1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Numbers Game with Ryan Gerdoski. As 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: I announced last week, this is the first time my 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: podcast coming out twice in a week, so that means 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: twice as much data and stories and mean so thank 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: you all for being here again this week. Please like 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and subscribe and give me a five star review to 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: wherever you're listening. It really helps from the podcast. In 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: December nineteen sixty, the band The Crickets released a new 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: iconic song where they declared I fought the law and 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: the law won. When the song was covered by The 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Clash in nineteen seventy nine, it became a punk rock classic. 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: Turned to twenty twenty five, and President Donald Trump is 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: having his own fight with the legal world. It's not 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: over a girl or a gun like the Cricket song, 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: but it's over executive orders and liberal judges' efforts to 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: stop his agenda. From the start of his administration to 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: April first, President Trump has signed one hundred and nine 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: executive orders and there have been fifty three rulings by 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: district court judges to halt his actions. Now, I think 20 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: it's worth explaining the difference between different kinds of judges 21 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: for a second, district court judges are lower on the 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: level of federal judiciary. There are six hundred and seventy 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: judges who receive a lifetime appointment by the president, and 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: like the title in their job describes, they're just allowed 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: to hear federal complaints within a district. Once a complaint 26 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: is heard at the district level, it makes its way 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: up to the appellate court in each respective region of 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: the country, and there are thirteen appellate courts in the 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: entire country. Anyone who's paid attention to politics, especially over 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: the last decade, realized that the Supreme Court seats have 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: become a highly politicized issue because of the makeup of 32 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: the court and how it has become substantially more conservative, 33 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: especially compared to three or four decades ago. What people 34 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: and the media have paid less attention to is how 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 1: much President Obama, Trump and Biden have remade the lower courts. 36 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: President Obama appointed fifty five Appellate Court judges in two 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight circuit court judges over his two terms. 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: President Trump appointed fifty four appellate Court judges, almost as 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: much as President Obama in two terms. In one and 40 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy four court judges. President Biden appointed 41 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: forty five appellate court judges but one hundred and eighty 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: seven Circuit court judges, so President Biden got the most 43 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: amount of judges in the least amount of time. That 44 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: means if you're a liberal organization like the ACLU, the 45 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: Campaign Legal Center, or the State Democracy Defender's Fund, you 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: have over one hundred appellate court judges and four hundred 47 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: and fifty five district court judges appointed by the last 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: two Democratic administrations who are sympathetic to progressive causes and issues, 49 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: not to mention the judges who were brought in during 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: the Bush and sometimes Clinton years. It's called judge shopping, 51 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: where nonprofits and liberal activists will look for sympathetic judges 52 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: to give them favorable rulings, issue nationwide injunctions, and hold 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: everything up in court for months and sometimes for well 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: over a year. This was evident during the first term 55 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: of the Trump administration, when a number of executive orders 56 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: were held up by the Supreme Court judge and spent 57 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: up to a year or closer a year in legal 58 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: limbo because of district court judges. One such case was 59 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: Judge on Tiger He's an Obama appointed judge in California's 60 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: Northern District, like around San Francisco. He's a favorite of 61 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: liberal activists since his decision in twenty fifteen to force 62 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: the California Department of Corrections to use taxpayer fund and 63 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: medical care to provide inmates with gender reassignment surgery. So like, yeah, 64 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: it's as crazy, Yes, you're hearing it as what I'm 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: reading it, So force taxpayers to give gender reassignment surgery 66 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: to inmates. In twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, Judge Tigar 67 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: issued nation one injunctions on Trump's executive orders to deny 68 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: asylum to anyone who didn't enter the country through legal 69 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: ports of entry, and against his Safe Third Country agreement 70 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: were asylum seekers who passed through multiple safe third countries 71 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: countries they could have declared asylum and but didn't they 72 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: waited to be in the United States. That was unconstitutional 73 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: as well. Another judge was Judge Derek Watson. He was 74 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: another Obama appointed judge from the US District Court in Hawaii. 75 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: On March fifteen, twenty seventeen, he ruled that Trump's travel 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: ban against several majority Muslim countries was illegal and placed 77 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: a nationwide hold on Trump's executive order. It means he 78 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: couldn't enforce it. It wasn't until June twenty six, twenty eighteen, 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: when the Supreme Court finally weighed in and Trump the 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: Hawaii that the Trump's executive order was in fact legal, 81 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: and followed decades of legal president where the president has 82 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: the right to control who and who is an admittency 83 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: the United States. Fast forward twenty twenty five. Thirteen Court 84 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: District Court judges, six appointed by Biden, three by Bush, 85 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: three by Obama, and one by Reagan. Yeah, there are 86 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: still Reagan appointed judges on the bench put temporary holds 87 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: on a series of Trump executive orders. John McConnell, Junior, 88 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: and Obama appointed judge, placed a nationwide hold on Trump's 89 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: freezes of federal grants. Amir Ali, a Biden appointed judge 90 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: who was born in Canada, placed a nationwide injunction on 91 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: cuts to funding to federal assistance programs governed by USIAD 92 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: and in the Department of State. John Bates, a Bush 93 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: appointed judge, that it was illegal for Trump to fin 94 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: fire federal workers that worked under diversity, equity and inclusion 95 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: programs and then there's John Bassberg, an Obama appointed judge 96 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: who ruled a Trump's use of the Alien's Edition Act 97 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: that was created in seventeen ninety eight was illegal and 98 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: even said that it was the responsibility of the American 99 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: government to fight illegal aliens who were deported back into 100 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: the United States. This is unprecedented to have this many 101 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: nationwide injunctions against a single president. During the first from 102 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: the Trumpet presidency, he had sixty four nationwide injunctions. This 103 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: is more than all nationwide injunctions for all previous presidents combined. 