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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. It is not the earliest morning
Speaker 1: after seven am, Rushville, Nebraska, twenty sixteen. I think seven
Speaker 1: am after seven pretty late for a Lantern trainee to
Speaker 1: be waking up. But he's but John is is cozially asleep,
Speaker 1: tucked in in bed. Hal Jordan sneaks into the hotel
Speaker 1: room and dumps a bucket of water on his trainee.
Speaker 1: Get up. Time to learn to fly? How's instructions are
Speaker 1: extremely minimal. He gives John, He gives you the ring,
Speaker 1: says put it on and fly. That's it, Just fly.
Speaker 2: How as bad as a trade now, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: lie this episode.
Speaker 3: He's not doing great as a trader.
Speaker 1: It's easy for how to you know to say after
Speaker 1: one many years of wearing the ring, and two the
Speaker 1: fact that he's a pilot, so thank you, has that
Speaker 1: innate instinct for flight, which John does not have. Former
Speaker 1: marine in this telling apparently not no architecture back. But
Speaker 1: we're let's let's see, let's see. But John tries really hard,
Speaker 1: goes up on his stoopy toes and everything like he's
Speaker 1: masturbating in the shower.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's crazy that the toe the toe positions on the
Speaker 2: toes were cracking me up.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, he does not say flight. He
Speaker 1: instead conjures a small green bird like the Song of the
Speaker 1: Sparrow basically, which is not big, which is not not
Speaker 1: does not seem like a big deal until John takes
Speaker 1: off the ring because it's almost dead, very little charge
Speaker 1: left in it, hands it back to Hal, who powers
Speaker 1: it down and notices the bird does not disappear.
Speaker 2: Yes, very interesting is an implication of John's power.
Speaker 1: Very very interesting. Hal takes note of this, conceals his
Speaker 1: curiosity about.
Speaker 2: It, trying to act like he's not interested, but we're
Speaker 2: all watching him be like yes'm and replaced like and
Speaker 2: then he gives John a new task, which is take
Speaker 2: take this here airline ticket, fly in a window seat,
Speaker 2: probably coach back to Coast City, get my lantern from
Speaker 2: my house, and don't let this little bird die.
Speaker 1: That's your other. That's really your big task. Remain focused
Speaker 1: on the bird, and if you lose focus, the bird
Speaker 1: will disappear and you fail this task. Also feed a pet,
Speaker 1: which you will discover what it is. John goes off.
Speaker 1: Hal goes alone back to the bleachers where the quadruples
Speaker 1: shooting took place, and he notices the metal detectors all
Speaker 1: around the football field. He goes into town. He's like,
Speaker 1: where the fuck is everybody's streets are empty. He flies
Speaker 1: up completely dead in town. He flies up, sees all
Speaker 1: the cars parked by the meeting hall or whatever you
Speaker 1: know local like Knights of Columbus or whatever. His ring dies.
Speaker 1: He falls to the ground and he has to walk
Speaker 1: over to this meeting hall and when he gets inside
Speaker 1: he notices one more metal detectors and two that the
Speaker 1: conversation just stops. When he walks in, he says, hey,
Speaker 1: were you all talking about me? He notices Sheriff Macon
Speaker 1: up on the stage at the mic with the other
Speaker 1: luminaries of the town around her, and it really does
Speaker 1: seem like they were.
Speaker 3: Talking about him, yeah, definitely, or.
Speaker 1: Talking about something that they don't want him to know about.
Speaker 2: It was very like, you know the moment in American
Speaker 2: we welf in London where you walk in and everyone
Speaker 2: in the bar stops barring. It's like the I was
Speaker 2: giving that sure.
Speaker 1: Sheriff Macon is like, no, no, no, we were talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, there's been this very traumatic quadruple shooting, and
Speaker 1: we were talking about whether this week's football game should
Speaker 1: go forward. Very normal stuff. How goes in, he sits down,
Speaker 1: Billy Macon, his lawyer. Sheriff Macon's husband comes sits next
Speaker 1: to him and is like, hey, good good news. Chargers
Speaker 1: have been dropped. You don't have to pay me, and
Speaker 1: you can leave, like you should leave great weather, like
Speaker 1: you should, like you could yeah, like, and it really
Speaker 1: does seem like, you know, Billy would would like love
Speaker 1: him to leave. Over in Coast City, JS arrives at
Speaker 1: How's shockingly palatial mansion to find outside numerous rocks where
Speaker 1: a key could be its pile of there's like a
Speaker 1: hedge or like a what would you call it? Like
Speaker 1: a hedge.
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's it's almost sort of like a planta,
Speaker 2: but just full of rocks.
Speaker 1: Hello, there's a there's a long hedge that's like twenty
Speaker 1: yards long leading up to the front door, and all
Speaker 1: below that is rocks.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So he calls Hal to get the right rock and
Speaker 1: is like how much do you make? Like how much? Islanders?
Speaker 1: Like how? And All's like, no, the house is a gift.
Speaker 1: I saved the guy's kid and he was wealthy and
Speaker 1: he couldn't help. But he just gave me a house,
Speaker 1: and I'd let him give me a house.
Speaker 2: House says not enough, but it's like, maybe you could
Speaker 2: have sold this house.
