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Speaker 1: Book suck except for one kind of book, Celebrity memoirs.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lilli Morondo and I'm Stephen Phillips Horst, and this

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Speaker 1: is Celebrity, the podcast where we read celebrity memoirs so

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Speaker 1: you don't have to. Celebrity memoirs are like normal books.

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Speaker 1: They're fun, the kind you read with a Martini in

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Speaker 1: one hand and a Virginia Slim in the other. We're

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Speaker 1: talking drugs, sex, salacious Hollywood gossip, a dark histories of

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Speaker 1: sexual abuse. Each week we give you the down and

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Speaker 1: dirty game, from the best sellers to the bargain min diaries,

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Speaker 1: from big names to forgotten names. Anthony bor Dame and

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Speaker 1: Terry Hatchet, Barbara Corn Farmer, Governor Bill Weld. So down

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Speaker 1: a few glasses of your favorite pet nap, then crank

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Speaker 1: up the sons turn the page on a brand new podcast,

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club. Listen now on I Heart Radio, Apple

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone in the world. You're listening to Global podcast

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Speaker 1: Radio Lab. Who do you who? Glamour girls? Who do

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Speaker 1: you who? Glamour girls? All over the globe? George you

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Speaker 1: pointed out right before we started recording that, Um, we

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Speaker 1: actually have an AD. We're going to have an AD

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Speaker 1: in this episode. I haven't decided if the AD's going

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Speaker 1: to play before the intro or in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Maybe we'll take that one ADAM play at

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Speaker 1: six separate times during episode. I definitely think it should

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Speaker 1: go at the beginning. I think if you're hearing my

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Speaker 1: words now, you should have already heard the AD. That's

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Speaker 1: what I think. I think at your go in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: ad starts now, then podcast starts now. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's like the fans are going to be annoyed that

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Speaker 1: and that's the question we're now sellouts and that we're

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Speaker 1: promoting other people's podcasts, and um, that we're different and

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Speaker 1: we're doing things we said we would never do. I

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Speaker 1: am imagining just the idea of one of our die

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Speaker 1: hard Glamour Girl fans pressing play on an episode. It says, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, top topic which we don't know yet with

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Speaker 1: Kiko Soire, they press it, they say, oh, time for literally, finally,

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Speaker 1: I've been truly I've been wanting to jump out my

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Speaker 1: window all week. Finally I can do the one thing

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Speaker 1: I enjoy, the one thing in this entire world that

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Speaker 1: brings me happiness. Listen to my favorite podcast, Trader Lab.

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Speaker 1: They press play, suddenly it's not our voice, they hear,

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Speaker 1: it's the voice of whoever's ad we just played. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we don't know what we obviously there's a third party

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Speaker 1: private equity firm dealing, you know, handling the ads, so

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Speaker 1: we have no idea who it is. We really hope

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Speaker 1: it's not someone we disagree with political politically, Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I really really hope that it's um, that it's kind

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Speaker 1: of an ethical company. Yeah. I hope it's the US military.

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Speaker 1: I hope. Yeah. Well, the U. S Military is trying

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Speaker 1: to rebrand, um and honey, I'm here for it. Oh honey.

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Speaker 1: I love a rebrand no matter what. Give me a

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Speaker 1: new photo shoot, Honey, when the new aesthetic for the military.

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Speaker 1: That's a huge thing with you is you love a rebrand,

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Speaker 1: no matter what it is. I just love to people

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Speaker 1: evolved change. It's nice to see people playing with their identities. Um.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I mean, if you're still with us, thank you.

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Speaker 1: If not, then honestly, eat my dust. I don't air.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so happy that we're now successful in business. Bye.

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Speaker 1: Haters by um, so anyway, George, like, how's your week

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Speaker 1: or whatever? Right, because we said we were gonna like

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Speaker 1: talk about our weeks. Actually we're yeah, um my week

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Speaker 1: is with my sister. Is my sister's visiting. It has

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Speaker 1: your snap? Like just now? It was like, you are

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Speaker 1: so deeply selfish. You said that because your sister was

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Speaker 1: I obviously don't think that celebrities should get the vaccine

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, stuff just happens, you know, like this

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, none of these things ring a bill,

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Speaker 1: But this is a single actor's name. But this isn't

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Speaker 1: no Georgia's is all the time, and and no, no,

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Speaker 1: gab gab gab. And I sit here just complete silence.

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Speaker 1: And this is about Patti Lapone. Matt Sam has never

422
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Speaker 1: heard of her. Yeah, I and I and I'm definitely

423
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Speaker 1: have at least seen a picture of her. Wait, should

424
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Speaker 1: we do our first segment? I mean we can, but

425
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: I just want to say, if you're just still good

426
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: going by the way, I just literally typing an essay

427
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: while we have this conversation, you're actually literally gas like

428
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Speaker 1: me because okay, has that faith that you're looking at something? Yes, okay,

429
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Speaker 1: do the names Gypsy Rose Blanchard and Deed Blanchard not

430
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: mean anything to do? Yes, Gypsy Rose on like snatch game. Wait,

431
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: this is Great Gardens? No, I knew that's what Sam

432
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: was referred to. No, it's not great Gardens. Yes, No,

433
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: great gardens is I think two women who are both unwell,

434
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Speaker 1: they have a parasitic relationship to one another, live in

435
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Speaker 1: a house of philth. Look it sounds like great gardens.

436
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, great Gardens is like a Great Gardens

437
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: is like a middle aged woman and then an older woman,

438
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: whereas the act is like literally a mom and her

439
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: daughter who's like a child that she Oh no, you're

440
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: talking about Gilmore Girls. Daughter and talk real fast. And

441
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: I have seen every episode of Gilmar Girls, like that's

442
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: the pizza culture. I do know, like back and forward,

443
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: I do know Gilmore Girls. Gilmore Girls was ahead of

444
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: its time and that it actually told the exact sory

445
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: of Jip Seros Blanchard. Yeah, but they really sanitized that

446
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: she ended up going to Yale instead of murdering her mom.

