1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 2: My goodness, my, my goodness, what an episode. It's time 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: for the Almost Famous podcast. We are here breaking down 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelor. Ashley and myself are so prepared, so ready. 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: We also have a really special guest today. We have 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: Shari coming on. Shrey is incredibly accomplished. She has led 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: a city, she has been awarded Miss Senior World. I mean, 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: we have a guest, a rock star, really in our 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: midst and we cannot wait to talk to her about 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: her thoughts on the Fantasy Suite week. But before we 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: bring her on, Ashley and myself have our thoughts. Ashley, 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: what okay to me? This episode was one I was 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: gripped by. I was into And here's what I love, Ashley, 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: Here's what I love. The drama I love of this 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: episode was not people necessarily being intentionally mean to somebody else. 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: No roast in this episode. 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 4: No rose. The drama is in the emotion and I 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: love it. 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. Seriously. If you guys don't know, Ben had a 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: huge issue with the roast that happened during the Bachelor 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: in Paradise episode. We talked about it during our Bachelor 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: in Paradise recap episode. Yeah, you're right, this is like 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: some this is some good love drama. I don't know, 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: like what is what is my takeaway from this the 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: overall this episode? Maybe like Teresa Moore saw her more 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: as an intent contender and I still feel more physical 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 3: chemistry though with Gary and Leslie. 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: Okay, a couple rapid fire questions kind of out of 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: the blue to get this thing started. One would be 31 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: do you see any of these last two women potentially 32 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: being the next Golden Bachelorette if. 33 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: We were to have one. 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: I still think that if there's a Golden Bachelorette, it's 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: going to be Faith. 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 4: Okay. 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: I feel like everybody was rooting for Faith. I mean 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: I think it was just such a shocker that she'd 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: be the bachelorette. 40 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: So you don't think any of these two women will 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: be the next Bachelorette Ashley. 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: Do you think the. 43 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: The way that Gary handled the Fantasy Suite week was 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: I've never really hear I mean there's not, at least 45 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: in recent memory. Juan Pablo obviously said something during Fantasy 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: Suites that really threw him up. Do you just feel 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: like he handled this like most leads do or was 48 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: there an element different to you? 49 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 3: That's a good question. I actually think that like a 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: lot of leads handle it well, so I think he 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: probably handled it even better than most leads, just because 52 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 3: he has just the life experience. But as we'll talk 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: about when we get on the phone with Sharie, I 54 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: do think that he may have led the ladies on 55 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: a bit too much. 56 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 2: So my final kind of random question for you, did 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: this episode live up to everything you were hoping for 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: when it comes to Fantasy Suites and the Golden Bachelor? 59 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: It really it? Did it? 60 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 5: Did? 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 4: Okay, let's dive into it now we start out this. 62 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: I wish I could elaborate did it live up for you? 63 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: Because you're the one, you know that's been, you know, 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: the biggest fan of the show. Not to say that 65 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: I'm not, but uh, I. 66 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 4: Think it did. 67 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: I mean I for me, what I wanted to see 68 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: in this episode was them taking the time to explore 69 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: their relationship without cameras. I don't know how it spits 70 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: them out yet, so I can't really say because there's 71 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: a lot of things left unsaid. When it comes to 72 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: kind of the breakdown of the two evenings they both 73 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: seem great. They both seem fine, but they always, you know, 74 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: if they go reasonably well, they seem fine and great, 75 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: and you still really don't know what's going on in 76 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: Gary's head, or really the women's head. I think we 77 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 2: saw the dynamics of both women coming into this very excited, 78 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: and I think we saw Gary getting very overwhelmed, probably 79 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: more overwhelmed than the show showed. I think Gary was 80 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: a mess of emotions and I think a mess of exhaustion. Honestly, 81 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: Fantasy Suits Week is tiring, no matter what you're doing 82 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 2: behind closed doors. You're up late, you're not sleeping much, 83 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: you're talking as much as you can, because obviously even 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: if you are, you know, entering into intercourse, it ain't 85 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 2: taken six hours. You have a lot of time to talk. 86 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is one other thing I'd like to mention. 87 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: The two storylines are so separate with the women. You 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: have one woman who's never even felt like she's had 89 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 3: like a great love, never been able to comfortably say 90 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: I want to spend the rest or I will be 91 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: spending the rest of my life with you. And then 92 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: there's another woman who is more in his boat, where 93 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: she's a widow, and she may have never expected another 94 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: love again. Do you find one more compelling than the other? 95 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: You do you find that their backgrounds play a play 96 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: a role in who he's gonna pick. 97 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if it plays a role in who 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: he's going to pick, because I think you have very two, 99 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: very different dynamics. If he wants to be Leslie's first 100 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: real love, then that's something that would be maybe intriguing 101 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: to him. If he wants to have a partner who 102 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: understands what it's like to love again, then he would, 103 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: you know, pick Teresa. I think it just makes the 104 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: women who they are in a lot of ways, Like 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: you see, kind of their behaviors, their their characteristics, their 106 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: personality shine through their life experiences, and I do. I 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: I mean one of the reasons why I've been so 108 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: much in the Teresa camp since the beginning, and this 109 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: doesn't take away from Leslie's abilities, it's just life experience 110 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: is Teresa will have a built in empathy that Leslie 111 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: cannot have because she has not experienced loss. Teresa will 112 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: be able to understand what it's like maybe on a 113 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: random day when Gary starts crying because it's the anniversary 114 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: of his late wife, and it's just filling him up, 115 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 2: and she still loves him and she will sit beside 116 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: him in that because she. 117 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: Gets it too. 118 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know, I think for Teresa there 119 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: is maybe an emotional connection, and I think for Leslie 120 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: it's always been not only emotional connection. I think they 121 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: get along great and I think they care about each 122 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 2: other a ton, but it's also been a very physical connection. 