1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh and 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's here sitting in for day. So 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: it's short stuff. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: And now cheop of cabra, that's right? 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Is that? Okay? That was gold? 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: All right? 7 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: I asked Chuck said that before we recorded. I was like, 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: can you please say that on this episode? It was 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: just that great. 10 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: It's better than saying goat sucker because that sounds like 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: a very nasty thing that you would call somebody. 12 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: But that's the literal translation of chupa cabra. Chop are 13 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: means to suck, hence why they call them chupa chups. 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: I just realized. And cabra means goat, not cobra like 15 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: you would think it means goat, So chuop a cabra 16 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: means goat sucker, not cobra sucker. 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: That's right. And if you're already frustrated a minute and 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: a half in because you don't know what these words mean, 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: we are talking about the probably urban legend of the cryptid, 20 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: which is an animal that doesn't exist but has a 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: great legend around it, of the chew cup. Here I go, 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: the chewpacabra aka the goat sucker. 23 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a reason that they call it a goat 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: sucker too, and it's pretty straightforward. Yeah. 25 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: I mean, one of the telltale signs at the chewpacabre 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: if they have come by your farm in the middle 27 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: of the night is you will wake up to dead 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: farm animals that have been drained of their blood. 29 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Usually with puncture wounds in their neck, and often there's 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: a lot of them and some chupacabra sightings or attacks. 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: I guess, hundreds of different animals around a farm, sometimes 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: domestic pets, sometimes wild animals in the area are found 33 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: dead all at once. The thing is this chupacabra, which 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: is a cryptive we should say, no one's ever actually 35 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: seen one, and all of the sightings and evidence that 36 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: has been collected can be easily explained away by science. 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: It's not that big. And from what I can tell 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: there people seem to believe there's just one. Did you 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: get that impression like there's a choop ofcabra, like there's 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: a locknus monsters are speed a different species or race 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: of something to where there's multiple ones. Did you that's 42 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: the impression that I have. 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I got that impression, but I'm not 44 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: sure that that that I'm right about that impression. 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 1: Can't you just say, yeah, Josh, you're right, way to go? 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Is that so important for me? Yeah? 47 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: Well, should we describe what this thing looks like since 48 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: you brought that up? 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, because imagine what we're about to talk about, killing 50 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: one hundred goats the way that we said they do 51 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: in a night. 52 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've seen its short as three feet tall, but 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: generally about four and a half to five five and 54 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: a half feet tall, oval shaped head, glowing eyes like 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: sort of alien shaped eyes, which you know, put a 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: pin in that because that'll come back, long sharp spines, 57 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: usually from the back of its head down to the tailbone. Strong, 58 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: a stinky odor. A lot of people say it is 59 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: sort of like a sulfur smell. Some people say it 60 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: doesn't smell at all. And then the skin can either 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: be like lizardy or like a frog's, or it can 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: be what's been described as like a fuzzy lizard with 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: like little prickly hairs and scales. 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: Fuzzy wuzzy wizard. 65 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: But here's a key walks on two legs for the 66 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: most part, which is one of the creepy parts. 67 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, so there's a do you want to take 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: a break down, come back and talk about this, like 69 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: what people think it is or the origin of it 70 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: or what. 71 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. 72 00:03:38,280 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: Okay, this is not scripted, everybody. 73 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: All right? Take two? 74 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: Oh wait, can it start from the beginning? You have 75 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: to take it with and now cheopicabra again. 76 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: Okay, and now part two of Chop of Cabra. So 77 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: you talked about the origins. I've seen mentions of this 78 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: all the way back to the nineteen fifties in Arizona. 79 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: It seems like it really picked up steam in the 80 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: nineties as probably as the Internet picked up steam. And 81 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: it looks like Puerto Rico, even though it's been found 82 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: in a lot of countries, supposedly mainly in South America, 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: but there's a lot of stories from Puerto Rico and 84 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: may have even originated, as at least the modern online 85 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: version from a woman named Madeline Tolentino in San Juan 86 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five. 87 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Apparently her description kind of set the tone for 88 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: the basis, or set the basis I guess for the time. Yeah, 89 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: of other descriptions and sightings to come that's right, very 90 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: similar to Betty and Barney Hill. She was the Betty 91 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: and Barney Hill of chupacabra sightings. 92 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: That's right, she was both of them. 93 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, Puerto Rico is a hot spot of chewpacabra sightings. Apparently, 94 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: in just one year, in one area alone, there was 95 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: several hundred livestock fatalities that were attributed to the chupacabra. 96 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: And I mean in just this one town. Just hundreds 97 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: of livestock dying in one year alone is very bizarre 98 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: and strange. So you can kind of guess that if 99 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: everybody's aware of the chupacabra already, they might be like, 100 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: I think this is the chupacabra at work. 101 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. If you've been online and you've seen 102 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: pictures of like chupacabra washed up on the beach, there 103 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: are quite a few of those, and most of them 104 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: have been thoroughly debunked and proven to be It's usually 105 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: like a with mange who had rotted such that their 106 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: skin receded and it ended up looking really, really weird. 