1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. What does a gorgeous young 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: mom of a top girl have to do with a 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: woman's body washing up on the beach only identified by 4 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: a scorpion tattoo. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Foxination and Sirius 6 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: XM one eleven. Let's start with the young mom. Take 7 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at crime Online. 8 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: Christine Belusko was raised in Montville, New Jersey. Her dad, Frank, 9 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: was a New Jersey glass molder, while her mom, Dorothy, 10 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: worked as an auto dealership secretary. Frank and Dorothy didn't 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: tell Christine that they adopted her as a baby, not 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: an uncommon practice at the time. Christine grew up not 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: knowing that Friend and Dorothy Belusko were not her biological parents. 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: It was only after Christine had a daughter of her 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: own that the truth came out. Christine's biological mother had 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: given birth to eight other children and decided to give 17 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: up Christine for adoption when she was still an infant. 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: Christine was shocked. 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: Well, okay, before I even get into the facts any further, 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: I've got to address that glaring, gaping issue. Karen Stark 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: is with me, a renowned psychologists a joining us out 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: of New York in Manhattan today. 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: You can find her at Karenstark dot com. 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: That's Karen with a se Karen, how do you handle 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: how well? I know it's different with every family, it 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: must be, but in your mind, how do you believe 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: adoptees adoptees should be informed and when they're adopted. 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: Nancy, I have no doubt that someone who's adopted should 29 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: be told strongly, in my opinion, and known that they 30 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: are adopted for as soon as you can, and possibly 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: tell them that story when their children you presented as 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 4: a story in you use their name. You know, Sally, 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 4: we saw this beautiful little baby and decided that we 34 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 4: wanted a baby. We couldn't have one. 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: Things like that. 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 4: They need to know that this is not their biological parents, 37 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter because they're being loved and cared for, 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 4: not a surprise. That's the worst thing you could possibly do. 39 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: Just trying to think of the right way to say 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: something like that. 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 5: The stories for children. 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know that I would say, well, 43 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: we couldn't have a baby, so we got you, like 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: you're the consolation prize. 45 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: I think I would say. 46 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: Something like, we wanted you so much and then we 47 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: found out about you, and we took you because we 48 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: wanted you to be in our home when your mommy 49 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: couldn't take care of you. 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it. 51 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 4: You're bringing up good point because I worked with someone 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: who was told that that story that you're saying right now, 53 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: and he decided that he didn't turn out the way 54 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 4: they would have wanted him to. So what a mistake 55 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: they made choosing him. So you have to be really 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 4: careful about the story that you decide to tell, but 57 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 4: you need to tell as soon as you can. 58 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and look, in this case, Christine Belisko 59 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: finds out and is shocked, and she doesn't find out 60 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: until she has a child, and I guess Nicole Parton 61 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Nicole, thanks 62 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: for being with us. How did it come out that 63 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: once she had the baby, she found out she was adopted? 64 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: How did that happen? 65 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 6: She began to inquire about family history, as so often 66 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 6: mothers do when they're having children of their own, and 67 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 6: they told her the truth. 68 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: They came out. 69 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 6: Honestly and began to tell her the story of her adoption. 70 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 6: At that point, of course, now she's an adult woman, 71 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 6: she's thirty years old, and she didn't handle that quite well. 72 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 6: And that's when she became very upset with her family 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 6: and said that she was leaving. 74 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Stark, you're the renowned psychologist. Isn't that 75 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: a little extreme to be so upset with your mom 76 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: and dad that you just leave? 77 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 5: Well, if you. 78 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 4: Think about it, I mean leaving, that's very extreme. 79 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 5: But if you think about the fact. 80 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: That your whole life you believe a certain story, that 81 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: this is where you come from, this is what happened, 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 4: and then the shock of realizing that the people you 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 4: trusted the most lied to you, that's really hard to digest. Nancy, 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 4: think about that. 85 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you what happened the other day. 86 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: Lucy and John David were in the backseat. This is 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: where everything always happens. When they were three, they'd say, 88 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: I heard so, and so what did they say the 89 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: first time? The first time they ever said that, they said, 90 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: I heard it was John David. OI heard Miss Cartwright 91 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: gives out candy and reading circle. 