447
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls was still republican. If you think about it,

448
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't even think you have to think about it. Yeah,

449
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: if you knows republican. And then if you think about it,

450
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: people are like, it's actually really feminist. Hand in my

451
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: hand in the air. I loved Gilmore girls like my

452
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: sister and I would race home and watch it and

453
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: like a boxing macaroni and um. But it just when

454
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: you look back, you're like, well, this is a very

455
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: like specific show, specific in the sense that it is Republican. Um. Okay,

456
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: now that George has gotten that off his chest, I

457
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: actually would love it if everyone tweeted at us and

458
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: verbally abused Sam for not knowing who Jyp Seros Blanchard is. No,

459
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: it's look, oh my god, this is bullying. This is bullying,

460
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: and this is whole freaking unacceptable. I just want to say,

461
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: munchaus In by proxy is such a rich thing to

462
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: talk about. We could have made jokes about how we

463
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: how I have it, how you have it, how I

464
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: think you're sick and I make you have to take

465
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: a little podcast pills, But no, you don't. You are

466
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: nippingged in the butt anyway, Please go Okay, wait, here's

467
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: here's a here's a okay, here's my riff on Munchausen

468
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: by proxy. Um yeah, Gilmore Girls had Munchausen by proxy,

469
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: munching on junk food and watching movies. They loved to

470
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: do that. And also George did that crush that crush,

471
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: not only the crush I have Morty bore to say,

472
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: now please kicko, please keep riffic. So what I was

473
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: gonna say not really a joke. So much is like

474
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: no one could actually eat that much food, but it really,

475
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: um you know, um if it added fuel to this

476
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: whole like characteristic of like the cool, skinny girl who

477
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: loves to eat so much food and like, oh I

478
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 1: just ate seven hot dogs. I'm so cool. Uh. That

479
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: era was obsessed with that. I mean that was remember

480
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: American's Next Top Model when they would be like they

481
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: would always show them eating and like to be like, yeah,

482
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: they eat all the time and their models and it

483
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: was like you're only showing them eat. It's like waiting

484
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls, is it a thing that they keep eating?

485
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: It's one of their character Now interesting because they like

486
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: sugar cereals. They whenever their movies, there's always like seven

487
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: different canisonable like got it all I know about Gilmore

488
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: Girls is that she's constantly reading. It will be like

489
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: every single scene she's reading a book that's like Virginia

490
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: Wolf b Sides. Very's biggest cross to bear is oh no,

491
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Speaker 1: I am not smart. There's a possibility I could be

492
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: perceived as not smart. Oh yeah, well who can't relate? Yeah, okay,

493
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: well let's I'm not tearing apart Gilmore Girls on this podcast. No,

494
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: nor do I want. I think they're celebrating Gilmore Girls.

495
00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: I like the show was clear. Okay, we literally have

496
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: to do our first segment. Fine, we can. Okay, is

497
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: their segment music transition? There will be impost I love that. Yeah, yeah,

498
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: we added ourselves. Yeah, it's kind of cool, pretty punk

499
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: rock to add a little soundtrack under. All right, we're

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00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: back to our second segment. Something like that. Well, not

501
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: actually much. Yeah, that's exactly pretty much it. We're actually

502
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: gonna play that under this segment the whole time. We're

503
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: gonna play that under the entire episode. Actually looped on

504
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: a loop keyko. Our first segment it's called straight Shooters,

505
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: and and then we ask you a series of rapid

506
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: fire questions to gauge your familiarity and experience within the

507
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: rich tapestry of straight culture. Um, basically, it's an air

508
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: b question and you just pick one and you can't

509
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 1: ask us any followup questions or we'll get furious at you.

510
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: Got it? I'm ready? Okay, George, do you want to

511
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: kick us off shore? Ko um? American apparel or Russian interference?

512
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: B okay? Kiko yang gang or bang bang by Ariana Grande,

513
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: Nicki minaj and Jesse j A Wait wait so yang yang?

514
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: I am not sure what what is my aim here?

515
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to pick what I like? The big

516
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: big rule is that you can't ask follow up questions.

517
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: You have to just gravitate towards whichever one makes is

518
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: more resident. Okay, okay, okay, actually continue and now I

519
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: now I know how to play. Okay okay Kiko ya

520
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: a haunted mansion or a rent stabilized one bedroom apartment

521
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: well haunted mansion? Okay kiko? Rest in peace or getting

522
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: a drink at pieces be pieces? Um. I hope this

523
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: email finds you well or did you hear she drowned

524
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: in a well? Be she drowned in a well? Sam

525
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: is actually freaking out, George, I swear to God, our

526
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: brains have become one. I literally My next one is

527
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: I hope this email finds you well, or I'll see

528
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: you in hell. Oh okay, wait, how about then? The

529
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: two options now are I hope this email finds you

530
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: well or did you hear is you drowned in a well?

531
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: Or I hope this email find you well or I'll

532
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: see you in hell. I'm gonna go with age she

533
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: drowned in a well. There's a there's a lot more.

534
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: It's more visceral. Yeah, oh sorry, No, no, it's fine.

535
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: Sorry that I worked really hard on that, and like,

536
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: I think we should just be celebrating that we both

537
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: had the same brain for once, and you know, you

538
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: and I'm painting us against each other and I think

539
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: absolutely they also kill yourself. Oh oh okay, well in

540
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: that case, um thro yo bogo or stealing Austin powers mojo,

541
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: having a wife, having a husband, or having diarrhea, see correct, correct,

542
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: Um George, we rated our I'm like so destroyed. My

543
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: sister just jumped in the like, I can't have to.

544
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: I can't have more than one thing happening at once.

545
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean it's

546
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: tough that you're in like the main space. I think,

547
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: I know, but but then that's the only we can't

548
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: go into this right now. But that's like the only

549
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: way it can work. But it is driving me insane.

550
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: I would say that her entrance and exit kind of

551
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: humanized you. Really, Okay, I would agree with that. And

552
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: for the listeners, they couldn't see it. George's sister walked

553
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: through the back of the screen. Um, but you know,

554
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: pretty quickly without dawdling, and but George was immediately he

555
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: whipped his head around and he was furious. He pulled

556
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: one earbud out and he was ready to snap. I

557
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: was so destabilized immediately. I can't. I I really do

558
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: think I'm hanging on by a threat in a way

559
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: I haven't in a while. What do you why? I

560
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: just I think it's what you're saying with everything reopening

561
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: to like, it's just it's too much. I think, I like,

562
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm only now realizing how much um kind of doing

563
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: all of this for over a year has affected me psychologically,

564
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: and like it will take a lot for me to

565
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: be normal again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, please don't even spring

566
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: up being normal. That's a trap that we cannot get

567
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: stuck in again. Um, how are you feeling? How are

