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You're at the volume. 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: Happy Friday, everybody, hope all if you guys had an 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: incredible week. Well as promised every other Friday, we have 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: the guys from Nerd Sesh coming on the show today. 33 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: I wanted to do kind of a similar type of 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: idea to what we did last week in terms of 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: kind of bouncing around the league and hitting a bunch 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: of topics. But instead of doing teams today, we're going 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: to do players. And so I've got another game for 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: us to do where I've got five questions about NBA 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: players that are firmly split between two players, and we'll 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: have to pick between one or the other. 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: All Right, So, without. 42 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: Any further ado, we're gonna start with you, Carson, who 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: is most likely to go on a deep playoff run 44 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: this year, Lebron James or Steph Curry. 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: Well, I want to start by saying that I think 46 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 4: it's unlikely when you're talking about deep, like a final 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: sort of run for either of these teams in probably 48 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 4: Western Conference Finals too. But I still clearly think that 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 4: it's Lebron, and the reality is just that he would 50 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: have to do less superhero stuff for the Lakers to 51 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 4: make say, Western Conference Finals run than Steph would, And 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 4: the obvious reason there is that he has another superstar 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 4: caliber player on his team and Anthony Davis, who could 54 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: be their best player for a series. There's nobody on 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 4: the Warriors who could possibly carry that sort of load. 56 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: He also has the backbone that is ad specifically defensively, 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 4: and the fact that the Lakers can reach a defensive 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 4: ceiling where they're dominant, and that was the driving factor 59 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 4: of their success in last year's run. So I think 60 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: that Lebron can get to a special level, but he'll 61 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: be able to pick his spots more even in a 62 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: playoff run where it doesn't have to be every single night. 63 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 4: I'm doing what Steph did in Game seven versus the Kings, 64 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: because that's kind of what it feels like this Warriors 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 4: team would need to make some noise. And I do 66 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: think the elite size in the front court makes the 67 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 4: Lakers match up much better against some of those other 68 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: super big, physical teams in the West, the Nuggets, the Timberwolves, 69 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: the Warriors are just going to be outmatched physically in 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: those matchups. The lack of a second dynamic shot creator, 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 4: it's just too costly for them. So I have felt 72 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: all year that it's I still feel, even as both 73 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: these teams have struggled, that it's definitely LA. 74 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: Those are the two biggest points for me with the Lakers. Two, 75 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: he has Anthony Davis to rely on, and they're just 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: physical as hell, and their athletic as hell their biggest hill. 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: And the Warriors, sadly like as much as I like 78 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: the conglomerate of assets that they have, the bench pieces 79 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: that have stepped up, you know, shout out Bepod, shoutout 80 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: KAMINGA for going crazy, shout out TJD. Like I like 81 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the Warriors pieces, but they don't have 82 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: a dominant number two they are at physical disadvantages, and 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is the best player you know this season 84 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: out of the two guys like Steph just doesn't have 85 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: that luxury. So I also think it's the Lakers, and 86 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: I think they're more for looking at this from a 87 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: trade toline perspective, I know we bring this up every 88 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: time we talk about LA. I think, considering that they 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: are the Los Angeles Lakers, they don't have a core 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: like the Warriors do, they are more likely to make 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: a game changing move at. 92 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 5: The deadline as well. 93 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if we go back a month, it's 94 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: a chasm between the two. I think, like there's it 95 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: was just so much more clear that the Lakers were 96 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: more primed for that type of playoff run. But some 97 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: things have changed. For instance, Andrew Wiggins is starting to 98 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: play a little bit better. Jonathan Kamingo over the course 99 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 2: of the last like three weeks is basically on. He 100 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: went from not having a single consecutive stretch of twenty 101 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: point games in his career to what's he on, like 102 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: seven or eight of them in a row now, So 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: like you have the rise of Jonathan kaminga even on 104 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: the other end of things for the Lakers, like we 105 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: went from, you know, like Jared Vanderbilt is vitally important 106 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: to this team, and we got an announcement today that 107 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: he's going to be out for at least a few 108 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: more weeks and that that season ending surgery is on 109 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: the table for Jared Vanderbilt, which wouldn't be a death 110 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: sentence for the Lakers, but would significantly cut into their 111 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: margin for air. So it is closer, But that said, 112 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: it's still the Lakers. It's a lot of specific reasons. 113 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: They have more star power. Like you said, there's more 114 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: secondary shot creation support for Lebron James, and even extending 115 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: into this the typical stuff that we know matters the 116 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: most when we get to the NBA playoffs. So, for instance, 117 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: the Lakers have the size to match up with a 118 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: lot of teams that other teams do not. The Lakers 119 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 2: have more superstar talent than the Warriors have. The Lakers 120 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: have even just among the guys in their rotation that 121 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: are younger, they're younger players with playoff experience. Now, Ruby 122 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: Hachimura was there for the deep playoff run, Austin Reeves 123 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: was there for the deep playoff run. A lot of 124 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: these guys like Pozemski, fray Jackson, Davis. They're like Kaminga, 125 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: barely played in last year's playoff runs. So like, I 126 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: think they're just more primed. Even if we do acknowledge 127 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: that that trend is flipping, and I want to be 128 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: clear that trend is flipping, because I actually see the 129 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: Warriors going on a Lakers esque second half run for 130 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: a bunch of specific reasons. One, they have the fifth 131 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: easiest remaining schedule in the NBA, which, especially if you 132 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: factor in the Western Conference where just I was digging 133 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: into the numbers the other day, the West is just 134 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: so much deeper with talent from the top to the bottom. 135 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: It was even I can't remember the exact numbers, but 136 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: I pulled up like the head to head records, and 137 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: the Western Conference teams have like have like a thirty 138 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: wins in the positive over five hundred over Eastern Conference 139 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: teams had to head this year. Like, the West is 140 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: just deeper, and the Warriors have had a hillacious schedule 141 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: to start the year with Draymond playing in only twenty 142 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: of the games, and so I think there's a lot 143 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: of potential for the Warriors to go on that type 144 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: of run. 145 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: But again, when you get down to like. 146 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: The playoff groupings, and it's like it's probably gonna be 147 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: Steph Clay, Andrew Wiggins, Johnathan Kaminga, and Draymond Green. It's 148 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: just with some of the decline we've seen from Klay Thompson, 149 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: with Jonathan Kaminga being so young, it's just hard to 150 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: pick them in a series the way that you can 151 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: kind of see the Lakers kind of getting to that point. 152 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: I want to be clear though, like both of these teams, 153 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: they're both kind of poised to head into that play 154 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: in tournament range. And our top two teams in the 155 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: Western Conference of the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Minnesota Timberwolves, 156 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: two teams that are extremely good. And I'm not trying 157 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: to sit here and undercut the good that they bring 158 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: to the table. But between some of the limitations that 159 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: we've talked about with the Timberwolves and some of their 160 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: late game execution, their clutch offense has been garbage in 161 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: the last month or so, and then you look at 162 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: the Thunder and some of the limitations they have as 163 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: being a young and small team. It's kind of crazy 164 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: because I agree with you, Carson, both of these teams 165 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: are seemingly in worse position than they were last year. Yeah, 166 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: it's like you get into that seven eight slot and 167 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: you have a chance. It's like, man, I don't think 168 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: it's off the table. So before we move on, I 169 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: want to give you guys one more follow up. Do 170 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: you think it's more likely than not that either team 171 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: pulls off a first round upset or more likely than 172 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 2: not that they both lose in the first round or 173 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: miss the playoffs entirely. 