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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week and Beyond Contact,
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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
Speaker 4: we're going to be speaking with Attorney Mark Anthony. Mark's
Speaker 4: a psychic explorer and he's known as the Psychic Lawyer.
Speaker 4: He is the fourth generation psychic medium who communicates with spirits.
Speaker 4: He is an Oxford educated attorney licensed a practice law
Speaker 4: in Florida, Washington, d c. And before the United States
Speaker 4: Supreme Court. He recently won the Omy Award for the
Speaker 4: Best Psychic Medium. He's also very well versed in UFO
Speaker 4: cases and has even traveled to mystical locations in remote
Speaker 4: corners of the world to examine ancient mysteries and supernatural phenomenon.
Speaker 4: Hey Mark, good to see you again, brother.
Speaker 5: Hey Captain Ron, it's great to be here and thanks
Speaker 5: for having me on Beyond Contact.
Speaker 6: Absolutely looking forward to it tonight.
Speaker 4: Let's start off, brother, talking about the Pasca Lucas case,
Speaker 4: because that just passed the fifty first anniversary, which was
Speaker 4: on Friday the eleventh, fifty one years ago. So I
Speaker 4: think that that is a very very important case. It's
Speaker 4: a strong case, and I find both Calvin Parker and
Speaker 4: Charles Hickson to be very credible. They're very real guys.
Speaker 4: They're down to earth, you know, they tip polygraph tests.
Speaker 4: They've stuck to their story to their death. I think
Speaker 4: you knew Calvin right.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 5: I considered Calvin a friend and I got to know him.
Speaker 5: I was interviewing him for a podcast that I was
Speaker 5: working on, and I would call him up and i'd
Speaker 5: talk to him, and we just hit it off really well,
Speaker 5: and I actually did a reading for him as a
Speaker 5: psychic medium. I did a reading for him, and we'll
Speaker 5: get into that a little bit later. But Calvin, like
Speaker 5: you indicated, is considered. Calvin and Charles Hickson are considered
Speaker 5: the most credible alien abductees on record. And back in
Speaker 5: October eleventh, nineteen seventy three, nineteen year old Calvin Parker
Speaker 5: and forty two year old Charles Hickson, they were family friends.
Speaker 5: They went fishing in Pascagoula, Mississippi, and Calvin is the trip.
Speaker 5: He goes, you know, there's one thing you don't mess
Speaker 5: with from a boy from Pascagoula, and that's his fishing pole,
Speaker 5: you know. So they're a real serious fishermen. And so
Speaker 5: there they are fishing. It's in the afternoon and he
Speaker 5: said suddenly this large metallic object. Says, it looked like
Speaker 5: he was about one hundred feet long, shape like a football,
Speaker 5: was a silver colored. He said they were terrified and
Speaker 5: they wanted to run, but it hit him with this
Speaker 5: light and he said neither of them could move, and
Speaker 5: then out of it came these these three entities. He said,
Speaker 5: they had like lobster claws. He said, they look like
Speaker 5: robots and they grabbed us and he said they brought
Speaker 5: us on board. Now, he said, they separated Charles from me,
Speaker 5: and then they put me on this table and thented
Speaker 5: him with something. He said that that calmed him down.
Speaker 5: There was a what he believed was a humanoid woman
Speaker 5: seemed to be the commander, and he said she was
Speaker 5: in you know, pardon me if I mimic. Calvin goes,
Speaker 5: that was the most beautiful woman I've ever seen, he goes, mark,
Speaker 5: if I was in a bar, I would have talked
Speaker 5: to her. But he said one thing that was really freaky, said,
Speaker 5: the two middle fingers on each hand had these long protrusions.
Speaker 5: He said, it looked like something from a reptile. And
Speaker 5: he said when she communicated with the robotics, she made
Speaker 5: these croaking sounds, sound like kind of like a bullfrog
Speaker 5: or an alligator, and the robotic entities powered down. He said,
Speaker 5: this device came out of the ceiling and it started
Speaker 5: making these clicking noises all over his body. Long story short.
Speaker 5: Later on, he and Charles, the robotics dumped them off
Speaker 5: right back where they were, and they made a promise
Speaker 5: to each other not to say anything to anybody. Well,
Speaker 5: of course they and that that night they went to
Speaker 5: the Sheriff's department. And this has come out in more
Speaker 5: recent years because you know, obviously it hit world news
Speaker 5: and a lot of people were scoffing at them. But
Speaker 5: they were examined by a doctor and the doctor did
Speaker 5: notice strange puncture marks all over both of their bodies,
Speaker 5: which is in conformity with them saying that they were
Speaker 5: probed and things were injected into them. Calvin said, you know, Mark,
Speaker 5: you don't get rich going around saying you get abducted
Speaker 5: by aliens. And he said, the last thing I wanted
Speaker 5: to do was something like this two weeks before I
Speaker 5: was getting married, you know, so yeah, he said, he goes, Mark,
Speaker 5: do you have any idea of the way my in
Speaker 5: laws looked at me for the rest of my life?
