1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha from the Stuff I 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: Never Told your production of iHeart Radio, and welcome to 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: another edition of Happy Hour. As always with these, if 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: you're choosing to drink or whatever you're choosing to do, 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: please do so responsibly. Samantha, what are you up to? 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 2: I am drinking my citrone and throat coat, which has 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: been the drink of choice or breathe deep, Yeah, two 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: teeth that I've been drinking for my allergies. I'm on 9 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: a whole remedy right now. What about you? 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: You've made some progress. 11 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: It's getting better, it's getting better. 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: I have some rose rose today. I feel like it's Friday. 13 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why. 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: It does feel like that to me too. 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: It's definitely not I guess. I don't know. I just 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: have this Friday vibe. I'm gonna be really depressed about 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: it later, I think. But okay, so I do want 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: to put a content warning on this one. We are 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: talking about weights and weight loss and anxiety around weight 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: and weight loss, I would say, and also disclaimer, I 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: don't normally I think because we've sort of switched around, 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: like the Monday Mini some stuff we would normally put 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: in the Monday Mini is sort of getting put into 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: the happy hour sometimes, So this is a little bit 25 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: more written out than I would normally do for a 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: happy hour, but it is still pretty much my opinion, 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: so I want to put that out there. And also disclaimer, 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: this is really tricky to talk about, and yeah, I 29 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: am speaking from my own thoughts and experiences, and we 30 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: are planning on doing a whole episode on this eventually. 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: It's been on our list for a long time. We'll 32 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: get to it, but for now, these are some thoughts 33 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: and anxieties I am having about things like ozempic and 34 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: how popular they're becoming. Okay, so first of all, there 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: are a lot of reasons people will use something like 36 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: ozempic for their health or for whatever it is. There's 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: like a variety of things and ultimately it's your choice 38 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: to make and I don't want to take that away 39 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: at all. That's not what I'm trying to do, but 40 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: I guess, like when it comes to my own anxiety, 41 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: I've I now know several people, like people who are 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: close to me who are taking ozembic or we govy 43 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: or whatever in that kind of weight loss. Well, it's 44 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: being termed as like weight loss right, but as we know, 45 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: it does do a bunch of other stuff. That's what 46 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: it was originally made for, but it has given me. 47 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: I just get really anxious about it, and you know, 48 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: ultimately it's not really my business. I just want to 49 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: talk about why I have the anxiety, and that a 50 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: lot of this I'm projecting my own stuff, so okay, 51 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: disclaim or disclaimer disclaimer. The main issue I really have 52 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: is societal because I can't blame people and largely women 53 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: in this case, for wanting something that has been promised 54 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: to help them lose weight because that sounds nice. I 55 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: honestly would want it to sometimes I do want it. 56 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: But we've talked about this a lot before on the show. 57 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: It's messy to untangle what society has taught us when 58 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: it comes to what we should look like versus what 59 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: we actually want versus what is actually healthy, and very 60 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: very selfishly, I'm kind of annoyed. I feel bad admitting this. 61 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: I'm kind of annoyed that I spent years, years counting 62 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: calories and waking about the crack of dawn to run 63 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: and to exercise before I went to work, to look 64 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: a certain way, and now it feels like people are 65 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: just taking a medication. I know, I'm terrible, it's the worst. 66 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: But before you yell at me, it was also privileged 67 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: of me to have the ability to take that time 68 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: to exercise and to get like healthy food already, even 69 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: have time to eat, which I'm now struggling with. I 70 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: get so caught up in things I just forget, and 71 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: so I want to make that clear. This is a 72 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: very selfish, not good, toxic thought, but I do have it. 73 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: There are also genetics involved, like we can't deny that too. 74 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: No one asked me to wake up at the crack 75 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: of dawn and do all of these things. There were 76 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: societal pressures around it and around women and desirability, but 77 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: no one in my life, right except one guy, but 78 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: no one in my life one guy I dated, but yeah, 79 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: no we didn't last long. But they weren't asking me 80 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: to do that, and in fact, they were very complimentary, 81 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: like good for you. So I want to make that 82 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: clear too, And I do have I've talked about this before. 83 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: I have bad coping mechanisms that can look healthy on 84 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: the outside, and this this whole thing was one for me, 85 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: and I do like I love I did love it. 86 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: I loved exercising, I loved brending, I loved being outside. 