174 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: I think it is more likely than not, if we're 175 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 4: viewing them as a collective, probably that they lose in 176 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,479 Speaker 4: the first round or miss entirely, just because I'm struggling 177 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 4: to see it with the Warriors right now, and there 178 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: is a lot still that I like, and I know 179 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: that their record is poor, but by net rating like 180 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: they've been a better team than the Lakers. They've had 181 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 4: some of the worst late game execution and also luck 182 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: they've lost so many close games this year. They have 183 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 4: dealt with Draymond's absence for an extended period, and they 184 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: have been looking different as of late because of the 185 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: dynamic changer that is Jonathan Kaminga. But I still see 186 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 4: some irreversible issues with them and when I look at 187 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: a team like the Thunder, they're more athletic, they have 188 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 4: more dynamic shot creators, they're defending at a higher level. Yeah, 189 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 4: they're less experienced, but I just think Steph would have 190 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 4: to go supernova, and when SGA is opposite you and 191 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 4: he has the best supporting cast, that's just tough formula. 192 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: I still think the Lakers have the upside to beat 193 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 4: a whole lot of teams out West, not the Nuggets. 194 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: I think the Clippers would be a strong favorite. But 195 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 4: outside of that, Lebron and Ad and they have much 196 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 4: more secondary shot creation. As you mentioned from the perimeter, Jason, 197 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 4: if you're picking out the two dudes outside of that 198 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 4: star tier who, it's like, Hey, run me a pick 199 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 4: and roll, float my offense for six minutes. You want 200 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 4: Austin Reeves and you want D'Angelo Russell more than you 201 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 4: want anybody on. 202 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 5: That Warriors roster after Steph. 203 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 4: So unfortunately, I just think the path is too long 204 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 4: for the Warriors right now. 205 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 5: Only crazy. 206 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if we get those hypothetical matchups, I 207 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: think I might take LA and Golden State to win 208 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: to upset them both. I don't know, do the experience 209 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: factor really matters to me there. And you say that 210 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: it is a tall task to ask stuff to do that, 211 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: But I mean, is Steph giving us any reason to 212 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: doubt him? Like, I don't know, Man, I think in 213 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: that hypothetical matchup, I would pick the Lakers and the 214 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Warriors to both upset those young teams. Man, I'm gonna 215 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride with the old guard. 216 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: The tough one would be the Warriors the like I 217 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: think they would need to catch OKC in particular to 218 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: get that first round upset. But I think that's on 219 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: the table specifically, just because I really do think Golden 220 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: State would have just a huge experience advantage there. Draymond 221 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: Green too, You could just see him getting all into 222 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: the gamesman ship in the early phase of this series 223 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: to like snatch chet Holm, grind of his confidence, and 224 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: to do some things along those lines. I would lean 225 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: slightly more towards it's more likely than not that we 226 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: get one of those teams to upset somebody in the 227 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: first round. All right, moving on to our next question, 228 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 2: who has more pressure on them in this playoff runt? 229 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 2: Jannison tenne Kumpo or Jason Tatum. We'll start with you logan, 230 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: I would argue. 231 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: That Jason Tatum maybe has more pressure on his shoulders 232 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: than any other player in all of basketball this season 233 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: coming into the playoffs, considering his shortcomings in the playoff 234 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: stage that we've seen in late game scenarios where he 235 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: has a lock of lack of shot dynamicsm where he 236 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: has struggled when there's a lot of ball pressure applied 237 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: to him, where he's crumbled in these big moments. 238 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 5: To put it, you know, to put it simply. 239 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: And you couple that with the fact that Boston has 240 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: really gone all in on this core and they've invested 241 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: more into you know, this top five of this lineup. 242 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: They've got chrisoft Worzeingis, They've got Drew Holliday, They've got 243 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: Derek White, they've got Jaylen Brown. 244 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: Point. 245 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: If the Celtics don't get it done this year, it's 246 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: a major disappointment, and all of that blame is going 247 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: to fall on the shoulders of Jason Tatum. Considering the 248 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: fact that Jannis has already climbed the mountain, you know, 249 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Giannis can have as many Jannis can have 250 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: as many late game gaffs and poor you know, executions 251 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: in the clutch. 252 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 5: He got it done. 253 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: That's all that really matters. He had a fifty piece 254 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: on the biggest age. We saw Tatum in the finals, 255 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure he had a couple of good games, 256 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: but they crumbled against the Warriors. They had that series 257 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: in the back. That's his legacy until he changes it, right, 258 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: they crumbled in Game seven against the Miami Heat. That's 259 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: the Celtic's reputation, and that's Jason Tatum's reputation. Considering how 260 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: stacked the roster is, I think Tatum has more to 261 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: prove in these playoffs than anybody else in basketball. I 262 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: think he's got the kind of the way to the 263 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: world on his shoulders. Man, he's Atlas right now. 264 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 4: I agree, And I think that Logan makes a great point. 265 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 4: Once you have climbed the mountain once, and especially once 266 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 4: you've done it in the fashion that Yiannis did. And 267 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the run in terms of competition, 268 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 4: because you have the Nets down basically two of their 269 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 4: three stars, they had James Harden barely walking around, and 270 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 4: then the Hawks and a Suns team that was good 271 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 4: but maybe not totally championship ready. It's not about that 272 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 4: murderers row that he had to go through, but it's 273 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: about the level that he played individually, Like Jiannis was 274 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: unbelievable in that run and specifically in the finals. That 275 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: puts you in a different tier in terms of I 276 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 4: think the margin that you have and last year was ugly, 277 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 4: but he still has more margin. The expectations are different 278 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 4: also because he has done that and Tatum hasn't. But 279 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 4: Tatum is the guy who a lot of people, it seems, 280 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: want to crown as like one of the kings of 281 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: the league, right alongside jokicin Jannis, and I don't think 282 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 4: that he's quite on that level as a player, and 283 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 4: he does not have that sort of playoff resume, and 284 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: especially this year, he has everything everything going in his favor. 285 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: The Celtics have been overwhelmingly talented for the last couple 286 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: of years. This is a different level though. Man we 287 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 4: say this often on our show. They have five All 288 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 4: Star caliber basket players basketball players on the same team. 289 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: This is not just the most talented starting five in 290 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 4: the league. If you take away the number one guy, 291 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 4: the Nuggets starting lineup is really good, but the two 292 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 4: through five are not as loaded as what Boston has. 293 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,479 Speaker 4: It's one of the most talented starting fives of this century, 294 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: like legitimately in that top tier. And so when you 295 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: have the reputation where we do see the tremendous variance 296 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: from him game to game because of his reliance on 297 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: pull up threes where he's not always the most efficient. 298 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 4: When you think about some of the turnover issues that 299 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 4: he had in the finals run, especially in late game situations, 300 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: the offense just sort of devolving and Tatum is at 301 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 4: the center of that. Was really bad in Game seven 302 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: against the Heat, was bad in Game six against the 303 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: Warriors in the finals. It just feels like he is 304 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 4: a guy who has all of the perfect storm circumstances 305 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: coming together for this to just be a pressure cooker. 306 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 4: Like pressure's on him in basically every sense. He has 307 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: the overwhelming advantages and he hasn't proven it. This is 308 00:14:58,400 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: the year he's got to do it. 309 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I think Giannis definitely has some pressure, Like, yeah, 310 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: he's he's won one playoff series since he owaysted the 311 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: trophy in an Eastern Conference, by the way, that's pretty 312 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: top heavy, and usually if you have a decent regular season, 313 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: you have a very winnable first round matchup. Now, the 314 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: important context is there was no Chris Middleton in twenty 315 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: twenty two, and they lost to a Celtics team that 316 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: I didn't think they had much of a chance to beat. 317 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: And to Giannis's credit, he was amazing in that series. 