Speaker 1: The house is like a millionaires of dollars. Could have
Speaker 1: made eighty million dollars selling the house, Like how did
Speaker 1: the chandeli is? You still would have to pay properly
Speaker 1: taxes right on the on the on the first of all,
Speaker 1: getting the house, he'd have to pay the taxes and
Speaker 1: then whatever. So he's making he's making good money. Inside,
Speaker 1: it's like Hal never really moved in, but he did
Speaker 1: put it up. The pictures of himself with like the
Speaker 1: Pope and all these other famous people. Hal is describing
Speaker 1: it to John like where the lantern is. Go to
Speaker 1: my closet. He's got this huge walking closet that's like
Speaker 1: the size of my house. And in there is the safe,
Speaker 1: and the safe is a pocket dimension and here's how
Speaker 1: you get into it.
Speaker 3: James loves the pocket dimension.
Speaker 1: Love a pocket It is really cool. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he gets the safe open. John reaches in eventually does
Speaker 1: get the lantern. Out, sees the green lantern suits and
Speaker 1: is like and clearly entranced by these suits, and he's like, hey, hell,
Speaker 1: do you need me to bring a suit, and How's like,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. John goes out to feed Earl,
Speaker 1: who is out in the greenhouse, which is this entire
Speaker 1: separate other house because my apology, Yeah, goes out there
Speaker 1: and and Earl turns out to be a carnivorous little
Speaker 1: horror style alien plant living on the property. While they
Speaker 1: are having this conversation, how is stealing bodies from this scene?
Speaker 3: This shows you, I think, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: I think it shows you how much jurisdiction the green
Speaker 2: Lains have and how this scene because like this is
Speaker 2: such a ridiculous scene. There's just like anyone else is
Speaker 2: getting arrested if they do this right.
Speaker 3: But Jon's like, fuck it, I can do I.
Speaker 1: Wan so how uh so? How steals these bodies from
Speaker 1: the morgue and puts them in the rental, takes them
Speaker 1: over to the football field where he discovers that these
Speaker 1: metal detectors are actually very very advanced alien detectives. Oh remember,
Speaker 1: there are multiple species of aliens that cannot be detected
Speaker 1: by any kind of known scientific means, so these are
Speaker 1: super super advanced tech.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Sheriff Macon pulls him over as he's driving around town
Speaker 1: with multiple dead alien bodies that look like humans.
Speaker 3: Are naked in the car.
Speaker 1: It looks very naked, naked and dead in the car,
Speaker 1: and they have a conversation about what's going on. How's like,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what you think it is. It's very
Speaker 1: clear that she knows a lot about what's going on
Speaker 1: in town. She knew about the alien detectors. She knows
Speaker 1: what her father in law is up to, but she
Speaker 1: won't say. She admits that he's very interested in aliens,
Speaker 1: which is not a crime, and she, like everybody else,
Speaker 1: would really like it if had left town. But she
Speaker 1: is like so I can do my job. You're actually
Speaker 1: like fucking up my job. Because the way she frames
Speaker 1: it is there is whatever her father in law is
Speaker 1: up to, it is a competing power center with her
Speaker 1: own authority in town, and how's continued presence in town
Speaker 1: is driving more people into the arms of her father
Speaker 1: in law, William Macon, and she would like that not
Speaker 1: to stop. But again she gives him very little information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's and he kind of basically he kind
Speaker 2: of you can tell one.
Speaker 3: There's like this flirtation between the two of.
Speaker 2: Them, there is, there is a little bit they see
Speaker 2: them very fun in the in the scene in the
Speaker 2: town hall when she says hey Darlin to her husband
Speaker 2: and hall ants is back as well, like they do
Speaker 2: a good job at it, but he plays on her
Speaker 2: morals hair and kind of goes, well, whose side are
Speaker 2: you on because it kind of sounds like maybe you're
Speaker 2: on your husband's father's side and that's why you don't
Speaker 2: want me, And she kind of goes, well, actually, like
Speaker 2: maybe we can work something out. So I think that
Speaker 2: they're building on a fun, fun, little play allyship between
Speaker 2: those two.
Speaker 1: The theme of cooking is very present in the first
Speaker 1: two episodes of the Lanterns program in which Helen is trainee,
Speaker 1: JS certainly do appear to be actively attempting to cook
Speaker 1: notable figures in the town anywhere.
Speaker 2: You know what, we respect that respect it if that's
Speaker 2: your thing. In Clone adults, that's actually you don't have
Speaker 2: to be unafraid. You just really have to be into
Speaker 2: cuckolding other people. That's how they picked.
Speaker 1: The Green Lantern. Anyway, she agrees to take how to
Speaker 1: William Macon's militia ranch, which he manages for some unknown guy. Too.
Speaker 1: We don't have to basically at the end of the
Speaker 1: episode to basically just like whatever, you can talk to
Speaker 1: William yourself and just ask it. They go over there.
Speaker 1: They go inside the gate by like two steps, which
Speaker 1: is more than Sheriff Making really wanted how to go.
Speaker 1: She wanted him to stay outside and like, address will
Speaker 1: you Making from outside the property. But he's William lant
Speaker 1: her to do it right. William Acan just turns out
Speaker 1: to be at that gate of what I imagine is
Speaker 1: like a many many miles long perimeter of the product.
