1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Taking a walk, And I remember at one point like 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to set up that keyboard stand 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: because I had never set it up. I was like, Oh, 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not having to set 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: my keyboard up on the stage. I don't even know 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: how to set that keyboard stand up. I was like, 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: oh my god. I had to check myself, like, oh 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: my god, I'm very entitled right now. 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: Take a stroll down memory Lane today on Buzznight, Taking 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: a walk steps into the vivid, untamed world of Roddy Bottom. 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: From the keys that drove faith No Moore's Unclassifiable sound 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: to the shimmering pop of Imperial Teen, Roddy's journey through 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: music mirrors his fearless journey through life. Now, with his 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: new memoir The Royal Wee, Roddy cracks open the vault, 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: offering stories of nineteen eighties San Francisco wild nights with 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: punk and all legends, and the raw honesty of coming 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: out when it meant risking everything. What secrets does Roddy 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: Bottom's walk reveal? And how does retracing these steps rewrite 19 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: his own soundtrack? Well, I ask you to lace up 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: this stroll, promises revelations, laughter, and a backstage pass to 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: decades of reinvention, resilience and unbelievable storytelling. Coming up after 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: these words. 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,639 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 24 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: Well, welcome Roddy to the Taken a Walk Podcast. 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, buzz. I'm happy to be here. 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: So I like to ask this opening question, Roddy. It's 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: a little bit of an icebreaker question, but it also 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: gets answered in all different ways by everybody. If you 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: could take a walk with someone, living or dead, who 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: would you take a walk with? Then? Where would you 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: take that walk with him? Oh? 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good one. I really like I just 33 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: finished that second Ocean book. I've seen him speak a 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: little bit, and he seems like a really nice time. 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: I'd like to take a walk with him. He lives 36 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts, so I would like to take a walk 37 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: with him up on the cape around Provincetown, like in 38 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: the not in the like busy part of Provincetown, but 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: like there's some lakes, some ponds in Provincetown that are 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: really pretty. I think that would be apt for a 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: nice conversation for me in Ocean. I was in Massachusetts 42 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: last week. I did my first sort of reading for 43 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: this book. And I went to met meet my niece 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: in a cafe and I got there early and Oceanbohm 45 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: was there in the cafe. I recognized him. He was 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: sitting and reading, and so I feel we're kind of 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: like connected. 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. You didn't stop by to visit me 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: in the Metro West suburbs of Boston. I'm so disappointed, Ronnie. 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't Boston. We were in Northampton in western mass. 51 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: All Right, I'm teasing you. That's far. It's an hour 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: and a half, two hours away. But yeah, it's a 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: way we felt your royal WE presence, Roddy. Yes, congratulations 54 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: on the royal We thank you very much. 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Buzz. 56 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: Tell me how long of a process was this for 57 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: you to create this work? 58 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: You know, that's a good question. I kind of like 59 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: I talked about in an early draft of the book, 60 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: that sort of I always consider myself from an early 61 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: age to be a writer, but I'd never written anything, 62 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: and I never really did write anything. And I was 63 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: getting on to be like almost sixty years old, and 64 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm a writer, but I've never 65 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: written like I write like cute texts two people, and 66 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: I write pretty good email up to that point. And 67 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with my friend JD and she 68 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: was like, well, do you do your morning pages? And 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: I was like, what is that? And as I said it, 70 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: I knew exactly what she meant. Morning pages can only 71 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: mean one thing. It means getting up in the morning 72 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: and writing. That's part of that book the Artist's Way, 73 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: and everybody a lot of people use that sort of process. 74 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: But she sort of brought that to my attention and 75 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I have a lot to say 76 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: and I should really start writing it down, write about now. 77 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: So I started. That was like about a year and 78 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: a half ago. I started waking up in the morning 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: and I would just write for an hour every day. 80 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: And I didn't really have a design to sort of 81 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: writing a book, but it became a book. I kind 82 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: of started writing all the stories that have happened to 83 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: me in my life, and there's a lot of them 84 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: that I find myself repeating, and so I know those 85 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: stories really well and it was kind of easy to 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: just sort of like flesh them out in the mornings. 87 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: But I think I wrote probably for close to a year, 88 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: and I had a pretty big, sort of semblance of 89 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: a book. A memoir of my life at that point. 90 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: So I guess it kind of took a year to 91 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: sort of like get everything down, and then it took 92 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: another six months, I think, to edit stuff out. 93 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: And how difficult was the editing? That must be painstaking 94 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: for someone who has poured themselves into it and has 95 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: taken people through, you know, your life, So how difficult 96 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: in painstaking is the editing? 