1 00:00:04,078 --> 00:00:07,358 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:14,078 --> 00:00:16,798 Speaker 1: Hi there, it's Tom Verducci with Joe Madden and it's 3 00:00:16,878 --> 00:00:21,278 Speaker 1: time for the latest episode of the Book of Joe Podcast. 4 00:00:21,638 --> 00:00:24,518 Speaker 1: Hey Joe, We're about halfway through the baseball season and 5 00:00:24,798 --> 00:00:27,278 Speaker 1: we've got the fourth of July weekend coming up. A 6 00:00:27,358 --> 00:00:30,078 Speaker 1: lot going on here. I can't believe we've got here already. 7 00:00:30,078 --> 00:00:31,318 Speaker 1: This season is flying by. 8 00:00:32,078 --> 00:00:34,678 Speaker 2: It does what happens. And I've talked about this before. 9 00:00:34,758 --> 00:00:38,038 Speaker 2: Spring training goes so slowly, that's like everybody. I love it, 10 00:00:38,078 --> 00:00:41,518 Speaker 2: but it's a slow dance. And then once the season games, 11 00:00:41,558 --> 00:00:45,598 Speaker 2: Wimena man, it just flies you. Jeff Ziggler, our traveling 12 00:00:45,638 --> 00:00:47,838 Speaker 2: secretary with the Rays, used to rip off a page 13 00:00:47,838 --> 00:00:51,238 Speaker 2: off that little pocket schedule after every month, and before 14 00:00:51,238 --> 00:00:52,438 Speaker 2: you know it's the end of the year. It just 15 00:00:52,638 --> 00:00:55,278 Speaker 2: you got to fasten the seat belts, get ready to go. 16 00:00:55,358 --> 00:00:57,158 Speaker 3: But it gets quicker and quicker right now. 17 00:00:57,358 --> 00:00:59,758 Speaker 1: Well, later on I want to ask you about I 18 00:00:59,838 --> 00:01:02,758 Speaker 1: need some recommendations from you about what kind of tunes 19 00:01:02,758 --> 00:01:04,958 Speaker 1: I should be playing for my Best Cared Barbecue on 20 00:01:04,958 --> 00:01:08,038 Speaker 1: the fourth of July. That's really important stuff we're going 21 00:01:08,078 --> 00:01:10,558 Speaker 1: to get into. But you mentioned about the arc of 22 00:01:10,558 --> 00:01:13,758 Speaker 1: the season here, and obviously the teams can no longer 23 00:01:13,798 --> 00:01:17,198 Speaker 1: say it's a bad start or it's early. And in fact, 24 00:01:17,278 --> 00:01:19,798 Speaker 1: I look around baseball in the last couple of weeks here, Joe, 25 00:01:20,158 --> 00:01:22,798 Speaker 1: and you can see where the tensions starting to rise 26 00:01:22,878 --> 00:01:25,678 Speaker 1: on certain teams and managers. And I'm going to ask 27 00:01:25,718 --> 00:01:28,278 Speaker 1: you about when that happens, how a manager deals with it. 28 00:01:28,638 --> 00:01:33,118 Speaker 1: I call it when good players and good teams go bad. 29 00:01:33,758 --> 00:01:35,798 Speaker 1: And you know as well as I do, teams will 30 00:01:35,838 --> 00:01:39,438 Speaker 1: look to the manager to how that manager responds in 31 00:01:39,518 --> 00:01:43,078 Speaker 1: those scenarios. And there have been a certain number of 32 00:01:43,118 --> 00:01:45,318 Speaker 1: scenarios in the last week or so that I want 33 00:01:45,358 --> 00:01:47,398 Speaker 1: you to run by you, And I want to start 34 00:01:47,398 --> 00:01:50,398 Speaker 1: with Wander Franco and the Tampa Bay Rays. Now, they've 35 00:01:50,398 --> 00:01:52,518 Speaker 1: been playing great, there's no problem there. They got out 36 00:01:52,518 --> 00:01:55,558 Speaker 1: of the gates super fast. They really haven't taken their 37 00:01:55,558 --> 00:01:59,118 Speaker 1: foot off the pedal. But Kevin Cash had to sit 38 00:01:59,318 --> 00:02:03,238 Speaker 1: wander Franco for a couple of days. Basically, if I 39 00:02:03,318 --> 00:02:08,918 Speaker 1: can Parafe raised what Cash said conduct detrimental to his teammates, 40 00:02:09,198 --> 00:02:13,438 Speaker 1: Basically getting frustrated over certain things not going his way 41 00:02:13,718 --> 00:02:17,238 Speaker 1: and letting his behavior affect other players on the team, 42 00:02:17,318 --> 00:02:19,958 Speaker 1: whether it was temper tantrums or getting in somebody's face 43 00:02:20,598 --> 00:02:24,718 Speaker 1: not running something out. Joe That told me, you correct 44 00:02:24,718 --> 00:02:26,998 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here, that this was an issue 45 00:02:27,038 --> 00:02:29,758 Speaker 1: going on for a while. You know, obviously Kevin Cash 46 00:02:29,798 --> 00:02:32,118 Speaker 1: is not going to respond like that to a one 47 00:02:32,158 --> 00:02:35,718 Speaker 1: off incident. How bad do you think would have to 48 00:02:35,718 --> 00:02:39,638 Speaker 1: be for a manager, especially in today's game, to level 49 00:02:39,718 --> 00:02:42,958 Speaker 1: discipline so publicly for one of the star players. 50 00:02:43,718 --> 00:02:47,318 Speaker 2: Everything is so publicly. Yeah, I you're right, it had 51 00:02:47,358 --> 00:02:49,758 Speaker 2: to have been going on for a while. I actually 52 00:02:49,758 --> 00:02:53,558 Speaker 2: addressed this yesterday on MLB Network, And for me, what 53 00:02:53,638 --> 00:02:56,758 Speaker 2: we're permitting this to happen is my take on it. 54 00:02:56,958 --> 00:02:59,118 Speaker 2: Let me see if I could explain what I'm what 55 00:02:59,158 --> 00:03:02,598 Speaker 2: I mean, excuse me. I believe, first of all, the 56 00:03:02,638 --> 00:03:05,958 Speaker 2: manager has to be empowered for day one to met 57 00:03:05,998 --> 00:03:09,598 Speaker 2: out this kind of a discipline disciplinary action in conjunction 58 00:03:09,638 --> 00:03:11,718 Speaker 2: with this coaching staff and the leadership with this group. 59 00:03:12,198 --> 00:03:15,198 Speaker 2: I think sometimes the younger player that gets somewhat protected 60 00:03:15,238 --> 00:03:17,958 Speaker 2: by front offices is able to get away with things 61 00:03:17,998 --> 00:03:22,158 Speaker 2: to a certain level because it's almost like parenting. He 62 00:03:22,238 --> 00:03:25,518 Speaker 2: will get in between the front office or people whatever 63 00:03:25,718 --> 00:03:27,198 Speaker 2: higher ups, or if we want to call him and 64 00:03:27,238 --> 00:03:29,958 Speaker 2: the field staff and try to play one against the 65 00:03:29,998 --> 00:03:33,118 Speaker 2: other in order to curry favor because you know he's 66 00:03:33,158 --> 00:03:34,198 Speaker 2: young and he's talented. 67 00:03:34,238 --> 00:03:34,518 Speaker 3: Whatever. 68 00:03:35,678 --> 00:03:39,598 Speaker 2: I really think that if you just permit, you just 69 00:03:39,638 --> 00:03:42,038 Speaker 2: permit the manager to really take charge of this from 70 00:03:42,078 --> 00:03:44,918 Speaker 2: the beginning and the leadership group within the team, that 71 00:03:44,998 --> 00:03:48,838 Speaker 2: will not happen. We're just we're like, we're condoning, we're advocating. 72 00:03:48,878 --> 00:03:50,598 Speaker 2: We want them to flip the ball up in the 73 00:03:50,598 --> 00:03:52,758 Speaker 2: ear and then throw the ball the first base. We 74 00:03:52,798 --> 00:03:55,158 Speaker 2: want them to be flamboyant in the game because it's 75 00:03:55,198 --> 00:03:57,638 Speaker 2: perceived that that's what's going to bring more young people 76 00:03:57,678 --> 00:03:58,318 Speaker 2: to our game. 77 00:03:58,758 --> 00:04:01,118 Speaker 3: So I think it's interconnected. 78 00:04:01,838 --> 00:04:05,678 Speaker 2: It's interconnected, and it's happen in another situations, other teams, 79 00:04:05,678 --> 00:04:08,038 Speaker 2: and it's going to continue to happen unless the growing 80 00:04:08,078 --> 00:04:12,598 Speaker 2: ups in a room take charge. That's how I describe it. Yeah, listen, 81 00:04:13,038 --> 00:04:14,598 Speaker 2: you know me and everybody it's been wrong. 82 00:04:14,718 --> 00:04:16,878 Speaker 3: I love having a good time. We celebrate every win. 83 00:04:17,358 --> 00:04:20,038 Speaker 2: We celebrate everyone with a disco ball and a laser show. 84 00:04:20,158 --> 00:04:22,198 Speaker 2: And you know, used to be like beer throwing all 85 00:04:22,238 --> 00:04:25,878 Speaker 2: over everybody, but now it's water. But we celebrate, we 86 00:04:25,918 --> 00:04:28,158 Speaker 2: celebrate achievement, and we always do. We have fun every 87 00:04:28,198 --> 00:04:31,398 Speaker 2: day batting practice. I've actually had breakfast served on the 88 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:32,638 Speaker 2: field part of playoff games. 89 00:04:32,758 --> 00:04:33,398 Speaker 3: That's fun. 90 00:04:33,958 --> 00:04:36,878 Speaker 2: But to take the game and kind of make it 91 00:04:36,878 --> 00:04:39,358 Speaker 2: more frivolous, Listen, this is not rocket science. 92 00:04:39,398 --> 00:04:39,798 Speaker 3: I get it. 93 00:04:39,838 --> 00:04:42,678 Speaker 2: But we're addressing situations on the field that should be 94 00:04:42,678 --> 00:04:46,878 Speaker 2: addressed early on, earlier on through. We don't do this here. 95 00:04:47,718 --> 00:04:50,318 Speaker 2: That's not how we're going to play here. That's inappropriate, 96 00:04:50,398 --> 00:04:54,838 Speaker 2: that's unacceptable here. Yeah, play hard, have fun, absolutely, play 97 00:04:54,838 --> 00:04:56,798 Speaker 2: with your hair on fire. But when you get to 98 00:04:56,838 --> 00:05:00,238 Speaker 2: the points where it's detrimental to the team and everybody 99 00:05:00,238 --> 00:05:01,118 Speaker 2: else is feeling. 100 00:05:00,878 --> 00:05:02,198 Speaker 3: It, you got to step in and do something. 101 00:05:02,278 --> 00:05:05,838 Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, empower your coaches to do this 102 00:05:06,238 --> 00:05:08,958 Speaker 2: up front, and your manager first of all in the 103 00:05:09,038 --> 00:05:10,798 Speaker 2: leadership group, and I think you'll be able to avert 104 00:05:10,838 --> 00:05:11,118 Speaker 2: some of this. 105 00:05:11,798 --> 00:05:14,118 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love what you said there about having fun. 106 00:05:14,158 --> 00:05:16,798 Speaker 1: That everything you described there, Joe, was in the concept 107 00:05:16,838 --> 00:05:20,278 Speaker 1: of team right, And I think we're looking at something 108 00:05:20,438 --> 00:05:22,878 Speaker 1: if you want to look even really bigger, it's something 109 00:05:22,878 --> 00:05:26,118 Speaker 1: going on culturally, and we see in baseball it has 110 00:05:26,158 --> 00:05:30,318 Speaker 1: become more about me than team. It's look at me, 111 00:05:31,038 --> 00:05:32,958 Speaker 1: And you can still have the look at me within 112 00:05:32,958 --> 00:05:36,598 Speaker 1: a team concept when your ultimate motivation is to win 113 00:05:36,638 --> 00:05:38,878 Speaker 1: the game and to be a good teammate. There's nothing 114 00:05:38,918 --> 00:05:41,798 Speaker 1: wrong with showing some swag and having some fun, getting 115 00:05:41,798 --> 00:05:44,678 Speaker 1: that big hit, celebrating with your teammates. But when you 116 00:05:44,758 --> 00:05:48,078 Speaker 1: kind of bring that showcase baseball mentality, you know, I 117 00:05:48,158 --> 00:05:50,518 Speaker 1: have to stand out. I have to you know, everything 118 00:05:50,558 --> 00:05:53,158 Speaker 1: starts with I. I think that's where you get in trouble. 119 00:05:53,158 --> 00:05:56,118 Speaker 1: And I think for today's manager, Joe, I mean, that 120 00:05:56,238 --> 00:05:59,878 Speaker 1: is an uphill climb to try to preach, you know, 121 00:06:00,038 --> 00:06:03,718 Speaker 1: the true team concept when it's not being done on 122 00:06:03,758 --> 00:06:05,678 Speaker 1: the climb up to get to the major leagues. 123 00:06:06,478 --> 00:06:07,478 Speaker 3: Perfect, perfect point. 