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: That was the big hot news on the playground. I'm like, 93 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: where did you hear that? 94 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: And he goes on the playground that's like on the street, 95 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: you know, the playground. Well, the other day trying and 96 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: Lucy said, I don't even remember which girl it is, says, 97 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: I'll just pretend it to you. 98 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: Jackie. Jackie came from an egg. 99 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: And I said, okay, first of all, he's Jackie, And 100 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: what do you mean a chicken egg? 101 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: I was just kidding around, didn't know what she was 102 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: talking about. 103 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: She goes, now, her mom got the egg from somebody 104 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: else because she couldn't have babies. This was last year, 105 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: maybe the year before that. They already knew about, you know, 106 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: donor eggs and all that. And she said, mom, am 107 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: I from your egg. I'm like, yes, Lucy, you and 108 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: John David both And she really believed me until she 109 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: insists on having twenty three and me and we did 110 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: it and she saw that we had the same exact ancestry. 111 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: But a long story short, this little girl had known 112 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: whoever the little girl was, had known for years and 113 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: years and years that her mom used an egg doner 114 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: and it was just kind of like matter of fact, 115 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying Karen start. It's not like a 116 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: big issue that she's suddenly going to run away from 117 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: home over That's. 118 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 4: Why it's really important to tell the story as soon 119 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 4: as you can, right from the beginning, because then it 120 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: really isn't the same kind of big deal that it 121 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: is if you're already grown up and you're hit with 122 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: this news and the way that you think about yourself 123 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 4: and your whole life then has changed overnight. 124 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: Wow. 125 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, Karen Starr, you've led me down 126 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: the garden path. I want to get back to the 127 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: girl whose body washes up on the shore, But more 128 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: about this young mom of a taught girl herself who 129 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: discovers kind of like ey the blue no idea this 130 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: was going to happen, that she was adopted. 131 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: Take a listen to this. 132 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: Christine was raised in mom but her last known address 133 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: was in Clifton, New Jersey. Once she learned about being 134 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: adopted as a baby, the single mother announced to the 135 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: family she was leaving for Florida. She left in July 136 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: and stayed at the Mount Airy Lodge near Mount Pocono. 137 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: Well certainly not Florida, but she had left New Jersey. 138 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: Family members didn't hear from Christina and just assumed that 139 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: she had moved to Florida and just wasn't communicating with 140 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: them for the time being. A friend saw her at 141 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: the mount Airy Lodge in September, but shortly after that 142 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: she was gone. Her family still thought she was in 143 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: Florida with her toddler, Kristen Nicole, starting a new life together. 144 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 7: Christine Belusko, a thirty year old single mother to a 145 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 7: two year old girl, works for the retail chain Rainbow Shops, 146 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 7: setting up new stores when they open. After telling her 147 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 7: family she was moving to Florida. 148 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So she heads to Florida to start a new 149 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: life with her little girl, and the family thinks that 150 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: at some point she's going to cool down and she's 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: going to come back. 152 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: Is that right, Nicole parton. 153 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 6: Right, So her family thinks, believing her story, she's going 154 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 6: to go to Florida. Probably things will settle down, she'll 155 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 6: enjoy the sunshine in the sea for a while, and 156 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 6: she'll come back to us. So they're not really concerned. 157 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 6: They're upset, of course, to lose their daughter and their granddaughter, 158 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 6: but they also feel like things will simmer down and 159 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 6: she'll return. 160 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: Shortly Jason Jensen joining me. 161 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: High profile private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations and 162 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: the co founder of Cold Case Coalition. You can find 163 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: them at Jensenprivate Investigations dot com. Jason, thanks for being 164 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: with us now. Isn't that true? Isn't it true that 165 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: very often a family will believe a family member has 166 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: gone missing, and ultimately the family member wanders back into 167 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: their life. 168 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: Yes. 169 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 8: Yes, oftentimes people do leave and come back, and frequently 170 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 8: that family member will report this person as missing and 171 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 8: law enforcement will resist, say, well, everybody, as an adult 172 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 8: has a right to disappear, and nothing gets to pursue, 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 8: No paperwork gets filed for like a missing person's report. 174 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 8: That's usually the biggest problem here because what I see 175 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 8: that's glaringly obvious in this case is there's no missing 176 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 8: person's report filed. 177 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: But Nicole partner it's not weird because she says, how 178 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: dare you not tell me, adopted, I'm leaving, I'm going 179 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: to Florida to open the next Rainbow store, and off 180 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: she goes. 181 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: Right, So why would they file a missing person right? 