Speaker 1: M Hey everyone, it's your old pal Josh. And for
Speaker 1: this week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen how
Speaker 1: electro convulsive therapy works. Uh. This one was an eye
Speaker 1: opening episode. It came out in May of two thousand thirteen,
Speaker 1: and prior to this I always thought it was just
Speaker 1: kind of a barbaric treatment that was used to keep
Speaker 1: patients quiet, when actually, in reality, it's an effective therapy
Speaker 1: that is still in use today. Like I said, I opening.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it. Welcome to Stuff you Should
Speaker 1: Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, welcome to
Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant,
Speaker 1: which means it's time for Stuff you Should Know. Indeed
Speaker 1: shocking edition. See I take the rap for a bad pun,
Speaker 1: but you in fact said that before we recorded. I
Speaker 1: know I before we recorded. I have a public image.
Speaker 1: I have to carefully got um Chuck. Yes, have you
Speaker 1: ever seen or read or both One flu Over the
Speaker 1: Cuckoo's Nest? Yes? Both? Oh? Yeah? Did you like the
Speaker 1: book more than the movie or vice versa? Both? The
Speaker 1: book was great. I've seen the movie a dozen times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of my faiths it is a great movie. I
Speaker 1: haven't read the book, although I was a Kinksi fan.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a cool dude. Yeah, I've read
Speaker 1: a few. It is. Um. What else did he write?
Speaker 1: He did the Well, actually he didn't write. That was
Speaker 1: Tom Wolfe that wrote the Electrical light Estra. But Kesi
Speaker 1: was figured prominently obviously. Oh yeah, he was the main
Speaker 1: KESI wrote the crap. I'll come back to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: he wrote the what was it the book? Well, if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen or read one flu Over the Cuckoo's Nest,
Speaker 1: you totally should. It is, like Chuck was saying, one
Speaker 1: of the best movies of all time. It is a
Speaker 1: great book, apparently. And Um. One of the things that
Speaker 1: factors into it setting in insane asylum in the fifties
Speaker 1: I would say maybe sixties. Um. And one of the
Speaker 1: I guess almost a character in this um movie or
Speaker 1: book is electro convulsive therapy, which the staff uses to
Speaker 1: basically keep the patients in check. Um. Just the very
Speaker 1: threat of getting electro convulsive therapy shock treatment, a type
Speaker 1: of shock treatment, we should say, is enough to just
Speaker 1: keep everybody very docile and calm and settle down when
Speaker 1: they started to get riled up. You can just ask
Speaker 1: them do you want some shock treatment? They're like no, No,
Speaker 1: everything's good, Everything's fine. And apparently because of that and
Speaker 1: Keisi worked as an orderly in a mental institution in Oregon,
Speaker 1: so he saw his firsthand when he wrote it. Um,
Speaker 1: because of that, E. C. T. Got a pretty bad
Speaker 1: rap over the course of a couple of decades, the
Speaker 1: point where it's basically forced almost out of existence. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't just key easy um making this stuff up
Speaker 1: like he said, he was a he was a disorderly,
Speaker 1: like like the fat boys. Um. But there was also
Speaker 1: a study in NY the National Institutes of Health that
Speaker 1: found like that was pretty common practice among antal institutions
Speaker 1: at the time because it was drug free. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just using electrical shock and it wasn't a lobotomy,
Speaker 1: right and um it was the effects were temporary and
Speaker 1: apparently it worked to keep everybody in line. But that's
Speaker 1: a gross abuse of this pretty effective therapy for mental illness, yeah,
Speaker 1: for severe depression. And these days it is approved by
Speaker 1: the National Institute of Mental Health, the a p A,
Speaker 1: the a m A, and the U. S. Surgeon General,
Speaker 1: and they all say that if used properly e c
Speaker 1: T these days, and you know, tweaked diversion of what
Speaker 1: they did back then is can be very beneficial. And
Speaker 1: Kitty Dukakus, wife of Michael du Caucus, former presidential nominee
Speaker 1: until he wrote in a tank, uh, wrote a book
Speaker 1: because she had it and it's called Shock, The Healing
Speaker 1: Powers of Electro Convulsive Therapy, and um, it helped her out.