318 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: And then obviously he missed games in twenty twenty three 319 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: with an injury. That said, he didn't play well in 320 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: that series against Miami, and a lot of the same 321 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: issues that plagued him before he was a champion rose 322 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: to the surface. He was turning the basketball over a lot, 323 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: he was missing a ton of free throws, and then 324 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: that lack of any sort of reliable over the top shot, 325 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: whether it's a hook shot or a little short jumper 326 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: or whatever it is. Those were big things that rose 327 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: to the surface when they lost to Miami last year. 328 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: Since then, Nikole Jokich has overtaken him by some clearly 329 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: discernible margin. I actually think I was actually thinking about 330 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: this the other day. I think I think the lead 331 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: that Jokic has over the league has become pretty significant 332 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, when you kind of look around 333 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: and you start to really parse out the strengths and 334 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: weaknesses of some of these guys. But then you know, 335 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: for Jannis, they go and trade for a bona fide 336 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: superstar guard. 337 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: To help him with all of that stuff. 338 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: So, like, I want to be clear, like if Yannis 339 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: loses in the first or second round, that's. 340 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: Not a good look. 341 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: So like there's definitely some pressure on him, and I 342 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: would I think we all agree that the Bucks, they 343 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: have the chance, they have the potential to win the title, 344 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: and they have the potential to lose in that first 345 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: or second round. They're very much a like a high 346 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: floor or a high ceiling low floor type of team. 347 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: That said, none of that even comes close to acknowledging 348 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: the fact that Yannis is a champion and Jason Tatum 349 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: is not. And when you really dig into it, I 350 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: one hundred percent agree. I put in my notes plays 351 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: in the most talented starting five in the league in 352 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: my opinion. He's about to turn twenty six years old 353 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: here in early March. That's the age where you start 354 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: to expect a young star to kind of break through 355 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: in the play and Boston's gonna like run away with 356 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: the number one overall seed. They are two point five 357 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: games up on the second seed, right now, and they 358 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: have an insanely easy remaining schedule. Their opponents for the 359 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: remainder of their schedule have only won forty five point 360 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: three percent of their games, just comically easy. And so 361 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: the other thing that kind of that kind of is 362 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: is showing, I would say, a point of pretty significant pessimism. 363 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: For me, one of the biggest discouraging elements of this 364 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: season from Jason Tatum has been, even though he put 365 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: on all this additional muscle, leaning so strongly into the 366 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: pull up jump shot. And so I wanted to give 367 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: you guys some numbers because we had a stretch there 368 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: late December early January where he had it going and 369 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: it was like, Oh, is he finally gonna break through 370 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: and this is gonna be like the. 371 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 3: Start of what all that hard work was. 372 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: For, is Jason Tatum becomes this dynamic pull up shooter 373 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: and then in ten games in his last ten games, 374 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: just thirty three for ninety three on pull up jumps shots, 375 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 2: just zero point nine to one points per attempt, basically 376 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: where he's been for years. And then the biggest concerning 377 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: part there is ninety three attempts in ten games. Yeah, 378 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: and that's nine point three per game. And so here's 379 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: the last stat that I want to give you, guys. 380 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: Seven players in the NBA this year have attempted at 381 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: least four hundred pull up jump shots. Jason Tatum four 382 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: hundred at forty six point six percent effective field goal percentage, 383 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards four hundred and thirteen on forty four point 384 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: three percent EFFECTI field goal percentage or another similar issue. 385 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: And that kind of goes to a lot of the 386 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: stuff I've talked about with Minnesota and like their potential 387 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: to lose a series, they shouldn't lose just because of 388 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: poor decision making by their primary shot creators. But this 389 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: is where it gets interesting. Sga four hundred and forty 390 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: attempts fifty three percent effective field goal percentage. Devin Booker 391 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: four hundred and forty one attempts fifty two percent effective 392 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: field goal percentage. Trey four hundred fifty ninettempts fifty two 393 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: percent effective filgal percentage. Jalen Brunson four hundred and seventy 394 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: six attempts fifty three percent effective filgal percentage. Luka Doncic 395 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: five hundred and sixty attempts fifty one percent effectiveilical percentage. 396 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: You know, what's a point of commonality between those five names? 397 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 5: Throw a guards there. 398 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: None of them are six nine freak athletes that are 399 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: just completely jacked. Like that's the difference. Like Shay has 400 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: good athletic tools, but he is not Anthony Edwards, like 401 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: Devin Booker as a two guard is a middle of 402 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: the pack athlete, if not a little bit below average. 403 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 2: Trey Young is not an athletic guard. Jalen Brunson is 404 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: not an athletic guard. Luka Doncic is a ground bound forward. 405 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: They need to rely on those types of shots and 406 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: they're way better at them. And Jason Tatuman, if you 407 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 2: look at it, that's half of his shot diet. He's 408 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: going into games in actively hunting and pursuing these shots 409 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: and he can't make them at a high enough clip 410 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: for to make sense for him to do so. And 411 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: so to me, like when we came into this season, 412 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: we all agreed that the number one thing that mattered 413 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: as it pertained to Boston and their ability to win 414 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: the title was going to be offensive process. Could they 415 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: be deliberate enough to to get the right shots consistently 416 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: enough to win the against against another team that's on 417 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: their tier, a team like Milwaukee, a team like Denver, 418 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: a team like the Clippers, right, and like that to 419 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: me is just screaming like he doesn't get it. He 420 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: didn't get it. And like once again last night, I'm 421 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: watching him and he had a couple of tough ones 422 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: and it's like I'm watching him, I'm like, dude, you 423 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: were the best player on this floor by a mile, 424 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 2: by a mile, and you're and you're actively hunting some 425 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: of the toughest shots that a basketball player can take 426 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: in a game. It was it was definitely discouraging. But 427 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: I'm off my soapbox sorright, So let's move on to 428 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: our next topic. Who is more likely to perform well 429 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: in this year's postseason run, Damian Lillard or James Harden. 430 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: Let's start with you, Carson. 431 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 4: What I think is difficult about this question is that 432 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 4: they're in such different context and so it's like, how 433 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 4: do we evaluate performing well when James Harden is going 434 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 4: to be a third option who is matching up with 435 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: teams third best perimeter defenders, and whose primary responsibility is 436 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: going to be to facilitate the offense really and then 437 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 4: pick his spots right attacking maybe some of those weaker 438 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 4: defenders in isolation and pick and roll and whatnot, as 439 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 4: compared to Damian Lillard, who has to be not just 440 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 4: his team's second best player overall, but maybe their best 441 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 4: offensive player period if that team wants to make noise 442 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 4: in the playoffs, and in terms of half court offensive creation, 443 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: by far their number one guy. You talked about how 444 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 4: Yiannis melted down under those circumstances last year against a 445 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 4: really great one on one defender like Bam who can 446 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 4: match up with him physically. That lack of shot making 447 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 4: can hurt him. The eternal can hurt him. As you said, 448 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 4: get into line. He can't convert in those situations. It's 449 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 4: gonna be about what Dame can do as this great 450 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 4: pick and roll shot maker and facilitator. So they do 451 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 4: have different roles, and I have been concerned by some 452 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: stuff with Dame as of late. I think the lack 453 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: of rim pressure. He hasn't looked quite as quick as 454 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 4: we're used to. His perimeter shooting has not been what 455 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: we're used to for a lot of this year. He's 456 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 4: just thirty four percent from deep and Harden has been 457 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 4: doing really well in his specific role. But I would 458 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 4: just rather have Dame for a playoff run. I think 459 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: that there is certainly more upside. I still can see 460 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 4: a takeover just flamethrower shooting run from him, and I 461 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: can see him creating a bunch of opportunities for his 462 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 4: teammates because of the stress that he puts on defenses 463 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 4: and demanding the guys come out thirty feet to guard 464 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 4: the pick and roll. Harden, I think, you know, is 465 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: gonna fall within some range, and maybe he is