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: My buddy josh Hammer, a very smart guy who should 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: follow on Twitter pie said the judicial overreach is unprecedented, 106 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: and Judge Clarence Thomas Justice Clarence Thomas rather addresses in 107 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: his decision over Trump the Hawaii District court judges do 108 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: not have this insane right to is that they're to 109 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: actually make decrees in district courtships for the sake of 110 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: the entire nation. During a call with josh, I describe 111 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: a situation and Joshua basically there were no nationwide injunctions 112 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: before the nineteen sixties that this judicial power laid on 113 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: an article through the Constitution. Does not have the right 114 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: to make decisions for the entire country. Congress does have 115 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: the ability, however, to reign in the power of district 116 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: court judges and abolish it tomorrow. The Congress could solve 117 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: this issue tomorrow. Actually, Senator Chuck Grassley from Iowa, he 118 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: put out a bill to sit there and solve this problem. 119 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court could reign in district court judges. America 120 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: is not a nation governed by a king, and these 121 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: judges remind themselves that they wear robes and not a crown. 122 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: You're listening to It's a numbers game with Ryan Gradsky. 123 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: We'll be right back to quote Wenny Williams, my guest 124 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: this week, is a legend. She's an icon. She is 125 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: the moment and culture. A best selling writer has an 126 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: amazing substack you should all subscribe to. I'll put in 127 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: the link below and thank you for being here. 128 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: Well, this is quite a switch. You can see lots 129 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: of my interviews with Ryan on a substat. 130 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: Which I know I was thinking that before. I've never 131 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: interviewed you before, so this is a big deal. So, 132 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: and I said in my monologue earlier that the federal 133 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: judges have done a number on the Trump administration and 134 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: putting federal injunctions from a local district court judge. This 135 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: is unprescedented. First in Volume be two, that it's happening 136 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: on issues that the executive really has sole decision making on, 137 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: like immigration. Do you We've talked this privately, but is 138 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: this normal? 139 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: Like what? 140 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: What? Like? How does a federal judge in San Francisco 141 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: have ruling over the whole country on immigration? 142 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: No, it's really shocking, and I am hoping and I 143 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: think it's very possible the Supreme Court is going to 144 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: put an end to the nonsense. For one thing, what 145 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: you say, a lot of their rulings are things that 146 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: are clearly part of the president's plenary power, like immigration. 147 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: I wrote about it in my column this week, remember 148 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: or the Arizona whatever it was, speed ten or something. 149 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: Chris Coback wrote it and by the way, the paper's 150 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: police part of the law was upheld, but the rest 151 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: of it was basically Arizona law saying we're just going 152 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: to comply with federal law. Congressional laws written, you know, 153 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: passed by the House and the Senate and then signed 154 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: by all kinds of presidents of different political parties, all 155 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: Arizona wanted to do was follow the federal law, but 156 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court found that no, the president has control 157 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: over immigration because of his soul control over international relations. 158 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: And so since Obama had decided not to follow the law, 159 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: Arizona couldn't butt in and follow federal. 160 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 4: Law, which was I think was kind of crazy enough. 161 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: During the Clinton administration, little eight year old Eleon Gonzalez 162 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: was sent back to a brutal communist dictatorship. 163 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 4: And what was the reasoning on that? One thing? And 164 00:08:59,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: one thing? 165 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: The president has exclusive plenary power over immigration if Clinton 166 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: wanted to send him back, Clinton send him back, and 167 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: he and Janet Reno, lovely woman, they wanted to send 168 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: him back. Most recently and not covered heavily by by 169 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: the media, the New York Times, including a guy from Cato, 170 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: you'll like this when Trump. When Trump issued his I 171 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: don't care if it doesn't say Muslim. I like to 172 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 3: call it the Muslim band. It warms my heart. When 173 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: he issued his Muslim band, the New York Times op 174 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: ed page was bristling with with opinion pieces hos sneering 175 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: this is so unconstitutional, including some jackass from Cato Institute. 176 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: I looked him up at the time, and he went 177 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: to I mean, normally I don't I don't raise these things. 178 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: As you always point out, you're a college dropout and 179 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: you're one of the people I know. 180 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 4: But this guy went to an utterly bush lea in college. 181 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 4: And I was thinking, New York Times, have. 182 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: You ever published anyone who went to this college before 183 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: put Oh he comes on and sneers about how, oh 184 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 3: Trump doesn't understand the Constitution or the history Muslim ban 185 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: upheld by the Supreme Court, and why because the president 186 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: has exclusives. 