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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week and Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today

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Speaker 4: we're going to be speaking with Attorney Mark Anthony. Mark's

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Speaker 4: a psychic explorer and he's known as the Psychic Lawyer.

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Speaker 4: He is the fourth generation psychic medium who communicates with spirits.

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Speaker 4: He is an Oxford educated attorney licensed a practice law

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Speaker 4: in Florida, Washington, d c. And before the United States

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court. He recently won the Omy Award for the

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Speaker 4: Best Psychic Medium. He's also very well versed in UFO

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Speaker 4: cases and has even traveled to mystical locations in remote

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Speaker 4: corners of the world to examine ancient mysteries and supernatural phenomenon.

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Speaker 4: Hey Mark, good to see you again, brother.

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Speaker 5: Hey Captain Ron, it's great to be here and thanks

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Speaker 5: for having me on Beyond Contact.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely looking forward to it tonight.

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Speaker 4: Let's start off, brother, talking about the Pasca Lucas case,

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Speaker 4: because that just passed the fifty first anniversary, which was

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Speaker 4: on Friday the eleventh, fifty one years ago. So I

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Speaker 4: think that that is a very very important case. It's

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Speaker 4: a strong case, and I find both Calvin Parker and

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Speaker 4: Charles Hickson to be very credible. They're very real guys.

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Speaker 4: They're down to earth, you know, they tip polygraph tests.

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Speaker 4: They've stuck to their story to their death. I think

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Speaker 4: you knew Calvin right.

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Speaker 5: I considered Calvin a friend and I got to know him.

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Speaker 5: I was interviewing him for a podcast that I was

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Speaker 5: talk to him, and we just hit it off really well,

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Speaker 5: and I actually did a reading for him as a

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Speaker 5: psychic medium. I did a reading for him, and we'll

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Speaker 5: get into that a little bit later. But Calvin, like

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Speaker 5: you indicated, is considered. Calvin and Charles Hickson are considered

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Speaker 5: the most credible alien abductees on record. And back in

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Speaker 5: October eleventh, nineteen seventy three, nineteen year old Calvin Parker

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Speaker 5: They went fishing in Pascagoula, Mississippi, and Calvin is the trip.

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Speaker 5: He goes, you know, there's one thing you don't mess

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Speaker 5: you know. So they're a real serious fishermen. And so

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Speaker 5: there they are fishing. It's in the afternoon and he

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Speaker 5: And he said it just created a complete, complete disaster

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Speaker 5: as long as Charles Hickson lived, and right up until

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Speaker 5: there to interrogate Calvin. I got to know him. What

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Speaker 5: asked him. I said, well, I hear that abductees, many

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Speaker 5: of the abductees that I've encountered, say that this has

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Speaker 5: happened to them multiple times. And he said, yeah, they

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Speaker 6: Oh he did.

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Speaker 6: That's not really well known. Did he actually have another encounter?

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Speaker 5: Oh, yes he did, And he said twenty years later,

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Speaker 5: There it was again, he said, the big metallic object

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Speaker 5: and there she was again, that beautiful woman, and he

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Speaker 5: When he shoved her, he said, it looked like this

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Speaker 5: it sounded like some type of holographic projection. And he said, well,

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Speaker 6: And I've been terrified.

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Speaker 5: Instead, it was the most for me, the most sexually

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Speaker 5: attractive beautiful woman I've ever seen, he said. But once

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Speaker 6: But she was mad, which when he went at her,

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Speaker 5: She sure was, and she said, those robots and it

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Speaker 4: hard to know. Are there other effects that he had after.

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Speaker 5: Most certainly as a former prosecutor and criminal offense attorney

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Speaker 5: That makes a lot of sense, because when you're involved

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Speaker 4: Didn't he have like something with protein or cravings? Was

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Speaker 5: Assault in protein. I've done readings for a number of

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Speaker 5: and I asked him about about the protein, and that

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Speaker 4: We're talking with Mark Anthony about various UFO cases in space. Mark,

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Speaker 5: he turned really quickly and it looked like the facado's

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Speaker 5: face blurred for a second and there was this reptile,

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Speaker 5: she says, like this alligator type creature underneath it. So

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Speaker 5: we have two accounts now three actually Charles Hickson and

436
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Speaker 5: Calvin Parker are now Nancy Tremaine both talking about reptilians,

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Speaker 5: and that they use a facade to appear as the

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Speaker 5: most physically attractive to the particular subject that has been abducted.

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Speaker 5: And think about it makes sense.