a 466 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 4: good efficient third option this year, but we've just seen 467 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 4: too many times before when he tries to carry that 468 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 4: heavier burden as a volume score, he falls apart for 469 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 4: various reasons. Last year, it was real struggles to get 470 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 4: to the rim and then against athletic defenses, an inability 471 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 4: to finish at the rim where he shot like thirty 472 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: percent in that playoff run. It is the reliance on 473 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: formulaic offense, which got better in last year's playoff run. 474 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 4: He was taking more mid range jumpers, but historically has 475 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 4: been an issue. It's the reliance on getting to the 476 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 4: line when you're not gonna get those same calls. For 477 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 4: all those reasons, Harden has consistently struggled to be the 478 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 4: same player in a playoff run that he is in 479 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 4: the regular season. This year could be different because he 480 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 4: doesn't have that same burden. But I just think Dame 481 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 4: is better, and I think that Dame has much more 482 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: potential to go on like a legitimately Torrent run where 483 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 4: you look at and you say, yeah, he was the 484 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 4: reason that they made it this far. 485 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Well, said Carson, I mean it really does come down 486 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: to like reputation. For me, Am I gonna go with 487 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 1: one of the biggest, you know, playoff chokers, the guy 488 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: who continuously lets us down? Or Am I going to 489 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: go with a guy who has a reputation as a 490 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: stone cold killer. I do agree with you, It's drastically 491 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: different situations, but I'm gonna go with the killer. I 492 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: believe when the chips are down that Dame's a gamer 493 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: and on the biggest stage, is Dame ups his game 494 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: another level. This has been a down year for Dame, 495 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: but I think on the biggest age there's just a 496 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: level of trust and confidence that I have in Dame 497 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: to step his game up. 498 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 5: So I'm going with Dame. 499 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because Carson, I think you did a 500 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: really nice job of breaking down the difference between the 501 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 2: two guys and what they're expected to do for their teams. Like, 502 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question that Dame is probably 503 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 2: a better player, you know, in terms of just like 504 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: what he can do to help a team in the playoffs. 505 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 3: But I think James Harden. 506 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: Just has much easier job on both ends of the floor. 507 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: By the way, like even at the like Dame actually 508 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: needs to be a decent perimeter defender for Milwaukee to 509 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: kind of reach their ultimate goals. He's got to be 510 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: engaged on that end of the floor, like James Harden. 511 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 2: They literally can just hide him because Terrence Man can 512 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: guard on the perimeter, because Paul George can guard in 513 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: the perimeter, because Kawhi Leonard can guard on the perimeter. 514 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: He's gonna consistently get his significantly easier perimeter defense assignment. 515 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 2: And then when he has the ball, he's going to 516 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: catch a significantly lesser perimeter defender in the way that 517 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: Dame is going to get the best of the guys, right. 518 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: And then one of the things that I thought was 519 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: really interesting, here's a stat for you guys. It's interesting 520 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: last year when James Harden shot below forty percent from 521 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: the field. The Sixers were seven and eight in the 522 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: regular season and three and four in the postseason, in 523 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: large part because like they needed him, they needed him 524 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 2: to be a guy who was consistently productive on the 525 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: offensive end of the floor. This year, the Clippers are 526 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: ten and six when James Harden shoots below forty percent 527 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: of the field, and one of those losses was in 528 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: that early stretch of the season when they were just 529 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: like unbelievably terrible. And so I think it's it's one 530 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: of those things where it gets it gets complicated because 531 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: I think these two players kind of get lumped in together, 532 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: and I actually want to ask a follow up regarding that, 533 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: but like, like the reality is is, like I think 534 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: we could come out of this postseason run thinking James 535 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: Harden is a better playoff player because he has an 536 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: easier job. And it's a great example of how when 537 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: we have these kinds of conversations, it's important to acknowledge 538 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: the difference in just what a player is expected to 539 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: do for their team relative to some of their peers 540 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: around the league. It was one of the biggest things 541 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: that bothered me back in like the like the twenty 542 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: eighteen finals or twenty seventeen finals, it's like, oh kd 543 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: outpit played Lebron. It's like he's not nearly asked to 544 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: do as much as what Lebron is asked to do 545 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: for his team. It's not even in the same ballpark. 546 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 2: And so those sorts of things need to be kind 547 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: of discussed when we're getting into those weeds. But before 548 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: we move on, who do you think has the more 549 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: impressive playoff resume, Damian Lillard or James Harden. We'll start 550 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 2: with you, Carson. 551 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 4: I honestly think that it's Harden, and I'm about as 552 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 4: low on playoff Harden as I feel like any reasonable 553 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 4: person would be. But the reality is Logan you talk 554 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 4: about the killer thing with Dame, and there is this 555 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 4: pervasive narrative that Dame is just a dude who steps 556 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: up to the big moment. But in terms of playoff production, like, 557 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 4: it's not like he's elevated his game from what we've 558 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 4: seen in the regular season. In fact, he's generally been inferior. 559 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 4: He had that awesome first round series in twenty twenty 560 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 4: one where he was like unstoppable. That's kind of the 561 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 4: only time that I've looked at Dame's playoff performance and 562 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 4: been like, oh boy, you really showed them. He's had 563 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 4: some rough series. Other than that, his career efficiency in 564 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 4: the postseason is significantly down, and Harden, yes has disappointed, 565 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 4: But it's about expectations to some extent, like he's coming 566 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 4: from these monumentally great, all time offensive regular seasons and 567 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: then he can't sustain that. And so if he gives 568 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 4: you thirty and eight on say, fifty nine percent true 569 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 4: shooting instead of thirty five and eight on whatever sixty 570 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 4: four percent truth shooting, you're like, that guy fell off. 571 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 4: He fell off relative to expectations, but he's still at 572 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 4: his prime. Was just a nightmare to with an isolation. 573 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 4: So the things that brought him down are very, very real, 574 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 4: and they're important. And I will always stand on the 575 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: side of regular season James Harden is not equivalent to 576 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 4: playoff James Harden. There's tangible reasons for that we've seen 577 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 4: time and again. So don't elevate him into the greatest 578 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 4: offensive players of all time conversation. But versus Dame, I 579 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 4: would argue that he's actually done more impressive things in 580 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 4: the postseason. 581 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: I honestly think I go with Dame. I understand what 582 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: you're saying, Carson. I mean to me, Harden's style of 583 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: play is always going to or when he was at 584 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: his apex, that style of play was always going to 585 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: suffer in the playoff context. 586 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 5: I think Dame was always more. 587 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: Of a seamless, you know, easy offense for his team. 588 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: And I also think that Harden's teams were always better. 589 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: I think Damien was elevating Portland rosters that weren't that 590 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: great to get there. Dame is not a great playoff performer, 591 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: but I would take Dame's moments what's your what's your? 592 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 5: And I hate that. 593 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: I feel like that's like a little bit of a 594 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: cop out answer, but like, yeah, what's James Harden's moment. 595 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 5: I don't know what James Harden's moment. 596 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 4: I means. James Harden's moment, I guess is like the 597 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 4: block shot, being the closest guy to beating the Warriors 598 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: in a playoff series for a half decade, when Dame 599 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 4: was getting bounced in the first round and then he 600 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: made it one time and without KD they washed him. 601 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 4: I don't like, it's not Jimmy Butler we're talking about it. Yeah, 602 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 4: Dame has this aura where people are like he rises 603 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: to the occasion, he's a different player, but he's really not. 604 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 4: And Harden may regress, but Harden's regressing again from all 605 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: time regular season player. Dame is coming from like fringe 606 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: top ten guy, and he's kind of remaining fringe top 607 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 4: ten guy. I don't know. 608 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: I think context matters a little bit with that too. 609 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Like I said, with his team, I don't think Dame's 610 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: teams were and Dame wasn't as good as Harden at 611 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: his apex, you know what I mean, Harden was the 612 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: better engine. I don't know, Dame has better moments and 613 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, Man, there's a the clutch factor. I 614 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: don't trust James Harden. I don't trust James Harden at all. 615 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: Man. 616 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: I've seen James Harden crumble. I haven't seen Dame like 617 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: completely collapse. 