1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast, a paranormal podcast network. Your quest 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained ends here. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: We invite you to enjoy all our shows we have 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: on this network, and right now, let's start with The 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: After Life with Sandra sam Play. Welcome to our podcast. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast, am employees of premier networks, or their 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: we we welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Not too 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: long ago, I reached out to our community or Facebook 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: group and asked what kind of interviews or episodes would 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: you like more of? Top of the list was near 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: death experiences, So if you notice there's quite a few 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: with near death experiences, it's because you've asked for them. Also, 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: I've had requests to find out more about physical mediumship 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: and pets in the afterlife. So I feel like I 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: hit the motherload this week because a book has come 26 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: into my possession called When Your Animal Dies by Sylvia Barbonell. 27 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: It was first published in nineteen forty. Sylvia was the 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: wife of Maurice Barbonel, and if you're not familiar with Maurice, 29 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: you may be familiar with the name Silver Birch. There 30 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: is much wisdom that has come through trans mediumship over 31 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: I think it was forty years of this gentleman named 32 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: Maurice Barbanel, and Silver Birch would speak through him, providing 33 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: loads of information about life and the afterlife. So if 34 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: you haven't checked out episodes three and four, I think 35 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: you'll find them pretty fascinating. How Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 36 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: who wrote Sherlock Holmes, gave up Sherlock Holmes when he 37 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: found out about spiritualism and physical mediumships. So it's really incredible. 38 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: The Spiritual Truth Foundation which you can go to Spiritual 39 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: Truth foundation dot org has the most books by Maurice Barbanell, 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: Sylvia Barbonell, the dozens and dozens and dozens of works 41 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: about silver Birch. So I can't recommend that website enough. 42 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely fabulous resource of information, and it's also a great 43 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: place to pick up this book when your animal dies, 44 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: if you're interested. Sylvia Barbonnell and her husband Maurice certainly 45 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: took part in many of these seances, these physical medium 46 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: circles that were held. It was a lot of the 47 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds when these seances were in 48 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: their heyday. And science just means meeting. So if you 49 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: get creeped out by that word, don't let it creep 50 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: you out. Physical mediumship is something that I felt so 51 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: drawn to investigate because if it was to be real, 52 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: it would be the most mind blowing thing we could 53 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: ever consider in the world of the afterlife. If it 54 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: was fake, I needed to know that too. I won't 55 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: go into my path st episodes that I've talked about 56 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: my experiences with physical mediumship, but I can tell you 57 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: it's real. Often completely darkened room, loved ones could speak again, 58 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: they could walk amongst us. While it may seem so 59 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: outrageous here in three. Back in the day, this was 60 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: the predominant kind of mediumship. Families and friends would gather 61 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: in what was called home circles, and they'd sing and 62 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: enjoy each other's company, building the perfect space for the 63 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: spirit world to come through and speak through one of 64 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: them as a medium. Currently, are there a lot of 65 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: physical mediums? I have no idea. I do think in 66 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: the privacy of people's homes they are most definitely practicing 67 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: this kind of mediumship. But it is probably one of 68 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: the most hard to believe forms of mediumships. So I 69 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: think those who are practicing it they keep their mouth shut, 70 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: not wanting to be called out as a fraud. But 71 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: those who have sat in these home circles know that 72 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: it is very, very real. In this book, when your 73 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: Animal Dies, I want to read to you some of 74 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: Sylvia Barbonnell's words, because of course she has attended many 75 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: of these seances, and I think hearing from somebody who 76 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: lived so long ago, and hearing about some of the 77 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: scientists that investigated, may help you think that even though 78 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: presently this seems hard to believe, this was reality back 79 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: in the day. I know if you've listened a while. 80 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: You've heard me talk to Scott Milligan. You have heard 81 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: him speaking in a trance state. You've heard a old 82 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: English voice speaking through him named Eric. Scott is a 83 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: physical medium that I know well, and I've sat with 84 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: him several dozen times in these saying aces, and I 85 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: have witnessed the most miraculous things. So it is real. 86 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: You can see Scott every now and again. He will 87 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: be in Europe, or he's coming to the United States 88 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: in March of New Orleans, and you can experience one 89 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: of these seances. In the future, we'll have more, but 90 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: as COVID and sickness and viruses are still heavy on 91 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: planet Earth, I'm going to hold off a little while 92 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: before holding more live events. So how about I get 93 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: reading from Sylvia Barbonnell's book When your Animal Dies, man 94 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: survives death. He also retains his individuality, consciousness, character, and memory. 