Speaker 1: He kind of rides over in his horse. He's like,
Speaker 1: stay out of there, stay out of here. I can't
Speaker 1: answer your questions because of the NDA. I can't talk
Speaker 1: about who's funding the thing. Yes, my boss really exists,
Speaker 1: stay out, don't take any further steps into my property.
Speaker 1: That man in the in the guard post over there
Speaker 1: in his orders to shoot house, like you crazy? Are
Speaker 1: you gonna shoot me? The sheriffs like he can legally
Speaker 1: do that? He's like, yeah, but I got the ring.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? But the rings out of power?
Speaker 1: He's bluffing and then a shot rings out? And how
Speaker 1: gets shot?
Speaker 2: Which, first of all, he was really pushing it like
Speaker 2: he was basically like, how can I get shot?
Speaker 3: Second of all, we have to answer ask this question here.
Speaker 2: The implication of I don't think it's unconnected that they
Speaker 2: introduce a pocket dimension in this episode, and then they
Speaker 2: also introduce high tech alien kind of technology that shouldn't
Speaker 2: exist in America.
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety six is lex.
Speaker 2: Luc No way, it's two thousand six, Oh too, sorry,
Speaker 2: sorry sorry twenty sixteen. I got my three timelines mixed
Speaker 2: up bevid in twenty sixteen it shouldn't exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are we saying?
Speaker 2: I think it's safe to say that they want us
Speaker 2: to at least think that Lex Luthor is the boss
Speaker 2: of this it's I think that is at.
Speaker 3: Least the implication will have.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of questions at the end
Speaker 2: of this episode that we can have some fun theorizing on,
Speaker 2: and that's one of them. But I think the note
Speaker 2: of the high tech alien, you know, finders and the
Speaker 2: pocket dimension, if we think about Superman, I think they're
Speaker 2: wanting us to make those connections. I think it's also
Speaker 2: a red herring. Probably looking at this show.
Speaker 1: I do think it's a red herring as well. I
Speaker 1: think they're going in a very straightforward direction based on
Speaker 1: what is revealed later. But I do agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think like they want the fans to feel that way.
Speaker 1: For a general non comics reading audience, I think they're
Speaker 1: meant to wonder if this is Lex exactly. For the
Speaker 1: people who have read comics and Green Lantern comics in particular,
Speaker 1: and or or have some familiarity with the lore, I
Speaker 1: think what this is probably seems pretty obvious to the
Speaker 1: point that I wonder if that's even around.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm trying to work out too. But we'll
Speaker 3: talk about that more.
Speaker 1: We will talk about that, Martin anyway, So while that
Speaker 1: was happening in Nebraska, John is getting kidnapped. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: he gets tased immediately after leaving house house, wakes up
Speaker 1: in a van with a bag over his head. They
Speaker 1: take the bag off. He's talking to one of the
Speaker 1: guys like, where's my bird? He's like, your bird is fine?
Speaker 3: Can I just the guys out and still alive?
Speaker 2: So just think about what that means to his willpower, intensity,
Speaker 2: for his connection to the lantern and to this is
Speaker 2: the truth about John Stewart's powers in the comics. He
Speaker 2: doesn't always need the ring. So let's just say that
Speaker 2: they are leaning in to that here. Also want to
Speaker 2: say great action scene. This for me is the best
Speaker 2: one we've had so far in my action scene.
Speaker 1: And I will say this episode I was maybe I
Speaker 1: was I had put some doubts upon the emotional bandwidth
Speaker 1: of mister Pierre as an actor. I think he's great
Speaker 1: in the sense he's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I would also say the bird is like such a
Speaker 2: good aspect to bring because we know he's vegan, we
Speaker 2: know he cares about animals, We get the kind of
Speaker 2: connection with him and Earl. It really adds a different
Speaker 2: layer to what we got last week, which was kind
Speaker 2: of this stoic, militarized kind of just he's he's the
Speaker 2: good one. He knows what he's doing, and John and
Speaker 2: Hal is kind of the silly like older guy who's.
Speaker 3: A little bit off rogue.
Speaker 2: The RMPS stuff in this is so good. And also
Speaker 2: I just want to shout out the writer specifically, because
Speaker 2: I don't know when I've ever seen such a fun
Speaker 2: just like somebody running down the highway action scene, Like
Speaker 2: it feels like a movie.
Speaker 3: When you're watching it, You're like, I want to watch
Speaker 3: this ship.
Speaker 1: He's a he was a track athlete. No, so I
Speaker 1: think that, like he's.
Speaker 2: Just he just looks good as hell.
