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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The I'll take you their addition

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Speaker 1: as we head to Indianapolis for the NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 1: thing since Peter King. This past Monday and his weekly

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Speaker 1: Football Morning in America column, Peter King announced that he's

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Speaker 1: retiring after covering the NFL for forty four years. It's

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Speaker 1: worth noting that he got his start covering the Bengals

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Speaker 1: for ages, and when I got the Bengals play by

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Speaker 1: play job, I made it a point to try to

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Speaker 1: talk with Peter whenever he was around the team. In

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Speaker 1: one of our first conversations, Peter learned that I used

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Speaker 1: to be the radio announcer for the Patucket Red Sox,

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Speaker 1: Boston's Triple A team at that time, and he began

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Speaker 1: peppering me with questions how long were the bus rides? Well,

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Speaker 1: were Dustin PEDROI and John Lester like at that age?

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Speaker 1: Peter so great, his unquenchable curiosity and attention to detail.

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Speaker 1: There has never been a better sp reporter. Monday mornings

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Speaker 1: aren't going to be quite as enjoyable for us, but

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Speaker 1: I'm happy they are going to be a lot more

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Speaker 1: relaxing for Peter King. Now let's get to the scouting combine.

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Speaker 1: It's become the unofficial start of the upcoming NFL season,

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Speaker 1: as front office execs, coaches, scouts, and media to send

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Speaker 1: on Indianapolis to get a first hand look at this

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Speaker 1: year's draft prospects, and discuss possible moves in free agency.

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Speaker 1: One person I always look forward to talking to is

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel from NFL Films and the ESPN Matchup Show.

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Speaker 1: He's been covering the NFL for more than four decades. Greg,

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Speaker 1: let's start with some of the hottest topics among Bengals fans.

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Speaker 1: Top of the list, T Higgins. They have franchise tagged him.

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Speaker 1: They're going to have him for at least one more

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Speaker 1: year with the likelihood of losing Tyler Boyd. Was paying

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Speaker 1: tea the right thing to do in your opinion?

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Speaker 2: I really like Tyler Boyd, but I think it's more

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Speaker 2: And I'm not suggesting that you can just pull a

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Speaker 2: slot receiver out of the sky, but I think it's

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Speaker 2: a position that you can find someone in the context

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Speaker 2: of that offense more so than you can find to

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Speaker 2: T Higgins. T Higgins is six three two fifteen. He's

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Speaker 2: a vertical dimension. He runs those in breaking routes really well.

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Speaker 2: People take those inbreaking routes in traffic for granted, you know,

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Speaker 2: because borrow's are really a borrow turns the ball loose.

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Speaker 2: He's got no problem turning a loose. And those inbreaking

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Speaker 2: So T Higgins was a player. I really like Ronicky Manaclemson.

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Speaker 2: He's had a really good career. Obviously he's been injured

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Speaker 2: a little bit here and there, but I think he's

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Speaker 2: if you had to choose one, and teams have to

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Speaker 2: make these kinds of choices, as you know, Dan, they

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Speaker 2: Higgins is a more valuable asset overall than Tyler Boyd,

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Speaker 1: Is spending twenty point six million dollars on T Higgins

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Speaker 1: the best use of that money to try to keep

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Speaker 2: Well, now that gets into a lot of questions that

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Speaker 2: the cap and how they structure and work their cap.

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Speaker 2: know how all that works. I will say this, I

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Speaker 2: a great quarterback. You do not want to leave him

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Speaker 2: all know you want a good old line.

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Speaker 3: We get all that. I mean, that's a given.

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Speaker 2: But I do not think when you have a really

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Speaker 2: that is aggressive throwing the ball versus one on one coverage.

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Speaker 2: That's one thing we've seen with Joe Burrow. When it's

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Speaker 2: multiple ways. You know, Chase is an explosive guy. He

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Speaker 2: can make contested catches, but he's such an explosive mover

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Speaker 1: Let's move to tight end. I know you've studied brock Bowers.

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Speaker 1: If you surveyed one hundred Bengals fans. He would probably

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Speaker 1: probably unlikely. But how good is Brock Bowers?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Brock Bowers on tape is really really good.

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Speaker 2: He moves like a wide receiver. He in some ways

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Speaker 3: You can be more than functional.

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Speaker 2: And Bowers is that guy. He can be more than

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I feel like teams struggle with how to deploy

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Speaker 2: But Bowers is phenomenal, looks like a wide receiver, moves

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Speaker 3: Sometimes.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals typically have not relied heavily on their tight

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Speaker 1: end during the Zach Taylor, Joe Burrow era. They've had

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Speaker 1: solid production cj Uzama, Hayden Hurst, even Tanner Hudson gave

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Speaker 2: Well, there's so many targets to go around, that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, for the last three years or so,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's easy to say, throw the ball to

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Speaker 2: of how they structure their offense methodology. You know, what's

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Speaker 2: the approach coach, Then what's the approach then in a

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Speaker 2: it's easy to look at a number on a page

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Speaker 3: But there's only so many balls to go around.

