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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're tightening

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Speaker 1: the V position. It's time to fly. It's Tuesday, August nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: and on today's show, we're talking to us ski jumper

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Speaker 1: make necessary invasions of privacy as professional, comfortable, and safe

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Speaker 1: as possible. This was a fascinating conversation. She is an

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Speaker 1: excellent representative not just for ski jumping, but for women

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Speaker 1: us with her story. Plus counting to ten when you're

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Speaker 1: interim and permanent at the same time and someone called Marcus,

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Speaker 1: we got another one. It's all coming up right after

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Speaker 1: this welcome back slice this here's what you need to

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Speaker 1: know today. In track and field news, the second ever

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Speaker 1: Women's to Kathlon World Championships took place this past weekend,

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Speaker 1: with Nicky Boone winning the title of World's greatest athlete.

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Speaker 1: This whole event is a big fing deal, slices. Shout

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Speaker 1: out to the folks over together for drawing our attention

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Speaker 1: to it. The Women's to Cathlon World Championships are organized

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Speaker 1: by the nonprofit ICO for All because women are still

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Speaker 1: banned from participating in the decathlon at the international level.

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Speaker 1: Ever seen a women's to kathlon at the Olympics? Nope,

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Speaker 1: the breakdown. A decathlon is a track and field competition

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Speaker 1: One hundred meter hurdles long jump, high jump, shot put in, javelin,

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Speaker 1: it's high time that women get the chance to compete

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Speaker 1: And this year there was an extra fun twist because

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Speaker 1: All Women's Sport network Pretty Badass. We'll put a link

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Speaker 1: or donate to support the Women's to Cathlon World Championships.

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Speaker 1: In hoops. There's a packed slate of five WNBA games tonight,

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Speaker 1: starting things off another finals rematch, The Minnesota Links visit

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Speaker 1: and League Pass. Minnesota three to zero against the Liberty

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Speaker 1: it's the Washington Mystics hosting the Connecticut Sun, available on

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Speaker 1: though DC's currently in tenth place, the Mystics are just

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Speaker 1: At eight pm Eastern, we've got the aforementioned Storm taken

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Speaker 1: our show notes to the NWSL got to wrap up

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Speaker 1: eleven am Eastern today on ESPN two and ESPN Plus

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Speaker 1: Open on Thursday for a live show at FanFest with

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Speaker 1: FanFest started yesterday and runs through Saturday with the USTA

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Speaker 1: Billyjing King National Tennis Center, grounds free and open to

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Speaker 1: That's wild, Okay, all right, So Jennifer Gray and Patrick

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Speaker 1: Swayze might have been a great duo for the ski jumps.

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Speaker 2: I'd say quite a lot. Ski jumping, like what really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly feels like it. Just putting yourself out

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about go out a little background

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Speaker 1: So can you explain what role the suit actually plays

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you've ever seen like skydiving where people

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Speaker 2: is a very equipment heavy sport. I would say, like,

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting because I would think that it would

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Speaker 2: So each country is making their own suits. It's not

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Speaker 2: body scan done, And then evidently people were finding a

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00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 2: way around that, so the year after that, you had

434
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 2: to change into the FIST provided underwear in the presence

435
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 2: of a doctor, which brings us to this year. Kind

436
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 2: of the same deal. You have to change into the

437
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 2: FIST provided underwear in the presence of a doctor, but

438
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: this year there was a kind of second part inspection

439
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: to it, so we had to drop our panties and

440
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: stand there while the adoctor inspected us for like three

441
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: to five seconds with our lake spread, and then once

442
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 2: he said like okay, you're good, then we put our

443
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 2: underwear back on and got our three D body scan done.

444
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: So they've escalated it quite a bit each year.

445
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: Okay, the three D body scan is making me think

446
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: of like motion capture for movies, where you've got the

447
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: dots all over your body and it kind of can

448
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: track like each part of you. And it makes sense

449
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: that they would elevate to that because I noticed in

450
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: the guidelines that there were very strict rules about standing

451
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: up perfectly straight, or taking a deep breath before other

452
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: things you think about slouching, or ways that you might

453
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: try to alter the numbers so that your suit could

454
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: actually be bigger than you are. But it sounds like

455
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: the escalation in that has taken a bit of a

456
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: turn in that you were pretty comfortable with what they

457
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: were doing before, but this most recent time that you

458
00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 1: went in ahead of this competition in France, you didn't

459
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: think the experience was in alignment with what would make

460
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: athletes most comfortable, right, So can you tell us what

461
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: happened there and why it was different?