Speaker 3: He's running down that highway and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, well, we've skipped ahead. So he does. He finds
Speaker 1: out that the bird is fine fine. He ends up
Speaker 1: fighting one of his captors, escapes from the van, goes
Speaker 1: running beautifully beautiful powerful strides as he goes running down
Speaker 1: the highway with the lantern in his weekend or bag
Speaker 1: slung across his back, but the attackers when they get
Speaker 1: him back, he wakes up again in an abandoned building
Speaker 1: and a man sitting across room who's kind of who's
Speaker 1: you know, apologetic about what's happening, like sorry for the violence.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the bird. How is how Jordan keeping
Speaker 1: the bird like alive and existing despite the fact that
Speaker 1: he's so far away, And John is like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: doing that, and and the guy is like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: that's fucking I thought if John was doing that from
Speaker 1: miles away, that would be impressive, but actually this is like,
Speaker 1: really really impressive. He discovered. He introduces himself as an
Speaker 1: alien named Anton. He says, we're all aliens. We don't
Speaker 1: want to kill you, we want to recruit you because
Speaker 1: of this manhunter issue we're having. Do you know anything
Speaker 1: about manhunters? Like, I've never what's a man hunters? So
Speaker 1: really you don't. You're agree you don't know anything, and
Speaker 1: they're and he's like, no, I've never heard of manhunters.
Speaker 1: It's like holy shit. Okay, well, we're gonna give you
Speaker 1: the lore about manhunters and we're gonna upload it directly
Speaker 1: into your mind. And it's very, very troubling. It is.
Speaker 2: I also want to tell you if it seems fabilia
Speaker 2: to you like it's from the Turtles, it's because the
Speaker 2: Manhunters were created by Jack Cubby, who also created the Tunnels,
Speaker 2: and it's exactly the same story.
Speaker 3: I love you guys.
Speaker 1: So the law is this before the before the Core
Speaker 1: was created. The Guardians, in a time of total chaos,
Speaker 1: needed a police force, so they created the Manhunters. This
Speaker 1: is pre Core, and they were these synthetic kind of robots.
Speaker 2: In this that kind of like synthetic being. Do you
Speaker 2: know we could they kind of more very high tech
Speaker 2: robots if they are, but they are like Manhunters, their
Speaker 2: shape shifters. Yes, they can pauses any species undetected.
Speaker 1: They can build weapons beyond anything that the occupied world
Speaker 1: the worlds that they occupied could produce. They wiped out civilizations,
Speaker 1: including ant Huon's civilization, which you know, like is a
Speaker 1: horrible experience, and this is what they want to share
Speaker 1: with John, So they put the memories of the destruction
Speaker 1: of this civilization into John. Also, Aton and the other
Speaker 1: aliens their homeworld like really trusted the Guardians. So this
Speaker 1: like this destruction by the creation of the Guardians was
Speaker 1: an immense, immense, immense betrayal. It's clear that the experience
Speaker 1: of these traumatic memories is very, very painful for John.
Speaker 1: He screams, but the bird stays existing, stays.
Speaker 2: Flying even when he's being traumatized and terrorized and being
Speaker 2: like literally fed generational trauma. Like it shows how innate
Speaker 2: that the powers are. To John, I also want to
Speaker 2: say this is very interesting because I was thinking a
Speaker 2: lot about your theory from the pilot about the corruption
Speaker 2: of the Guardians. I do think that there is that
Speaker 2: layer to it. But I also think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: this kind of like I think we're gonna get introduced
Speaker 2: to like two sides of the Guardian mentality, well, like
Speaker 2: the conflict between the Guardians and kind of how they
Speaker 2: think you should play the universe.
Speaker 1: We will talk about this more because I do have
Speaker 1: I have amended my theory slightly, although I still believe that.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's just why yeah, and yes,
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: So Anton is like, hey, that was terrible, right now
Speaker 1: you understand why we have to do what we were
Speaker 1: going to do. We have to find this man Hunter
Speaker 1: and kill it and you know, get justice for our people,
Speaker 1: but also like make the galaxy safe because it's a
Speaker 1: very very dangerous being and we can't get into the
Speaker 1: town undetected because of the technology that they have, but
Speaker 1: you can so you go in there, call us on
Speaker 1: this burner phone, and then we will go in there
Speaker 1: and kill it. And if you don't do that, we
Speaker 1: will all go there and just detonate our suicide vests.
Speaker 1: And sadly that will destroy like the town and probably
Speaker 1: much of the state of Nebraska. But like, that's what
Speaker 1: we need to do.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: You have four for eight hours, or we will just
Speaker 1: just blow up half the state. Okay, let's go to
Speaker 1: a break and we'll be right back to finish out
Speaker 1: the recount. We're back. Hal wakes up in the hospital
Speaker 1: to find Sheriff Carrie making making Google eyes our Yeah,
Speaker 1: big big old Google eyes, and she says, hey, who's Sinestra?
Speaker 1: You were talking about him and you're sleep.
Speaker 3: Oh well you.
Speaker 1: Hal is extremely concerned about this, especially the fact that
Speaker 1: he's been like talking in his sleep about apparently like
Speaker 1: very very sensitive guardian stuff. But she's like, no, don't worry. Well,
Speaker 1: I googled Sinester and I learned.
Speaker 2: Some stuff about Also, like the internet was just loving
Speaker 2: this movement.
Speaker 3: They're like, imagine if you could just like google s.
Speaker 2: And fictional like it was just like law and I
Speaker 2: also did love like I gotta I want to know
Speaker 2: if there's some tiny, whimy, weird shit going on or something.
