1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: August eighth, nineteen sixty nine. In just six days, a 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: school teacher and his wife, sitting at their kitchen table 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: broke the zodiac cipher. Donald G. Harding and his wife 4 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: Betty thought, hey, you know this thing was published in 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Chronicle. This might be kind of fun. 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: Why don't we give it a shot and see if 7 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: we can solve it. Well, Donald went to work on 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: it immediately. He had a little hobby of trying to, 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, decode things, and Betty had the idea that 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: if this person was a killer, the word kill or 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: killing should be in there. So let's look for two 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: symbols that are alike and those are probably l's and 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: then we'll go from there putting these words together. So 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: in just about twenty hours they solved this thing. And 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: one of the things that Donald G. Harding said, he 16 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 1: noticed that the spelling of this person was very poor, 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: which kind of cracked me up because I thought, well, 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: good lord, you can take the teacher out of the classroom, 19 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: but not the teacher out of the teacher. He's going 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: to zero in that this person is not a good speller. 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: But again, it was Betty that knew to look for 22 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: what they called the cribs, the words that are suspected 23 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: to be in the cipher, something that you know should 24 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: be in there. That was the first time in my 25 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: life that I remember that a civilian helped law enforcement 26 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: crack a case. Now, I didn't learn about this till 27 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: years later. It was nineteen seventy five and my fifth 28 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: grade teacher, Miss Anderson, knowing you know that I had 29 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: such a fascination with famous crimes, we were talking about 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Zodiac and she told me, hey, it was a teacher 31 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: that cracked that code. Well, I was dumbfounded because I was, like, 32 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: a teacher, you know, how can this be. The more 33 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: I learned, obviously, it began to make sense to me 34 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: that the more people that were involved in something, and 35 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: the more varied their background, probably the more chance you 36 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: had of solving something. I mean, let's face it, that's 37 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: the reason wanted posters work, because no matter who saw 38 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: that poster of that wanted person, whether they were a preacher, 39 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: stay at home mom, a cowboy, a firefighter, they had 40 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: a chance of spotting that person. You know, an inmate 41 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: escapes and are on the run, or any fugitive. It's 42 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: the general public that can help become an eyewitness and 43 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: spot that person and be involved ultimately in their capture. 44 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: So even though on the surface I knew civilians could 45 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: be involved with cases, it was only really as an 46 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: eye witness. I never really understood until then that they 47 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: could be instrumental in helping law enforcement solve these cases. 48 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: So Zodiac was a turning point for me the way 49 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: that I would look at cases from then on. So 50 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: I recently had a chance to go to a true 51 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: crime convention in Rogers, Arkansas. When I was there, I 52 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: learned about a cold case of a lady by the 53 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: name of Ernestine Andredge, and she lived on fifteenth Street 54 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: and she was killed in nineteen ninety five on Halloween Knight. 55 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Well that kind of got my attention because Rogers is 56 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: this small town. It's beautiful, friendly, the setting is unbelievable 57 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: because you go through the ozarts to get there, and 58 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: those mountains are so picturesque. And then a few other 59 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: things that stuck out about this case for me was 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: there was a carnival in town a few blocks away. Well, 61 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: you know that always gives everybody a red flag because 62 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people believe that these carnival workers are 63 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: all criminals trying to escape from somewhere then go to 64 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: the next town and blend in, and go to the 65 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: next town and blend in, and by the time their 66 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: crimes are maybe discovered, there's several cities and towns away. 67 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: Ernestine had multiple stab wounds to her chest and abdomen. 68 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: She struggled with the assailant, but of course there was 69 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: never a murder weapon found. There was never any alle witnesses. 