568
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: you feeling? And how are you feeling? This podcast is going? Um,

569
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: I feel like this podcast is going swimming Lee. You know,

570
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: I said a prayer before the podcast started, and I said,

571
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: I said, please let some thing I say be a

572
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: value to someone who might listen to the podcast. Oh wow,

573
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: the podcaster's prayer. You guys remember at the pit how

574
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: they had the clowns prayer on the wall and it

575
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: was like always really embarrassing. Oh, so sad it was

576
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: in that it was in chalkboard font. The fonts actually

577
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: called chalkboard you know. Chalkboard font is actually the worst font. Well,

578
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: Papyrus is up there too. Yeah, but Papyrus almost is

579
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: now like Papyrus and comic sands are nowtified meta funny,

580
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: kind of like the way nineties trends are coming. Yeah, exactly. Wait, Kiko,

581
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: can you repeat the podcasters prayer? Maybe we can all

582
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: say it together, I said. And I said this because

583
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, I had stuff to have a whole sandwich,

584
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: like a whole hero in my body, and I was

585
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: a little sleepy, but I was like, okay, wake up,

586
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: you're about to do a podcast. And I haven't podcasted

587
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: in a long time, only because I truly have been

588
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: hibernating all year and I haven'ten sten very little. So

589
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, we're going to this. We haven't done

590
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: this in a while. And I said, repeat after me,

591
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: Dear God, Dear God, as I'm about to record this podcast,

592
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: as I'm about this podcast, use me, use me, use

593
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: me as a channel, as a channel, as a channel,

594
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: and let something I say, and let something be of

595
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: some value, of some value to some person, to some

596
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: person who may listen to this podcast, who may listen

597
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: to this podcast. Two people ever been more out of

598
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: sync than us trying to repeat backs podcasters prayer. I

599
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: kept trying to like be like, Okay, what is the

600
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: rhythm here? I was kind of having fun with us

601
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: being in different paces. No I knew you, and then

602
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: I when I realized that, I was like, Okay, then

603
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: I can have fun with it. But then I kept

604
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: instinctively trying to match you, and it was a losing panel.

605
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: You know, I do that with singing. I'm really bad

606
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: at singing, and when I try to like sing with

607
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: someone and it's like you do that part, and I'll

608
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: do the high part. And it's like I always just

609
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: try to I'm like, I'll just I just want to

610
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: do what you're doing. Like, but Kiko, you understand you're

611
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: in a recording studio. I have to say, I really

612
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: it warms my heart that you went into our podcast

613
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: specifically thinking, um, the experience would be positive for anyone involved,

614
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: and and that was honestly just my prayer. Who knows,

615
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: who knows that the prayer will be answered. I am

616
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: constantly torn when we do our podcast. I'm constantly torn

617
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: betwe in my desire to please our listeners, who are

618
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: literally the most important people in my life, as well

619
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: as our desire to like make the podcast as weird

620
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: and like stupid as possible because that is what they like.

621
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: But then it's like when you try to do that,

622
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: then you're making it actively bad, you know what I mean? Yeah,

623
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: it's um Sam dissociated. It's very Russian dolls like doll

624
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: and a doll. Yeah. Well, and I would also I

625
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: think we this is I can't tell, this is extremely boring,

626
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: but I feel like we have two sections of listeners,

627
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: some that really like the chaos, and this is kind

628
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: of your the two genders tweet. But some really like

629
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: the chaos and like thrive on it, and some like

630
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: just want to hear our opinions on like the new

631
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: Demi Lovato video just kidding, And so it's it's tough.

632
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: It's a tough balance because someone's going to leave unhappy, right,

633
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: and so we have to sort of decide who we

634
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: have to keep going back between those two poles, right

635
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: and like And for me, I guess all I can

636
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: say is that, like, I guess I don't really have

637
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: an interest in talking about Demilovado's song. But if something

638
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: is important to me during a podcast to say, I

639
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: know it is important to say, and then I'll say it.

640
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Like the prayer, I thought that was very beautiful. I

641
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: think a lot of people. I think the podcaster's prayer

642
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: is going to be huge from now on. I actually

643
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: see it catching on and and I see us really

644
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: like pioneering kind of a more spiritual podcasting practice. Yeah. Um,

645
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: here's now that you've gotten the prayer out of the way,

646
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: I think it's maybe time to get into this top

647
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: secret topic. Oh you're talking to me? Um yeah, okay,

648
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: she snapped iconic snuff. Look you look Okay, Wow, I

649
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: love that. Wow, you're channeling the spirit of Alissa. And

650
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: I was really into a Lissa. But um, now I

651
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: have heard that she's kind of just a little mean,

652
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: but also what you know, but do you think she's

653
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: mean or she's like insane? I think that there is

654
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: a spectrum of delusional and um it goes like um entertaining, entertaining, exciting, exciting,

655
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: like um worship and then just like yeah, and I

656
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: think she's somewhere in between worship and eke. Right, wait,

657
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: I actually think the topic of how to be ethically

658
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: delusional is so rich. Yeah, it's such a challenge because

659
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: we love people who are psychopaths, and we love to

660
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: see them be psychopaths, and we love to prop them up,

661
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: and then and then they are psychopaths and we're like,

662
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: why are you still doing that? Like you're in a

663
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: place of power now. It's really difficult. I always say

664
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I really wish people would there, that there could be

665
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: like famous excent X again. And then when I say that,

666
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's a slippery slope to defending someone who literally,

667
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: like you know, threw someone out of a plane. Like

668
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: it's just like it's so tough, because then I'll be like,

669
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: just let her you know about someone that, let's say

670
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: is um you know, people like I'll be like, just

671
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: let her be eccentric, and then people like, um, okay,

672
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: well she literally is an active terrorist. Well, and this

673
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: is sort of you know, this is the like one

674
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: example I can think of is like chet Hanks is

675
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: people like lift him up because they're like, you're a psychopath.

676
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: This is like funny that you speak in patois and

677
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: like like have white boy summer. And then it's like

678
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: but he's don't stop stop doing this. I just like,

679
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: this is never I'm sorry, and no offense to many

680
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 1: people I know who have made jokes about Chet Hanks

681
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. That to me was always like, oh god,

682
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: are we really doing this. It's so boring to me

683
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: like to talk about chet Hanks. So it's like it's

684
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 1: not interesting, Kiko, do you know who this is? Chat Hanks? Yeah?