Speaker 2: I just love the way that like Hal just doesn't
Speaker 2: really seems he knows he's famous, but he's also always
Speaker 2: like ten years behind everyone else in that kind of
Speaker 2: knowledge base.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's good.
Speaker 2: And obviously, like I do respect the writers for being like,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna put Kyle Chandler in a football stadium
Speaker 2: every day.
Speaker 1: I get it. I love it. So she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I google him. He is a former lantern. He led
Speaker 1: a coup, he tried to take over the Guardians, he
Speaker 1: killed some lanterns, and you brought him down and put
Speaker 1: him in jail. She then says, listen, you're fucking me
Speaker 1: up being here in town messing with William macan, getting
Speaker 1: involved in the whole thing. She makes it seem like, listen,
Speaker 1: I am dealing with it. I understand, and we're on
Speaker 1: the same side in that I understand that there's some
Speaker 1: complex issue use visa vi aliens and it's really weird.
Speaker 1: But you don't know what's going on. I know what's
Speaker 1: going on. Let me deal with it, Okay. They walk
Speaker 1: out of the hospital. Hal notices one else there's nobody
Speaker 1: else in the hospital, and all of the brand new
Speaker 1: equipment is like still bagged up.
Speaker 2: Not even as and it's expensive. And this is why
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, I think this episode is really
Speaker 2: really fun for theory hounds because you can come out
Speaker 2: of this with like ten different reads on what the
Speaker 2: town is. And we're definitely gonna talk about that. But
Speaker 2: it's another fun thing we got to talk about.
Speaker 3: Jason.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I should add that among the many things
Speaker 1: that Hal is messing up, Sheriff Macon tells him is
Speaker 1: she's kind of like messing up her marriage. Like you're
Speaker 1: getting you're putting some waves under the boat of our marriage.
Speaker 1: And this gets how like sits up and is like
Speaker 1: trouble in your man?
Speaker 3: Am I He's good?
Speaker 2: I love cook holding He's like, yeah, like my whole thing, guys,
Speaker 2: me and my tradee we just really love ticking other
Speaker 2: people's wife.
Speaker 1: We want to cook anyway. He asks her finally, is
Speaker 1: like where are you from? And she's like, oh, it
Speaker 1: took you this long to like start taking an interest
Speaker 1: to me a question. So there is some there is
Speaker 1: a little bit of two way chemistry here for sure.
Speaker 1: It turns out she's from Gotham and she kind of
Speaker 1: moved here on a whim. John gets back into town,
Speaker 1: stops in at the diner to refuel, and who should
Speaker 1: he see but uh, wife of the cooked William macon
Speaker 1: Zoe sitting at the bar of the diner. She's like,
Speaker 1: don't earn a small town it happens. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have cooked. I wouldn't have done any cooking
Speaker 1: had I known that there was a husband to cook.
Speaker 1: But you know, absolutely untrue. When this man literally immediately.
Speaker 3: Went to Halla, was like, shit, I fucked his wife.
Speaker 1: Like he wants people to know, don't lie.
Speaker 3: You're not a shamed She.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem all that troubled by it. Honestly, they talk
Speaker 1: about their husband, they talk about and this is I
Speaker 1: think a really well written this interaction that really makes
Speaker 1: me think this show has like some sort of some juice.
Speaker 1: She is like, you know, white guys they don't they
Speaker 1: they don't notice things really because they come to life
Speaker 1: with this privilege that you know, outsiders or people of
Speaker 1: color don't have. By the way, how's your white man doing?
Speaker 1: And and John is like, well, he sent me to
Speaker 1: California to pick up his clothes. Yeah, exactly, like hello, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's great, such good. John arrives back at the hotel.
Speaker 1: Hal is in his little sling, sitting in the parking
Speaker 1: lot in a little launch air. John throws the lantern
Speaker 1: bag at him and is like, fuck you, and he's
Speaker 1: brought the uniform, which Hal didn't ask him to bring,
Speaker 1: but it's there. How charges the lantern up with a
Speaker 1: quick recitation of the oath, almost like he doesn't even.
Speaker 2: Really he does not want to say it. He's kind
Speaker 2: of blah blah blaring his way through the oarth.
Speaker 1: Charges it up. They then argue John's like, why didn't
Speaker 1: you Why weren't you impressed by the bird? Why don't
Speaker 1: you say anything about the bird? By the way, I
Speaker 1: know now that the bird is a big, fucking.
Speaker 3: Fucking cool bit.
Speaker 1: You didn't say anything about how you know how cool
Speaker 1: a bird was. I was like, yeah, the bird was cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, likes you gotta say my job.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: Then John tells him everything that he wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: tell him, that Anton told him that manhunters, the memories,
Speaker 1: the forty eight hours, the destroyed civilization. Hal is kind
Speaker 1: of blown away. He's like barely able to. He's like,
Speaker 1: what the hide? How fucking shook he is by all this?
Speaker 1: Forty eight hours? He's like, yeah, forty eight hours. John
Speaker 1: is like, are you gonna tell me what's going on?
Speaker 1: How's like no, but they kind of like work out
Speaker 1: the rest the Guardians would not have hidden a Manhunter
Speaker 1: on Earth, so something else is going on here. Hal
Speaker 1: is like, go to sleep, we'll talk about this later.