187 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: Power over immigration. So this isn't a matter of Trump 188 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 4: defying court orders. This is a matter of the courts 189 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 4: defying presidential powers in a really obvious and egregious way. 190 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 3: I mean the number of district course one thing I 191 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 3: will give the New York Times credit for. 192 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: I salute them here. 193 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: I was looking through some of the some of the 194 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 3: cases there are twenty seven district court rulings on arguing 195 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 3: we refuse to comply with Trump's policy on immigration, blindingly 196 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: unconstitutional for them to do this. 197 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: Courts are stepping in. And one great thing in the 198 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 4: New York Times. 199 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: List was which I've noticed they have not been doing 200 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: all the time. 201 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: You have to go look it up yourself. 202 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: But I think probably enough people were asking it was 203 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: Biden judge, Biden judge, Biden judge, Biden judge, Obama judge, 204 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: Biden judge. 205 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 4: It's overwhelmingly democratic. 206 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: There's like two or three Bush judges, one ray in 207 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: Dress judge who's still around for somehow, and it's all 208 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: Biden Obama judges. Otherwise it's completely one sided. The judge 209 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: the case you mentioned, which is the Trump and the 210 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: Hawaii case over the Muslim band, which wasn't a Muslim ban, 211 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: but we'll. 212 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 4: Call it that. 213 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: There was, if not decades one hundred years of precedent, 214 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: the president has exclusive power to deny entry to any 215 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: alien or class of aliens that he deems inadmissible or 216 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: not for the benefit of the United States. And they 217 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: were like, no, I no, I don't believe it. And 218 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: like Clarence Thomas in his in his opinion, in his 219 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: ruling the approve running so there and said, did you 220 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: court judges don't have the right to do this. They 221 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: just this is insane. 222 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: Yes, he is insane, and I mean I Trump seems 223 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: pretty cheeky about all this. He's my favorite, my favorite 224 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: case is the administration admitted. 225 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: That they inadvertently deported. 226 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: Someone who wasn't maybe definitely a gang member, and he's 227 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: now in an l S. 228 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Gang member, maybe gang member Jason. 229 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: But their argument is, but sorry, you courts, we have 230 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: exclusive jurisdiction over this and we're not bringing them back, 231 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: which I'm totally totally in favor of. 232 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: I can't believe how great this Trump administration is. 233 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: As you know, we'll get back to that in a second. 234 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: But it is the fact that an American judge said 235 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: to a present, you need to bring back someone who 236 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: was here illegally. That alone the two things that infuriate me, 237 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: and I'm very partisan in one way, but one is that. 238 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: The second one is that when I read somebody says 239 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: born in Mexico or Canada, went to college there, and 240 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: as a forty year old, like you've been in America. 241 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 4: For how long we're or you were a federal judge exactly, 242 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 4: that was noticeable too. 243 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I'm glad you mentioned that Ryan grew Dusky. 244 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 3: I suspect do you remember that after Trump's magnificent Mexican 245 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: rapist speech, there was somebody. 246 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 4: Was suing him. I forget what it was for you 247 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: probably remember. 248 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: I remember that he complained about Yes, I remember that 249 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: he was Mexican. 250 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 4: The judge was the case. Do you remember the case. 251 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: I don't remember the case. 252 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: I remember the inderal case, but I remember the judge 253 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: was Mexican. He made a big hurrah that the judges 254 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: partisan because he was born in Mexican. 255 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 4: Right, That's what I wanted to address here. Everyone, I mean, 256 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 4: everyone went mental over that. Oh how dare you mention 257 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 4: that he's a Mexican? 258 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: Okay, except for my entire life, I have been told 259 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: that a criminal conviction has to be thrown out if 260 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: it's all white people on the journey. So we cannot 261 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: trust white Americans steeped in the Magna carta and the 262 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: rule of law, who have been here for generations to 263 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: rule on a criminal case with a black defendant. If 264 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 3: it's all white jurors, well that it's just prime facia. 265 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: That can't be a correct jury verdict. Nope, throwing out 266 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: the conviction. But Trump meant mentions that this guy is 267 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: a Mexican. With the entire media is claiming that he 268 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: called all Mexicans rapists, It's like there's. 269 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: A movie I forget what it was was like a 270 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: who done it? And they were like, I mean it 271 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: was a lib woke movie during COVID or during BLM, 272 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: and they were like, the Mexican character was so pure 273 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: they couldn't tell a lie without throwing up. It's that's 274 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: how they treat a lot of these form board judges 275 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: who do make rulings, and I'm sorry they are. I 276 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: don't understand how you could be in America for less 277 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: than I don't know, fifty years and you're sitting there 278 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: and you're making rulings for the country as a whole. 279 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: President Trump in his first term, during the Mexican Muslim 280 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: ban or whatever last of it was, he had more 281 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: nationwide injunctions than all previous presidents combined. And he said 282 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: to Eclipse that during this term. 283 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: Yes, now I think he should ignore them. He is 284 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 4: doing the right thing. This is a point I've made. 285 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 4: I'm not just making it for Trump. I just looked 286 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 4: it up. I think I made it when. 287 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: Bush was president and the issue was military trials for 288 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: terrorists captured on the battle field in the commander in 289 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: chief's wheelhouse, I think you would say, and judges were 290 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: saying no, no, no, no, no, we want them in 291 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: an Article three court. 292 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: They must be in an Article three court. 293 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: And at the time, I've always argued these are three 294 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: co equal. I love that word. It's like flammable and inflammable. 