1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, this is It Could Happen here, a podcast 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: about things falling apart sometimes about putting things back together. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: This is one of the former episodes, because we are 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: recording this in the immediate wake, within a couple of 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: hours of America's the United States of America's most recent 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: mass shooting in Tennessee at a Christian school called Covenant. 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: You know, obviously there are way too many mass shootings 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: in the United States for us to cover each one. 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: We are talking about this now in a timely manner 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: because there's a bunch of very specific disinformation coming out 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: about it, and particularly disinformation that is part of the 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: broader targeting by the right wing of transgender people. So 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to for the first part of this, I'm 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: going to turn things over to Garrison, who has been 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: doing specific research on the shooter and what we can 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: actually verify at this moment about their identity. Upfront, I'll 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: say that the police have identified this person as Audrey 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: Hale twenty eight of Nashville NBC News notes quote who 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: said she identifies as transgender. Again, this is not quite right. 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: We'll talk about it, but the right wing is obviously 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: running with the idea that this is a transgender shooter 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: and part of a trans a series. They will argue 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: of transgender attacks on Christians. We're going to talk about 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: the right wing sort of analysis of this later, but 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: first I'm going to again push to Garrison, who will 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: talk about what we actually can verify about this person 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: and about this shooting at this point. Yeah, just as 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: a note here, throughout this episode, there will be some 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: what is probably miss gendering because we're going to be 30 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: quoting from a lot of other people's statements, and also 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: there will be mentions of like a few slurs against 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: trans people just because we are quoting from a whole 33 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff and some of the details regarding the 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: gender of the person in question is relatively unknown at 35 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: the time. So just as a heads up, Okay, So yeah, 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go just gonna go over a few things 37 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: regarding what we know happened, what the school was, because 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: I think that kind of that might play into it, 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: but that will kind of veer on speculation, So we're 40 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: just going to limit it towards what we actually know 41 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: and then to attempt to avoid speculation on this episophere. Yes, 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: so someone caring multipier arms entered a private Christian school 43 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: in Nashville this Monday morning and shot and killed three 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: nine year old students and three adult staff members in 45 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: their sixties, including the head of the school, doctor Katherine Khans. 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: Police initially claimed the shooter was a teenager, but minutes 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: later changed course and described them as a twenty eight 48 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: year old woman from Nashville. It was then reported pretty 49 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: quickly in NBC News that the shooter was identified as 50 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: Audrey Hale, twenty eight, of Nashville, and the police chief 51 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: said she identifies as transgender. NBC has another article out 52 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: there that says Audrey Hale, twenty eight, who police say 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: was a transgender woman, quote unquote. So we will get 54 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: into that here in a sec But the shooter entered 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: the Covenant School via a side door, according to the 56 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: Metro Nashville Police spokesperson Don Aaron, and was armed with 57 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: at least two quote unquote assault style rifles and a 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: handgun unquote. It looks like it's an er rifle and 59 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: an air pistol and then also a handgun. Nashville Police 60 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: Chief John Drake has said, quote at one point she 61 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: was a student at that school, but we are unsure 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: of what year unquote, and that Hale shot through the 63 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: door to gain entry into the school. The shooter made 64 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: their way through the first and second floors at the school, 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: firing multiple shots before Hale was killed by police on 66 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: the school's second floor. So it's assumed by the police 67 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: at this point, and they may have evidence that it's 68 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: not been like made public yet that the shooter did 69 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: attend to school, but they are unsure for like exactly 70 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: how long and what years specifically. I think it's important 71 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: to mention a few things about the school just because 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: this is a very unique mass shooting in a lot 73 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: of ways, mass shootings at private schools, let alone private 74 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: Christian schools is very rare. And this is also like 75 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: a preschool through sixth grade school. So the Covenant School 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: is a preschool through sixth grade private Christian school founded 77 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, and it shares the same 78 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: location as Covenant Presbyterian Church. The website states it has 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: thirty three teaching faculty and around two hundred enrolled students 80 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: per year, with tuition at around sixteen thousand dollars a year. 