95 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: This has been proven up to the hilt. It has 96 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: been attested by men of such high scientific standing as 97 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: Sir Oliver Lodge, Sir William Crooks, Dr Alfred Russell Wallace, 98 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: and other people of imp teachable integrity in all ranks 99 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: of life. It is outside my province to enumerate the 100 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: wealth of evidence demonstrating man's survival. There are dozens of 101 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: volumes filled with incontestable proofs. My purpose is to deal 102 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: with its implications. Since human beings survived, so for the 103 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: same reasons, must animals live after death. For over twenty years, 104 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: I have attended hundreds of sciences. Again and again I 105 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: have communicated with the so called dead, who, to my 106 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: complete satisfaction, have proved their continued existence. It is impossible 107 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: for a science to take place without the presence of 108 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: a human medium, that is, a person who possesses psychic gifts. 109 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: But whether or not we are aware of it, most 110 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: of us have a certain amount of mediumistic power, which 111 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: can be increased and developed in our own homes. Thousands 112 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: of ordinary people hold regular sciences home circles, as they 113 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: are called, in order to stimulate their latent psychic faculties. 114 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: Many well known mediums have discovered their gifts this way. 115 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: Mediums can be compared with wireless receivers. Our ears, because 116 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: their range of hearing is limited, are unable to register 117 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: the delicate sound waves that are caught by wireless sets. Mediums, 118 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: because they are sensitive, are able to tune into a 119 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: range of subtle vibrations that are lost to our normal hearing. 120 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: I have heard newcomers to spiritualism say, why should I 121 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: have to talk to a medium? If I want to 122 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: talk to my dead husband, why can't he talk to 123 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: me direct? The answer is that if one's husband were 124 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: in another country, he would still have to use a medium, 125 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: though not a human one. If he wanted to communicate, 126 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: he would use as his medium a telephone, telegraph, radio, 127 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: or whatever means were available. This analogy applies to those 128 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: who have passed to another sphere of existence. If they 129 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: want to communicate with us, they must have channels for 130 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: their messages. Mediums are the human instruments necessary for this purpose. 131 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: I have attended scores of seances where I have heard 132 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: the living and the dead carry on everyday conversations. I 133 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: have also been present at the most touching and moving 134 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: reunions between the dead and the ones left behind who 135 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: are still linked to them by the bonds of love 136 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: and friendship. Some spirit communicators whom I have heard were 137 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: on earth of exalted rank, some who have proved their survival, 138 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: or scientists, theologians, cultured men and women. I have heard 139 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: the voices of the dead men whose names remain household words, 140 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: although they themselves have left the world which they enriched 141 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: with their knowledge. In contrast with the famous ones who 142 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: have returned from beyond, I have witnessed moving reunions between 143 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: the most humble and ordinary men and women and their 144 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: loved ones. Perhaps these have been the most poignant of all. 145 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: The seance room becomes life's theater, where tragedy and joy, 146 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: humor and pathos all mingle and play their parts. Through mediumship, 147 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: I have witnessed many miracles which were merely the manifestations 148 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: of supernormal yet natural laws. I have seen and spoken 149 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: with my brother since his passing. His solid form took 150 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: shape before my eyes. He made himself visible using a 151 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: substance known as ectoplasm, a kind of white, vaporish stuff 152 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: which exudes from mediums at seances. It is partly physical 153 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: and partly ethereal ectoplasm is visible. It has also been 154 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: handled by many scientists. This substance is used by the 155 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: dead when they wished to build a reproduction of their 156 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: earthly bodies for the purpose of recognition. These forms do 157 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily look like the conventional ghosts of popular fiction. 158 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: They seem as solid as you and I with ordinary 159 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: flesh and blood features. This form of mediumship is known 160 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: as materialization. When my brother, who passed over in the 161 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: Great War, appeared at one of these seances, he called 162 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: me by name and then took my hand in his own. 163 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: It was not the cold, clammy hand of the traditional ghost. 164 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: It was warm and human. My brother solved with a 165 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: few short sentences of fifteen year old mystery concerning his passing. 166 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: It was a problem that had completely puzzled all of 167 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: his family because of the contradictory statements that had been 168 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: made at the time of his death. I'm not going 169 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: to read the whole account she has about the information 170 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: from her brother because it's kind along and I want 171 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: to get into talking about the animals. But one thing 172 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: that was very interesting is during the science the brother, 173 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: in his materialized hand wrote a letter to the sister 174 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: that she compared to his writing, and the writing was identical. 