97 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: You know, you'd think that edit would be rough, and 98 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: I hear people like toil over it and talk about 99 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: what a process it is and how difficult it is. 100 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: But honestly, like my whole life, I think spent the 101 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: craft that I've sort of like spent time with music especially, 102 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: but writing also now has always sort of benefited from 103 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: sort of like stripping things away. I'm in a band 104 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: right now called Crickets, and our whole process is to record, 105 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: to make songs, and then strip things away from those 106 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: songs and have just the bare bones and then necessary 107 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: elements that we find work alone. And it's a really 108 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: beautiful process that sort of has sort of like pushed 109 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: me into other fields like writing especially to sort of 110 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: like strip things away and sort of recognize the benefits 111 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: of that and I don't know what it is. It's 112 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: just I think my intuition is pretty strong. When I 113 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: sort of sit down and decide what to cut away, 114 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure what is sort of like overage and 115 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: can be taken away pretty easily. And after it's done, 116 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: I feel really refreshed and good, like I've shed something 117 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't need to be there. And I don't know 118 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: it's so for me. The long answer there is like 119 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: it was kind of a better experience than a painful one. 120 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: I liked stripping things down. I liked getting rid of stuff. 121 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: Now had you also thinking of your musical care There's 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: a few musicians I've noted over time who are fascinated by, 123 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, reinventing, reimagining, re engineering things. You know, 124 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: have you been someone as a musician fixated on reverse 125 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: engineering things? Ever? 126 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question. It feels like, 127 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think from an outside perspective, looking at 128 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: what I've done over the course of my life, it 129 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: looks like I've sort of shifted gears quite a bit 130 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: and changed costumes quite a bit, and sort of like 131 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: h switched things up, and that there's been some sort 132 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: of design in which I'm sort of entertaining to do that. 133 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: But it's kind of I think, at the bottom of 134 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: it all, it's just sort of like I kind of 135 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: just do what's comfortable to me, but like I think 136 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: it's for myself. I can only speak for myself. As 137 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: I got older, sort of my taste changed and what 138 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: I like and what I appreciate changed. Like when I 139 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: was a kid, like doing faith no more and making 140 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: that sort of raucous loud bombardment of cacophony is so 141 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: loud and so obnoxious, it just felt right at that age, 142 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, at twenty years old, when you're exploring for 143 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: the first time and joining a band for the first time. 144 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: For me, anyway, it was all about like making the 145 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: most noise I could. And I was in a band, 146 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: and we were all sort of like competitive in that way. 147 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: We'd all make, you know, be as loud as we 148 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: could and sort of like who could be the loudest, 149 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: who's part could scream the loudest kind of one. And 150 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: as I got older, I sort of like, you know, 151 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: sort of refined my taste and sort of like maybe 152 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: grew up a little bit as I've gotten older, Like 153 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: I think me as a person. I've changed, and I 154 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: think all the stuff that I've done with regards to 155 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: music and writing and you know, production kind of reflects that, 156 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: like I think, a maturity. It sounds really boring and 157 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: old and kind of like ridiculous, but I think it's 158 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: like I'm going to say, yeah, there's a maturity that 159 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: set in that sort of like pushed me into different directions. 160 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: But at the core of it, I always feel like 161 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm being myself. I'm not that different than I was 162 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I'm just a little quieter maybe, 163 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: and a little more thoughtful and sort of like. 164 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: What I do called evolving. 165 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, evolution buzz, it's that, yeah for sure. 166 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: So what was the first moment you were connected with 167 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: music and what music was it that you connected with. 168 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such an awakening when you kind of come 169 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: across music. I think I had a piano when I 170 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: was a kid, when I was really little, I was 171 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: four or five, and I think having that in the 172 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: house was a sort of gift to like sort of 173 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: a kid that has that sort of taste for like 174 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: sort of sound and melody and what the craft of 175 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: a song could be. It was a real luxury to 176 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: have as a like, to be able to sit at 177 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: that piano when I was really young and just like 178 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: do whatever I wanted. That was sort of my introduction 179 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: to sort of like, oh, I can create things, and 180 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: I can make sounds, and I can play something I 181 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: think repetitively over and over and oh, that's like a 182 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: hook in my little head. I was like, Oh, that 183 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: sounds good. Just keep doing it and keep doing it 184 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: and then kind of go away from it to do 185 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: something else and then come back to that thing that 186 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: I was doing over and over and oh, wow, it's 187 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: like magic. I remember acknowledging that when I was super young, 188 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: like I was five, and then I started taking piano 189 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: lessons like around that age when I was six, and 190 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: sort of like sunk into the piano in a really 191 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: like intense way and did it kind of until like 192 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: I graduated from high school, I think, and went to college. 