123 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: Leslie has always been our sex panther. She's always been sexy, 124 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: she's always been very kind of forward, and she's so 125 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: it's just two different women, and now it's what does 126 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: he want for this next stage of his life. 127 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: Here are the two moments that are a little bit 128 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: that confuse us as to who he's gonna pick. He 129 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: tells He tells Leslie, Trista told me something. She said, 130 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: you have to find the woman who you can't live without, 131 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: not the one you can live with. And then he says, 132 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 3: I think you're that one. I have to have coffee 133 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: with you every morning, and I have to have you 134 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: when I go to bed at night, Like that is huge. 135 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: If that's how he feels towards Leslie and what he 136 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: says to her on the first date of the week. 137 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: Why would he go and say I love you to 138 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: Teresa in the fantasy suite. Does he change his mind 139 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: in his fantasy suite with Theresa? That's the big question, 140 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: because I think leading into this episode is quite out. 141 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: It seems quite obvious that Leslie's the frontrunner, but then 142 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 3: it changes. 143 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of uh understanding of 144 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: where Gary's at, and I know from our perspective it 145 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: seems like he's leading him on, and in a sense 146 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: he is, and I'm sure he's not exactly sitting watching 147 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: this being like, I'm so glad I did this to 148 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: both of them because one of these women is going 149 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: to end up being hurt. However, this, you know, based 150 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: on my experience on the show, this is a part 151 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: that's always very interesting to me because what I think 152 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: Gary's doing is being as authentic as he knows how 153 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: to based on his previous life experience. Typically, when you 154 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: care about somebody and they're sharing that yeah, well, when 155 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: they share with you, hey, I love you, the response 156 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: is a really you know, if you feel the same way, 157 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: it's really. 158 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 4: Hard to be like that sounds great. 159 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: No, you respond with a I love you too, and 160 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: I think also there is an element here where for 161 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: Gary especially, and I can't necessarily relate with this. He's 162 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: overwhelmed with a feeling that he has not been used 163 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: to in many, many years. He has two women that 164 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: I generally think he cares about that I generally think 165 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: he could see the rest of his life with, and 166 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: as a result, he doesn't know how to navigate it. 167 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: There's no road map, as he said, to how to 168 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: do this well or what to say and not to say. 169 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: You just get thrown in it. And so I watch 170 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: this and I say, Gary is a mess, and I 171 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: like it for television purposes. I love it. I think 172 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: he's in it. I think he's doing it. I think 173 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: he's involved in it. I think he's feeling everything he 174 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: can possibly feel from a real life perspective. I think 175 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: it's gonna be really painful for Gary and the last 176 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: two women, both of them. Honestly, I think one woman 177 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: who he chooses is gonna have a lot of stuff 178 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: to have to figure out. I do think Teresa would 179 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: be more prepared to kind of navigate that with him 180 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: than Leslie would. But however, both women are gonna be 181 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: hurt because they're gonna have to watch Gary say this 182 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: on national television, and then at the same time one 183 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: of them is gonna be going home, and she's going 184 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: to be confused to why she's going home when Gary 185 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: said this could be the next first morning of the 186 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: rest of my life, and hey, I think you're the 187 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: one that I can't live without. So both women now 188 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: have a verbal confirmation from Gary that is not just 189 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: I care about you and I love you, it is 190 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: after this, I see my life with you, I know. 191 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: So one of the things I want to talk about 192 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: Ashley about this scenario is I did feel, and Jessica 193 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: did feel, that there was a disconnect between Leslie and 194 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: Gary more than Teresa and Gary. The next morning, it 195 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: felt like the the closeness of their relationship going into 196 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: that night, like I was watching this going there is 197 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: zero chance he's not choosing Leslie. In fact, Jessica says, 198 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: are you going to be sad when he chooses Leslie? 199 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: And I said no, I like Leslie. I just always 200 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be Teresa because I was so convinced, 201 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: like what in the world's happening here? But the next 202 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: morning Jessica looked at me and she actually said At 203 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: first she said, hey, Gary, seems distant. I said, hey, uh, 204 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: after a good old you know friend, Lil Wayne. Once 205 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: you do it, you come to your senses a little bit. 206 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Ben, wait. 207 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: Really I thought maybe he just had the like next 208 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 2: morning kind of like hangover where like his mind is swhirling. 209 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: He's like, wait, I don't know what I just did. 210 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: I haven't done this in a while. It was so great, 211 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: and now like I'm I'm getting some clarity like that 212 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: is that is a thing. 213 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: It is a thing. 