Speaker 1: And I've read excerpts and reviews and stuff, and she
Speaker 1: doesn't like champion it for everyone or anything, but gives
Speaker 1: a lot of great history and then says how it
Speaker 1: has helped her in her journey right through depression. Apparently
Speaker 1: also helped Dick cabin Oh yeah, yeah, it did not
Speaker 1: help so much. Um, Sylvia Platha in a steeming Way right, Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's been it's been used on a decent
Speaker 1: amount of people. Apparently about a hundred thousand Americans a
Speaker 1: year undergo electro convulsive therapy. Six under who who got
Speaker 1: George the James cam Yeah yeah that's right. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we've already spoiled that show, so we might we should
Speaker 1: just like do dramatic readings from scripts. Uh yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: so we we should also say before we go forward,
Speaker 1: It's very easy to call it electro shock therapy. It's
Speaker 1: kind of right. Electro Convulsive therapy is a type of
Speaker 1: shock therapy and shock therapies. The aim is to shock
Speaker 1: your system into having a convulsion, because as far back
Speaker 1: as Hyppocrates, it was noticed that people who have mental
Speaker 1: illnesses who experienced convulsions tended to feel a little better
Speaker 1: after the after they experienced their seizures. Yeah, so what
Speaker 1: you're trying to do with any kind of shock treatment
Speaker 1: is induced a seizure and a convulsion because no one
Speaker 1: knows why still to this day, but it does something
Speaker 1: to your brain and can cure, whether temporarily or permanently,
Speaker 1: um mental illness. Yeah. I wonder how this I never
Speaker 1: I didn't think about until just now. I wonder how
Speaker 1: it ties in with like a temper tantrum, like a
Speaker 1: kid feeling better afterward or more settled afterward, or an
Speaker 1: adult that just loses it, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I think everyone's truly lost it before in some emotional way,
Speaker 1: and then afterwards you're like, boy, may feel like more
Speaker 1: relaxed now, right, like resetting after like a catharsis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you it's sort of similar pathways in the brain, right,
Speaker 1: except this is with electricity exactly. So, um, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the history of shock therapies and electro convulsive therapy
Speaker 1: or e c T. That's easier to say. So. One
Speaker 1: thing that they did in the twentieth century, um, they
Speaker 1: started to experiment with insulin shock, where they would just
Speaker 1: dose the crud out of somebody with insulin and basically
Speaker 1: like bring them into a coma and in the comma
Speaker 1: they would have convulsions. Is that right? Yeah? Right, that
Speaker 1: was the point, Like they figured out this guy named
Speaker 1: Ladislaus von Maduna, who was a Hungarian physician. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: figured out that if you take insulin and injected into somebody,
Speaker 1: puts him in a coma temporary coma um that you
Speaker 1: can bring him out of with glucose, and then while
Speaker 1: they're in the coma they have seizures. And he was
Speaker 1: one of the ones were probably the first modern physician
Speaker 1: to suggest that there was a link between seizure or um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seizures and the curing of mental illness. He took it
Speaker 1: one step too far and saying that schizophrenia and epilepsy
Speaker 1: were counter productive maladies. So if you had one, you
Speaker 1: couldn't have the other. Not true. He was wrong about that,
Speaker 1: but he was right about seizures having a curative effect
Speaker 1: on mental illness. Though interesting, but he was the one
Speaker 1: who started championing and champion championing using insulin to produce seizures.
Speaker 1: So he led the way, followed by Italian scientists in
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties who finally brought electricity into it. Well,
Speaker 1: hold on, there was another guy too before. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: right around the same time, they are all these competing
Speaker 1: shock therapies, um, and there was the insulin guy, and
Speaker 1: then there was another dude UM named Manfred's Sakel and
Speaker 1: he was testing something called metrozol, which is the respiratory stimulant.
Speaker 1: And when you give somebody this stuff, they have seizures.
Speaker 1: And it's very reliable and it's very powerful, more powerful
Speaker 1: than insulin, and it requires less recuperation time in hospitalization time.
Speaker 1: The problem is it's so powerful. They're like of patients
Speaker 1: who had um shock therapy using metros all stuff suffered
Speaker 1: spinal fractures from because the convulsions were so hardcore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the Exorcist. Yeah, and then some now we're electricity Yeah,
Speaker 1: they discovered electricity. No, eight, that's not true. That was close.
Speaker 1: I think it was like, um, these Italians, they were scientists,
Speaker 1: and they said, we can use this to jolt this
Speaker 1: guy like with these delusions. He's he's clearly suffering, Like
Speaker 1: shock him with electricity and the delusions receded after like
Speaker 1: several treatments, and then just a few years later in
Speaker 1: the nineties it was being used as a regular treatment
Speaker 1: in the US for schizophrenia, depression, bipolarism. Um, but it's
Speaker 1: not like it is today. No, you said they've tweaked it.