685
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: He Chat Hanks was in the car and he texted

686
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: like I'm having a white boy summer, right. Yeah. He

687
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: actually videotaped himselfs saying that it wasn't just a text. Okay, okay,

688
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: I I saw it. I saw it, and I just

689
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: scrolled on by Keiko. Are you planning on having a

690
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: white boy summer? Yeah? Yes, Actually something pretty maybe a

691
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: white boy adjacent I started doing is drinking a lot

692
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: of milk stouts. Oh wow, so huge? Actually yeah yeah,

693
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: like like milks does speak. They're like kind of coffee,

694
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, full bodied, but they're actually some of the

695
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: lowest calorie drinks. Really whoa yes, okay, and no one,

696
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: no one has ever said that this is a straighty

697
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: lb exclusive. We have doctor Keiko sare here. Yeah, milks,

698
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: that's like Guinness, you know, the most famous milkstout is

699
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: very low calorie. How I think it's just something about

700
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, um, the drink it so well. The thing

701
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: is milk is probably still better than beer. I don't

702
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: think there's actually milk in you, I know, but I know.

703
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but if I'm ordering a milk stout and

704
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: there's not, I better get party afterwards because I'm slightly lactose.

705
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like having like because sometimes you

706
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: know the other beers you have, you know too, You're like, oh,

707
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: that's a lot of sugar or like it felt like

708
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: a lot of I don't know, And then I have

709
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: two milk stouts and I feel great. Okay, milk stout

710
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: is the drink of the summer. I thought I was

711
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna be Lambrusco, but it might be milkstout. Yeah. Wait,

712
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to backtrack, and I hate to like

713
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: force this conversation on us, but I still kind of

714
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: want us to decide. How, what are the rules for

715
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: being ethically delusional? Yeah? I think that that's important too, well,

716
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: the old lusion. Let me just speak from my post,

717
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna quote, I'm gonna paraphrase quote Trixie Mattel

718
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: and Trixies documentary. Trixie says this quote, it's like people

719
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: go to see a drag queen for their own self delusion.

720
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Like that is what's entertaining, because when someone gets into

721
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: the drag, if you don't believe that you are like

722
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing to like exist, then you should

723
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: not be performing even if you look busted, do you

724
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's like that's a kind of

725
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: like I think of delusion that is really exciting to

726
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: watch and that you know, it doesn't matter how polished

727
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: you look. You can that is like a god given gift,

728
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, because someone can look like ten cents and

729
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: be just giving an arena life. I guess the question

730
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: then is like, how do you stop that from becoming

731
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: Donald Trump? Yeah? Well mm hmm. It's such a tough game, right,

732
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: but I can tell like even even within our small community,

733
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: when some people start to get delusional, it's like, I

734
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: agree that it's like fun, and I'm like yes, but

735
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: I'm also like, but don't book them, like you're giving

736
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: them like power in a way. That's like you're you're

737
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: legitimizing their delusion, and it's gonna be bad because then

738
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: more people because it's you don't want the velvet underground

739
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: a delusional where it's like, yeah, only a thousand people saw,

740
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: but then at birth like ten thousand more delusional people,

741
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: and then eventually just government doesn't work anymore. I guess

742
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: if your delusion extends to like if your ripple effect

743
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: ends up causing more harm, then maybe you should we

744
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: should rethink honoring them. I think also it should have

745
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: a time limit. You should be able to be delusional

746
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: for like a year, and then you have to take

747
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: like four years off and like work in finance or

748
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: something interesting. Yeah, or kind of do do we all

749
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: remember Rebecca Black. Yeah, of course, so you know Friday

750
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: was maybe a you know, a pinnacle example of a

751
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: delusional hit. Right. People loved it, but we were all

752
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: celebrating it in a way of like this, I can't

753
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: believe this is made. And you know, I think now

754
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: Rebecca should make music, and you know, if she wants

755
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: to make music, make music in a real way. Well,

756
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: she came back and announced that she was queer. First

757
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: of all, you should always if you're going to be

758
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: ethnically delusional, you should come out as queer. About a

759
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: decade later, she also herd thing that was like people

760
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: are like, oh, she's actually cool, Like she's like, she's

761
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: queer and she has a good taste now because she

762
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: was like what fourteen when that was made. Yes, So okay,

763
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm like getting farther and farther away from the answer.

764
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, so you have to have the right, I mean,

765
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: I guess it comes down to intentions. Yeah, It's like,

766
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: if your intention is to create a better world for everyone,

767
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: and you're delusional and you think the way to do

768
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: that is through I don't know, you know, making you know,

769
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: giving everyone free lollipops, then at least your intentions are good. Yeah,

770
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: I think it. Also it's it's what if everyone gets cavities? Sorry,

771
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: do you remember, I mean we all know you know

772
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: Tiger King, right, Yes, that was a self delusional, ethical delusion,

773
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: but there was something in his heart that we found

774
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: a little ounce of compassion for just a little bit. Yeah,

775
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit, you know, even though

776
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: we're like, Okay, this is like unethical what you're doing.

777
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the things. That's one of

778
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: the ones where I'm like, no, that's bad, Like I

779
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: think we shouldn't even have that empathy. Like I think

780
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: that's like, like I feel very like complicit and something

781
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: evil watching and even giving him empathy. Well, it's it

782
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: goes to show I guess like it wasn't his fault

783
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: that his delusion caused so much, right pain? Or was

784
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: it like the systems he was a part of that,

785
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: like encouraged it in a very specific way. I don't know.

786
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: I do want to generally, I'm sorry, this is from you. No,

787
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: Saint Tiger King is all I'm sorry. But like Netflix,

788
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: and I'm open to signing an overall deal with them,

789
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: but otherwise I think as a company they it's like

790
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: they're really bringing culture down. Yeah, I would have to agree,

791
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: but we actually have to get into the time. I know.

792
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, Kiko, what is

793
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: our surprise topic? So? Um, can you can you pitch

794
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: me the question? Kiko? What is our surprise topic? Straight topic? Okay?