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Speaker 2: So if they lose Boyd and maybe they feel they

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Speaker 2: don't have the same quality slot this year, then maybe

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Speaker 2: the tight end, whoever it turns out to be, would

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Speaker 2: become a bigger factor. But when you've got three wide

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Speaker 2: you see Chase only has three targets. People would say, well,

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Speaker 2: why aren't they throwing the ball to Jamar Chase. There's

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Speaker 2: only so many balls to go around, so many passes.

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Speaker 1: We're visiting with a great Greg Cosell. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, another hot topic for Bengals fans. He ran

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Speaker 1: for more than a thousand yards. He had twelve combined

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Speaker 1: plays weren't there. He'll be twenty eight and this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's lost a little bit, just because

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Speaker 2: he's played a long time. He's been kind of a

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Speaker 2: sure there's wear and tear. I always really like Joe

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Speaker 2: Mixon as a player. I think he's had a really

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Speaker 2: nice career, probably still a good player, and certainly knows

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Speaker 2: By the way, but if they truly felt like they

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Speaker 2: If they felt that they could move on. I just

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Speaker 2: watching him run, and like I said, I remember watching

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Speaker 2: just think he's not quite the same guy. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: about Dax Hill. I know you liked him coming out

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Speaker 2: of Michigan. This was his first year as a starter

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Speaker 2: and it was a mixed bag.

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Speaker 1: What'd you think of Dax Hill this year at safety?

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Speaker 3: Just what you said.

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Speaker 2: I think that he doesn't see it as quickly as

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Speaker 2: you want, you know. But again, he's still a young player.

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Speaker 2: Second year, right, this will be his third. He didn't

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Speaker 3: And it's funny.

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Speaker 2: I had a chance yesterday to sit and talk with

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Speaker 2: I asked him about Dax Hill.

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Speaker 3: I was just curious, you know, because.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to ask him about his player, you know,

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Speaker 2: So I asked him about Bax Hill and he said

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Speaker 2: that he wants to be a safety because they they

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Speaker 2: really wanted him to be a corner because he's got

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Speaker 2: So the sort of the compromise at at Michigan was

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Speaker 3: He just he's a great athlete. He's a great athlete

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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams is heading into free agency. The Bengals are

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Speaker 1: do you consider this to be an unusually good tackle

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, again, you don't know how boards play out,

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Speaker 2: They're probably not going to get the Oregon State kid Fuaga,

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Speaker 2: you're ultimately saying, if they need to fill the position.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously that does happen.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of overall evaluation of players, as you

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Speaker 2: So but there are guys I think in this you know,

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Speaker 3: Maybe he is, but you can get a tackle in

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Speaker 2: I haven't done guid And yet, so I can't speak

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Speaker 2: the most intriguing and most polarizing tackle in this draft

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Speaker 2: class because he's played about as much football as you

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The game that people point to is actually the game

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Speaker 2: a lot of football. Now, that doesn't mean in three

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Speaker 2: spoke with someone who thinks that this guy could be phenomenal,

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Speaker 3: So again, now you get into the free agency and

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Speaker 2: It's probably not going to be an All Pro Hall

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Speaker 1: All right, I've got a potential name for you. The

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Speaker 1: Bengals offensive line coaches, Frank Pollock.

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Speaker 3: He was with the Jets.

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Speaker 1: He's been doing it a long time. He was with

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Speaker 1: the Jets when they drafted Makai Beckton, who's obviously had

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Speaker 1: injury problems in his four NFL seasons. Do you view

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: He's big, he's athletic, he'd certainly be worth it. Maybe

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Speaker 2: a change of environment. You know, obviously Pollock knows him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he'd be worth a flyer.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, now you get into who knows what

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's worth I mean, look, when

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Speaker 2: you when you have a position where you're going to

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Speaker 2: need competition in bodies, You're gonna have to take flyers

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Speaker 2: on people because you know, you're not waiting around for

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Speaker 3: You need to bring.

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Speaker 2: Bodies in and see how it shakes out. And and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would. I mean, look, I remember Beck then you

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Speaker 2: know he hasn't done great obviously in his NFL career, injuries,

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, but I remember watching him. I believe it

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Speaker 3: About a big athletic guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean he is. He's really athletic for his size.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would. That's worth a flyer.

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Speaker 1: DJ Reader is a free agent. He's coming off a

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Speaker 1: major injury to the Bengals need to significantly address interior

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Speaker 3: It needs to be addressed.

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Speaker 2: They'll decide how to a priority is relative to the

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Speaker 2: other things we've been talking about. Their run defense was

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Speaker 2: They need to address that. They need to be better there.