462
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: What was different this year is always in the past,

463
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: since they've introduced like changing into the underwear, we've had

464
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: a female doctor provided for us, but this year when

465
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: we showed up, there was a male doctor there. He

466
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: said that he worked as a reproductive endocrinologist, So like say,

467
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: subsection of OBGI in which I think in physicize made

468
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: it okay, But yeah, we had to strip down pretty

469
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: naked in front of this male doctor and they asked

470
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: us like all right, like do you guys feel okay

471
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: about this? And we're all like no, not really, and

472
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: they're like, okay, well, you guys can refuse, that is

473
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: your choice, but then you won't be able to compete.

474
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: So it was like the illusion of choice. If we

475
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: wanted to be there and compete that weekend, then we'd

476
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: had to, you know, strip down in front of this

477
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: male doctor.

478
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that happened to you. When they asked

479
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: are you okay with this? At what point in the

480
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: proceedings was it? Were you all together when you were asked?

481
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: Who was asking you? That?

482
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: Our whole team was there? We had this is when

483
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: we had arrived at the hill for our testing appointment,

484
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: so it was probably like five minutes before we were

485
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: getting tested.

486
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: And as far as you knew, you were going to

487
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: have the same tests as before, including the naked search,

488
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: but you expected it to be a woman. Yeah, okay,

489
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 1: So it wasn't the actual practice as much as it

490
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: was that you were not given the choice to have

491
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: it administered by a female doctor. And who asked if

492
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: you were okay with it? Was it a representative from

493
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: FISS or Yeah, it was.

494
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 2: The FIS equipment control personnel for the female circuit.

495
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: So you know, those of us not in sports like

496
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: this might be shocked at the very idea that just

497
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: being able to compete requires this level of examination, that

498
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways that your privacy will be impacted,

499
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: and that you're sort of used to it by now.

500
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: We've had other athletes come on the show and talk

501
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: about having to pee in front of anti doping control

502
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: officers or do a variety of other bodily things in

503
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: front of people, and I imagine they're all sort of uncomfortable.

504
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: But up unto this point in this particular test, did

505
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: you always feel like you were being considered and that

506
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: what was being asked of you was necessary to the

507
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: sport and handled in the best way possible to achieve

508
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: the desired result of fairness.

509
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, it's in my best interest that the playing

510
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 2: field is as even as possible. The United States, despite

511
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: being a large country, is actually a very small country

512
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: in ski jumping. We have a lot less funding than

513
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: some of these bigger countries like Norway or Germany or Austria,

514
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: And generally what we see is these bigger countries have

515
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: more access to kind of work go around these rules,

516
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: So the stricter they are, the more it actually benefits me.

517
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: And I would say that like, over the years of

518
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: an athlete, I have gone really comfortable kind of being

519
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: in very bare minimal clothing around people, whether that's just

520
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: like in the changing room or for equipment control purposes.

521
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: But it made it different about this year. Yes, was

522
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: the male doctor, but it was also this like stand there,

523
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: spread your legs and inspection because like even when you're

524
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: there for like DCO doping control, they're like inspecting your genitals.

525
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: They're just there to witness basically.

526
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: So this was the first time that there was actually

527
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: somebody up close for three to five seconds inspecting your genitals.

528
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. Before it was just they were there while we

529
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: were changing. There was no like stop, pause, wait, yeah.

530
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: Got it was anyone else in the room with you.

531
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the setup was everyone was in the same room.

532
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: I went behind a barrier where the doctor could see me,

533
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: and then my coach was able to watch the doctor

534
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: watch me, but without seeing me.

535
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. This is bringing up so many thoughts about

536
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: Larry Nasser, and in the US there was a really

537
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: big conversation about trust from female athletes with doctors, trust

538
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: in their federations and the people that are put in

539
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: place to help protect them. And in the case of

540
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: Larry Nasser, there were parents in the room sometimes as

541
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: he was violating girls who didn't know either couldn't see

542
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: exactly what he was doing or were assured that it

543
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: was necessary. Did it make you feel better to have

544
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: a coach watching the doctor watch you in any way?