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Speaker 4: I meantle depicted in some of these films where they

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Speaker 4: show like a static and then you could see underneath

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Speaker 4: that there's like yeah.

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Speaker 5: And that's where the writers for these things have gotten

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Speaker 5: their ideas. Now, according to some of the latest theory

445
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Speaker 5: from muffon the grays, they could be a species or

446
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Speaker 5: they could be a biologically engineered servant of aliens, and

447
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Speaker 5: they're the ones that come and abduct people. And all

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Speaker 5: the abductees that I've encountered and done readings for, they

449
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Speaker 5: all talk about the various probes and injections into their

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Speaker 5: bodies where they're extracting material, and that material appears to

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Speaker 5: be highly related to protein. Protein is vital in the

452
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Speaker 5: human body for building and repairing tissue, but it's also

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Speaker 5: essential for cloning. Through gene cloning genetic engineering, you can

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Speaker 5: give a foreign gene to another species. This species internal

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Speaker 5: make the protein coded for by the gene through its

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Speaker 5: protein synthesis mechanisms. And I don't want to get too

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Speaker 5: technical with this, but it appears. I mean, this is

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Speaker 5: a theory, but according to Elmhurst University and Northern Arizona University,

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Speaker 5: prothesis is essential for cloning. Also, not all amino acids

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Speaker 5: are produced by the body. Certain amino acids are obtained

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Speaker 5: from the diet and within the cells, proteins are generated

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Speaker 5: involving what's known as transcription and translation proceeds that cells

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Speaker 5: undergo to metabolize protein, which in my discussions with Moufon

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Speaker 5: makes sense they're targeting specific people based on how they

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Speaker 5: metabolize protein.

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Speaker 4: Dare I say the word hybrid instead of cloning. Perhaps

467
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Speaker 4: it's a hybridization.

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Speaker 5: That is exactly where we're going with this very good ron.

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Speaker 5: One thing I've always been impressed about you is you're

470
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Speaker 5: the sharpest tack in the alien box. Yeah, the alien

471
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Speaker 5: human hybridization program. Now, we certainly saw this in that

472
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Speaker 5: series X Files, which back in the day I used

473
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Speaker 5: to love watching. But once again, life imitating art and

474
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Speaker 5: the writers for these stories they certainly were aware of

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Speaker 5: the books like Fire in the Sky and Calvin Parker's

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Speaker 5: Accounts and so on and so forth. But there's a

477
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Speaker 5: lot of people the abductees, including Nancy Tremaine, who told me, well,

478
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Speaker 5: they are already here. They're among us, and that's what

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Speaker 5: the hybridization program is going on. You know, it's interesting

480
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Speaker 5: because you wonder, you know, have have you met any aliens?

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Speaker 5: Have you met that strange person that seemed to know

482
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Speaker 5: a lot of things but was rather aloof than off

483
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Speaker 5: the grid.

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Speaker 6: People who claimed that they're hybrid so hey, you never know.

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Speaker 5: Move On. Thinks that the protein extraction is not just

486
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Speaker 5: for possible study and hybridization, but it also appears, based

487
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Speaker 5: on accounts of several abductees, that it's being made into

488
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Speaker 5: a paste which the grays slather on their bodies because

489
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Speaker 5: that's how they absorb nutrients. So they are extracting protein

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Speaker 5: from humans and also from cattle, the butcher cattle that

491
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Speaker 5: are found all over the world, usually near crop circles,

492
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Speaker 5: as a food source. And this is very disconcerting because

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Speaker 5: some abductees claim, and you'll have to check Crystaperno on this,

494
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Speaker 5: but some abductees claim that while they are on board,

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Speaker 5: they saw human body parts like you would see in

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Speaker 5: a slaughter house. But for some reason, these people proteins

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Speaker 5: being extracted from them. But other people, it's been taken

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Speaker 5: to an even greater extent, and how many worldwide one

499
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Speaker 5: hundred thousand people a year or so disappear without a trace.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, missing, Yeah, absolutely missing.

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Speaker 5: So you know they're here, and there's more than one

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Speaker 5: alien species coming to Earth. There appear to be several.

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Speaker 4: One of the big issues we have is people not

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Speaker 4: believing that UFOs can't get here from there.

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Speaker 6: What are your thoughts about that? Well, there's two thoughts.

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Speaker 5: One is that aliens are from our future. They're us

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Speaker 5: maybe fifty or one hundred thousand years from now, and

508
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Speaker 5: they have figured a way to time travel back in time.