70 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: Nobody really came forward that had a reason for this 71 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: to occur. While I'm in that town, I thought, well, 72 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna run over to fifteenth Street kind of see 73 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: what I can see. And then I had a chance 74 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: to talk with the detective over the case, and I'm like, 75 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm here in the town. I mean, I 76 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: just want to talk to you about it. And he said, look, 77 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: you can already tell the house sitting there. Anymore apartments 78 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: have been built where the house was. He said, the 79 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: streets are the same, but a whole lot, that entire 80 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: block looks different. And I understand that, and I thought, man, 81 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: there's just got to be more. There's got to be 82 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: maybe a way to reach out to the children or 83 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: see if I can help him in some way. I mean, 84 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: I offer different experts and that sort of thing, but 85 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: he was very clear that at this moment he didn't 86 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: know what else to do on the case either. I 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: knew exactly who to call. You know, a lot of 88 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: times people will even ask me, well, how do I 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: get involved in solving a cold case if I'm not 90 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: in law enforcement in any way? And I always tell 91 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: him the same thing. There is a group of people 92 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: and it is the number one civilian solving group that 93 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: I know of. It is a community like no other, 94 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: and that is web Slues. And they have been involved 95 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: in just about every high profile case you can imagine. 96 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: They have assisted me personally on cases. They are quick, 97 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: they are deep and wide in their advocations and vocations, 98 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: which again I can't say enough. I don't care what 99 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: you do for a living, you may have the intel 100 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: needed on a case. So tonight you were going to 101 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: hear from Tricia Griffith, who started web Slues and when 102 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: she took this thing over, y'all, I think there was 103 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: about one hundred people involved, which is a ton of people, 104 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: and one hundred people can get a whole lot done 105 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: on a case. When you've got people researching, making phone calls, 106 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: reading from the archives of old newspapers. But I think 107 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: today she's got about one hundred and thirty thousand volunteers. 108 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: So when I called her recently because I had a 109 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: print from a crime saying from a shoe that I 110 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: could not identify, I gave it to Tricia. She said, 111 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: I'll get back in touch with you. Well, it took 112 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: them a minute because this was an unusual print, but 113 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: they got back to me and it matched to se 114 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: that I had never If not for them, I'd still 115 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: be looking for that shoe. We have the opportunity to 116 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: talk to somebody that, as a civilian, took up this 117 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: challenge to say, how can those of us that want 118 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: to advocate for crimes such as John B. Day Ramsey 119 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: and the Delphi murderers and others, how can we do that. 120 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: She's guide it to where you can sign up and 121 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: be a part of this group and start advocating and 122 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: researching and solving cases. And they have been directly connected 123 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: to cases that have been solved. I'm going to give 124 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: her the floor and I'm going to welcome somebody from 125 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: my Zone seven who I am so thrilled could be 126 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: with us. Because I've been on her show a bunch, 127 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: but this will be the first time she's on Zone 128 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: seven Ladies and Gentlemen, Tricia Griffin. 129 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, cherylm Callum, I am so honored and 130 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: humbled by that incredible introduction. The members of web Slues, 131 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: they do all the hard work, the moderators, they're the 132 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: ones that keep it so nobody flips out and starts 133 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: calling each other names. They keep it so it can 134 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: be an adult conversation. And then it's our members from 135 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: all over the world. And Cheryl, we just passed over 136 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: two hundred thousand members. When I took it over, it 137 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: had about two hundred and fifty members and it was 138 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: a snake pit. I went on there and it was 139 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: everybody threatening each other. So what we did is we 140 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: kicked out the trouble makers and we tightened the rules. 141 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: And we kept kicking out trouble makers and tightening the rules. 142 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 2: We did this for several years, and then in two 143 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: thousand and eight we decided to go go all the way. 144 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 2: We really tightened the rules. A lot of people left 145 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: and I thought, oh my god, I've made a mistake, 146 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: and we made the rules like no rumors you couldn't 147 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: bring things over from social media, you know, unless you 148 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: had a backup link to the police confirming it or 149 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: a mainstream media source confirming it. Things like that, and 150 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: everybody said websites is going to fail, Well, all the 151 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: good posters are leaving, and they were right. I'm like, 152 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: oh my god, I've made a mistake. But Cheryl, then 153 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: what happened. All of these people came out of the 154 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: woodwork and said, now I can come out and post 155 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: and not be bullied. And what happened was web slues 156 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 2: exploded and we haven't stopped growing since then. It has 157 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: just been an amazing journey that could not have been 158 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: done without the volunteer moderators, a volunteer at twenty four 159 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: to seven, and of course the incredible members. And you're 160 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: so right. I loved when you said, you know, everybody 161 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: has something to offer. And that's one thing I learned 162 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 2: early on in dealing with forms is there are a 163 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: lot of people out there, Cheryl, that feel they've been forgotten, 164 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: that they don't matter, and they matter to us because 165 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: they might have that one little bit of information something 166 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: that they've done in their life that can help us 167 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: figure out a case and I want everybody on web sluice. 