124 00:06:07,518 --> 00:06:11,558 Speaker 2: I mean the Showcase one hundred percent in agreement with that. 125 00:06:11,758 --> 00:06:17,318 Speaker 2: I've seen that probably right around twenty ten, between twenty 126 00:06:17,318 --> 00:06:20,638 Speaker 2: ten and twenty fifteen, the ascension of the showcase player, 127 00:06:21,478 --> 00:06:24,158 Speaker 2: the guy that goes out and gets on a travel 128 00:06:24,198 --> 00:06:28,278 Speaker 2: team and plays everywhere but his home city. Like Hazelton 129 00:06:28,318 --> 00:06:31,158 Speaker 2: beating West Hazleton it is important anymore. Now Hazelton's got 130 00:06:31,158 --> 00:06:35,678 Speaker 2: to beat Lansdale or Pennsbury or something down the road. 131 00:06:35,678 --> 00:06:38,238 Speaker 2: By Philadelphia. You just can't win here. You have to 132 00:06:38,238 --> 00:06:40,318 Speaker 2: get out and you have to travel, and when you 133 00:06:40,398 --> 00:06:43,758 Speaker 2: do that, you're not winning for the sake of winning 134 00:06:43,798 --> 00:06:47,878 Speaker 2: for the good old Mountaineers. You're trying to be best 135 00:06:47,918 --> 00:06:50,358 Speaker 2: in show. You're trying to be the best player there 136 00:06:50,438 --> 00:06:54,118 Speaker 2: so that you get the most notoriety and potentially the 137 00:06:54,158 --> 00:06:58,718 Speaker 2: most scholarship offers or the highest draft ranking. And that's 138 00:06:58,758 --> 00:07:00,758 Speaker 2: what these people are paying for. Parents are paying for 139 00:07:00,798 --> 00:07:03,438 Speaker 2: this stuff, and it happens. Of course, it happens to 140 00:07:03,478 --> 00:07:06,038 Speaker 2: the really talented who would have been in that situation 141 00:07:06,118 --> 00:07:08,638 Speaker 2: regardless had the money been paid or not, as long 142 00:07:08,638 --> 00:07:09,758 Speaker 2: as they've been playing somewhere. 143 00:07:09,838 --> 00:07:12,918 Speaker 3: So where where again? I agree? I mean, listen, I'm 144 00:07:12,998 --> 00:07:14,798 Speaker 3: all fun. I'm not the no fund league. I'm the 145 00:07:14,838 --> 00:07:19,558 Speaker 3: all fund league. But I don't I can't advocate that. 146 00:07:19,638 --> 00:07:25,198 Speaker 2: I think that's it's working against you. Are injuring that 147 00:07:25,278 --> 00:07:27,638 Speaker 2: the team concept. You are promoting individuality. 148 00:07:27,678 --> 00:07:28,158 Speaker 3: Branding. 149 00:07:28,398 --> 00:07:30,918 Speaker 2: God, I hate when I hear somebody's working on their brand. 150 00:07:30,958 --> 00:07:33,078 Speaker 2: I just that makes me cringe a little bit. So 151 00:07:33,558 --> 00:07:36,038 Speaker 2: all of this stuff is interconnected. I think one hundred percent. 152 00:07:35,838 --> 00:07:38,718 Speaker 1: Right, I'm with you on that brand word as well, 153 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:42,518 Speaker 1: that brand is something that's inorganic. It's something that's created 154 00:07:42,798 --> 00:07:46,998 Speaker 1: you as a human being. Have you know inorganic personality? 155 00:07:47,078 --> 00:07:49,638 Speaker 1: Let that show. By the way, I liked what Kevin 156 00:07:49,678 --> 00:07:52,638 Speaker 1: Cash did. I thought he was upfront, transparent. I mean, listen, 157 00:07:52,638 --> 00:07:54,878 Speaker 1: you're going to have to explain yourself when your star 158 00:07:54,998 --> 00:07:57,118 Speaker 1: shortstop is not in the lineup for a couple of days. 159 00:07:57,118 --> 00:07:59,838 Speaker 1: So it's not like he could gloss over it. But 160 00:07:59,958 --> 00:08:02,078 Speaker 1: you tell he had rehearsed what he wanted to say. 161 00:08:02,798 --> 00:08:05,478 Speaker 1: He really didn't personally lies that. He just talked in 162 00:08:05,558 --> 00:08:09,798 Speaker 1: general about what wonder behavior where it needed help. So 163 00:08:09,918 --> 00:08:12,118 Speaker 1: good on Kevin Cash. I like the fact that he 164 00:08:12,158 --> 00:08:15,198 Speaker 1: did step up and he took accountability there. And let's 165 00:08:15,198 --> 00:08:17,758 Speaker 1: talk about Aaron Boone. With the Yankees. There was a manager, 166 00:08:17,798 --> 00:08:19,518 Speaker 1: it might have been Tony Larus, I'm not sure who 167 00:08:19,518 --> 00:08:22,238 Speaker 1: it was who once said, don't let us star fall 168 00:08:22,318 --> 00:08:26,718 Speaker 1: on you managing star players, established players who are having 169 00:08:26,758 --> 00:08:29,358 Speaker 1: a tough time. Man, Joe, that's got to be tough 170 00:08:29,398 --> 00:08:31,278 Speaker 1: for a manager. And I look at the Yankees right 171 00:08:31,318 --> 00:08:34,438 Speaker 1: now with Aaron Judge out of the lineup, and some 172 00:08:34,518 --> 00:08:38,958 Speaker 1: of Aaron Boone's stars simply are not performing well. You 173 00:08:39,078 --> 00:08:43,238 Speaker 1: have John Carlos Stanton who is hitting sixty eight against 174 00:08:43,278 --> 00:08:46,678 Speaker 1: fastballs this month, continually beaten by fastballs, and the same 175 00:08:46,758 --> 00:08:50,398 Speaker 1: is really happening with Josh Donaldson. He's hitting one twenty 176 00:08:50,478 --> 00:08:54,318 Speaker 1: one against fastballs, including sixty seven when it's ninety five 177 00:08:54,358 --> 00:08:57,798 Speaker 1: and above. These are star players who are just their 178 00:08:57,838 --> 00:09:01,958 Speaker 1: timing just is not there. They're getting beat So you know, 179 00:09:02,318 --> 00:09:04,878 Speaker 1: Aaron Boone has some other options. He's got a deep 180 00:09:04,998 --> 00:09:08,118 Speaker 1: roster and he did not have Donaldson in the lineup 181 00:09:08,158 --> 00:09:10,678 Speaker 1: for a couple of days and that required a couple 182 00:09:10,718 --> 00:09:13,158 Speaker 1: of meetings with Josh Dollinson, who let it be known 183 00:09:13,198 --> 00:09:15,758 Speaker 1: he wasn't happy about it. I don't know if you've 184 00:09:15,758 --> 00:09:18,238 Speaker 1: had specific cases like that, Joe, but that's got to 185 00:09:18,278 --> 00:09:22,318 Speaker 1: be really, really difficult when you've got the established player 186 00:09:22,798 --> 00:09:24,918 Speaker 1: who seems to have urged your trust. But there comes 187 00:09:24,918 --> 00:09:27,238 Speaker 1: a point where you've just got to set the player 188 00:09:27,318 --> 00:09:29,398 Speaker 1: down and explain it to him why you're doing it. 189 00:09:29,998 --> 00:09:30,838 Speaker 3: Been there. 190 00:09:31,118 --> 00:09:34,398 Speaker 2: It is difficult, but it has to be done. You 191 00:09:34,438 --> 00:09:36,718 Speaker 2: cannot let one guy be bigger than the entire group. 192 00:09:36,758 --> 00:09:39,078 Speaker 2: And of course, if he's an older player, normally it 193 00:09:39,638 --> 00:09:41,278 Speaker 2: could be just age related and. 194 00:09:41,278 --> 00:09:42,278 Speaker 3: Things have slowed down. 195 00:09:42,278 --> 00:09:45,798 Speaker 2: It could be that combined with an injury, and then 196 00:09:45,878 --> 00:09:48,398 Speaker 2: on top of that, the confidence takes a hit, regardless 197 00:09:48,438 --> 00:09:50,558 Speaker 2: of how much success you've had in the past, And 198 00:09:50,638 --> 00:09:52,478 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm going to continue to play 199 00:09:52,518 --> 00:09:55,678 Speaker 2: this guy, and I know, I know the team would 200 00:09:55,718 --> 00:09:57,798 Speaker 2: be much better off if I chose this younger guy, 201 00:09:57,838 --> 00:10:00,398 Speaker 2: breaking man, bring him along not only now but forre 202 00:10:00,438 --> 00:10:02,838 Speaker 2: in the future too. So they have to be done. 203 00:10:03,038 --> 00:10:05,518 Speaker 2: And listen, Donald's and he can get hot, absolutely can 204 00:10:05,558 --> 00:10:07,638 Speaker 2: get hot. And of course Danton's going to get hot there. 205 00:10:07,758 --> 00:10:09,958 Speaker 2: That's all going to happen, and that's going to be 206 00:10:09,998 --> 00:10:12,438 Speaker 2: down the road. But in the meantime, if you just 207 00:10:12,518 --> 00:10:15,918 Speaker 2: continue to stay with these people and continue the slide, 208 00:10:16,918 --> 00:10:19,038 Speaker 2: why you're seeing things, I mean, it's like, listen, it's 209 00:10:19,038 --> 00:10:21,798 Speaker 2: always about seeing. I'm seeing that this ain't working right now, 210 00:10:21,838 --> 00:10:23,838 Speaker 2: and it's not going to work for a while, and 211 00:10:23,918 --> 00:10:26,358 Speaker 2: maybe over a course of time, sitting him down a 212 00:10:26,358 --> 00:10:32,278 Speaker 2: little extra work, different way of thinking, perspective. All of 213 00:10:32,318 --> 00:10:33,718 Speaker 2: a sudden it comes back and he looks like a 214 00:10:33,718 --> 00:10:36,238 Speaker 2: different player somebody had in the past. But your eyes, 215 00:10:36,278 --> 00:10:39,238 Speaker 2: your eyes don't lie either. Now you know you're watching 216 00:10:39,278 --> 00:10:41,798 Speaker 2: this whole thing, and you see something that is different, 217 00:10:41,798 --> 00:10:43,678 Speaker 2: and you have to make these decisions. And I've been 218 00:10:43,678 --> 00:10:46,318 Speaker 2: there absolute one hundred percent have been there with different players, 219 00:10:47,398 --> 00:10:50,918 Speaker 2: and it's a difficult thing to do. And what occurs 220 00:10:50,958 --> 00:10:54,518 Speaker 2: there you just the concern there is that whomever this 221 00:10:54,558 --> 00:10:57,078 Speaker 2: guy is, if he has enough cachet in the room, 222 00:10:57,478 --> 00:10:59,558 Speaker 2: and if he wants to talk among everybody else and 223 00:10:59,558 --> 00:11:02,958 Speaker 2: looks for allies and gets supported, that's when it becomes difficult. 224 00:11:03,598 --> 00:11:06,838 Speaker 2: When the leadership group within the clubhouse is strong enough 225 00:11:06,878 --> 00:11:10,558 Speaker 2: and they see a player looking for allies, you know, 226 00:11:10,678 --> 00:11:13,318 Speaker 2: versus the manager of the coaching staff whatever, and he 227 00:11:13,318 --> 00:11:15,758 Speaker 2: can't find any allies. Because they see the same thing 228 00:11:15,758 --> 00:11:18,038 Speaker 2: and they know this is right, the right thing to do, 229 00:11:18,198 --> 00:11:20,838 Speaker 2: then it works a lot more easily. So there's all 230 00:11:20,838 --> 00:11:23,798 Speaker 2: these little microdynamics going on all the time. 231 00:11:23,878 --> 00:11:25,798 Speaker 3: It's just when you work with a group of people. 232 00:11:25,878 --> 00:11:30,958 Speaker 2: Tightler knit every day, highly charged, very rich and proud people. 233 00:11:31,038 --> 00:11:33,438 Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on there, man, And there's 234 00:11:33,478 --> 00:11:34,838 Speaker 2: a lot to deal with the regarding boonie. 235 00:11:34,918 --> 00:11:38,038 Speaker 1: Right now, Hey, Joe, you said something interesting. I want 236 00:11:38,038 --> 00:11:40,398 Speaker 1: to follow up there, and it's about sort of trusting 237 00:11:40,398 --> 00:11:42,558 Speaker 1: your eyes and what you see, right, it goes beyond 238 00:11:42,558 --> 00:11:45,518 Speaker 1: obviously whatever the numbers are. And sometimes it's the way 239 00:11:45,518 --> 00:11:48,718 Speaker 1: a guy handles a down period. Right. I think about 240 00:11:48,838 --> 00:11:52,078 Speaker 1: Anthony Volpi right now, the Yankee shortstop hitting under two hundred, 241 00:11:52,878 --> 00:11:54,438 Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of clamor in the New 242 00:11:54,518 --> 00:11:57,118 Speaker 1: York media about maybe he should go down. But I'll 243 00:11:57,118 --> 00:12:00,358 Speaker 1: tell you what I see Joe is he's never beaten 244 00:12:00,398 --> 00:12:02,878 Speaker 1: down mentally. This kid's always got a smile on his face. 245 00:12:03,118 --> 00:12:05,278 Speaker 1: You know, if he gets on base, you know, we 246 00:12:05,358 --> 00:12:07,438 Speaker 1: know how good of a base runner he is. He 247 00:12:07,478 --> 00:12:10,518 Speaker 1: doesn't let it affect his defense. Now, he's not a 248 00:12:10,598 --> 00:12:13,918 Speaker 1: premier defender, he's a good defender, but I haven't seen 249 00:12:13,958 --> 00:12:15,718 Speaker 1: it affecting his game at all. 250 00:12:15,798 --> 00:12:15,918 Speaker 3: Now. 251 00:12:15,918 --> 00:12:17,998 Speaker 1: I think there's things he has to do with his swing. 