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Speaker 2: You know Reader, I always liked Reader as a player,

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Speaker 2: but you know he's he's played a lot of snaps

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Speaker 3: Who knows, but yeah, that that needs to be addressed.

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Speaker 1: Have you looked at defensive lineman in this draft?

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Speaker 2: Some I mean I personally think there could be someone

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Speaker 2: I mean, to me, the number one guy that and

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Speaker 2: no one doesn't love him because you can't. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's one of those guys, and that's Murphy from Texas.

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Speaker 2: Whether he's there remains to be seen. There's some people

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Speaker 2: usually defensive tackle is not a position you draft super high,

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Speaker 2: particularly in a draft that has the quarterbacks and that

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Speaker 2: He's really a good prospect. He's a really good prospect.

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Speaker 1: His name comes up a lot. Johnny Newton from Illinois

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Speaker 2: Not as good a prospect in my view, but pretty

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Speaker 2: but a good prospect. He would definitely be there at

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Speaker 2: eighteen if you'll like him. You know, he's one of

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Speaker 2: those guys that you might not see him as the

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Speaker 2: I think he'll be a good pro He's not as

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Speaker 2: a good prospect. I don't know if you'd have him

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Speaker 2: just don't want to take him at eighteen. If he's

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Speaker 1: And Andre Sweat's name comes up, not as a first

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Speaker 1: of the agility drills. He slipped trying to do a

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Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna have to lose weight. I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that. I mean, he's not gonna play in the

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Speaker 2: NFL at three sixty six. But he does have light

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Speaker 2: fat guy. But he would have to lose weight. I

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Speaker 2: think he'd obviously be a run defender. You know, you're

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Speaker 2: not see to me that that's not.

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Speaker 3: A first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Like I would not pick him at eighteen, even if

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Speaker 3: Now. I don't know how teams feel about him. I

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Speaker 2: I think you'd need him to lose thirty pounds, but

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Speaker 2: You know, he did struggle in a few drills, but

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Speaker 2: there were also a few other drills. Because I was

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Speaker 2: you kind of went, oh, god, he's moving pretty well

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Speaker 2: who knows what he could be if he got down

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Speaker 3: You'd have to do your due diligence there.

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Speaker 2: You have to find out if he's the problem or

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Speaker 2: if for some reason Texas didn't handle it. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's where you have to find those things out. If

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Speaker 2: if you find out he's the problem, that becomes a concern,

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Speaker 2: you know, because then what's so Leidia believe that it's going.

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Speaker 3: To get better in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I think he told reporters yesterday that he believes his

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to sit here and say he's wrong,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think there's any team that would

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's cap hit this year is twenty nine point

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Speaker 1: seven mil. It jumps to forty six point two five

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Speaker 1: next year. Do you view this as a crucial year

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Speaker 1: because the Bengals have some cap role to add quality

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you have got because Burrow.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're not getting rid of Joe Burrow, and

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Speaker 2: you're not trying to mess around with them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it is what it is. I mean, that's the way

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know this is a year where you.

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Speaker 2: Want, you would love to be able, not only with

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Speaker 2: even if they're not day one starters, a lot of depth,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So if there's cap space, then you really this becomes

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Speaker 3: Do with Borrow.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go to them and say we want to renegotiate.

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Speaker 2: That's probably not gonna happen. I don't think you know,

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Speaker 2: you would know more. I don't think that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, not gonna happen, right right, Not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: So we crossed paths here for the first time. A

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Joe Burrow to me, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a purist because of how I was taught the position.

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Speaker 3: And I believe me, I've changed.

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Speaker 2: You have to change your point of view because of

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Speaker 2: the way the quarterbacks as they grow up now they're

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Speaker 2: far more athletic. There's far more plays above the ex's

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Speaker 2: and o's off script that does factor into an evaluation,

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Speaker 2: far more than it ever did, and you have to

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Speaker 2: accept that, and you've got to you sort of have

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Speaker 2: to embrace it. I mean that's you know, we see

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, we see him make plays. We see Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: we see these plays being made. You know, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 2: you see them every week. And Burrow certainly is not unathletic,

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Speaker 2: as you know. But Burrow to me is just a

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Speaker 2: high level, nuanced, detailed, subtle discipline, discipline craft quarterback. And

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Speaker 2: I love watching those kinds of quarterbacks, guys who can

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Speaker 2: can just control the game nowhere to go with the ball,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you want to get really simplistic about quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But it is true. You know, ultimately you want your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: To be able to know who to throw the ball,

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Speaker 2: to throw it to that guy at the right time,

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Speaker 2: with the right kind of throw. That's ultimately what you

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Speaker 2: want your quarterback with accuracy. Of course, you know, Burrow's

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Speaker 2: really really good and you know what I love about

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Speaker 2: Burrow And the tape tells you this, and I imagine

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Speaker 2: on the sideline there's great conversations because he is so

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Speaker 2: mentally into the game. You can tell watching the game

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Speaker 2: and I'm just talking about tape, you know, not TV.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching the tape that what he's seeing and how

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Speaker 2: he's adjusting to it. Like I feel like he's a

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Speaker 2: master at that. And you would know, you know that

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Speaker 2: just to me comes across watching the tape, and that's

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Speaker 2: a trade. There's a lot of guys who are gifted,

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Speaker 2: and there's a lot of guys who can make plays,

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Speaker 2: and you know, but I feel like he's kind of

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Speaker 2: a chess master, like he's always figuring something out as

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Speaker 2: the game is being played.