545
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: Not really? And also, like with the Larry Naster thing,

546
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: I think that like the US women's team felt more

547
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: affected than the other teams at the competition. I think

548
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: specifically because we kind of grew up more in a

549
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: sport environment where we did have this distrust of doctors,

550
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: like just because somebody's a doctor doesn't make them safe,

551
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: whereas in other countries, one I think it's more usual

552
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: to have a male gynecologist, and two I don't think

553
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: they have this like safe sport cloud above them at

554
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: all times, right.

555
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean, having learned and heard about the extent of

556
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: what Larry Nasa was able to do over decades will

557
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: certainly make any woman an athlete in particular, much more

558
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: wary going into these situations. So you had your coach

559
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: watching the doctor, and your coach, the US team coach

560
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: is one of the few or maybe the only female

561
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: head coach on the women's circuit.

562
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, she's our assistant coach but yeah, she is

563
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: the only female coach on the women's circuit or the

564
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: men's circuit for that matter.

565
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So I mean that's a little more comfortable

566
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: for you probably that there is a woman watching the proceedings.

567
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: But if you had asked, would you be allowed to

568
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: have any other chaperone or person in the room for

569
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: your safety?

570
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: I would assume. So the issue with like being an Americans,

571
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm traveling all the way to Europe for these competitions,

572
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't have known to bring a person because

573
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a male doctor, and you know,

574
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: paying to bring a chaperone or whatever was kind of unrealistic.

575
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 2: So I feel very lucky that we did have a

576
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: female staff member there, but you know, other countries might

577
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: not be as lucky. We have, like the Japanese team

578
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: traveling all the way from Asia for these things, and

579
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: I don't think they have any female staff members.

580
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: So when you arrived and they said here's what the

581
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: proceedings are going to be and here's the doctor doing it,

582
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: did one of you ask is there a woman we

583
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: can do this with instead? And that's when they gave

584
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: you that sort of illusion of choice. Yeah, Wow, I'm

585
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: so sorry that you had to deal with that. What

586
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: were the conversations with your coach and your teammates after that?

587
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: We all just kind of talked about how uncomfortable it was,

588
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: and it was me who brought up I was like,

589
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: we need to like go to the media about this,

590
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: Like something about this feels so like icky and wrong

591
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: that we need to like tell people. It was like

592
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: I have to go like run and tell a trusted

593
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: adult like yeah, but yeah, we just kind of like

594
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: felt that it wasn't quite right. And actually even some

595
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: of our male teammates like sent a message in their

596
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: World Cup group chat to say like, hey, like, did

597
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: you guys know that they're not providing a female for

598
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: the women? Like I don't feel like this is quite right.

599
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: So it's not it's not just us that's kind of

600
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: feeling that way.

601
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm so glad they did, because unfortun sometimes it does

602
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: require men to speak up in these instances. Did you

603
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: feel like you mentioned that in Europe? Maybe there it's

604
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: not as strange. Did you feel like this was more

605
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: a matter of an absence of thought, like they didn't

606
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: even consider, Oh, do you think these women would be

607
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: more comfortable with a female doctor or do you think

608
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: it was something done with intention, like they don't deserve

609
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: to have that request. You know, what's the thinking behind

610
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: them not even for a second in advance considering that

611
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: it would make more sense to have a female doctor

612
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: do this.

613
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: I feel like they must have considered it at some point,

614
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: because up until now we've had a female doctor. I

615
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: think for FIS it was more of a convenience thing,

616
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: like it's more convenient for them to only have to

617
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: have one doctor there, and I think that's why they

618
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: invited like a male obguin trying to cover all their bases.

619
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: But I do think it is more kind of a

620
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: convenience thing.

621
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: What was the age of the athletes that we're having

622
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: to undergo this body testing?

623
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: I think our youngest athlete right now is eighteen, and

624
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: our oldest on our team is twenty three. But the

625
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: procedure is the same for underage athletes, So, like any

626
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: you're eligible to compete in international competitions at age fifteen,

627
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: and the procedure would be the same for any athlete

628
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: wanting to compete at that level.