175 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: The medium herself, which was Helen Duncan, very famous physical medium, 176 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: had never met the brother or seen his handwriting, or 177 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: had any possession of any of his letters. So I 178 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: find all of this very cool, giving me goose bumps 179 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: right now. And we're going to explore more. When we 180 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: come back from the break, we'll talk a little bit 181 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: more about her talk of the science room, and then 182 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: we'll get into the animals. Okay, so let's take a 183 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back. You're listening to Shades 184 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast 185 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: to Coast, a m paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to 186 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and I am 187 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: reading from the book When Your Animal Dies by Sylvia Barbonell. 188 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: And at last we heard her brother came through during 189 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: one of these seances. His materialized hand wrote a letter 190 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: for the sister in his exact handwriting pretty incredible. Can 191 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: you hear it in my voice that I'm excited to 192 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: share this with you. We both get to learn together. 193 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: So I'm going to keep reading. Okay, Sylvia says, you 194 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: may perhaps it exclaim what nonsense. I have never heard 195 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: such fantastic claims. I don't believe this. Nevertheless, it's true 196 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: evidence of survival is available to most of us who 197 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: seek for the truth in earnest sincerity and with minds 198 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: unhampered by prejudice and creed bound superstitions. Since the physicists 199 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: revolutionary discovery that the atom could be split. Science has 200 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: in recent years been forced to abandon many of its 201 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: claims as to the indestructibility of matter. There is today 202 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: no scientists of repute who would deny that matter as 203 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: a solid substance is a kind of illusion. The physicists 204 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: have demonstrated that matter really consists of a collection of 205 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: particles charged with electricity. Our physical makeup must there for 206 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: be considered in terms of electronic radiations. Are apparently solid bodies, 207 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: as well as the seemingly solid furniture we use in 208 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: everyday life, can be disintegrated and transformed into non material substances. 209 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: The honest scientist must follow truth wherever it may lead. 210 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Matter is indestructible. Though a piece of paper can be burned, 211 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: it cannot be destroyed only the form is changed. Even 212 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: the ashes may be resolved into chemicals. One cannot make 213 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: something into nothing. It is true to say that matter 214 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: is eternal. Again, the secret of life cannot be explained 215 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: in material terms. As matter is indestructible, it is logical 216 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: to assume that life, too is indestructible. There is no 217 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: reason why life should cease merely because its material instrument 218 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: has ceased to function. Actually, death is due to the 219 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: fact that life has withdrawn it now functions on another 220 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: plane of existence. This is proved by the fact that 221 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,239 Speaker 1: again and again those who have passed on have returned 222 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: to prove that death has not robbed them of their individuality. 223 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: The eminent scientist Sir Oliver Lodge once declared, my hypothesis 224 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: is that they, the dead, are all around about us 225 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: and what we call the ether of space, rather than 226 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: in matter, that inter communion is still possible. It is 227 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: well to remember that we are immortal spirits in temporary 228 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: association with matter. Probably it is through this bodily restriction 229 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: and isolation that we become individualized and acquire permanent personality, 230 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: which hereafter is able to adapt itself to new surroundings 231 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: in accordance with the well studied biological adaptability of the 232 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: rest of animate existence. What part of the individual returns 233 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: from the other side of the grave to demonstrate and 234 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: prove this greatest of all truths. Spiritualists know that it 235 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: is the indestructible spirit whose cast off physical body is 236 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: no longer needed in a new phase of existence. The 237 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: individual who once functioned through the now discarded massive radiation. 238 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: The body is the same person after he or she 239 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: has passed over. Death has changed neither the character nor 240 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: the personality. This fact is demonstrated in seance rooms all 241 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: over the world. The dead constantly return to prove that 242 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: they are the same ones we knew and loved before 243 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: they passed into a larger and fuller life. Human beings, 244 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: in common with their lesser brethren, belong to the animal kingdom. 245 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: They have common ancestry, although they have progressed along different lines, 246 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: the same tree of evolution has borne their separate branches. 247 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: Ignoring at this stage all of the psychic evidence which 248 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: supports the facts of animal survival, let us examine the 249 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: case in the light of reason alone. First, take the 250 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: purely physical aspect. It is known that the cells of 251 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: the human body are no different in composition from those 252 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: that make up the body of an animal. But if 253 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: man has progressed in a more specialized way in the 254 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: path of evolution, it does not mean that animals are 255 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: entirely outside this mental zone. Because of their close association 256 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: with human beings, domestic animals have a quired or caught 257 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: some of man's individuality, consciousness, and personality. Has not. The 258 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: dog developed such qualities as love, sympathy, trust, and loyalty. 259 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: He often exhibits high intelligence, and in addition to his 260 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: animal instinct, he has also developed reasoning power to a 261 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: marked degree. The domestic animal can express such human qualities 262 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: as pleasure and joy, as well as dislike and mistrust. 