795
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: So that that that's how the question was going to

796
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: be pitched. There's no question. It's just everyisode, every episode

797
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: focuses on a straight topic. Okay. No. I was kind

798
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: of saying like it would have been really cool if

799
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: you pitched me a question, right, So, Kiko, like what

800
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: is today's topic? So that's like the way that you're

801
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: going to do it? Yeah, I think so. I think

802
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna stick with that banks Okay, okay, so can

803
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: we just try it against you know, how would you

804
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: like me to ask the question? Do you want to

805
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: drop it in the chat and we can sort of

806
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: read your words? I just kind of wanted, like, um,

807
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: I kind of got excited about the possibility of like

808
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: it's like a segment. You know, Hey, guess what, listeners,

809
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: we got something really exciting coming up, and it's Keiko's

810
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: corner and she's got a topic that we have no

811
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: idea about, and I've got a pretty good feeling about it.

812
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: Kiko off to you. Hey everyone, UM, it's feel excited

813
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: to be here. I do have a topic I wanted

814
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: to talk about. Um, my topic is fear. Fear, fear, fear. Huh,

815
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: fear fear. Interesting, So your straight topic is fear fear.

816
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: My straight topic is fear. And and I think that

817
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: it's at first, when it hits you, it's going to

818
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: feel kind of like you're being hit by a big wave.

819
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what to make of it, but

820
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: ironically I'm afraid. Yeah, And I think that we just

821
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: go we we we follow the questions, you know, we

822
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: follow the questions. Okay, what LEDs? What context of fear?

823
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: I think a lot of straight culture is fear is

824
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: fear based and fear and fear perpetuated and fear motivated. Mmmm.

825
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: And I think, in the most reductive way to put

826
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: its fear, the opposite of fear is love, and love

827
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 1: is to me essentially queer. And I would even say

828
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: love is gay. Love is gay. Oh so you're saying

829
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: not the rest of the LGBT acronyms just gay. I

830
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: think that like well gay in the way of like

831
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: the word game, like it's stupid, but it's also like

832
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: not isn't what is the thing you guys are gonna get.

833
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get hate mail. Not gay isn't happy, Queer

834
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: isn't stupid. I think love is. I think love is

835
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: UM is gay. It's a gay as in stupid, but

836
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: also gay as in gayety and also gay as in queer.

837
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: Just kind of like it is all encompassing. I am

838
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: so on board. I want to go. I definitely think

839
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fear based um straightness in the

840
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: world that that clicks with me. UM. I would argue though,

841
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: that the opposite of fear is bravery, not necessarily low.

842
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: I think I disagree. Really yeah, I'm gonna disagree, and

843
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: I might actually even cite um cite some research. Oh wow,

844
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: please hit me with it. George is gonna love this. So,

845
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, bravery doom kind of mean like being courageous

846
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: in our lives. Yeah, so courage is um. People often

847
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: think like, okay, being vulnerable is the opposite of being

848
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: courage courageous. But as we all know, burn A Brown

849
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: would say, in order to be courageous in our lives.

850
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: The research shows that for what forty data points that

851
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: you actually have to be vulnerable with your life. Vulnerability

852
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: precipitates being courageous because when you're vulnerable, you're open to

853
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: emotional risk, uncertainty, and fear. Okay, so I'm sorry, vulnerability

854
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: is the how did how do we get to vulnerability?

855
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: You have to be vulnerable in your life in order

856
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: to be courageous. And when you are vulnerable in your life,

857
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: you actually invite feelings such as joy, Um, you're open

858
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: to experiencing fear and failure. Got it? So you're saying

859
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: being courageous can't be the opposite of fear. Courage can

860
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: be the opposite of fear, because when because the same

861
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: thing invites both. God, Okay, it's also it's it's like

862
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: because the opposite of I mean, what is fear? Right? Okay?

863
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: So let's just take us from the top. Take it

864
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: from the top. Roll the tape. Yeah, let's start the podcast.

865
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: Let's ask ourselves what is fear? What is one thing

866
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: we're fearful of? Let's just take a case study example.

867
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of fish. Okay, we're afraid of fish? Okay, George,

868
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: what's something you're afraid of and be as deeper shallow

869
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: as you'd like failure. Okay, So people, I mean thinkers

870
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: would ultimately say this is you're afraid of death. Ultimately,

871
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: we're afraid of fish. Why are we afraid of the fish?

872
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: Because they might harm us? And that reminds us of

873
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: our own death failure. You know, that's a great one.

874
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: That was one of my examples that hit my head

875
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about straight culture, because when we

876
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: are afraid of fear and of failure, we're afraid that

877
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: no matter how hard we perform, it won't measure up

878
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: to some pre existing standard. And that prexixting standard was

879
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: designed by heteronormative, patriarchal culture. Straight culture because we put

880
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: so much emphasis on mail um and masculinity and male

881
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: people as success objects and women as you know, superficial

882
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: just uh accessories and beautiful objects. We can criticize them

883
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: from their bodies since they're like, you know, zero years old.

884
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I am. Actually, I'm like, Sam, how do

885
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: you I? I'm I need to talk through this, so

886
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: so I'm going to do that. Okay, try try. You're

887
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: saying that the framework of straight society is fear based

888
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: because everyone is trying to fit in um box. Like,

889
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: everyone is basically acting out of fear that they will

890
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: miss step. Yes and yes, and this is exactly what

891
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: Berne Brown says, fit uh people, there are two things

892
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: people want, I think they want. Look, there's one one

893
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: thing people will do, and there's actually the thing that

894
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: actually makes you happier. The first thing is fitting in,

895
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: and anyone, if they try hard enough, can fit in.

896
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: But fitting in is just social acclamation, right, It's a

897
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: skill that you can learn. But people mistake fitting in

898
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: for belonging because fitting in means will only accept you

899
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: if you're different, and belonging means will accept you no

900
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: matter who you are. Fitting in is will only accept

901
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: you if you're the same. No fitting no, fitting in

902
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: means will only accept you if you change who you are,

903
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: if you are different than what you exactly. We're asking

904
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: you to to not reveal yourself, right, right? And that

905
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: straight culture, so fitting in a straight culture belonging as

906
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: queer culture. Yes. And then you might be like, well,

907
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: don't aren't a lot of like aren't there straight people

908
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: who just feel comfortable in their own skin? And I

909
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: would say, well, then they're actually not participating in a

910
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: straight culture interesting And similarly, aren't there gay people that

911
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: all want to be exactly the same And I would

912
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: say that's a vestige of having built your whole life

913
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: trying to escape the pressure of straight culture. Right, Well,

914
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: it is shocking when people escape straight culture only to

915
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: reperpetuating and emasculate masculine parts of on an island. I

916
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: have literally no idea what you're talking about. Um, I

917
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: just kidding Chelsea wall Street gays. But also I'll say

918
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: this because we're it's like okay, and then it's like, oh,

919
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: does that mean that all the cool Brooklyn gays are

920
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: not guilty of this or do they just do it?