295 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: So equal branches of government. And worse than that, I 296 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: mean the executive branch, which is. 297 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: Equal to the entire judiciary. 298 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: One man holds the power of all the executive power 299 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: of the United States, the legislature, you know, white camera legislation. 300 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: Everybody gets the gist of that. These district court judges 301 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: hold like one even even acting as if you know, 302 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: Chief Justice John Roberts is as important as some puny 303 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: district Court judge, it's still about one two thousandth of 304 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: the people. 305 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: There are eight over eight hundred district cork and Appellate 306 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: court judges. So the fact that there are six hundred 307 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: and seventy district court judges so more than Congress, more 308 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: than both houses combined. No Senator can make a ruling 309 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: for the entire United States, but one of six hundred 310 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: and seventy ken It makes it feel like there is 311 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: a judicial supremacy versus a coequal branch. 312 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm pretty sure there are at least five 313 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: justices who would agree with that. I not only should 314 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: Trump ignore the orders, I think he ought to start 315 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: calling up Chief Justice John Roberts and saying, I see 316 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: you have an interesting bunch of interesting cases on the 317 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: docket coming up. Would you mind setting a tenth chair 318 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: up on the dais because I'd like to hear the 319 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 3: oral arguments, maybe write an opinion or two. You should 320 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 3: start writing to district court judges. I would like to 321 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: be included in the evidentiary hearing. I'll be making a 322 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: ruling on that. It is just it is totally beyond 323 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 3: the power of judges what they're doing. 324 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 4: And you know, maybe I'll write about this. 325 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: But besides the fact that the president completely should be 326 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 3: ignoring them, it is as if he is calling and 327 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 3: asking to sit in on, you know, district courts engaging 328 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: in criminal sentencing. 329 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 4: This is an. 330 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 3: Extension of the left using the courts to get what 331 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: they can't get through democracy. And in particular, I think 332 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: to explain this simply because the course have been doing 333 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: this for such a long time, most people don't even 334 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 3: recognize the outrage that. 335 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: Is going on. 336 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 3: Courts, all courts, including the Supreme Court, per the Constitution, 337 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: decide cases and controversies the parties before them. That is 338 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: what they are deciding. They aren't binding anyone else to 339 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: these cases. Now, they may have to interpret a law 340 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: in order to decide that case or controversy. 341 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 4: But the way all courts. 342 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 3: Have kind of been operating, certainly the Supreme Court, where 343 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: I don't know, I think most of my life is 344 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: let's look at the law and the Constitution and we 345 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 3: will prommel Gates an. 346 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 4: Overarching rule for the entire country. 347 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: Okay, that's making a law that isn't deciding. 348 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 4: A case or controversy between two parties. 349 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: So, for example, one of the cases I wrote about 350 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: this week, which I made clear in my column, the 351 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 3: Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard. Technically, what the Supreme 352 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: Court did was decide a case between Students for Fair 353 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 3: Admissions versus Harvard. 354 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 4: That's it. 355 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: By implication every other college and university in America. I mean, 356 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 3: I guess they can start, you know, just openly continue Well, 357 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: they are openly continuing their discrimination. But you could sue 358 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: each one of these over and over and over again. 359 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 3: But you're just going to get these procureum decisions by 360 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. 361 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: Right if you're a lawyer, and you want to make 362 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: a lot of money, just start suing colleges. And by 363 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: the way, law schools, business schools, states, businesses. I mean 364 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: for NTUIE discrimination, you have a cattle cade ahead of you. 365 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, but all of these cases, I mean, it's easy 366 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: to explain when the Supreme Court discovers mysteriously a clause 367 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 3: given providing a right to abortion in the Constitution, or 368 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: I might add or write to gay marriage that you 369 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: can read the Constitution and there's nothing about abortion, there's 370 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: nothing about gay marriage. 371 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: But we are so used to courts issuing. 372 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 3: Over arching rules by e laws and then applying the 373 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: law they have just invented to the dispute before them 374 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: that most people I think don't recognize. 375 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 4: No, they're getting this exactly backwards. 376 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 3: And what they're doing most of the time is absolutely unconstitutional. 377 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 4: They aren't a legislature. We have a legislature. The judicial 378 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: power is to decide cases and controversies. 379 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: Right, And it's a very post I mean it's post FDR, 380 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: but it's even really post Johnson that they or post Kennedy, 381 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: rather that they really just started becoming the de facto 382 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: decider of national policy. Eradicating both legislative rights but also 383 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: state rights in the meantime. 384 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: Yes, And I'd add that the Constitution says, this is 385 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: a rough paraphrase, that they decide cases and controversies when 386 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 3: the law. 387 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 4: I don't know this is the Constitution or one of 388 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 4: the founding fathers. 389 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 3: They determine the laws and facts when the laws and 390 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: facts are disputed by two people, two parties. The party 391 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: could be Harvard. 392 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 4: So you know, notice in this phraseology used by our 393 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 4: founding fathers. I don't know if it's in the arguments. 394 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 4: I think it's just. 395 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: I think the Constitution just says cases are controversy and 396 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: any even it doesn't stay using their policy judgment to 397 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 3: decide the cases. When two parties disagree law and facts. 