214 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: However, he feels like you think, like like, oh my gosh, 215 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: like the excitement because like you said, she's kind of 216 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: like the sex panther once like the sex was had 217 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: and that was out of his system. Then things clarified 218 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: whether or not it's like an emotional and match. 219 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: Yeah I do, gotcha? Do you agree? Disagree? 220 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: I have to before making comment or rewatch the morning 221 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: scene to see if it's if I really truly feel 222 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: like it's that distant. 223 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: We felt distance. I'll say that so that was my perspective. 224 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: Is I felt distance the next morning? 225 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: So interesting. 226 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: It's a thing, Ashley. It's a thing. 227 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: It's a good it's a good teller of when you 228 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: found the right one, because when you find the right one, 229 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: you know, you high five and you're like, let's try 230 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 2: to get in tomorrow or tonight or in two hours. 231 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: This was awesome, let's make. 232 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: You're like, oh, that's it's great. But it's out of 233 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 3: my system. 234 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, I don't know if I can do 235 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: this again. 236 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 3: Because the lead up is so is the most fun 237 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: part right exactly? 238 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: It's it's it's a thing. I can't say it was 239 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 2: the thing that caused it. It's a theory that I'm 240 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: placing on that next morning. 241 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 3: Is this a guy thing or thing too? Or do 242 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: you do you can't dominate a guy thing? I know, 243 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: I know. I don't know why I asked you that, 244 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: because Jess and I are obviously in a situation where 245 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: we can't really answer it either, as we were not 246 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,239 Speaker 3: really so sexually experienced. 247 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: I would imagine it's both. I would imagine there is 248 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: that uh you know, I'd imagine it's an element for both. 249 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: And you know, I know from my like from being 250 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: a man, it is, you know, a thing. I don't 251 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: know from a woman's perspective if it is a thing 252 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: or not. But I would imagine it is and some 253 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: maybe some different way, or you'd explain it some different way. 254 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: Lil Wayne has a sing in one of his songs 255 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: that explains it pretty well. 256 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 4: So I don't know ash I felt it. We'll see. 257 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: It's a theory, but we should see if maybe Sharie 258 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: feels the same way. I want to ask her because 259 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: obviously she is in the age group that would be 260 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: on the show. She would maybe understandable more and she's 261 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: maybe reading into things that you and I wouldn't be 262 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: based on our you know, lack of life experience. So 263 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: let's bring her on now, we'll dive into the episode. 264 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: We'll dive into what we thinks. Next, we'll dive into 265 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: who she thinks. You know, Gary's gonna end up with. Sure, 266 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: We're very lucky again this week have a very special 267 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: person on here breaking down kind of their opinions and 268 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: their thoughts on The Golden Bachelor. We have Shari this week, Suri, 269 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: can you explain to our audience how we know you, 270 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: how do we come in contact with you? 271 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: Why are we so lucky to have you on our podcast? 272 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 5: Hi, I'm from beautiful Port Angeles, Washington. Former mayor, former 273 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 5: Miss Senior USA and Miss Senior Washington World. And I'm 274 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 5: just a lady who loves advance, sure, who loves romance, 275 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: and absolutely adore Gary from The Golden Bachelors. So I'm 276 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 5: really happy to talk with you. 277 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: First of all, you are from Twilight Zone, like literally 278 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: the Twilight capital of the world. I'm so jealous. I 279 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: want to take a trip there one day. 280 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 5: Please come, We'll roll out the red carpet. I was 281 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 5: the mayor of Twilight. I was mayor during the Twilight series. 282 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 5: I'm a big fan. I actually I'm team Edward. I 283 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 5: want you to. 284 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: Say, of course, of course, as all people really should 285 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: be no offense to our friend and sweet sweet man 286 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: Taylor Lautner. 287 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 5: We love Taylor, but you know when a guy's are als, 288 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 5: it just makes your heart thraw. What can I say? 289 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: Goodness, gracious, we have so okay, before we get into 290 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelor. 291 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,479 Speaker 4: You're the mayor for how many years. 292 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 5: Port Angelus, Washington. I served on the city council for 293 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 5: twelve years. I'm the only woman ever to serve three 294 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 5: consecutive terms, and I turned out. So now I'm doing 295 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 5: fun things. I'm still volunteering in my community because that's 296 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 5: the heart of our community as volunteers. But I modeled 297 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 5: in New York Fashion Week in September. I'm in three 298 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 5: fashion magazines and I'm watching the Old Tessler and I'm 299 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 5: talking to you, which is the highlight of my year. 300 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 5: You must know that you. 301 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: Have, oh please, you have way too much going on 302 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 3: for this to be a highlight. And you were so 303 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: you were, miss Senior Washington. Well, I yes, Senior world 304 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: washing your world? 305 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: Yes, because you know what, life doesn't need to stop 306 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 5: or change, because I'm breaking barriers for women of all ages. 307 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 5: Because if you didn't know how old you were, what 308 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 5: would you do? What would your goal be? And so 309 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 5: we're just ignoring that, and we're working on attitude, energy, experience, 310 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 5: and just really looking for opportunities for women of all 311 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 5: aid business. 312 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: So you're inspiring. Now, what's your relationship status. 313 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 5: I'm married to my nearly perfect husband's sweet pop and 314 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: he supports me and I'm very grateful. He's the first 315 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 5: man in my life who supports and encourages me and 316 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 5: doesn't feel threatened. In fact, my name Sherry Kidd is 317 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 5: he proposed to me and he has a lovely Norwegian name, 318 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 5: And I said, I love your name, but I have 319 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 5: three hundred yard signs that say kid for counsel and 320 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 5: I can't change now, so I kept my maiden name. 321 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 5: And he's just got a great sense of humor and 322 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 5: it's a good partnership. So I'm lucky. Yeah. How many 323 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 5: years are Yeah, seventeen years. And he's a former marine, 324 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 5: so politically he's not always diplomatic, but I call him 325 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 5: a nearly perfect husband. 