629
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: So any athletes under eighteen from another country that might

630
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: have been there to compete had to undergo this as well. Yeah, yeah,

631
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: that seems really problematic. So you reached out to producer

632
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Alex because you saw that she'd written about and covered

633
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: ski jumping before. Did you reach out to other media

634
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: or other folks to try to see if they were

635
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: interested in talking about this?

636
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: Not really, I just figured i'd try one and see

637
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: how it went, and tried to find a woman who've

638
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: written about ski jumping.

639
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, probably not as common as you wish

640
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: and hope for.

641
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's kind of difficult, but looked doubt.

642
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm so glad Alex brought us the story

643
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: because I do think there are elements of sports like

644
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: during this interview, I've already learned so much. I've never

645
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: heard of the crotch machine or or any of those things,

646
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: and I fully get how necessary they are, and to

647
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: your point, you actually want them. You want these protocols

648
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: in place to make sure that what you're competing in

649
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: is as fair as it can be. But obviously there

650
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: are ways to ensure that all the athletes feel centered

651
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: and taken care of in these moments. So what's the

652
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Speaker 1: next step? What else? First of all, do you want

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Speaker 1: people to know while you have this opportunity on our show, I.

654
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Speaker 2: Just would like to say that I don't feel like

655
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Speaker 2: fairness should come at the cost of my dignity. There

656
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: has got to be some way that we can ensure

657
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Speaker 2: the sport is fair without like having all the athletes

658
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Speaker 2: strip searched. I think it might require a little bit

659
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Speaker 2: more funding or personnel on that front, but I don't

660
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Speaker 2: think taking the easy way out at the cost of

661
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Speaker 2: like the female athletes is the way to go.

662
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Speaker 1: And what next steps might you want either the US

663
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Speaker 1: Key Jumping Federation or other folks that help represent you

664
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Speaker 1: and your fellow athletes, what would you like them to do.

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Speaker 2: I think just start discussions with this specifically on kind

666
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Speaker 2: of the women's front of things, making sure that we're

667
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Speaker 2: considered in equipment decisions. A lot of the times they

668
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: make decisions for the men and it's just applied to

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Speaker 2: the women, which is unfair, particularly in suit decisions, because

670
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Speaker 2: their bodies are different, and we also fluctuate a lot

671
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Speaker 2: more than the men do, like week to week. So

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Speaker 2: I'd say that, like, I don't even know if there's

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Speaker 2: a woman on the council for FIS, that's like providing

674
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Speaker 2: opinions about this. But if there isn't, I think there

675
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Speaker 2: should be, And if they're currently is, maybe they need

676
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Speaker 2: to speak up a little bit more because I definitely

677
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Speaker 2: feel like the women are the afterbot here.

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Speaker 1: Are there any other outcomes or extensions of this that

679
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Speaker 1: you're worried about.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of worried about what situations the sets minor

681
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Speaker 2: athletes up for. Like, there are bad people and predators

682
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Speaker 2: out there, and I don't think like normalizing being naked

683
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Speaker 2: in a sports context is safe for minors. Like a

684
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Speaker 2: lot of us will practice for measurements before we actually

685
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Speaker 2: get them done, just because they do influence a lot

686
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Speaker 2: for your season. And I don't want there to be

687
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Speaker 2: a situation where a predatory coach says to a minor

688
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Speaker 2: athlete like, hey, like we need to practice measurements. You

689
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Speaker 2: strip down naked to get these measurements, Like that's just

690
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Speaker 2: how it goes.

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Speaker 1: The practicing is so that you know your coach might

692
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Speaker 1: give you tips on like how to stand, to make

693
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Speaker 1: sure that you're not giving them measurements that would be disadvantageous.

694
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I like the difference between like standing all

695
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: the way straight up and like ducking your chin a

696
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: little bit can make like a centimeter difference. So just

697
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Speaker 2: practicing to make sure you know exactly what you're going

698
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Speaker 2: to do when you're walking in there.

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Speaker 1: What's next for you are the Olympics on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the qualifying for that. Is

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Speaker 1: that what these events that you're currently competing in are

702
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Speaker 1: leading up to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so our Olympic qualifying period actually started last July.

704
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Speaker 2: We have a really really long qualifying period. All points

705
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Speaker 2: that are scored in Grand Prix, which are summer competitions

706
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Speaker 2: and World Cups, count towards qualifying quota spots for your country.