398 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 4: That's it they decided. 399 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: Then they bind only those parties. Now another party comes 400 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: along and makes the exact same argument. It could be 401 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 3: an estoppel doctrine or other things going on. But technically 402 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: the Court is deciding only the case of the two 403 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 3: parties before. And so imagine these nationwide injunctions, I mean 404 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: talk about making laws. 405 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 4: It's it's so beyond the pale. 406 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: Because Trumpy Hawaii mentioned before, which was the Muslim ban. 407 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: It took sixteen months to go from district court to 408 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. You do that two or three times, and 409 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: the administration's over. It's done, with the next presence to go. 410 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what their ultimate goal is, through both 411 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: judge shopping and through law fair in this practice of 412 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: finding the nonprofit that will sponsor the lawsuit, the judge 413 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: that will hold it up, and then you know, Ninth 414 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: Circuit or whatever circuit holds it until the Supreme Court 415 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: finally hears it and you start another laws in the 416 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: same issue. It just goes on and on on. What 417 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: has surprised you the most about the tru administration thus far. 418 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 4: That I'm in heaven every day. 419 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: We finally got the executive order on birthright citizenship. 420 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 4: We finally got the president. I voted for them. 421 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 3: We finally got the president I wrote a book about 422 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: I campaigned with in twenty sixteen. 423 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: We finally got them. I'm and thank you liberals for 424 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: just an absurd number of criminal prosecutions trying to kick 425 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 4: him off the ballot in Colorado and the New York 426 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 4: and Latisia, James and Atlanta. 427 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 3: They were all preposterous, as I think I've said before, 428 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: the only case where there was actual a law broken 429 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: was the documents he had squirreled away at mar A Lago. 430 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: But you know, considering and he did, and he did 431 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 3: sort of egregiously refuse to return them. I don't know 432 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: that a dawn raid was necessary. 433 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 4: I don't think they right, Malani is underpants draw. 434 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: Right, right right? I mean, knowing who he is, it 435 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: wasn't like the liberals accused that he's going to sell 436 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: this to the Russians. It was probably just to show 437 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: his friends, like, look what I have. This is totally yeah. 438 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's just a brag. I mean, knowing who 439 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: Trump is, it was just a brag to somebody. How 440 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: what the president? 441 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: Oh what if he sells them to the enemy. No, 442 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: it was one to brag about him. And look at 443 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: this letter I got from Kim John. 444 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 4: No. 445 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he's been extremely aggressive on immigration, on trade. 446 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: I I know we're going to agree, So what's I mean? 447 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: I hate him asking this question. They know what's going 448 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: to agree. I think the absence of Jared Kushner speaks 449 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: volumes to this administration, and. 450 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: No one giving Stephen Miller the run of the place. 451 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: You know, when they Okay, fine, Miller, you hung in there, 452 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 4: and maybe you are going to save the country now. 453 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: But when Trump signed his third funding bill, term one. 454 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 4: As he's about to lose, I think that was right. 455 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 4: But we still had the Republican House in the sense yeah, 456 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 4: with no Wall funding. 457 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: And by the way, Fox totally ignored it. It was 458 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 3: only because I went ballistic and Drudge threw it up 459 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: on when it was actually Drudge threw it up on 460 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: the Drudge Report that people even knew this is the 461 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 3: third funding bill you are signing. You've said the last 462 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: two times, I'll never sign a funding bill again without 463 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 3: without Wall funding. 464 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 4: And I emailed. 465 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: Miller at the White House and at the time and said, congratulations, 466 00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 3: you've wrecked the country. 467 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 4: He's made up for it. 468 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: I mean, do you know what I respect about you 469 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: and I want to say to you on my podcast, 470 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: is that unlike ninety nine point ninety nine eight percent 471 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: of the people who are in conservative media, you don't 472 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: seek to be to lose yourself in order to stay 473 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: in the sphere of influence, which everyone else kind of does. 474 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: They don't care what they say, what they believe, because 475 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: they want to be in the sphere of influence. What 476 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: has changed in your I think third decade in political 477 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: media as far as the media, the way that political 478 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: figures have influenced politicians, I mean, was only three cable 479 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: news networking. I'm SOMEBCCN in the box news. It was 480 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: a much more you know, they package what a Republican 481 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 1: was supposed to sound like. And you were always out 482 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: of the box because and you were interesting because you're 483 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: out of the box. What is it now like when 484 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: you have social media and a million because it feels 485 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: like there should be more different opinions, but there's a 486 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: lot more of the same. They all want to be 487 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: in the sphere of influence. 488 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: Yes, And actually, the way the reason I even remember 489 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: what the answer to that question is, that's how I 490 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: began my first book, High Crimes and Misdemeanors, Because until 491 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: I moved to Washington to work for the Senate Judiciary Committee, 492 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: I didn't own a TV. And then I got one 493 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 3: because I wanted to be able to. 494 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: Watch c SPAN because I'm cool that way. 495 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 3: And so for the first time I'm watching TV while 496 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 3: while working in a judiciary committee, and then and then 497 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: doing a lot of TV on on. Luckily we had 498 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: a President who was a felon, which was really great 499 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 3: for a lawyer trying to not practice law. And what 500 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 3: I noticed was, for one thing, the hurting everyone, everyone 501 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 3: will say the same thing, and for protection who I 502 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 3: don't know who the first person is, you know, who's 503 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: the first move or here, and then they will all 504 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 3: say the exact same thing. And I didn't realize what 505 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: the rules were, so I'd come along and the first 506 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: like ten times this happened, I thought, Wow, I must 507 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: be misunderstanding something, because I think that's totally wrong. For example, 508 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 3: how the Supreme Court was going to come out on 509 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: Jones v. Clinton or I guess at that point it 510 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: was Clinton v. 511 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 4: Jones. 