1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Don't we all find spies stories kind of intriguing? What's 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: that about? Is it the idea that somebody can just 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: slip through the cracks, gather intelligence and not be found out, 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: or maybe we just want to see them get caught. Well, 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: it turns out some of the most effective spies of 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: the past two hundred years have been women who used 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: intelligence and sex to get the info they wanted. I'm 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: Patti Steele Undercover Female Heroes. Next on the backstory. We're 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: back with the backstory. Why do we all love movies, books, 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: TV shows about espionage? Well, I kind of think it's 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: because it's exciting, exhilarating, and honestly, it's kind of sexy. 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we're fascinated by people who are willing to 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: take a risk. James Bond movies are a perfect example 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: of how much we love this genre and how sexy 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: we think it is. In over sixty years, Double O 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: seven movies have earned well over twenty one point three 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: billion dollars at the box office by today's measure. Yeah, 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: we definitely love it. And now that Daniel Craig has 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: hung up his tucks and parked his Aston martin dB five, 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: there's constant disagreement about who the next bond should be. 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Some think it should be a woman, while others say 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: that just doesn't make any sense. The story has always 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: been about a guy, guys or spies, but let's take 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: a peek at the real world of espionage. Women have 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: played and continue to play, a really important role. Most 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: of the time. It seems they're overlooked, but maybe that's 27 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: exactly why they've been so successful. In the lead up 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: to the Civil War, the roles of women were traditionally 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: all about home, raising the kids, maintaining the house, cooking, sewing, 30 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But honestly, it was during this 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: horrific conflict that female spies came to the forefront. Think 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: about it. Giant lacy, silky dresses with ridiculously full skirts, 33 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: lots of flitting fans cooling those blushing faces. Women in 34 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: the seats of power during the war were intelligent conversationalists 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: and terrific party givers at best, and gorgeous playthings at worst, 36 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: but they had access to the war's secret underbelly. They 37 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: were around powerful men who called the shots when those 38 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: men were at their most vulnerable, liquored up at parties, 39 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: formal dinners and dances and in romantic situations. Rose Greenhouse 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: was a widow and a social powerhouse in Washington, d C. 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: In the eighteen fifties and sixties. She invited prominent men 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: to her townhouse and eventually managed to squeeze tons of 43 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: valuable information out of them. She had romantic liaisons with 44 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: some warm friendships with others, but the goal was always 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: to get whatever info out of them she could and 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: send it South. Even after she was arrested and placed 47 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: under house arrest and put her in prison, she continued 48 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: to get info to the Confederates until she was finally 49 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: locked up in a Union prison, but it was a 50 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: nice one. Eventually she was freed and traveled to Europe, 51 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: representing the South in meetings with Queen Victoria and Napoleon. 52 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: She was considered a Southern hero. Yet another Southern bell 53 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: who spied for the rebels. Well it's eighteen sixty one 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: in the Shenandoah Valley, seventeen year old Bell Boyd known 55 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: as the Cleopatra of the Secession interesting she was one 56 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: of the Confederacy's most fearless spies. Her legacy included shooting 57 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: a Union soldier dead just for insulting her mother, but 58 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: she had social standing and charm, and she used that 59 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: to get critical information from the Union officers that she 60 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: cozied up to and then relay it to Confederate generals 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: who would suspect a charming teenager. Now on the other side, 62 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: Elizabeth van Lew was a Union spy in the heart 63 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: of the Confederacy. A high society philanthropist in Richmond, Virginia 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: who was an avid abolitionist. She masterminded a major spy ring, 65 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: including placing Mary Bowser, a brilliant former slave, right under 66 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: the noses of the racist Confederate big shots. Mary had 67 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: an extraordinary memory, and Elizabeth got her a job in 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: the Confederate White House. Together they funneled vital secrets back 69 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: to the Union in the North, and women have continued 70 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: to play a huge role in the world of espionage. 71 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: In World War One, there was the notorious Madhari. She 72 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: was an exotic dancer from Holland who was convicted of 73 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: being a spy for Germany and executed by firing squad. 74 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: Now it's World War II. Virginia Hall was an American 75 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: who joined the British Special Ops. She had lost her 76 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: leg in a hunting accident, but that did not slow 77 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: her down. She was instrumental in organizing the French resistance, 78 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: putting together jail brakes, training guerrilla forces, and leading aabotage 79 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: operations against the Nazis. Around the same time, another name 80 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: sent chills down the spines of the Gestapo, Nancy Wake, 81 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: also called the White Mouse. During her journey from journalists 82 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: to the heart of the French resistance, she saved hundreds 83 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: of lives, participated in daring raids, and regularly evaded capture. 84 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: Then the Cold War began at the end of World 85 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: War II, and the era of spy games like we 86 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: see in all those great James bondflicks got underway. Intelligence 87 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: became as powerful as firepower, and again female spies played 88 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: huge roles, and once again the lack of respect by 89 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: the enemy played to their advantage. That was certainly the 90 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: case of Melita Norwood. She was an eighty seven year 91 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: old British great grandmother when it was discovered that she 92 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: had been flying way under the radar for decades as 93 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: a spy, passing such valuable information to the Soviet Union 94 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: that it was set She was instrumental in the Soviets 95 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: rise as a nuclear power. Why wasn't she discovered earlier 96 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: in her almost fifty years as a Soviet spy? Well, 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: when she began her undercover career in the nineteen thirties, 98 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: one of the early British mi I five female spies 99 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: expressed some suspicion about Melita, but her superior blew it off, 100 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: saying women were incapable of being effective spies. So it 101 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: seems that the ability to blend in can mean life 102 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: or death in the world of espionage. Pretty obvious, and 103 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: when certain people are overlooked and undervalued, they are perfect 104 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: for undercover roles. So does it really surprise you that 105 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: some of the most successful spies in history were female. 106 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: Got a story you'd like me to look into and share? 107 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: All you have to do is DM me on Facebook 108 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: at Patty Steele or on Instagram at real Patty Steele. 109 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm Patty Steele. The Backstories a production of iHeartMedia, Premiere Networks, 110 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: the Elvis Durand Group and Steel Trap Productions. Our producer 111 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: is Doug Fraser. Our writer Jake Kushner. We have new 112 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: episodes every Tuesday and Friday. 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