252 00:12:18,318 --> 00:12:20,198 Speaker 1: To me, he's got a lot of trouble with the 253 00:12:20,278 --> 00:12:23,278 Speaker 1: high fastball. He's got to level out his swing to 254 00:12:23,318 --> 00:12:25,118 Speaker 1: hit for a higher average. He's going to hit for 255 00:12:25,158 --> 00:12:27,638 Speaker 1: extra bases because when the ball's down he can crush it. 256 00:12:28,198 --> 00:12:30,998 Speaker 1: But I haven't seen this rookie shortstop for the Yankees 257 00:12:31,038 --> 00:12:33,958 Speaker 1: really crushed mentally. Where you need to kind of, you know, 258 00:12:34,078 --> 00:12:37,358 Speaker 1: take the pressure off him by sending him down. So 259 00:12:37,558 --> 00:12:40,118 Speaker 1: maybe that's what you're getting at Joe. As a manager, 260 00:12:40,158 --> 00:12:42,878 Speaker 1: I think a manager needs some leeway here to because 261 00:12:42,878 --> 00:12:45,278 Speaker 1: he should know his player is better than anybody else. 262 00:12:45,998 --> 00:12:48,998 Speaker 1: Kind of reading the body language, you know, the attitude 263 00:12:48,998 --> 00:12:51,518 Speaker 1: the player brings to the park every day. How important 264 00:12:51,558 --> 00:12:52,438 Speaker 1: is that for a manager? 265 00:12:52,958 --> 00:12:55,198 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, right, when a guy quits on himself, 266 00:12:55,238 --> 00:12:56,078 Speaker 2: then he gets sent down. 267 00:12:56,198 --> 00:12:57,478 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's number one for me. 268 00:12:57,518 --> 00:12:59,318 Speaker 2: If the guy showed he's not quit on himself, then 269 00:12:59,358 --> 00:13:01,358 Speaker 2: it really makes like you're talking. 270 00:13:01,118 --> 00:13:02,758 Speaker 3: About right now, what am I seeing? 271 00:13:02,758 --> 00:13:06,118 Speaker 2: What we got with the carversations like talk to your coaches, 272 00:13:06,158 --> 00:13:07,158 Speaker 2: how is he in the cage? 273 00:13:07,198 --> 00:13:09,078 Speaker 3: How's his ground balls? You know? 274 00:13:10,038 --> 00:13:13,718 Speaker 2: Then you talk to like the support staff in the clubhouse. 275 00:13:13,798 --> 00:13:16,798 Speaker 2: Is he is he coming undone a little bit? Where's 276 00:13:16,798 --> 00:13:19,118 Speaker 2: he at? I believe in all of that stuff, But 277 00:13:19,158 --> 00:13:22,718 Speaker 2: I also believe in vulpy situation. This is an organizational thought. 278 00:13:22,758 --> 00:13:24,398 Speaker 2: I mean, this was they made up their mind before 279 00:13:24,398 --> 00:13:27,718 Speaker 2: the season began. Even if this guy goes badly, if 280 00:13:27,758 --> 00:13:30,518 Speaker 2: he doesn't quit on himself, we're going to stay with him. 281 00:13:30,518 --> 00:13:31,158 Speaker 3: I believe. 282 00:13:31,518 --> 00:13:34,558 Speaker 2: I'd have to believe that was part of the conversation originally, 283 00:13:34,598 --> 00:13:37,358 Speaker 2: and apparently I see the same indicators when I get 284 00:13:37,398 --> 00:13:39,438 Speaker 2: to watch them a little bit on TV. He has 285 00:13:39,678 --> 00:13:42,318 Speaker 2: he has a nice way about him. I think they 286 00:13:42,358 --> 00:13:44,478 Speaker 2: see that. They They probably have Derek Jeter thoughts in 287 00:13:44,518 --> 00:13:47,518 Speaker 2: the back of their head with him somewhere, and that's sticking. 288 00:13:47,558 --> 00:13:50,078 Speaker 2: And that's what happens in an organization like the Yankees 289 00:13:50,078 --> 00:13:52,438 Speaker 2: that have something to draw, and so all these all 290 00:13:52,478 --> 00:13:55,758 Speaker 2: these again, there's all these little micro things conspiring to 291 00:13:55,798 --> 00:13:59,558 Speaker 2: make these decisions, and it's not as obvious as it 292 00:13:59,598 --> 00:14:01,958 Speaker 2: appears to be. The guys hitting well right now, he's 293 00:14:02,038 --> 00:14:05,038 Speaker 2: chasing breaking ball. I can't hit a high fat and 294 00:14:05,078 --> 00:14:06,758 Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you he could still get sent back, 295 00:14:06,758 --> 00:14:08,958 Speaker 2: I mean regardless right now, and they're trying try and 296 00:14:09,078 --> 00:14:11,278 Speaker 2: try not to. I've had it with the Cubs, I've 297 00:14:11,278 --> 00:14:13,078 Speaker 2: had it with the Rays, have had it with the 298 00:14:13,118 --> 00:14:16,038 Speaker 2: even Angels in the past. So it's still there's still 299 00:14:16,078 --> 00:14:18,118 Speaker 2: the threat of being set back. But they have He's 300 00:14:18,158 --> 00:14:20,838 Speaker 2: got the longest leash you could possibly have based on 301 00:14:21,118 --> 00:14:22,238 Speaker 2: how they've ordained. 302 00:14:21,958 --> 00:14:23,118 Speaker 3: Him and what they think he's going to be. 303 00:14:23,558 --> 00:14:26,358 Speaker 2: So he's gonna get a little bit more up patient approach. 304 00:14:27,038 --> 00:14:29,838 Speaker 1: Yeah, one last thought on Volpi. I think He's so 305 00:14:29,918 --> 00:14:33,558 Speaker 1: important to them because he gives them energy. This is 306 00:14:33,598 --> 00:14:36,278 Speaker 1: a low energy team. They win games by hitting the 307 00:14:36,278 --> 00:14:38,238 Speaker 1: ball out of the park. It's an older team. They 308 00:14:38,278 --> 00:14:41,918 Speaker 1: don't take extra basis on the base pass, you know, 309 00:14:42,038 --> 00:14:45,118 Speaker 1: first to third, first to home. They're not a great 310 00:14:45,278 --> 00:14:49,118 Speaker 1: situational hitting team. You know, it's walksing home runs, guys 311 00:14:49,158 --> 00:14:51,398 Speaker 1: mostly in their thirties. I'm let's say it's a bad thing. 312 00:14:51,398 --> 00:14:54,798 Speaker 1: It's the Yankeemo. It works for them, but you need 313 00:14:54,838 --> 00:14:56,878 Speaker 1: somebody in there to provide energy. And that's what I 314 00:14:56,878 --> 00:15:00,918 Speaker 1: think Vulpi does. And I think without him, boy, that's 315 00:15:00,958 --> 00:15:03,758 Speaker 1: even less of a dynamic team. Hey, Joe, we're gonna 316 00:15:03,758 --> 00:15:05,598 Speaker 1: take quick break. When we get back, we're going to 317 00:15:05,678 --> 00:15:09,998 Speaker 1: talk about one of your favorite subjects, team meetings. We'll 318 00:15:10,038 --> 00:15:22,878 Speaker 1: be right back after this, Okay, Joe, I brought up 319 00:15:22,918 --> 00:15:25,238 Speaker 1: the subject of team meetings. I bring it up because 320 00:15:25,398 --> 00:15:28,838 Speaker 1: another team that's been scuffling, the Seattle Mariners, had one. 321 00:15:28,918 --> 00:15:32,078 Speaker 1: It was last week at Yankee Stadium, second game of 322 00:15:32,118 --> 00:15:35,878 Speaker 1: a three game series. Scott Service, the Seattle manager, just 323 00:15:35,918 --> 00:15:38,798 Speaker 1: did not like the way his team was playing baseball. 324 00:15:39,478 --> 00:15:42,198 Speaker 1: It wasn't so much they were losing, it was low energy, 325 00:15:42,718 --> 00:15:46,558 Speaker 1: it was poor at bats. He just thought guys were 326 00:15:46,598 --> 00:15:48,398 Speaker 1: kind of worried about their own stat line more than 327 00:15:48,398 --> 00:15:51,238 Speaker 1: trying to win games. And what he told me was, listen, 328 00:15:51,318 --> 00:15:54,238 Speaker 1: I don't like meetings, but I had to call one. 329 00:15:54,318 --> 00:15:56,758 Speaker 1: This was after the second game in the in the 330 00:15:56,798 --> 00:16:00,318 Speaker 1: clubhouse visiting team at Yankee Stadium, and he essentially aired 331 00:16:00,358 --> 00:16:02,598 Speaker 1: out his team, and he said, listen, you guys know 332 00:16:02,638 --> 00:16:04,598 Speaker 1: the deal at this time of year, and we're heading 333 00:16:04,638 --> 00:16:07,678 Speaker 1: up to the trading deadline. If teams don't play well, 334 00:16:07,758 --> 00:16:10,798 Speaker 1: that's when guys get moved. So if you keep this up, 335 00:16:11,118 --> 00:16:13,478 Speaker 1: the names on top of these lockers here are going 336 00:16:13,518 --> 00:16:16,438 Speaker 1: to change, and it's up to you. And they came 337 00:16:16,438 --> 00:16:18,438 Speaker 1: back the next day. They scored ten runs in the 338 00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:21,238 Speaker 1: first three innings, blew out the Yankees. They played better since. 339 00:16:22,598 --> 00:16:25,998 Speaker 1: But it's interesting. I think what Scott Servis saw Joe 340 00:16:26,158 --> 00:16:29,078 Speaker 1: was he's got a team that doesn't really have the 341 00:16:29,118 --> 00:16:32,478 Speaker 1: guy in the clubhouse who you would call a team leader. Right, 342 00:16:32,558 --> 00:16:36,518 Speaker 1: their best players are Julio Rodriguez and Jared Kilnick. They're 343 00:16:36,518 --> 00:16:40,158 Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty three years old. Right, It's tough 344 00:16:40,198 --> 00:16:42,918 Speaker 1: to ask them. They now they set the tone as 345 00:16:42,918 --> 00:16:46,038 Speaker 1: far as how they play, but to be team leaders, No, 346 00:16:46,598 --> 00:16:48,518 Speaker 1: that's a little early to ask them to be that. 347 00:16:48,598 --> 00:16:50,598 Speaker 1: So the manager, I think in this case, has to 348 00:16:50,638 --> 00:16:54,118 Speaker 1: take on some more responsibility when it comes to quote 349 00:16:54,158 --> 00:16:58,038 Speaker 1: unquote leadership. So he calls a team beating the Yankee clubhouse, Yeah, 350 00:16:58,078 --> 00:17:01,838 Speaker 1: they respond to the next day listen. I know for you, Joe, 351 00:17:01,918 --> 00:17:04,798 Speaker 1: they're kind of few and far between, but I think 352 00:17:04,838 --> 00:17:06,398 Speaker 1: sometimes you do have to pull the trigger. 353 00:17:06,478 --> 00:17:09,958 Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean I was always kind of intentional 354 00:17:09,998 --> 00:17:12,518 Speaker 2: with my meetings. I would go, of course, the first 355 00:17:12,558 --> 00:17:15,198 Speaker 2: day of spring training for pitchers and catchers, and then 356 00:17:15,238 --> 00:17:18,478 Speaker 2: first day with the whole group, first day before the 357 00:17:18,478 --> 00:17:20,998 Speaker 2: first game of the season, So I'd have three meetings 358 00:17:21,118 --> 00:17:23,398 Speaker 2: that time of the year, and then All Star break 359 00:17:23,478 --> 00:17:27,358 Speaker 2: would be my next meeting. And what I eventually learned 360 00:17:27,358 --> 00:17:29,478 Speaker 2: to do with that is I had the meeting before 361 00:17:29,518 --> 00:17:31,558 Speaker 2: the All Star break and not post All Star break, 362 00:17:31,558 --> 00:17:34,318 Speaker 2: because I started out going post then I liked pre 363 00:17:34,558 --> 00:17:36,798 Speaker 2: just wanted to give them something to think about before 364 00:17:37,518 --> 00:17:41,238 Speaker 2: they went away for a little bit, and then before 365 00:17:41,278 --> 00:17:44,158 Speaker 2: the first playoff game. That was always that was my method, 366 00:17:44,278 --> 00:17:47,318 Speaker 2: and I felt pretty good about it and I liked it. 367 00:17:47,358 --> 00:17:50,358 Speaker 2: And in between that if things got a little bit sideways. 