flea markets. Oh there's no hamburgers at a craft fair.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. See, I think I'm used to craft fairs.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to flea markets very often.
Speaker 1: You know what, I might go to this flea market
Speaker 1: when I'm up in Omaha. How far away is Brownville
Speaker 1: from Omaha? That's what I need to know. I would
Speaker 1: definitely fly in for this. Yeah, this looks like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need a full day to get through it, and
Speaker 1: parking's free. This is a good deal all around. Well,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get up there and spend some
Speaker 1: quality time with the good people in south east Nebraska.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.