182 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? 183 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 6: They had no reason to believe that she was missing. 184 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 6: She clearly told them what her plans were she was leaving. 185 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 6: She was going down there to open the clothing store. 186 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 6: She was upset, so they had no reason to believe 187 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 6: anything other than she was really upset with us, so 188 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 6: she's left no reason for concern. 189 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: At the same time, on a parallel path, the discovery 190 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: of a dead body makes headlines. Take a listen to 191 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Michael McMahon today. 192 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 9: We want to speak about the case of the Girl 193 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 9: with a Scorpion tattoo. This is a story about a 194 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 9: brutal and depraved murder, depraved acts of violence that killed 195 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 9: this young girl in her prime, and the dumping of 196 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 9: her body in a lonely and desolate field. On east 197 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 9: shore of Staten Island. 198 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 7: Monday morning, just after dawn, a body was found across 199 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 7: the road from South Beach Psychiatric Two employees walking by 200 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 7: initially thought it was a discarded mannequin. The woman was handcuffed, 201 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 7: strangled and struck with a hammer seventeen times. The body 202 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 7: was then set on fire. The murder weapon was found 203 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 7: in theeath the body. 204 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 9: A young woman was found brutally beaten, strangled and burned 205 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 9: on Stetm Island's east shore. She had been handcuffed partially 206 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 9: clothed and had numerous blunt trauma forces to her head. 207 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 9: She was found with a distinctive scorpion tattoo and this 208 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 9: case was followed with great sorrow and public intrigue across 209 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 9: the borough and beyond, and she became known as the 210 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 9: Girl of the Sporting Tattoo. 211 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, please join us now on 212 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: Fox Nation for a brand new investigation, Parallels of Evil 213 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: the Bundy and Idaho Killings. In this gripping special investigation, 214 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: we bring together an incredible panel of guests who analyze 215 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: disturbing similarities of evil between these horrible crimes. We speak 216 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: with two female Ted Bundy survivors, Karen Pryor and Cheryl Thomas, 217 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: who described their life before and after they were victims 218 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: of Ted Bundy. We also speak with the renowned private 219 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: investigator Bill Warner who worked the cases, and Ted Bundy's 220 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: defense attorney, John Henry Brown. We traveled to Moscow, Idaho, 221 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: to speak with Washington State University students and interview neighbors 222 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: of Brian Coburger. One neighbor shares exclusive insights about the 223 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: suspect in the Idaho killings, Brian Coburger, don't miss Parallels 224 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: of Evil the Bundan and Idaho killings, streaming now exclusively 225 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: on Fox Nation. 226 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy. 227 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: Grease straight out to renowned forensic pathologist, medical examiner, and 228 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: former detective author of homicide investigation field Guide, doctor Michelle, 229 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: doctor dupre, thank you for being with us. You know, 230 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: when these two employees at a health facility across the 231 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: street from where the body had washed up on the shore, 232 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: they first said they thought they were looking at a mannequin. 233 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: Now I heard that before many times before, no, several 234 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: times before, not many, and one of them was when 235 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: baby Connor washed ashore, that is the unborn child, the 236 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: unborn son of Lacey and Scott Peterson. 237 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: Remember, I do remember, I believe. Well, one body washed 238 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: up and then twenty four hours later, on the next tide, 239 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: the next body washed up, and Baby Connor was described 240 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: as looking like a baby mannequin or a baby doll. 241 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,359 Speaker 3: There's totally pristine. 242 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: And we now know the reason was that while Lacey's 243 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: body had decomposed underwater, one of the strongest portions of 244 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: the human body, and that being the uterus and the 245 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: muscle surrounding it, protected baby Connor from much of that decomposure. 246 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: As her body decomposed, her stomach literally opened up and 247 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: Connor floated out. Is the way that I understand the 248 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: medical testimony in the Scott Peterson. 249 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: Double murder trial. 250 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: So when the baby washed up on the shore, much 251 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: as we have with the girl with a scorpion tattoo, 252 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: he looked like a mannequin. How can a dead body 253 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: look like a mannequin? 254 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 5: Nancy, That's a very good idea. The reason is is 255 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 5: because when a body is preserved in water, especially coomer water, 256 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 5: it's going to actually help to preserve that body. But 257 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 5: once it comes out of the water and it touches air, 258 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 5: then decomposition set sen fairly rapid. So in this case, 259 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 5: just like in Connor's case, the uterus as well as 260 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 5: being in the cooler water help protect him, as it 261 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 5: did with the girl with the scopion tattoo. 262 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: Wow, just like that, you explained the whole thing away, 263 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: doctor Duprie. 264 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: Could we go through. 