512 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: I'd written articles for Human Events saying, she's totally going 513 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 3: to win. This is what the precedent is. Of course 514 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: she wins. She won nine to zero. I was the 515 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 3: only person saying that. I was writing the article. The 516 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: day after the night of the Supreme Court argument, I 517 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: hear the flop of the New York Times in front 518 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: of my apartment. I get up and I read Linda 519 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: Greenhouse and what everyone was saying was they're going to 520 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: split the baby, split the baby. She'll be able to sue, 521 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: but it won't be during his presidency. They're going to 522 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: split the baby. And it did make me sit back 523 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 3: and think, am I Am I wrong about this? And no, 524 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: I looked at the case law again. Nope, I think 525 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: I'm right, and I swear to you, Ryan grew Dusky. 526 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 3: I was the only person saying that. But then when 527 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: the result comes out, not. 528 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 4: That I'm demanding credit, but you know, a little pat 529 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 4: on the head would be nice. No, no one will 530 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 4: remember it. And why will no one remember it? 531 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 3: Because they all were saying the same wrong thing, so 532 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 3: no one can point it out. 533 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: And you, yeah, and you still have today, is that 534 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: the same wrong thing? Because it's what's acceptable, Like it's 535 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: acceptable even in like the conserved ghetto, as I call it, 536 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: Like this is what the opinion is. It could be 537 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: asked and it could be wrong. And sometimes you'll hear 538 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: like during the first step back when Trump passes. Not 539 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: to muddy any love on Trump, but it was a 540 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: bad bill that he' said. 541 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 4: Now his first term really sucks. 542 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he would say the first step back, which 543 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: was horrendous, and he later, according to several juris, regretted it. 544 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: But you would hear conservatives. Conservatives sit there and say, well, here, 545 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton talk about a minority of black people committing 546 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: a majority of crimes, and how racist she is. I'm like, 547 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: she's right. Everything she's saying here is correct, and you 548 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't oppose it just because she's saying it when it's correct, 549 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: and it will drive me personally insane. 550 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 4: I will. 551 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 3: I think the highlight of the Trumps stupidity term one 552 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: was in his first debate with Biden. 553 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 4: I include it in like every third column I write. Now. 554 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 3: It still makes me so angry. After eight months of 555 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: BLM riots and cities being burned down and the homicide 556 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: rate going through the roof Donald's Trump bragged, I'm letting 557 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: people out of jail now. Black people hate you. You 558 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 3: call them super predators. And by the way, he didn't 559 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 3: call black people. Neither Biden or no one else called 560 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 3: black people super predators. They called super predator super predators. 561 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 4: As you're we're seeing in New York City right now. 562 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 4: I mean, it's always the case. 563 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: That like ninety percent of the crime is being committed 564 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 3: by ten percent of the people. Lock them up and 565 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: you go a long way to solving the crime problem. 566 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: That's the super predator issue. It's a perfectly legit issue. 567 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: The way to attack Biden was that he's weak on crime, 568 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: not that I'm letting people out of jail. 569 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 4: But let's talk about happy days the new Trump administration. 570 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: Now, I go back to the media appointment. What is 571 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: the biggest change you've seen in three decades in conservative media? 572 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: Has it gotten better than it was in the nineties 573 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: or has it gotten in two thousands and tens or 574 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: has it gotten worse. 575 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: Well, they're just as stupid but and just as heard like. 576 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: But oh my gosh, it's a huge difference. I've done 577 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: a podcast on it. I mean, it blows me away 578 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: every single day. When after Romney lost, and long before that, 579 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 3: I mean, Republicans just kept pushing an amnesty, kept pushing 580 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: an aim amnesty. 581 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 4: McCain did it, Bush did it. Romney didn't. 582 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: But as soon as Romney loses, but he was the 583 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 3: toughest on immigration. 584 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: To believe it for sure. 585 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, in twenty twelve, then you know the RNC I 586 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: think tank, they get together the brains of the operation 587 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: and their ideas. 588 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: We've got to be for an amnesty. 589 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 3: And I think Rush was I know, Hannity came out 590 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: for an amnesty and. 591 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 4: So, I mean, those were those were dark days. 592 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: It was down to I mean I didn't know you, 593 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: then I assume you me Stephen Miller was that drouge 594 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: A few drudge Yeah, basically anyone who's ever lived in LA. 595 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: That great talk radio host McIntyre. I can't remember his 596 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 3: first name, but he was KABC LA. He wouldn't I 597 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: think he didn't vote for Reagan. He didn't vote for 598 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: Bush because of because. 