368 00:17:50,878 --> 00:17:53,078 Speaker 2: I know you just said about the players within the group, 369 00:17:53,118 --> 00:17:56,398 Speaker 2: and I get that, but I always liked that player 370 00:17:56,438 --> 00:18:01,078 Speaker 2: meetings first. I like players having meetings first, or individual meetings. Guys, 371 00:18:01,598 --> 00:18:05,038 Speaker 2: call guys in with me to your coaching staff, and 372 00:18:05,398 --> 00:18:09,078 Speaker 2: part of that also would be I liked by monthly 373 00:18:09,278 --> 00:18:12,718 Speaker 2: meetings among the coaching staff about the players individually. Get 374 00:18:12,758 --> 00:18:14,878 Speaker 2: in a room, like you're in Cincinnati road game. 375 00:18:14,918 --> 00:18:16,198 Speaker 3: I like to do it on the road. 376 00:18:16,278 --> 00:18:19,118 Speaker 2: Because I don't want to take away time away at home. 377 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:21,838 Speaker 2: So on the road, you sit down, you go every player, 378 00:18:21,958 --> 00:18:24,998 Speaker 2: pitchers in, every player, and you would break them down 379 00:18:25,038 --> 00:18:28,598 Speaker 2: briefly and what do we have to catch up on her? 380 00:18:28,638 --> 00:18:30,238 Speaker 2: What are we missing right with this guy? What's going 381 00:18:30,238 --> 00:18:32,078 Speaker 2: well with this guy? And then we would take it 382 00:18:32,118 --> 00:18:35,118 Speaker 2: to the player obviously, So I had a lot of 383 00:18:35,118 --> 00:18:39,638 Speaker 2: meetings actually, but they were different. The air out meeting 384 00:18:39,798 --> 00:18:43,158 Speaker 2: sometimes to me, is when you're frustrated, when you're upset, 385 00:18:43,358 --> 00:18:45,958 Speaker 2: when you're angry, and it's for you to get it 386 00:18:45,998 --> 00:18:48,358 Speaker 2: off your chest. I haven't been watching amarras enough to 387 00:18:48,398 --> 00:18:51,118 Speaker 2: know exactly what's been going on, so it's always cognizant 388 00:18:51,118 --> 00:18:53,478 Speaker 2: of that. I don't want to be about me. Ever, 389 00:18:53,558 --> 00:18:56,838 Speaker 2: It's not about me being upset or about me being embarrassed. 390 00:18:57,558 --> 00:18:58,878 Speaker 2: And he could never take it personally. 391 00:18:58,878 --> 00:19:00,878 Speaker 3: When your team plays bad, it you do, but you shouldn't. 392 00:19:01,638 --> 00:19:04,278 Speaker 2: So all these things I would try to term of 393 00:19:04,358 --> 00:19:07,438 Speaker 2: what's going on here before I got to the point next. 394 00:19:07,558 --> 00:19:08,718 Speaker 3: The final point with this, I. 395 00:19:08,638 --> 00:19:12,438 Speaker 2: Guess is that I had one really good one, I 396 00:19:12,478 --> 00:19:13,358 Speaker 2: guess in Kansas City. 397 00:19:13,358 --> 00:19:15,358 Speaker 3: And I've talked about this with the Rais. 398 00:19:15,398 --> 00:19:18,398 Speaker 2: In two thousand and eight, we were sending and we're playing, 399 00:19:18,598 --> 00:19:21,158 Speaker 2: We're good, We're I think we're in first place, we're 400 00:19:21,198 --> 00:19:24,438 Speaker 2: close to it in case right after the All Star break. 401 00:19:25,078 --> 00:19:28,358 Speaker 2: I believe that's accurate. And we're playing a sloppy game, 402 00:19:28,438 --> 00:19:31,358 Speaker 2: I mean a sloppy game, and that Carl Crawford pulls 403 00:19:31,438 --> 00:19:33,278 Speaker 2: us out of it with a double late and we win. 404 00:19:33,598 --> 00:19:36,318 Speaker 2: A couple guys that right hard first base cutoff guys 405 00:19:36,358 --> 00:19:39,318 Speaker 2: are being missed. Game over, we went on the road, 406 00:19:39,438 --> 00:19:40,678 Speaker 2: two important factors for me. 407 00:19:40,758 --> 00:19:42,078 Speaker 3: Winning and being on the road. 408 00:19:42,278 --> 00:19:45,238 Speaker 2: Davy Martinez, get them in that locker room as quickly. 409 00:19:44,998 --> 00:19:45,518 Speaker 3: As you can. 410 00:19:45,878 --> 00:19:48,078 Speaker 2: I could hold it in anymore, and I just went 411 00:19:48,118 --> 00:19:49,838 Speaker 2: inside and it just went off. I mean like I'm 412 00:19:49,878 --> 00:19:51,998 Speaker 2: screaming to the point where you're crying, like I don't 413 00:19:51,998 --> 00:19:55,158 Speaker 2: know three minutes. I just they needed to know that 414 00:19:55,278 --> 00:19:58,518 Speaker 2: this doesn't work. We haven't done anything as an organization 415 00:19:58,598 --> 00:20:00,638 Speaker 2: and we're going to be in first place in August 416 00:20:00,678 --> 00:20:02,398 Speaker 2: and you're going to get like shut it down or 417 00:20:02,438 --> 00:20:05,238 Speaker 2: just throw your gloves out there. That's what got me angry, 418 00:20:05,558 --> 00:20:08,358 Speaker 2: that lack of effort, lack of caring, lack of whatever 419 00:20:10,078 --> 00:20:12,838 Speaker 2: that I thought I saw at that particular moment. It's 420 00:20:12,838 --> 00:20:16,838 Speaker 2: hard to denigrate a group for you're not hustling, and 421 00:20:16,918 --> 00:20:19,478 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have even said you care that you don't care. 422 00:20:19,558 --> 00:20:22,038 Speaker 2: They of course they care, but you got to we 423 00:20:22,158 --> 00:20:23,238 Speaker 2: got to get after a little. 424 00:20:23,078 --> 00:20:25,398 Speaker 3: Bit more differently because we have never done anything. 425 00:20:25,718 --> 00:20:29,518 Speaker 2: So that was the crux of the meeting in Kansas 426 00:20:29,558 --> 00:20:32,198 Speaker 2: City was to really point out, listen, boys, we're gonna 427 00:20:32,238 --> 00:20:35,478 Speaker 2: blow something really uh special right here if we don't 428 00:20:35,478 --> 00:20:37,638 Speaker 2: turn our attitudes around our approach. 429 00:20:37,278 --> 00:20:39,718 Speaker 3: Mentally to the day. So that was it. That was 430 00:20:39,758 --> 00:20:40,918 Speaker 3: my one big meeting. 431 00:20:40,958 --> 00:20:43,438 Speaker 2: And I've been asked to have meetings by different gms 432 00:20:43,958 --> 00:20:46,518 Speaker 2: and and and when I don't, I know it frustrates them, 433 00:20:46,558 --> 00:20:49,838 Speaker 2: but it's the venture anger. Uh, there's better ways to 434 00:20:49,878 --> 00:20:52,238 Speaker 2: do it. Again, if you really want to get upset 435 00:20:52,278 --> 00:20:55,438 Speaker 2: with your group, they're going good, they're not going bad, 436 00:20:55,518 --> 00:20:57,158 Speaker 2: and they're on the road, they're not in their home 437 00:20:57,198 --> 00:20:58,038 Speaker 2: clubhouse to meet. 438 00:20:58,238 --> 00:20:58,958 Speaker 3: That's optimal. 439 00:20:59,398 --> 00:21:01,718 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see some similarities there. You had a very 440 00:21:01,758 --> 00:21:04,198 Speaker 1: young team back then, that Oaight team, and maybe they 441 00:21:04,238 --> 00:21:06,958 Speaker 1: needed it more than say an older team. 442 00:21:06,998 --> 00:21:10,158 Speaker 3: What do you think Well also had personally on that team. 443 00:21:10,198 --> 00:21:12,958 Speaker 2: He also had Cliff Floyd, who was an outstanding leader 444 00:21:13,478 --> 00:21:17,318 Speaker 2: on that team, Percy Cliff and Eric Kinski Ski was 445 00:21:17,358 --> 00:21:19,798 Speaker 2: doing this thing too, So we had a nice balance. 446 00:21:19,838 --> 00:21:21,998 Speaker 2: And then you have Longori, I have opt in, you 447 00:21:22,118 --> 00:21:26,638 Speaker 2: have CC was still relatively young at that point. The 448 00:21:27,078 --> 00:21:31,798 Speaker 2: Navarro was our starting catcher. Some pitchers young. David Price Shields, 449 00:21:31,798 --> 00:21:33,598 Speaker 2: he wasn't you know, long in the tooth by any means. 450 00:21:33,598 --> 00:21:36,398 Speaker 2: So there was a lot of youth there, but just 451 00:21:36,478 --> 00:21:38,718 Speaker 2: a nice That's why it's nice to you know, salt 452 00:21:38,718 --> 00:21:42,318 Speaker 2: and pepper, the whole thing where you do get direction 453 00:21:42,998 --> 00:21:44,118 Speaker 2: from the from the clubhouse. 454 00:21:44,118 --> 00:21:45,518 Speaker 3: And I'm telling you it's that important. 455 00:21:46,558 --> 00:21:49,118 Speaker 2: The guys, the players will peers will listen to the 456 00:21:49,198 --> 00:21:54,358 Speaker 2: peers more intently and again there's not this choosing of 457 00:21:54,558 --> 00:21:58,278 Speaker 2: size or finding allies to support my cause. You're not 458 00:21:58,318 --> 00:22:01,598 Speaker 2: going to find allies within the clubhouse if it's a 459 00:22:01,678 --> 00:22:06,038 Speaker 2: meeting among the players only. But if you put managers 460 00:22:06,118 --> 00:22:10,078 Speaker 2: coaches against players sometimes and the players somebody has cash here, 461 00:22:10,118 --> 00:22:13,918 Speaker 2: they're going to create that valley between all of this. 462 00:22:14,038 --> 00:22:16,958 Speaker 2: So again, I'm just trying to describe all this as 463 00:22:17,038 --> 00:22:19,918 Speaker 2: completely as I can. There's a lot of micro stuff 464 00:22:19,958 --> 00:22:22,558 Speaker 2: goes into this, and it's got to be well thought out. 465 00:22:22,598 --> 00:22:24,038 Speaker 2: You got to read the room. You got to read 466 00:22:24,078 --> 00:22:26,198 Speaker 2: your guys. You got to know the beat to heartbeat. 467 00:22:26,638 --> 00:22:29,078 Speaker 2: You got to know what you can say and cannot 468 00:22:29,118 --> 00:22:32,838 Speaker 2: say to whom and how honestly without compassion, an equal cruelty. 469 00:22:32,878 --> 00:22:36,958 Speaker 2: And sometimes you just got to know who handles well 470 00:22:36,998 --> 00:22:40,198 Speaker 2: and who does not. And sometimes it's a blunt object 471 00:22:40,198 --> 00:22:41,718 Speaker 2: and sometimes it's a velvet hammer. 472 00:22:41,958 --> 00:22:43,118 Speaker 3: All this stuff is important. 473 00:22:43,638 --> 00:22:47,478 Speaker 1: Yeah, And one more example of managers handling scuffling stars. 474 00:22:47,758 --> 00:22:50,358 Speaker 1: Jose Abray with the Astros has had a tough season 475 00:22:50,398 --> 00:22:52,798 Speaker 1: this year, and I love what Dusty Baker did last week. 476 00:22:53,838 --> 00:22:55,638 Speaker 1: He gave him a day off the day before and 477 00:22:55,718 --> 00:22:58,638 Speaker 1: off day, and then gave him a day off on 478 00:22:58,678 --> 00:23:00,398 Speaker 1: the other side of the off day, so he gave 479 00:23:00,478 --> 00:23:03,358 Speaker 1: him three days, which, as you know, Joe, it's kind 480 00:23:03,398 --> 00:23:06,198 Speaker 1: of like a mini All Star break. It's a mental 481 00:23:06,238 --> 00:23:09,878 Speaker 1: break as much as anything. He had dropped a Brave 482 00:23:09,958 --> 00:23:12,118 Speaker 1: in the lineup to fifth or sixth, and when he 483 00:23:12,118 --> 00:23:15,798 Speaker 1: brought him back last weekend after his three day break, 484 00:23:15,878 --> 00:23:19,398 Speaker 1: put him back in the cleanup spot. Coincidentally or not, 485 00:23:19,518 --> 00:23:22,078 Speaker 1: A Brave responded with four hits and two games, including 486 00:23:22,078 --> 00:23:24,278 Speaker 1: a home run. So I love the way that Dusty 487 00:23:24,318 --> 00:23:27,358 Speaker 1: Baker took advantage of the off day. And Joe, you 488 00:23:27,438 --> 00:23:29,798 Speaker 1: know what even one day can do for a player, 489 00:23:29,798 --> 00:23:32,478 Speaker 1: but especially three days to get the head clear. Wow. 490 00:23:32,918 --> 00:23:36,318 Speaker 2: Well that was Carl Crawford. C c Carl played every day. 491 00:23:36,318 --> 00:23:38,758 Speaker 2: Carl played hard. So I would look for that, exactly 492 00:23:38,798 --> 00:23:40,758 Speaker 2: what you're talking about. And I said, Ceci, we're gonna 493 00:23:40,758 --> 00:23:44,038 Speaker 2: do that. We're gonna get you two days off. We're 494 00:23:44,078 --> 00:23:45,998 Speaker 2: going to pick the day you're gonna get the day 495 00:23:45,998 --> 00:23:48,598 Speaker 2: off before the day off or the day off after 496 00:23:48,638 --> 00:23:51,718 Speaker 2: the day off. And sometimes I have done the three 497 00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:54,078 Speaker 2: spot too, but I would pick and choose a day 498 00:23:54,118 --> 00:23:56,358 Speaker 2: before a day after based on the other team's pitcher. 