Speaker 5: And he said it just created a complete, complete disaster
Speaker 5: in his life. Charles Hickson, on the other hand, went
Speaker 5: very public with it, ended up on The Tonight Show
Speaker 5: hosted by Johnny Carson at the time, you know, to
Speaker 5: become a celebrity. But as you indicated, over the years,
Speaker 5: they were both subjected to polygraph light detector test, interrogation,
Speaker 5: truth seerium, sodium pentathole, hypnotherapy and in all of that,
Speaker 5: as long as Charles Hickson lived, and right up until
Speaker 5: before Calvin lived, no deception. So when they're being subjected
Speaker 5: to the most exact forms of interrogation and means of
Speaker 5: ascertaining the truth and they passed it consistently. And being
Speaker 5: an attorney, I'm used to questioning people, but I wasn't
Speaker 5: there to interrogate Calvin. I got to know him. What
Speaker 5: a nice man. He's a man of faith. He was
Speaker 5: a good person. He said it was terrifying, and I
Speaker 5: asked him. I said, well, I hear that abductees, many
Speaker 5: of the abductees that I've encountered, say that this has
Speaker 5: happened to them multiple times. And he said, yeah, they
Speaker 5: came back for me.
Speaker 6: Oh he did.
Speaker 5: See.
Speaker 6: That's not really well known. Did he actually have another encounter?
Speaker 5: Oh, yes he did, And he said twenty years later,
Speaker 5: he was in his truck by himself and.
Speaker 6: He goes, dag nab it.
Speaker 5: There it was again, he said, the big metallic object
Speaker 5: and he goes and then that white light hit me
Speaker 5: and those robotic things yanked me out of my truck,
Speaker 5: he said, But this time he goes, I was mad,
Speaker 5: and so they brought him on board and he goes,
Speaker 5: and there she was again, that beautiful woman, and he
Speaker 5: goes nic shoved her as hard as I could.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: When he shoved her, he said, it looked like this
Speaker 5: projection over her body faded for a minute, and he
Speaker 5: said there was this reptile like creature under it, and
Speaker 5: then the facade reformed, and so as he described it,
Speaker 5: it sounded like some type of holographic projection. And he said, well,
Speaker 5: heck yeah, he goes, if that lizard thing came walking
Speaker 5: up to me.
Speaker 6: And I've been terrified.
Speaker 5: Instead, it was the most for me, the most sexually
Speaker 5: attractive beautiful woman I've ever seen, he said. But once
Speaker 5: he got violent, those robotics came off the wall, grabbed him,
Speaker 5: slammed him down, roughed him up, and he said, the
Speaker 5: next thing he knew, he was back in his truck.
Speaker 6: But she was mad, which when he went at her,
Speaker 6: she was angry.
Speaker 5: She sure was, and she said, those robots and it
Speaker 5: is going to call him robots on him. And then
Speaker 5: he said, after that second experience, his health began to
Speaker 5: decline steadily and then he developed cancer and I said,
Speaker 5: do you think they did something to you?
Speaker 4: He said, yes, I do. That's very interesting. I wonder
Speaker 4: if that, of course, that's possible. I mean, it's so
Speaker 4: hard to know. Are there other effects that he had after.
Speaker 5: Most certainly as a former prosecutor and criminal offense attorney
Speaker 5: and victim's advocate. The focus my life is now on
Speaker 5: my spiritual work, my paranormal investigation, near death experience in
Speaker 5: afterlife research, and of course my mediumship. And Calvin fit
Speaker 5: the profile of somebody suffering from post traumatic stress disorder PTSD.
Speaker 5: He also showed the same type of PTS symptoms of
Speaker 5: somebody of rape victims. And I'm not saying that they
Speaker 5: raped him, but it's that obtruption, trauma, the feeling of powerlessness,
Speaker 5: the violation of your body with all these probes, and
Speaker 5: he said it just he couldn't sleep. He said it
Speaker 5: created so many problems in his life. He said, I
Speaker 5: didn't get rich off this in the books that he wrote.
Speaker 5: Is the proceeds that he made from his books, he
Speaker 5: donated it to charity. I mean, this was a good man.
Speaker 4: And he didn't want to profit from this. To show
Speaker 4: that they were doing this for the money. He absolutely
Speaker 4: said that, which is really really important. You know another thing,
Speaker 4: you said that he had these things. I think Charles
Speaker 4: Hickson's wife said that he was never the same, that
Speaker 4: Charles was never the same, and neither was she.
Speaker 5: That makes a lot of sense, because when you're involved
Speaker 5: with somebody that's gone through a horrific trauma and they change,
Speaker 5: it's going to change the dynamic of your relationship. It's
Speaker 5: going to change every thing about it. A ordinary, average
Speaker 5: joe kind of a guy. I mean, this was two
Speaker 5: weeks before a nineteen year old was going to get married,
Speaker 5: and the next thing it's all over world news that
Speaker 5: he's been abducted by robots from a flying saucer. How
Speaker 5: do you think that went down with I think it's incredible.