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Speaker 3: Very good description.

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Speaker 1: I love coming to the Combine and one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite reasons is running into you. I really appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time as always, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Greg, Thanks, Dan, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: the NFL's movers and shakers can be found in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: during the combine, including NFL Network insider Ian rappaport I

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Speaker 1: spent a few minutes picking his brain, and here's Ian

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Speaker 1: on Dan Pitcher taking over his offensive coordinator after Brian

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Speaker 1: Callahan got the head coaching job in Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: It was critical And I'll tell you what, like picture's

488
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Speaker 4: not a household name. I mean, I'm sure Bengals fans

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Speaker 4: know who he is, but most people probably don't. He

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Speaker 4: was going to be a coordinator. Absolutely, Like Kelli, getting

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Speaker 4: a head coaching job was interesting because it immediately was like,

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Speaker 4: all right, well, you know, how do they replay? And no,

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Speaker 4: I think the league was like, wait, this guy was

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Speaker 4: gonna be our coordinator and there were several teams who

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Speaker 4: I think were really hoping and planning to hire Dan

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Speaker 4: Pitcher said, the Bangals were like, oh no, no, like

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Speaker 4: this is gonna be our guy. But that's that's why

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Speaker 4: good teams are good, right, because when a player goes down,

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Speaker 4: you can you can have a good player fill in

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Speaker 4: for him. When a coach gets hired, you can say, well,

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Speaker 4: I'm not only I can not only promote the next

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Speaker 4: really good offensive coordinator, but this is probably the next

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Speaker 4: guy who can be a really good head coach. And like,

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Speaker 4: that's how you should develop talent all across an organization.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard any scuttle butt about the possibility of

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Speaker 1: a tag in trade with t Higgins?

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Speaker 4: You always heard a scuttle But that's what the combine

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Speaker 4: is for The Bengals tagged Higgins early. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I listened to the Duke Tobin response today saying that

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Speaker 4: we tagged him early because we knew we were gonna do.

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Speaker 5: Definitely believe it.

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Speaker 4: Duke does not lie, So I hear, one hundred percent

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Speaker 4: believe that that is the truth. But it also did

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Speaker 4: show teams that I'm not saying he's available, but that

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Speaker 4: he's under contract.

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Speaker 5: That if something were to happen, they could do it.

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Speaker 5: Tee Higgins is awesome.

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Speaker 4: And he's going to get a new contract, a massive

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Speaker 4: new contract, and he should is it with the Bengals, probably,

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Speaker 4: But the cap went up really high. The Bengals value

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Speaker 4: draft picks immensely, So could another team make a deal

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Speaker 4: that would.

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Speaker 5: Make it worth their while?

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Speaker 4: Maybe, because everything has a price, right, and so like

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Speaker 4: if you're Sincy and you say, like, we love Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 4: we like to pay him too, we love draft picks, Like,

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Speaker 4: surely there's some way it can make sense either way.

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Speaker 4: Tee Higgins is going to be very very highly paid

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Speaker 4: and probably play for a very good team.

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Speaker 1: How realistic is it to pay Burrow, Chase and Higgins

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Speaker 1: long term?

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Speaker 4: You can do it, You could definitely do it, but

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Speaker 4: you have to cut out elsewhere. Now, the cap went

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Speaker 4: up more than anticipated, so I think that's significant, But

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Speaker 4: it also means agents are going to be asking for

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Speaker 4: more for all all across, all across the board, and

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Speaker 4: so you know you can do it, but then you're saying, like,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to pay as much for this backup tackle,

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Speaker 4: We're not going to pay as much for this guard,

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Speaker 4: this fourth linebacker or whatever.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 4: Like, the money is not finite too, It's all about

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Speaker 4: what decisions you make.

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Speaker 5: Now, there's two schools of thought.

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Speaker 4: You could be like, we're going to pay all receivers

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Speaker 4: to support Joe Burrow. But you can do what the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs do and go We got Patrick Mahomes. We trust

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Speaker 4: that he's going to develop just these guys whoever they are,

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Speaker 4: and we'll blow it up on defense. There are options

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Speaker 4: and how you win. It's gonna be fascinating to see

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Speaker 4: what direction the Bengals go.