326 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 4: He is nearly perfect. 327 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's so much you've just said at 328 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 2: the beginning of this that I cannot wait to talk 329 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: to you about when it comes to The Golden Bachelor. 330 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: So before we get into kind of breaking down this 331 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: episode specifically, yes, and there's some big topic Sherritt SUI, 332 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: I hope you're If you're uncomfortable speaking about physical intimacy, 333 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: fantasy suites, the admissions of love, then let us know 334 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: and we'll just bypass it. But there are some really 335 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: interesting things I'd love to get your opinion on. But 336 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: before we get into that, I really am interested in 337 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: your overall thoughts on The Golden Bachelor. So as a sea, 338 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: as the season how is coming to an end and 339 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 2: it's been a whole new project obviously for the Bachelor franchise. 340 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: We've seen things happen on the show and stories told 341 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: that we've never seen before. 342 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 4: Would you, I guess, say that. 343 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: This show is breaking barriers and the way that you 344 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 2: hoped it would. 345 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 5: They took a big chance on doing the Gold of Bachelor. 346 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 5: It was either going to be a hit or a flop, 347 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 5: and it's a hit, and so I commend, I really 348 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 5: commend the people who found Gary because he's really the 349 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 5: total package of women who are older than you know. 350 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 5: The twenty year olds are looking for one thing. The 351 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 5: ladies who are experienced and more mature, you're looking for 352 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 5: something else. And to me, Gary's the total package. He 353 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 5: retired at fifty five, so financially he's able. He has 354 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 5: a loving family. He had one marriage and for forty 355 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 5: three years. And let me tell you, his wife trained 356 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 5: him well. Whoever the lucky lady gets him, he's well trained. 357 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 5: He's domesticated, and he's ready to settle down and the 358 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 5: good husband. He looks good. Pickleball is the most fastest 359 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 5: growing sport for seniors in the world, and it's fun 360 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 5: and social. He's the first I watched The Bachelor since 361 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 5: the first season okay, and this is the first bachelor 362 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 5: who cries when someone doesn't get a rose. 363 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: He cried, Yeah, sweet, He's so sweet. He's a great 364 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: communicator too. 365 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 5: He has emotions, he has feelings, he has humor, and 366 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 5: he appears to be a good kisser. I can tell 367 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 5: you that, you know. So it's been fun to watch. 368 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 5: It's been fun to watch. In fact, from the beginning, 369 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 5: I put my money on face. She just came out, 370 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 5: you know, tossed her hair, and she just she's a doll. 371 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 5: So she got the first rosen. She really made him 372 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 5: weak in the knees the first night that she sang 373 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 5: to him, so that she kind of started off really strong. 374 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 5: I didn't see Teresa coming. It's kind of like a 375 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 5: horse race, and you know, Teresa came from the back, 376 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 5: and she just kept moving up, kept moving up, kept 377 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 5: moving up. So I've I've been amazed at Teresa's progress too. 378 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 5: So he's founded to two interesting ladies, two wonderful ladies, 379 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 5: and so it was fun last night. It was a 380 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 5: fun episode to watch. It was very very interesting in 381 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 5: many ways. 382 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: What is your takeaway from just last night's episode, Like, 383 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: what do you leave thinking? Was going to happen next week. 384 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 5: Well, so last night was Fantasy Sweets. Yeah, Gry is 385 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 5: a widow. He hasn't been involved general manipulation relationship for 386 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 5: a long time. My first thought was they had him 387 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 5: back to back in consecutive nights with Fantasy Sweets and 388 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 5: didn't give him a breather. I think he probably needed 389 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 5: to breathe her because he was because he spent the 390 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 5: night with Leslie and he went into it. They had 391 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 5: a nice date and they repelled down this cliff, which, 392 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 5: frankly was it would be very frightening to any of 393 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 5: us if you're not someone who does that normally. I mean, 394 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 5: you look down and it looks like you're going into 395 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 5: the depths of the earth. And she was scared. I 396 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 5: was scared watching it. And if you had wrote me up, 397 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 5: I would have you know, that's that's to me. It 398 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 5: was that a game changer. Do you say nice to 399 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 5: know you're Gary, I'm out here, or okay, let's do this. 400 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 5: She sucked it up. She did it, and you know, 401 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 5: points for Leslie for actually repelling down that scary cliff. 402 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 5: And then he went on to say, well she she's 403 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 5: got rose colored glasses. She doesn't asked me any hard questions. 404 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 5: And I think that's important. If you're talking about not 405 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 5: a TV show, not a dating situation, you're talking about marriage, 406 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 5: you need to ask the hard questions. And so they 407 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 5: started getting into that. What's interesting is he says easily 408 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 5: to Leslie, I love you. He doesn't do that for Teresa. 409 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 5: He never has. And on the you know, on the 410 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 5: home dates, on the home dates, Leslie's family said, are 411 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 5: you in love? He said a big smile. Teresa's just 412 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 5: didn't get it out. So so I've been paying attention 413 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 5: to that. And then but he had such a lovely 414 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 5: overnight with Leslie that he was just in. He was glowing, 415 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 5: he was in that, he was in it with Leslie. 416 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 5: And too soon here's Teresa riding horses and he's still 417 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 5: overwhelmed with his romantic night with Leslie, which really put 418 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 5: him in a place where how do you switch gears 419 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 5: like that so fast? He couldn't. 420 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 4: I would. 421 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 3: I wonder what would have been like if if they 422 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: switched and if Teresa went first. 