Speaker 6: What about it?
Speaker 4: Didn't he have like something with protein or cravings? Was
Speaker 4: it salt to or just protein?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Assault in protein. I've done readings for a number of
Speaker 5: alien abductees. Well, this is not the first time that
Speaker 5: this has come up. Every time I've done a reading
Speaker 5: for somebody who claims to have been an alien abductee,
Speaker 5: their loved ones and spirit ron always come through and
Speaker 5: talk about the protein and so then I contacted Calvin
Speaker 5: and I asked him about about the protein, and that
Speaker 5: came up in his reading. He goes, Mark, I can't
Speaker 5: get enough of it. Sausage, ham burger, steaks, you name it,
Speaker 5: can't get enough protein.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna have to say great.
Speaker 4: Here when we come back, we're going to talk to
Speaker 4: Mark about the Roswell case and we'll pick it up there.
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're talking to Mark
Speaker 4: Anthony about UFO cases. Mark, my favorite case of all
Speaker 4: time is the Roswell case. And I know that's a
Speaker 4: little bit cliche because a lot of people use Roswell
Speaker 4: and they say it all the time, But I just
Speaker 4: love how much supporting evidence this case has. There's all
Speaker 4: these little details that all kind of fall into place
Speaker 4: and line up to this nice narrative. What do you
Speaker 4: think about this case?
Speaker 5: I think Roswell is an extremely significant event in world history,
Speaker 5: and I'm glad that it keeps being brought up, and
Speaker 5: I think that it's high time the entire world know
Speaker 5: exactly what happened here.
Speaker 6: Mark, tell me how you're connected to Roswell.
Speaker 5: For the benefit of the listeners that may not be
Speaker 5: fully aware of Roswell, let me give a very brief summation.
Speaker 5: In early July nineteen forty seven, and that's why July
Speaker 5: is World UFO month and July second is World UFO
Speaker 5: Day because of Roswell. But in early July nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 5: roughly seventy five miles north of Roswell, New Mexico, this
Speaker 5: rancher by the name of Mac Brazil found a debris
Speaker 5: field of really weird metal and it was shiny, and
Speaker 5: he didn't know what to make of it, so he
Speaker 5: brought pieces of it to the sheriff, who notified the
Speaker 5: Roswell Army airfield and the Roswell Daily Record, the local newspaper,
Speaker 5: broke a story that a flying saucer crashed and that
Speaker 5: the army had it, and the Army initially said yes,
Speaker 5: they had recovered a flying saucer. Well, immediately the Pentagon
Speaker 5: stepped in and said no, it was a weather balloon.
Speaker 5: They covered it up they said it was all mistaken,
Speaker 5: and according to many sources, non human bodies were recovered
Speaker 5: from the scene. All of the metal that the sheriff
Speaker 5: had that the army had was confiscated by the Pentagon.
Speaker 5: What's really fascinating about this is that for a while
Speaker 5: that seemed to take care of things and sort of
Speaker 5: sated the public desire, but inquiring journalists still didn't believe it.
Speaker 5: Plus there was too many locals who saw very weird
Speaker 5: things there. Well, about twelve years later, it was nineteen
Speaker 5: fifty nine, there was this young aerospace engineer and he
Speaker 5: had just recently earned a top secret security clearance, and
Speaker 5: he had been in the Navy and he was one
Speaker 5: of the first Navy seals underwater demolition team. He earned
Speaker 5: his top secret security clearance, and he was taken with
Speaker 5: a special team to a laboratory in California. So there
Speaker 5: he was with the vice president of the company that
Speaker 5: he was working with, which I believe at the time
Speaker 5: was Reaction Motor, and I believe it eventually became Morton Thiacol.
Speaker 5: And he said that there were some generals there and
Speaker 5: all these scientists. So here they are in this laboratory,
Speaker 5: and they said we're going to show you something, and
Speaker 5: they were growing silicon chips, and the vice president and
Speaker 5: the scientists were explaining, this is the greatest leap forward
Speaker 5: in electronics technology since the invention of the light bulb,
Speaker 5: because nineteen fifty nine, because ron at the time, transistors
Speaker 5: were being used to amplify electrical signals, and which makes
Speaker 5: sense because it's an electronic device. But it's a series
Speaker 5: of wires and you can see how going from a
Speaker 5: light bulb wires fuses transistors. But now growing silicon chips,
Speaker 5: it takes a month to grow the chip and then
Speaker 5: it has to be folded and folded. It's an extremely
Speaker 5: elaborate process. And the engineer said, where in the world
Speaker 5: did we get the idea to do this? And the
Speaker 5: vice president of the company said, well, that's just it.
Speaker 5: It didn't come from this world. Because a few years
Speaker 5: ago something happened in Roswell, New Mexico, and the Pentagon
Speaker 5: brought all of us in there. They covered it up,
Speaker 5: said it was was a weather balloon. Now, this young
Speaker 5: engineer's name was Earl, but I knew him as Dad
Speaker 5: no way, Yeah, and the thing is my dad and
Speaker 5: I we had a really good relationship and we would
Speaker 5: always talk about space and space travel because he was
Speaker 5: in aerospace. He worked with Chuck Jeger, He worked he
Speaker 5: was one of the brains that helped figure out how
Speaker 5: to get Apollo thirteen back after it was damaged.