Speaker 1: They've definitely improved it. They figured it out. Like we
Speaker 1: were a little barbaric before. No anesthesia back then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're wide awake and conscious when they applied an
Speaker 1: electro shock, yet your brain like in cuckoo's nests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: violent physical reactions with the body that don't happen these
Speaker 1: days were very powerful. Yeah, because a there's anesthesia, and
Speaker 1: they also these days put um muscle relaxers and stuff
Speaker 1: everywhere except the big the big foot, the foot, eighth
Speaker 1: single foot. Well, when it has a blood pressure cuffin,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is the big foot. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: introduced it intravenously and then they put a blood press
Speaker 1: your cuff on your around your ankle, so your body
Speaker 1: isn't like convulsing anymore. But dick and tell it's going
Speaker 1: on by e G s and stuff. And then the
Speaker 1: foot single foots movement, Yeah, because you're keeping the muscle
Speaker 1: relaxer and I guess the anesthesia out of the foot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so someone's actually a doctor looking just at your foot supposedly.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that anywhere else. I saw, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw that. Um like they even with the muscle relax
Speaker 1: and your fists are going to clench it on clanch in,
Speaker 1: your chest might heave, and they'll still put a tongue
Speaker 1: thing in your mouth to keep you from buying your
Speaker 1: tongue off. Right, But the the cumulative effect of it
Speaker 1: is not going to be felt at all by you
Speaker 1: because you're out under general anesthesia and you're probably feeling
Speaker 1: pretty good anyway. That's true thanks to Mr muscle Relaxer.
Speaker 1: And then the you know what, the way you've always
Speaker 1: seen it on TV, even when they portray modern like
Speaker 1: on six ft Under, they show people are always rendered
Speaker 1: this like zombies, like lobotomized essentially, and that's that's not
Speaker 1: what's going on these days. No, well, even back then,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a caricature of what a person
Speaker 1: looked like coming out of it, because there is memory
Speaker 1: loss associated with it. Yeah, and there still is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was then, there still is now. So I think
Speaker 1: that it's almost like that's what that's what some artists
Speaker 1: rendering or some directors rendering of what somebody with memory
Speaker 1: loss looks like. And so that's what just kind of
Speaker 1: got picked up in the popular culture following e. C. T.
Speaker 1: As you're just like catatonic, lobotomized, zombie like. But really
Speaker 1: it's that's shorthand for it. There's weird memory loss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and these days are going to check you out a
Speaker 1: lot more beforehand, I think, especially in the media portrayed
Speaker 1: as you know, some like a McMurtry and one flew
Speaker 1: with the cuckoo's nest. He's causing problems, so let's just
Speaker 1: drag him in there, strap him down and shock him.
Speaker 1: These days are gonna five disorderly to hold them exactly. Uh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go through a battery of pre treatments um
Speaker 1: like blood test, electrocardiograms, They're gonna give you a physical
Speaker 1: they're gonna give you a mental and they're gonna make
Speaker 1: sure you're a good fit all the way around for
Speaker 1: this kind of treatment. It's you know, it's not as
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was willing only back then,
Speaker 1: but that's how it appeared to be at least, and
Speaker 1: there was there's actually a decision by the f d
Speaker 1: A it's an electro convulsive therapy machine is a Class
Speaker 1: three I believe device, just the strictest and classification. And
Speaker 1: so it was up for reclassification for a little while,
Speaker 1: and um, they said, you know what, we're gonna stick
Speaker 1: with this classification because it's used for electro shocks. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people said, whoa old stuff. Yeah, you guys,
Speaker 1: this is this is you're still looking at it under
Speaker 1: this the medieval use from the forties and fifties. Things
Speaker 1: have changed by then. But I have to say, I
Speaker 1: mean it's I kind of am comforted by the fact
Speaker 1: that you still have to go to a doctor. It's
Speaker 1: not like the same thing as going for like laser
Speaker 1: hair removal, like you can also get e c T
Speaker 1: in the same office. Like it's very much medicalized, and
Speaker 1: I think it should be because we still don't understand
Speaker 1: what the mechanisms are. Yeah, that's true. Um, they will
Speaker 1: pulse your brain. You know, you've got these little things
Speaker 1: about the side of a quarter, these pads on the