599 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: That lady from southern California. Two, she was a big 600 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: anti immigration, right remember her name either. There were very 601 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: very Michelle Malkin at the time, she wasn't work anymore 602 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: in the media, but there were very, very very few 603 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: because and then we turned out that the autopsy was 604 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: doctor to make it seeling and it wasn't even real 605 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: begin with, because special interests always had I tell I 606 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: give special I like talks to people who are like 607 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: twenty one twenty two I employees or twenty one twenty 608 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: two who never knew the nineties, unfortunately, who never knew 609 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: how great America was, unfortunately, and they also never knew 610 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: how bad it was in the when I started coming 611 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: writing articles like six o seven and it was at 612 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: that time, and I became a Republican, as I said, 613 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: anyone who's against amnesty for legal immigrants, I am for 614 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: because I saw how it transformed Queens, New York, where 615 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm from, born and raised, and I said, this is 616 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: they have like dead chickens in backyards now formerly very 617 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: nice German or Italian neighborhoods. So I just was like, 618 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: this is not the neighbor I grew up, and this 619 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: is I see the transformation having for my eyes, and 620 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: it is a remarkably better Republican party than it was, 621 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: even though it's even just that. 622 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 4: All the idiot talking heads, I mean, it's just stunning 623 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 4: to me. 624 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: And you know, I'll retweet them sometimes, but they're like 625 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 3: direct quotes from Adios America, and I don't know if 626 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 3: you know. 627 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 4: Adios America was not well received at Fox News. It 628 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 4: was not well received. 629 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 3: It wasn't well received by my own publishers, Salem. 630 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 4: They wouldn't allow me to. 631 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 3: Participate in radio events. I used to always do it 632 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 3: to promote any other book. Now they've actually published this 633 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: book and I would be banned from from. 634 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: Really yeah all of well you told me one time. 635 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,239 Speaker 1: So in publishing. The way it works is if you 636 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: have a first time bestseller, you don't make money off it. 637 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: You make it money off of year advance of your 638 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: second book. You didn't make money for your second book. 639 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: I don't think right. Is that correct? 640 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 4: No one would publish it. 641 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: What was your second booker Slander? And it was a bestseller. 642 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 3: Number one all summer. I publishers are all summer, but 643 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 3: no one would publishing. My agent, Jonie Evans, would forward 644 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 3: me some of the emails, and she was in with 645 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 3: all the publishing houses. You couldn't have a better book agent. 646 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: And I just remember one of them with the publishers saying, 647 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 3: we do not think this would move the public dialogue forward. 648 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 3: So I responded to Joni saying, wow, that's so weird. 649 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 3: I thought publishers made money. And how many books they sold. 650 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 4: I had no idea. It was how many inches they 651 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 4: moved the public. 652 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 3: And there's a chapter in Slander about how publishers they 653 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: would give quotes about how they kept remember that woman, 654 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 3: Naomi Wolf, They kept giving home million dollar advances, they 655 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: kept losing money on them, and then the head of 656 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: the publishing company would say yes, but was so proud 657 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 3: to have her as an author, and there were all 658 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 3: these books. Actually, it was my mother who pointed this 659 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 3: out to me. When High Crimes and Mister Meanors was 660 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 3: a smash bestseller, my mother got a little resentful that 661 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 3: everyone kept referring to it as a surprise bestseller. My 662 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: mother's very sensitive to any slight toward me. And I thought, huh, 663 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 3: that's funny, And so I looked up on Nexus and 664 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 3: there was one massive conservative blockbuster after another, and they 665 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 3: were all described as surprise best sellers. They literally published 666 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 3: by a mainstream publisher. Yeah, there was God and Man 667 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: at Yale. I think Whittaker Chambers witness some of the 668 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: really big ones. Probably the one on true story of Chapelquitica, 669 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 3: I don't remember, but it's. 670 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 4: In that chapter. And luckily my publisher. 671 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 3: For Slander was Steve Ross, God bless him, who actually 672 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 3: did think that a publishing company Crown should make money. 673 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 4: And so they wanted it. But I've been sitting with 674 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 4: this book for a year. 675 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: Did anyone ever apologize or say, hey, we lost money 676 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: on you. I wish you would have done it. 677 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 3: No, but Steve Ross was happy because he he published it, 678 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 3: and I forced the publishing industry. 679 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 4: They said it would take a year to turn around. 680 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 4: That used to be. 681 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 3: It's hard to believe now given technology, but it used 682 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 3: to be you'd turn in a book and it would 683 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 3: come out as a book one year later. And they said, okay, 684 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 3: this will come out one year later. I said, I 685 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 3: can't do that, and I got to go back to Regnory. 686 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 3: I just I can't sit with this book anymore. It's 687 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: got to come out now. I know it's got to 688 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 3: come out now. And and so they fiddled around and 689 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 3: they said, okay, we'll put it out in June. And 690 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 3: my editor later told me that the reason they were 691 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 3: resisting so much was they always knew they could do 692 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 3: it in two months, but no one wanted to work 693 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 3: that hard. So now everybody well very quickly. 694 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 4: Now it's so much easier with con writer. 695 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: Well, and thank you so much for coming on my podcast. 696 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: Before I leave you, I have I mean, there's I 697 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: have so many friends who always like, well next to me, 698 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: see An, can you bring me with me? And I'm like, uh, 699 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: you'd probably be too spanished, whatever, but I want to 700 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: ask one of their questions. You very famously had a 701 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: lot of arguments on television with like Barbara Walters and 702 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: Katie Couric and you know, just like you know spats 703 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: on air, Chris Matthews when you called John Edwards a 704 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: woman one of your best moments. Who is someone on 705 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: TV that you enjoyed personally that you just argued with 706 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: for the for the sake of it on televisor working 707 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 1: for the political reasons? 