263 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, only the domestic animals who have acquired human 264 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: qualities through their contact with man return to demonstrate their 265 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: individual survival of death. Untamed creatures and animals who have 266 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: not lived amongst us as friends and pets also survived death, 267 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: Since the same natural law operates for all living beings, 268 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: but there is a difference in the quality of their survival. 269 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: We are told by those who have communicated from beyond 270 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: that non domestic animals survive as a part of a 271 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: group or herd, soul of the species. Mind, character, and 272 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: individuality are the human qualities that survived death and continue 273 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: to find expression in another form of existence. The animals 274 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: have also acquired similar aspects of consciousness. They too, continue 275 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: to exist as individuals after their physical bodies composed of 276 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: cells like our own, have perished. Often, as on Earth, 277 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: the animal has to seek create of a human before 278 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: he can return to Earth to his earthly owners. As 279 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: in the case of humans, love bridges the gap between 280 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: two worlds. Many a sad human heart has been comforted 281 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: by the knowledge that the mourned animal friend still lives on. 282 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna come up for a breath of 283 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: air before continuing on. In Sylvia's next several chapters, she 284 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: gets into the intelligence of the animal Kingdom, and some 285 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: of what she writes is pretty mind blowing to me. 286 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: How they tested the intelligence of dogs and horses, and 287 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: how they could reason. And it's stuff that we don't 288 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: hear too much about. I know, we see a YouTube 289 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: video or a video on Facebook now and again about 290 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: the intelligence of animals, but she goes into it in 291 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: great depth, just how intelligent they are, and any of 292 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: us who have owned a cat, I think we really 293 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: know how intelligent they are. There's a lot of parrots 294 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: that do so many highly intelligent things. She also has 295 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: a chapter dedicated to animals who care for their owners, 296 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: meaning the love the animal feels for their owners, how 297 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: they protect them, instances of animals saving human beings, things 298 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: like that. She also goes into psychic pets. We've heard 299 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: it before, haven't we How pets can look up at 300 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: a corner of a room and maybe they see something 301 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: from beyond, and other things that pets can know psychically. 302 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: She also has a wonderful chapter about how animals can 303 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: find their way back home. I'm going to read you 304 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: a quick story before we go on. On the outbreak 305 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: of war, Mr G. Jenkin motored his wife and family 306 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: from their home to a new home about one and 307 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: eighty miles away. They were accompanied by Peter, their Siamese cat. 308 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: Ten days later, Peter disappeared from his new home and 309 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: reappeared in his old home. His owner told a newspaper 310 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: reporter that the cat was not hungry when he arrived. Evidently, 311 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: Peter the cat was fed up with evacuation and he 312 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: walked home. And here's another one. A news chronicle contributor 313 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: told how a cat was sent a distance of sixty 314 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: miles away from her owner's home in Cumberland Village. The 315 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: animal traveled in a covered van. A few days after 316 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: arriving at her new destination, three kittens were born. On 317 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: the following week, cat and kittens disappeared. Three weeks later. 318 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: The mother cat and her complete family arrived in the 319 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: old Cumberland home. The writer said how she traveled with 320 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: them is a complete mystery. The kittens were only able 321 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: to crawl, and she could have not carried them more 322 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: than one at a time, and still they arrived safely, 323 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: traveling sixty miles. Referring to the fact that hundred of 324 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: cats live on the sea, the same newspaper pointed out 325 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: that they rarely missed their ships, although they go ashore 326 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: in different ports all over the world. Ships cats seemed 327 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: to develop a remarkable sixth cents. When the ship is 328 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: in port, they often go ashore, but they know when 329 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: it is time for the ship to go out to 330 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: sea again. Mr J. Ford, who lives at mill Hill 331 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: near London, gave an instance of one of these seafaring 332 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: cats to the News Chronicle. Tabby lived on board, but 333 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: it did not matter. If the ship went into a 334 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: port for only half an hour, the cat would be 335 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: the first ashore. She never once missed, rejoining the ship 336 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: before it sailed. Sometimes we would be in port for 337 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: a week, said Mr Ford, and we would not see 338 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: her for the whole time, but just before sailing she 339 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: would trot up the dock. That reminds me of a 340 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: story a cat escaped from a motor home in the 341 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: Daytona International Speedway during one of their events. It took 342 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: some months, but the cat found its way back to 343 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: New Jersey to the home where it lived in with 344 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: its owners. That's over a thousand mile journey. Pets are miraculous. 345 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: So it's time for our next break and then we'll 346 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: be back with more. You're listening to Shades of the 347 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 348 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 349 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are reading When Your Animal 350 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: Dies by Sylvia Barbara Now, first published in nineteen forty. 