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Speaker 5: I think that's interesting. I don't necessarily subscribe to that one,

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Speaker 5: but I don't rule it out the other one. According

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Speaker 5: to Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, nothing can exceed the

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Speaker 5: speed of light, which is one hundred and eighty six

513
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Speaker 5: two hundred and eighty two miles per second or in

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Speaker 5: metric two hundred ninety nine thousand, nine hundred and seventy

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Speaker 5: four kilometers per second, I believe, and so that's an

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Speaker 5: incredible speed. The closest star to Earth is Alpha Centauri,

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Speaker 5: which is four light years away. So assuming let's say

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Speaker 5: some of these aliens are coming from Alpha Centauri. They

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Speaker 5: would have to be traveling at the speed of light

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Speaker 5: for four years NonStop. Now, let's say Alpha century doesn't

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Speaker 5: have habitable planets. Another one does. It's a thousand light

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Speaker 5: years away. All right, So are UFO's tin cans floating

523
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Speaker 5: through space? The consensus among the physics community, the astrophysics

524
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Speaker 5: community is no, according to Professor al Kubera, a Mexican physicist.

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Speaker 5: He said that if an energy field can be generated

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Speaker 5: around the spacecraft of sufficient magnitude, it will cause a

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Speaker 5: curvature in the time space continuum. Think of a piece

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Speaker 5: of paper. Go to the upper left hand corner, that's

529
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Speaker 5: where they come from. Go to the lower right hand corner,

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Speaker 5: that's where we are, and say there's one thousand light

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Speaker 5: years between. By engaging in this warp bubble, you're warping

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Speaker 5: space time. You're not exceeding the speed of light. What

533
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Speaker 5: you're doing is folding space time. So you take the

534
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Speaker 5: upper left hand corner and you fold it down and

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Speaker 5: touch the lower right hand corner. So what you're doing,

536
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Speaker 5: or what they're doing, is jumping from one coordinate in

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Speaker 5: space time to another without viol Einstein's theory of relativity.

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Speaker 5: So you're not going faster than the speed of light.

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Speaker 5: What you're doing is creating a curvature in it. This

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Speaker 5: is known as the Alcuberra metric, and physicists, astrophysicists the

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Speaker 5: world over are saying, yes, this is possible. At some

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Speaker 5: point we may be able to duplicate this, but at

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Speaker 5: this point in history or in this point in our technology,

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Speaker 5: we don't have the technological capability of doing this.

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Speaker 6: Now it gets even better.

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Speaker 5: It appears that the warp field cannot be generated by

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Speaker 5: the craft. It has to be done externally to it

548
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 5: and projected to it. So at least that's what the

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Speaker 5: theory is. Now we've all heard of warp drive and

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Speaker 5: warp speed, you know, Scotty warp bait, you know, and

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Speaker 5: all that. Yeah, the star Trek in to a lesser extent,

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Speaker 5: Star Wars is all based on sound scientific principle. So

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Speaker 5: these theories of warp drive have been circulating for decades.

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Speaker 5: But now we have actual physicists who are saying that

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Speaker 5: this is indeed possible. Once again, like the silicon chips,

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Speaker 5: we just simply have not yet developed that technology.

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Speaker 6: So I hope that answers your question. It does.

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Speaker 4: It's fascinating and it does solve that problem. And there's

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Speaker 4: your answer that it is I guess possible to traverse

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Speaker 4: that much space, and if they've figured it out, maybe

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Speaker 4: they're doing that. When we come back, we're going to

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Speaker 4: talk to Mark more about UFOs and his book as well.

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Speaker 2: also expose them to risk. Teach your children the basic

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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact talking to Mark Anthony. Mark,

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Speaker 4: does alien visitation tie in in any way to the afterlife?

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Speaker 5: In some ways.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 5: In my personal experiences with spirit communication, I refer to

582
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Speaker 5: mediumship spirit communication. I'm a science based evidential medium, and

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Speaker 5: I don't believe that spirit communication is hocus pocus or magic,

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Speaker 5: but it's based on sound scientific principles rooted in quantum physics.

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Speaker 5: And I refer to spirit communication as inter dimensional communication.