Speaker 6: In fact, and he was a Navy sealing.
Speaker 5: Guy, yeah, you know, and he when they were working
Speaker 5: on the lunar module. Because not long after this, at
Speaker 5: that company, Reaction Motor, another vice president came in and
Speaker 5: said President Kennedy will be making a speech next week
Speaker 5: about landing a man on the moon. He said, you
Speaker 5: guys have to figure out how we're going to do this.
Speaker 5: And so my dad said that when they were looking
Speaker 5: at initial schematics and plans for the lunar module, he said,
Speaker 5: it's going to come down too fast, too hard. We
Speaker 5: need to have backup engines. He called him retro rockets.
Speaker 5: And all the other engineers are laughing at him, and
Speaker 5: they were. They nicknamed him rocket Man and all this.
Speaker 5: But then the lead engineer said, Earl, what's your idea.
Speaker 5: He said, we need to have smaller thrusters, retroactive rockets
Speaker 5: that will will be gentler and will buffer the landing.
Speaker 5: So let's fast forward roughly nine years to nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 5: and buzz Aldron and Neil Armstrong or in the lunar
Speaker 5: module the Eagles the name of it, and so they're
Speaker 5: going to land on the Moon. And what happened Ron
Speaker 5: is that the lunar module overshot the landing spot by
Speaker 5: twenty miles and in so doing they burned up all
Speaker 5: of their reserve fuel. And this just came out about
Speaker 5: twenty years ago. Buzz Aldron released this. And when they landed,
Speaker 5: and of course we all know Neil Armstrong, he said,
Speaker 5: one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind,
Speaker 5: and history was made. Meanwhile, on board the lunar module,
Speaker 5: the ignition switch had broken. Buzz Aldron was the engineer,
Speaker 5: Neil Armstrong was the pilot, and Neil said to Buzz,
Speaker 5: because Buzz, can you fix this? And he said, well,
Speaker 5: we got one chance, and he took a big ballpoint
Speaker 5: pen and he unscrewed the part with the pen and
Speaker 5: the cartridge and he pulled that out. And meanwhile President
Speaker 5: Nixon had been notified and a speech had been prepared,
Speaker 5: and Nixon was ready to give it that these heroes
Speaker 5: are going to die on the Moon because they knew
Speaker 5: exactly how much oxygen that they had, So meanwhile NASA
Speaker 5: is scrambling. Buzz Aldron takes this pen and he jams
Speaker 5: it into the ignition switch, pulls it up to hear
Speaker 5: a click and boom ignition. Because they had overshot the
Speaker 5: landing spot by twenty miles, NASA engineers using slide rules
Speaker 5: had to recalculate the orbit of the lunar module so
Speaker 5: that it could synchronize and intercept and dock with the
Speaker 5: lunar module with the command module. I saw it, and
Speaker 5: I've had the honor of meeting both Neil Armstrong and
Speaker 5: buzz Aldron in my life. Amazing, and buzz alder and said,
Speaker 5: if it weren't for retro rockets, we never would have
Speaker 5: gotten off the Moon alive. And you know, Ron, it
Speaker 5: was my dad's idea. He's not in any history books.
Speaker 5: He didn't even make a footnote, but he was the
Speaker 5: one that figured it out. And my dad has has since,
Speaker 5: you know, transitioned to spirit to the other side. So
Speaker 5: in honor of my dad's legacy, I'm letting the world
Speaker 5: know it was my father, a brave, ingenious man who
Speaker 5: came up with the idea for retro rockets.
Speaker 4: That is an absolutely amazing story, how fascinating, and it
Speaker 4: made me immediately think, I wonder how many more unsung
Speaker 4: heroes are out there who have done some great thing
Speaker 4: that just sort of never gets known.
Speaker 5: Oh well, I mean the women from Hidden Figures, African
Speaker 5: American win Those women were geniuses, okay, and they were
Speaker 5: using advanced forms of geometry and telemetry that that that
Speaker 5: made our space program happened. And finally they're getting the recognition.
Speaker 5: But yeah, there's a lot of people that are part
Speaker 5: of the team, and the people like my dad, you
Speaker 5: don't go into it for fortune and glory, for personal recognition.
Speaker 5: He was part of a team. Later he left NASA
Speaker 5: and went into defense and he was working on the
Speaker 5: sam D Surface to air Missile defense contract. He was
Speaker 5: part of the team of Martin Marietta, which is now
Speaker 5: Lockheed Martin. He said they got into negotiations with the army.