351 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: This chapter is titled How They Return. All kinds of 352 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: domestic pets have returned after death and given unchallengeable proofs 353 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: of their continued existence in another sphere. In addition to 354 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: these higher animals, even some of the more lowly creatures 355 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: have also returned to demonstrate the fact that they still live. 356 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: They have manifested their survival through different channels of mediumship. 357 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: Scores of animals have been described by mediums to their 358 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: owners at public spiritualist meetings. Sometimes the spirit descriptions have 359 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: come as surprises to members of the audience who had gone, 360 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: perhaps with the thought of getting a message from a 361 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: dead relative or friend. They have been nonetheless delighted by 362 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: the unexpected joy of a description of a dead pet. 363 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: At private sittings with mediums, many persons have received roof 364 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: of the continued survival of their pets. Dead pets have 365 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: returned to their delighted owners. At seances held in the 366 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: privacy of the home where no professional medium has been present. 367 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: By the means of psychic photography, animals who have passed 368 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: over have reproduced their likenesses on photographic plates in the 369 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: same way as hundreds of humans have done. I believe 370 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: that dead animals are helped by spirit people to give 371 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: proof of their survival in more or less the same 372 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: way as dead children are assisted by older and more 373 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: experienced people. Even on Earth, this is usual for children 374 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: and animals need more help than adults. At materialization seances, 375 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: the sitters have seen and felt solid forms of animals 376 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: who have reproduced their earthly bodies using ectoplasmic substance drawn 377 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: from the medium. Some psyche kicks are voice mediums by 378 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: means of an ectoplasmic larynx. The dead speak in a 379 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: reproduction of their earthly voices, which can be recognized by 380 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: those who knew them. Often at these seances, a light 381 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: trumpet a cone shaped megaphone is placed in the room, 382 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: and this is used by the spirits to amplify their voices. 383 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: The trumpet usually floats in the air. It is attached 384 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: to the medium by psychic rods invisible to the physical eye. 385 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: If a seance is held in the dark, part of 386 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: the trumpet is treated with luminous paint so that its 387 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: movements can be followed. The dexterity displayed by the spirit 388 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: operators and moving the trumpet in the dark in a 389 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: crowded room is a source of wonder to me. Although 390 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: we ourselves cannot see, the trumpet will move unerringly to 391 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: the person to whom the spirit wishes to speak. Sometimes 392 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: the spirit operator will make remarkable movements with the trumpet 393 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: that could not be done without difficulty by earthly people. 394 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes the trumpet will touch the ceiling and in a 395 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: split second it will be seen on the floor. These 396 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: gymnastics in the dark are sometimes done by spirit intelligences 397 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: to convince an honest skeptic that supernormal power is functioning. 398 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: One of the usual taunts directed against spiritualism by our 399 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 1: opponents is that seances are held in the dark and 400 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: that this condition enables the mediums to produce fraudulent phenomena. Actually, 401 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: the majority of seances do not take place in the dark. 402 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: White light is destructive to certain types of physical phenomena, 403 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: such as materialization and direct voice. These seances, therefore, are 404 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: either held in red light or incomplete darkness except for 405 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: the luminous trumpet. This can be easily understood when it 406 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: is recognized that these phenomena are similar to the processes 407 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: of birth. The German nation of life takes place in 408 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: the dark. Seeds have to be planted in the darkness 409 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: of the earth. It is in the absence of light 410 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: that they can begin their growth. In the same manner, 411 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: the growth of the human and animal embryo takes place 412 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 1: in the darkness of the body. Remember also that wireless 413 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: reception is more successful during nighttime. White light has a 414 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: deletarious effect on photographic plates, which can only be developed 415 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: in the dark or red light. In any case, it 416 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: is neither the presence nor the absence of light at 417 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: a sitting that matters it is the evidence received that 418 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: is the only test. I have attended hundreds of physical 419 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: phenomena seances, many of which have been held in good 420 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: red light. I have been present at direct voice seances 421 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: where the barking of a dead dog has been recognized 422 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: by a sitter as the characteristic sound made by the 423 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: animal on earth. Often after a dog has thus greeted 424 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: his owner through the trumpet, the spirit guide in charge 425 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: of the proceedings has volunteered evidence about the animal that 426 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: has given the sitter further proofs of his identity. Every 427 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: well developed medium has a spirit guide or control. At 428 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: direct voice seances, the guide helps the spirit people to 429 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: speak when they are in difficulty. During tramp sittings, a 430 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: guide will speak through the lips of the medium, whose 431 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,959 Speaker 1: own consciousness is temporarily laid aside. The medium's body and 432 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: actions are thus fully controlled by the guide. It will 433 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: be appreciated that only highly evolved spirits are elected to 434 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: act in this capacity. Their function is to protect the medium, 435 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: to be a kind of a doorkeeper for all of 436 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: the spirit people who have come within the medium's orbit. 