423 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you, Teresa realized he was quiet, 424 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 5: and she realized he had had an opportunity to be 425 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 5: with Leslie. So this is the first time I was 426 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 5: impressed with Teresa. The girl brought it. She realized he 427 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 5: was quiet and she was following someone else who was amazing. 428 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 5: So Teresa started selling. I mean, she brought it, she said. 429 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 5: She said, Oh, I know you're thinking about you know her, 430 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 5: but let's you must still be kind of quiet, so 431 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 5: let's talk about her future. Let's talk about being together, 432 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 5: let's talk about holidays together. Teresa, who never impressed me 433 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 5: as being that aggressive, the girl just absolutely came out. 434 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 5: So he didn't know anything about her career. 435 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 3: Boo, she showed a whole different side of herself yesterday. Yeah, 436 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 3: I look at her differently now after she talked about 437 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 3: her career as well. 438 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 5: So she was far more accomplished than anyone realized. She 439 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 5: had come across early in the seas and frankly even 440 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 5: a little naive. I mean, you know, with the thing 441 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 5: with Kathy and zip It, and she just seemed a 442 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 5: little naive. But boom, she comes across as a strong, 443 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 5: capable woman and it's like whoa. And then she's talking 444 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 5: about their future together and their their bond and I 445 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 5: was like, who is this woman? She's just And then 446 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 5: in the morning he said this is the first day 447 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 5: of the rest of my life. That was huge. So 448 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 5: I think did well. 449 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 3: Theresa definitely did well, And I wanted to clarify that, 450 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: like love homemakers. My mom was a stay at home mom. 451 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 3: I just liked the way her demeanor changed when she 452 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: talked about her business. 453 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. 454 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: Too, I do too. 455 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 5: She came across a very capable, very intelligent. She came 456 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 5: across as a woman, woman who gets it done and 457 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 5: who can take her situation and prove herself to do 458 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 5: what she needs to do. But she kept referring back 459 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 5: to Gary and the way they could do things together. 460 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 5: Now Leslie, the beautiful girl from Minneapolis, he said, you know, 461 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 5: are you going to well, let's talk about our life together. 462 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 5: Where are we going to be, where we're going to live? 463 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 5: I mean, if we're married. This this is a hard question. 464 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 5: Leslie cannot lead Minneapolis permanently. And she said, we'll figure 465 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 5: it out. Well, honey, you better figure it out before 466 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 5: the ring goes on. 467 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: He liked that they would figure it out together, that said, 468 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: he said, that's what he wanted to hear. 469 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 5: Yeah he did. He likes that. But if you're looking 470 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: at situations, those things you need to know because she 471 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 5: is so established in Minneapolis with her family. That's something 472 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 5: they need to work out before the wedding because those 473 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 5: kind of things are stressors on a relationship. So so 474 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 5: I thought, yeah, So anyway, I last night I totally 475 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 5: flipped on Theresa with her ability yet and her selling 476 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 5: herself and they obviously had. She obviously got rid of 477 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 5: the ghost of Leslie in the fantasy sweet I do 478 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 5: you know the girl brought it? That's all I can say. 479 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: You know, there's a few things that I want to 480 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: touch on with you. You know, this show has been 481 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: breaking barriers, and maybe I would say as much as 482 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: breaking barriers illuminating truth to life that I think we 483 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: have either forgotten, we've made taboo we don't want. 484 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 4: To think about. 485 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: But this episode was very much focused, as we would imagine, 486 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 2: on physical intimacy. Jesse and Gary sit down and they 487 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: have this this talk about what is expected, and Gary 488 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: is fairly upfront with he is willing, able and wanting 489 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: to be intimate in whatever way. Both parties kind of 490 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: feel comfortable with, right, and it's it's something different, you know, 491 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: I haven't seen people make out in their sixties and 492 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: seventies really in my life. I think it's actually really beautiful. 493 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: My parents are very physically you know, open with me. 494 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: As I grew up, it was never a secret that 495 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: they loved each other, that they were attracted to each other. 496 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: I found it to be a very beautiful thing in 497 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: our household, and I never doubted that they were still 498 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: attracted to each other. However, I haven't lived in my 499 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: household for fifteen years, and so I don't see that 500 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: as much anymore, right, And so I just want to 501 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 2: kind of ask you the broad question when it comes 502 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: to people in their sixties and seventies being physically intimate. 503 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: What do you think was going through the woman's mind 504 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: on this show as they were entering into the fantasy suitees, 505 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: What do you think was going on in Gary's mind? 506 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 2: You know, kind of how important is it still? Just 507 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: maybe clarify some of the things that we didn't get 508 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: through the conversation with Jesse and Gary that I think 509 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: would be really helpful for listeners to understand. 510 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 5: I think Gary approached it very well. It's a wonderful 511 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 5: part of a relationship, It's a wonderful part of your life. 512 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 5: It's a wonderful part with your partner and your sweetheart, 513 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 5: your forever love, and Gary wants that he's looking forward 514 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 5: to that, and it seems to me, I mean, didn't 515 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 5: Teresa kiss him on the first aid. I don't know, 516 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 5: but I mean the first day he promised it's grandkids. 