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Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, the

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Speaker 1: Alongside of me is world famous Pot Brothers at Law

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Speaker 1: and Mr Joe Grande and we have a fantastic show

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred nineteen eighty. The number once again is

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Speaker 1: junior college like a rock star. Sorry, okay, that was

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard that song in the year twenty five?

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Speaker 1: We just made it up? Yeah, by Imperial Stars, so

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Speaker 1: Brothers at Pot Underscore Brothers Underscore at Underscore. Law Mark

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Speaker 1: Marcus at wall Slaw. Craig is that Washslaw dog and

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Speaker 1: back from a family vacation. Well Blue was at one,

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Speaker 1: Before we get into some great cannabis news, Craig, please

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Speaker 1: tell everyone about your fantastic family getaway. Wait a second,

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Speaker 1: hold on before we get into that, though, I find it.

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Speaker 1: What kind of music is that? That's fully good radio

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Speaker 1: holding that's some good beach music right today, Hold on,

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Speaker 1: old man and say what group? What is what is Zagger?

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Speaker 1: interesting that is Zagger and Evans. Now now there's even

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Speaker 1: make you do it again. So, Craig, how was your

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Speaker 1: great trip? Man? It was awesome? What did you awesome?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Smoker Sack. Cannabis Talk one on one is

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Speaker 1: back sack man. We need to get a sack. Let's

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Speaker 1: your thought process, Craig, because you know, when when I've

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Speaker 1: smoked licensed products out of vapes and I've smoked them

426
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Speaker 1: down to towards the end, I get this taste of burn, nasty, whatever,

427
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: and there has to be some I can almost tell

428
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Speaker 1: that it's not the cannabis that I'm tasting. It's just

429
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Speaker 1: the bottom of So again, maybe it's not the cannabis us,

430
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Speaker 1: but maybe it's the the the you know, the actual

431
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: hardware that we're smoking, metal on metal and it's heating up,

432
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Speaker 1: and it's a battery involved, and what if you know,

433
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Speaker 1: there's so many issues that can go and maybe not

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Speaker 1: the th HC portion of it. I can, I can

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Speaker 1: go back you on that. But when we start talking

436
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Speaker 1: about the device that you're using, you know, you're you're

437
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: you're you're now putting a battery, You're sucking in the battery,

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Speaker 1: You're sucking random metal, the metal, heated up metals, You've

439
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Speaker 1: got plastic around those heated up We don't understand that

440
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 1: the plastic that you're putting in your mouth. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's so many things it's not I think if you're

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Speaker 1: smoking straight flower create result that the product inside of it,

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00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: I can I can agree with. But that's a whole

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Speaker 1: another completely separate conversation than what we're talking about today

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Speaker 1: about about not getting into the th h c OH

446
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 1: because of how dangerous it appears. No, no, yeah, if

447
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: you're right and it's the new and best thing right

448
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: now people are touting as you can get just as

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Speaker 1: high as not higher than legal cannabis. Don't go there

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Speaker 1: at this point in time, is our point, because it's

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Speaker 1: it's just it's crazy how this says, it's made what

452
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Speaker 1: it's made of, and it's unregulated on top of all that.

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Speaker 1: So let's play devil's advocate for a second on that.

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Speaker 1: And I just because I like, I like diving into

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Speaker 1: to the thought of you know, when Delta eight hit,

456
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, a lot the whole industry was, you know,

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Speaker 1: hating on it from the operator standpoint, the licensed operator standpoint,

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Speaker 1: which I thoroughly understand. However, I'd like to also open

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Speaker 1: the mind up and say, all those licensed operators, not

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Speaker 1: all of them, eight percent, thirty percent, whatever the number is,

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00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: have operated in an elusive gray market, if not the

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Speaker 1: legacy market, or whomever you wanna call it. And now,

463
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: when yes, and when the Delta eight came, everybody was

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Speaker 1: shunning it and this and that, and now that it's

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Speaker 1: becoming license, you watch all those same people hating on

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Speaker 1: it are gonna take it in. I get the argument

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Speaker 1: of it, but I also from and from a standpoint

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Speaker 1: of that, a lot of these guys are sitting there saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, all this Delta eight stuff, this Delta eight

470
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: stuff is crap, It sucks, and this and that. But

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Speaker 1: those same operators that have been operating in the lucid

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00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: market or the legacy market have been pushing that Delta

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Speaker 1: eight on one side of the fence and on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the fence, just talking about how trash

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00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: it is and this and that. And I know this

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Speaker 1: because I don't I don't agree that anybody who was

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Speaker 1: in the list, anybody anybody or the legal market or

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00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: the or the let's see the gray market back then

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00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: as we called it, because if you could set up properly,

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Speaker 1: you know for a fact you're wrong. Anybody sold Delta eight.

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00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: Everybody sold in cannabis. No, no, no eight. Everybody sold cannabis.