87 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: But I just took it too far. And that's kind 88 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: of my problem. I do that with a lot of stuff, 89 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: with coping mechanisms. But yes, there is a part of 90 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: me that is feeling frustrated and anxious because not only 91 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: did I not appreciate my traditionally desirable thin body at 92 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: the time when I had it. Now I feel like 93 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: I'm getting left behind. Now, I feel like like I'm 94 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: going to wake up one day and I'm, you know, 95 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: the only one who hasn't been taking this medication, which 96 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: I know is also a little ridiculous. But to reiterate, 97 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: I want to be clear. You can do all the 98 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: things I just mentioned, like running all the time and 99 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: eating correctly and not lose weight. But that is something 100 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: that can happen, and in my case it did. It 101 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: did work, but looking back, it just wasn't sustainable. I 102 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: did do it for years, but there's no way I 103 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: could have kept doing it. I mean, I try to 104 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: get back into it during after the pandemic, and as 105 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: my good friend told me, your body will remember what 106 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: you put it through. And the body does, and the 107 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: old nies are like, Nope, no way, and I went 108 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: to years of physical therapy for in years. Another thing 109 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: that's really heavy on my heart about this whole thing 110 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: is the ramifications. This is what really concerns me of 111 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: kind of the who can afford this aspects because it's 112 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: not everybody can and even though the prices have gone down, 113 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: still expensive, not everybody can afford it. And also the 114 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: ramifications when it comes to body positivity or just how 115 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: we feel around bodies that look bodies that aren't the 116 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: traditional thinness that is unfortunately coming back in. So I'm 117 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: concerned that people with the money to access these medications 118 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: will while those who don't have the money won't can't, 119 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: and it will reinforce these kind of classiest lines and 120 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: thinness as the quote superior body type. And there's a 121 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: lot being written about this right now. This kind of 122 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: all came up for me. I've been thinking about it 123 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: for a while, but I was telling Samantha when I 124 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: was watching the Olympics, there were a lot about like 125 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: every ad almost was for one of these drugs, and 126 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: I just was thinking, I feel like we're in some 127 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: kind of shift that I'm not sure we're shifting where 128 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: we should be shifting. Yeah, and I can admit that 129 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: I am jealous. Like I said, it's nice to think, 130 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: but I'm also scared of the side effects. That's that's true. 131 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's not like I couldn't take it. I 132 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: honestly don't want to. So all of this is on me. 133 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Like I like, I don't want to do it. I've 134 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: also not really doing other things to like make my 135 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: life healthier. I keep trying, and like two days later, 136 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, but these are all my decisions. These are 137 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: all the decisions I'm making. But I think it's that 138 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: societal pressure that it feels like it's weighing down on me. 139 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: And it feels like one day it's going to come 140 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: back and bite me that I didn't partake. And I 141 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: don't like what that says about me, and I don't 142 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: like how that makes me feel. It's like dredging up 143 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: some stuff that I really, I really don't want that 144 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: to come back. I was trying to shake that stuff 145 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: off and I thought, you know, maybe I had, but 146 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: now here it is. It also makes me this is 147 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: a problem I've always had, it's just been amplified by this. 148 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: It makes me more anxious about food around people like 149 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: I no longer feel very I wouldn't like text somebody 150 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: who I knew was taking something like that, like I 151 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: want French fries. I would never do it anymore. Like again, 152 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: that's a me thing and not a them thing. But 153 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: I have always had that problem and that makes me sad. 154 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, ultimately, I'm afraid we're just moving 155 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: into a new world standard. I mean they're already talking 156 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: about like restaurants are changing their menus based on this 157 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: whole thing, which I'm not necessarily opposed to at all, 158 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: but those changes are happening. So I'm just I'm worried 159 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: about it and what it might mean. And I'm worried 160 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: I'll get left behind. But maybe I don't know, maybe 161 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: it'll be fine. Maybe I'm overthinking all this. 162 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: Your words, you'll be left behind as in like that 163 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: you're not losing weight or. 164 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: How Yeah, Like suddenly everybody I know is going to 165 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: be like the traditional thin body type and I'm not 166 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: going to be, which again makes me feel really terrible 167 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: about myself because what does that say? But it's just 168 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: that like social the value, the social value you get 169 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: from that. If we are going back to this, like 170 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: tossing body positivity out the window. Then it does feel 171 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: like a diminishing of your value if that's what we 172 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: as a society are saying is the norm and