193 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: In terms of popular music, though, I was kind of 194 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: I think my parents they weren't super hit parents, but 195 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: they had. At one point they brought home Bridge over 196 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: Troubled Water, the Simon and Garfunkel record, and first that 197 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: changed my life. I remember just listening to that over 198 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: and over and over and reading the words and holding 199 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: the record cover and knowing that these two guys, these 200 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: two friends, had made this music that was fascinating to me. 201 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: That was kind of the beginning I think of my 202 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: obsession with Like Rock. 203 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: I guess that's so fascinating thinking about that particular duo 204 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: influencing you and then following your career and your trajectory. 205 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: I think it's so cool. I'm layering that on top 206 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: of the first time. I remember, like a lot of people, 207 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: hearing Faith No More and going, wait a minute, what 208 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: do I call this? This is so many different things, 209 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: like you were describing it earlier, which was the I think, 210 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: the magical piece we all became fixated with. Tell me 211 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: how you think about it now, do you? I'm not 212 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: asking you to contradict yourself from your earlier statements here, 213 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: but when you reflect on Faith No More now and 214 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: the legacy left, what are your thoughts on it? 215 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: It's a super the Faith No More era for me, 216 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: like it started when I was pretty young, like I 217 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: was saying earlier, and it remained super special to me. 218 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: It was a sort of project in which like Billy 219 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: who I grew up with, he was the bass player 220 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: of Faith No More. We grew up together, a bunch 221 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: of grammar school together, so we were really close, and 222 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: we moved to San Francisco at the same time, and 223 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: we were on the same sort of journey and it 224 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: was a really special time in our lives, like being 225 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: twenty years old and moving away from your family or 226 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean we were actually I was seventeen, but we 227 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: started the bad I think when we were probably eighteen 228 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: or nineteen, But that specific age for me was very potent. 229 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,479 Speaker 1: It was I was just so sort of like overwhelmingly 230 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: like in tune with like what was going on in 231 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: San Francisco, which I kind of write about in my book, 232 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: was such a special place and it created this fascinating 233 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: sort of like combination of the sort of different things. 234 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: Like we met the drummer who was sort of like 235 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: into like really like busy kind of like African beats 236 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: sort of like, and we started playing with a guitar 237 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: player later on who was like very immersed in sort 238 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: of like big chunk of chunk of hard loud rock. 239 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: I was not anything close to that. Billy and I 240 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: were really into punk rock and sort of performance art 241 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: and weird art music like throbbing gristle and strange sort 242 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: of odd stuff that came from England that we were 243 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: obsessed with, like crass and weird sounds. So for us 244 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: sort of it was crazy just combination of all these 245 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: different people coming together and. 246 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: Making it work. 247 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: But what I was talking about earlier was like we 248 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: did have a really competitive sort of sense in our 249 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: songwriting where we all sort of like we're bringing different 250 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: things to the table, and we had to do it 251 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: in such a way where our voices were heard. And 252 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: it was a special thing for myself as a keyboard 253 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: player to be in that situation because it was a 254 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: really loud sort of music and to bring in keyboards 255 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: into that was sort of like it was a little 256 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: bit of a like what is that It was a 257 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: good opportunity for me as a gay kid in that 258 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: sort of scenario to bring in like a sense of 259 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: sort of beauty into the cacophony that we were sort 260 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: of creating, and it took a lot. I had to 261 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: sort of like step up to the plate, and I 262 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: had to fight for sort of like what I was 263 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: and what I was bringing into the band at the time, 264 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: which is not to say we were all fighting. We fighted. 265 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: We fought an awful lot in that band, but we 266 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: created this special thing where it was like a lot 267 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: of different voices coming together, and that was really special 268 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: at that time in my life, and it's still special 269 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: now I look back on it and with only fondness. 