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Speaker 1: This is the problem, both of you. This is the

483
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: problem delta eight and and this th C O which

484
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: comes from hamp is a molecule that's being manipulated by

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00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: other chemicals. That's the big difference. And it's outside the

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Speaker 1: chemicals the cannabis. Actually don't know the health consequences, so

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00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: people shouldn't use it. But I'm gonna take back that

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Speaker 1: and say, hold on a second, let's do more research

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Speaker 1: with it, because what if we find something that's even

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00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: more immaculant. They added something to the th h C

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00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: and it became a stronger cure for cancer. It became

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Speaker 1: a stronger cure for maybe. But I'm saying because these

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00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: chemicals that they're using for these pills. But I'm saying maybe,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying do the research. I'm saying put it on.

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Speaker 1: I hear you. My My whole point is this is

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Speaker 1: the public service announcement, and this is your reading facts

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00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: that this is unknown. It's it appears to be very

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Speaker 1: unsafe and it could have very dire health consequences. But

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00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: don't take it. Don't take it at home. If you

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00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: see th C oh, don't try it because it's unregulated.

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00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: That's fair, But fifteen years ago cannabis was in the

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00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: same place is all I'm saying. And now you know,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't at chemicals to they were. They were using extractions.

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00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: We were extracting it. And everybody was like, this is

505
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: a heroine and its drugs and now said it's all

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00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: good kid. No, no, no, you're mixing, mixing upople reception.

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00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: You're mixing up people's perception of cannabis fifteen twenty years

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00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: ago versus growing it and smoking it. Well know that.

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00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about instractions. Chemicals. Don't use any other

510
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: chemicals to process it to make it something that not.

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Speaker 1: But I'm talking about extractions, O craig. I meant extractions.

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00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: Maybe weren't extractions. Back then, there was old true cash.

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00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: There was buttane. People were blown blowing buttane. Ten years ago. Okay,

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00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, okay, well we gotta go back if you

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00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: really want to go over. Yeah years ago, fifteen fifteen

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00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: years ago, we had to talk about flower. They were

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00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: taking the flower and they're putting crazy shit in it, beutane,

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00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: this and that. I know some guys that put coke

519
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: in their joints. Yeah, and so that was coco puffs. Yeah,

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00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: look at all of us. No, The point is the

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00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: point is we don't try that at home. No, but

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00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, unless you don't want to. You got our toothache,

523
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: it might work. So so so the bottom line is this,

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Speaker 1: This is the bottom line before we check out, and

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00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: this is what this is what the stories bottom line

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Until th h c

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00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: O and other hemp derivatives come under state regulated systems,

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00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: consumers will need to weigh the risks and benefits of

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00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: these compounds for themselves. So you just have to be

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00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: knowledgeable if you're gonna do it. I would do some

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Speaker 1: research before you start vaping this new great thing that

532
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: came from HIMP but yet was manipulated by other fucking

533
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: chemicals to get to the result where you're smoking. And

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00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: I just see a whole convention called t h c

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00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: O until they take it away. The bottom line, I'm

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00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: not going to bring that's not gonna happen. It's gonna

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00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: It's not arguing that that's not gonna happen. I'm not

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00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: arguing that it's not gonna be the next Delta uh

539
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: Delta eight um. But like like one of the you

540
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: know Debano in our office, he has a hemp farm

541
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: in Tennessee and he he He tells us that this

542
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: Delta A can be great, but he would only smoke

543
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: it from somebody he absolutely new processed it because it's

544
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: just so dangerous. As the different people are calling, you

545
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: don't know what's in it. Someone could just white labeled

546
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: boxes full of ship and you have no idea. Well,

547
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: and that's that's that's the part of of the cannabis

548
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: industry that we still deal with today, meaning that there's

549
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: knockoffs of every single brand that's out there. And then

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00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: young folks and this is the worst part of it,

551
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: is that our young folks are the ones that are

552
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: getting in on the streets, especially in other states. You know,

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00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean I watched all these kid yeah where it's

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00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: illegal and and iven i mean, if he listen, dude,

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00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be the first to tell you, Dude,

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00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: I've seen my kids walk in and I've caught him

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00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: with you know, vape pins and and I'm looking at

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00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: the oil like, dude, this is trash. I'd rather you

559
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: ask me then for you to smoke this trash, bro.

560
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, that's steazy. I'm like, no, that's

561
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: not steasy, dude, that's some easy that's I'm feazy. Yeah,

562
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: the g eazy, that's the fageezy right there. And you

563
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: could tell that it's fake, you know what I mean,

564
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: And I know it, and they're like, well, you know then,

565
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: you know whatever, the big brand names getting knocked off.

566
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Your son's name got knocked off, Jake, all kinds of big.

567
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: If you're big, that's the biggest compliment because they get you,

568
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: they get you know, I mean, you know, to wrap

569
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: it up, I mean, but it's true. That's the only

570
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: good thing about the regulated you know market with with

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00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, not just weed being grown and flower being sold,

572
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: with these things that have to be man made in

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00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: package and put into cartridges and use the fitting agent

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00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: so it can doesn't clog up and all that other crap.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not a bad thing, Joe, that we have

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Speaker 1: this testing. Well there it is. Guys, Share this with

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