Speaker 1: And then when John goes into his hotel room, Hal
Speaker 1: like sneaks back out with the suit on, flies up
Speaker 1: to OA.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, because because he kind of we're like,
Speaker 2: how kind of we kind of.
Speaker 3: Realized, like aben sa who's the one who gave How
Speaker 3: the ring?
Speaker 2: He obviously came here with the fucking man hunt and
Speaker 2: so then now directly connecting this mystery to How's origin,
Speaker 2: which I do think is a really cool, interesting twist.
Speaker 2: And he flies off the OA and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: he must be going to see the Guardians.
Speaker 3: No, uh no, oh bitch, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: He walks straight to the Science sells to go talk
Speaker 1: to Sinestra. Sinestro is just kind of sitting there and
Speaker 1: How's like, what's going on with Manhunters? What do you
Speaker 1: know about manhunters? And Sneestra's like, well, if a manhunter
Speaker 1: did exist, it would only be the second greatest threat
Speaker 1: that you're facing. Tell me about John Stewart bomb.
Speaker 2: Because Sinestra is obviously gonna be his like Hannibalack thought
Speaker 2: it's gonna be that like kind.
Speaker 1: Of let's take a break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the episode and we're back. Okay. You
Speaker 1: were saying that Sinestro is like Hal's Hannibal Lecter, and
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're doing that.
Speaker 2: I think that also, I really like this idea of
Speaker 2: the hat uh John as a threat to how because
Speaker 2: this is clearly a show about like legacy and moving
Speaker 2: on and finding your place in this like messed up
Speaker 2: cosmic world. And it's very clear that Hell does not
Speaker 2: want to give up the ring for whatever reason, and
Speaker 2: I think that Sinestro is clearly going to be playing
Speaker 2: on that in a way that's going to try and
Speaker 2: create conflict.
Speaker 3: But I also think.
Speaker 2: We got great moments this episode of hallan John's closeness,
Speaker 2: like the conversation about the bird really shows kind of
Speaker 2: their chemistry. So I don't think Sinestro is going to
Speaker 2: be able to do that. But interestingly, I actually like
Speaker 2: came away from this episode with more questions, like I
Speaker 2: love Sinestro and I think that's obviously a huge reveal.
Speaker 2: But Jason, who's your biggest pick for like who the
Speaker 2: Manhunter is? Because I think that's the biggest Like is
Speaker 2: it someone we've already seen? Is it one of the
Speaker 2: cut Why is it one of the wives?
Speaker 1: Like who is it?
Speaker 3: I mean, who's your I think we most likely to
Speaker 3: be matter.
Speaker 2: Sheriff Macon, Sheriff Macon, Zoey Definitely, Zoe's my number one
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: I'm then those two are the top leaders in the clubhouse. Now.
Speaker 1: So what I think is here's what I think is going.
Speaker 1: I think one that it's not it's obviously not known
Speaker 1: in this version of the DCU that the Guardians maybe
Speaker 1: had a Manhunter project that they I don't think it's
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I think that's probably some version
Speaker 1: of Guardians classified, like that's exact thing that people understand,
Speaker 1: And I think how must be worried that there are
Speaker 1: still factions within the Guardians who are involved with this
Speaker 1: and are doing something with it. Secondarily, I think the
Speaker 1: manhunter is the person who owns the land, Okay, William
Speaker 1: and who Will make In is working for. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think will is not super bothered about his
Speaker 1: wife stepping out, because I think his wife is actually
Speaker 1: the boss.
Speaker 2: That would actually be so sick. I really like that.
Speaker 2: I do think you're right. I think it could be
Speaker 2: a little bit too much what it seems like after
Speaker 2: the first After this episode, it's a little bit like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be that makes so much sense.
Speaker 3: I also wonder so that all.
Speaker 2: The alien tech, the alien detection and stuff. I also
Speaker 2: wonder if there's like an inverse version of it where
Speaker 2: there's actually tons of aliens working there, living there, and
Speaker 2: this is them trying to make sure that aliens they
Speaker 2: don't know get in.
Speaker 1: So there's like a.
Speaker 2: Segment of the town that is alien, and then there's
Speaker 2: the segment that is allegedly anti alien. I just feel
Speaker 2: like there's more going on in the town than we know.
Speaker 2: Like the hospital was essentially looked like a film set, right.
Speaker 2: It looked like a brand new hospital that no one
Speaker 2: had used. So it's like, who's building the town, what's
Speaker 2: the purpose of the town, how many people live in
Speaker 2: the town, how used is the town like, is the
Speaker 2: town affront for something else. I think that two episodes
Speaker 2: in they're really starting to broaden out the mystery in
Speaker 2: an interesting way and moving it away from a classical
Speaker 2: just like, Oh, someone else got murdered, it's another murder mystery.
Speaker 3: I think it's actually a really smart.
Speaker 2: Move because while I do love a classical murder mystery,
Speaker 2: the first episode that was not the aspect that hooked me.
Speaker 2: So I think moving more into this kind of green
Speaker 2: lantern space is definitely a really.
Speaker 3: Cool way to go.
Speaker 2: I'm also interested because the Manhunter's stuff could definitely tie
Speaker 2: into Superman, Lex Luthor, all that kind of futuristic stuff.