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Speaker 1: Another scuttle butt question, Guys, there any talk out there

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Speaker 1: about Joe Mixon possibly being a cap casualty.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is like the third year in a

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Speaker 4: row that we're doing this.

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Speaker 5: And I will say the same thing as I always do.

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Speaker 5: Is there talk? Yes? Is it possible? Yes?

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Speaker 4: But it's such a good it fits so well that

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Speaker 4: I you know, you got to think they can figure

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Speaker 4: out a way to make this work. I just, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm callous to this, but like you see guys in

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Speaker 4: different uniforms all the time, I'm just not so sure

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Speaker 4: I see it.

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Speaker 5: In this case, We'll see.

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Speaker 1: The Borough contract really becomes significant in terms of the

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Speaker 1: cap next year. I think it's forty six million next year,

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Speaker 1: so they've got cap space right now. Do you view

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Speaker 1: this as a crucial off season for the Bengals in

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Speaker 1: terms of free agency, in building roster depth?

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Speaker 5: One hundred percent. This is how you do it right.

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Speaker 4: You take when you got space, you spend, spend wisely,

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Speaker 4: and then you buckle them for the years you don't

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Speaker 4: have space. So yeah, I would say as critical. No,

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Speaker 4: last year was probably all more critical just because of

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Speaker 4: the Joe contract.

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Speaker 5: But it gets a big decisions to.

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Speaker 1: Make and with that, Ian was hustled off to his

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Speaker 1: next interview, but I did appreciate a few minutes of

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Speaker 1: his time. He's part of the NFL's live coverage of

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Speaker 1: the Combine, and coverage starts at one o'clock on Saturday

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Speaker 1: and on Sunday. Finally, the primary reason the NFL descends

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Speaker 1: on Indianapolis is to study draft prospects. The Bengals have

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Speaker 1: the eighteenth overall selection this year and a total of

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Speaker 1: nine picks. They have extras in the fifth round and

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Speaker 1: seventh round. For an in depth look at the most

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Speaker 1: likely possibilities in round one, I spoke to Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: the draft guru for the athletic.

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 1: At the moment, the Bengals need a starting right tackle.

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Speaker 1: They have the eighteenth pick in the draft. Should they

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Speaker 1: be able to find a plug and play right tackle

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Speaker 1: at eighteen?

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Speaker 6: Hopefully? If you're the Bengals, that's the word. This is

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Speaker 6: a good year.

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Speaker 7: If you need offensive tackles in the top twenty, it's

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Speaker 7: just a matter of you project them as day one.

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Speaker 3: Guys?

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Speaker 6: Is this you know? Like I love Amarus mens from Georgia,

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Speaker 6: love them. This is if you're going to build an

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Speaker 6: offensive tackle in a lab. That's what it looks like.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: The way he's built, six seven, three thirty, very low

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Speaker 7: fat percentage, body fat percentage, the length is outstanding. I

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Speaker 7: can't wait to see him move here at the combine,

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Speaker 7: but eight career starts. You know what kind of projection

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Speaker 7: are we talking about with him? Tyler Geiton kind of

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Speaker 7: the same thing. Who another freak athlete is gonna test

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Speaker 7: really well? Here is gonna move really well? Do you

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Speaker 7: trust him enough with where he is currently in his

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Speaker 7: development to put him out there at right tackle from

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Speaker 7: day one? I think the answer to that question will

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Speaker 7: be different from team to team. Some teams will be

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Speaker 7: a little more optimistic and say, yeah, I think we can.

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Speaker 7: I think he'll be okay for us. Other teams will

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Speaker 7: be more skeptical. So I do think that there's not

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Speaker 7: a consensus answer. Team to team will look at it

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Speaker 7: a little bit differently. And for the Bengals, you know,

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Speaker 7: they've got a chance to probably draft one of those guys,

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Speaker 7: and if they do, we know they're probably gonna see

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Speaker 7: the field pretty early and it's gonna be a sink

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Speaker 7: or swim situation.

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Speaker 1: Mims and Geiten are both six seven guys. You gave

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Speaker 1: the measurables on the Marius Mims. Let me ask this question,

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Speaker 1: what tackle should we not get our hopes up for

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Speaker 1: who's almost certain to be gone by eighteen.

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Speaker 7: I mean Joe alt Notre Dame. I think he's the

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Speaker 7: best tackle in this class. I think he's the best

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Speaker 7: combination of everything that you want.

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Speaker 6: And I love his backstory.

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Speaker 7: You know, his dad was a pro bowler for Joe

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Speaker 7: Montana blocked over with Joe Montana in the early nineties.

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Speaker 7: But his dad didn't He didn't want his son to

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Speaker 7: be an offensive lineman right away.

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Speaker 6: He was a skill position player.