921
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: But they all are wearing like little chains? Wow? And

922
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: that's the difference between fitting in and and truly creating

923
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: a sense of community and belonging. We all want to belong,

924
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: but sometimes in our desire to belong we will sell

925
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: ourselves short and just fit in because it's a quick fix,

926
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: and it means you don't have to actually, um have

927
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: any emotional risk in your life. And then your framework

928
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: fitting in is fear based belonging as love based. Yeah, wow, Sam,

929
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm my mind is blown. I think, I you know,

930
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was expecting, and this is

931
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: truly a surprise for it to be um such a

932
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: genuine uh take, And I think there's a lot of

933
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: truth to it. I'm trying to think about, like trying

934
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: to parse it out and think like, like there are

935
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: things like what how do like where do like trends

936
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: fit in? Like you're always a product of time and

937
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: context no matter what, and like if are like partaking

938
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: in in that just that is that fear based? Is

939
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: that not belonging? I'm maybe making it more complicated, but

940
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I think it's like, okay, but what

941
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: if what about trends? I think, but I think that

942
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: that's that's so important. Sam. I'm actually so glad that

943
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: you brought up trends and kind of like fashion, is

944
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: that what we're talking about? You? I think that that's important,

945
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: That is crucial for us to discuss because because because

946
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: that because it's like, what about trends? Trends are really fun, right,

947
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: but you have to you have to ask yourself. Sorry, Mike, Sorry,

948
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: I hit it really hard. Listen. I hope that it

949
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: will come up. Thank you for apologizing to your Mike. Yeah,

950
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean it really comes down to this, are you

951
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: trying to fit in or are you just having fun?

952
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: You know? And just I mean fashion will I mean

953
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: it's this is complicated, Sam, because fashion tries to sell

954
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: you the message of authenticity to move their products. Right.

955
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, where this lipstick and you're just expressing yourself. Look,

956
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: they're actually ninety shades of lipstick to express yourself. Or

957
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: this same compact powder that was made in the same

958
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: factory somehow is special because it's in this packaging, right,

959
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: So branding will try to um exploit authenticity because they

960
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: know people are seeking it. M H. And the industry

961
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: because we were so deeply conflated about about how to

962
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: navigate that we don't we have really lost touch with

963
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: um what it means to express ourselves authentically. Yeah. I

964
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: haven't expressed years me too, Like truly, I would say,

965
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: and I mean this, um sincerely. This past year when

966
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: I really just like shut down so much of the

967
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: outside world was so refreshing because truly, now I am

968
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: re emerging, maybe sand maybe this will like give you

969
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: the green light. I'm re emerging with middle thinkers in

970
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: the air blazing. I do not care. I don't care

971
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: about what anyone thinks. I don't care if, um, I

972
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: feel pressured to go to something. I don't care if

973
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 1: I feel pressured to put on a show. I don't

974
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: care what the industry thinks of me. I don't care

975
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: if I'm doing enough or too little, because I have

976
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: survived a year doing absolutely whatever I want and like

977
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: never felt better about it. And I'm saying all this

978
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: kind of like dramatically, like sure, there might be sometimes

979
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I wonder what they think of me,

980
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: but like eventually it's like, okay, well whatever, Yeah, I

981
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: just I think it's interesting because it's so funny. Sam

982
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: and I we're having this conversation right before we got

983
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: on Mike where I was like, literally, the solution to

984
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: everything we're saying is to leave, is to just not

985
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: interact with people unless you absolutely want to, like not

986
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: just like jump into this like ship river of social

987
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: media every day where like literally what everyone does is

988
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: ship in it and then drink out of it. And

989
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: that's just like every single minute of every day. But

990
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: I like, but um, but the thing is, and this

991
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: is like I feel like this is almost an elephant

992
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: in the room and your in your theory is basically,

993
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is like, where does money

994
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: fit into all of this? Because here's my here's my

995
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: thing is like I think, as I'm getting older, I

996
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: do care less about what people think of me, and

997
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: I do care less about where I fit in in

998
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,959
Speaker 1: a specific little subcommunity. What what um what various random

999
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: acquintances think of me? Whatever? But I actually, as I

1000
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: get older, care more about money because it's like, it's

1001
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: not it's not yes, and I want ultimately stability. It's not.

1002
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: It's like I care about that so much more than

1003
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: being cool or or I don't know, being on trend

1004
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: or whatever else like, And I actually think, if anything,

1005
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: that's even more fear based. But then there's like it

1006
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: sucks because there's actual legitimacy to it, Like it is

1007
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: true that if I align myself somehow with capital, then

1008
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: I will have a more stable and and and calm

1009
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: life at least in the short term. Yeah. Well, okay,

1010
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna give you I could talk

1011
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: about this topic you just talked about for a two

1012
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: hour straight uninterrupted no water two hours straight water to

1013
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: two hours straight uninterrupted no water attracted. I really was

1014
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: pushing for that. Maybe a thought we'll put your little

1015
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: riff from before under that perfect So I know there

1016
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: were a guest on your podcast before, David Odyssey, and um,

1017
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: David and I talk about this a lot. As you know,

1018
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: David and I have a lot of overlapping interests, astrology, numerology, spirituality.

1019
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: The world is heading, the world is changing, and the

1020
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: way that we think about money has to change. And

1021
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: maybe the way you're thinking about it now is like

1022
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: you're reckoning with how you want to think about it,

1023
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: because the way that you see, like I will only

1024
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: make money if I align myself with capital. That is

1025
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: just one framework. That's one framework, but that's not the

1026
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: only it's not the only framework. Because you even said

1027
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: it yourself. You don't really want money. You want stability,

1028
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: you want security, or maybe you just want things right.

1029
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: You want like a beautiful chair or like you know,

1030
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: something to decorate your apartment with, or food enough food

1031
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: to not have to worry about it, or whatever we want.

1032
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: We want these bigger underlying things. But money is ultimately

1033
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: just like an energy energy to get it, and the

1034
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: way we accumulate wealth is what I think going to

1035
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: be different in the in the future. And this is

1036
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: now truly me no no financial degree. Drag queen in

1037
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: New York City telling you everyone here on this podcast

1038
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: about how to make money. Kiko, should I invest in

1039
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: doge coin? Yeah? Absolutely, It's in the news, isn't it. Oh,

1040
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: I did not think that's where that was going. You're like,

1041
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: it's actually really going to change invest in dodge doge coin?