265 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: Some of these injuries beaten, strangled, burned, handcuffed, stripped, blunt 266 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: forced trauma to the head that's killing her like three 267 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: times over, Doctor Duprie, how do you determine a cause 268 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: of death and all that trauma to the body. 269 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 5: It is nancy, this is overkill. I mean, somebody wanted 270 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 5: one of this person dead very badly. Handcuffing obviously was 271 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 5: to keep her restrained. We can tell most of the 272 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 5: time whether she was beaten to death or strangled first. 273 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 5: Most likely obviously she was burned last. But when someone 274 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 5: is beaten, there's something called a vital reaction. And even 275 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 5: though the body has been in the water, look at 276 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 5: the tissues and see if there is a quote, vital 277 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 5: reaction or blood in those tissues. If so, then that 278 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 5: body was most likely at least still partially alive when 279 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 5: they were beaten strangled. Of course, we look for things 280 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 5: like particular hemorrhages in the eyes and that sort of thing. 281 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: Okay, you're going to have to say all that again, 282 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: please so we can understand it. When you were saying. 283 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 5: A vital what a vital reaction? 284 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: So you mean bleeding and bruising. 285 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: Yes, those are both vital reactions as it relates to 286 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: a human body. 287 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: Now, if the. 288 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: Person, if the girl with a scorpion tattoo, was already dead, 289 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: you would not expect any bleeding or bruising to the body. 290 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 5: Why that's correct. You would not expect it in the 291 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 5: same areas. Of course, blood could seep out from after 292 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 5: you're dead, but it isn't going to be pumping through 293 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 5: your organs, and so blood found in tissues can be 294 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 5: this vital reaction, which means the person was still alive 295 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 5: at the time that injury occurs. 296 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: And regular people talk was your day. Your heart's no 297 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: longer beating, it's no longer pumping blood. So if you 298 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: are beaten or stabbed postmortem, after death, there's not going 299 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: to be a lot of blood and there's not going 300 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: to be any bruising because there's no blood to cause. 301 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: Either of those quote vital reactions. Is that right? 302 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 5: That's correct. 303 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about Karen Stark the psychological aspect 304 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: of this young girl with the scorpion tattoo being handcuffed. 305 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 3: What if anything does that tell you? 306 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: It tells me that something awful has happened, Nancy, because. 307 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: You know what, anybody, the guy walking down the street 308 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: can tell me that, I already know something horrible happened. 309 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: She's bludging, she's burned, she's handcuffed, she's strangled. 310 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: I was looking for a little bit more. You're the 311 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: trained psychologist, and she was not able. 312 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 4: To descend herself. She had no ability to get this 313 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: person to whoever it may be, offer her. That's what 314 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 4: I think about when I think about handcuffs. I mean, 315 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 4: that's it. You're dead if someone is beating you. 316 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: Just trying to think this through. 317 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen joining me, high profile lawyer out of the 318 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, former prosecutor, and you can find them on 319 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Facebook at Darryl B. 320 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: Cohen co h E n Darryl. 321 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: You've prosecuted and defended a lot of murder cases. But 322 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: that is just an added fact you don't normally find 323 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: when you find your victim has been handcuffed. 324 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 10: Nancy. It's unbelievable when a victim has been handcuffed. What 325 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 10: does that tell you? It tells you is that the 326 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 10: person or persons who's after that victim, who destroyed that victim, 327 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 10: is going to make sure they suffer, is going to 328 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 10: make sure that they die in a way that the 329 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 10: the perpetrator wants them to die. Very unusual. It's not 330 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 10: a crime of passion, it's a crime of I'm going 331 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 10: to do it, and this is how I'm going to 332 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 10: do it. This didn't just happen, It happened in advance. 333 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: Well, another thing, Darryl. 334 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: It has to do with what what has happened to 335 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: the victim in that. Yes, I know she's been murdered 336 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: three times over, she's been beaten, she's been burned, she's 337 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: been strangled. Okay, but the handcuff aspect means she was disabled. 338 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: The perp went to the extent of disabling her. In 339 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: other words, he didn't sneak up on her and an 340 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: alley and bopera in the head and raper and run. 341 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: He went. 342 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: And I say yes because statistically, and jump in Dodgor debrief, 343 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Statistically, this killer is a man. He went 344 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: to great lengths, to a great extent, to disable her, 345 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: so she couldn't fight back, so she couldn't get away, 346 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: and yet he still killed her three times over. 347 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 3: That tells me a lot about the mind the killer Nancy. 348 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 10: He was furious, he was so mad. It's something she 349 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 10: did or he perceived that she did. That he had 350 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 10: to make sure that she was dead, dead, dead and 351 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 10: hurting and terrorized. 