Speaker 5: They said that the brightest guy there was this black
Speaker 5: general and one of the people on a break one
Speaker 5: of his team made some racist comment and my dad said,
Speaker 5: you're off the team. Take you and your racism the
Speaker 5: hell out of here. Got rid of them, all right,
Speaker 5: And then dad said. They went back in and Dad
Speaker 5: was the lead negotiator, and he said, then it was
Speaker 5: my dad against this general. And I remember he came
Speaker 5: home that night and says, man, I met the smartest
Speaker 5: general imaginable. We negotiated. He goes, we got the contract.
Speaker 5: Fast forward about ten years and my dad calls me
Speaker 5: up and he said, remember that black general that I
Speaker 5: told you about.
Speaker 6: I go, yeah.
Speaker 5: He goes, turn on the TV and on the TV
Speaker 5: Colin Powell make a speech and my dad says, that's
Speaker 5: the black general my dad squared off against Colin Powell negotiations.
Speaker 5: Said he was the best, the brightest, the smartest general
Speaker 5: he'd ever met.
Speaker 4: What an amazing guy. Wow, he's got some amazing, amazing
Speaker 4: life stories.
Speaker 6: That's great.
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to Mark
Speaker 4: about other alleged abductees and what he's learned from.
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Speaker 4: We're talking with Mark Anthony about various UFO cases in space. Mark,
Speaker 4: you've spoken to and even done readings for a lot
Speaker 4: of other people who are alleged abductees. Do you find
Speaker 4: their accounts to be very similar or do they very widely?
Speaker 5: There seems to be a similar pattern to them. I mean,
Speaker 5: certainly we talked in depth about Calvin Parker. Nancy Tremaine.
Speaker 5: She was a little girl. I think she was about
Speaker 5: six years old. This is in I believe nineteen sixty
Speaker 5: three sixty four, and she went outside in front of
Speaker 5: her house and there was this large object hovering right
Speaker 5: near her house. And she was with a friend of hers,
Speaker 5: another little girl, and the entire neighborhood was out there.
Speaker 5: There was a police car and the next thing she knew,
Speaker 5: it was several hours later and she was in bed
Speaker 5: and her parents were just horrified that she had disappeared,
Speaker 5: that she had been taken up into this UFO. She
Speaker 5: has also explained that the abductions they've come back for
Speaker 5: on a number of occasions and get this run. She said,
Speaker 5: there's the robotics, and the most handsome man she had
Speaker 5: ever seen was in charge. And she said one time
Speaker 5: he turned really quickly and it looked like the facado's
Speaker 5: face blurred for a second and there was this reptile,
Speaker 5: she says, like this alligator type creature underneath it. So
Speaker 5: we have two accounts now three actually Charles Hickson and
Speaker 5: Calvin Parker are now Nancy Tremaine both talking about reptilians,
Speaker 5: and that they use a facade to appear as the
Speaker 5: most physically attractive to the particular subject that has been abducted.
Speaker 5: And think about it makes sense.
Speaker 4: I meantle depicted in some of these films where they
Speaker 4: show like a static and then you could see underneath
Speaker 4: that there's like yeah.
Speaker 5: And that's where the writers for these things have gotten
Speaker 5: their ideas. Now, according to some of the latest theory
Speaker 5: from muffon the grays, they could be a species or
Speaker 5: they could be a biologically engineered servant of aliens, and
Speaker 5: they're the ones that come and abduct people. And all
Speaker 5: the abductees that I've encountered and done readings for, they
Speaker 5: all talk about the various probes and injections into their
Speaker 5: bodies where they're extracting material, and that material appears to
Speaker 5: be highly related to protein. Protein is vital in the
Speaker 5: human body for building and repairing tissue, but it's also
Speaker 5: essential for cloning. Through gene cloning genetic engineering, you can
Speaker 5: give a foreign gene to another species. This species internal
Speaker 5: make the protein coded for by the gene through its
Speaker 5: protein synthesis mechanisms. And I don't want to get too
Speaker 5: technical with this, but it appears. I mean, this is
Speaker 5: a theory, but according to Elmhurst University and Northern Arizona University,
Speaker 5: prothesis is essential for cloning. Also, not all amino acids
Speaker 5: are produced by the body. Certain amino acids are obtained
Speaker 5: from the diet and within the cells, proteins are generated
Speaker 5: involving what's known as transcription and translation proceeds that cells
Speaker 5: undergo to metabolize protein, which in my discussions with Moufon
Speaker 5: makes sense they're targeting specific people based on how they
Speaker 5: metabolize protein.
Speaker 4: Dare I say the word hybrid instead of cloning. Perhaps
Speaker 4: it's a hybridization.
Speaker 5: That is exactly where we're going with this very good ron.
Speaker 5: One thing I've always been impressed about you is you're
Speaker 5: the sharpest tack in the alien box. Yeah, the alien
Speaker 5: human hybridization program. Now, we certainly saw this in that
Speaker 5: series X Files, which back in the day I used
Speaker 5: to love watching. But once again, life imitating art and
Speaker 5: the writers for these stories they certainly were aware of
Speaker 5: the books like Fire in the Sky and Calvin Parker's
Speaker 5: Accounts and so on and so forth. But there's a
Speaker 5: lot of people the abductees, including Nancy Tremaine, who told me, well,
Speaker 5: they are already here. They're among us, and that's what
Speaker 5: the hybridization program is going on. You know, it's interesting
Speaker 5: because you wonder, you know, have have you met any aliens?