618 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: This is a tough one because like that, once again, 619 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot of context. Like you're right, dames moments 620 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: are better, and he's definitely been bigger, better and like the. 621 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 3: Bigger of the games. 622 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: But then again, like James Harden has more consistently been 623 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: you know, like he's a more accomplished regular season player, 624 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: he's usually led teams to greater success. But then it's 625 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: also important to acknowledge that I like, I don't think 626 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: Dames ever had a team like the like that twenty 627 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: eighteen Rockets team. 628 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 3: I just don't think he has. 629 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: I don't think he's had a team that's had Air 630 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: Gordon and Chris Paul and Clincapella and athleticism on the 631 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: wings that can defend. And like, I think it's complicated, 632 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: And I would say in terms of actual tangible accomplishment, 633 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: I lean towards towards James James Harden. But in an 634 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: in a vacuum, if I could pick a player for 635 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: their prime to put on like any basketball team, I 636 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: think I'd probably still take Dame over James Harden, which 637 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: I think is the final differentiator. All Right, two more 638 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: and then we're gonna get out of here, starting with you, Logan, 639 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: who is more likely to win the Western Conference? Luka, 640 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: Doncic or Kevin Durant. 641 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Kevin Durant. And I really like the 642 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks, guys. The Dallas Mavericks are one of my 643 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: favorite teams to watch, simply because they have Luka Doncic 644 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: and Kyrie Irving. They are awesome when they are on, 645 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: but whow are they ugly when they are bad? 646 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: Man? 647 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: The MAVs frustrate me beyond belief in their bad games 648 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: when it's the Grant Williams show. When it's the role 649 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: players suck on Both of these teams is what I'm 650 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: getting at. 651 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 5: Both the role players just completely blow and I don't 652 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 5: have any confidence in them to do anything. 653 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: Like Phoenix just has more top star power and I 654 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: can imagine kd and Beale and Book going crazy. They 655 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: just have more top guys like that really is the 656 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: sole difference for me. I can imagine Luca and Kyrie 657 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: getting hot, but I cannot imagine the role players playing 658 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: beyond their means. The MAVs are just too far away. 659 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: Like if you're giving Grant Williams big minutes, man, I'm sorry, dude, 660 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: your team's not doing anything. You're relying on Josh Green 661 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: and the boys, and there's just there's not enough there. 662 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: You need Dante Xim, you need Derek Jones, I'm sorry. 663 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: And the Son's role players aren't that great either, because 664 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: the Suns still have their fatal flaws. The reliants on 665 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: pull up jump shooting. I think Nurkic man, Carson, you 666 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: were right, dude. I was so wrong, Dude. I tried 667 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: to go to battle for nurk Bro. I tried to 668 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: go to battle for nirk and I can't do it anymore. 669 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 4: Dude. 670 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 5: He gets his he flips his hips, and that man 671 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 5: is running in cement back to the hoop. He is 672 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 5: just a mobile. 673 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: So like, I'm not confident in either of these teams. 674 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: But to me, the MAVs just don't have that third 675 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: guy and the Sun's due again. That feels like a 676 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: copound answer because the Suns are very flawed, Like I 677 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: can see them getting smoked defensively because a Nurkic. I 678 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: can see them being way too relying on pull up 679 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: jumpers and notching ninety five to one hundred points in 680 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: a couple of games because they just go cold from there. 681 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: They don't get enough pressure on the rim. But they 682 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: got d Booking KD, and they got Beal they can 683 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: rely on in certain games. And they got Grayson Allen 684 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: who's been great as a spot up guy and I 685 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: think he could swing a series. And there's just a 686 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: few more role guys in Phoenix that I trust, so 687 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: marginally I would go with the Suns, but I don't 688 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: have a ton of faith in either of these teams. 689 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 690 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 4: The one argument for the MAVs would be that Luca's 691 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 4: very likely going to be the best player on the 692 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 4: floor in a theoretical matchup between these two or he's 693 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 4: just the best player between these two teams, and in 694 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 4: playoff settings has been monumentally great. Has taken his unbelievable 695 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 4: regular season level and then gotten up another level. Part 696 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 4: of that maybe just from insane pull up shooting runs, 697 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 4: but there is the physical imposition he gets where he 698 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 4: wants on the floor. He's one of the three best 699 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 4: playmakers in the league, and so single handedly he can 700 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 4: carry you to some pretty special stuff. But it is 701 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 4: different when you're talking about a team that has two 702 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 4: top ten players in my opinion, in Kadie and Book, 703 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 4: both of whom can absolutely light you on fire. Kyrie 704 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 4: is still an unbelievable offensive player, but I think that 705 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 4: there's a level of separation between those guys and him. 706 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 4: And then it is the third dynamic creator off the dribble, 707 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 4: the third big time shot maker, the third guy who 708 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 4: can pressure a defense and also play make in Bradley Beal, 709 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: who doesn't exist for the MAVs. The Suns just have 710 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 4: more overwhelming offensive strengths. They do have issues logan. You 711 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 4: mentioned the lack of rim pressure, settling for mid range jumpers, 712 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 4: but they have just the personnel advantages and the spot 713 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 4: up shooting with Grayson Allen and Eric Gordon, guys who 714 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 4: have had really, really good pure shooting seasons. And then 715 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 4: if you look at the other side of the ball, 716 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 4: it's not exactly a beauty pageant, like the Suns are 717 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 4: gonna be okay defensively though, and the MAVs have just 718 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 4: been bad. The MAVs are an awful rebounding team. The 719 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 4: Sons have been quite a good rebounding team. I just 720 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 4: think they are the better all around basketball team. But 721 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 4: I don't think it's likely that either of these teams 722 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 4: make a deep run because primarily of my concerns on 723 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 4: the defense side of the ball, and then because of 724 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 4: some little things offensively. 725 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny if you look at the stats, it's 726 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: pretty clearly Phoenix just based on the stats. And I 727 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: want to dive into this a little bit. Since Dallas 728 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: started eight and two, they're eighteen and twenty in their 729 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: last thirty eight games. In that span, that's been the 730 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 2: nineteenth best record in the league, seventeenth in offense, twenty 731 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 2: third in defense, twenty sixth in defensive rebounding. They've had 732 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: a lot of injuries. I want to make sure that 733 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 2: that's clear. They've had fourteen different players start games for 734 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 2: them this season. But when Luca and Kyrie both play, 735 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 2: they're twelve and ten, which is pretty mediocre. On the 736 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 2: Suns front, Bradley Beal has played in eighteen straight games. 737 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 2: The Suns are thirteen and five in those eighteen games, 738 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 2: which is the fourth best record. 739 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 3: In the league. 740 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: They have the third best offense in the league over 741 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 2: that span, fourteenth in defense, twenty first defensive rebounding. Not good, 742 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 2: but better than Dallas has been. So the standings and 743 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: some of the numbers very clearly point the MAVs and 744 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: Suns as very different teams. But it does get complicated 745 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: when you start to look at the playoff setting. Because 746 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: I agree to put it in my notes, I think 747 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: Luca is the best player on either team. I think 748 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: he's a devastating playoff player with the unique capability to 749 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: strangle the pace, to make opposing stars lose confidence too. 750 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: He has uniquely different from Devin Booker and Kevin Durant. 