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: Those aren't chupacabra. In fact, there are no chup of cabra, 108 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: but there have been some sightings in the past couple 109 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: of years that I did look up on YouTube that 110 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: aren't compelling that like where I was like, oh my god, 111 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: it's totally real. But it was enough to where I 112 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: was like, what in the world is that. 113 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: Yes, In particular, there's one from twenty twenty two where 114 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: the Amberillo Zoo in Texas found an image or like 115 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: a short snippet of some creature inside its perimeter fence. Yeah, 116 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: like one in thirty in the morning. Yeah, walking around, 117 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: and it looks very much like a werewolf if you 118 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: ask me. It's got the big, massive, massive like back 119 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: and shoulders with its head like up around its ears. Essentially, 120 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: it's the way it's holding its arms and fingers make it. 121 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: It looks a lot to me like somebody who was 122 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: dressed up like a werewolf and got into the Amarillo 123 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: Zoo on purpose. 124 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair. 125 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: It's been chalked up as a chupacabra siety. 126 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: That's right. There was another one from twenty twenty three 127 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: in Bolivia, and this one also coincided with a bunch 128 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: of livestock death supposedly drained of their blood. This drone footage, 129 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: So it's a much higher, but it's near Auru City 130 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: and you definitely see like a shadowy figure kind of 131 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: moving through the field. And uh, I mean it's hard. 132 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: It's not as kind of clear clearly werewolf be looking 133 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: as the other one. But again, it was just another 134 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: recent thing. And you know, both of these could be 135 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: people screwing around with people. It could be dressing up 136 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: like what they think of Chupacabra looks like exactly. 137 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: So I mean Chupacabra, it's a fairly you can tell 138 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: it's a fairly recent phenomenon. I mean, the nineties really 139 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: are when it started to take off, and definitely it's heyday, 140 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: but it is found itself cemented into popular culture, not 141 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: just in Latin America, but in the Southwestern United States too. 142 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: There's been sightings apparently and everywhere from Arizona to New Mexico, 143 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: all over the southwestern United States over the years, and 144 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: apparently the earliest, the earliest newspaper account of it dates 145 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: back to the fifties in Arizona, which I found very interesting. 146 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And I've said to put a pin 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: in the fact that some people say they have glowing 148 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: alien like eyes. That's because some people think, you know, 149 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: there of course theories on what could be going on here. 150 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: Some people do think that it's a visitor from outer space, 151 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: or maybe a pet from a visitor from outer space. 152 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: I can you know, like et was left behind, just 153 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: like this chew picabra was, or that it is like 154 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: NASA was breeding like alien things with human things, and 155 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: this was one of those that got out. Supposedly, sure 156 00:08:58,760 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 2: as they do. 157 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: There's a veterinarian who believes that it was a genetically 158 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: modified vampire bat because I don't remember it supposedly as 159 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: a bloodsucker, a goat sucker in particular. I believe because 160 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: of the fact that this was biggest in the nineties, 161 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: I think that whole left behind alien pet is it 162 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: was folklore directly influenced by porno for pyros. 163 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: Oh from the pet song. 164 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, from Will Make Great Pets. 165 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: I love that song. 166 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great song. But I guarantee somebody added 167 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: that to the folklore from that song. 168 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: Oh, so it was a future human that was kept 169 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: as a pet. 170 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: No, No, just the concept that aliens even have pets. Oh, 171 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: that's why I'm linking it too, could have been a 172 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: future human. That's the thing. Everybody's just throwing anything that 173 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: can stick at the wall, at the whole cup oficabra phenomenon. 174 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: It Again, it's fairly recent enough that it hasn't taken 175 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: full solid shape. Still, it seems like to me you 176 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: can say, oh, it's a genetically modified vampire bat or whatever. 177 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: The best explanation I've seen. You kind of already touched 178 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: on about carcasses washed up on the beach being dogs 179 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: having mange. Coyotes get mange too, and coyotes tend to 180 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: kill live stock. Yeah, if they're from the circus, yes, yeah, yeah. 181 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: The telltale signed to me though, is that part of 182 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: mange is the hair on the back between the shoulders 183 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: usually remains a patch of hair. Yes, hence the spikes 184 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: of spines down well the spine and the fact that 185 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: they lose their hair so they look really weird. And 186 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: apparently just about every single carcass that's ever turned up 187 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: and has been attributed or chalked up as chupacabra and 188 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: the autopsy is revealed it's an animal with mange. Well done, 189 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: my friend, Thank you. Well done to you too, Charles. 190 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: I just want to say one more thing. I had 191 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: tickets to see that porner. For Pyro's reunion tour last year, 192 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: you were one of ten got canceled. 193 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they couldn't sell enough tickets, right, That's what 194 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: I heard. Surprising. 195 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jane's Addiction is on tour again, and I 196 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: love those guys. I just want to publicly say give 197 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: credit to Casey Nikolee for her work and if. 198 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: The one who was erased from their. 199 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, their history basically great, great call out. Yeah, go 200 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: read up about that because she's talking about it now 201 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: and it's not cool at all. 202 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: I also want to give a shout out. If this 203 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: kind of stuff is up your alley or float your 204 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: boat or float your alley or whatever, go check out 205 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: the site and not The Anomalist. It's an aggregator of 206 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: different weird stories, including cryptids and UFOs and all that 207 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: stuff from around the internet. It's great. 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