517 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 5: No kissing on the first day. Well, there were several 518 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 5: ladies who fuckered up and grabbed him really quick. So 519 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 5: Gary's not a verse of kissing. He likes. He likes 520 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 5: the physical closeness of hugging. And he's just been very 521 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 5: very touchy feely though, you know, hugging with his ladies 522 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 5: and the whole season. And he came down to intimacy 523 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 5: I like some he explained it, we don't rush into it. 524 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 5: It's it's it's emotional. We savor it. We take it 525 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 5: slow and gentle and savor it. Well, I was kind 526 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 5: of I have to tell you, I was getting weak 527 00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 5: in the knees when he was describing that. I think 528 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 5: he was just setting it up for a romantic evening 529 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 5: with the two of them, and I think that was 530 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 5: very important to both the ladies and to him that 531 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 5: they get close and have that time together. And frankly, 532 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 5: they're still young to have intimacy to have fun. But 533 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 5: that's an important part of marriage. It should be and frankly, 534 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 5: aries at have great age to still enjoy intimacy with 535 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 5: his sweeter. 536 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 3: So Gary said something like, I don't give a crap 537 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: what you guys are thinking out there, Like we're gonna 538 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: we're keeping this private, right, But sorry, Gary, we're a 539 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: podcast and we have to talk around things like this. 540 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 3: Do we think that he had sex with both of 541 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: them or one of them or none of them? Let's 542 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: just say it. 543 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 5: You know, you sign up for the Golden Bachelor. Yeah, 544 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 5: the Fantasy Suites. It's on TV. They close the lights 545 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 5: out and they turned the lights up, but do not disturb. 546 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 5: And next morning they're grinned from ear to ear. 547 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, I'm not so soul. I'm not one 548 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 3: hundred percent sold. Because of his little spiel where he 549 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 3: said like we can take it slow and stuff, I'm 550 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 3: wondering if in his head he's like, oh, let me 551 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 3: just wait till I pick my final one. I'd rather 552 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 3: just wait till there's one lady left. This is just 553 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: what I'm thinking. And I think that he felt so 554 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 3: connected to them through conversation in the in the fantasy Suite, 555 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 3: and he did say that, like wow, Like people at 556 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: home assume that it's all about sex, but actually it's 557 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: so special to have that private time. I think that 558 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 3: they could have just been smiling from the great connection 559 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 3: that they developed in the room. 560 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 5: Absolutely, like he said, nobody's business. It's our night together. 561 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 5: There's no cameras. We can talk about everything, we can 562 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 5: be together, we can struggle, we can talk, we can 563 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 5: kiss on it. You know, it's our night together, our 564 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 5: private time when we need that. Yet because there were 565 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 5: no cameras, so that takes the relationship really an important 566 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 5: step further. Whether or not they were intimate, they were close, 567 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 5: and it was it was, it was good. They were 568 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 5: all happy, they all everybody was happy about the overnights together. 569 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: So, sorry, Gary, we're speculating. 570 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 5: Sorry Gary, I think they had fun. 571 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I mean and I would and I would 572 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: say too, you know, for for anybody, intimacy means a 573 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: lot of different things. I mean, as long as they 574 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: were intimate, Yeah, and the Fantasy Suites did what it 575 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: was supposed to do, which bring brings them together and 576 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: allows them the space. I think it's you know, it 577 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: was a really I never got the sense from Gary 578 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 2: in his conversation with Jesse that he wasn't prepared to 579 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: go wherever they felt like as a couple in the 580 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: moment they needed to go or wanted to go, or 581 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: you know, desired to go. I think for me, it 582 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: was an interesting conversation to have somebody in their seventies 583 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: explaining that process of what was on his mind and 584 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 2: what was he thinking. You know, I know, you know, 585 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: from being around so many bachelors and so many leads, 586 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 2: sometimes there is this like undertone of I just can't 587 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: wait to get to the fantasy suite to release everything 588 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: that's been going on for the last three months. I 589 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: don't you know, yes, it's gonna be great to be intimate, 590 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 2: but like I have a lot on my mind that 591 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: is just going to be let go, a lot in 592 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: my body it's gonna be let go during the fantasy suites. 593 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 2: I didn't get that sense from Gary. And so, you know, 594 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: the question that I can out of answer myself, that 595 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: I know you could answer for us is how does 596 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 2: intimacy change maybe from your twenties, thirties to then sixties 597 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: and seven. 598 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 5: I think Gary described it. It's it's softer gentler, sweeter more. 599 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 5: Really you just you you, you really try to be 600 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 5: considered of your partner. Right now. I had a little awi, 601 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 5: so I've got you know, I'm temporary, little temporary, but 602 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 5: that's life. So you have to be considered of your partner, 603 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 5: their feelings and you know, life events and so. But 604 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,720 Speaker 5: Gary came across that, it's it's let's let's be together, 605 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 5: let's have pillow talk, let's take a gentle and slow 606 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 5: and let's let's go where we want to go. And 607 00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 5: there he's very considerate, very thoughtful, very kind, and I 608 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 5: really like his attitude. 609 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 3: And he. 610 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 5: Made it very clear, I'm seventy two, I'm still romantic. 611 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 5: I'm looking for a romantic partner. So honestly, he handled 612 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 5: it so well. Whether or not whatever they did, they 613 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 5: were close and it worked for them because Harry seems 614 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 5: to be an emotionally caring and considerate partner. So I'm 615 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 5: you know, it worked for them. 616 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 3: Leslie asked him, when was the last time you had sex? 617 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 3: And he said a very long time. We speculated last 618 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 3: week with that, assuming that that's what he was going 619 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 3: to sort of say that it had been. In my opinion, 620 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 3: I think that it was his wife. After seeing that 621 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 3: conversation unfold, do you think that she should have asked 622 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 3: him on camera or just waited for that question till 623 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 3: the fantasy suites. 624 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 5: Well, the camera theoretically is not supposed to be there. 625 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 5: I mean, it's there, so we're watching. But they're building 626 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 5: a relationship. He asked her to ask him some hard questions. 