Speaker 5: Have you met that strange person that seemed to know
Speaker 5: a lot of things but was rather aloof than off
Speaker 5: the grid.
Speaker 6: People who claimed that they're hybrid so hey, you never know.
Speaker 5: Move On. Thinks that the protein extraction is not just
Speaker 5: for possible study and hybridization, but it also appears, based
Speaker 5: on accounts of several abductees, that it's being made into
Speaker 5: a paste which the grays slather on their bodies because
Speaker 5: that's how they absorb nutrients. So they are extracting protein
Speaker 5: from humans and also from cattle, the butcher cattle that
Speaker 5: are found all over the world, usually near crop circles,
Speaker 5: as a food source. And this is very disconcerting because
Speaker 5: some abductees claim, and you'll have to check Crystaperno on this,
Speaker 5: but some abductees claim that while they are on board,
Speaker 5: they saw human body parts like you would see in
Speaker 5: a slaughter house. But for some reason, these people proteins
Speaker 5: being extracted from them. But other people, it's been taken
Speaker 5: to an even greater extent, and how many worldwide one
Speaker 5: hundred thousand people a year or so disappear without a trace.
Speaker 6: Yeah, missing, Yeah, absolutely missing.
Speaker 5: So you know they're here, and there's more than one
Speaker 5: alien species coming to Earth. There appear to be several.
Speaker 4: One of the big issues we have is people not
Speaker 4: believing that UFOs can't get here from there.
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts about that? Well, there's two thoughts.
Speaker 5: One is that aliens are from our future. They're us
Speaker 5: maybe fifty or one hundred thousand years from now, and
Speaker 5: they have figured a way to time travel back in time.
Speaker 5: I think that's interesting. I don't necessarily subscribe to that one,
Speaker 5: but I don't rule it out the other one. According
Speaker 5: to Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, nothing can exceed the
Speaker 5: speed of light, which is one hundred and eighty six
Speaker 5: two hundred and eighty two miles per second or in
Speaker 5: metric two hundred ninety nine thousand, nine hundred and seventy
Speaker 5: four kilometers per second, I believe, and so that's an
Speaker 5: incredible speed. The closest star to Earth is Alpha Centauri,
Speaker 5: which is four light years away. So assuming let's say
Speaker 5: some of these aliens are coming from Alpha Centauri. They
Speaker 5: would have to be traveling at the speed of light
Speaker 5: for four years NonStop. Now, let's say Alpha century doesn't
Speaker 5: have habitable planets. Another one does. It's a thousand light
Speaker 5: years away. All right, So are UFO's tin cans floating
Speaker 5: through space? The consensus among the physics community, the astrophysics
Speaker 5: community is no, according to Professor al Kubera, a Mexican physicist.
Speaker 5: He said that if an energy field can be generated
Speaker 5: around the spacecraft of sufficient magnitude, it will cause a
Speaker 5: curvature in the time space continuum. Think of a piece
Speaker 5: of paper. Go to the upper left hand corner, that's
Speaker 5: where they come from. Go to the lower right hand corner,
Speaker 5: that's where we are, and say there's one thousand light
Speaker 5: years between. By engaging in this warp bubble, you're warping
Speaker 5: space time. You're not exceeding the speed of light. What
Speaker 5: you're doing is folding space time. So you take the
Speaker 5: upper left hand corner and you fold it down and
Speaker 5: touch the lower right hand corner. So what you're doing,
Speaker 5: or what they're doing, is jumping from one coordinate in
Speaker 5: space time to another without viol Einstein's theory of relativity.
Speaker 5: So you're not going faster than the speed of light.
Speaker 5: What you're doing is creating a curvature in it. This
Speaker 5: is known as the Alcuberra metric, and physicists, astrophysicists the
Speaker 5: world over are saying, yes, this is possible. At some
Speaker 5: point we may be able to duplicate this, but at
Speaker 5: this point in history or in this point in our technology,
Speaker 5: we don't have the technological capability of doing this.
Speaker 6: Now it gets even better.
Speaker 5: It appears that the warp field cannot be generated by
Speaker 5: the craft. It has to be done externally to it
Speaker 5: and projected to it. So at least that's what the
Speaker 5: theory is. Now we've all heard of warp drive and
Speaker 5: warp speed, you know, Scotty warp bait, you know, and
Speaker 5: all that. Yeah, the star Trek in to a lesser extent,
Speaker 5: Star Wars is all based on sound scientific principle. So
Speaker 5: these theories of warp drive have been circulating for decades.
Speaker 5: But now we have actual physicists who are saying that
Speaker 5: this is indeed possible. Once again, like the silicon chips,
Speaker 5: we just simply have not yet developed that technology.
Speaker 6: So I hope that answers your question. It does.