499 00:23:57,198 --> 00:23:58,758 Speaker 2: Like it was a tough left hand of the day after. 500 00:23:58,838 --> 00:24:00,478 Speaker 2: Then give him the second day of the day after, 501 00:24:00,558 --> 00:24:02,958 Speaker 2: not the day before, So you try to match it 502 00:24:03,038 --> 00:24:05,438 Speaker 2: up as well as you possible. We can take advantage 503 00:24:05,478 --> 00:24:07,678 Speaker 2: of the schedule. You look for rest, but within the 504 00:24:07,718 --> 00:24:11,638 Speaker 2: schedule based on matchups and stuff. That's I always wanted 505 00:24:11,678 --> 00:24:13,918 Speaker 2: a ten day planner in advance. I wanted ten days 506 00:24:13,958 --> 00:24:15,958 Speaker 2: from the that's what I want from the analytical staff. 507 00:24:15,998 --> 00:24:17,798 Speaker 2: Give me ten days in advance. Whose picture of the 508 00:24:17,798 --> 00:24:20,238 Speaker 2: other team and how do our dudes match up and 509 00:24:21,318 --> 00:24:23,198 Speaker 2: among the people that need a rest, when would be 510 00:24:23,238 --> 00:24:26,038 Speaker 2: the optimal moment in your estimation to give. 511 00:24:25,918 --> 00:24:26,438 Speaker 3: Him that rest? 512 00:24:26,438 --> 00:24:27,678 Speaker 2: And then I would try to match it up with 513 00:24:27,678 --> 00:24:30,838 Speaker 2: what I was thinking. So that to me is analytically 514 00:24:30,918 --> 00:24:34,158 Speaker 2: well designed. And that's a really benefit of that where 515 00:24:34,198 --> 00:24:37,078 Speaker 2: the guys can give you that kind of information so 516 00:24:37,158 --> 00:24:40,318 Speaker 2: far in advance that you can make a better informed decisions. 517 00:24:40,318 --> 00:24:43,918 Speaker 2: So all that is part of making your lineup rest. 518 00:24:43,998 --> 00:24:45,918 Speaker 2: And I'm a big advocate of breast as you know. 519 00:24:46,558 --> 00:24:49,838 Speaker 2: And it's perfect because I saw a braiw but that 520 00:24:49,958 --> 00:24:50,918 Speaker 2: was in La that he was. 521 00:24:50,918 --> 00:24:51,918 Speaker 3: Playing right after the break. 522 00:24:51,958 --> 00:24:54,198 Speaker 2: I think, right, that's right, And he looked he looked 523 00:24:54,278 --> 00:24:55,438 Speaker 2: very frisky, no question. 524 00:24:55,638 --> 00:24:58,678 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we've got to talk about talk about 525 00:24:58,718 --> 00:25:02,118 Speaker 1: managers dealing with disappointments. The biggest disappointment of this twenty 526 00:25:02,158 --> 00:25:04,798 Speaker 1: twenty three season is the New York Mets. You know, 527 00:25:04,838 --> 00:25:07,158 Speaker 1: what is a three hundred and sixty million dollars payroll, 528 00:25:07,398 --> 00:25:10,078 Speaker 1: eight games under five hundred. They have not won a 529 00:25:10,158 --> 00:25:14,478 Speaker 1: series the entire month, and it's really interesting to watch 530 00:25:14,478 --> 00:25:16,838 Speaker 1: the team, almost like in quicksand the more they try, 531 00:25:16,878 --> 00:25:19,398 Speaker 1: the worse off it gets. And the way the manager 532 00:25:19,558 --> 00:25:21,678 Speaker 1: Buck Showalter handles it. Now, he took a lot of 533 00:25:21,798 --> 00:25:25,318 Speaker 1: grief for the game on Sunday against Philadelphia, where he 534 00:25:25,358 --> 00:25:27,918 Speaker 1: lost the lead in the eighth inning without using his 535 00:25:27,998 --> 00:25:31,438 Speaker 1: best pitchers. He had David robertson his closer, who had 536 00:25:31,478 --> 00:25:35,358 Speaker 1: thrown just thirteen pitches the day before, had pitched only 537 00:25:35,398 --> 00:25:38,878 Speaker 1: twice in the previous eleven days, and Buck was saving 538 00:25:38,958 --> 00:25:40,798 Speaker 1: him for the ninth inning. Of course, there never was 539 00:25:40,838 --> 00:25:43,718 Speaker 1: a ninth inning because Philadelphia rallied in the eighth against 540 00:25:43,958 --> 00:25:46,758 Speaker 1: some of the lower pieces or lesser pieces, and Bucks bullpen. 541 00:25:47,478 --> 00:25:49,238 Speaker 1: That's the way it's gone for the New York Mets, 542 00:25:50,758 --> 00:25:52,518 Speaker 1: you know. And then you have a game, give the 543 00:25:52,518 --> 00:25:54,998 Speaker 1: ball to Justin Verlander. The next game at home and 544 00:25:55,038 --> 00:25:59,358 Speaker 1: you lose to Milwaukee two to one. Bullpen Drew Smith 545 00:25:59,398 --> 00:26:02,038 Speaker 1: comes in gives up a home run after he was suspended, 546 00:26:02,038 --> 00:26:04,318 Speaker 1: and by the way, Bucks bullpen was short game on 547 00:26:04,398 --> 00:26:07,758 Speaker 1: Sunday because Drew Smith was serving his ten year suspension 548 00:26:08,238 --> 00:26:11,278 Speaker 1: for using too much sticky stuff on his hand. You know, 549 00:26:11,358 --> 00:26:13,478 Speaker 1: my question, Joe, for you is not so much about 550 00:26:13,518 --> 00:26:17,638 Speaker 1: individual moves, but sometimes as a manager, did you take 551 00:26:17,878 --> 00:26:21,598 Speaker 1: on some of the heat for your players? In other words, 552 00:26:21,638 --> 00:26:24,158 Speaker 1: it's almost like a diversion when guys are struggling to 553 00:26:24,318 --> 00:26:27,998 Speaker 1: try and hard the results are not good, that some 554 00:26:28,078 --> 00:26:29,958 Speaker 1: of the stories coming out of the team would come 555 00:26:29,958 --> 00:26:33,998 Speaker 1: out of the manager's office rather than falling on the players. 556 00:26:34,038 --> 00:26:37,478 Speaker 1: Any any any way, that that was across your raider 557 00:26:37,518 --> 00:26:38,998 Speaker 1: when you had teams that were scuffling. 558 00:26:39,718 --> 00:26:43,238 Speaker 2: First order of business, first job of the managers, protect 559 00:26:43,238 --> 00:26:43,758 Speaker 2: your brood. 560 00:26:44,358 --> 00:26:45,118 Speaker 3: That's what you do. 561 00:26:45,798 --> 00:26:48,318 Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna extend in front of everybody. 562 00:26:48,358 --> 00:26:51,718 Speaker 2: You're gonna explain things off to take the heat off 563 00:26:51,718 --> 00:26:54,598 Speaker 2: of your players. You're always going to do that, and 564 00:26:54,678 --> 00:26:56,838 Speaker 2: you're going to accept responsibility and. 565 00:26:56,798 --> 00:26:58,358 Speaker 3: You are going to take the heat that's what you're 566 00:26:58,398 --> 00:26:58,798 Speaker 3: there for. 567 00:26:59,238 --> 00:27:01,118 Speaker 2: But I always stopped. My first thing to do is 568 00:27:01,158 --> 00:27:03,278 Speaker 2: to protect the brood. It's no different than your family, 569 00:27:03,998 --> 00:27:08,198 Speaker 2: texture group A, B C D number one, number two, three, 570 00:27:08,238 --> 00:27:10,318 Speaker 2: four five, that's what that's what the manager does. And 571 00:27:10,358 --> 00:27:12,798 Speaker 2: I don't know that that's spoken about enough. And I 572 00:27:12,878 --> 00:27:15,158 Speaker 2: just saw a little clip with Buck and that's exactly 573 00:27:15,158 --> 00:27:17,238 Speaker 2: what he was doing. I know was that game in 574 00:27:17,318 --> 00:27:20,958 Speaker 2: question right there, but the question posed to him, what 575 00:27:21,038 --> 00:27:24,438 Speaker 2: he did well, like he always does, is he's protecting 576 00:27:24,438 --> 00:27:26,878 Speaker 2: his group. And the thing I love about what Buck's 577 00:27:26,878 --> 00:27:30,838 Speaker 2: doing right now, how consistent he's remained in his demeanor 578 00:27:30,838 --> 00:27:33,638 Speaker 2: and his response. Buck is going to think it all 579 00:27:33,678 --> 00:27:35,398 Speaker 2: the way through. He's not going to be over emotional, 580 00:27:36,158 --> 00:27:37,838 Speaker 2: so don't expect him to be overemotional. 581 00:27:37,958 --> 00:27:38,678 Speaker 3: That's not who he is. 582 00:27:39,638 --> 00:27:43,238 Speaker 2: He's very consistent in his approaching. To me, that equals discipline. 583 00:27:43,758 --> 00:27:46,878 Speaker 2: And I love that the Mets aren't playing well because 584 00:27:47,038 --> 00:27:51,638 Speaker 2: they lost. They lose their closer during the WBC A 585 00:27:51,718 --> 00:27:55,158 Speaker 2: number one, and they're not playing well because there's got 586 00:27:55,158 --> 00:27:57,518 Speaker 2: any poor performance and that's not his fault. 587 00:27:57,838 --> 00:27:59,918 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this, Joe. I think they're at 588 00:27:59,918 --> 00:28:02,598 Speaker 1: the point of their season, especially now with this balance 589 00:28:02,638 --> 00:28:05,838 Speaker 1: schedule where you don't play many games against the teams 590 00:28:05,838 --> 00:28:09,358 Speaker 1: in your division like Philadelphia, you have fewer head to heads, Right, 591 00:28:09,558 --> 00:28:13,758 Speaker 1: you're this far underwater. Yeah, every game to me becomes 592 00:28:13,838 --> 00:28:16,358 Speaker 1: more and more urgent at this time of year, no denying. 593 00:28:16,518 --> 00:28:19,638 Speaker 1: I mean there's some points you got to start trying 594 00:28:19,678 --> 00:28:22,638 Speaker 1: to win the game outside of what your normal path 595 00:28:22,678 --> 00:28:25,278 Speaker 1: to victory is, because I don't want to say the 596 00:28:25,278 --> 00:28:28,198 Speaker 1: Mets are running out of time, but maybe running out 597 00:28:28,198 --> 00:28:28,958 Speaker 1: of opportunities. 598 00:28:29,278 --> 00:28:32,038 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, regarding that situation without Robertson, who 599 00:28:32,118 --> 00:28:33,678 Speaker 2: is the batting order for the Phillies in the eighth? 600 00:28:33,678 --> 00:28:34,758 Speaker 3: I would just be curious. 601 00:28:35,038 --> 00:28:36,758 Speaker 2: Did he have him lined up for the ninth because 602 00:28:36,798 --> 00:28:38,518 Speaker 2: there was a stronger batting order coming up in the 603 00:28:38,598 --> 00:28:40,758 Speaker 2: night than he thought this guy could handle the eighth. 604 00:28:41,118 --> 00:28:44,078 Speaker 2: That's one thing. Number two, the unavailability of pitchers always, 605 00:28:44,078 --> 00:28:47,478 Speaker 2: to me is intriguing based on you know, the the 606 00:28:47,678 --> 00:28:50,478 Speaker 2: edicts from upstairs who's available and who's not available that night. 