Speaker 1: side of your head, either on both sides or one side,
Speaker 1: and they pulse you with for one millisecond, even though
Speaker 1: I think recently even shorter like millisecond point to five
Speaker 1: to point three seven milliseconds. Yeah, that's what they're starting
Speaker 1: to use. And I guess that that's like, is it
Speaker 1: for more humane purposes or works better? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they're finding that it works at least as well. But
Speaker 1: there's also fewer side effects, like apparently a one millisecond
Speaker 1: pulse of electricity is enough to like really interrupt memory, right, consolidation,
Speaker 1: I guess, whereas like a quarter of a millisecond it's
Speaker 1: not so bad. All right, these days, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: it two to three times a week for three to
Speaker 1: four weeks, is a typical treatment. Yeah, that's of course,
Speaker 1: five or ten minutes at a time. Yeah, from the
Speaker 1: time that they inject you with the the anesthesia till
Speaker 1: the time you start to wake up is about ten minutes,
Speaker 1: which I mean, like that doesn't sound like much. But
Speaker 1: if you're doing that two to three times a week
Speaker 1: for several weeks, all but that's a period of your
Speaker 1: life that you have a lot of trouble remembering much of.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a picnic still, no, because you're
Speaker 1: you are still coming out of it. You're still groggy
Speaker 1: coming out of anesthesia. You can still be confused. What's
Speaker 1: ironic is now that they use anesthesia, you probably look
Speaker 1: more like the portrayal of people coming out out of
Speaker 1: e c. T in the fifties than they did because
Speaker 1: they were anestecized. Yeah they weren't. No, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I mean that today. That's funny. I didn't think about
Speaker 1: it like that. UM I found one staff. I found
Speaker 1: one stat that said it is effective in of people
Speaker 1: these days with severe depression, whereas any depressants are only
Speaker 1: UM effective about six in the time. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: what pretty much what they're using it for is just
Speaker 1: like major depression is pretty much the thing that they found, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's really effective for this. Like when drugs don't work well,
Speaker 1: that's usually when they're turning to it. UM is after
Speaker 1: an adepressant, after antidepressant, hasn't worked. But this is like
Speaker 1: a pretty significant rebound, a hundred thousand people a year
Speaker 1: getting this and coming under wide medical and public acceptance.
Speaker 1: UM because just as as recently in the eighties, there's
Speaker 1: a stat in this article that says between eighty five
Speaker 1: and two thousand two, the use of e c T
Speaker 1: in England dropped by half, and that was because there
Speaker 1: was a rise of anidepressants. It's like, you can take
Speaker 1: these pills, or we can put electrodes on your brain
Speaker 1: and zap you. What do you want to do? But
Speaker 1: then as people were as physicians, I guess we're finding
Speaker 1: that there were plenty people out there who don't respond
Speaker 1: well to UM antidepressants. Shock therapy is a great alternative.
Speaker 1: And if you're if you suffer from major depression and
Speaker 1: you are suicidal or at risk for suicide, they may
Speaker 1: hop right to act because the results are so much faster.
Speaker 1: Huh that makes sense, I know. Well. One of the
Speaker 1: interesting things they pointed out too was that UM, once
Speaker 1: you've had e c T, if drugs were not previously
Speaker 1: effective on you, then the antidepressants can extend the good, uh,
Speaker 1: the good effects of the e c T longer, which
Speaker 1: was interesting because like I guess they can work in
Speaker 1: concert if you go e c T first, which makes
Speaker 1: it sound like like the e c T goes in
Speaker 1: there and like shake things loose, and then the drugs
Speaker 1: come in and like keep their functioning going, keep the
Speaker 1: new and improved functioning going. And we should say, like,
Speaker 1: all this is theory. We don't no one knows specifically
Speaker 1: what e c T does to the brain. We just
Speaker 1: know it works. Then we should also say, no one's
Speaker 1: exactly certain how anidipressants work right or what effects they
Speaker 1: have on the brain. But there's a couple of theories,
Speaker 1: um that are kind of brain based. One is that UM,
Speaker 1: the the idea is that the electricity UM changes how
Speaker 1: blood flows or how cells metabolize things, and UM that
Speaker 1: leads to some sort of improved function. Yeah. The other
Speaker 1: one is they think it might release certain chemicals that
Speaker 1: can help out UM, and everything I've read sort of
Speaker 1: likens it to a like a control all delete, reset,
Speaker 1: or like some sort of reset function on your brain.