Speaker 4: It's fascinating and it does solve that problem. And there's
Speaker 4: your answer that it is I guess possible to traverse
Speaker 4: that much space, and if they've figured it out, maybe
Speaker 4: they're doing that. When we come back, we're going to
Speaker 4: talk to Mark more about UFOs and his book as well.
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact talking to Mark Anthony. Mark,
Speaker 4: does alien visitation tie in in any way to the afterlife?
Speaker 5: In some ways.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 5: In my personal experiences with spirit communication, I refer to
Speaker 5: mediumship spirit communication. I'm a science based evidential medium, and
Speaker 5: I don't believe that spirit communication is hocus pocus or magic,
Speaker 5: but it's based on sound scientific principles rooted in quantum physics.
Speaker 5: And I refer to spirit communication as inter dimensional communication.
Speaker 5: That's because a spirit think of our material world dimension
Speaker 5: as AM radio, the spirit realm as FM radio. Two
Speaker 5: energetic systems, both based on energy and frequency, and they're separate,
Speaker 5: but there are times that they can overlap and align
Speaker 5: with each other. Similarly, based on the al Kubera metric,
Speaker 5: we're having aliens from a different coordinate in space time,
Speaker 5: maybe even a different dimension, able to jump from one
Speaker 5: dimension to the next. In paranormal investigations where I've encountered
Speaker 5: the shadow people and other spiritual entities, it appears that
Speaker 5: they're doing a very similar type of activity is, in
Speaker 5: other words, jumping dimensions. So it is theoretically possible that spirits,
Speaker 5: aliens different types of non human intelligence may be utilizing
Speaker 5: a similar energetic modality to jump from one dimension to
Speaker 5: the next, which would explain how and why spirits are
Speaker 5: able to communicate and to contact us so quickly. You know,
Speaker 5: the heaven, the afterlife. It's not some nebulous place or
Speaker 5: opening alpha centry. It's a dimension that runs parallel to ours.
Speaker 5: According to string theory, there's not just one universe, but
Speaker 5: several universes, and within a universe are different dimensions. So
Speaker 5: these aliens could be coming from another planet within our galaxy,
Speaker 5: or they could be coming from other galaxies, or they
Speaker 5: could be coming from another dimension. But one thing is clear.
Speaker 5: They have mastered the ability to jump from coordinate to
Speaker 5: coordinate using energy that we can't even conceive of yet.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: Spring theory the math apparently does check out that all
Speaker 4: of this is possible to exist. It's very very interesting stuff. Hey, Mark,
Speaker 4: you're known as the psychic explorer. What is that exactly?
Speaker 4: The psychic lawyer, the psychic explorer. And I once heard
Speaker 4: the psychic fishermen. Is that true?
Speaker 6: I don't know if.
Speaker 5: That's well, the psychic Fisherman. I used to go deep
Speaker 5: sea fishing a bit when I was young, but I
Speaker 5: don't seem to have the time for that any so
Speaker 5: much now. I was at a media conference in New
Speaker 5: York City about fifteen sixteen years ago, and some of
Speaker 5: the reporters found out that I was not only a
Speaker 5: psychic medium but an attorney, so they started following me
Speaker 5: the Psychic Lawyer, and it hooked on.
Speaker 6: I mean it caught on.
Speaker 5: In fact, my publicistem my manager, said hey, this is great.
Speaker 5: It'll get you on television, and it has. I've been
Speaker 5: honored bound Coast to Coast twenty four times. I'll be
Speaker 5: on for the Day of the Dead show November November
Speaker 5: two and so I really enjoy working with everybody on iHeartRadio,
Speaker 5: Beyond Contact and Coast to Coast. I've been on numerous
Speaker 5: TV shows. I'm going to be on a news show
Speaker 5: called Destinations of the Damned on Discovery Channel. But a
Speaker 5: lot of people started thinking, oh, the psychic lawyer. It's
Speaker 5: all about finding dead bodies and solving cases and all that.
Speaker 5: And certainly I've worked with law enforcement, and when I
Speaker 5: was on the CBS TV show, the information that I
Speaker 5: received during a reading led to the police cracking a
Speaker 5: cold case murder. But I also have spent my life
Speaker 5: traveling to mystical and spiritual locations around the world. I
Speaker 5: have a fascination with archaeology, history, theology, philosophy, quantum physics.
Speaker 5: I'm an afterlife researcher. I've had a near death experience,
Speaker 5: so I'm a near death experience researcher as well and
Speaker 5: a paranormal investigator. And so another media outlet started calling
Speaker 5: me the psychic Indiana Jones, and we didn't want to
Speaker 5: use that because I don't want to infringe on anyone's copyright.
Speaker 5: So they started calling me Mark Anthony, the Psychic explort.