751 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: He has the ability to really physically impose his will 752 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 2: on an NBA playoff game. I think all of that 753 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: is vitally important. And so this is where I get 754 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 2: into the kind of playoff setting and I want to 755 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 2: pitch this back to you guys for a second. So 756 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: if we agree that the core five for Phoenix is 757 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 2: going to be matchup dependent, but it's gonna probably be 758 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 2: Bradley Beal, Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Grayson Allen, and Eric Gordon, 759 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 2: with probably Nurkic in for Eric Gordon against teams that 760 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: have bigger centers, and then they'll probably go small against 761 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 2: other teams. The core five for Dallas, we're probably getting 762 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 2: Derek Lively and Grant Williams in that four or five spot. 763 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 2: Right then it's probably gonna be one of either Tim 764 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: Hardaway Junior, Josh Green, or Derek Jones Junior in that 765 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 2: three spot, depending on again, once what the matchup is. 766 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: This year, they've leaned a lot on Tim Hardaway Junior 767 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: in clutch time, which leads me to believe that they 768 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 2: probably go that direction. 769 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 3: I'd probably go with. 770 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 2: Josh Green or Derek Jones Jr. If it was my decision. 771 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 2: But it's gonna be one of those guys. And then 772 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 2: it's Kyrie and Luca. And when you really get down 773 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: to it, and you scale minutes up and you lean 774 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: heavily on those groups, and we acknowledge that there's a 775 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 2: diminishing return with a third star on the floor that's 776 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 2: a ball handler and kind of like a heavy ball 777 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 2: handling type of system. 778 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 3: Let's pitch it back to you, guys. 779 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: We'll start with you, with you Carson, When you really 780 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 2: dig into those five guys, which of those two lineup 781 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 2: groupings do you think has more capability of beating one 782 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: of the higher level playoff teams in the Western Conference. 783 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 4: It's an interesting question because in some ways that MAVs 784 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 4: lineup checks more different boxes in that you still have 785 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 4: your two shot creators, but then on the wings you 786 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 4: have a bit more physicality. At the very least, you 787 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 4: have your hyper athletic big who can impact the game 788 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 4: more defensively and as a rim finisher than Old Nurk, 789 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 4: who oftentimes look like he's stuck in cement, as Logan mentions. 790 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 4: So From that perspective, it's interesting because you think, if 791 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 4: the Suns are gonna get kind of bullied no matter 792 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 4: how good they are offensively, can they get enough stops 793 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 4: against another great team? And maybe the formula is and again, 794 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 4: both these teams are flawed defensively, but it does feel 795 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 4: like in terms of the physicality arena, the MAVs match 796 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 4: up a little bit better. Maybe that's their advantage, and 797 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 4: then Luca goes nuclear, But to me, the principle is 798 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 4: the same. I just think that's a more skilled offensive 799 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 4: lineup for the Suns. There's more ball handling, the more 800 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 4: dynamic shooting. Overall, neither of these teams are gonna win 801 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 4: a series on the back of their defense. So I 802 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 4: would take the team that I think has the better 803 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 4: path to to elite offense. 804 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: I would take Phoenix for two reasons. One, if the 805 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: Mavericks are forced to play the michelin Man Grant Williams, 806 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: they are doomed. 807 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 5: Oh my god, they're done. 808 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 4: For Two, that's Batman bro. 809 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: Put some respect on that dude, Logan. 810 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 2: Logan has just been just just straight slander in this episode. 811 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: Williams leaves is such a Bozoe man, all right, the 812 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: second reason I know that in theory, Dallas has the 813 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: personnel to be a good deal. I get what you 814 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: guys are saying with Grant's a little bit of a 815 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: stockier for should be able to match up physically well. 816 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: Derek Jones Junior has bounced. Derek Lively is a great athlete. 817 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: I've seen two really bad games, and I don't know 818 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: if there were injuries in these games, but there's two 819 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: games to me from Dallas that stick out like sore thumbs. 820 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: The one where Luca went crazy against Atlanta and Atlanta 821 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: kept pace that entire game. And then the other game 822 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: that I point to is when Dallas played Phoenix. Man 823 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: I was talking trash to all of my friends who 824 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: are Phoenix fans. I was like, oh, dude, Luca owns 825 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: your poverty franchise. You guys stink. And then the Suns 826 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: literally just came back and blew the Mavericks out. Like 827 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: you can have your qualms about the Sun's defense, I 828 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: don't think Dallas's defense is in a different enough tier. 829 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: I don't think their athletic advantages are enough to really 830 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: make a meaningful difference to me. I think they're you know, uh, 831 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: they're wet paper bag defenses. Man, you know, they just 832 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 1: you tear right through. 833 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 4: Them, and they're slower on the perimeter. Dallas, they may 834 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 4: be stronger, but they're slower. 835 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 2: They are I'm gonna I'm gonna take Luca and the MAVs. 836 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: I think let's use this as example. I don't think 837 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 2: either team has really any chance to beat Denver, but 838 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 2: let's look at like a Clippers matchup, Like the Clippers 839 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 2: would just play Suns basketball and do it better and 840 00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 2: beat them the I could see Luca strangle the pace, 841 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 2: playing them into their worst tendencies, physically imposing his will 842 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 2: on the game, picking on matchups like, I don't think 843 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 2: either of these teams are that good or that either 844 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 2: of them really have that type of you know, I 845 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 2: should say not. They both have championship potential, but like 846 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 2: I mean like real, like you know, like substantial championship potential. 847 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 2: But if I had to pick one guy to notch 848 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 2: an upset in a later round and maybe just sneak 849 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 2: his way in, I'm gonna take Luca in that group. 850 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 2: But I think I think a lot of people are 851 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 2: off of his scent after last year's uh missing the playoffs, 852 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,280 Speaker 2: and I just I think I'm on the fence between 853 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 2: the two, and given that circumstance, I'm gonna lean towards Luca. 854 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 2: All right, last one before we get out of here, 855 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 2: We'll start with you, Carson, who would you rather build 856 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 2: a franchise around if you were starting from scratch right now? 857 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards or shake Gil just Alexander. 858 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 4: This is a real heartbreaker of a question, And in fact, 859 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 4: we did before this season like to top ten guys 860 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 4: twenty five and hunderd to build a franchise around. I 861 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 4: believe I had them either three and four, four and five, 862 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 4: and I had ANT one spot above SGA. I think 863 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 4: I'm gonna flip now, Oh did I have SGA above? 864 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 5: Had we both had SGA four? ANT five? 865 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 4: All rightect, I never switch up. I'm sticking with SGA then, 866 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 4: And I think that what's talk about this conversation is 867 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 4: we are viewing a more final version of SGA. It 868 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 4: just in that he's a couple years older. I'm not 869 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 4: saying either of these dudes are totally what they're going 870 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 4: to be for the rest of their careers, but I 871 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 4: think that Ant still has more room for growth. But 872 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 4: there's a big gap between these two is basketball players 873 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 4: right now, there's a big gap, and I think the 874 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 4: key advantages for me with SGA are, first of all, 875 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 4: the level of control that he imposes over a basketball game, 876 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 4: the ability out of pick and roll to dictate the pace, 877 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 4: to playmake at a really high level. He just is 878 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 4: the captain of an offense in a way that Ant 879 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 4: isn't right now, and I'm not sure sure he will be. 880 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 4: I also think you look at the versatility and shot 881 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 4: making that SGA has, it's legitimately unbelievable. He's one of 882 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 4: the hardest dudes in the league to stay in front of, 883 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 4: not because of straight line speed, but because of maybe 884 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 4: the nastiest change in pace that I've ever seen. Nobody 885 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 4: shifts gears like SGA. But then he is also one 886 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,399 Speaker 4: of the most devastating mid range shooters in the league. 887 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 4: He's so great at using physicality to create space there. 888 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 4: He has this ballerina body control where he's just going 889 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 4: to get where he wants on the floor, and at 890 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 4: the same time, like he's been crazy efficient out of 891 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 4: the post when he wants, He's got such good footwork 892 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 4: and body control down there. He just has a mastery 893 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 4: of the skilled scoring and doing that in various different 894 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,959 Speaker 4: ways that ANT doesn't have. And these guys are both 895 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 4: elite athletes, it's just different. Ant is like your prototypical 896 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 4: ninety ninth percentile strength, ninety nine percentile explosiveness, ninety nine 897 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 4: percentile vertical ability. SGA's athleticism, to me, is in the shiftiness. 