437 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: In addition to a guide, a psychic will sometimes have 438 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: one or more spirit controls, whereas guides are highly evolved beings, 439 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: controls are selected for their ability to cooperate with the 440 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: guide in producing psychic manifestations. We have had in our 441 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: home circle many different forms of psychic phenomena. In fact, 442 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: at one time or another, we have experienced nearly all 443 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: of the gifts of the spirit that are referred to 444 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: in the Bible, trance control, clairvoyance, materialization, and direct voice. 445 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes during materialization phenomena, we would hear the sound of 446 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: a dead dog's tail thumping on the floor in a 447 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: delight realistic way. When we greeted him, Dear Old Bent, 448 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: the medium's husband would say to his dead pet, and thump, thump, thump, 449 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: went the tail excitedly in response to the welcome. Sometimes 450 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: he would rub his head against his owner's leg. The 451 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: medium's cat, Mickey, simultaneously with the dog, would also demonstrate 452 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: his materialized presence by scratching with his claws on the carpet. 453 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: This sound was similar to that made by any ordinary 454 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: earthly cat. Fortunately for the owner of the carpet, the 455 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: effect was not disastrous. During some of our sittings, we 456 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: have heard the chirping of a materialized bird. The sound 457 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: of its fluttering wings could be heard as it flew 458 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: about the room. Sometimes it would come to rest and 459 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: perch near one of the sitters. There is a rather 460 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: touching story attached to the first arrival of the spirit 461 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: bird in our sciance him. Although the circle has been rearranged, 462 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: at one time, the seances used to take place at 463 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: the home of a medium, a gifted, cultured woman through 464 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 1: whose splendid psychic powers we received most of our physical phenomena. 465 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: One evening, when we arrived at the house in time 466 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: for the weekly sittings, we found a somewhat tearful and 467 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: sad medium. She and her husband had been for a 468 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: walk during the afternoon and picked up a fledgling which 469 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: was lying injured on the ground. Apparently it had fallen 470 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: from its nest. They took the bird home and did 471 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: what they could to preserve its life, but despite their efforts, 472 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: it soon died. Regretfully, they made an improvised coffin in 473 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: which they placed the tiny bird. They buried it in 474 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: their garden and covered the grave with leaves. The tender 475 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: hearted medium then said a prayer for the soul of 476 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: the fledgling, whose earthly life they had been una able 477 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: to save. This little ceremony had just completed when my 478 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: husband and I arrived at the house. Later, we went 479 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: to the seance room for our usual sitting. After the 480 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: medium had gone into trance, we were surprised to hear 481 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: the unmistakable chirping of a young bird and the fluttering 482 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: of its wings. We were all very happy when the 483 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: spirit guide in charge of the circle spoke to us 484 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: afterwards and explained what had happened. He told us that 485 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: the love showered on the fledgling and the sincere prayers 486 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: made on its behalf had called forth from the soul 487 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: of the bird an individual consciousness. The guide said, because 488 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: of this human contact, the spirit of the bird was 489 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: able to manifest in the materialized body that had returned 490 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: to say thank you. The bird often manifested at subsequent 491 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 1: sittings with the dog and the cat. It was always 492 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: a welcome visitor. Scores of well known people have been 493 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: invited at different times to attend our home circle. These people, 494 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: whose integrity and intelligence are beyond question, have testified to 495 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: the truths of the physical phenomena they have witnessed. Just 496 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: when I had finished this chapter, I went to one 497 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: of the most remarkable voice stances I had ever attended. 498 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: The evidence simply poured through the medium was mister Kenneth Hillberry. 499 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: In addition to personal proofs, I witnessed Mr Alfred Timpson, 500 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: one of the sitters, received unexpected evidence of the survival 501 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: of his dog through the trumpet. The medium's Indian guide, 502 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: White Fox, addressed Mr Timpson, there is a dog here 503 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: for you. He said. His name is Rough. He is 504 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: a black sheep dog. You brought him home from school. 505 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: This was acknowledged by the sitter to be perfectly correct. 506 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: He told me after the seance that he had never 507 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: met the medium before and was almost overwhelmed with this 508 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: and further evidence of survival he had received that night. 509 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: He said that when he was a schoolboy, he picked 510 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: up a stray puppy and took it home. The puppy, 511 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: a black sheep dog, was named Rough and passed over 512 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: several years ago. Time for our next break. When we 513 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: come back, we're going to hear more about animals appearing 514 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: in the seance room. And I also want you to 515 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: hear a few words from my friend Nick. Nick and 516 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: his partner Stephen ran the Bannion Retreat Center where I 517 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: had my very first experience with physical mediumship. Amazing story. 