Speaker 5: So my brand is Mark Anthony JD. Juris Doctorate, my
Speaker 5: law degree, Psychic Explorer. So that's how all that came
Speaker 5: to be wrong. That's hilarious. Well, let me tell you
Speaker 5: sometimes I have to pinch myself. I mean, I have
Speaker 5: an interesting life. I mean in the last couple months,
Speaker 5: I mean when I was at the Edgar Casey Ancient
Speaker 5: Mysteries Conference, I'm having a dinner with some of the
Speaker 5: top Egyptologists in the world, and they were very pleased
Speaker 5: and happy with my presentation, which was the Secrets, Mystery
Speaker 5: and Curse of Tute in Common because I found some
Speaker 5: really juicy stuff. Oh, speaking of UFOs touton Common, you
Speaker 5: wouldn't think of King tut Well, long story short on
Speaker 5: his mummy as they're unwrapping his mummy, they found two
Speaker 5: daggers on it one hundred and twenty five pieces of jewelry,
Speaker 5: some of the most incredible beautiful, but they found one
Speaker 5: of the daggers was iron. It hadn't rusted for thirty
Speaker 5: two centuries, no rest on it. In twenty twenty two
Speaker 5: there was a metallurgical analysis of this iron dagger and
Speaker 5: it showed not only did it have iron, but also
Speaker 5: high amounts of cadmium, nickel, and troilite. That combination in
Speaker 5: iron is found nowhere on planet Earth. It only comes
Speaker 5: from meteorites.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: In the royal archives of the City of a Marna,
Speaker 5: there is a description of an iron dagger that was
Speaker 5: given as a wedding present to Teuton Common's grandfather, who
Speaker 5: was Aminhotep the third, and it was given to him
Speaker 5: by the king of the Matani, who would be in
Speaker 5: what is now a rock. It appears that this iron
Speaker 5: that fell from the sky was a gift from the gods,
Speaker 5: so it was made into a dagger that was fitting
Speaker 5: for a gift.
Speaker 4: To a pharaoh. That is incredible, incredible. I wish we
Speaker 4: could just go back in time and find out all
Speaker 4: about what actually happened there. Hey, Mark, before we go,
Speaker 4: I really want to find out about your book, The
Speaker 4: Afterlife Frequency. I believe you say that this will give
Speaker 4: us scientific proof of spiritual context, two of my favorite
Speaker 4: words right there, scientific proof. Can you shed a little
Speaker 4: light on what this about?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? In The Afterlife Frequency, I introduced several new concepts
Speaker 5: to define and explain spirit communication in twenty first century terms.
Speaker 5: One of the most important concepts is the electromagnetic soul.
Speaker 5: We know from quantum physics energy is neither created nor destroyed,
Speaker 5: only transferred from one form to another. Every belief system
Speaker 5: from the stages of ancient India through Buddha, Jesus, Gandhi
Speaker 5: all the way up to Mother trace it to today
Speaker 5: that the soul, the spirit pre exists the human body,
Speaker 5: comes into the body, moves on after the body dies.
Speaker 5: So I developed the term electromagnetic soul to describe what
Speaker 5: we really are, which is pure consciousness, which can also
Speaker 5: be called a soul or a spirit, which is eternal
Speaker 5: electromagnetic energy. And many scientists, including doctor Gary Schwartz from
Speaker 5: the University of Arizona, have adopted the term ems the
Speaker 5: electromagnetic soul, and in the Afterlife Frequency, I explain how
Speaker 5: the EMS provides the science basis for not only the
Speaker 5: existence of the soul, but of the afterlife, of spirit communication,
Speaker 5: and for all the forms of spirit communication, including near
Speaker 5: death experiences, share death experiences, deathbed visions, out of body experiences,
Speaker 5: and reincarnation, and all of this is based on sound
Speaker 5: scientific principles. My approach to spirituality, I approach it with
Speaker 5: reverence and honor to the divine power. But this is
Speaker 5: not hocus pocus. This is magic. And you know what, Ron,
Speaker 5: When I was about eight years old, my dad and
Speaker 5: I were looking at the stars one night and we
Speaker 5: were talking about infinity. That's why I just just about
Speaker 5: my dad being here. And my dad said to me,
Speaker 5: there is no such thing as a mystery, Mark. There's
Speaker 5: only questions for which we do not yet have the answer.
Speaker 5: And if enough money, enough funding, enough research, and enough
Speaker 5: focus goes into it, you're going to find an answer
Speaker 5: for everything, and it's going to be based on science.
Speaker 4: I love it. Your dad sounds like an incredible guy,
Speaker 4: really does. He's had an incredible life and you've got
Speaker 4: amazing stories here, Guys, check out Mark at that title
Speaker 4: afterlifefrequency dot com. That's where you can find him and
Speaker 4: thanks for coming on, Mark, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 6: A lot of interesting information tonight.
Speaker 5: It's my pleasure. It's an honor to be here, Ron,
Speaker 5: and thank you and for all the listeners. Keep tuning
Speaker 5: in to Beyond Contact. I've known Captain Ron a long
Speaker 5: time and all I can say is he is the
Speaker 5: man when it comes to Beyond Contact.
Speaker 4: Thanks man, Thank you guys for listening to to Beyond Contact.
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