270 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more of the Taken a 271 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 272 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: Do you remember the first moment when you realize that 273 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: Faith No More went from being underground to having global recognition. 274 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: I remember at one point I we toured so much, 275 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: so it was kind of like a really slow transition 276 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: from like the van, you know, five of us in 277 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: a van loading our own equipment, to sort of like 278 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: playing bigger theaters. But I remember remember at one point 279 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: I had a new keyboard stand, and I realized at 280 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: one point, like a couple months later, and we've been 281 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: touring for like, you know, we would just touring to 282 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: a tour, We've probably been touring for a year and 283 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: a half at that point without a break. And I 284 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: remember at one point, like I didn't know how to 285 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: set up that keyboard stand because I had never set 286 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: it up. I was like, oh, I'm not doing this anymore. 287 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm not having to set my keyboard up on the stage. 288 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to set that keyboard stand up. 289 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god. I had to 290 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: check myself, like, oh my god, I'm very entitled right now. 291 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: But that was a moment. 292 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: Was there a live performance that in particular stands out 293 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: with Faith No More that was kind of transformative? 294 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when we started playing, like it took 295 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: us a really long time as Faith No More to 296 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: sort of like get any sort of notoriety in the US. 297 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: We would tour and tour and tour, and people would 298 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: come to the shows and we had a pretty good 299 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: sort of like following, but it wasn't until we went 300 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: to England that people really started getting into the band 301 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: in that's sort of a big kind of way. And 302 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: during that stage of our career, we kept going back 303 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: and forth from England to America to England to America, 304 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: and I remember like we were kind of big in 305 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: England and America didn't quite get it. And I remember 306 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: sort of like our managers brought our record company, the 307 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: people in our record company from America over to England 308 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: to see kind of like what was happening with us there, 309 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: and I remember playing that show in London, and I 310 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: remember like even before we went on, like the audience 311 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: was really rabid and they were pushing, pushing, pushing, and 312 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 1: then we started the first song and they broke the 313 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: barriers and the audience was like coming to the stage 314 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: and that was super exciting but kind of dangerous. We 315 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: had to stop the show and then started again. But 316 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: I remember at that moment like, oh wow, yeah, this 317 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: is really this is really like a really popular thing. 318 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: And it was sort of like the record company, our 319 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: American record company, being in the audience for the side 320 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: of the stage and watching it. I remember looking at 321 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: them and they were shocked, like oh wow, oh okay, 322 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: like oh this is a big band, And it felt 323 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: like a turning point for who we are. 324 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: And what we A light bulb moment for sure. 325 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they saw like, oh my gosh, opportunity. 326 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: You know. 327 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: Oh, a record company wouldn't think that way, Roddy, come 328 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 2: on please. Yeah. So then you went on to co 329 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: found Imperial Team, which was a completely different vibe, more 330 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: pop for sure. How did that shift reflect where you 331 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: were personally and musically at that time? 332 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a big shift for me to sort 333 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: of like we were still doing Faith No More at 334 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: the time, but I think I had recently got sober, 335 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: which was a big change in my life, and a 336 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: lot happened. I write about it in the book, but 337 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: a lot happened all at once. My father passed away, 338 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: Kurt Cobain was a good friend and he passed away, 339 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: and another guy I knew, Cliff, who I had gone 340 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: through sort of rehab with three people through big people 341 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: in my life all passed away within the course of 342 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: like two weeks, and I had recently got sober, and 343 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: it was just sort of like I think it was 344 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: a point in my life about sort of prioritizing things, 345 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: and I don't know, for some reason, I felt like 346 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: I had more to say than just playing the keyboard 347 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: and Faith No More, which is I don't know. I mean, 348 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: there was a it was sort of like an opportunity 349 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: to sort of do something else also, and I did 350 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: that for a while. So it was like possible to 351 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: like continue playing in Faith No War, but to also 352 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: sort of like start my own thing and play a 353 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: different instrument and sing and write songs with people. It 354 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: just felt sort of like something that I needed to 355 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: do in a safe space that I kind of needed 356 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: to be in. I don't I haven't thought about it 357 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: for a while. I mean, I just wrote a book 358 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: a lot and a lot of it's about that sort 359 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: of chapter, but I haven't really spoken about it in 360 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: a whilence. It feels weird to hear myself talking about 361 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: it in those terms, Like I mean, faith No, war 362 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: was not a toxic place to be at all. It was, 363 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: but it was just something I think that I had 364 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: done for quite a while. I had done for like 365 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: you know, coming up on fifteen years, and it just 366 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: felt like sort of I owed it to myself to 367 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: sort of like sing, to be able to express words 368 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: on stage, and to also sort of like try new things. 