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Speaker 7: You know, he wanted to be him to be an athlete,

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Speaker 7: and even in high school he was a quarterback and

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Speaker 7: tight end. It wasn't until his senior year that he

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Speaker 7: really started moving to tackle and that I think really

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Speaker 7: helped him be an athlete first then become aligneman. In

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Speaker 7: the development he's shown year over year in Notre Dame

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Speaker 7: the last three years has been tremendous. So to me,

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Speaker 7: he's you know, he moves a lot, like different body type,

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Speaker 7: but he moves a lot with Jake Matthews with the Falcons,

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Speaker 7: and you know, if you have a chance to get

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Speaker 7: a Jake Matthews type of player somewhere in the top fifteen,

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Speaker 7: you're gonna do it.

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Speaker 6: So I don't think he's gonna laugh.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think Golu Fashnu, there's not a consensus

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Speaker 7: like he's he's a top ten guy among with teams,

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Speaker 7: just mostly because the run blocking stuff is not up

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Speaker 7: to par with his pass protection, but still a really

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Speaker 7: quality player.

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Speaker 6: I don't expect him to be there to.

654
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 7: Least Flaga not as freaky as these other guys, but

655
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 7: you can make the argument he's the best football player

656
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 7: of the group, and at the end of the day,

657
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 7: it's what we're drafting football players, and so I think

658
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 7: Flaga will be.

659
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 6: Gone at that point.

660
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 7: So I think another interesting name to keep in mind

661
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 7: is the Washington left tackle Troy Fontaineau, who is, in

662
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 7: my opinion, I think best at guard, but he can

663
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 7: play tackle, so he has a length for it, he

664
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 7: has the feet for it. I like him in terms

665
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 7: of maximizing what he can be as an inside player,

666
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 7: but the Bengals might see him as a tackle, and

667
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 7: so he's another name to keep in the mix.

668
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: You covered most of the tackles I have listed in

669
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: front of me. One name you did not mention was J. C.

670
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: Latham from Alabama. Do you see him as a right

671
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: tackle or as a guard?

672
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 6: He's a right tackle.

673
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 7: I think that he might be the strongest player in

674
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 7: the entire draft. I mean, he is that type of dude.

675
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 7: I don't think he'll be there, but there's a chance

676
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 7: because you know a team's gonna look at him as

677
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 7: a right tackle, only you know that might affect how

678
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 7: teams draft him. He's only played right tackle at Alabama

679
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 7: and so that's a factor here. Good chance he comes

680
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 7: off the board of the top fifteen picks, top sixteen picks.

681
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 7: But if you were to be there at eighteen, I

682
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 7: think he'd make a lot of sense.

683
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: We're talking to the athletics draft guru Dane Brugler. Let's say,

684
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the tackles that they like are all

685
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: gone when they're on the board at eighteen, they also

686
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: have a needed defensive tackle. What guys do you like

687
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: as potential first round picks in that spot.

688
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 7: I love Byron Murphy, you know, defensive tackle from Texas.

689
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 7: He's not necessarily exactly how you draw it up. He's

690
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 7: only six foot, but he is over three hundred pounds.

691
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 7: And I was talking to him last week. He's just

692
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 7: getting ready for the combine and just kind of talking

693
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 7: about because he's a freak catho him he's gonna run

694
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 7: on the four eight, so he's gonna put thirty five

695
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 7: reps on the bench, just talk talking about his journey

696
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 7: as a freak athlete. He never saw himself playing defensive line.

697
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 7: He saw himself as an NFL running back, and then

698
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 7: in high school he was a linebacker. And his sophomore year,

699
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 7: they put this pressure package together where they moved him

700
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 7: down to the defensive line, and they did it once,

701
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 7: did it twice.

702
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: And it worked.

703
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 7: Too well, because they're like, all right, you're staying here,

704
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 7: we're gonna add weight to you. And yeah, he broke

705
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 7: Von Miller's sack record at De Soto High School in

706
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 7: Texas really started to blossom, and then this past year

707
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 7: at Texas was he had the highest pass rush win

708
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 7: percentage among all interior defensive tackles. Long story store, I

709
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 7: don't think he's gonna be there at eighteen, but if

710
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 7: he is, that's to me, that'd be the easy note

711
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 7: brainer pick. Johnny Newton's a really good player too. Coming

712
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 7: off the foot injury, won't see him work out here.

713
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 7: But what I love most about Newton the guy that

714
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 7: you see in the fourth quarter with five minutes off

715
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 7: to go, the same hustle, the same effort you're seeing

716
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 7: with the first play of the game. He plays sixty

717
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 7: plus snaps a game and still the motor is still Revan.

718
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 6: He is a really impressive player.

719
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 7: Not gonna fit in terms of the length, in terms

720
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 7: with size measurements what teams are looking for, and not

721
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 7: gonna be a fit for everybody, but I think there's

722
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 7: a lot there where you just this is a good

723
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 7: football player, both against a run and against the pass.