708 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 4: A fair number of them. 709 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if they exist anymore. Alan Combs, obviously, 710 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 3: Bill Joy Behar. There was a guy, Rick Sanchez on 711 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 3: CNN who hilariously was canceled for he said something about how. 712 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 4: Jewish power over. 713 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 3: The media, and to prove him wrong, they got him fired. 714 00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 4: Way to go, Wow, he was wrong, all right? 715 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: And where can people get your substack? You're fantastic substect 716 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: that everyone should subscribe to. 717 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 4: Thank you and Culter dot substack dot com. 718 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 3: I have an interview with Michael Shellenberger comming and right 719 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 3: now the Seth Dylan interview is up. 720 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 4: And you got my columns every week. 721 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: Her comms are great, her podcasts are better. And Coulter, 722 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: you're amazing. Thank you for being here. 723 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 4: Good to talk to you. Ryan, You're dusky. 724 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 2: Hey, we'll be right back after this This is the 725 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 2: ask Me Anything part of the show where listeners can 726 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 2: sit there and send me an email Ryan at Numbers 727 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: Game podcast dot com. 728 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: That's ryanat numbers Plural podcast dot com. Chew me an 729 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: email about literally anything, and I'll ask. I'll answer for 730 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: you the best my ability. This question comes from Wes 731 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: West asked, your school board pack did very well in 732 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: Wisconsin while the Supreme Court candidate lost by double digits. 733 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: Why do you think you were successful locally more than statewide? 734 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: Conservatives work? That's a great question. So I have a 735 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: school board pack the seventeen seventy six project. We do 736 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: school board races across the country. We did I think 737 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: twenty seven races in Wisconsin and we won twenty of 738 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: the twenty seven twenty sixth that we had a seventy 739 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: five percent victory rate in a day. That wasn't very 740 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: good for Republicans. Statewide one, school boards are more localized, 741 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: so we had a lot of regions that were very 742 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: conservative and they voted for the conservative judge. Those a 743 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: conservative rather school board canate as well as a conservative judge. 744 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: That partly benefited us. But I think when he comes 745 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: to Wisconsin and why Republicans and Conservatives fell short. I 746 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: think there's a number of reasons. One, I think Elon Musk. 747 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: I know, Conservatives love him, but among Americans as a whole, 748 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: they don't like Elon. Elon's favorability ratings are very low, 749 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: much lower than President Trump's or Vice president of vanceas 750 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: he comes across as you know, obviously very wealthy and 751 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 1: possibly doing business with a federal government or having control 752 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: in federal government that he gets brands from which people find, 753 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, not tasteful. But they find him weird. That's 754 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: just the truth of the matter. They find him weird. 755 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: He's somebody who's talked about things like putting chips in 756 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: people's brains and having you know, multi planet empires, and 757 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: he's just talked about things about humanity and a post 758 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: human world that I think people find very very off putting, 759 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: including Republicans, including Christians. That makes people question things. His 760 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: love of AI I think gives a lot of people 761 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,760 Speaker 1: some anxiety. So him going to Iowa doing events, being 762 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: the face of the rally instead of something like Trump, 763 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: I think actually hurt the conservative candidate. Secondly, on early vote, 764 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: the Democrats did a very robust early vote plan. They 765 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: got people out early, so on election theydempt to wait 766 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: for election day. We've seen this problem for so long. 767 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: Republicans like we have seen this problem constantly where we 768 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: do not get our low propensity voters out and they 769 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: get theirs out through the early voting system. Republicans got 770 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,280 Speaker 1: a lot of voters out. We had a good candidate, 771 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: he did a hard work, he did a good job. 772 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: He wasn't a bad candidate. But election day, just the 773 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: way we run elections now, it starts way before the 774 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: actual first Tuesday November. It starts months ahead of time 775 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: in some places because the early vote, and we have 776 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: to treat it like that. And I think that lastly, 777 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: as I said before, we worked in certain regions like 778 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: Waukesha County and other counties that may be more conservative 779 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: than to it, and we were reinforcing conservative margins. We 780 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: did flip two school board districts, but that mattered immensely 781 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: to it. But I think that when it comes to 782 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: Wisconsin and all future elections, I don't think that Elon 783 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: Musk should be the face of the of the anti 784 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: liberal movement. I just think that people find him strange 785 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: at best and off putting at worse, the Roman salute 786 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: Nazis loop suff doesn't help, and we have to do 787 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: a better job of that. I'm not saying he has 788 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: no value. I'm not saying he's a bad person. I'm 789 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: not saying that. But for the face of voters when 790 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,879 Speaker 1: they question who would you like to have a beer with? 791 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: I think they might like to ask elon a couple questions, 792 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: But autistic men in their mid forties with fourteen kids, 793 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: team kids, what HA made is with five or four 794 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: different women is not their first choice. That's my best 795 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: opinion of it. And that's why I think we do 796 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: better locally than conservatives did statewide. Anyway, thank you so much. 797 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: Please simit questions for next week and every question every 798 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,879 Speaker 1: every show afterwards. 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