what 173 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: it is good and which I hate, I don't like, 174 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't like. I have these thoughts, but I also, 175 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: like I said, I can't blame people, because it is 176 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: true that historically we have value than this. So it's 177 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: it's a complicated situation. That's why we when we do 178 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: the episode, that one's going to take it, that one's 179 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: going to take a minute to get it right and 180 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: to to dig through all the stuff people are writing 181 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: about it. But I hope it is clear I'm more 182 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: angry at society. I'm not mad anybody. I'm add it 183 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: myself mostly feeling some of these things. But I did 184 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: want to express it because I think some people might 185 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: be struggling with it too. 186 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I talked about that the many ads 187 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: we get for private organizations that are making profits off 188 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: of this, specifically products that are being released without it 189 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: being actually studied. The fact that the government does not 190 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: care about this product because it brings in profit and 191 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: we're not having enough testing. I think there's a lot 192 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: of conversations we're not having that new back to the 193 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: eighties nineties, rail thin supermodel look has been attainable because 194 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: of products like this, whether it's healthy or not. You 195 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: know that again, is that conversation things being released without 196 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 2: studying true side effects, things being released without the talking 197 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: about the environmental impact and then social impact, especially for 198 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: those who use these types of medications because of diabetes 199 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: and health related things and not being accessible to them, 200 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: or maybe it is not more accessible, who knows, Like 201 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: it's kind of this thin line about what's going on. 202 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: And then quality control, Like there's been a lot of 203 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: conversations about like the lack of quality control and what 204 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: you're actually getting. It is a lot to be said, 205 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: Like there's a lot to be thrown out there in 206 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: this conversation and why why these these topics are important 207 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: and because it is affecting everyone, like everyone is taking it, 208 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: we'd see this, but we also know that it's geared 209 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: more towards women than any other marginalized group. So it's 210 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: kind of this level of like but also, as I've seen, 211 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: like many other way things, the minute like you come 212 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: off of it, the likelihood of you gaining that weight 213 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: back is really high, and then some in an even 214 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: more unhealthy way, like the dramatic change. 215 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: I also really am sad for people. 216 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: And I say this because I went through a whole 217 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: weight loss stuff with well Future, and when I was 218 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: taking it from my depression and I was like, hell, yeah, 219 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: I look good, I'm finally down. This is the best 220 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: medicine in the world. And then I started having heart palpitations. 221 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: I might never never mind, never mind, I can't do that. 222 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: But for a minute I felt amazing because of the 223 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: way I looked, because of the things that I could 224 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: wear and feel more confident in, and so like there's 225 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: this level of wanting to be in that place again. 226 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: But at the same time, when I gained it all back, 227 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: because I neavitally gained it all back, the people who 228 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: stopped complimenting me, the people who you know, was all 229 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: about telling me how look great I looked every time 230 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: they saw me, immediately stopped. And it was so noticeable 231 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: to me that it like it kind of I wanted 232 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: to come out even less after that fact, you know, 233 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: but like this level of conversation is like are you 234 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: going to be Can people beyond it? For the remainder 235 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: of their life. Is the supply going to meet the demand? 236 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: Is it healthy? 237 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: Because I've also hard people having heart trouble due to 238 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: some of these complications with a medication, Like some people 239 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: have more reactions. Apparently Asian people have a really harsh 240 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: reaction or no reaction to met Foreman, which is one of. 241 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 3: Those drugs as well. 242 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, really, I didn't know that, 243 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: Like it's all these conversations were being had, but again 244 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: everything is being released so quickly, and then coming back 245 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: to like what happens if we do go backtrack, because 246 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: like is the money marketing scheme. 247 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: They want you to be on it for a while. 