1042
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: I know, I think tell us how how it's how

1043
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: money is going to change. There are people, I mean,

1044
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: I have I think about this a lot um. I was.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember There's this documentary called Happy and it

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: was about like they were doing happiness studies. So they're

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01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: taking research from several different longitutional studies about happiness about

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Speaker 1: people all over the world, some people who made nothing

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01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: and like we're living basically in poverty, and some people

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Speaker 1: who are like so rich but then just like sad,

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: like fundamentally depressed and sad right still searching for meaning

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Speaker 1: in their lives. They research goes to say that if

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Speaker 1: you make over like I think seventy a year, your

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01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: happiness doesn't increase. And you know in the pie chart,

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of your happiness is genetic right, Like there

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01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: is a genetic set point for like depression and and

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: things like that or um, it's in your genes. Then

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01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: there is um uh that is external factors. Oh sorry,

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: is external factors right? Like um money status? Uh whatever

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Speaker 1: you know, you get it, uh money status power? Right.

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Speaker 1: The third one is internally defined, which is community uh

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Speaker 1: personal growth uh, community and relationships and a sense of belonging.

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Speaker 1: Right So like of your own happiness is self determined,

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Speaker 1: which is okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I know I

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Speaker 1: just give have a crazy Ted I give a really

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01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: crazy rough draft of a Ted talk just now. That

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Speaker 1: was pretty I want no one to follow that to

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01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: a t and you should. Everyone should fact check me.

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01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: But how is money going to change? I think if

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Speaker 1: you keep selling yourself in a certain way, you can

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01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: go ahead do that. You probably will make a lot

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01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: of money. But you're going to be unhappy. So just

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: don't do it. So don't make money. Don't do it.

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Speaker 1: We'll make a tasteful amount. Well, no, I would kill

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Speaker 1: a tasteful amount of money. George. You're seeing it as

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Speaker 1: a binary, right, Like I do my own thing, I

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Speaker 1: don't make money, or I do what I don't want

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01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: and I do make money, right, So so you're saying, like,

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Speaker 1: why not just when you change your mindset from instead

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Speaker 1: of what can I sell to make money, say what

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Speaker 1: can I do to serve? And I know that sounds

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01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: really cheesy. I'm kind of paraphrasing Marian Williamson. I don't

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01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: want to make a political because before she's running for president,

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01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: she was just like super hippy deep and giving speeches. Um,

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01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: change it to a service mentality, because then you're you

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01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: change the subconscious thinking of I do not have something

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01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: and I need to gain something from I have enough

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01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: to give away, and the universe says you will only

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: get what you believe yourself to have. And now I

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01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: have transformed into us person And I'm so fucking Union Square. Wow,

1091
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: this is not at all what I expected to this

1092
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: podcast to go. And I'm I'm I'm loving it. I'm

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01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: loving it to all in. I'm like, I feel a

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01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: sense of urgency for Kiko to give me every answer

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01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: I want so that my life will be like materially

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01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: different by the time we hang up this call, and

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01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: I do feel the time running out. Yeah, we we

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: actually do have our next guest coming on very are

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Speaker 1: you kidding me? Well, well, regardless of that, I just

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01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: want maybe we can just cut this for listeners. I want,

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01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, everyone, don't just take what I say like verbatim,

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Speaker 1: you know, take with a grain of salt, do your

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Speaker 1: own research. I'm just encouraging you to really think of

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01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: yourself and assess your frameworks for your own self worth.

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01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: I do you want to Yeah, I want to go

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Speaker 1: back to fear a little bit to close out at least,

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01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, So what advice would you give to people

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01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: that are trying to not live in fear? Be grateful?

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01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: And I God, I'm sorry. I hate myself and I

1110
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: love myself for saying that, but it's true. It's true.

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01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: It's you. I'm a at the end of the day,

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: I am a comedian in some ways, and I have

1113
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: to laugh about it. That the more you just are grateful,

1114
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: because you can be grateful for something if you are

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01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: here with a mind and you know you can be

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01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm breathing right now. If also watched the

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01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: finale of Midnight Gospel, that is a that is a

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01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: whole sermon right there. You can skip the beginning episodes.

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01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: You can. I didn't realize you were such a I

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Speaker 1: guess I had no idea. I didn't realize I was

1121
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: about to say you was a spiritual queen. I actually

1122
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but I didn't realize you were such

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01:07:55,640 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: a kind of Maryan Williamson Renee Brown. Yeah, I am,

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01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I'm a white suburban mother who

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01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: wants to stay home and research laundry tips. That's yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm Also it's so funny talking to you about all

1127
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: this stuff because you are correct, like like we all

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: should be like grateful for what we have, and it

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Speaker 1: was like, that's a lot. But it like George and

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01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: I specifically are like like especially we have been on

1131
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: this podcast extremely cynical, making fun of these exact words,

1132
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: and um, it's funny to be like, oh, maybe that's

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: why we're in constant bad moods. But you know my

1134
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: famous theory or not theory, but belief that being an

1135
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: optimist is pessimistic and being a pessimist is optimistic. I

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01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: feel like this is this is related where it's like

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of what Kiko is talking

1138
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: about can be said in a cynical way to try

1139
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 1: to sell books, for instance, and that is actually like bad.

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: But the way Kiko saying it, which is in a

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01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: way that creates, you know, creates space for us to

1142
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: explore our experiences and is expansive, and you know the

1143
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: podcaster's prayer. She is literally giving something to someone who

1144
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: might need it. That is good. I think all this,

1145
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: I think self help is I genuinely love self help.

1146
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: I also equally genuinely think it's hilarious. And this is

1147
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,759
Speaker 1: and this is why I'm so drawn to it, because

1148
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: like I have boughten so many books that I've read

1149
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: ten pages. I've been like, well that I'm never picking

1150
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: it up again. And then there have been other things

1151
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: I keep watching and watching, and I was like, this

1152
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: is so funny. I really am someone who picks up

1153
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: makes myself t Hod holds, holds the cup, looks at

1154
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: the tea bag, reads a quote, and I say, they're

1155
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: they're talking to me right now. They're talking to me.