352 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: You know, with me. 353 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: Jason Jensen, high profile private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations, 354 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: what would you do as soon as you see this body? 355 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: What would be the first thing investigators should. 356 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 8: Do well in this particular case. In light of the 357 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 8: fact that she was cuffed, this is clearly somebody that 358 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 8: had restrained her. This was premeditated. So who would want 359 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 8: to abductor likely where would they take this person? You know, 360 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 8: the victim, and how do they commit this crime? You're 361 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 8: going to want to try and retrace the last steps 362 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 8: that she had that were known for the victim and 363 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 8: see who she interacted with. We know that her type 364 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 8: of injuries were blunt first trauma, and they found on 365 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 8: the murder weapon underneath her body. What kind of weapon 366 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 8: was used, what kind of professional use is that kind 367 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 8: of weapon? 368 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: And what idiot would leave the murder weapon under the body. 369 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: But here, I agree with everything you just said, Jason Jensen. 370 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: Here's the problem. We can't trace her footsteps because we 371 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: don't know. 372 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: Who she is. 373 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: So how can we say, oh, where was Jackie last night? 374 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: You know what, I'll call her son and find out. 375 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: I'll get her cell phone and see who you call last. 376 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: I'll look at the NAP system on her car. 377 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 3: We don't know who this woman is. 378 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: To look at anything we don't have any indication of 379 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: who she is, But what do we know? 380 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut six. 381 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: This is David Nilsen, a criminal investigator. 382 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: Listen discovery. 383 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 11: She was wearing the dress, speakers, She had two gold 384 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 11: chains on and a ring launch. She also had a 385 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 11: squoby attention on her right buttox. 386 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: Based on witnesses. 387 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 11: Accounts, body had been a deceit from at least six 388 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 11: PM to ninety for finger Prince entered into state local 389 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 11: databases for identification purposes. Sketches of the victim, her tattoo 390 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 11: and jewelry were just seventy into the public via cap 391 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 11: and names we utilized during the closenest investigation and attempts 392 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 11: to identify our victory. 393 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: Okay too, Darryl Cohen, high profile defense attorney joining us 394 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. But former felony prosecutor. Why 395 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: would you disseminate her clothing and her jewelry. Well, she 396 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: didn't have a whole lot of clothing left. She was 397 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: partially nude, but her watch, anything that she was. 398 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: Wearing, was the significance of that. 399 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 10: Well, there could be any number of reasons that we 400 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 10: have to get into the mind of the perp we 401 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 10: have to get into and I say his and I 402 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 10: agree with you, and I don't think it was multiple people. 403 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 10: I think it was one. We have to get in 404 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 10: their mind. Why are they doing what they're doing? Why 405 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 10: did they do this? I don't know, Nancy, because there's 406 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 10: so many reasons that it could have been. It could 407 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 10: be that they're jealous of her, they want the jewelry. 408 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 10: I can't believe she's doing so well. I hate it. 409 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 10: She did something to me, she did something to my family. 410 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 10: There are so many reasons, and we have to know 411 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 10: more before I can even continue to speculate. It's just 412 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 10: too much at this point. 413 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: Nancy, is that Karen started jompaning Karen. 414 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 5: No, it's doctor pray. So the other thing is when 415 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 5: we examined that body, when we removed that body from 416 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 5: the crime, saying, I have actually seen cases where the 417 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 5: perpetrator left a perfectly preserved footprint under the body, because 418 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 5: they'll dump the body and they'll roll it over and 419 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: they will just cover up their own footprint. So we 420 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 5: need to search that scene and everything around it as well. 421 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: Oh, that's a really really good point. That's a really 422 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: good point because he's already left the murder weapon. 423 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: What was it? Was it a hammer in cole Parton. 424 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 6: That's right, he left the hammer, which is a thirteen 425 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 6: inch body shop hammer. They found that underneath that body, 426 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 6: the hammer was incribed with a name and initials, and 427 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 6: so clearly someone wasn't thinking that through. 428 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 10: They left not only. 429 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 6: The weapon, but the weapon has a name inscribed on it. 430 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: What's the name and initial place. 431 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 6: Lloyd and then the letter L Lloyd. 