168 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: Everybody matters to us. 169 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: And I want to be really clear with folks. I 170 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: got a sister sharing. She will put you on a 171 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: prayer list quicker in anybody I know, and then she 172 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: will ask other friends at other churches to do the 173 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: same thing. So when she hears that somebody is in 174 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: need of prayer for whatever reason, hell, financial marriage, whatever 175 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: it is, she's on it. When I think of websleuth 176 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: it's that same type of thread, because sometimes it's not 177 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: even we're going to be able to solve this case necessarily, 178 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: but the idea that two hundred thousand people are thinking 179 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: of this child, or thinking of this family, or thinking 180 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: of this mother, there's power in that to me too, 181 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: for that victim, for the victim's family. Tricia, You've got 182 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: such a powerful group of extraordinary people doing amazing things. 183 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: So could you tell us a little bit about some 184 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: of the cases that you and web sleuths have been 185 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: connected to that had a solvability factor that y'all presented. 186 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: Cheryl, I want to make clear what we do. We 187 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: don't come in there and solve cases all the time, 188 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: you know, like Miss Marple or any one of those 189 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: you know TV detectives. What we know we do is 190 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: we help. Okay, now we have helped solve cases before. 191 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: But here's the thing that just drives me crazy. I 192 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: know we've helped with a bunch of cases. Why because 193 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: law enforcement is constantly reading at web sluths, and I 194 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: know some of them join web sluths and they're always 195 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: there reading. So we really don't know how many cases 196 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: we've actually helped with. Now, there are a few big 197 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: ones that we helped with. The one that we're most 198 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: famous for is Abraham Shakespeare. He was a man down 199 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: on his luck who won the lottery and I think 200 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: it was thirty million dollars. He disappeared and a woman 201 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: comes out, this cute blonde and she says, Abraham is 202 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: my best friend, and he's given me power of attorney 203 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: and I've sent him off to the Islands to get 204 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: away from all this publicity. Well we looked at that 205 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: and we actually suspended one of our rules, and that 206 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: is we can cannot accuse a person of a crime 207 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: unless the police have done so, unless the police have 208 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: named them as a suspect. We suspended that rule because 209 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 2: it was so obvious that Dede Moore killed Abraham Shakespeare. 210 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: So we went to town and our members uncovered things 211 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: that the police told me later they need a subpoena 212 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: to get. We got all kinds of bank records to 213 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: show her shady real estate deals. But then something happened 214 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: that I don't know if it's ever happened before or since. 215 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: The suspect joined the forum and is she's trying to 216 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: defend herself and we're throwing questions at her right and left. 217 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: And then I was contacted by the detective on the 218 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: case who said that he joined the forum. Then well, 219 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: Dieting Moore realized that she was probably realized that she 220 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: was talking herself into a murder conviction, because the questions 221 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: we were asking were the same ones the police would ask. 222 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: And she contacted me via email and said, by the way, 223 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: somebody's on your forum pretending to be me. That's not 224 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: me on your forum. I'm Dting Moore. That's an impostor. 225 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: And I said, well, that impost must have broken into 226 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: your house because the IP address for this email and 227 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: the IP address for the posts are coming from the 228 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: same computer. And she goes, well, it must have been 229 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: my best friend. She must have done it behind my back. 230 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: You need to remove all everything, and I said, no, 231 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: absolutely not. And then I think she pretended to have 232 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: her son write me in fact, I'm positive and he 233 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: was like, you know you're hurting my mom. You're hurting 234 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: me and I'm just a kid. And I wrote him 235 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: back and I said, son, get off the internet. I 236 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: know you love your mom. And I said this just 237 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: in case it was him, I know you love you, 238 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: you love your mom, but get off the internet because 239 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 2: it's just going to get more ugly. Well, eventually they 240 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: found Abraham Shakespeare. They found his body under a slab 241 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: of cement on her boyfriend's property. The detective contacted me 242 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: and gave me this beautiful blowing email about how much 243 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: we helped the case, and then another one. I think 244 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: I think you guys may have heard of this case 245 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: Casey Anthony. Now, when Casey Anthony's case happened, things were 246 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: just coming out that were new, like one of our 247 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: members created a ping map, and in Florida they have 248 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: something called the Sunshine Law where they have to release 249 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: all the documents. So we are getting documents all the 250 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: time in the case, even before she went to trial, 251 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: and one of our members created a ping map pi 252 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: ng and that map showed where case Anthony had been 253 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: with her cell phone. Well, one of the detectives joined 254 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: the forum and thanked us for our help and said 255 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: some very kind things. And he was on the stand 256 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: with Jose Bias, and jose Bias asked him, so do 257 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: you go on web slue much under another name than 258 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: your own? And I about had a heart attack when 259 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: I heard that. Oh my god, that poor guy, That 260 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: poor guy. But so then something really interesting happened. A 261 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: person sent me an email and said I have Cindy 262 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: Anthony's password to her Yahoo account, log in and read 263 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: her email and they sent it to me. Well, I 264 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: didn't do that. I reached out to Cindy Anthony and 265 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: she called me back. She claimed she didn't know who 266 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: I was or what the forum was. She never heard 267 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: of webs Later we found out that she had reams 268 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: of paper where she had printed out every web slue 269 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: thread about Casey Anthony. She and I had a talk 270 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: and it was very interesting and I told her I 271 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: said I would never do that. I said, I'm going 272 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: to ford you the email. You can call the police, 273 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: do what you want, but just know I've never I 274 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: would never do that. And then she tells me, and 275 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing here because it was so long ago it's 276 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: hard to remember. She tells me she's been talking to 277 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: a lawyer, and her lawyer said that she'd be able 278 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: to shut down these sites that call Casey bad names. 279 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: And I'm so perplexed. I'm I call Casey bad? I said, 280 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: what do you mean? And she says, you know, they've 281 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: called her horrible names, like you know, bitch and slut. 282 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: And I said, and your lawyer said that you could 283 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: get these sites shut down and she says absolutely, and 284 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to do. And you know that 285 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: includes your site as well. And I said, well, we 286 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: don't allow name calling, but I'm sure name calling has 287 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: gotten through in this case. I said, So, I do 288 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: want to tell you something, Cindy. Don't go to that 289 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: lawyer anymore, because he's just going to just suck you 290 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: drive every cent and you can't do a thing. You 291 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: won't be able to do a thing, I promise you. 292 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 2: I know the libel laws and this doesn't even come 293 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: close to it. Your daughter is now a public figure. 294 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: I tried to explain it to her it didn't seem 295 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: to sync in. And then finally what happened was after 296 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: the prosecution lost the case, one of our members was 297 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: a computer whiz and he got all these documents released 298 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: and somehow I have no idea how this works, but 299 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: this person was able to go through the documents and 300 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 2: he found out that they only did a search using 301 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: one search engine. You know, back then I think they 302 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: had Netscape and MSM oh. Yeah, Well they only used 303 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: one of those and they didn't search the others. Well, 304 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: he somehow, through this paperwork was able to search the 305 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 2: other networks I guess, you know, like msn or was 306 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 2: one of those. He searched and found that Casey had 307 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: looked up several things like that, how long does it 308 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: take someone to smother? I think was one might have 309 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 2: been talking about it was all about smothering somebody, and 310 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: how long it took? I think Another one was decomposition. Well, 311 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: that could have been used in the case. 312 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: Sure, because all they had was chloroform, right right right? 