627 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 5: That's that's a question that a couple can discuss. So 628 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 5: that's just one of the things that if you're on 629 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 5: The Bachelor over your shoulder, but they were in theory, 630 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 5: they're trying to build a relationship, and that was a 631 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 5: valid question and act in new couples coming together sometimes 632 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 5: that needs to be you need to have that discussions 633 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 5: because that way it gives you enough information so you 634 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 5: can be more considered with your partner. You can be 635 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 5: more gentle or take it take it slow, whatever they needs. 636 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 5: But you have to understand each other that way. And 637 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 5: I think it was a very valid question. 638 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 2: This is coming from a guy who has asked straight 639 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 2: up on The bachelor're at if I was a virgin, 640 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: And that wasn't a question I was prepared to answer, 641 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 2: but it was also very important to answer. I think 642 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: for Caitlin at the time, and would I have preferred 643 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 2: her to ask me off camera? I don't know, because, 644 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 2: as you said, every you kind of at some point 645 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 2: have to get over it. You just have to know that, yes, 646 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 2: you've signed up to get your life exposed on national television. 647 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 4: Earlier on sureI we. 648 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 2: Broke down the episode before we brought you on, kind 649 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: of just giving our overall synopsis of what we experienced 650 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 2: watching it. One of the things that I experienced watching 651 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 2: it was I felt and my wife felt. She said 652 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 2: it actually before I did that. There was it seemed 653 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 2: like a distance, a more of a distance between Gary 654 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 2: and Leslie when they woke up in the morning. Yes, 655 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: they were smiling, but she felt like, hey, he something 656 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 2: like he's pushed away a little bit more than he 657 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 2: was the night before. Would you agree with that sentiment? 658 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: Did you feel that or did you see something different? 659 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 5: Well, it was interesting because he repeatedly told Leslie that 660 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 5: he loved her and he was committed, okay, so that 661 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 5: was significant. The next morning when he went to meet 662 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 5: with Teresa, his mind was still with Leslie, and I 663 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 5: wonder what Leslie's doing right now. So Teresa really had 664 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 5: to come from behind because he he was still in 665 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 5: the fantasy suite with Leslie and he couldn't get over it. 666 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 5: You know, well it's time for Leslie to leave, and 667 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 5: you know, here comes Teresa. It was it was too 668 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 5: fast the switch for him mentally and emotionally. So Teresa 669 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 5: had to pull him in emotionally, she had to She 670 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 5: had to get his attention to like, hey, big guy, 671 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 5: let's talk about our future, you know, And she told 672 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 5: him she loved you. I mean she she really had 673 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 5: to overcome his break that connection, break makes the tra 674 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 5: chants with Teresa, and that's where I think she did 675 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 5: very very well. So he, I don't know, he had 676 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 5: a good time with Teresa. It took him a while to, 677 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 5: like I said, break out of that mentally, physically emotional 678 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 5: bubble he was in with Teresa. But he talked about 679 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 5: he would have an exciting life with Leslie. But he 680 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 5: and Teresa have that bond and they're connected on a 681 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 5: very fundamental basis. And when he spoke up with Teresa 682 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 5: said this is the first morning of the rest of 683 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 5: my life. Wow, I think that meant a lot. 684 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, I think that's a really good point. I 685 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 3: can I can feel that as well, if it weren't 686 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 3: for him saying on the date with Teresa that he 687 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 3: was in his head about Leslie, then I would have 688 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 3: probably made a bigger deal out of that, because it's 689 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 3: still it felt like he was still thinking about her 690 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 3: like a lot romantically, and they day. Jamie's Dave see. 691 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 2: As explaining earlier that the interesting thing to me would 692 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 2: be if he was so sold on Leslie going into 693 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 2: this week and then all of a sudden his something, 694 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 2: you know, maybe their connection wasn't what he expected, maybe 695 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 2: something was said that he wasn't ready for. Then I 696 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 2: would be in my own head too, because he had 697 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,439 Speaker 2: just told Leslie the night before like you're it, which 698 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 2: was a. 699 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 3: Big mistake on I think that he's saying way too 700 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 3: much too soon because he's leading one of these ladies on. 701 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 2: But that would also cause you to be in your 702 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 2: own head. So you know, for me, I'm looking at 703 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 2: as he might have been in his own head for 704 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 2: two different reasons. One, yes, his mind was still with Leslie. 705 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 2: But if I had not been necessarily in the I 706 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 2: can't think of spending a day with anybody other than her. 707 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: It's might be, Hey, I told her she's the one 708 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 2: and I'm going to break her heart. 709 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's an emotional guy, but he you know, he 710 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 5: says things that are to me, you're telling he can 711 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 5: have an exciting life with Leslie, but he feels safe 712 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 5: and bonded to Teresa's. 713 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,399 Speaker 3: So he also said that he, you know, he had 714 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 3: his concern about Teresa to begin the date, where it 715 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 3: was like, oh, we're always bonding over our spouse is 716 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 3: having passed. I need to find out more about her 717 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 3: beyond that, because maybe that's just like our only bond. 718 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 3: That being said, I do almost feel like it's an 719 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 3: important I feel like it's maybe a very important bond 720 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 3: to have because that's just something that they're going to 721 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 3: have to like having that understanding of each other, not abandoning, 722 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 3: just still having sad days throughout the year, like oh, 723 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 3: that's the day that my wife passed, and having somebody 724 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,760 Speaker 3: that like understands that is going to be so critical. 