WEBVTT - 2. All the Way Uptown 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.720 I didn't know much about him, but he drove a hearse, 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.119 and inside his hearse was like a lot of guns, 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:09.879 you know, like a R fifteen and all other kind 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.200 of shit. I never held one of those before in 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:13.640 my life, and I held it and I was like, 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.680 oh shit, And I'm pro gun and everything, but I 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.400 never held anything like that. Yeah, it was just this 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.040 badass dude, you know, talking about he worked in the 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.439 foreign military, he was for the Black Lives Matter movement, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.520 and you know, it just seemed interesting, you know. In 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.440 August twenty twenty, with millions of Americans protesting across the country, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.280 activist zeb Hal invites a guy he's met at one 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.320 of the demonstrations to his apartment in Denver to talk 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:44.199 about plans for the future. The way I look at 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.520 is like shit has to happen. The has to happen. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.360 It's like you said, I mean, how extreme do you expected? 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.199 Would you want it to go? If you were to 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:54.959 tell that to your people, how would you say, say, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.680 I come one of your people, right, how would you 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:03.400 say it? I'm Funnels? Yeah I robbed Funnels. I went 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.280 to the Curtis Room kill license. So there's nothing you 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.680 can tell me what shocked me. This guy had shown 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:11.640 up on the scene in Denver driving a silver hearse 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.440 filled with weapons. He claims to have been a soldier 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.560 for the French Foreign Legion and the Peshmerga, the Kurdish 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.520 military force in Iraq. He even says he's killed isis 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.760 terrorist on the battlefield. Zeb Haul has been involved in 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.760 the demonstrations for a couple of months. At this point, 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.120 He's seen peaceful protesters attacked by police. He suffered a 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.039 head injury. He's growing more and more concerned about black 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.840 people being attacked and killed by cops, and he thinks 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.320 that he and others need to learn to defend themselves. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.600 So zeb sitting in his living room with this guy, 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:46.679 asks him, can you teach me how to fight? But 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:51.720 the thing is this my type of training that I 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.440 do is anything from mine. I can teach you how 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:58.680 to shoot a gun to you know, yeah, and in 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.240 combat all the ways like blowing up fucking buildings and 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.800 grolla warfare, tactics and sabotage. Do you want to learn 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.400 how to just shoot a gun, pool, throw somebody around 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.400 a kick cool? Or do you want to go that 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:18.480 way all the way uptown? Yeah? Do you want to 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.320 learn to shoot a gun and throw someone around, or 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.480 do you want to go all the way uptown? Zep 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.720 says he wants to go all the way uptown, appearing 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.959 to mean quote like blowing up fucking buildings and guerrilla 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.200 warfare tactics and sabotage. We need to know every bit 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:40.040 of defense possible. So here's a question. And so when 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.600 I was in Syrian let me explain. The best way 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.320 I did it was when I was a Syrian in Iraq. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.040 We had a lot of antique for guys that came 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.760 over there, and I was one of the instructors of 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.240 the Red STARB game. Really wants to talk them the 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.000 gerrilla warfare attactives we taught them. I ees all this 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.840 crazy shit. I had no problem with giving you that 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.079 type of training, but I have to make sure that 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.160 that's what you want to do. That you want to 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:07.880 learn the crime Dela Crime Special So that's what you 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:12.960 want to do, then you know that's what I want 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.639 to do. Zep says, Okay, So switch on, I can 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.680 make it happen. I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western Sound and 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:47.640 i Heeart Podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys, Episode two, all 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:57.160 the way uptown. So who is this guy? This real 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.760 deal ANTIFA militant, the guy with the silver her weapons, 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.600 Who's going to take things in Denver to the next level. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.200 I spent a lot of time reporting this out, pulling 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.040 court records and police reports, files from the prison system, 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.920 talking to people who knew him in the United States, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.680 in the Middle East, and chasing down every lead I 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:19.360 could find. I discovered that his full name is Michael 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:25.280 Adam Windecker, the Second, so he goes by Mickey. Born 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.559 in Colorado, He's in his late forties, stands five foot seven, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.400 has a ruddy complexion and a stocky frame. In photos 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.440 when he was younger, Mickey was slender and toned. In 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.599 his middle age, he's developed a paunch, but he's still strong, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.880 with big biceps and wide knuckles that would have little 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.760 difficulty knocking out a few of your teeth. Mickey has 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.080 got a history in foreign militaries and in the US 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:55.040 criminal justice system, arrest in Colorado, Nevada, Texas, and Florida. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.000 His offenses include firearms charges, menacing with a weapon, and 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:04.240 sexual assault. In Mickey's telling of Mickey's story, he's the 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.520 well off son of an emotionally negligent mother and a 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:12.440 committed father who was a savvy businessman. So my mom 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:14.560 and my mom's side of the family were kind of 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.960 like reptiles, like once you had, you pretty much out 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:18.160 of the nest, as I could love to take care 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.640 of go yourself. I really didn't have a lot of 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.159 communication or a lot of history with my mom, so 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.960 we didn't bond very well. Mickey wouldn't sit down for 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:31.000 an interview with me, but in investigating him, I found 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.480 hours of recordings of him. Some are or have been 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:39.280 on social media, like this video. My dad owned two businesses. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.800 He actually owned a cab company locally here in Colorado, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.479 and he actually owned a carnival and a couple other businesses, 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.200 So we had a shitload of money. My dad was 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:51.839 my superhero because it wasn't perfect, but he did teot 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.000 me a lot of life skill shit. As I was 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.839 growing up as a young man, Mickey wanted an adventure 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.200 and so at nineteen years old, he tells of going 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.320 to France to join the Foreign Legion, the world famous 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.800 French military unit that accepts feign volunteers. This would have 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.000 been around nineteen ninety four, and I went to place 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.680 called the Citydale. They took me through selection. They took 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.040 me to Paris, to Fort den Gents, through some more 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.560 selections than it took me to a bomb near Marseilles 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:24.600 to do my getting into the Foreign Legion, and so 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.480 I lost our shortis I'm waiting, you know, you have 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.400 to go out there on the flight deck, a Middle 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.320 Eastern guy who was also trying to volunteer in the 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.360 French Foreign Legion started to harass and disrespect Mickey. Well, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.200 at the time, I was nineteen years old, and I 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.280 didn't take kind of may to being disrespected. So I 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.039 beat the ship out of the guy, and a couple 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.920 of corporal chefs and a corporal came up there and 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.960 they grabbed me, and there were like, fuck, we can't 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.440 have that here, can't be attacking people. So they got 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.360 me a train ticket, they paid me while I was there. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.640 They started me to train, went back to Paris and 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.599 they and after that I came back to the United States. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.920 After Mickey returned to the United States, he worked a 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.160 variety of odd jobs, took some community college courses, and 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.720 traveled around and in his telling, he was something of 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.520 a citizen warrior out there looking to help the good guys. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.000 In two thousand and five, he was in Hollywood, Florida, 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.680 just north of Miami, when he saw a crime in progress. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.720 A couple of bad guys had just robbed a pawn shop. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.600 I pull up and I'm stopping at a light, and 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.760 I see these guys running out with the gun and 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.320 they got a bunch of shit in their hands, and 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.640 there were a lot of people around the area. So 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.040 I jumped on my vehicle and I tackled the guy 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.840 with a gun and took him to the ground, and 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.560 the culture like right there, they grabbed and chew and 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.720 they cupped him up. This is one part of Mickey's story. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.320 I was able to verify it happened pretty much exactly 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.760 as he described it. I found an article about it 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.320 in the South Florida Sun Sentinel. The quotes a local 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:05.920 police spokesman thanking Mickey for his assistance. About seven years 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.120 after that incident, Mickey was back in the Denver area, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:14.960 so it was the premiere of Batman. That's when in 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.480 twenty twelve, a gunman walked into a movie theater in Aurora, 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.559 just outside Denver an open fire using a semi automatic rifle. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.480 Twelve people were killed and seventy were injured. The mass 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.680 shooting made international news. The violence on the screen erupted 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.559 in the theater. At first, witnesses thought the gunman was 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.760 part of the show. He entered the debut of the 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.520 Batman film, Dark Knight Rises looking like the villain the Joker, 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.000 with a gas mask, head to toe armor and an 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:47.680 eerie calm. And it seems Mickey was there. And actually 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.439 I was going to the movie theater, but I was 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.560 running a little bit behind, and I showed up as 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.360 the last couple of shots were ringing out, and I 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.160 proceeded to help people out of the theater and helped 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.120 them get him too, ambulances and stuff like that. Mickey 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.600 lived near the movie theater at the time. Several people 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.559 told me Mickey had shown them pictures and video of 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.560 him at the theater that evening. A week after the shooting, 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.120 he also posted on Facebook about his experience, describing how 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.559 he assisted the injured. So, yeah, he appears to have 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:24.800 been there. Mickey has never had much of a political 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.600 identity as far as I can tell. If he has 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:31.840 any sort of politics, it's the politics of grievance. Everybody sucks, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:38.360 everybody's out to get him a brand of political nihilism almost. So. Look, 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.360 the thing I look at him like this is, I 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.720 don't I come from the seventies. Okay, I'm almost about 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.800 to fifth. Okay. The thing I look at like this 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.640 is I have an old biker saying which is called 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.559 fuck the three piece the politicians, the press, and the police. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.679 It's just the way it is. Okay. Press has never 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.800 fucking helped me, an' fucking politics sharing me, and definitely 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.160 the police because they don't help me. A few years 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.319 after the movie theater shooting, with the rise of the 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:10.600 Islamic State or ISIS in Iraq and Syria, Mickey decides 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.200 to join the fight. The all American tough guy heads 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.199 to the Middle East. Mickey says he flew to a 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.559 rock to volunteer as a foreign fighter with the Peshmerga, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:24.040 the Kurdish military force. According to my reporting, he also 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:29.560 around this time started claiming Kurdish descent and Iraq Mickey 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.920 says the Kurds saved him from an otherwise aimless and 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.800 meaningless life. Yeah, which been the type of person when 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.920 I grew up, I was the smallest kid in school. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.160 I always got picked up by bullies, So I kind 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.800 of learned I had to stand up for myself. And 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.959 I liked the Kurds because in fact was that they 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:53.559 were out man, outgun, out train, outsupply and all this, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:58.240 and they were the underdog and they were kicking ass, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.839 you know, and they were actually that come to learn 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:06.199 later on, really good people, you know, and that was 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.679 something I could get with, you know. So to me, 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.439 I guess the best way can say it is like 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:19.199 I was given a second chance in life. Mickey, in 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.079 his telling, was a decorated fighter for the Peshmerga, and 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.880 he says he trained dozens of American ANTIFA activists in 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.920 the Middle East in hand to hand combat weapons and explosives. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.120 In a video I have of Mickey, he pulls out 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.240 his phone and shows a photo to the camera. Here 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:42.600 I am with I captured flag when I was in battle. 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.959 Mickey was such an effective fighter, he claimed that Isis 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.800 issued a bounty on his head and some of his 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.040 friends routed him out to the bad guys. I've had 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.280 people that I thought were my friends in Colorado lead 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:01.360 my information to terrorist groups, real risk groups. They leaked 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.120 it to nash That's what we call the Islamic state 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.679 they leaked it to other groups. What type of car 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.160 I drove one type of motorcycle. I road where I 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.120 hung out all the ship and literally leaked my information 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.360 out there, tried to get a what we call patua, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.439 which is known as a death note or a death 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.080 ransoup on me and Mickey's telling. If there are any 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.000 Isis fighters with the courage to try to take them 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.000 out and collect that bounty, then well come get some. 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.360 So yeah, the death the death ship was out there 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.120 a lot, doesn't bother me none. They put it away. 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.040 I'm very well armed. I'm not gonna say how, but 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.199 I'm very well armed. So if and I am very 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.800 well trained, don't confuse my looks in my little bit 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.160 of chugginess that I'm not prepared for any type of situation, 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.920 because I have been. It's not brag. I am very 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.839 well trained and ray bullshit. By twenty seventeen, with a 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.760 price on his head, Mickey had returned to Denver and 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.199 began to tell everyone he met that he was a 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.079 representative of the Kurdish government. Mickey even claimed to have 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.400 diplomatic community from his work with the Kurds, whom he 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.640 credited with turning his life around. If you've ever seen 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.160 a movie when somebody's life is a complete shit show 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.760 where it's fu and they go when they do something 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.079 in their life changes and they become a new person. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.520 Something happens to them and also they're a totally different person. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.000 That's kind of like what happened with me with the Kurds. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.719 And now Mickey was back in the United States, inspired 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.480 and with a new mission, a mission he was going 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.960 to put into action in Denver more after the break 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.319 after George Floyd's murder in twenty twenty, Mickey started to 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.520 attend the protests. He offered weapons training to anyone who 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.360 expressed an interest, and by describing how he fought ISIS 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.439 terrorists and had diplomatic community, he appeared on first impressions 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.760 to be an important and legitimate guy, someone many of 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.520 the racial justice activists thought they could trust, but not everyone. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.880 He's like dressed often in like fatigues or you know, 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:13.160 more black blocked style, seemed to fly a marine flag, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.240 it seems like, but he didn't seem like he was 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.880 demand that he claimed to be. This is Brian Loma. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.200 Brian is widely known in the Denver activist community for 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.320 live streaming videos of the racial justice protests. I do 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:35.200 seem to remember that he was armed, which you know, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.800 kind of gave him a sense of having some credibility. Right. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.240 He came off as like maybe being a rook but 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:47.720 like really being like into the movement. And now that 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.640 I say that out loud, that just kind of throws 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.960 a red flag up in itself. Brian was live streaming 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.120 on July twenty twenty during a rally for Elijah McClean, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.720 the young black man had been killed in Colorado the 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.400 year before George Floyd was murdered in Minnesota. Some hold 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.080 up signs reading the People United will end racist police terror. 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.040 I've been living in a war since nineteen eighty one. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.320 This is one of the speakers at the event. And 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.000 even back then, I remember when you couldn't be black 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.360 and be walking up and down Sable or al Alida 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:27.200 without the funky ass racist fucking police pulling you over 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:32.040 and harassing you. The rhetoric at these rallies would get 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:36.520 pretty heated, like that guy's foul language, The system is racist, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.360 Fuck the police, that kind of stuff. Mickey is at 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.440 this demonstration, and this is right around the time that 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.560 he first meets zeb Hall. After this rally, the demonstrators 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:58.200 marched through the city. Ran Loma is life streaming the 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.880 whole thing. The demonstrators, numbering in the hundreds, then pour 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.560 on the Interstate two twenty five, a major highway that 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.640 creates a partial perimeter road around Denver. They block all 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.160 the traffic on both sides of the interstate and then 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.400 start confronting the drivers they had trapped. Some smile and 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.760 laugh and voice support for the demonstrators. Other drivers aren't 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.880 as amused, like one Brian Loma confronts, Yeah, are you 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.320 doing today? Say? Are you okay? There's people in front 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.360 of you? Would you not drive in front of you? 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.800 But this demonstration quickly spirals out of control. On the 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.000 other side of the interstate from where Brian Loma is filming, 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.640 a blue jeep wrangler speeds through the protesters, nearly hitting 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.640 several Another demonstrator films the incident. As it happens. You 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:47.160 can hear gunshots ring out. One of the demonstrators appears 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.760 to have fired on the jeep as it speeds through 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:54.560 the crowd. The scene then becomes chaotic. The hundreds of 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.480 demonstrators then leave the interstate and congregate in the surrounding 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:05.480 city streets, choking them off the traffic. At one point, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.920 the crowd stops, and a black man with a bullhorn 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.280 in his hand and an assault rifle slung over his 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:15.080 shoulder addresses the protesters. This is scary work. This is 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.960 what it looks like to organize. I guess the racism 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.240 in the most racist toutry in the world. As the 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.359 hundreds of people advance up the street, Brian Loma turns 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.800 his camera to the front of the parade of demonstrators. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.320 Right up front, as if clearing the way for the protesters, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:40.200 is a slowly moving silver hearse it's Mickey up front 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:51.920 and in charge of the protest. Zeb is there as well. 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.440 About a half hour later, Zeb walks up to Brian 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.240 Loma and his camera. Zeb's wearing a white construction style 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.600 hard hat and he has a respirator mask hanging around 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.680 his neck. He's angry that the jeep drove dangerously through 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.320 the crowd, and Zeb suggests that the jep's driver should 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.639 have been stopped earlier in at gunpoint. There should have 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.080 been people in the back with rifles to make sure 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.600 that God damn card and get up there it's all. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:18.159 At this point, then Zeb says something else. I believe 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:23.240 it is necessary to Armed resistance is necessary. That's where 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.680 Zeb's mind appears to be when he and Mickey first 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.639 start talking about guns and training. Armed resistance is necessary. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.960 So in August twenty twenty, Zeb invites Mickey to his apartment. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.880 He wants to talk about the future, how to inspire 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.679 more people to participate in the demonstrations, how to get 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.560 people stirred up, and how to prepare them for possible 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:53.040 conflicts with police officers outfitted like stormtroopers. Zeb explains to 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.119 Mickey that he believes the racial justice protests need to 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.840 show people that the American economic system is fundamentally unfair 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.880 to black people and other minorities, and in Zeb's view, 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.280 the pandemic has made the inequities worse. The whole nation 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:11.800 is a powder keg ready to explode. Denver's brutally cold 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.119 winter is a few months away. People will spend the 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.480 months indoors, quarantined by the pandemic and the freezing temperatures, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.159 and by the time spring arrives, Zeb predicts that violence 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.800 will break out all over. That's going to be the 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:30.720 turning point. This cold is Dark's claiming that there will 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:35.959 be suicide. Well, when it spring comes, they are angry. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.600 It's getting hot. People up when it's hot. So the 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.960 spring comes, get happen, and that's where you would step 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:51.800 into make ship off all. Mickey encourages Zeb's violence by then, 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.440 he says, you'd make shit pop off then, right, But 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.600 Zeb is weirdly all over the place talking about violence, yeah, 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.600 but unclear on his timeline, and seeming to talk in 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.439 a way that suggests he wants others to do the violence. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.720 People are already age chained, they're working to repress a 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.040 lot of them are going to be evicted, and over 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.080 the sports of time, we just piss them off more 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.600 and more and more. And as soon as summer comes 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.920 a spring, there's first few hot weeks, there's gonna be 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.200 so much fear and anger because look at these distractions. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.840 Aren't composedly going to come back on sports and concerts 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.280 and everything. They're not going to be back, right. That's 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:32.200 why we have to get them while we're to steal 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:36.080 them into awake right. Zeb explains to Mickey that he 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.919 thinks violence is the answer. The only way the system 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.119 will change is through force, but he believes that he 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.000 can inspire that violence through speeches and propaganda at public events. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:51.160 I think this propaganda change change. You know, be hearing 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.719 these speeches will actually have other speeders, but not even 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:55.879 just people are good at speaking. Someone like you. Just 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.320 tell the truth. You know what's going on, and over 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.359 is pre six to eight months, build a fury anger 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.480 and if it happens here and little fucking didn't, it'll 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.680 go a place because over that six to eight months 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.680 people will be angry or Mickey then pushes Zeb for 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:19.040 more specifics. How are things going to get violent? I 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.360 see your point of view, village down and kill the rich. 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:29.000 I understand that I kill your point of view. It's just, 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.480 you know, I don't know how you do. Zeb doesn't 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.440 have much of an answer. He talks about propaganda and 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.000 speeches and inspiring people to get so angry they'll turn 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:44.120 to violence. Then Zeb tells Mickey, I need your help 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.920 in doing this so obso, I need your help doing 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:50.720 this stuff, he says, and I also need to learn 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.399 how to fight. Mickey then explains that he's the exact 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.880 man for that job. He says again he's trained Antifa 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:02.200 fighters in Iraq and Syria. Hand, hand combat weapons, explosives, 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:06.240 guerrilla warfare. Zeb then tells Mickey that he also wants 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:10.080 to learn how to mentally manipulate people, and that's when 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.600 Mickey drifts into absurdity, and Zeb, so enamored with Mickey, 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:21.480 doesn't even notice my manipulation. My manipulation is that's something 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.639 you can't look school forward. You have to learn it. 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.480 And it's like a Jedi mind skill. It's like a 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.440 Jedi mind skill. That's what Mickey says, These aren't the 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.119 droids you're looking for, and then Mickey goes all obi 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.240 wan Kenobi on his young padawan. You have to basically 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:42.280 take the subject and make them agree with you. The 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:44.360 Jeds do in a way that makes them feel comfortable, 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.480 and you want it to be a smooth transition. You 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.840 don't want to be rough because of it's rough, it 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.359 breaks down in the fields, so you just want to 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.280 burger them into it. So Mickey not only fought ISIS 0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:02.119 fighters and train violent Antifa activists, he also performed Jedi 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.480 mind tricks. I was actually really good at it when 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.080 I was in a personal military I didn't do it 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.440 towards the court and towards terrorist members. I was terrogating 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:14.639 the shit of that, but that you can be shown 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.760 how to do. You just have to It's you have 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.679 to train yourself to do, you know what I mean. 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.359 Mickey then suggested Zeb that he could introduce him to 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.720 his guy, an outlaw biker and former Special Forces fighter. 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:29.720 Let me explain him. He's an old, fuck around type 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.520 of guy. He does not play fucking games. But if 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.680 you're wanting to learn how to blow shit up, drop 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.560 people and build the fucking numbers and do all that 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.760 shit that you want to do, he's the guy you 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:45.600 want to go to. I mean, I could teach you 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.200 all that shit. Absolutely, I got a teaching it too, 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:56.440 but that would be he would be your guy. Mickey 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:58.960 says this guy is overseas and he can't train that 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.400 right away, but Zeb says he doesn't want to wait 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:06.120 and would prefer for Mickey to train him. Mickey, though, 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.640 says there's one issue with training Zeb, and it has 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.640 to do with a supposed position as a Kurdish diplomat. 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:17.800 The thing you understand is is like, which Okay, let's 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:23.320 say this of Fish is a Kurdish I have weapons, 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:28.840