898 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 4: It's in the balance, the body control. He just does 899 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 4: stuff in the paint navigating that nobody else on the 900 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 4: planet can. And then I think if you look at 901 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 4: the defensive side of the ball, I think if they 902 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 4: have very similar potential. I do like SGA a bit 903 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 4: more as a help defender, and I think that what 904 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 4: we've seen from him in terms of defensive playmaking this 905 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 4: year has been super impressive. His length can just be 906 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 4: game changing at times. ANT has that stronger base, So 907 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 4: it's similar, But I do think it comes down to 908 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,439 Speaker 4: the like all around dominant, versatile scoring plus really high 909 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 4: end playmaking. With SGA, ANT, I think you have the 910 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 4: crazy rim pressure, you have the pull up shooting stretches, 911 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 4: but you just don't have that sort of all around 912 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 4: polish and I'm not sure if you will on the 913 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 4: level of SGA. But I think both these guys are 914 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 4: perennial MVP candidates for years and years. 915 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you're ever in this scenario, you 916 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: were blessed as an NBA franchise. If these were the 917 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: two guys you were picking between, I'm actually gonna flop here, Carson. 918 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,800 Speaker 1: I also had SGA four and ANT five, And I 919 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: think you make a great point. Sga is definitely more realized, 920 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, to his full potential. I don't think Ant's 921 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: done yet, And I just think the physical level of 922 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: pressure that he is going to be able to put 923 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: on the rim. I think that the special kind of strong, 924 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: vertical quick athlete that he is. 925 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 5: I just think that. 926 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: I don't think he's done. I mean, I think we're 927 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: gonna see him just become effectively unstoppable. And I think 928 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: his game Sga, I think. 929 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 5: Is more tailored to the playoffs right now. 930 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: Like if you're asking me for this season, what guy 931 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: do I want more to go on a run? There's 932 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: a lot more polished from that SGA. I trust him 933 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: way more as an offensive engine and initiator, but I 934 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: see a different ceiling because of ants athletic advantages. That 935 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: being said, I think you make a good point I 936 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: don't know if Ant's ever going to be the I 937 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: don't think and is capable of becoming the kind of 938 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 1: pull up and unstoppable shooter that SGA is in the wing, 939 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,479 Speaker 1: he is one of the most special in the league. 940 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: But I'm going to take those physical advantages. I just 941 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: think that matters a little more. I think that Ant 942 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: is going to be an unstoppable tank and if he 943 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 1: can couple that with elite pull up jump shooting, weaponizing 944 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: his rim pressure into playmaking, like, I just think he's 945 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 1: got He's already great, but I think there is even 946 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,720 Speaker 1: more room to grow with Anthony Edwards. 947 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 5: So I'm gonna take Ant the the you. 948 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 2: Know, kind of important phrase that kind of dictates this 949 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 2: conversation is starting a franchise with Because a couple of caveats, 950 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 2: I do think SGA is a better basketball player right now, 951 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,680 Speaker 2: and I do think that he would navigate a playoff 952 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 2: environment a little bit better than it right now. 953 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 3: I do think that they are very very. 954 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 2: Different archetypes of players, and so it can also get 955 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,840 Speaker 2: complicated in the sense that, like some of the stuff 956 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 2: that Anthony Edwards is not good at is kind of 957 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 2: natural for his archetype. And some of the stuff that 958 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 2: SGA is not good at is kind of natural for 959 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,879 Speaker 2: his archetype, and so on and so forth. The here's 960 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 2: the big difference for me. I think Anthony Edwards is 961 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 2: not only on a trajectory in the bigger picture that 962 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 2: I think could take him to a significantly higher level 963 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 2: than he is now, but he also has the I 964 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 2: think he's a more natural fit alongside other stars. Anthony 965 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 2: Edwards is actually a decent off ball scorer, and I 966 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 2: mean that off the move, like coming off of off 967 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 2: ball screens, cutting to the rim, and he's just a 968 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 2: much better catch and shoot player, which is a significant 969 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,919 Speaker 2: advantage when it comes to playing alongside other players around 970 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 2: the league. SGA has just a tiny bit of that, 971 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 2: like heliocentric When the ball's in my hands and I'm 972 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 2: in rhythm, everything looks good, but then my value tends 973 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 2: to take a dip when I'm not on the ball 974 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 2: as much as much. And then everything, everything with Anthony 975 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 2: Edwards is a pretty strong indicator of him being a 976 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,919 Speaker 2: great shooter in the long run. For starters his last 977 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,319 Speaker 2: twenty five games, because remember at the beginning of this year, 978 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 2: he was kind of a little bit rough around the edges. Offensively, 979 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 2: Anthony everags the last twenty five game game twenty seven 980 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 2: points per game, five rebounds, five assists, forty nine percent 981 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 2: from the field, forty one percent from three to eighty 982 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 2: four percent from the line, and he's on like pretty 983 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,400 Speaker 2: decent volume from three. He's taking something like six threes 984 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 2: a game over that span, So like that's a that's 985 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 2: a third of the season that he's been a high volume, 986 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 2: forty percent three point shooter. And like you see it 987 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 2: in the foul shooting, you see it in the hot 988 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 2: stretches of pull up shooting. Like I think when we 989 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 2: fast forward a few years, he's going to be a 990 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 2: devastating combination of downhill force and power with pull up shooting. 991 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 2: And again, like if I'm starting a franchise, I know 992 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 2: that I can bring in another high usage offensive player 993 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,759 Speaker 2: and that Ant's going to be able to kind of 994 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 2: like fit in with him well and make that all work. 995 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 2: I also think, you know, Carson, you mentioned Shay's off 996 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 2: ball defense, and I agree, he's excellent instincts and length 997 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,800 Speaker 2: and ability to kind of just get in and make plays. 998 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 2: But the important distinction there is, like Aunt's still not 999 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 2: very good at that stuff off the ball, and and 1000 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 2: like I think there's a version of this five years 1001 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 2: from Like when I think about twenty seven year old 1002 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards, I think about a guy that could be 1003 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,319 Speaker 2: the best player in the world. That's the potential that 1004 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 2: I think he has. Whereas like Shay, I think he 1005 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 2: kind of is already pretty close to what his ceiling 1006 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 2: is at this point, and there are some areas where 1007 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 2: he can prove specifically off the ball, right, But like, 1008 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 2: to me, Aunt is already pretty close to as good 1009 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 2: as Shay is, and he's got so much more room 1010 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 2: for improvement. And then you guys, know me just in general, 1011 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 2: I talked about this with Luca versus KD, but like, 1012 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 2: give me the guy who can physically impose as well 1013 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 2: on the game. Like like that, that, to me is 1014 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 2: is such a huge element to winning in the playoffs. 1015 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 2: Like you can just imagine Ant being this ridiculous matchup 1016 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 2: attacking back to the basket guard in the postseason, and 1017 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,359 Speaker 2: like it just he thrives in like ultra physical environments 1018 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 2: and you know, I think I think it that to 1019 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 2: me is just the differentiator in the long run. I 1020 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 2: do have one last question before we get out of here, 1021 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 2: and we'll start with you logan like, are you expecting 1022 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 2: Shay to have a drop off inefficiency and production in 1023 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 2: this postseason or do you think he'll be able to 1024 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:13,279 Speaker 2: sustain it. 1025 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 5: That's a great question. 1026 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 1: I think you made a great point, Jason about him 1027 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 1: being a heliocentric player. I think that in that archetype, 1028 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,840 Speaker 1: I think those players are just always more susceptible because 1029 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, just think about it. 1030 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 5: I mean, your every. 1031 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,399 Speaker 1: Possession you're having to play defense, you're on ball, then 1032 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, you're got the 1033 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: ball in your hands, like you're just gonna get inherently tired. 1034 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: Had a series who at a game it's just gonna 1035 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: wear you down. So I think he is more susceptible 1036 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: to that. I don't know, man, I don't think I 1037 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: could ever predict Sga to Like Faull, he's so dynamic, 1038 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: he can get to whatever spot he wants. Now, I 1039 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: think that's the big factor is that game five, Game six, 1040 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: Game seven, Is he gonna be downtrodden? 