432 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: L l lyd capital L got it Lloyd L. You 433 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: know about the jewelry When I was thinking about that, 434 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: Jason Jensen, private investigator. For instance, my grandmother Lucy, who 435 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: helped raise me, gave me her engagement ring before she 436 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: passed away, and it's a very it's a diamond and 437 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: it's been reset in like a Victorian What do you 438 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: call that diamond shape? Marquis shape thing? Anyway, it's unique 439 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: if somebody's small, but it's unique if my body couldn't 440 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: be identified, and I hope that never happens. If someone 441 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: saw that engagement ring, they could identify it. So that 442 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: is why very often clothing or jewelry found on an 443 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: unidentified victim will be released and disseminated. 444 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 8: Correct. The whole point is hopefully the information will get 445 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 8: out to the right individual and the public that's familiar 446 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 8: with the tattoo, the jewelry, warned by the victim the clothing, 447 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 8: and be able to come forward and say, hey, I 448 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 8: think you're describing this person a friend of mine or 449 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 8: a family member. 450 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle dupre joining me forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former 451 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: detective A. Dmichelle MD dot com. Doctor Dupree, have you 452 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: ever worked with a face reconstructionist on a victim that 453 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: nobody could identify? 454 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 5: Yes, I have Nancy, and it's fascinating. 455 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: I have two. 456 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: And it was really critical improving a Jane Doe murder 457 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: for me because guess what, doctor Dupree, the journey really 458 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: fell out as they should have when I put her 459 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: the victim's reconstructive sketch done by one of these artists 460 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: up beside the defendant's girlfriend that he tried to strangle. 461 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: They look like twins, no relation, and it was I mean, 462 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: even to just a lawyer like myself, I could see 463 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: the connection between those two women. 464 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: They look so much alike. How does that happen? 465 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: How do you when you've got a body that's starting 466 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: to decompose. How do you make a facial reconstruction sketch? 467 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 5: Well, you can do the sketch, or you could do 468 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 5: actually a likeness where you take the skull and then 469 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 5: recreate the skull or the face of that person out 470 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 5: of clay, and that is also very effective. The purpose 471 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 5: is not to make it identical to the victim, but 472 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 5: to trigger someone's mind and oh gosh, that looks like 473 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 5: so and so, and to generate leads from that. 474 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: Has anybody today told you that you're amazing, doctor Duprey, 475 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: because they shouldn't. You're just every time you can say anything, 476 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: I have to kind of digest it. I'm looking at 477 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: the girl with the scorpion tattoos face sketch, and she's 478 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: got the gold. 479 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 3: Nachel says, it's a really good sketch. 480 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: By the way, So you can't find out who did 481 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: it until you find out who she is. 482 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: Guys, take a listen to this. 483 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 12: She was unidentified until recently. Investigators in the Staten Island 484 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 12: DA's office used familial DNA and public DNA databases to 485 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 12: identify her. We sat down exclusively with the Staten Island 486 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 12: DA's office today to discuss the case and their mission 487 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 12: to still find her killer. The name engraved on the hammer, 488 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 12: Lloyd l has not given them any leads up to 489 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 12: this point, but they say they're not giving up. 490 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 9: And the men and women who work in my office, 491 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 9: to prosecutors and investigators, don't give up, and they fight 492 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 9: every day to bring justice to the victims of crime. 493 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends at ABC, but now 494 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: take a listen to the investigator, the criminal investigator, David Nielsen. 495 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 11: In twenty nineteen, d mcvah made a decision to start 496 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 11: the path of geneology research. The Richmond County District Attorney's 497 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 11: Office collectively worked with the FBI, the NYPD, the Medical 498 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 11: Examiner's Office, and what from forensics law. 499 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: Joining me right now is an extremely talented geneticist. 500 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 3: It's Sharah Lapointe. 501 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: She's known as the gene Hunter and you can find 502 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: her at the gene hunter dot com. And I say gene, 503 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean gne the gene hunter who has done amazing work. 504 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: Cheryl LaPoint thank you so much for. 505 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: Being with us. 506 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: Explain what they're saying in terms we can understand. 507 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 13: So what they're saying is, you know, defite all the 508 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 13: work that was done on this case before forensic genetic 509 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 13: genealogy is what was actually able to identify her. 510 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 8: And. 511 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 13: The DNA that they retrieved from her body was used 512 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 13: to actually pull a profile, even though it was almost 513 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 13: thirty years prior that they had retrieved that DNA, and 514 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 13: they were able to make a profile that was suitable 515 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 13: to be used in genetic genealogy, and that profile is 516 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 13: put into these websites that are that allow law enforcement 517 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 13: to use family treat DNA or JED match, and you 518 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 13: will find DNA matches relatives of the person you're looking for, 519 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 13: and we find a recent common ancestor amongst all these 520 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 13: DNA matches, and we build reverse family trees, so we 521 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 13: may be going back to a second or third grade 522 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 13: grandparent couple and building down to the time of that 523 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 13: person's age and place to figure out who the person 524 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 13: might be. 525 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand with me, is a so called 526 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: Jane Hunter Sharah Lapointe. Sharah, you you get the unidentified 527 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: victims DNA, then can you isolate the mom and dad 528 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: or you just build out what do you mean, you 529 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: build out a family tree? 530 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 13: Okay, so when we get the DNA, we won't necessarily 531 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 13: know who the mother and dad. Is what we will 532 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 13: know is people who are DNA matches to this person. 