313 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: Anyway, those are the two big cases that everybody talks 314 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: about now. Occasionally I'll get a call from law enforcement 315 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: and they'll say, we need to have everything you have 316 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: on member you know, Joe Smith, and I always ask 317 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: for a subpoena. I don't give them anything unless I 318 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: get a subpoena, and I don't get anything for a 319 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: subpoena if it is a civil lawsuit. And we do 320 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: get calls occasionally from law enforcement, and they'll tell me 321 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: that person is posting things only the killer would know, 322 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: but then they never will tell me what happened after that. 323 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: And so, like I said in the beginning, law enforcement 324 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: is constantly reading at web suse. And I know they're 325 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: getting ideas from our members, which is great, that's why 326 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: we're here. 327 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's tremendous. 328 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: But Cheryl, as you know, law enforcement can sometimes be 329 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: pretty stubborn what and it's hard. I know, it's a shot, 330 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: it's a shot, and it's hard dragging them into the 331 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: twenty first century. They paint people on the Internet with 332 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 2: the same brush. They don't differentiate between the crazy people 333 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: that call them all the time and accuse innocent people 334 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: and come up with all of these stupid conspiracies and 335 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: drive them nuts. They don't differentiate between those people and 336 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: web slues, and it's really hard to get them to 337 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 2: see that we are the good guys, we want to 338 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: help law enforcement. Believe me, we're not perfect. But one 339 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 2: other thing, and this is a great example of web slus. 340 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: The Boston bomber read it, put out a picture of 341 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: a young man and said this is the Boston bomber. 342 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 2: It was all over Reddit, and it blew up in 343 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: social media. While everybody was posting that picture of the 344 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: so called Boston bomber. We were removing it as fast 345 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: as we could when members were posting it on websites, 346 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: because we said, there is no evidence to show us 347 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: that this man had anything to do with it. Well, 348 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 2: come to find out he wasn't the Boston bomber. His 349 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: family suffered even more because he had recently committed suicide. 350 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: It was before he was named the Boston bomber, but 351 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: his family had to endear all of that. In fact, 352 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: there's a documentary about it called The Thread, and it's 353 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: all about this thread on Reddit and how they messed up. Anyway, 354 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: that's a real short overview. We're doing our best with 355 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: the volunteer staff that we have. 356 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: Let's go back to Arkansas a minute. I won't people 357 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: to know that, hey, you're the real deal. But also 358 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: if you're looking for a place to volunteer your time 359 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: and talents. This is it. And I know that I've 360 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: been involved with y'all for at least seven years that 361 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: I know of this documented, so I have never been 362 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: let down. And so again, the first call that I 363 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: made was to you when I was leaving Rogers, Arkansas, 364 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: and I just want people to know this is how 365 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: the phone call went. Hey, I'm in Rogers, Arkansas, and 366 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: I came upon this cold case that kind of got 367 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: my attention because you know, it occurred Halloween, which is 368 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: one of those dun dun dun comings, and then there 369 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: was a carnival down the street. Well that come on, 370 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: and then you're talking about the holiday where everybody's going 371 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: to cover their face and they're going to be dressed 372 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: sometimes spooky and eerie and frightening, and you're going to 373 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: open your door, so of course there's no forced entry. 374 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's just the perfect night to do a 375 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: crime such as this. So that was the spill that 376 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: I gave her. This was the response she gave me. 377 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: We're on it, Drive safely, and then again to know 378 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: that I'm just driving and can enjoy my trip home 379 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: with Caroline and know that two hundred thousand people are 380 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: going to work. It's like the elves and the shoemaker. 381 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Cheryl. Yeah, and this is a particularly 382 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 2: tough case because literally you have told everything that is 383 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 2: known about this case. She would open her doors to 384 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: strangers that night, there was no forced entry, probably had 385 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: a mask on. And why this killer did it? You 386 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: look at it and you think he obviously was I 387 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: am sure it was a man, and he obviously just 388 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: wanted to see what it felt like to kill somebody. 