518 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: We'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 519 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am 520 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 521 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm Sander Champlain. What I'd like to do now is 522 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: let you hear just a few words from Nick Widham, 523 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: who had run the Bannion Retreat Center in the UK 524 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: for many years holding physical medium seances. He first started 525 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: with his partner Stephen and Scott Milligan was the demonstrating medium. 526 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: I got to attend Bannion Retreat back in two thousand 527 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: sixteen and I was hooked. So I took many three 528 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: thousand mile trips to be part of these extraordinary experiences. 529 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: Sadly Bannion Retreat closed its doors when COVID hit, but 530 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: good news for us they still run some events online, 531 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: like their Sunday Soul Quest service. You might enjoy it. 532 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: Nick is also the person behind the Spiritual Truth Foundation 533 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: and volunteers much of his time getting some of the 534 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: old books like the one I'm reading to today published 535 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: and back out in the world. I can't recommend it enough. 536 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: Spiritual Truth Foundation dot org and you can also check 537 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: out Bannion Retreat dot com. So this next minute is 538 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: just a clip from when I interviewed Nick on my 539 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: first podcast, We Don't Die Radio. This is episode one 540 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: eight nine. Just a minute as he talks about his 541 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: dog in the spirit world. We invited David Thompson to 542 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: come and work here or a good number of years ago, 543 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: and on the first day that he arrived, we we 544 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: have a very large German shepherd who weighed about fifty 545 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: about and on the first day that that he was here, 546 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: unfortunately our poor little dog or poor large dog past 547 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: the spirit world. In the seance the following evening, he 548 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: materialized right in the middle of the room, walked over, 549 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: barked at me, walked over, barked at Stephen, and then 550 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 1: what turned around and walked back into the cabinet. And 551 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: as emotional as that was, no way could anybody have 552 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: produced that on their own. It had to have been him. 553 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: We knew how he walked on that floor, we knew 554 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: how he moved around, and it was the most comfortent 555 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: piece of evidence that I've ever experienced. I know. That 556 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: was short but sweet, because it is a modern day 557 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 1: tale of what can been in a physical medium science 558 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: with pets. I'd like to continue reading now a bit 559 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: more from Sylvia Barbonnel's book When Your Animal Dies. I 560 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: have attended many direct voice sittings held by Mrs Estelle Roberts, 561 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: the famous medium whose psychic gifts have done so much 562 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: to convince skeptics of the truths of survival. At one 563 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: of these seances, I heard a dead retriever named Lawn 564 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: greet his owner, Doctor Margaret Vivian by barking through the trumpet. 565 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: Dr Vivian has had many interesting psychic experiences in connection 566 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: with this intelligent dog, who passed on in nineteen eighteen. 567 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 1: Lawn has demonstrated his continued existence to his owner by 568 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: varying methods and through different channels of mediumship. Dr Vivian 569 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: has told in Psychic News how she received news of 570 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: the dog a few months after his passing by means 571 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 1: of a plan chet operated by an acquaintance. She had 572 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 1: a spirit communicator from a great friend who had passed on. 573 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: This communicator, whom she calls f R, said to her, 574 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: I have your dog. It cannot find a way to 575 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: communicate with you directly. I want you to know that 576 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: death is not the end of all. Whenever you have 577 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: the sense of needing him, your dog answers. Dr Vivian 578 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: asked f R where her dog was. He replied, I 579 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: have him. He is with you often. In time you 580 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: will realize it and respond in every way as you 581 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: already do in your heart. He will survive until you 582 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: also come here, and after quite special care is taken 583 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: of your dog and of others by those who, like myself, 584 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: have always loved them. He went on to say, I 585 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,439 Speaker 1: am Lawn's guardian. Always. He is with you in all 586 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: that matters, and always will be. Have no fear of 587 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: his ever losing you. Though you have for the time 588 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: lost him, it is merely temporary. Dr Vivian said that 589 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: she asked f R to help her find a medium 590 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: through whose power the dog would be able to show 591 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: his materialized form. Several years later, she says, through two 592 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: different mediums, I saw my dogs materialized form for a 593 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: few fleeting seconds, and felt his feathery tail beating against 594 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: my knees. The spirits controlling these manifestations told of the 595 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: great difficulty they explained in getting a dog to hold 596 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: the form. Dr Vivian explains Lawn is a black retriever, 597 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,399 Speaker 1: and white dogs are easier to see in the dim 598 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: red light of the materialization seance. If ectoplasm is not 599 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: competently held to other by this spirit form using it, 600 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: the body crumples up and the form has to be 601 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: built up again. Referring to the effect of the human 602 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: affection on Lawn's condition. On the other side, Dr Vivian 603 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 1: records that f R said, Lawn's high standard of spiritual health, 604 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: the wide measure of freedom your dog has now attained 605 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: is due to your unrestrained affection for him, which gave 606 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,399 Speaker 1: him a greater consciousness and courage. Various animals have manifested 607 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: their presence at materialization sciences held by the famous Polish 608 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: medium Franic Clusky. The mediumship of this cultured man of 609 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,439 Speaker 1: many artistic accomplishments has been investigated by well known scientists. 