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00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 5: That's because a spirit think of our material world dimension

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Speaker 5: as AM radio, the spirit realm as FM radio. Two

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Speaker 5: energetic systems, both based on energy and frequency, and they're separate,

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00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 5: but there are times that they can overlap and align

590
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 5: with each other. Similarly, based on the al Kubera metric,

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Speaker 5: we're having aliens from a different coordinate in space time,

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Speaker 5: maybe even a different dimension, able to jump from one

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Speaker 5: dimension to the next. In paranormal investigations where I've encountered

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Speaker 5: the shadow people and other spiritual entities, it appears that

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Speaker 5: they're doing a very similar type of activity is, in

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Speaker 5: other words, jumping dimensions. So it is theoretically possible that spirits,

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Speaker 5: aliens different types of non human intelligence may be utilizing

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Speaker 5: a similar energetic modality to jump from one dimension to

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Speaker 5: the next, which would explain how and why spirits are

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Speaker 5: able to communicate and to contact us so quickly. You know,

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Speaker 5: the heaven, the afterlife. It's not some nebulous place or

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Speaker 5: opening alpha centry. It's a dimension that runs parallel to ours.

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Speaker 5: According to string theory, there's not just one universe, but

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Speaker 5: several universes, and within a universe are different dimensions. So

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Speaker 5: these aliens could be coming from another planet within our galaxy,

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Speaker 5: or they could be coming from other galaxies, or they

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Speaker 5: could be coming from another dimension. But one thing is clear.

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Speaker 5: They have mastered the ability to jump from coordinate to

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Speaker 5: coordinate using energy that we can't even conceive of yet.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Spring theory the math apparently does check out that all

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Speaker 4: of this is possible to exist. It's very very interesting stuff. Hey, Mark,

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Speaker 4: you're known as the psychic explorer. What is that exactly?

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Speaker 4: The psychic lawyer, the psychic explorer. And I once heard

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Speaker 4: the psychic fishermen. Is that true?

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Speaker 6: I don't know if.

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Speaker 5: That's well, the psychic Fisherman. I used to go deep

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Speaker 5: sea fishing a bit when I was young, but I

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Speaker 5: don't seem to have the time for that any so

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Speaker 5: much now. I was at a media conference in New

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Speaker 5: York City about fifteen sixteen years ago, and some of

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Speaker 5: the reporters found out that I was not only a

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Speaker 5: psychic medium but an attorney, so they started following me

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Speaker 5: the Psychic Lawyer, and it hooked on.

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Speaker 6: I mean it caught on.

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Speaker 5: In fact, my publicistem my manager, said hey, this is great.

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Speaker 5: It'll get you on television, and it has. I've been

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Speaker 5: honored bound Coast to Coast twenty four times. I'll be

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Speaker 5: on for the Day of the Dead show November November

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Speaker 5: two and so I really enjoy working with everybody on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 5: Beyond Contact and Coast to Coast. I've been on numerous

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Speaker 5: TV shows. I'm going to be on a news show

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Speaker 5: called Destinations of the Damned on Discovery Channel. But a

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Speaker 5: lot of people started thinking, oh, the psychic lawyer. It's

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Speaker 5: all about finding dead bodies and solving cases and all that.

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Speaker 5: And certainly I've worked with law enforcement, and when I

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Speaker 5: was on the CBS TV show, the information that I

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Speaker 5: received during a reading led to the police cracking a

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Speaker 5: cold case murder. But I also have spent my life

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Speaker 5: traveling to mystical and spiritual locations around the world. I

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Speaker 5: have a fascination with archaeology, history, theology, philosophy, quantum physics.

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Speaker 5: I'm an afterlife researcher. I've had a near death experience,

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Speaker 5: so I'm a near death experience researcher as well and

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Speaker 5: a paranormal investigator. And so another media outlet started calling

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Speaker 5: me the psychic Indiana Jones, and we didn't want to

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Speaker 5: use that because I don't want to infringe on anyone's copyright.

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Speaker 5: So they started calling me Mark Anthony, the Psychic explort.

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Speaker 5: So my brand is Mark Anthony JD. Juris Doctorate, my

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Speaker 5: law degree, Psychic Explorer. So that's how all that came

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Speaker 5: to be wrong. That's hilarious. Well, let me tell you

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Speaker 5: sometimes I have to pinch myself. I mean, I have

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Speaker 5: an interesting life. I mean in the last couple months,

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Speaker 5: I mean when I was at the Edgar Casey Ancient

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Speaker 5: Mysteries Conference, I'm having a dinner with some of the

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Speaker 5: top Egyptologists in the world, and they were very pleased

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Speaker 5: and happy with my presentation, which was the Secrets, Mystery

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Speaker 5: and Curse of Tute in Common because I found some

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Speaker 5: really juicy stuff. Oh, speaking of UFOs touton Common, you

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Speaker 5: wouldn't think of King tut Well, long story short on