724
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 7: So Newton somewhere say, between eighteen is probably the earliest.

725
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 7: I would see him going eighteen to thirty five. Somewhere

726
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 7: in that range is where I see Newton come off

727
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 7: the board.

728
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: DJ Reider is a free agent. He's also coming off

729
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: an injury. He's been the Bengals' best run stopping defensive tackle,

730
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: so that could be a need as well. I think

731
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: you have to and Andre Sweat in the thirties on

732
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: your big board. Big three hundred and sixty pound nose

733
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: tackle type wouldn't be a first round pick in all likelihood,

734
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: but could possibly be of interest in the second round

735
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: for the Bengals.

736
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: What should we know about Sweat?

737
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 6: We think he's three sixty, but it could be higher

738
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 6: than that.

739
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 7: He is a big boy, but it doesn't look like

740
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 7: he's overweight, Like he just carries this all this muscle

741
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 7: mass in this body weight really naturally for him, so

742
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 7: much power and his.

743
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 6: Legs and his upper body.

744
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 7: During the Senior Bowl one on once he was just

745
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 7: bullying guys backwards and it's all over his tape too.

746
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 7: But he moves with agility for a guy that side,

747
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 7: so he's moving laterally making plays versa a run He's

748
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 7: not just a I'm gonna be a nose tackle, eat

749
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 7: up doubles and double teams and you know, play in

750
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 7: my square and that's it.

751
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 6: He has some range to him.

752
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 7: Now, can he play forty plus naps a game and

753
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 7: still give you that same range every single play?

754
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 6: That's kind of the question mark.

755
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 7: That's why we're probably talking about more of a second

756
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 7: rounder than a first rounder. But what he did this

757
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 7: past year for Texas, him and Murphy working together was

758
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 7: really impressive.

759
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: So if you asked one hundred Bengals fans who they

760
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: would like to see Cincinnati select this year, ninety nine

761
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: would probably say brock Bowers. That seems to be the

762
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: fantasy pick at number eighteen. I personally don't think it's realistic.

763
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: But is there a universe where brock Bowers, for whatever reason,

764
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: could be there at eighteen.

765
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 7: You don't rule it out because it's the position that

766
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 7: he plays. There will be a lot of teams that

767
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 7: won't even consider a tight end. It doesn't matter how

768
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 7: good you are. They're not gonna consider a tight end

769
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 7: in the top top half a round one. And so

770
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 7: then you so you eliminate those teams, then you eliminate

771
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 7: the teams that already have a tight end, they're not

772
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 7: gonna draft one. And how many teams do you have left?

773
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 7: You know, it's maybe the Colts at fifteen, Maybe if

774
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 7: the Chargers trade back from five. Like it's when you

775
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 7: do a mock draft, it could be hard to find

776
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 7: exact landing spots that make a ton of sense. But

777
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 7: I'm with you, I'd be very surprised just because he's

778
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 7: that too good.

779
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 6: You know, he's a top ten player in this draft.

780
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 7: He's you have to have a plan for him because

781
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 7: he's not just a traditional wide tight end.

782
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 6: Line them up in line and we'll run our offense.

783
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 7: You have to heat the versatility with his athleticism is

784
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 7: what makes them special, what makes a weapon. You have

785
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 7: to be able to tap into that. So you're lining

786
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 7: them up wide, he's gonna be in the slot, he's

787
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 7: gonna be in line, backfield. You have to be creative

788
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 7: with him. And he's so good. He's so athletic. Before

789
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 7: the catch, he's gonna get open. He's so strong at

790
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 7: the catch, he's gonna win. It doesn't matter what crowds

791
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 7: around him. He's gonna win contested balls. And then he's

792
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 7: the master of the hidden yards after the catch seven

793
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 7: yard gains for most tight ends. He's getting eleven because

794
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 7: he's just he turns into a running back. He's hard

795
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 7: to bring down. So you know, the brock Bauers conversation is, yeah.

796
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 6: You have to.

797
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 7: You look around the league and you see a lot

798
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 7: of second, third, fourth round tight ends that are doing

799
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 7: just fine. You're paying a premium with a first round

800
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 7: tight end. But when you think about the impact he

801
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 7: can make on your offense, and if your play caller

802
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 7: is on board with making sure you're utilizing him to

803
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 7: maximize the cost, yeah, you're getting a steal at that point.

804
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Dame Brugler from The Athletic is our guest. I think

805
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: a lot of those Bengals fans who have locked in

806
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: on brock Bowers is their fantasy draft pick don't even

807
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: know the other tight ends in this draft. He's obviously

808
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: not the only one. Who are some of the other

809
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: ones you like?