533 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 13: So if you were a DNA match to this person 534 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 13: and I was a DNA match to this person, it's 535 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 13: my job to figure out how you and I may 536 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 13: connect and we may be second cousins and share a 537 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 13: set of grains grandparents. So that's the point where I 538 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 13: would start the tree from that couple, and then I 539 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 13: would look at their children and who they married and 540 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 13: tried to incorporate as many of these DNA matches that 541 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 13: come up to build this family tree. 542 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm getting it. 543 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to take a listen not only 544 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: to the criminal investigator David Nilsen, but also to our 545 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: friends at NBC. 546 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 11: As a result of genealogy research combined with dedicated investing 547 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 11: anti work, Christine Mlusko was identified in April of twenty 548 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 11: twenty one as our HONEYCRI. 549 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 14: A woman found dead on Staten Island has now been identified. 550 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 14: Investigators say Christine Velusko was hit with a hammer more 551 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 14: than a dozen times and then set on fire. Her 552 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 14: body was found in a vacant lot in the Ocean 553 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 14: Breeze area. She had this distinctive scorpion tattoo, but authorities 554 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 14: were not able to positively id her until they could 555 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 14: use her DNA to trace her genealogy. Police have since 556 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 14: located and interviewed Belusko's brother, and they also learned she 557 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 14: had a young daughter named Krista Nicole. That daughter would 558 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 14: be around thirty four years old now, and police are 559 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 14: working to find her. 560 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace back to a Crime online 561 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Nicole Parton, So Christine Mlusko did 562 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: not move to Florida. 563 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 6: That's correct, she did not, even though that's what she 564 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 6: had told her family. She did not make it to Florida. 565 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 6: Something clearly horrible happened between her leaving, which was in July, 566 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 6: and then her body is found in set Timber, So 567 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 6: something really bad happened just between those couple of months. 568 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: So all this time the family is thinking, Wow, we 569 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: hurt her so badly by not telling her she was adopted, 570 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: that she's now gone years without speaking to us. She's 571 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: started a whole new life without us. So they spend 572 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, a psychologist. They spend all these years devastated 573 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: that they ran her out of their lives when in 574 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: fact she's the girl they read about with the scorpion tattoo. 575 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 4: Exactly, Nancy. If you consider, just think about it, that 576 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 4: one of the twins gets terrible news, goes away, plans 577 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 4: to come back again, and then never returns. As a parent, 578 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 4: it's devastating because you keep thinking I'm going to hear 579 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 4: from this person. You will have to assume that your 580 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 4: child is still alive and that they don't want to 581 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 4: be in touch with you. That's a killer. 582 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: It's so painful to think that they lived thinking they 583 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: had run her away when all the time she was 584 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: the girl that they had read about in the newspapers. 585 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: Now take a listen to the elected district Attorney, Michael 586 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: McMahon and our friends at ABC. 587 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 15: This is now the time that we ask the public 588 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 15: for its help. We have pretty much run down all 589 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 15: the leads we can and trying to locate individuals who 590 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 15: would know Kristen to call and any of the leads 591 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 15: that may help us in solving the underlying crime. 592 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 3: The daughter would be in her thirties. 593 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 16: Now, if you have any information, you are asked to 594 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 16: call the police. 595 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: Wow, Nicole Parton, what about the tattoo? Itself. When did 596 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: that happen? And if anything, can that tell us. 597 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 6: We don't know when the tattoo happened. What we do 598 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 6: know is that her family didn't know about the tattoos. 599 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 6: So when they're hearing this in the news for all 600 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 6: all of these years, the girl with a scorpion tattoo, 601 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 6: they had no idea that she had the scorpion tattoo 602 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 6: on her right buttock area, So they were never imagining 603 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 6: that it was their daughter, their sister. 604 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 3: No one knew about it. 605 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: So now we know that she was murdered. But we're 606 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: forgetting someone take a listen to our cut fifteen. 