610 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: There is a considerable amount of literature concerning the psychic 611 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: powers of this medium. In describing the materializations at the 612 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: Clusky sittings, Professor polt Ski says in psychic science the 613 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,280 Speaker 1: most frequent visitors of the animal variety are squirrels, dogs 614 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: and cats. On one occasion, a lion appeared and on 615 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: another a large bird like a hawk or a buzzard. 616 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: He goes on to say that the animals behaved in 617 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: a perfectly natural way. He describes how he saw the 618 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: materialized form of a dog running about, wagging his tail, 619 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 1: jumping on the laps, and licking the faces of sitters 620 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 1: and responding to the more or less universal code used 621 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: among people with trained dogs. The professor also speaks of 622 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: the buzzard, which could fly around the room, beating its 623 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: materialized wings against the walls and the ceiling. She also 624 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: refers to an Afghan who used to materialize at some 625 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: of Klusky's seances and would bring with him an animal 626 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: who seemed like a mameless lion. The animal would lick 627 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: the city rs with the moist and prickly tongue and 628 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: gave forth the odor of a great feline, And even 629 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: after the seance, the sitters and especially the medium, were 630 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: impregnated with this acrid scent, as if they had made 631 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: a long stay in a menagerie among wild beasts. Perhaps 632 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: the object was to prove that all living creatures survived 633 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: and retained their characteristics. With another medium named Gooseck, Mrs 634 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: Mackenzie tells how Sir Oliver Lodge, Professor Charles Rochet, doctor 635 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: Gustav Gelsey, and other scientific investigators all recorded careful impression 636 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: of what seemed the manifestation of an animal like a dog, 637 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: which fondled some of the sitters and pushed its nose 638 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: into their pockets. This highly intelligent woman, who has had 639 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 1: a vast and varied experience of all kinds of psychic phenomena, says, 640 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: if great animals appear, such as have been seen at 641 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: the Clusky seances on occasion, then we must reasonably suppose 642 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: that domestic animals, so often dearly loved, are at times 643 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: not far from their owners. Although opportunities for objective manifestation 644 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: may be lacking, there are hundreds of well attested cases 645 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: of persons seeing, hearing, feeling, and sensing the presence of 646 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: deceased pets in the ordinary home surroundings. The behavior of 647 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: other animals has also seemed to indicate a knowledge of 648 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: unseen companions. One dog once materialized sufficiently enough at a 649 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: seance to bite the shoelaces and trousered legs of his owner. 650 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,359 Speaker 1: A well known medium, mister Charles Glover Bothham, used to 651 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: hold a materialization home circle where on a Asian. The 652 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: sitters were very surprised when a materialized form of a 653 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,879 Speaker 1: large dog suddenly appeared. He bounded forward in the most 654 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,280 Speaker 1: energetic manner and proceeded to jump excitedly about the circle, 655 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: wagging his tail happily. He ran from one sitter to another, 656 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: resting his paws on their knees and sometimes licking a 657 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 1: hand or face. The animal seemed to thoroughly enjoy the 658 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: amount of affection and interest displayed by the members of 659 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 1: the circle, most of whom were great animal lovers. But 660 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,719 Speaker 1: the crowning point of this remarkable psychic demonstration was yet 661 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: to come. This happened when the dog ran to a 662 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,280 Speaker 1: bowl of water that was always provided at the seances 663 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: for psychic purposes. Often at this type of sitting, water 664 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: is placed in the room. It is said to aid 665 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: in the conditions because it contains psychic energy. The materialized 666 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: animal proceeded to lap up the water eagerly and noisily, 667 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,960 Speaker 1: as though the excitement had made him thirsty. Afterwards, the 668 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,879 Speaker 1: bowl was found to be completely empty. There was not 669 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: a drop of spilled water to be seen anywhere. I 670 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: could go on and on, but our time together is short. 671 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: I have just read a sampling of this great book. 672 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: So whether you check it out on Amazon or you 673 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: go to the Spiritual Truth of Foundation dot org, check 674 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: out the book When Your Animal Dies by Sylvia Barbonel. 675 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,319 Speaker 1: You can get it on kindle. Also, whether it's your 676 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,879 Speaker 1: pets or your loved ones, please know that they live 677 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 1: on and you will too. Don't forget. Come join us 678 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: that We Don't Die dot com, whether for a class 679 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: and mediumship or for our free Sunday gathering, you won't recredit. 680 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain. In a big, warm thank you for 681 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,959 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 682 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:29,760 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Thanks 683 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: for listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 684 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: Coast A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check 685 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: out all our shows on the I Heart Radio app 686 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: or by going to I heart radio dot com