707
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Speaker 2: So when we qualify a quota spot, that spot isn't

708
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Speaker 2: necessarily yours, and then starting in December, we'll start competing

709
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Speaker 2: for those spots. So like right now, I have I

710
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Speaker 2: think like one hundred and something points, which is definitely

711
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Speaker 2: high enough to keep a quota spot for the US.

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Speaker 2: And that's good, And if I can continue buying results

713
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Speaker 2: from last season, I'll have a really good shot at

714
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Speaker 2: securing one of those quota spots for myself.

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Speaker 1: Amazing congratulations on that. And then you're also in school

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Speaker 1: hoping to graduate next.

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Speaker 2: Year right the year after next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, we've backed it up a little on

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Speaker 1: your on your LinkedIn. We were aiming for twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: but the ski jumping has taken priority a little.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to transfer. I was originally at the

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Speaker 2: University of Utah, but transferred to the University of North

723
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Speaker 2: Dakota because of their online program. But that transfer did

724
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Speaker 2: set me back a year.

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Speaker 1: Got it And is the eventual goal to be a dentist?

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Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, I actually just got my DAT scores

727
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Speaker 2: back today. I'm really excited.

728
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Speaker 1: How'd you do?

729
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: Really really good?

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Speaker 1: Crushed it? Amazing, amazing. Well, you just seem like an

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Speaker 1: incredibly impressive woman between the biomedical engineering and the pre

732
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Speaker 1: dental and the ski jumping and your travels and your

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Speaker 1: photography on your install, like you seem like you're crushing life.

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Speaker 1: And you're still so young. So we can't wait to

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Speaker 1: see what you do in the qualifying And we're so

736
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Speaker 1: grateful you were willing to talk about this. I think

737
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Speaker 1: that is the biggest thing, is just athletes getting out

738
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Speaker 1: and saying like, this is what we need, this is

739
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: what we deserve, this is what we have dealt with,

740
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Speaker 1: and we should improve it. And I think that you're

741
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Speaker 1: going to be a great voice in helping change things

742
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Speaker 1: going forward. So thanks so much for talking to us

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. It's you know,

745
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: sometimes hard to get a spotlight on small, niche sports

746
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: like ski jumping, so I really I really appreciate you

747
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Speaker 2: taking the time to kind of like actually do the

748
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Speaker 2: research and invite me on here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, big thanks to Alex for bringing the story

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Speaker 1: to the show, and also to you for allowing us

751
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Speaker 1: to name a show inevitably the Crotch Machine percent what

752
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: we're naming the show. Thanks to Paige not just for

753
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Speaker 1: taking the time to talk to us, but for reaching

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00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: out to us to share her story. After speaking with her,

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Speaker 1: we contacted FISS, the organization that oversees international ski jumping

756
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: competition and creates and enforces the protocols that Paige and

757
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: her fellow athletes are subjected to. We wanted to see

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Speaker 1: if they had any comment on the experience page described

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00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: and to ask a few clarifying questions. As part of

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Speaker 1: their lengthy, very helpful response, FISS said, quote, FISS is

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Speaker 1: fully committed to a fair sport and to protecting honest

762
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: competitors from being harmed by any form of fraud or manipulation.

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00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: We are also committed to doing so while showing the

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Speaker 1: utmost respect for the athletes safety and well being. This

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Speaker 1: is non negotiable. End quote. We asked FIS about the

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Speaker 1: reason that a naked legs spread examination is required in

767
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: the first place, and they offered some insight on that

768
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: noting quote. Over the course of the last couple of years,

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00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: there have been a few occasions in which athletes attempted

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: to defraud the three D measurement process, for example by

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Speaker 1: adding prosthetic like parts to that area of the body.

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Speaker 1: This was the reason why this year's protocol was further

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Speaker 1: developed end quote. As for the evolving procedural changes and

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Speaker 1: athlete rites, FISS said, the three D body scan protocol

775
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: quote gives the athlete the possibility to refuse to undergo

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Speaker 1: the procedure in case they feel uncomfortable, and postpone the

777
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Speaker 1: measurement for a later date with no penalties or consequences.