607 00:28:50,718 --> 00:28:52,318 Speaker 2: And he's not going to again, he's going to protect 608 00:28:52,358 --> 00:28:54,958 Speaker 2: the front office or the analytical department too, So I 609 00:28:54,958 --> 00:28:56,838 Speaker 2: don't know. I mean he may have made choices there 610 00:28:56,918 --> 00:28:59,918 Speaker 2: based on what he was told he was able to 611 00:28:59,998 --> 00:29:02,078 Speaker 2: use and not able to use that day. See, these 612 00:29:02,078 --> 00:29:05,158 Speaker 2: are the things that you know, fans and writers don't 613 00:29:05,238 --> 00:29:07,238 Speaker 2: know because we're not going to spill the beans on that. 614 00:29:07,318 --> 00:29:08,038 Speaker 3: You're not going to do that. 615 00:29:08,078 --> 00:29:10,998 Speaker 2: You're just going to do the organization or whatever, and 616 00:29:11,038 --> 00:29:15,998 Speaker 2: you're going to not use robertson maybe like this situation 617 00:29:16,078 --> 00:29:18,598 Speaker 2: in eighth because two three fourths coming up in the 618 00:29:18,678 --> 00:29:20,038 Speaker 2: ninth potentially something like that. 619 00:29:20,118 --> 00:29:20,838 Speaker 3: I don't know. 620 00:29:21,198 --> 00:29:23,838 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did go with the eighth inning. You did 621 00:29:23,878 --> 00:29:26,878 Speaker 1: have Schwarber, Turner, Harper coming up, so they big bets 622 00:29:26,878 --> 00:29:29,318 Speaker 1: were coming up to the eighth. You make a good point, though, Joe, 623 00:29:29,518 --> 00:29:31,918 Speaker 1: and I saw this in the Verlander loss. Well, he 624 00:29:31,918 --> 00:29:34,918 Speaker 1: didn't get the loss. Drew Smith got the loss. You know, 625 00:29:34,998 --> 00:29:38,278 Speaker 1: Verlander came out after five innings with one hundred pitches, right, 626 00:29:38,438 --> 00:29:41,558 Speaker 1: and I know there's probably some fans thinking, well, leave 627 00:29:41,598 --> 00:29:43,718 Speaker 1: him in. He's gone up to one hundred and seventeen 628 00:29:43,758 --> 00:29:46,238 Speaker 1: this year. Why is he coming out after five? But 629 00:29:46,318 --> 00:29:48,998 Speaker 1: if you watch that game, and this is interesting with 630 00:29:49,038 --> 00:29:52,118 Speaker 1: the pitch timer, Joe, the Mets were going down one, two, 631 00:29:52,158 --> 00:29:56,398 Speaker 1: three against Colin Ray and Verlander had very little time 632 00:29:56,478 --> 00:29:58,878 Speaker 1: before he was literally back on the mound. Sure, so 633 00:29:58,918 --> 00:30:01,838 Speaker 1: you had that, you had the Brewers extending at bets, 634 00:30:02,038 --> 00:30:05,038 Speaker 1: you had Verlander covering first base a couple of times, 635 00:30:05,358 --> 00:30:07,838 Speaker 1: and then you had Verlander is lined up to make 636 00:30:07,838 --> 00:30:10,878 Speaker 1: his next start on the fifth day. Now, normal rest 637 00:30:10,878 --> 00:30:14,158 Speaker 1: in today's game is six so that's almost short. Rest 638 00:30:14,278 --> 00:30:16,958 Speaker 1: is only four days of rest, So Buck has to 639 00:30:16,998 --> 00:30:19,358 Speaker 1: think about the next time Verlander is going to get 640 00:30:19,398 --> 00:30:22,558 Speaker 1: the ball. So those are so many things that came 641 00:30:22,558 --> 00:30:24,638 Speaker 1: into play rather than just looking at this game at 642 00:30:24,638 --> 00:30:27,638 Speaker 1: a vacuum and saying, well, he went one to seventeen earlier, 643 00:30:27,678 --> 00:30:30,238 Speaker 1: he can go one to seventeen. Leave him in Well, 644 00:30:30,438 --> 00:30:33,398 Speaker 1: if you watch the game, the pitch timer, the length 645 00:30:33,438 --> 00:30:35,958 Speaker 1: of the abats, the next time he's going out onto 646 00:30:35,998 --> 00:30:38,158 Speaker 1: the mound. Man, there were a lot of factors that 647 00:30:38,238 --> 00:30:40,718 Speaker 1: factored in there, including Verlander's age. And he said it 648 00:30:40,798 --> 00:30:44,398 Speaker 1: himself that the time in between and some of these 649 00:30:44,518 --> 00:30:47,278 Speaker 1: fast innings now under the pitch timer is something that 650 00:30:47,358 --> 00:30:50,398 Speaker 1: all pitchers, but especially older ones, are getting used to. 651 00:30:50,998 --> 00:30:54,158 Speaker 2: No, the interconnectivity of the game, that's what you're just describing. 652 00:30:54,198 --> 00:30:57,198 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and that if you as a manager 653 00:30:57,358 --> 00:31:00,318 Speaker 2: after a game, sit and give all those different thoughts 654 00:31:00,438 --> 00:31:02,678 Speaker 2: or reasons. It sounds like you're making excuses where you've 655 00:31:02,718 --> 00:31:04,998 Speaker 2: been asked a question and then you want to really 656 00:31:05,198 --> 00:31:07,118 Speaker 2: like if you want to get really involved, he I'm 657 00:31:07,118 --> 00:31:08,438 Speaker 2: going to tell you everything I was thinking about in 658 00:31:08,478 --> 00:31:10,598 Speaker 2: that moment, but it never comes across. Well, so you 659 00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:14,878 Speaker 2: do the cliff notes. The game is interconnected nightly, you're 660 00:31:14,878 --> 00:31:17,918 Speaker 2: making decisions tonight based on tomorrow because you have to. 661 00:31:18,078 --> 00:31:18,958 Speaker 3: You have to space this. 662 00:31:18,958 --> 00:31:20,718 Speaker 2: Out, and that's why you have to have a deep 663 00:31:20,758 --> 00:31:26,678 Speaker 2: roster that other people that are able to perform, pick 664 00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:29,198 Speaker 2: other people up when people need rest, and that's how 665 00:31:29,198 --> 00:31:32,238 Speaker 2: you start winning games or create longer winning streaks when 666 00:31:32,238 --> 00:31:35,038 Speaker 2: you have that kind of interconnected depth, and if you 667 00:31:35,038 --> 00:31:38,758 Speaker 2: don't have it, it's almost impossible to do so again as. 668 00:31:38,638 --> 00:31:40,438 Speaker 3: A manager, I'm not going to give you all that 669 00:31:40,518 --> 00:31:42,438 Speaker 3: only because it sounds like I'm making excuses. 670 00:31:42,678 --> 00:31:44,758 Speaker 2: But those are all the different thoughts that go into 671 00:31:44,758 --> 00:31:45,558 Speaker 2: making decisions. 672 00:31:45,958 --> 00:31:49,198 Speaker 1: Well, said Joe, You've been there before and you've handled 673 00:31:49,198 --> 00:31:52,758 Speaker 1: it well, so those words certainly resonate. Hey, we're going 674 00:31:52,798 --> 00:31:55,318 Speaker 1: to take a quick break. When we come back. I 675 00:31:55,318 --> 00:31:59,438 Speaker 1: said I needed some help. Some recommendations music recommendations from Joe. 676 00:31:59,478 --> 00:32:12,518 Speaker 1: We'll get into that next Welcome back to the Book 677 00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:14,798 Speaker 1: of Joe podcast. By the way, Joe, we're talking about 678 00:32:14,798 --> 00:32:18,838 Speaker 1: players scuffling, and we've talked about this before, but incredibly 679 00:32:18,878 --> 00:32:23,678 Speaker 1: is still happening. Mike Trout just cannot get going. His 680 00:32:23,838 --> 00:32:27,798 Speaker 1: lugging percentages down to four eighty. That's good for a 681 00:32:27,878 --> 00:32:30,878 Speaker 1: lot of players, but it's a career low for him. 682 00:32:31,318 --> 00:32:34,798 Speaker 1: After hitting two hundred in May against fastballs, He's hitting 683 00:32:34,798 --> 00:32:38,878 Speaker 1: two hundred again against fastballs in June and seeing more 684 00:32:38,918 --> 00:32:42,118 Speaker 1: fastballs than anybody but Miles Straw. I don't know whether 685 00:32:42,118 --> 00:32:44,318 Speaker 1: you've got a chance to watch much of Mike lately, 686 00:32:45,718 --> 00:32:48,638 Speaker 1: but man, Joe, I thought by now he figured something out. 687 00:32:48,678 --> 00:32:51,158 Speaker 1: And I keep waiting for that surge. You know it's coming, 688 00:32:52,838 --> 00:32:55,758 Speaker 1: but it hasn't happened yet. It's been very strange to see. 689 00:32:55,798 --> 00:32:56,718 Speaker 1: I'm sure it is for you. 690 00:32:57,238 --> 00:32:58,478 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm watching it. 691 00:32:58,558 --> 00:33:00,438 Speaker 2: And I saw him hit a home right against Cranky 692 00:33:00,718 --> 00:33:03,438 Speaker 2: ninety one down and in right into the slot of 693 00:33:03,478 --> 00:33:03,878 Speaker 2: his swing. 694 00:33:05,158 --> 00:33:06,598 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he is. 695 00:33:06,838 --> 00:33:09,958 Speaker 2: He's kind of tunneled or channeled into where the swing 696 00:33:10,038 --> 00:33:10,998 Speaker 2: path is right now. 697 00:33:11,518 --> 00:33:12,078 Speaker 3: I'm watching. 698 00:33:12,438 --> 00:33:14,358 Speaker 2: I don't watch I have seen them a lot, but 699 00:33:14,358 --> 00:33:17,758 Speaker 2: I've seen them a bit, and he will make the adjustment. 700 00:33:17,798 --> 00:33:18,478 Speaker 3: I agree with that. 701 00:33:19,518 --> 00:33:23,558 Speaker 2: But that's and you've talked about Stanton, and you've talked about. 702 00:33:23,398 --> 00:33:24,118 Speaker 3: There's other guys. 703 00:33:24,158 --> 00:33:27,358 Speaker 2: I mean, I know that the last year or two 704 00:33:27,398 --> 00:33:31,598 Speaker 2: there whatever, or the last several years when we're beating 705 00:33:31,638 --> 00:33:34,518 Speaker 2: somebody with the fastball, and I mean, just it could 706 00:33:34,518 --> 00:33:37,358 Speaker 2: be like but it's perceived to be kind of pedestrian 707 00:33:37,398 --> 00:33:39,998 Speaker 2: fastball maybe ninety three and ninety four, But nevertheless, it's 708 00:33:40,358 --> 00:33:45,438 Speaker 2: the straight ball, backspin and force force seemers. It gets 709 00:33:45,438 --> 00:33:47,118 Speaker 2: on here. If there's that little bit of right to 710 00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:49,038 Speaker 2: it at all, it plays up. It plays up even 711 00:33:49,078 --> 00:33:51,918 Speaker 2: to a bigger number than that. Why do something differently, 712 00:33:52,358 --> 00:33:56,958 Speaker 2: I think because this is another analytical component. When you 713 00:33:56,998 --> 00:34:01,118 Speaker 2: have this kind of data to support results, you'll stay 714 00:34:01,158 --> 00:34:02,798 Speaker 2: with it. So I mean, if you're a pitching you're 715 00:34:02,798 --> 00:34:04,958 Speaker 2: gonna say I'm not gonna throw a three fastballs in 716 00:34:04,958 --> 00:34:05,198 Speaker 2: a row. 717 00:34:05,198 --> 00:34:06,238 Speaker 3: There's no way to do that. 718 00:34:06,638 --> 00:34:08,918 Speaker 2: But no, before the game, somebody sits you down and says, listen, 719 00:34:09,718 --> 00:34:11,638 Speaker 2: do this. If you're going to go break the ball, 720 00:34:11,718 --> 00:34:14,038 Speaker 2: make sure it's a strike ball, make sure it's a 721 00:34:14,078 --> 00:34:16,558 Speaker 2: chase pitch, but do not go ball, strike, break the 722 00:34:16,598 --> 00:34:19,438 Speaker 2: ball as an example, and we're going to keep doing 723 00:34:19,478 --> 00:34:24,998 Speaker 2: this until he shows otherwise, so that that is data driven. 724 00:34:25,398 --> 00:34:27,118 Speaker 2: Back in the day, you had an advanced scout. He'd 725 00:34:27,118 --> 00:34:29,718 Speaker 2: sit in the stands right and he would watch just 726 00:34:29,878 --> 00:34:32,158 Speaker 2: that team. He would scout that team that you're going 727 00:34:32,198 --> 00:34:34,758 Speaker 2: to play next and send reports based on that. So 728 00:34:34,878 --> 00:34:38,078 Speaker 2: the pitchers that the age would be playing would be 729 00:34:38,118 --> 00:34:41,318 Speaker 2: reported upon, and how we pitched, and the pitchers then 730 00:34:41,518 --> 00:34:45,278 Speaker 2: up their pitchers of course, with our hitters limited limited numbers, 731 00:34:45,598 --> 00:34:48,678 Speaker 2: so you're not going to can ever convince yourself to 732 00:34:48,718 --> 00:34:51,598 Speaker 2: do that. Mattie Keo wanted us to throw front door 733 00:34:51,678 --> 00:34:54,598 Speaker 2: breaking balls to Edgar Martinez in the nineties, which was 734 00:34:54,638 --> 00:34:56,438 Speaker 2: not a pitch. Back then, it was like, what are 735 00:34:56,478 --> 00:34:58,038 Speaker 2: you talking about. That's a hanging slider. 