Speaker 2: We know right now that John Stewart is gonna be
Speaker 2: in Man of Tomorrow, we know how Jordan is gonna
Speaker 2: be in Man of Tomorrow. Allegedly we're gonna also see
Speaker 2: Blue Beetle in Man of Tomorrow. So I do feel
Speaker 2: like this is finally giving us a little bit of
Speaker 2: that connective tissue that we've.
Speaker 3: Been asking for. All the potential of it.
Speaker 1: What the potential the potential of it?
Speaker 3: What do you really want to see in an episode three?
Speaker 3: I think I still want.
Speaker 2: To see more John I need to see more John.
Speaker 2: I think I love the teases we got here, but
Speaker 2: I need to know about him and his dad. I
Speaker 2: keep going back to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to know more about it. Really
Speaker 1: does appear that they've changed kind of classic John backstory
Speaker 1: and and I've done more of the I forget which
Speaker 1: animated series I think invented.
Speaker 2: Probably Justice League or Justice League Unlimited, and so it
Speaker 2: was there was Jeff John's who did the He the Man?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I really like to know more about which
Speaker 1: you know it like the backstory of John similarly, and
Speaker 1: what it is because in the comics it's like he's
Speaker 1: an architect, so he's able to create these you know,
Speaker 1: conjure thinks from the Ring that are much more deep
Speaker 1: and intricate and alive than yeah, anyone else could have done.
Speaker 2: It's like when they made Kyle Rayner was a cartoonist, right,
Speaker 2: he was an artist, so he had a bit more
Speaker 2: of that flare. But with John the it's these real
Speaker 2: beautiful Yeah, and that could explain as well, even though
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily. I think they're leaning in here to
Speaker 2: his veganism, his connection to the natural world, which I love,
Speaker 2: So maybe his understanding of like animals and birds and
Speaker 2: living things. That's why it was so easy for him
Speaker 2: to conjure the bird and keep it alive. And also
Speaker 2: in Justice League Unlimited, in the cartoons, in the shirt,
Speaker 2: in the comics, there are versions of John who doesn't
Speaker 2: have to wear the ring. He has the glowing green
Speaker 2: eyes he manifests from the he doesn't even really need
Speaker 2: the battery because he's so connected to OA, So I.
Speaker 3: Think we could be leaning into that.
Speaker 2: I also think that we're definitely gonna see Sinestro playing
Speaker 2: on this idea of how having like John being his
Speaker 2: replacement rather than like his trainee, you know. And I
Speaker 2: think that, well, I want to know more about how
Speaker 2: what happened to him? Why does he not want to
Speaker 2: be a green lantern anymore? Like I'm starting to care
Speaker 2: about why he's upset, And.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that we're going to discover that Sinestro,
Speaker 1: for whatever Sinestro did, he did it because this is
Speaker 1: the way he's going to frame it. Right. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is right, but this is the way
Speaker 1: he's going to frame it to how he tried to
Speaker 1: take over the Guardian Corps because of this conspiracy that exists. Yes,
Speaker 1: has something, and I'm the wrong guy. I've been in prison. Yes,
Speaker 1: you took me down and imprisoned me, but you know
Speaker 1: I'm right, And you've been having these doubts for ten
Speaker 1: years now about actually imprison the right guy. And actually
Speaker 1: this is all tied up in because uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the Manhunters did two things in the comics that are
Speaker 1: interesting to me. One, they like trained local species to
Speaker 1: be like their servants and like be like in a
Speaker 1: like an occult around them.
Speaker 3: Doesn't that sound like? Sounds like.
Speaker 1: Sounds like what's happening? Right? And Two they were very
Speaker 1: interested in and against programs to like evolve races into
Speaker 1: like you know, higher forms and weapons to create basically
Speaker 1: superhero like Guardian programs or other alien programs to create
Speaker 1: like super beings. Very interesting and so which leads me
Speaker 1: to wonder if John is the result of one of
Speaker 1: these secret and Sinestro knew about it, and that's why
Speaker 1: Sinestro knows who John Stewart is. And so I want
Speaker 1: to see how the Guardians contact John like we don't.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I need to know why John's dad knew who they were.
Speaker 2: I need to know why John knew who they were,
Speaker 2: and I need to know if the connection is John,
Speaker 2: if it's his.
Speaker 3: Dad, I need.
Speaker 2: I'm so interested in that, and I think that I
Speaker 2: feel like this was a really fun, crazy, action packed episode,
Speaker 2: and I would love like a bottle episode that kind
Speaker 2: of gives us more of that law, especially because right
Speaker 2: now I don't there's nothing I instantly need solved in
Speaker 2: the town like that can continue to slow burn, but
Speaker 2: we need to, probably, he says, tell me about John Stewart,
Speaker 2: So that would be a great opening here to have
Speaker 2: a John Stewart backstory.
Speaker 3: Jason, how do you feel I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I did assume because of my beloved show that I
Speaker 2: thank you to the people who are happy I shouted
Speaker 2: this one out last episode Cruel Summer, the incredible freeform show.
Speaker 2: The way that worked was every single episode was the
Speaker 2: same day over three timelines.
Speaker 3: Really fun.