1041 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 5: Is he gonna be worn out? That scares me. 1042 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,879 Speaker 1: At the end of regular games where he's playing forty minutes, 1043 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: is he gonna be worn out. 1044 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 5: I don't know. 1045 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 1: That's the one area where I think he could maybe 1046 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,800 Speaker 1: be susceptible to Luwells, to falling off. But in terms 1047 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: of shot diet, decision making, shots he gets to. There 1048 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: are very few players in the NBA that I expect 1049 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 1: their games will translate better to the postseason because SGA 1050 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,800 Speaker 1: can do it from everywhere. He's a great playmaker, He 1051 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 1: does everything. My only concern is just him getting really 1052 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 1: worn out and tired from having to carry the burden, 1053 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, that entire offensive burden. 1054 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would expect SGA to be a guy who 1055 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 4: actually scales really well to the playoffs. And I think, 1056 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 4: do you make a great point, Jason, in an advantage 1057 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,320 Speaker 4: that Ant has and a lot of the great playoff 1058 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 4: risers have, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leondard, they are dudes who 1059 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 4: can impose themselves with strength. The ultimate advantage of that 1060 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 4: is that you get to your spots no matter what 1061 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 4: in that physical environment. I feel like SGA is the 1062 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 4: exception though, in that he is so masterful with the 1063 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 4: pace that he plays at that I can't really see 1064 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 4: people keeping him out of the paint, even in that 1065 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 4: playoff environment. Again, he's not gonna do it with strength, 1066 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 4: but he's gonna do that with those shifts and gears 1067 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 4: and he doesn't have to get to the rim. And 1068 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,840 Speaker 4: at this stage, really it's mostly threes or its attempts 1069 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 4: at the rim, and he's like a crazy contestant finisher 1070 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,600 Speaker 4: because he's such a great athlete and he has been 1071 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,719 Speaker 4: a really good shooter this year and continue to grow there. 1072 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,920 Speaker 4: But if you do try to wall off an SGA drive, well, 1073 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 4: he can just devastate you with that short mid range 1074 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,280 Speaker 4: shot making. And he's the better playmaker at this stage. 1075 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 4: So I expect Sga to have quite a debut in 1076 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,360 Speaker 4: the playoffs as the guy he's been there before, but 1077 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 4: not as this superstar player. But I also think ants 1078 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 4: a guy who's gonna get better in the playoffs and 1079 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,280 Speaker 4: anson guy who's already gotten better in the playoffs, because yeah, 1080 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,440 Speaker 4: his strength scales very well and his pull up shooting 1081 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,879 Speaker 4: has been really good in those settings. But I think 1082 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 4: Sga is a dude who I mean, maybe not in 1083 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 4: the world where Nicol Yokitch exists, but you know, in 1084 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,759 Speaker 4: a post Jokic world, I think he have best player 1085 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 4: in the world ceiling too, along with that. 1086 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 2: An important thing we didn't even touch to is like 1087 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,280 Speaker 2: ants getting you twenty seven five and five on forty 1088 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 2: nine eighty four splits, And there's no question that the 1089 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,840 Speaker 2: thunder provide a significantly more spaced out environment. 1090 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 3: For Forsha to operate. 1091 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,839 Speaker 2: And just the by virtue of just having a legitimate 1092 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 2: stretch five that you have to close out to and 1093 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 2: just all of the ball handling and shooting around him, 1094 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,400 Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit more of an easy setup. 1095 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 2: The reason why I brought that up is as kind 1096 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 2: of a playoff scenario is specifically the shifty types, and 1097 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,520 Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, James Harden. The shifty types 1098 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 2: that lean heavily on heliocentric shot creation from the same 1099 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 2: spots on the floor. One of the things we see 1100 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 2: is like, yeah, that hesitation moves pretty nasty. But what 1101 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 2: if a singular perimeter defender sees at one hundred and 1102 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 2: fifty times in two weeks. You know, James Harden has 1103 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,839 Speaker 2: this ridiculous you know, left to right crossover, step back 1104 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 2: jump shot combination like set of counter moves that he uses, 1105 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,000 Speaker 2: and then what ends up happening is the same perimeter 1106 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,399 Speaker 2: defender sees it one hundred and fifty times and by 1107 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 2: game six. In game seven, he has a good read 1108 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,520 Speaker 2: on that hesitation. He has a good read on when 1109 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 2: he's going to go to that left to right cross. 1110 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 2: He has a good read on how to kind of 1111 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,240 Speaker 2: like close the gap on that step back jump shot 1112 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 2: without fouling and making it into a tougher shot. Whereas 1113 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 2: like the supremely gifted athletes, they tend to actually get 1114 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 2: more and more separation as series prolonged because they're the 1115 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,320 Speaker 2: energizer Bunny, because they're those groups. And I agree with you, Carson. 1116 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 2: I don't think it's not that I don't think Shay 1117 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,600 Speaker 2: has best in the world potential. I just think I 1118 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,320 Speaker 2: think if I had to rank where they are right now, 1119 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,799 Speaker 2: SGA is clearly over ant. But for me personally, if 1120 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 2: I had to rank ceilings, I think ant ceiling is 1121 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 2: higher than SGA's right now. 1122 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,759 Speaker 3: Just because of those gifts. All right, we've got to 1123 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 3: get out of here. 1124 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 4: You got one real quick thing about why SJA feels 1125 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,080 Speaker 4: different in the playoffs to me than Harden. I do 1126 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 4: think it comes down to the of counters as one thing. 1127 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 4: I think that he simply has more moves that he 1128 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,319 Speaker 4: can turn to at any point. I think right the 1129 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,080 Speaker 4: spins creating separation with the alarm bar into the mid 1130 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 4: range step back, and that's the other key point. Harden 1131 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,359 Speaker 4: was very reliant on the step back three specifically, And 1132 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 4: you talked earlier about Tatum the concerns with the volatility 1133 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 4: about his pull up, his reliance on pull up threes, 1134 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 4: and Harden just never shot as well in the playoff 1135 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 4: settings from deep So I totally agree about the predictability 1136 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 4: with him, and I just or SGA. I just feel 1137 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 4: is different because he gets to his spots in and 1138 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,840 Speaker 4: around the paint, and because he is so creative and 1139 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 4: versatile in those spots. 1140 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I want to be clear, I'm not 1141 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,880 Speaker 2: comparing SGA to Harden in terms of like I expect 1142 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 2: him to be a playoff flame out. 1143 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,040 Speaker 3: That's not what I mean. 1144 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 2: I just mean more like a guard shot creator that 1145 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,800 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily rely on supreme athleticism to get to his spots, 1146 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,160 Speaker 2: but relies more on like the you know, kind of 1147 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,440 Speaker 2: the change of pace and change of direction kind of stuff. 1148 00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,040 Speaker 2: Like I do think that, I do think it's on 1149 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 2: the table, and I'm just curious to see. I am 1150 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,360 Speaker 2: curious to see how SGA handles real playoff game planning, 1151 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 2: and like what happens if you don't, Like, let's say 1152 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 2: they run into two Minnesota. What does Jaden McDaniels guarding 1153 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,160 Speaker 2: SGA look like in game six? What does it look 1154 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 2: like in game seven? I'm just curious, that's all it is. 1155 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,240 Speaker 2: And like just NBA history tells us the supreme athlete types, 1156 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 2: they tend to be less susceptible to that kind of 1157 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,840 Speaker 2: thing in late series than the more finesse oriented types. 1158 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 2: But to be clear, I do not think SGA is 1159 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,719 Speaker 2: the next James Hard and I never intended for it 1160 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 2: to be like that. That was just kind of an 1161 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,880 Speaker 2: example of just playoff, just kind of the dynamic that 1162 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 2: shifts as you get later into a playoff series. 1163 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 3: All right, Carson, before. 1164 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 2: We get out of here, can you guys tell us 1165 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 2: about what you guys are working on over at NERD 1166 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 2: Sash right now? 1167 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,720 Speaker 4: Absolutely. So, we're doing three shows a week. We're talking 1168 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 4: both NBA and NFL, but the sense of Super Bowl 1169 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,840 Speaker 4: is coming up that is going to be overwhelming the NBA. 1170 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 4: And then we also do some trivia stuff and if 1171 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,640 Speaker 4: you want to check out our YouTube page, just look 1172 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,319 Speaker 4: up nerd Sash. On top of our full shows, we 1173 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 4: are doing some in depth video essay breakdown sort of 1174 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,520 Speaker 4: stuff where we'll take a specific player or team and 1175 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,879 Speaker 4: for ten twelve minutes will really dive deep in there 1176 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 4: with film. So if you're interested in that, that's all 1177 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 4: at the nerd Sesh YouTube page. 1178 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,919 Speaker 2: Carson and Logan do an amazing job over there at nerds. 1179 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 2: Make sure you get over there and subscribe and support 1180 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 2: those guys. We will see you guys, Carson and Logan 1181 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 2: two weeks from today. Everybody else, I will see you 1182 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:50,320 Speaker 2: guys on Monday. 1183 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:53,080 Speaker 1: The volume