736 00:34:58,398 --> 00:34:59,358 Speaker 3: So all this. 737 00:34:59,358 --> 00:35:01,598 Speaker 2: Stuff, with the data and the and the and the 738 00:35:01,638 --> 00:35:06,358 Speaker 2: really stockpile of information, it permits or provides greater confidence 739 00:35:06,718 --> 00:35:09,438 Speaker 2: in regard to the game planning that you're putting out there. 740 00:35:09,478 --> 00:35:12,918 Speaker 2: So right now, everybody that they're playing the Angels, they're 741 00:35:12,918 --> 00:35:15,118 Speaker 2: just saying the same thing until he shows us this, 742 00:35:15,478 --> 00:35:19,318 Speaker 2: we're doing this, and you don't have to change up 743 00:35:19,398 --> 00:35:23,438 Speaker 2: or try different things you're fifteen years ago that wouldn't 744 00:35:23,438 --> 00:35:23,798 Speaker 2: have happened. 745 00:35:23,838 --> 00:35:25,438 Speaker 3: It's happening now. Yeah. 746 00:35:25,478 --> 00:35:28,078 Speaker 1: You know, you made a good point about those those 747 00:35:28,358 --> 00:35:32,638 Speaker 1: fastballs with ride. We know velocity keeps going up. Back 748 00:35:32,678 --> 00:35:35,718 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen wasn't really that long ago when Stanton 749 00:35:35,998 --> 00:35:39,278 Speaker 1: was the MVP. You know, the average fastball has got 750 00:35:39,358 --> 00:35:42,078 Speaker 1: up a mile per hour since then, and batting average 751 00:35:42,118 --> 00:35:45,798 Speaker 1: against fastballs has gone down eleven points. And that's not 752 00:35:45,798 --> 00:35:48,718 Speaker 1: that long ago. So you know, guys in their thirties, 753 00:35:48,758 --> 00:35:53,638 Speaker 1: the Donaldson's, the Stanton's, the trouts, they're seeing more velocity 754 00:35:53,998 --> 00:35:56,758 Speaker 1: from more pitchers. By the way, in twenty seventeen, there 755 00:35:56,798 --> 00:36:00,718 Speaker 1: were only forty pitchers who touched one hundred miles an hour. 756 00:36:01,278 --> 00:36:04,438 Speaker 1: We're halfway through the season and already have had forty 757 00:36:04,518 --> 00:36:07,478 Speaker 1: four pitchers hit one hundred miles an hour. 758 00:36:07,558 --> 00:36:08,158 Speaker 3: Unbelievable. 759 00:36:08,158 --> 00:36:11,038 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that long ago, but Joe, I'm 760 00:36:11,078 --> 00:36:13,558 Speaker 1: looking at a different world when it comes to pure 761 00:36:13,678 --> 00:36:15,318 Speaker 1: stuff on the mound in today's game. 762 00:36:15,878 --> 00:36:21,598 Speaker 2: And also consider the techniques being taught with the hitters. Again, analytically, 763 00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:23,558 Speaker 2: we want the balls in the stands, we want homers, 764 00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:25,718 Speaker 2: We want you to go for the home run even 765 00:36:26,038 --> 00:36:28,718 Speaker 2: with two strikes. No adjustments here, keep taking that hack. 766 00:36:29,798 --> 00:36:32,558 Speaker 2: We want the homer. We don't need that blooper to 767 00:36:32,638 --> 00:36:35,318 Speaker 2: right field. We don't want you to accept your walk right. 768 00:36:35,358 --> 00:36:37,158 Speaker 2: We just want you to drive the ball to the ballpark, 769 00:36:37,638 --> 00:36:41,278 Speaker 2: swing up a launch angle, et cetera. So when you 770 00:36:41,438 --> 00:36:46,998 Speaker 2: combine launch angle with added velocity, whoah, that is devastating. Now, 771 00:36:47,238 --> 00:36:49,438 Speaker 2: when I watched Dan, I don't necessarily see launch angle. 772 00:36:49,758 --> 00:36:51,678 Speaker 2: He looks like he really wants to flatten it out 773 00:36:51,678 --> 00:36:53,758 Speaker 2: a bit, but that really opens up a big hole 774 00:36:53,838 --> 00:36:56,598 Speaker 2: underneath them at his back foot, especially by the way 775 00:36:56,638 --> 00:37:01,438 Speaker 2: he stands. So it's a combination of yes, added velocity, 776 00:37:01,478 --> 00:37:03,798 Speaker 2: which I was watching Hicks with Say Louis when I 777 00:37:04,118 --> 00:37:04,718 Speaker 2: a couple years ago. 778 00:37:04,758 --> 00:37:05,798 Speaker 3: The kid could throw a strike. 779 00:37:05,918 --> 00:37:09,038 Speaker 2: Now now he's thrown two seam strikes at one hundred 780 00:37:09,078 --> 00:37:11,838 Speaker 2: and two three miles an hour. Sink, they got no chance. 781 00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:13,958 Speaker 2: The ball's coming back eight inches for a strike on 782 00:37:13,998 --> 00:37:17,438 Speaker 2: the outside corner, you have no chance on that. They're 783 00:37:17,478 --> 00:37:20,318 Speaker 2: just trying to basically foul off and hopefully get to 784 00:37:20,358 --> 00:37:24,318 Speaker 2: another pitch. So combination of velocity with the approach and teaching, 785 00:37:24,358 --> 00:37:27,518 Speaker 2: I think obviously has led to a great number of strikeouts. 786 00:37:27,718 --> 00:37:31,478 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about barbecues and music. Uh you 787 00:37:31,558 --> 00:37:34,598 Speaker 1: got I'm sure you got some powerful outdoor speakers as well. 788 00:37:34,598 --> 00:37:36,678 Speaker 1: I know you love them in your vehicles that you drive, 789 00:37:36,838 --> 00:37:39,558 Speaker 1: so true. Yeah, you got a bunch of people over. 790 00:37:39,678 --> 00:37:42,478 Speaker 1: We got the grill fired up. We need some good 791 00:37:42,518 --> 00:37:45,038 Speaker 1: tunes in the background. Where should I go? 792 00:37:45,518 --> 00:37:48,798 Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you're we're talking, it's let me 793 00:37:48,838 --> 00:37:52,038 Speaker 2: go for the west coast first. Let's go west to east. 794 00:37:52,478 --> 00:37:55,638 Speaker 2: The beach boys. I mean, you know, regardless whether it's 795 00:37:55,678 --> 00:37:58,278 Speaker 2: on a beach or just in the summer situation, endless summer, 796 00:37:58,798 --> 00:38:01,478 Speaker 2: you would want to have the beach boys blaring out 797 00:38:01,598 --> 00:38:05,078 Speaker 2: during the summer. I mean good vibrations simply. And I'm 798 00:38:05,078 --> 00:38:06,638 Speaker 2: going to have my first party at the pat here 799 00:38:06,678 --> 00:38:09,358 Speaker 2: as soon. The railings almost put up on the deck 800 00:38:09,918 --> 00:38:11,998 Speaker 2: and I got the k G curator coming on Thursday. 801 00:38:12,598 --> 00:38:15,198 Speaker 2: The grill is ready to go. I got heating elements. 802 00:38:15,198 --> 00:38:18,478 Speaker 2: If he gets cool, the view of spectacular beach boys. 803 00:38:18,878 --> 00:38:22,958 Speaker 2: Good vibrations. Man, It's always starts with good vibrations for me, 804 00:38:23,198 --> 00:38:26,558 Speaker 2: and I'm definitely I'm sticking to it. And then again 805 00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:30,478 Speaker 2: you start moving back east like you know, the summertime stuff. 806 00:38:30,518 --> 00:38:34,638 Speaker 2: How about just the good old Love and Spoonful, you know, yeah, 807 00:38:34,638 --> 00:38:37,798 Speaker 2: I that to me has got the summer kind of 808 00:38:38,158 --> 00:38:41,918 Speaker 2: lilt to it. And yes, you're right. The Sono speakers 809 00:38:41,998 --> 00:38:45,998 Speaker 2: interconnected through this whole pad booms everywhere. I keep them 810 00:38:46,078 --> 00:38:48,278 Speaker 2: up to seventy seventy five, so the people on the 811 00:38:48,838 --> 00:38:51,158 Speaker 2: golfers on the thirty can hear my music every time 812 00:38:51,158 --> 00:38:52,718 Speaker 2: they go to hit their t shots. 813 00:38:53,158 --> 00:38:54,358 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm going. 814 00:38:55,598 --> 00:39:01,958 Speaker 2: Probably unsuspecting choices. But the beach boys to Love and Spoonful, man, 815 00:39:02,238 --> 00:39:05,838 Speaker 2: to me, that equal summer bashing all those dudes. And 816 00:39:05,918 --> 00:39:08,638 Speaker 2: I love Nashville Cats, I mean just stupid stuff. 817 00:39:08,758 --> 00:39:09,678 Speaker 3: I mean, it just. 818 00:39:09,598 --> 00:39:13,478 Speaker 2: Got that little funky summary beat for me that I love. 819 00:39:14,038 --> 00:39:14,198 Speaker 3: You know. 820 00:39:14,238 --> 00:39:16,998 Speaker 1: I went to Spotify for a since sometimes it's hit 821 00:39:17,038 --> 00:39:20,518 Speaker 1: and miss for a barbecue mix, right, okay, and I 822 00:39:20,558 --> 00:39:23,158 Speaker 1: heard a Billy Joel song okay, and then I have 823 00:39:23,358 --> 00:39:25,598 Speaker 1: not heard for years, and I was like, wow, that 824 00:39:25,678 --> 00:39:29,958 Speaker 1: brought me back summer Highland falls okay now, and the 825 00:39:30,158 --> 00:39:34,318 Speaker 1: early Billy Joel is just amazing, right right. I wasn't 826 00:39:34,318 --> 00:39:36,638 Speaker 1: so much into his pop stuff, you know. It seemed 827 00:39:36,638 --> 00:39:38,958 Speaker 1: like the higher he got on the charts the less. 828 00:39:38,998 --> 00:39:40,918 Speaker 1: I kind of liked this stuff but early on, and 829 00:39:41,078 --> 00:39:44,158 Speaker 1: obviously Piano Man is just an incredible album. But I'm 830 00:39:44,158 --> 00:39:45,998 Speaker 1: going Billy Joel East Coast Pick. 831 00:39:46,318 --> 00:39:50,598 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I listened Step Brothers, didn't. They went into 832 00:39:50,598 --> 00:39:52,918 Speaker 2: the eighties Billy Joel. They liked early Billy Joe too. 833 00:39:52,998 --> 00:39:55,038 Speaker 3: But I get it, un totally get it. 834 00:39:55,078 --> 00:39:58,958 Speaker 2: The Catalina Wine Mixer, that group that was on the 835 00:39:58,958 --> 00:40:00,038 Speaker 2: stage there, I understand. 836 00:40:00,038 --> 00:40:01,278 Speaker 3: I understand where you're coming from. 837 00:40:01,678 --> 00:40:03,998 Speaker 1: By the way you dropped the Keggerator on us. I 838 00:40:04,038 --> 00:40:06,998 Speaker 1: gotta know more. Yeah, I tell me more, please. 839 00:40:07,398 --> 00:40:11,398 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got well the back the backyard is so cool. 840 00:40:11,478 --> 00:40:14,038 Speaker 2: I got a two stall ca graator, so I got 841 00:40:14,038 --> 00:40:16,158 Speaker 2: a double tap on one side, a fridge on the other, 842 00:40:17,158 --> 00:40:19,598 Speaker 2: an area for prep for food right next to the grill. 843 00:40:19,718 --> 00:40:22,558 Speaker 2: So the cake Greator will be on Thursday, and we're 844 00:40:22,558 --> 00:40:25,358 Speaker 2: gonna go half Corona premiere, and we're trying to figure 845 00:40:25,398 --> 00:40:27,558 Speaker 2: out the other half whether it's going to be just 846 00:40:27,678 --> 00:40:30,358 Speaker 2: Yangling or Yangling Flight, you know, being the fact that 847 00:40:30,398 --> 00:40:33,318 Speaker 2: we're over thirty five forty years of age, we prefer 848 00:40:33,358 --> 00:40:36,398 Speaker 2: the light beer, so maybe half. I'm a big Corona guy. 849 00:40:36,758 --> 00:40:39,918 Speaker 2: Eddie better whenever upsit with Eddie. I love I love 850 00:40:39,918 --> 00:40:42,078 Speaker 2: our coronas we love our but the premiere for me 851 00:40:42,678 --> 00:40:46,038 Speaker 2: is solid. I like the solid Corona premiere on one side, 852 00:40:46,558 --> 00:40:48,558 Speaker 2: Yangling or Yangling flight on the other. Because I wanted 853 00:40:48,598 --> 00:40:50,118 Speaker 2: some of the local stuff out of Potsville. 