Speaker 2: I last episode we got the three different timelines to establish.
Speaker 2: Did you expect that every episode it would be a
Speaker 2: different Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I thought we would be jumping. So I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see why we end up next with the timeline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to. This is the next thing I
Speaker 1: did want to talk about because I do think I
Speaker 1: think it's clear. What's the way they're going to do
Speaker 1: this show. Is everything's going to happen in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: the past. We're going to get to what happens with
Speaker 1: Hallan and Sheriff Macon. We're going to understand like the
Speaker 1: kind of struggle between to find out like what the
Speaker 1: mystery of the town is. But they're I think they're
Speaker 1: ultimately not going to fully satisfy whatever their the mystery is.
Speaker 1: They're not going to truly figure it out. And that's
Speaker 1: I think some somewhere around probably episode how many or
Speaker 1: ten episodes in this eight I think ten eight Somewhere
Speaker 1: around episode six, we're going to go to the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six timeline.
Speaker 3: I think that's right.
Speaker 2: And then I'm interested to see if maybe on nineteen,
Speaker 2: if we get the nineteen ninety six flashback again, it
Speaker 2: will be back in that John timeline.
Speaker 3: Yes, maybe John, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'm interested, Yeah, so, okay, I'm interested to see.
Speaker 2: I would love to know where that goes next, because yeah,
Speaker 2: I think obviously the end of the pilot, it was
Speaker 2: such a big shocking twist, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people were really excited to just dive into John
Speaker 2: solving that mystery.
Speaker 3: So I'm interested. But I think this is a fun.
Speaker 2: Expansion of what to expect from the sci fi aspects.
Speaker 2: And we do get that suiting up scene and the
Speaker 2: flying scene, so they're kind of leaning a little bit
Speaker 2: more into that.
Speaker 1: Here's my other question, now that I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, like, why doesn't the town react more
Speaker 1: the way they're acting towards Hal. It makes sense he's
Speaker 1: got to ring and everything, But why isn't the Manhunter
Speaker 1: worried about John? Does it not know about John? But
Speaker 1: now that I'm thinking, if if Zoe is the Manhunter,
Speaker 1: that's why she fucked Johns exactly. It's like she's learning, Yes,
Speaker 1: she wanted to check him out, like intimately check him out,
Speaker 1: and so she is in fact doing that.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I do kind of like your read
Speaker 3: on that too.
Speaker 2: Where and also, if we think about James Gunn, we
Speaker 2: think about the stories he's told on the TV shows
Speaker 2: for whatever, you know, we are people who love this stuff.
Speaker 3: We talk about it in a popular way, in a
Speaker 3: critical way.
Speaker 2: One thing we've celebrated throughout all of his DC work
Speaker 2: has been this kind of subversion and trying to tell
Speaker 2: stories that seem like they're making a statement, even if
Speaker 2: he's not someone who's going out saying this is what
Speaker 2: I'm doing.
Speaker 3: You can read it in the story.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Peacemaker had the town that Ian beloved ex super
Speaker 2: producer Ian clocked very early on was all white, and
Speaker 2: you got this really great reveal that it was this
Speaker 2: kind of neo Nazi Earth X. And then I think
Speaker 2: here there is a version where if Zoe is really
Speaker 2: the boss and she basically in charge of this white
Speaker 2: militia mansion, you get another very interesting James Gunn kind
Speaker 2: of context there. And then again obviously there is this
Speaker 2: cuckolding aspect like which is very James gun but very
Speaker 2: very interesting to imagine where that could possibly go. I'm
Speaker 2: also interested in them bringing in the Manhunters at all, yes,
Speaker 2: because I do feel like they have to be going
Speaker 2: somewhere quite big with it. So this really feels like
Speaker 2: as an HBO program that it could be.
Speaker 3: The one that really leads into Superman. In my opinion, if.
Speaker 1: If we are right and that the Lex thing is
Speaker 1: a fake out and this really is like a Manhunter cult,
Speaker 1: that's who's behind this. That's funding it somehow. How does
Speaker 1: this connect to the wider dc U that we've had
Speaker 1: established thus far.
Speaker 2: I think that it would be that they would still
Speaker 2: have connection and be financially supported to by Lex because
Speaker 2: Lex is the number one anti alien kind of person
Speaker 2: within the universe. So I think the fact they have
Speaker 2: the pocket Dimension technology, I think the fact that it
Speaker 2: is this alleged anti alien movement.
Speaker 3: I think it would be quite easy for them to
Speaker 3: kind of do that.
Speaker 2: Or on much more simple level is if the Manhunters
Speaker 2: are established as being here, they could just become an
Speaker 2: antagonist for Superman, because once you know, Superman is like
Speaker 2: out publicly and doing all this stuff, they it might
Speaker 2: start impacting the other aliens, you know, this kind of
Speaker 2: heightened amount of superpowered beings or aliens. Also, if they
Speaker 2: wanted to set up a kind of anti meta meta
Speaker 2: human movement, which they did in the CW and obviously
Speaker 2: has been done throughout the comics, the Manhunters could be
Speaker 2: kind of a leading charge of that if they felt
Speaker 2: like certain people were getting their powers from you know,
Speaker 2: alien technologies.
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