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Speaker 1: this week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen how

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Speaker 1: electro convulsive therapy works. Uh. This one was an eye

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Speaker 1: opening episode. It came out in May of two thousand thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and prior to this I always thought it was just

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Speaker 1: that is still in use today. Like I said, I opening.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it. Welcome to Stuff you Should

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Speaker 1: Know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: which means it's time for Stuff you Should Know. Indeed

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Speaker 1: shocking edition. See I take the rap for a bad pun,

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Speaker 1: but you in fact said that before we recorded. I

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Speaker 1: I have to carefully got um Chuck. Yes, have you

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Speaker 1: ever seen or read or both One flu Over the

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Speaker 1: Cuckoo's Nest? Yes? Both? Oh? Yeah? Did you like the

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Speaker 1: book more than the movie or vice versa? Both? The

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Speaker 1: One of my faiths it is a great movie. I

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Speaker 1: I thought he was a cool dude. Yeah, I've read

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Speaker 1: He did the Well, actually he didn't write. That was

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Speaker 1: KESI wrote the crap. I'll come back to it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he wrote the what was it the book? Well, if

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Speaker 1: you totally should. It is, like Chuck was saying, one

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Speaker 1: great book, apparently. And Um. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: up nice. Well. I never really thought about that because

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Speaker 1: I always say, oh, my first concert was Cheap Trick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't say it was John Waite who opened up

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Speaker 1: I've to love to see that one. And those those

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Speaker 1: are real concerts, like I went to Kenny Rodgers and

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is real. Yeah, it is about to say the

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Speaker 1: same thing. I meant concerts that my family didn't drag

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Speaker 1: me too, got that I paid my own money for it.

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Speaker 1: And where I smelled marijuana for the first time, like

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Speaker 1: a real concert. I didn't smell any marijuana at the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Notes concert. Oh, I did a cheap drag.

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Speaker 1: I was like, what is that. I'm sure I've never

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Speaker 1: smelled that before in my life. Cheap Trick, And everyone

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Speaker 1: and you did good going, Chuckers. Uh Is that it?

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Speaker 1: That is it? Thanks to Cheryl for um kicking off

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Speaker 1: a pretty great little chap. You should get youmy's mom

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