810
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 7: I think if you're looking second round, Jatavian Sanders from

811
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 7: Texas is a really athletic player. Wish he put more

812
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 7: on film in the red zone, but it's just not

813
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 7: how Texas offense operated. Once you get into a third round.

814
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 7: I really like the TCU kid, Jre Wiley, He's a

815
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 7: good player. Cade Stover from Ohio State, Theo Johnson Penn State.

816
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 7: It's not a great tight end class, especially in the

817
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 7: first two rounds, but I think third round, fourth round,

818
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 7: fifth round, there are more than a few names that

819
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 7: make sense if you're looking forward a true why if

820
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 7: you're looking for more of a joker tight end, if

821
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 7: you're looking for a combo guy that can do a

822
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 7: little bit of both.

823
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 6: So yeah, this draft, I think at tight.

824
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 7: End, if you're willing to be patient, there are definitely

825
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 7: some really talented players that could end up panning out

826
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 7: playing where they're drafted.

827
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: The Bengals are franchise tag T Higgins. I think most

828
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: of us expecting to be in Cincinnati for one more

829
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: year and then it might be unrealistic to keep both

830
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and t Higgins. Should the Bengal be looking

831
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: for a t Higgins replacement in this draft because it

832
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: seems like there are always some great wide receivers out there.

833
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you obviously, maybe not with your first

834
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 7: round pick, or maybe not with your second round pick,

835
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 7: but sure, yeah, you always keep an open mind too,

836
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 7: you know, wide receivers become. It's always been an important position,

837
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 7: but it's become even more so with just today's modern

838
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 7: day NFL. So yeah, you keep an eye on who's

839
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 7: someone we can develop, Who's someone that is not gonna

840
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 7: cost us a premium pick, but two years from now,

841
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 7: is gonna be someone that's gonna we expect to be

842
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 7: competing for a starting job. So you know, whether that's

843
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 7: a Troy Franklin in the second round or you know,

844
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 7: I think in my top one hundred I had seventeen

845
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 7: receivers in there. I mean, it's just I'm convinced the

846
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 7: rest of time, every year's gonna be strong a receiver

847
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 7: because that's where all the athletes go. If you're not

848
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 7: good enough to play quarterback, you're going to receiver in

849
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 7: high school and youth football and all that. So you

850
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 7: know you're developing at that position and you really have

851
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 7: a chain as a shine.

852
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm you look at receiver.

853
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 7: I'm not sure how early they would actually pull the

854
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 7: trigger there, but if you're gonna if you want a

855
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 7: position with depth wide receiver, this year certainly has in

856
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 7: so you don't have to go with that position early.

857
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 7: You can wait to the fourth round still come away

858
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 7: with a pretty good player.

859
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: You've been doing this for a while. Your draft guide

860
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: the Beast is the best one out there. Have the

861
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: Bengals developed a draft personality or a proto type in

862
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: your mind when you think Bengals, Is there something where

863
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: the draft is concerned that you say, all right, that's

864
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: a Cincinnati Bengals kind of guy.

865
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 7: I think, well, first of all, when you're doing a

866
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 7: mock draft, you don't bother trading, you know, moving around

867
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 7: with the Bengals, you know they're gonna stick.

868
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 6: A pick, right.

869
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 7: I was thinking about that with my last mock draft, like, oh,

870
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Speaker 7: what would they move up six spots to get brought

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Speaker 7: by this the Bengals, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 7: They're not going to do that, but I think that

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Speaker 7: they they do place a premium on the key positions,

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Speaker 7: you know, whether it defensive line, offensive line, quarterback, wide receiver, corner.

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Speaker 7: You know, like this is a team that it feels

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Speaker 7: like that's it with those early picks, those first rounders specifically,

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Speaker 7: they want to get the premium position right. And they're

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Speaker 7: look at their draft history with the way they they've drafted,

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Speaker 7: certainly certainly looks that they want to do so this year.

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Speaker 7: Right tackle makes a ton of sense if they want

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Speaker 7: to get better on defensive tackle. Yeah, I think they're

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Speaker 7: a meat and potatoes type of team when it comes

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Speaker 7: to drafting.

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Speaker 6: They don't.

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Speaker 7: You know, maybe John Ross is the last time they

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Speaker 7: really got caught up and maybe like the flash of

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Speaker 7: a player instead of focusing on maybe just the premium

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Speaker 7: that you can the player can bring you. So Yeah,

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Speaker 7: this is a team that I wouldn't say they're easy

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Speaker 7: to project by any means, but I think.

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Speaker 6: We have a better feel for the type of player

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Speaker 6: that usually go after.

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Speaker 1: I am one of approximately five hundred people looking for

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Speaker 1: your time here at the NFL Scouting Combine. I promise

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Speaker 1: to keep it under fifteen minutes, and I succeeded. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Look forward to devouring the.

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Speaker 6: Bait all right anytime.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. That's going to do it.

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