607 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 11: Christine's last known address was in Clifton, New Jersey. She 608 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 11: lived there until late July. She was a longtime resident 609 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 11: of New Jersey, and investigators know that she was staying 610 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 11: in a Mountinairy lodge near Mount Pocono in the weeks 611 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 11: before her death. In June of twenty twenty one, Christine's 612 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,479 Speaker 11: brother was interviewed and was informed of his sister's death. 613 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 11: During the interview, we were made aware that Christine had 614 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 11: a daughter who was born on August first of nineteen 615 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 11: eighty nine. 616 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 3: The birth name of that. 617 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 1: Child was Kristin Nicole So Nicole Parton joining us from 618 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: crimeonline dot com. We're not looking only for the mother's killer, 619 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: for Christine Belusko's killer, we're looking for her little girl. 620 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 3: What happened to her? What do we know about that? 621 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 6: Absolutely? And that's the thing. She was two years old 622 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 6: at the time of her mother's death and disappearance. She 623 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 6: was last seen about a week prior to this by 624 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 6: a friend of her mother's at this mount Airy lodge 625 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 6: in the Poconos. So we know that someone saw the 626 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 6: little girl about a week before this crime took place, 627 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 6: but she has not been seen or heard from since. 628 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 6: There was no sign of her at the crime scene. 629 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 6: It's as if she vanished into thin air. 630 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: Cheryl Lapointe joining us, author of the Jeane Hunter, and 631 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: you can find her at the Jeenehunter dot com. Cheryl, 632 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: What if anything can DNA do to find Christine's daughter? 633 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 13: Krista So Nancy that that's a very difficult situation because 634 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 13: unless the daughter's DNA is in one of these systems 635 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 13: or one of her children, if she has a child, 636 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 13: it would be very very hard for DNA to identify her. 637 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 13: I mean, she would either have to have been put 638 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 13: in CODIS for some reason, or submitted her DNA to 639 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 13: one of the direct to consumer DNA site just for 640 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 13: genealogy purposes. 641 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 6: You know, often people who. 642 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 3: Are adopted do that. 643 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 13: If she, if she knows she was adopted, then possibly 644 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 13: she would do that. But if if that's not the case, 645 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 13: it would be very, very difficult to identify her. 646 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: Just trying to take this all in, the scenario has 647 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: changed drastically, Darryl Cohen. We're not just looking for a 648 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: killer of brutal killer, but we're looking for the baby. 649 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 10: It's unbelievable, Nancy. It is possible, as I think through this, 650 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 10: that whoever murdered the mother may have taken the baby, 651 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 10: may have made sure that that now thirty two years 652 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 10: older baby is in their custody, not custodial, but custody. 653 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 10: May have done that, and looking for that baby may 654 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 10: be impossible. Wow, may absolutely be impossible. 655 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: Okay, Jason Gisons joining me, private investigator, what do you 656 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: do to find the baby? 657 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 8: You know there's some clues here that you could follow 658 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 8: to possibly find this baby, because now you know we're 659 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 8: talking to an adult female. At one point, we know 660 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 8: that law enforcement release a composite, you know, with age progression, 661 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 8: that's a possibility. The others are We know from our 662 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 8: experi speriences in hunting cases and you know killers and 663 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 8: cold cases that these kind of scenarios where the victim 664 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 8: is beaten the way that she was, that it may 665 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 8: be domestic violence, you know, in a familial setting where 666 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 8: maybe there was a custody to speak through over the child. 667 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't heard anything about who the father is. 668 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right on Nicole parn Do we have any 669 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: idea who the biodad was this child? 670 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 10: We don't. 671 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 6: And when her when Christine's brother was questioned and he's 672 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 6: the one who told authorities that she had a daughter, 673 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 6: he said he too did not have a clue who 674 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 6: the father was. 675 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, guys, take a listen to Maurice Dubois, our 676 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: friend at CBS. 677 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 16: Investigators breathing new life into a cold case on Staten Island. Today, 678 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 16: detextas investigating the brutal murder of a woman released her identity. 679 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 16: They say she was Christine Bulusko of Marris County, New Jersey. 680 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 16: She was brutally beaten, strangled, and burned in the woods 681 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 16: on Seaview avenue. Investigators had been unable to uncover her 682 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 16: identity all these years until now using forensic genealogy. Now 683 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 16: they say they want to track her down, track her 684 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 16: down her daughter, who was two years old at the 685 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 16: time of Belasco's death. 686 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: Where is the baby now a grown woman, if she survived. 687 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Krista 688 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: Nicole Belusko, age two at the time her mother was 689 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: brutally murdered, please dial the tip line seven one eight 690 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: five five six seven zero eight five repeat seven one 691 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: eight five five six seven zero eight five. 692 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 3: We wait as just as un falls. Goodbye, friend,