389 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 2: And then you had that carnival in town and the 390 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: police think that the guy was with the carle and 391 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: he's long gone. What I am wondering, and I've actually 392 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: put a call into the sergeant about to ask him 393 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: this question is if they have any DNA from the case, 394 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: if they have anything that they've kept, because we also 395 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: work with a lab called auth Room Labs and they 396 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: are amazing. Yeah, and I would love to get this 397 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: case on Authroom's radar because if that perp left any DNA, 398 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: they'll find it and they'll find who it belongs to. 399 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: Well, this is what I even said to him, and 400 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: he said, I'm gonna have to look at everything and 401 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: get back to you. But I told him there's no 402 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: way she was stabbed like that, that this person wasn't 403 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: holding her in some way with their non dominant hand, 404 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: so there would quite possibly be touched DNA if her 405 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: top had been preserved correctly. So they're holding her while 406 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: they're able to, you know, incapacitate her to stab her. 407 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: Authorm was the second thing I mentioned to him after 408 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: touch DNA. 409 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 2: Good. Oh, I'm glad you told him. Great. 410 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: Oh, baby, we're on the same page. 411 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: And every year the testing gets more and more sophisticated 412 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: and more and more cases are solved. And that's why 413 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: it's such a great time for anybody listening. Join web slutes. 414 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: All you need is an email address and that's it, 415 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: and then you pick your user name. Yeah, you can't 416 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: start fights, you can't accuse people of things, can't start rumors, 417 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: all of that. But it's pretty easy because we have 418 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: a saying don't be a jerk, and that's all you 419 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 2: need to know when you're on webslues dot com. 420 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: There's a motto for you, you know, and it works. 421 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: It works. 422 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: So look, you can't name call, you can't start a rumor, 423 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: and you can't fight. Now that's the reason I've never 424 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: formally joined. 425 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: But we make an exception for you, Cheryl. You go 426 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: go to town, but I do. 427 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's not enough good I can say. And 428 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: there's a person that murdered a woman in Rogers, Arkansas, 429 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: but there's over two hundred thousand people that are looking 430 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: at it and trying to do some good and trying 431 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: to solve it. I remember I had a conversation. One 432 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: of your members called me and he was on to 433 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: something with a case that I had given to y'all 434 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: to help me with, and he wanted to talk to 435 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: me because he had a bunch of questions. And as 436 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: we were talking, he said, well, if I'm able to 437 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 1: do this and locate this particular thing for you, what 438 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: are you going to do with it? And I said, well, 439 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the powers that be and 440 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: of course take complete credit. Of course, he started dining laughing, 441 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: and I said, and I said, look, I said, the 442 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: reality is I'm going to go to the lead on 443 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: this and I'm going to say here, this is for 444 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: you on a silver platter. And this is where it 445 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: came from. It's about being accurate and true, because here's 446 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: the deal. When you've got a detective on the stand 447 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: being questioned about web sluts, you're going to have somebody 448 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: else come out and say, well, how did you get 449 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: down this road? I'll take exactly. I didn't take that road. 450 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: Somebody else did. And I think social media is here, 451 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: it's here to stay. It's like anything else, something that 452 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: could be used can be used good or bad, and 453 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: people that want to do bad crap are going to 454 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: figure out how to do it. But again, love wins, 455 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: So does it matter what negative thing you're going to do. 456 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: Like you, you might have lost one hundred people at 457 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: one point, but you gained one hundred thousand, exactly. 458 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: And I want to piggyback on that if I can. Cheryl. 459 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: I was talking to Brandon Beaver's Missy Beaver's husband once 460 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: and he asked a question that I have never been asked, 461 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: and it gave me pause and it still does when 462 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: I think about it. And the question was, what gives 463 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: you the right to know this information? You know, like 464 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: what the police have. And I went and it took 465 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: me a while, and I said, what you just said. 466 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 2: A moment ago, I said, social media is here to stay. 467 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: I said, we may not have a right to demand 468 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: information from the police. But what the police need to 469 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: do is learn how to work with social media, because 470 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: we can help. Now. In the Missy Beaver's case, you know, 471 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: there are people all over social media blaming him and 472 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: it was hit a horrible experience with it, and a 473 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: lot of people do, but they won't have a horrible 474 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: experience with web slues. And like you said, we are 475 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: here to stay. Learn to work with us, or we 476 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 2: will work with you. You call the shots, not us law enforcement. 