WEBVTT - Episode 74: Sherlock Holmes 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.960 Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to another edition of Nerdificent. I 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.680 am one half of your host Danny Fernandez, if he 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.920 will be joining us later in the podcast. But up top, 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.600 I have one of my dear friends. She's an author 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.520 and host of the Noble Blood podcast. Right here, it's 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.600 Danis Schwartz. Thank you so much for having me. You 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.480 record in this very studio, In this very studio, I'm 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.120 already an expert on where to get the seltzer and 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.080 we're the best snap Yeah we do. I know. It's 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:37.840 so funny all the guests that come on talk about 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.600 like our snack choices. Um, yeah, that's been upgraded since 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.800 we got bought by my Heart. So let me go 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.880 on the record and say I'm per snack me too. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.879 And I take the energy drinks here. I think they 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.880 got them from me, you know, my I brought them 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:55.240 in so much that they were like, we're going to 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.120 start carrying them. I've never had an energy drink. Now, 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.240 I'm like, what's in that? What's the I drink coffee 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.120 all the time, but what's what's an energy drink? Wait? 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:04.960 I was going to be like, wait, have you done drunks? 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.360 I have Okay, I've done scare you. But energy drinks yeah, 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.720 because at least drugs I know what they're supposed to be. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.240 Energy drinks could be anything. Yeah, I guess that's right. 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.720 There's also I used to be addicted to one UM 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:18.440 that was called Redline. I don't even know if you 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.360 could get anymore. Do not recommend you have to be 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.480 like eighteen to get it at the UM seven eleven 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.720 because it will mess you up. We don't cuss on here, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.240 but it will mess you up. Uh. Well, good to know. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.840 I'm going to continue my pro snack anti energy drink. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:34.360 What do you what do you have for a caffeine? 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.600 So much coffee and I cooke okay coffee, so you 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.200 just straight like chug. I'm a black coffee drinker. Yeah, 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.280 that's the best way. Yeah. I just I think I 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:44.920 started doing it in high school and I've been doing 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.320 it ever since. Yeah. I just I can't have dairy, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:50.480 so I know that I could have like the other 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:55.000 possible things angels like oat milk and hemp milk. I've 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.960 just tried the oat milk that we have here, so 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.440 I'm new to oat milk, m coconut milk, though I'll 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.720 sometimes treat myself and put that in there. I remember, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.160 like my first day in l A. I go to 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.080 a coffee shop and I was like, hey, can I 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.000 get like a latte with like non fat or like 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.200 low fat, like two percent milk? And they're like, oh, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.079 we don't have two percent have oat milk or hemp 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.040 milk or almond milk. I was like, all right, well, 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.080 I guess this is this is where I live now. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.560 Of course they didn't have two percent milk. Oh my gosh, 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:27.160 who even ask how would they do that? Here? Well? Um, 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.560 today we are talking about something that is near and 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.760 dear to your heart. Um. You actually when I was 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.160 asking you the things that you are into, you brought 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.239 it up. And that's Sherlock Holmes. Yeah. I'm a big 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.440 Sherlott comes man. I love mysteries. Sometimes I get in patient. 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.240 I think the thing is I love mysteries. I don't 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.400 usually like mystery books because I'm too impatient. I was 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.640 skipped to the end. But short stories are the best. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.600 You're in, you're out. Yeah, but this is not a 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.360 short story like Sherlock Holmes. Some of them are okay, okay, 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.160 because the one that I was at first introduced too 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.280 I told you was hown to the Baskerville. That's that's 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.360 a book. Yeah, Okay, there's a lot of short stories. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.839 And then also, I mean the Sears. There's so many 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.440 good adaptations. I'm pretty sure now it's like it must 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.600 be in the public domain because so many people adapt him. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.240 But like, there's so many good and smart adaptations, and 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.800 I think there's something so human about our want for 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.960 a character who just is so smart and always right. Yeah. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.679 So what was your first introduction to him? I think 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.919 reading middle school. I think in middle school I read 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.360 a few. I read some of the short stories. So 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.440 I read like The Speckled Band, and I was like, 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.040 oh my god, oh my god, what is this? And 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.560 then I remember when I learned that house was Charlotte. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:50.200 Uh it blew my mind. I was like house homes. Also, technically, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.440 I would have to say my first introduction to him 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.960 would be The Great Mouse Detective. Oh my god, I 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:59.040 can't believe I bring that up right. I truly loved 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.440 the Great mass dettech Basil of Baker stra Yes, and 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.200 the villain was Ratigan. Ratigan he had a song. All 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.080 villains should have songs, yes, and um, that creepy little 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.600 Hobgoblin bat God was so good. Yeah. That's also the 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.360 thing about Carlock Holmes is it brings out the best villains. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.640 Because the thing about Charlotte Holmes is it's so grounded, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.960 like it's so clearly takes place in the real world, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.320 but it's also this real world, like all of his murders, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.000 all the cases he solves, are like plausible, but it's 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.200 also like a real world where people have like arch 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:36.080 nemeses and super villains. So it's like we get our 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.400 super villain fixed in a totally grounded way. Yeah. I 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.560 just remember the Hound of the Baskervilles terrified me. Oh, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.480 that one's so scary. Yeah. And I can't remember if 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:50.120 there was some type of media adaption that I saw it. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.080 I can't if it was a show or something I 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.080 also think of. I don't know if this was actually 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.080 in it. But um, do you remember the Page Master. 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.680 Is that the one with mccullo. Yes, yeah, yeah, Well 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.560 they had Jacquel and Hide, but I can't remember if 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.880 they also had um like a Sherlock Holmes reference in 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.440 there as well. But that's what I think of. Um, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.000 So we should just dive into the history of our 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.920 Private Detective that was created by British author Sir Arthur 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:22.200 Conan Doyle. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Great mustache. Uh. He 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.000 was a doctor originally, which I like. I like that, 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.920 like him and Chekhov that sometimes there's just like men 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:33.520 of medicine that are just like I shall write stories, right, Yeah, Well, 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.920 have you read any of his other works? Yeah? I've 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.159 read some of his other short stories actually, because I 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:42.200 do um a podcast here called Noble Blood and one 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:46.880 of the uh, Arthur Conan Doyle loved Weird History and 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:51.400 the Occult, and so one of the episodes I'm doing, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.720 we share he and I shared a proclivity for a 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.880 certain weird historical case that he wrote about a lot. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.640 And what I also like about him is he sort 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:07.040 of hated Sherlock Holmes really so he it's like the 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.599 first instance of toxic fandom. Yeah, so he wrote Sherlock Holmes. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.000 I was kind of mad at how successful it got, 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.279 and he was really angry that that was the thing 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.599 he was getting known for. Oh that makes sense that 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.600 like maybe he had other works that he like, why 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.159 don't you guys into this? You're into this, dude? Yeah, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.080 He's like I just wrote this one, but like I'm 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.599 writing all these other things. And so then he killed 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.599 Charlock Holmes off at the Rick and back falls, but 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:37.560 then the fans were so angry. The fans were outraged 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.640 that then years later he brought her He had Sherlock 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.359 comes like catch a branch and survived the falling to 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.239 his death. He's like, alright, alright, and type type type 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.120 Sherlock Holmes actually survived and he's back. I just love 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.240 the idea because we didn't have social media, people just 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:58.720 like shouting in the streets colms. But right, can't you 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.400 so see that like a character could would be so 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.239 beloved that the author kills them off and then fans 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.919 are so outrage that they bring them back. So you 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.640 were asking about my tattoos and the dragonball Z tattoos 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.880 and vegeta, who's this character that it happened to him 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.600 exactly a curritory ama. The creator killed him off and 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.800 he was like everybody's favorite. He was just supposed to 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.440 be a villain. He was just supposed to be there 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.480 for like one or two story arcs and saga's and 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.000 he's now and I can like they're do He's normally 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.480 placed up alongside the main character. He's been there for 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.120 decades now. He's like, he's my favorite. So he's he 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.760 became went from being a side character to being like 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.400 the one of the main characters. Um. But yeah, he 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:42.800 like brought him back, and I think it was the 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.920 same thing. He hates him. Everybody knows that about him. 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.679 He hates him because he gives him like the worst 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.880 story line and he refuses to let him excel past 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.680 a certain point. But like, fans would die if he 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.520 wasn't around. So I'm reading this this bit from his 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.760 Wikipedia because I was curious how they framed it, because 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.400 I'm sure it was less colorful than I imagine they were. Like. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.240 In December, to dedicate more of his time to his 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.920 historical novels, Doyle had Homes and Professor Moriality plunged to 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.360 their deaths together down in the Reichenback Falls. Uh. Public outcry, however, 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.640 led him to feature homes in one in the novel 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:20.000 The Hound of the Baskervilles. So he's like, all right, fine. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.920 So Sherlock Holmes first appeared in print in eight seven 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.680 a study in Scarlet. Do you remember that one? Yeah? 