778
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Speaker 1: End quote. It's worth noting, though, according to Page the

779
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: chance to refuse or postpone came on site five minutes

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00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: in advance of the procedure, and while FI set an

781
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: athlete who refuses wouldn't be penalized or have any consequences.

782
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: They also wouldn't be allowed to compete, and with prize

783
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: money and Olympic qualifying points on the line, athletes would

784
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: still be impacted by opting out. We also wanted clarification

785
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: from FISS on the rules that are in place for

786
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: minor athletes, given that page said all athletes went through

787
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: the same procedure, even those under the age of eighteen.

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00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: Fifth wrote back to say, the protocol recommends quote the

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00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: presence of a parent or egal caretaker at the moment

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Speaker 1: of the exam, or, in case this is not possible,

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Speaker 1: of a team member preferably of the same gender as

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Speaker 1: the athlete, authorized by the parent or legal caretaker, who

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00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: would also be signatories at the consent form end quote.

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Speaker 1: As for the doctor that was provided at the event

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Speaker 1: in France, that page attended, the statement from FISS says,

796
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: quote for that competition, FIS brought in a renowned medical doctor,

797
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: in fact, with extensive experience working with women's health to

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00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: perform body inspections for the twenty twenty five twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six season. FIST continued with that said, we absolutely respect

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Speaker 1: the athlete's feelings and understand that the presence of a

801
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: male doctor may be deemed uncomfortable by female athletes. FIS

802
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: acknowledges this kind of constructive feedback and hereby commits going

803
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: forward to offering female athletes the possibility of being examined

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00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: by a female doctor end quote. We reached out to

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Speaker 1: FIS to clarify how intentional the use of the word

806
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: possibility was, i e. Was it interchangeable with option or opportunity.

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00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Did they mean a female doctor will be guaranteed at

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00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: all future events or that it's just a possibility that

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00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: a female doctor will be provided. FISS replied that quote,

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Speaker 1: whenever there are three D body scans scheduled for female athletes,

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Speaker 1: they will be allowed to request for it to be

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Speaker 1: conducted by a female doctor. End quote. We'll keep you

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Speaker 1: all updated if we learn any more about these evolving procedures,

814
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 1: and we're always open to hearing from other athletes as well,

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00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: ski jumpers and non ski jumpers alike. We know that

816
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: there are a lot of ways that competing in elite

817
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: sport can require sort of necessary invasions of privacy, but

818
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that those experiences shouldn't be as comfortable,

819
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: safe and professional as possible. So if you have your

820
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: own story to share, please reach out. Our email is

821
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: good game at wondermedianetwork dot com. In the meantime, we

822
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: really appreciate Page for sharing her story and Fiss for

823
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: getting back to us and saying the organization is willing

824
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: to make changes based on athletes safety concerns and feedback.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons this story feels so important to

826
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: us is something Alex mentioned when we were talking about

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Speaker 1: the show today, and that the situation isn't always toxic

828
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: or abusive. Sometimes it's just about improving practice so that

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00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: athletes have the best experience possible. And that's why it's

830
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: so important to talk about things like this. Even if

831
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: everyone had the best intentions, that doesn't mean we can't

832
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: still make improvements. All right, we have to take another break.

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Speaker 1: When we return, it's my party. You can come out

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Speaker 1: those man's congrats Emma. Oh and Alex and Mesh. Gotta

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Speaker 1: say thank you for the surprise birthday wishes you dropped

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Speaker 1: into yesterday's episode. It was both sweet and snarky, which

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Speaker 1: get me, and I will have you know. At my

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Speaker 1: birthday party, I drank a shot of milort hit a

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Speaker 1: Brandy Chastain because we had a different costume for each

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Speaker 1: stop after all, and I basically live stream the party

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Speaker 1: did the splits well dressed as a Christmas pickle, So

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Speaker 1: the only thing missing is the Sam Carr backflip. Guess

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Speaker 1: I have something to train for ahead of next year's birthday.

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Speaker 1: Now it's your turn, y'all, rate and review. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: See you tomorrow. Good Game Page, Good game, Emma. You

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Speaker 1: heat delays. I'm worried We're gonna have more and more

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Speaker 1: of those in the years to come. Good Game with

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Speaker 1: Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership

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Speaker 1: Alex Azzie and Misha Jones. Our executive producers are Christina Everett,

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