369 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 1: So that was the opportunity, and it was also an 370 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to sort of like we were in a very 371 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: sort of toxic place in the world in terms of omophobia, 372 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: and it was a good place to be able to 373 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: sing gay lyrics and to be able to sort of 374 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: like share things about us as people as a gay community. 375 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: That felt really strong to me and very honest. It 376 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: felt good at the time. 377 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: Which leads me really to the fact that have you 378 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: seen the music industry take a shift in terms of 379 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: its inclusivity, especially for queer artists. You know, since the 380 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: days that you're referencing, I mean, have you noted the 381 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: shift in terms of the way the industry is. 382 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think absolutely the industry has changed, and people's 383 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: perspectives in terms of like accepting like queer people on 384 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: stage or queer voices out in the world have radically changed. 385 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: Like when I was a kid, Like I talk about 386 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: this in the book too, but when I was a kid, 387 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: I didn't really have any role models. There was really 388 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: no one I could look up to in terms of 389 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: sort of like gay voice in the media. It was 390 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: so shunned and people were so sort of like quiet 391 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: about their homosexuality, and people didn't hear that. People hid that, 392 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, watching that Pee Wee Hermann 393 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: documentary was like, oh my god, like like what he 394 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: went through and what people went through, what we went 395 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: through as a people in that time was so such 396 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: a struggle. It feels like now, more importantly than the 397 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: industry having changed, is like sort of like the consensus 398 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: of the world's sort of perspectives has changed. People are 399 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: way more willing to listen to a queer voice and 400 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: not to be sort of thrown by sort of like 401 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: the difference of that between their own straight voices. I 402 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: think when the industry sort of got on board, which 403 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: is kind of what you were hinting at earlier, it 404 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: was sort of like more than anything. I think queer 405 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: voices and queer sort of like product and queer songs 406 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: were sort of an opportunity. And when it became clear, 407 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: I think to record companies that oh, this was of 408 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: a viable sort of like income channel, then it was 409 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: a lot easier to sort of get on board with 410 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: the queer voice. 411 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: You know. 412 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: There, I was being facetious earlier about it, and then 413 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: it comes back and it's actually a reality. It's not 414 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: my facetiousness seeping through. 415 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: No, not at all. 416 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: So when you sit down at the keys today, what 417 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: inspires you and what's different and you reference it a 418 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: bit earlier as well, what's different than your younger self 419 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: in terms of that inspiration. 420 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: I think I kind of when I make music now, 421 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: I'm sort of specific in what I'm doing. I'm like, 422 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 1: I'm involved in a lot of projects, so I have 423 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot of bands, and I think sort of like 424 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: like Crickets I was talking about earlier is a really 425 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: simple band, Like I approached that with one sort of 426 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: like really simple sort of like spectral sort of like process. 427 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: Like I know, it's really like a simple bassline and 428 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: a simple drum machine and a simple guitar, and I 429 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: think about that sort of like creation or production or 430 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: writing in a very specific way. Imperial Teene is the 431 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: same way a different When we write together, we have 432 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: sort of a go to that's based a lot on 433 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: lyrics that's more sort of lyrically driven. I think, so 434 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: through the lens of maybe sort of words more With 435 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: Imperial Tene, I'm kind of trying to finish this musical now, 436 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: and that's very specific too, and the sort of like 437 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: also very word driven. But it's a way different kind 438 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: of music, you know, And I'm thinking about in terms 439 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: of like what will be on stage at that point, 440 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: like in a musical, and how many instruments will there be. 441 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: I think when I was a kid, I would just 442 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: sit down, like when I was talking about like the piano, 443 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: I would just sit down and just like bang on 444 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: the piano or do whatever I want and create something 445 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: and have no real purpose, just sort of like entertain myself. 446 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: I think the difference now is that I have I 447 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: like sort of like I know what I'm doing a 448 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: little bit more, and I'm really specific. When I sit 449 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: down and start creating, I know that it's going to 450 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: a specific project. 