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:31.160 And that actually is um if you saw the Sherlock 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:38.520 adaptation on the BBC Benedict Cumberband. Yes, the first episode 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.920 of that is a study in pink. Okay, there's something 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:48.160 so fascinating about, um, a mystery that is presented and 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.600 solved too in a satisfying way. Like we love that 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.440 with every story, Like even non mystery stories, aren't they 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.880 always just plots that are resolved in a clever way 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:00.720 that make you go ah, yeah, yeah, I can't remember. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.240 We had throw up Van orman on who is a director. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.360 He created Flapjock on Cartoon Network but also he directed 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.680 The Angry Birds, and he was saying something about features, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.160 how um, they shouldn't leave you like same with novels, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.520 like they you should feel um completed at the end 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.560 of them essentially um. And I love that he said, 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.880 like it shouldn't leave you actually guessing for more so 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.640 I guess some cliffhangers are not some like movie cliffhangers. 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.480 So something about Sherlock Holmes. He is in a Guinness 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.800 Book of World Records as being the most portrayed movie character. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:34.640 I think that has today with him being in public 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.760 domain right where it's like everyone can can take their 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.680 take a crack at him. Yeah, yeah, and so many parodies, 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.560 and obviously he's been referenced in like every TV show ever. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.520 Um oh, I didn't know this, it says Conan Doyle 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.360 wrote the first Carlock Comes novel when he was twenty seven, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.880 in less than three weeks, which I hate. What is 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.960 everyone else doing with their lives? I'm so mad? I hate. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.880 I hate to like you could do that. I feel like, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.480 lock yourself away for how was it three weeks? Just 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.160 lock yourself away? You could totally do it. Yeah, okay, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.839 I still have a year to do it to make 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.440 my Sherlock Holmes. So before we dive into more of 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.640 his books, can you talk to people about the character 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.319 of Sherlock, Like, what does he like? His personality? Yeah? 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.920 So it's hard to pin that down because obviously there's 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.040 been so many permutations of him that I feel like 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.040 it would almost be limiting to only talk about the 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.000 book Sherlock Holmes, because I feel like Sherlock Holmes has 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.640 become a character of the popular imagination, right, Like he's 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.559 bigger than he is in the books. In the books, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.160 people like to point out like he uses drugs, but 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:43.559 like you know he uses ah, well, he smokes his pipe, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.400 his pipe and he does some opium and uh he 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:52.960 he is famously um Kurt and per s nickitty with people, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.679 and there's whether or not regardless. Some people read sexual 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.560 tension with Watson, which I don't think was in the 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.520 original intent of the book. But of course going back 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.640 you can always read that in uh the biggest wait, 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.439 I wanted to pause on that moment, So like that 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.960 has been Have people talked about that? Yeah? I feel 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:15.800 like people go back to the text and try to 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.880 especially we'll talk about this, but like Sherlock the TV show, 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.880 people are huge shippers with John Lock, right John and 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.040 uh and Sherlock is that they should be together, and 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.560 so I feel like people do go back to the 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.439 text and they're like, see blah blah blah, look they're together, um, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.280 which you know maybe who knows. And people play with that, 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.560 right because there was that elementary where they made Wanton 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:43.080 Lucy lou So sometimes like yeah, yeah, you're right. I 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.080 mean I don't think a burdener any situation. It can 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:46.960 be whatever you wanted to be. Yeah, although I would 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.120 love to see like an actually gay one, like an 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.360 explicitly gay one. That would be fun. I'm sure that 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.079 will probably. I mean, it's such a it's I mean, 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.000 with everybody making taking these I p s, I feel 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:01.240 like we'll get another Sherlock coming up. It's crazy that 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.040 we haven't that we haven't had a gay Sherlock. I mean, yeah, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.960 just like it's people gay Sherlock, gay Sherlock. We've had 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.640 a young Sherlock. We're ready for gay Shortock. But so 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.160 Sherlock as a character, I think his most like telling 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.640 uh quote. And I'm paraphrasing completely because I do I'm 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.360 not Sherlock Holmes. I don't have quotes memorized. But there 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.040 is an exerpt from one of the stories where he's 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.360 describing his brain and he talks about how he doesn't 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.480 know he like can identify a hundred and thirty cigars 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.000 by their ash, but he doesn't know that the Earth 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.720 revolves around the Sun. And he's like, well, it doesn't 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.840 help me in my detective work to like know that 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.840 workings the planets, but it does help me to identify ash. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.320 And he's like, my brain is like an attic and 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.079 there's only so much space, and I put keep important 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.360 things there that helped meself crimes. So that's the way 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.280 you sort of define the characters. He is someone who 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:57.920 has shed off all extraneous knowledge and social skills and 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.360 social niceties and to presuve of his brain to fight crime. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.440 He kind of comes off as like rude or brash, Yeah, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.560 because he doesn't he doesn't care about that he's shed 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.600 social niceties. He just wants to solve solve murders. What 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.120 I take away from that quote is that he's not 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.920 focused on like um, bigger, like larger. He's like focused 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.000 on the minute, like tiny small details that people would miss. Yes, 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.200 that's exactly. It's very Monk. We love God, we love 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:27.079 a a really smart detective. I mean like Sharrock Comps. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.680 Is that the foundation for so many TV shows like Monk, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:35.280 like Psych, like any any detective show, Owes owes it 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.720 to Sherlock because you need the genius, and then you 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.559 need the sidekick who's the audience proxy who asks the questions, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:47.160 because Sherlock will be like, Okay, onto the you know, Miller's, 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.160 and then we need John to be the audience to say, like, wait, 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:51.959 how did you know we're supposed to go to the Millers? 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.600 And then he explains, yeah, so can you talk about Watson. Yeah, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:14:00.720 Watson is a military doctor. In the original book, he 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:05.000 came back from like the Anglo Afghanistan War. I don't 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.560 think it was Afghanistan back then, but Middle East War 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.080 in Victorian times, and he needs a place to live 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:16.840 in his mutual friends like try the flattered to make 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.360 Surelock Holmes and the books most of them, with the 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.680 exception of one or two. And don't quote me on that, 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.440 but I'm pretty sure there's one or two exceptions. Most 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.800 of them are written as if from from John's personct. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:35.160 We're reading his eccentric detective he stumbled upon, Yes, his 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.040 friend who does amazing things. And there's even a quote 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.520 that Sherlock says, where he goes, I would be lost 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.560 without my balls Well referencing uh, Samuel Peeps and and 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:48.680 Boswell Boswell who like wrote everything that he's doing. Um, 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.600 Johnson and Boswell. Sorry not Samuel Peeps was a diarist. God, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:56.200 it's I need more caffeine, Boswell wrote, Samuel Johnson with 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:00.800 the diarist, and so he is the one wunting Sherlock, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:05.480 so he functions as the narrator proxy. So we get 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.920 to see Sherlock work through John's perspective and John as 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.680 he's usually portrayed, is the human side. What are some 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:18.880 of your favorite stories of his? Well, God, I I 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.320 do want to talk. If we can to move to 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.440 Sherlock on the b like the BBC Agitation, Yeah, yeah, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.040 because that was the first time where like I feel 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.120 like Sherlock had a fandom because I feel like everyone 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.440 kind of just like like Sherlock Humbs stories growing up, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.960 and like I liked him fine, Like I was like, oh, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.240 those are fun short stories, but it wasn't like I 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:42.120 felt like any emotional kinship to it. And I think 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.720 it jumped the shark a little bit. But when it 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.800 first came out and I was like streaming them illegally 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.720 in America because out yet, I was like, Jesus Christ, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.680 have you seen this? Have you seen this? Bennett Cumberbatch 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.560 wasn't a thing yet, right I only they knew him. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.320 We didn't know him they but I mean he was 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.440 starting to become known, he was starting to come down. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.360 We didn't know him. I mean, I'm sure he was 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.080 doing things in England. He's in a few things. I 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.080 had no idea who he was. He was just this gorgeous, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:13.840 cheekbone walking cheekbone. He looks like Sherlock Holmes. Martin Freeman looked. Uh, 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.840 he was kind of familiar. He was the guy from 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.320 Love actually, and he was the guy from the British Office. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.560 He plays the gym equivalent in the British Office. Um, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.880 and it was just amazing. It was also the first 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.000 series where oh, and they both are in the m 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.240 c U. Oh yeah, now they're both in the m 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.640 c uan. It's good for them. I'm sorry, that's where 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.760 my brain went when you said his name. They know 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.160 fully they both had there. Also, when you said that 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.479 you streamed illegally, totally did that with Pride and Prejudice. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.760 ABC version could not. I mean I just sat in 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.440 like as I don't know, middle school or teenage Danny 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.200 or whatever, just sat watching it in my bedroom like 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.160 all weekend. I could not get it legally, had to 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.120 extreme it. And then I remember because I became a 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.760 fan of it when only the first season was out, um, 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.120 and there was a massive cliffhanger. I don't want to 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.600 have you seen the Sherlock know so I don't want 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.880 to spoil anything, even though everyone should see it by now, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.159 even out for like well over a decade yea like 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.480 fifteen years. Season You're Good one and season two both 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.800 end with massive cliffhangers, and I was so mad that 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.000 I had to wait like a year and a half 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.040 for that to be resolved or longer even And now 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.800 it's like on goddamn Netflix, and people just like like, oh, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:27.919 I wonder what happens, And I was like, you didn't 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.720 suffer like I suffer. I was. I was trying to 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.119 figure out that like VPN stuff to be able to 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:37.480 watch because and in England you get please don't arrest me, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.199 but they get like BBC I Player, and I was 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.280 so desperate to see it. I was that was like 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.600 I had that like fandom heart flutters for those I 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.960 would think. So my favorite episode there, which I think 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:53.360 is a perfect episode, is the season two finale um 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.880 where I kind of wish that the show ended there. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.760 I know I'm one of those like you're always like like, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.480 of course you need more and it's so good, but 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.760 I always get you never know you're in the good 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.560 old days until you saw your Glee, your Glee tweets. 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.200 I feel the same way. Back Late Lee peeked and 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.280 it was like a shooting star. It was here and 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.000 then it was gone. The Glee pilot is one of 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.440 the best pilots, and then the show went so off 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.000 the rails. Yeah, I was never super into it, but 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.239 I do enjoy their soundtrack on Spotify that, unfortunately, I think, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.399 is what what did them in? Oh No, I didn't. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.760 It's like people I feel like that, don't even watch it, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.320 but just but just start listening to them on Spotify. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.760 I think that when they realized how much money they 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:40.600 were making covers of recent songs, they just started like 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.960 squeezing songs and we're like in the first episodes, like 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.960 the first season few I think only the first season, 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.040 like before it was a major hit. They just sang 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.800 like Journey songs, like one or two songs in the episode, 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.320 and then they just squeezed as many popheads as they 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.400 could in to put on iTunes. I'm sorry, yeah, Advy, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.440 it's my fault. We have to take a really quick 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.240 break and then we're gonna hop back into Sherlock Holmes 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:15.600 right after this, and we are back. This time we 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:20.159 are joined by the one and only if you, Hey, 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.399 how's it going, how's everyone feeling? Thanks for popping in. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.120 You missed the first time you missed the tiny bit 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.840 about Sherlock. Yeah, but it's things that I'm sure that 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.640 you already knew. No, not at all. I didn't want Sherlock. 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.520 Yeah no, no I was, but I was like, no, 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.080 I'm gonna keep it all the way from the only 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.520 BBC shows really hitting it off with was Doctor Who 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.000 in Torchlight and then Sherlock. All the height was there. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.399 There's a lot of crossover with Uvians and I was like, 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:47.359 maybe I should, but I was like, nah, did you 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.680 ever read any fan fiction? Um? No, I'm because I'm 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.760 not a fan fiction person. I know I've apologished, but 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:55.240 I did. I have seen a lot of like fan 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.880 art on tumblers, in the tumbler memes that was like 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.960 it was so here and precious for a little while, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.879 and then the fandom went, wait, so what happened with 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.159 the fandom? Um, this is we're still talking about the 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:12.400 BBC shelt I mean, they just went crazy. Don't don't 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.440 get mad at me, because I'm part of you. But 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.000 I think like there was like this obsession with Beternet 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:23.520 Cumberbatch's so hot and like John Mark something in the 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.080 first part that I missed that got bit at it. 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.080 Do you mean hot in like a figurative since people. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:34.640 That's because he's sort of like he's like attainable hot. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.000 He's kind of like nerod intellecture, right, He's like not 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.240 jock hot. You feel like if you met him at 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.200 a bookstore, you have shot. No. Yeah, but I also 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.000 feel like he would try to teach me things. I'm 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.679 kind of into that though. Oh my gosh, no data 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.359 guys that are gonna like man's that are gonna be like, 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.760 oh I see you with your I'm taking a dead shirt. 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.080 Man's playing, Man's playing. Okay, okay, okay, that's my my 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.840 warning to anyone listening. Please don't don't slide into my 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:01.399 m So when I tell you that I'm sort of 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.800 into like the older professor, that's true. That's true. Um okay, wait, 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.359 so the fandom went a little wild, yes, Like he 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.720 was wearing this purple shirt in one episode and it 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.040 kind of like bulged across his chest and they call 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.280 it the purple shirt of sex. If you wait, what 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.960