477 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: You tell us what you need and we will do it. 478 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: When you're scouring wanted posters looking for somebody that looks similar, 479 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: when you're trying to take our age progression and see 480 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: if you can find anybody on social media, it's a 481 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: powerful thing again to think you've got some help in 482 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: areas that maybe you can't spend all day scouring social media. 483 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: You've got to go interview people and get subpoenas and 484 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: get warrants and do different things, and you have other cases. 485 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: But if you've got people you can dedicate to those 486 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: time consuming efforts, it's spectacular exactly. 487 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: In fact, I have a great example of that. I 488 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: got a call from a detective in a small little 489 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 2: town in Nevada, and he said, look, I was a 490 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: cop in San Francisco. I love what you're doing. Most 491 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: of the people in law enforcement don't like you. And 492 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: he said, look, we've had this case for twenty three years. 493 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: This is back in twenty fourteen. And he said, it 494 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: is a guy who was murdered, but we can't identify him. 495 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: And he said he was wearing this T shirt with 496 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: this emblem on it. And he said, for twenty three years, 497 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: we've been trying to find out where that T shirt 498 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: was made and maybe it will lead us to his identity. 499 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: So he gave it to our members and they were 500 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: doing great work for about a week and a half, 501 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: and then one member came back from vacation and within 502 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: thirty six hours, she had where that shirt was made, 503 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: when it was made, who owned it, what type of 504 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: thread they used, where they are now, how much it 505 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 2: costs back then, how much it costs everything. 506 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. 507 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: And so for twenty three years, those cops have wasted 508 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: their time trying to figure it out. And this woman, 509 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: I asked her how she did it. She said, well, 510 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: I started with Etsy and I don't know how she 511 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: did it, but she did and he was so thrilled. 512 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: And that is a perfect example. 513 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: And that's the importance of web slues and groups like 514 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: web sluthes. Not that there's any exactly like it, but 515 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Volunteer groups that are trying 516 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: to help find your group. You can start helping on 517 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: a cold case today thanks to Tricia Griffin. Tricia again, 518 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: all of these people, you know, trying to hide and 519 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: mask who they are and pretend to be, you know, 520 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: different than they are. Your army of over two hundred 521 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: thousand people will do the work. They will search till 522 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: they find it. And a lot of times this is 523 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: what I want law enforcement to understand. Number One, media 524 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: is not going anywhere, whether it's the San Francisco Chronicle 525 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: or somebody in their home on a microphone, They're not 526 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: going anywhere. So you need to learn how to use 527 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: them as the tool that they are. Tricia Griffin, that 528 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: is a tool. She can help you. She is a 529 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement gift. They can again give them the mundane 530 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: work you don't have time to do, that is necessary. 531 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: They can do that. Tell her to go find something 532 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: in ancestry, tell her to go find something in archives 533 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: of a newspaper. They can do that better than anybody 534 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: and quicker than anybody. I mean, I wrote a textbook 535 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: about how media, you know, is one of the greatest 536 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: law enforcement tools there is. That's what the wanted poster is, 537 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: if you think about it, That's what John Walsh is, 538 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: That's what NamUs is. Like all of these people that 539 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: are able to use these vehicles of media and successfully 540 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: do it. There's no faster crime fighting arena. There's just not. 541 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I appreciate you being part of my 542 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: Zone seven. I appreciate you always answering the phone and 543 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: being willing to help any time on any case. And 544 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: I want people to understand, Yes, she has been on 545 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: numerous TV shows and magazines and newspaper articles, but she 546 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: doesn't just answer my phone when it's a high profile case. 547 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: She has worked on cases y'all have never heard of, 548 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: with no fanfare and no credit. And so again, Tricia Griffin, 549 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being part of my z own seven. 550 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: Thank you, Cheryl. It's been an honor to be here 551 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: with you, and I'll be having you on my live 552 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: stream very. 553 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: Soon, y'all. I'm going to end Zone seven, like I 554 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: always do with a quote A clown can get away 555 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: with murder john Wayne Gacy. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this 556 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: is Zone seven.