248 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: The industry in itself wants you to be on it 249 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: permanently so they can have that subscription service being paid 250 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: out all the time. So it is this really fine 251 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: line to get to. And then seeing people who once 252 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: were really positive like body positive, going into weight loss 253 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: journey and I'm like, you don't want to hate it 254 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: because you under stand it, but at the same time 255 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 2: you feel kind of sad and disappointed because those people 256 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 2: who were such great influences. But then at the same 257 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: time they get the pressure of like, well, there's access 258 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: to this, why don't you try this type of conversation too. 259 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: There's just it's such a deep level in conversation in 260 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: the study alone, like the scientific look at it, the 261 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: resource backed assessment in it all, and then also again 262 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: the implications that we see, and yeah, the tugging pull 263 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: of being people who seek perfection and feeling like having 264 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 2: a specific body type, looking a specific weight which is 265 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: never the standard until more recently has taken over, you know, 266 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: and then where do you go fall in line with 267 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: that in society. 268 00:17:46,440 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a complicated conversation in a lot of ways 269 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: because it is like you do understand why people are 270 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: doing it, and you don't want to judge them for it. 271 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: Like I feel like a lot of times when I 272 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 1: see celebrities who have lost a lot of weight, now 273 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, and it's not a good Like that's 274 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: their decision, right, And like you said, there's a lot 275 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: of pressure. There's a lot of push to do that, 276 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: but it does feel very disheartening in some ways. But 277 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, I can't pin that all on them, 278 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: So it's just like a mess. It's like a whole 279 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: tangle of emotion. 280 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 2: Where do we go with this, Yeah, there is, and 281 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: we do definitely want to talk about it because also 282 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: how do we have this discussion and also we have 283 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: to talk about the fact that the main spiriteness behind 284 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: these conversations as well in judgments, there's the damned if 285 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: you do, damned if you don't, and people with good 286 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: intentions are still doing really like harmful rhetoric in these 287 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: conversations too. And we could say that about the same 288 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: thing with the plastic surgery. I just saw someone who 289 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: I hadn't seen, like a celebrity in years and whatever 290 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: work she has that done amazing, like blown away about 291 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: how good it looks. But at the same time, I'm sad, 292 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: yeah that, you know, like she can't just be but 293 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: you can tell in what she speaks and how she 294 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: speaks she feels great and she feels like she can 295 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: come out and doing, you know, even though she looks 296 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: this good. I'm telling you, she looks like she's in 297 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: her thirties, like and she's in her fifties. I'm like, well, damn, 298 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: but now we know part of this conversation. When she 299 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: was an it girl back then, she's no longer the 300 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: it girl. Now she's the Grandma. Now she's like, you know, 301 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: all these characters that she never thought she'd have to 302 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: play or never thought about playing, and now she's back 303 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: to that. And even with looking that good, she will 304 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: never be place in a younger role type of thing. 305 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 2: It's such a like blatant tight rope that people have 306 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: to ride and not knowing how to do this. But 307 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: at the same time, the changes are very significant and 308 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: people notice it and can't help but notice it. Yeah, 309 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: so how do you walk that line? It's such a 310 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: hard place in this whole depth of conversation. 311 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean people are waiting for women to fail. 312 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: I believe that they are waiting for you. They're going 313 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: to make fun of you as you get older, and 314 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: they're going to make fun of you if you take 315 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: steps to look like you haven't gotten older. I believe 316 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: that completely. And I guess that goes back to the 317 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: point I was trying to make is that the societal 318 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: part is what really gives me anxiety more than like 319 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: a personal like a person I know doing it. It's 320 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: that I get. I understand why they're doing it because 321 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: of these pressures. It makes sense. I get why actors 322 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: do it, and especially women actors do it because you 323 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: do get aged out. You're like, oh, you're thirty the grandma. Now, 324 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: I mean for a while, this was like ten years ago, 325 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: but I believe the average Oscar winning male like actor 326 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: was fifty something and the average Oscar winning female actor 327 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: was twenty something. Like that's a that's a pretty stark difference. 328 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: Uh So, it's like it's a reality. It's a reality 329 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: that we live in. But that's what I was really 330 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: hoping we were changing. And now I'm worried with this, 331 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna go backwards. But there are people I was 332 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: reading some articles about this before we started, and there 333 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: are people who obviously who are still doing the work 334 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: and who are being the work of just being body 335 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: positive and like there's different types of bodies and stuff. 336 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of like people out there and 337 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: resources and research still happening, so it's not all doom 338 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: and gloom. And some people were very well, we don't 339 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: know how much how much bigger this is going to get. 340 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: We're not sure, we don't know. Huh. Anyway, it's a lot. 341 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: It is a lot. 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