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Speaker 5: his mummy as they're unwrapping his mummy, they found two

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Speaker 5: daggers on it one hundred and twenty five pieces of jewelry,

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Speaker 5: some of the most incredible beautiful, but they found one

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Speaker 5: of the daggers was iron. It hadn't rusted for thirty

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Speaker 5: two centuries, no rest on it. In twenty twenty two

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Speaker 5: there was a metallurgical analysis of this iron dagger and

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Speaker 5: it showed not only did it have iron, but also

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Speaker 5: high amounts of cadmium, nickel, and troilite. That combination in

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Speaker 5: iron is found nowhere on planet Earth. It only comes

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Speaker 5: from meteorites.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 5: In the royal archives of the City of a Marna,

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Speaker 5: there is a description of an iron dagger that was

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Speaker 5: given as a wedding present to Teuton Common's grandfather, who

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Speaker 5: was Aminhotep the third, and it was given to him

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Speaker 5: by the king of the Matani, who would be in

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Speaker 5: what is now a rock. It appears that this iron

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Speaker 5: that fell from the sky was a gift from the gods,

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Speaker 5: so it was made into a dagger that was fitting

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Speaker 5: for a gift.

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Speaker 4: To a pharaoh. That is incredible, incredible. I wish we

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Speaker 4: could just go back in time and find out all

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Speaker 4: about what actually happened there. Hey, Mark, before we go,

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Speaker 4: I really want to find out about your book, The

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Speaker 4: Afterlife Frequency. I believe you say that this will give

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Speaker 4: us scientific proof of spiritual context, two of my favorite

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Speaker 4: words right there, scientific proof. Can you shed a little

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Speaker 4: light on what this about?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? In The Afterlife Frequency, I introduced several new concepts

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Speaker 5: to define and explain spirit communication in twenty first century terms.

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Speaker 5: One of the most important concepts is the electromagnetic soul.

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Speaker 5: We know from quantum physics energy is neither created nor destroyed,

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Speaker 5: only transferred from one form to another. Every belief system

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Speaker 5: from the stages of ancient India through Buddha, Jesus, Gandhi

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Speaker 5: all the way up to Mother trace it to today

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Speaker 5: that the soul, the spirit pre exists the human body,

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Speaker 5: comes into the body, moves on after the body dies.

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Speaker 5: So I developed the term electromagnetic soul to describe what

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Speaker 5: we really are, which is pure consciousness, which can also

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Speaker 5: be called a soul or a spirit, which is eternal

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Speaker 5: electromagnetic energy. And many scientists, including doctor Gary Schwartz from

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Speaker 5: the University of Arizona, have adopted the term ems the

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Speaker 5: electromagnetic soul, and in the Afterlife Frequency, I explain how

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Speaker 5: the EMS provides the science basis for not only the

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Speaker 5: existence of the soul, but of the afterlife, of spirit communication,

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Speaker 5: and for all the forms of spirit communication, including near

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Speaker 5: death experiences, share death experiences, deathbed visions, out of body experiences,

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Speaker 5: and reincarnation, and all of this is based on sound

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Speaker 5: scientific principles. My approach to spirituality, I approach it with

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Speaker 5: reverence and honor to the divine power. But this is

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Speaker 5: not hocus pocus. This is magic. And you know what, Ron,

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Speaker 5: When I was about eight years old, my dad and

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Speaker 5: I were looking at the stars one night and we

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Speaker 5: were talking about infinity. That's why I just just about

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Speaker 5: my dad being here. And my dad said to me,

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Speaker 5: there is no such thing as a mystery, Mark. There's

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Speaker 5: only questions for which we do not yet have the answer.

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Speaker 5: And if enough money, enough funding, enough research, and enough

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Speaker 5: focus goes into it, you're going to find an answer

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Speaker 5: for everything, and it's going to be based on science.

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Speaker 4: I love it. Your dad sounds like an incredible guy,

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Speaker 4: really does. He's had an incredible life and you've got

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Speaker 4: amazing stories here, Guys, check out Mark at that title

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Speaker 4: afterlifefrequency dot com. That's where you can find him and

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Speaker 4: thanks for coming on, Mark, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: A lot of interesting information tonight.

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Speaker 5: It's my pleasure. It's an honor to be here, Ron,

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Speaker 5: and thank you and for all the listeners. Keep tuning

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Speaker 5: in to Beyond Contact. I've known Captain Ron a long

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Speaker 5: time and all I can say is he is the

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Speaker 5: man when it comes to Beyond Contact.

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