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: They're talking to me Kiko right now. And I think

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: like being able to hold those two things makes it

1158
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: not seem like, oh my gosh, I'm now baring my

1159
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: soul and I'm like to the universe and I'm like

1160
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 1: Pocahontas in the wind icon, right, yeah, yeah, I'm arguing here,

1161
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: but like, you know, the you can be vulnerable and

1162
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: then you can also like laugh at yourself along the way.

1163
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I like about comedy, and

1164
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: I think like, and that's why I think I've increasingly

1165
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: become disinterested in comedy that is just um mean and

1166
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: you don't have to be cheesy. But it's not just

1167
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,600
Speaker 1: the mean thing. I think it's the coming from a

1168
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: position of well, it is the lack of vulnerability. It's like, yeah,

1169
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: it's like basically being like I'm iron clad and my

1170
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: job is to poke holes and other things, rather than

1171
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: the comedy coming from within, right, Not everyone needs to

1172
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: be like Hannah gets me in the net, you know,

1173
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: Like no, in fact, fewer people should, you know. And

1174
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: in fact, I think people are now fearful, fearful to

1175
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: try and be like that because that was so incredible

1176
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: in its own way. But like, get up on Mike

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01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: and at least tell us who you are, Like actually,

1178
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, this is what my boyfriend's always telling me

1179
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: that really, yeah, I mean, I'm better at it now.

1180
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm more or you know, I was

1181
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: more honest right before pandemic and like saying my actual

1182
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: beliefs on things. But when I first started, there was

1183
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: a cool, like three year period where I was like, no,

1184
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: I like to not give them anything about me, and

1185
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: I think it's like fun and interesting, but you know,

1186
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: we're always growing and evolving and there's something to it,

1187
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: but it's it's flawed. I think it's limiting. Um wait,

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Speaker 1: I do think we should do our final segment, and

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01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: I want to say, um kiko, this has been wonderful

1190
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: in general. I'm sorry to rush to the final segment

1191
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: not at all makes me wish we had a Patreons.

1192
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: We could uh do a Patreonal in the episode for

1193
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: our most loyal listeners where you told them what to

1194
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: do with their lives. I think that and that would

1195
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: you make money from that and see that? And I

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01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: would do that because I'm trying to serve people, not

1197
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to align with capital and I like,

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01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: do that for the money, right right right, right right, okay,

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Speaker 1: uh keiko. Our final segment is called shout Outs, and

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01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: we do a shout out sort of in the style

1201
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: of two thousand one TRL. You're shouting after your squad

1202
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: back home, but about something that you're enjoying something. It

1203
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: can be literally anything at all. Um, and I actually

1204
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: have one, so I can start. George, we kind of

1205
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: talked about it when we hung out recently, and UM,

1206
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do it. What's up, listeners, I just

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Speaker 1: want to give a huge shout out to my girl, Demilvato.

1208
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: I used to hate you and I used to make

1209
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,799
Speaker 1: fun of you all the time, and I've recently realized

1210
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm the dumb bitch. You're a guy and the genius

1211
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: and your songs are incredible, Semi Lavato. You seems like

1212
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: you're kind of always going through a tough time and

1213
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: I want you to get it together because girl, we

1214
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: need you strong. I forgive you. I love you, and

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01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I am sorry that I was meaning to

1216
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: you for years. Um wo wow woo. I love that

1217
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I am sorry instead of sorry not sorry. Yeah,

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01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: I kind of played with that. It's really interesting, but um, George,

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01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: you sure, I'll go. Um, what's up? Freaks of Losers?

1220
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: It's yah, boy, George, and I want to give a

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Speaker 1: quick shout out to That's right, Alison Romans. Shall it pasta?

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01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: Remember her? From February twenty twenty. Well, you'll never guess

1223
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: what I did last night in May of one. That's right.

1224
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: For the first time in my life, I made Hollis

1225
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: and Roman shalla pasta and guess what, guess what? Right

1226
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: up to that hype, I loved it. I had it

1227
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: for leftovers today and I have the second half of

1228
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: the shallow taste and a little jar in my bridge

1229
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: and I cannot wait to have it either with eggs,

1230
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: with a chicken or with another umia. I have to

1231
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: say I was about to say, I was about to

1232
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: say that it's um that one of the nice things

1233
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: about it is that it's vegan, but no, it has

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01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: twelve and twovies either. But if you canny fish. Who Wow,

1235
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: that really brought me back. Damn. I kind of missed

1236
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: a year ago. I know, um weird, Well, not exactly

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01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: a year ago, but like a year and three months ago. Yeah,

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: a year in three months ago. Things were so simple. Yeah,

1239
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: um okay, Kiko hit us with whatever you want. Hey,

1240
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: you idiots and everyone out there who's struggling with cystic acne.

1241
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: I just want to say shout out to spearmin Tea.

1242
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: Some dermant hologists say that if you drink two to

1243
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: three cups of screaming tea a day for three months straight,

1244
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: you could be clearing up your skin with the same

1245
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: power as taking over the counter or prescribed medications. If

1246
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: you want to have a remedy that is good for

1247
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: your body and also really easy to do, get on

1248
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: that experiment. Tea Grace because I have been guzzling it down. Baby.

1249
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: I make myself a coffee and then I also make

1250
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: myself the germon tea I put in the bridge, and

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01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: I have a chilleds gramon teeth in the afternoon. And

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Speaker 1: that's not all. I also want to give a shout

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Speaker 1: out to Imagine Dragons. Your Your new single follow You

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Speaker 1: is so fun and I know some people really like

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Speaker 1: Stopped Believing in you act. You came with Origins in Death.

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Speaker 1: That album did not have a lot of hits like

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Speaker 1: Evolved in two thousand seven. We really love the new

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Speaker 1: single and we're just happy that you're here and you're back.

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Speaker 1: So everyone out there, hope your skin is good and

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Speaker 1: keep listening, keep rocking. Love is love. You are trying

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Speaker 1: to sink our podcast shouting out to it now. I'm

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Speaker 1: like you are the joker, like I have absolute. You

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Speaker 1: were Mary Ann Williams in the whole time. But you

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Speaker 1: are the joker. You are simply I mean talking about

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Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus. Can't be teamed. This is insane. You went

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Speaker 1: through all your eras in the Spanish, all of Miley

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Speaker 1: Cyrus's eras in the span of this recording. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: um Roke Rocke classic callback, classic callback. Well and with that,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for yeah, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for doing it. This was a lovely little convo. I

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Speaker 1: needed it alright, Okay By