725 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: I feel like, and Leslie is very far from understanding that, 726 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 3: since she never even had like what she thinks is 727 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,439 Speaker 3: like a great love. 728 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 5: So my concern about Leslie from the beginning is her 729 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 5: two failed marriages have hurt her and she's she's been abused, 730 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 5: she's been abandoned, she has her her walls up, and 731 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 5: Teresa has that in common with him. They had the 732 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 5: long term marriage, they had the love, they lost their spouse, 733 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 5: So you're right there, there's a disconnect there, and in 734 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 5: that way, Teresa is a much better mass match because 735 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 5: Unlesslie goes into another relationship, she's just going to bring 736 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 5: some baggage. She's just she's got it. She's She's mentioned 737 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 5: it the whole season, so she's going to bring that 738 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 5: baggage in and she has to learn to trust, and 739 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 5: Teresa's light years beyond that. 740 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 2: The show is always really good, Sharia giving us little 741 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 2: foreshadowing of what is to come, and they sneak it 742 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 2: in in weird places, but as a fan like you, 743 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 2: you usually can pick up on it. And there's a 744 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 2: phrase that Leslie says, she goes, I always sabotage it. 745 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 2: I always sabotage good things. And it felt like to me, 746 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 2: that was a weird moment to throw that in unless 747 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 2: something is to come, and I am expecting something to 748 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,240 Speaker 2: come when it comes to the relationship between Gary and Leslie. 749 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 2: As the season progresses, sure, as we say goodbye to 750 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 2: you now, is there anything that we didn't ask you about. 751 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 2: Any thoughts on The Golden Bachelor that you'd like to 752 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 2: share with everybody listening. 753 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 5: I think the Golden Bachelor's a wonderful idea. They picked 754 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 5: the right guy. America of women of all ages have 755 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 5: fallen in love with Harry, and so I hope that continues. 756 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 5: It's just been great fun, and it's been great fun 757 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 5: talking with you guys. Thank you so much. 758 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Man, you are pro at interviews. 759 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 3: Thanks Sherry Suri, thank you. All right, Ben, final wager 760 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 3: before we sign off. We have two weeks until we 761 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 3: find out who Gary picks. Who do you think is 762 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 3: going to be? 763 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 2: I've ridden the Teresa train for a long time, and 764 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 2: it's too late in the season to get off of it. 765 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I was shocked that she got by last week, 766 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 3: and now I'm starting to feel more fifty to fifty 767 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 3: hilariously on her versus Leslie. 768 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Ashley cannot believe that you're not sold out yet. 769 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 4: I am. 770 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,320 Speaker 2: I am so convinced with the way the story is 771 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 2: being being unfold in front of her eyes that Teresa 772 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,439 Speaker 2: and Gary will be there in the end. I will 773 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 2: say this as a thought. Somebody's been there, somebody's walked 774 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 2: through it with real life. He has a lot of 775 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 2: explaining to do, and he has a lot of probably 776 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 2: after watching this episode specifically, he's going to have a 777 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 2: lot of things that need to be undone that you 778 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 2: cannot undo necessarily without a lot of work, a lot 779 00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 2: of communication, a lot of validation. I think he's I 780 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 2: think it's going to be a really hard episode for 781 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 2: really whoever is with him at the end to watch Ben. 782 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 3: We love Gary, right, America loves Gary. If this was 783 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,879 Speaker 3: a thirty year old guy saying all this stuff, would 784 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 3: he be able to get away with this? 785 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 4: No? No shot, no shot? 786 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean maybe I kind of did the similar 787 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 2: a similar thing, right, He didn't. 788 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,240 Speaker 3: Milk it, So you didn't say it so so much 789 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 3: so many times. 790 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if I got away with it. 791 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,720 Speaker 2: I don't think I didn't, And you didn't. 792 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,479 Speaker 3: You said it so much more simply, and you didn't 793 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 3: get away with it. 794 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 2: I'm worried about Gary, but here's the thing, I've been 795 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 2: there and I can't I'm not mad at him for this. 796 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 2: I know his emotions are all over the place, and 797 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 2: I know he's saying what he's feeling, and I know 798 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 2: he's to being as honest and as authentic as he 799 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,839 Speaker 2: can with who he's with. I'm not mad at him 800 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 2: for it. I'm not angry at Gary. I don't have 801 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 2: any ill will towards Gary. I don't think he means 802 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 2: to be doing what he's doing. I will just say 803 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,240 Speaker 2: Gary's in trouble. He's in big trouble, and it can't 804 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 2: be easy in whatever household he's now spending his time in. 805 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 3: But I will say I do feel like both these 806 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 3: ladies will be far more forgiving than maybe a lady 807 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 3: of her twenties or thirties. 808 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 2: I think that's a part that is worth Yeah, definitely 809 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 2: considering is the partner in this is probably saying I 810 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 2: get it, I get it, You're doing your best. Hey, 811 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 2: it's going to be an incredible, incredible couple. Well really, 812 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,919 Speaker 2: one more episode, Yeah, one more episode we get next 813 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 2: week off. It's obviously the holidays, we're going to be 814 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 2: celebrating the holidays, and then the next week I am 815 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 2: going to be on the edge of my seat to 816 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 2: see how this plays out. Neither of us know, but 817 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 2: we have our intuitions. I'm gonna be sad to see 818 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 2: it go ash It's fired me up in a way 819 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 2: I haven't been fired up before. 820 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be sad to see this version of you 821 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 3: gone to I. 822 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 4: Don't know if we'll ever get it again. Yeah, and 823 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 4: hopefully we will. 824 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 3: As we discussed in the past couple of weeks, we 825 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 3: have no idea if it'll be renewed again. Ratings wise, 826 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 3: it certainly should be, but it'll be up to the creators, 827 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 3: so maybe we'll get more word in two weeks. Until then, 828 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 3: Love you guys, Thank you so much. 829 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 4: I've been Ashley and I've been Ben. 830 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on iHeartRadio, 831 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.