854 00:40:50,198 --> 00:40:52,718 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta stay local, I mean, yeah, throwing a 855 00:40:52,718 --> 00:40:55,398 Speaker 1: couple of rocks too, Yeah, talking of rocks. 856 00:40:55,518 --> 00:40:58,398 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Listen, that was the That was the drink 857 00:40:58,438 --> 00:41:01,478 Speaker 2: of choice at Lafayette and any cager that we had 858 00:41:01,518 --> 00:41:03,358 Speaker 2: around here back in the day was always the rock. 859 00:41:03,718 --> 00:41:06,598 Speaker 1: All right. So what's going on the grill? What's the 860 00:41:06,638 --> 00:41:07,758 Speaker 1: food choice on the grill? 861 00:41:08,118 --> 00:41:11,198 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's a couple of things. I've learned how 862 00:41:11,278 --> 00:41:14,518 Speaker 2: to rot tissery. I have rot tisrie now and I've 863 00:41:14,518 --> 00:41:19,278 Speaker 2: done ribs on rotisserie. And the big thing about the 864 00:41:19,318 --> 00:41:22,798 Speaker 2: ribs on rotissri could have mustard dry rub on it, 865 00:41:22,878 --> 00:41:27,078 Speaker 2: and then what I like to do as it's rotating, obviously, 866 00:41:27,678 --> 00:41:30,318 Speaker 2: sprits it with orange juice. I get a bottle, spritz 867 00:41:30,358 --> 00:41:32,798 Speaker 2: it with orange juice every fifteen minutes. Hit it up, 868 00:41:33,158 --> 00:41:34,838 Speaker 2: and you want to get those ribs nice and hot 869 00:41:34,878 --> 00:41:36,758 Speaker 2: before you take them off. They're like almost one hundred 870 00:41:36,758 --> 00:41:38,558 Speaker 2: and ninety degrees or so. And that's when you do 871 00:41:38,598 --> 00:41:41,398 Speaker 2: take them off and put a little dipping sauce. Don't 872 00:41:41,398 --> 00:41:43,718 Speaker 2: add any sauce, just put the sauce on the side. 873 00:41:44,158 --> 00:41:47,278 Speaker 2: The dipping sauce is great. And then right down the street, 874 00:41:47,278 --> 00:41:50,838 Speaker 2: Frankie Rat is my guy down here at the pro shop. 875 00:41:51,198 --> 00:41:53,478 Speaker 2: We order some I order steaks from the purveyor there 876 00:41:53,598 --> 00:41:54,958 Speaker 2: and we cut them up and bring them over like 877 00:41:54,998 --> 00:41:57,838 Speaker 2: two inch stick New York strippers, and I like to 878 00:41:57,918 --> 00:42:01,638 Speaker 2: start those with limon fused olive oil and then just 879 00:42:01,678 --> 00:42:03,758 Speaker 2: got to go with Montreal seasoning or something like that. 880 00:42:04,198 --> 00:42:07,518 Speaker 2: But I get the internal temperature up to like one 881 00:42:07,838 --> 00:42:10,598 Speaker 2: six take them off, like to get them off ready 882 00:42:10,598 --> 00:42:14,958 Speaker 2: to eat pre less than one forty. And these suckers 883 00:42:14,998 --> 00:42:18,438 Speaker 2: are just so so good. So that's primarily you're going 884 00:42:18,478 --> 00:42:21,198 Speaker 2: to see ribs and gro tistrie ribs chicken, of course, 885 00:42:21,198 --> 00:42:23,878 Speaker 2: the burgers and dogs, et cetera. But I'm really into 886 00:42:23,958 --> 00:42:27,998 Speaker 2: limeon fused olive oil right now and splitching ribs with 887 00:42:28,238 --> 00:42:28,958 Speaker 2: orange juice. 888 00:42:29,438 --> 00:42:32,958 Speaker 1: Yeah to me, You know you mentioned dogs and burgers 889 00:42:33,038 --> 00:42:37,638 Speaker 1: yet traditional I actually love me a good barbecued chicken sandwich. 890 00:42:37,718 --> 00:42:42,238 Speaker 1: Maybe a little bacon on there, fresh tomato, lettuce. The 891 00:42:42,278 --> 00:42:45,918 Speaker 1: bun is absolutely important. But I go there. But my 892 00:42:45,998 --> 00:42:49,918 Speaker 1: wife does an incredible pizza on the outdoor grill. She's 893 00:42:49,998 --> 00:42:53,358 Speaker 1: got one of those stones, yes, and it gets super 894 00:42:53,478 --> 00:42:56,278 Speaker 1: hot and you can get it done in like four minutes. 895 00:42:56,478 --> 00:42:59,758 Speaker 1: You're talking like six hundred seven hundred degrees in there, 896 00:43:00,118 --> 00:43:02,918 Speaker 1: and it comes out nice and crispy. I like the 897 00:43:02,918 --> 00:43:05,878 Speaker 1: the old school kind of crispy, almost like a flatbread type. 898 00:43:06,038 --> 00:43:06,678 Speaker 3: I do that too. 899 00:43:07,038 --> 00:43:09,318 Speaker 2: We have Snaps Pizza here in town and a bakery 900 00:43:09,438 --> 00:43:11,758 Speaker 2: and you could buy the pre formed shells and they 901 00:43:11,798 --> 00:43:15,598 Speaker 2: give you a kit with sauce in the and the cheese. 902 00:43:15,598 --> 00:43:19,198 Speaker 3: But again on the crust of dough. 903 00:43:19,758 --> 00:43:21,878 Speaker 2: I started out with limon fused olive oil. Then the 904 00:43:21,918 --> 00:43:23,518 Speaker 2: big thing for me is I like salty, So I 905 00:43:23,558 --> 00:43:26,838 Speaker 2: got green olives and capers on my pizzas. 906 00:43:27,198 --> 00:43:27,958 Speaker 3: And then I take the. 907 00:43:29,118 --> 00:43:32,358 Speaker 2: Sausage and the pepperoni, and I use a grater and 908 00:43:32,398 --> 00:43:35,678 Speaker 2: grate it down like the crumby, like fine crumbs of 909 00:43:35,758 --> 00:43:38,638 Speaker 2: sausage and pepperoni, and a little fry on that, and 910 00:43:38,638 --> 00:43:40,798 Speaker 2: then throw that on the top there too, and then 911 00:43:40,878 --> 00:43:43,558 Speaker 2: dump all different kinds of cheeses on it. You're right, 912 00:43:43,718 --> 00:43:45,758 Speaker 2: about four minutes at the most. I put it on 913 00:43:45,798 --> 00:43:48,758 Speaker 2: the stone on a piece of parchment paper, and it's 914 00:43:48,758 --> 00:43:49,558 Speaker 2: been a pretty big hit. 915 00:43:49,918 --> 00:43:51,878 Speaker 1: And by the way, I have had your pizza. 916 00:43:52,158 --> 00:43:53,198 Speaker 3: That's right, you have Snaps. 917 00:43:53,638 --> 00:43:57,158 Speaker 1: Snaps has not just great dough. They got great sauce too. 918 00:43:57,158 --> 00:43:59,478 Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent plus. We also have our Mad 919 00:43:59,758 --> 00:44:02,678 Speaker 2: Pizza Sauce. We do sell that. It's for the foundation. 920 00:44:02,758 --> 00:44:06,438 Speaker 2: We have Mad Pizza Sauce, pasta sauce, and Madden Chowchow. 921 00:44:06,958 --> 00:44:10,638 Speaker 2: My dad's on the pizza sauce, my grandparents Taliant are 922 00:44:10,678 --> 00:44:14,318 Speaker 2: on the pasta sauce, and my mom Beanie is on 923 00:44:14,398 --> 00:44:17,198 Speaker 2: the chowchow, which is a really big hit. It's great 924 00:44:17,238 --> 00:44:20,558 Speaker 2: with even just a hot dog, meat loaf, fried meatballs. 925 00:44:20,558 --> 00:44:23,678 Speaker 2: The child child's outstanding. If you're really interested, we get 926 00:44:23,718 --> 00:44:25,838 Speaker 2: you more information. But all the proceeds for that go 927 00:44:26,198 --> 00:44:27,598 Speaker 2: to the Respect ninety Foundation. 928 00:44:28,078 --> 00:44:30,398 Speaker 1: Very cool. It's a big day on the calendar. Fourth 929 00:44:30,398 --> 00:44:33,198 Speaker 1: of July weekend coming up. It's a big day. And 930 00:44:33,318 --> 00:44:35,238 Speaker 1: you know, as far as the summer schedule, but even 931 00:44:35,238 --> 00:44:37,638 Speaker 1: the baseball schedule, I always felt like, you know, those 932 00:44:37,678 --> 00:44:39,998 Speaker 1: teams traditionally in first place, on the fourth of July. 933 00:44:40,638 --> 00:44:43,478 Speaker 1: They're for real and it's almost like your spot to 934 00:44:43,518 --> 00:44:44,798 Speaker 1: lose at that point of the season. 935 00:44:44,918 --> 00:44:45,278 Speaker 3: Agreed. 936 00:44:45,318 --> 00:44:48,238 Speaker 2: I mean, you've you figured it out a little bit. 937 00:44:48,278 --> 00:44:49,998 Speaker 2: You've got that kind of that thing going on in 938 00:44:49,998 --> 00:44:53,238 Speaker 2: the clubhouse. Everybody's starting to believe right now, we're like 939 00:44:53,278 --> 00:44:57,118 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's descending a bit, Cincinnati is ascending right now, Baltimore's 940 00:44:57,438 --> 00:45:02,078 Speaker 2: keeping their spot among the other groups right now. And 941 00:45:02,118 --> 00:45:04,198 Speaker 2: then you see, like you're talking about the Yankees, where's 942 00:45:04,238 --> 00:45:05,918 Speaker 2: that energy going to come from to get them over 943 00:45:05,958 --> 00:45:06,198 Speaker 2: the top? 944 00:45:06,238 --> 00:45:07,518 Speaker 3: I understand that completely. 945 00:45:08,238 --> 00:45:10,598 Speaker 2: You know, the Blue Jays still want to vacillate right 946 00:45:10,638 --> 00:45:13,838 Speaker 2: during the middle, not knowing exactly where they want to go. 947 00:45:14,798 --> 00:45:16,678 Speaker 2: And of course I don't know how the Dodgers keep 948 00:45:16,718 --> 00:45:18,478 Speaker 2: doing it, but they do. Andrew does such a wonderful 949 00:45:18,558 --> 00:45:19,278 Speaker 2: job out there. 950 00:45:19,598 --> 00:45:20,078 Speaker 3: And even the. 951 00:45:20,038 --> 00:45:21,518 Speaker 2: Angels, I mean, like the Angels are hanging in there 952 00:45:21,558 --> 00:45:24,318 Speaker 2: really well. I like Griff and Kenny making his comeback. 953 00:45:24,358 --> 00:45:26,958 Speaker 2: I love that Griff is pitching as well as he is, 954 00:45:26,998 --> 00:45:29,638 Speaker 2: and David Fletcher's back up, so you know, keeping track 955 00:45:29,678 --> 00:45:31,998 Speaker 2: of all this stuff is it is really interesting right now. 956 00:45:32,358 --> 00:45:35,398 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great time a summer, great time of year. 957 00:45:35,558 --> 00:45:38,478 Speaker 1: So Joey, you got something to take us out here 958 00:45:38,518 --> 00:45:39,878 Speaker 1: as we head into a big weekend. 959 00:45:40,198 --> 00:45:43,438 Speaker 2: Everything we've been talking about. Brother again, mister Twain, May 960 00:45:43,478 --> 00:45:48,758 Speaker 2: you always keep your youth. You know, everybody wants to 961 00:45:49,118 --> 00:45:52,518 Speaker 2: be grown ups, everybody you just we just. 962 00:45:52,478 --> 00:45:53,478 Speaker 3: We want to become old. 963 00:45:53,558 --> 00:45:55,038 Speaker 2: And we got to dress a certain way and you 964 00:45:55,078 --> 00:45:58,438 Speaker 2: got to cut your hair and you know, wear different 965 00:45:58,478 --> 00:45:59,198 Speaker 2: kind of clothes. 966 00:46:00,318 --> 00:46:01,638 Speaker 3: May you always keep your youth. 967 00:46:01,918 --> 00:46:04,398 Speaker 2: It's it's probably the most important I think you could 968 00:46:04,398 --> 00:46:04,998 Speaker 2: possibly do. 969 00:46:05,438 --> 00:46:08,718 Speaker 1: The important words to remember. Great job, Joe. We'll see 970 00:46:08,718 --> 00:46:10,158 Speaker 1: you next time on the Book of Joe. 971 00:46:10,038 --> 00:46:12,158 Speaker 3: You tube brother. Thanks for everything man see it by. 972 00:46:17,838 --> 00:46:21,078 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio. 973 00:46:21,278 --> 00:46:26,158 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 974 00:46:26,398 --> 00:46:28,158 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.