451 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: And what are you listening to now that you can 452 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: share that would be a glimpse into your personal playlist. 453 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I tend to listen to, like, I 454 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: don't know, for a lot of women, A lot of women, 455 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I was raised like by 456 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: three sisters and my mom. Basically my father died when 457 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: I was pretty young, but there's always been a lot 458 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: of women in my life. So I think I was 459 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: just recognizing this the other day. I work at my 460 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: boyfriend's shop, and he has a store here in Provincetown 461 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: called the Old Baby, and I work at it and 462 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: we played music and that's the sort of the one 463 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: thing you get one of the perks of working behind 464 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: the counters. You get to choose the music. And I 465 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: was thinking that the other day, like, why am I 466 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: only playing like women? I was like, that's just what 467 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with. I guess, So I was listening to 468 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: the other day Sarah Mary Chadwick. I don't know if 469 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: you know her. She's from Australia. He's a really intense, 470 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: beautiful songwriter. I love her music so much. I also 471 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: listened the other day to fright Wig, which is an 472 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: old band from San Francisco that was an all women 473 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: band that I really really like a whole lot. Standing 474 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: on the Clams I played too. I really like that band. 475 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: They're sort of from Oakland, Los Angeles, California based. That's 476 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: all I can think of right now. 477 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 2: Some pretty pretty good ones. I don't know them, but 478 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: I love exploring and finding. That's good, finding new new things. 479 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: So it's kid. So in closing, if a musician who's 480 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: fighting to be heard, to stay independent but trying to 481 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: break through in the industry is listening to this podcast, 482 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: what advice would you give them. 483 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: Like a musician, kid, someone that's creating stuff, I'm hoping 484 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: to have some sort of sick sets. Yes, yeah, that's 485 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: a hard one. Like it's so hard right now to 486 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: like go out in the world and sort of like 487 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if we're talking about making money, it's really 488 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: hard to make money. It's hard to break even, especially 489 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: as a band. 490 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: Right now. 491 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: The flip side of that, though, is it's so easy 492 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: to make music without sort of like spending a lot 493 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: of money, which when I was a kid, that wasn't such. 494 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't an opportunity that we had. We weren't able 495 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 1: to sort of like make I mean we did, we 496 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: made music on four tracks, but it was really crappy music. 497 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: It didn't sound so good. But it seems like these 498 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: days it's a lot easier to sort of like sit 499 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: down with the computer and plug stuff in and make 500 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: something that sounds the way you want it to sound. 501 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: The opportunity for sort of creation is a lot more 502 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: cheap these days and a lot more easy, And it 503 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: feels like I think kids know this already, but like 504 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: technology is such a good thing to sort of wrap 505 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: your head around. To be able to record yourself, to 506 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: be able to sort of like create something on your 507 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: own without having to pay someone money or about having 508 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: to sort of go into a studio seems really smart. Also, 509 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: I think it's just sort of like that thing that 510 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: people always say, sort of tenacity and sort of like 511 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: keeping at it and just keeping doing what you're doing 512 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: and being comfortable sort of with the doing. I think 513 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: is really key to sort of like success. And I'm 514 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: talking about success in terms of like making yourself happy 515 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: and getting to a place where you're sort of comfortable 516 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: sort of like and happy and proud of yourself. I'm 517 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: not talking so much about money, and the money part 518 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: is like, I don't know how that works. I mean, 519 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: I think there's accidentally things that happen that sort of 520 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: put you into sort of like a place of sort 521 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: of making money. But like success in terms of happiness, 522 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: it just seems like people are best sort of like 523 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 1: working on their craft and becoming better and better at 524 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: what they do, finding their voices. 525 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: That's a brilliant way to end because I think the 526 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: road to success for so many people is about oh 527 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: I need, you know, to make that money. I need 528 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: the next thing and I subscribe to that. When is 529 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: enough enough in regard to that? How about just pursuing 530 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: it from happiness and creative spirit? 531 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: Right, It's a good place to start anyway. 532 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: Sure is. That's and the Royal We I want to 533 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: congratulate you on that again, your new memoir. You and Roddy. 534 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: It's been so nice to have you on taking a walk. 535 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: I really really appreciate it. 536 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: We thank you so much for having me. It's a 537 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: fun chat. 538 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 539 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 540 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: and follow us so you never miss an episode. 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