Speaker 1: I think they likened it in here to turning the
Speaker 1: stereo down, like there's just so much noise and this
Speaker 1: just sort of resets a troubled brain right. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a study in from Scotland in two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: where they did brain scans of people with major depression
Speaker 1: before ECT and after a round of e c T
Speaker 1: and UM they found that these regions associated with mood
Speaker 1: and emotion, um, we're less active. And so they said
Speaker 1: that they basically altered the functional connectivity of these regions
Speaker 1: between the regions so that the person could think more clearly,
Speaker 1: was less distracted, and they think that that had an
Speaker 1: effect on reducing their question well, and they tested with
Speaker 1: Placebo's two and I think like anytime you test with
Speaker 1: the placebo, you're gonna find that some there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit of it that works. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but not always. And that's what they found here is
Speaker 1: that some of the people that were told that they
Speaker 1: received e c T put under didn't you think this
Speaker 1: is kind of mean? Yeah, they would put them under
Speaker 1: and say they did it and not do it. Um
Speaker 1: that the people with e c T did recover UM faster,
Speaker 1: but there were some that received the fake treatment that
Speaker 1: did recover as well. So they think that might have
Speaker 1: just been because they received that extra TLC from a
Speaker 1: proper clinician and the free drugs. That's true. So um,
Speaker 1: we should say there are risks to it. Like there's
Speaker 1: at least two types of memory laws associated with e
Speaker 1: C t UM. One is you have trouble making memories
Speaker 1: around the appointment, UM, which is to be expected. That
Speaker 1: usually fades. UM. Then there's larger member reloss that of
Speaker 1: past events long before your ect therapy. UM. But that
Speaker 1: also fades not in old people though, So there is
Speaker 1: like memory laws associated with it. With zapping the brain
Speaker 1: with electricity, who who would have thought? Um? And then uh,
Speaker 1: you can also die. UM. One in ten thousand patients
Speaker 1: undergoing it dies but they they say that that's how
Speaker 1: many one in ten thousand, So every year ten people
Speaker 1: die from from in America. But they say that that's
Speaker 1: typically a reaction to or a result of anesthesia, like
Speaker 1: just going on right, Yeah, it's dangerous in and of itself.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get headaches obviously, in some muscle pain. But UM,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it's anything quite like the
Speaker 1: old days as far as muscle pain and stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you will still find people that poop po would
Speaker 1: of course, but this article points out a lot of
Speaker 1: those people are the same people that are pretty anti
Speaker 1: psychiatry in general and stuff like this. That seems like
Speaker 1: a bit of a leap to me. What from the
Speaker 1: author to say that, Yeah, at least she wasn't just
Speaker 1: like scientologists hate it. Um, have you got anything else?
Speaker 1: I got nothing else. Let's go try this out. I
Speaker 1: would certainly try it out if I needed it. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: would too, you know, because there's something appealing to me
Speaker 1: about using electricity over drugs. Yeah, drugs are some great
Speaker 1: thing to pump your body full of love. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I wonder if it's going to
Speaker 1: become more and more widespread, you know. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: it comes back Gangbusters, man, that's really going to be
Speaker 1: impressive because it was almost gone. Yeah. You know, imagine
Speaker 1: if the little botomy came back. Yeah. I know it's
Speaker 1: still around, but it's not back. But you know, ect
Speaker 1: is back, baby, maybe a little blood letting lit leaching. Right.
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Speaker 1: type that word in the search bar how stuff works
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Speaker 1: the first try. And since I said search bar, um,
Speaker 1: I guess it's time for message break mm hmm, and
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Speaker 1: first of all, I want to say, you're still keeping
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Speaker 1: if a bridge is made out of Papa doms, which
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Speaker 1: they would it would break and they fall in the
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Speaker 1: dad still teases me about that to this day. Does
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Speaker 1: it's her name. She's like, are you listening to Papa,
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Speaker 1: trying to remember it and I cannot. Yeah, there's some
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Speaker 1: it down, horses scare me. Don't attract any horses because
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Speaker 1: my first concert, Hall of Notes at the University of
Speaker 1: Toledo Colosseum. They opened up on Yeah, Until Tuesday opened
Speaker 1: up nice. Well. I never really thought about that because
Speaker 1: I always say, oh, my first concert was Cheap Trick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't say it was John Waite who opened up
Speaker 1: for Cheap Track. Was it really John White? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: I've to love to see that one. And those those
Speaker 1: are real concerts, like I went to Kenny Rodgers and
Speaker 1: stuff when I was a kid, and people like Cooney
Speaker 1: Rodgers is real. Yeah, it is about to say the
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Speaker 1: And where I smelled marijuana for the first time, like
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Speaker 1: Hall of Notes concert. Oh, I did a cheap drag.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is that. I'm sure I've never
Speaker 1: smelled that before in my life. Cheap Trick, And everyone
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