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: According to the school's website. To quote, the Covenant School 82 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: is a ministry of Covenant Presbyterian Church created to assist 83 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: Christian parents and the church by providing an exceptional academic 84 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: experience founded upon and informed by the Word of God. So, 85 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, this this is something that's pretty similar 86 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: to the type of Christian school that I grew up in. 87 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: It's the school that's attached to this church. I also 88 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: had around two hundred fellow students, so that this seems 89 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: seems to be relatively pretty similar and not super uncommon 90 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: for this type of private Christian school. Um, that's kind 91 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: of all I'm going to get into that here. I mean, 92 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: I've I've looked around the school's website a lot, and 93 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: it seems pretty pretty basic in terms of these types 94 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: of Presbyterian private Christian schools. But now we're gonna start 95 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: getting into some of this stuff regarding the identity of 96 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: the shooter, and a lot there's because there's a lot 97 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: a lot of information going around. NBC News is now 98 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: claiming that the shooter is a transgender woman. I don't 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: think that's fully accurate, Um, but we're gonna expect quoting 100 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: directly from the Yeah, this is to be fair, I mean, 101 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: partly NBC's fault because more they should have done as 102 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: much research as you did, Garrison. Yeah, but they are 103 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: quoting the police. Yeah. Yes, The gist is that the 104 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: police identified this as a transgender woman. They have a manifesto. 105 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: We don't know what's in the manifesto, but yeah, police 106 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: continue gare Yeah, and I guess, I guess one of 107 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: the things that's reported is after police said this was 108 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: a transgender woman. They also talked about how Hale had 109 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: conducted surveillance and prepared for the attack with detailed maps, 110 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: and then also the aforementioned to benifesto. But yes, we're 111 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna move on to some of the stuff 112 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: that we do know using just basic open source research stuff. 113 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: So there is a LinkedIn page for someone named Audrey 114 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: Hale in the Nashville area. They list a lot of 115 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: various like illustration jobs they've had for the past few years, 116 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: and they do have a little pronoun marker next to 117 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: their name that says he him. Hale appears to have 118 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: had a website for their graphic design portfolio called AH Illustrations, 119 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: so just their initials AH. They have posts in they're 120 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: being tagged from twenty twenty three from twenty twenty two, 121 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: so it's been at least up for two years. I 122 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: tried to do like um metadata stuff on some of 123 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: their artwork. I did not really get much in terms 124 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: of what year they were posted, but we may be 125 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: able to learn more about that later. The website has 126 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: an about page that introduces the person as Audrey Hale, 127 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 1: but it also directs you to a now vanished Instagram 128 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: page called at Creative period Aiden. So we're going to 129 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: go through some of the rights initial stuff a bit later, 130 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: because they were already calling us a transgender shooting before 131 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: any information came out at all, as a part of 132 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: the Sam Hide joke. Yeah, for reference, Sam Hide is 133 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: kind of a right wing comedian who had a show 134 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: on Adult Swim For the last several years. It has 135 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: been a meme to every time there's a shooting, there's 136 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: a specific picture of Sam Hide holding a rifle that 137 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: people will post and say, I'm getting this picture that 138 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, this was the shooter at whatever. It's been 139 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: at Parkland, it's been at El Paso, it's been at Duvaldi. 140 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Every single shooting this happens. And with this shooting, someone 141 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: photoshopped some ladies head onto sam Hide and claimed immediately 142 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: that it was a transgender person. This also ties into 143 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: the Highland Park shooting, where the shooter wore women's clothing 144 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: at some point to try to escape, and the right 145 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: contain unusually tries to claim that that makes it a 146 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: transgender shooting. Anyway, Please continue, gare yes. So, by going 147 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: through their online portfolio dated as far back as twenty 148 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: twenty two, I found a self portrait that has a 149 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: that has a different social media user name titled at 150 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: cree dot tiv Dre. I think Dre is for like Audre, 151 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: and this also appears to be an old Instagram handle 152 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: before they changed it to at Creative. Aiden Hale's website 153 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: also has another self portrait just tagged with the name 154 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Aiden and Aiden Creates. That one appears to be from 155 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: maybe slightly after, but it's kind of unclear with how 156 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: the website is laid out. So although the Instagram page 157 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: for this person appears to be taken down, it's unknown 158 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: if they took it down or if Instagram took it down, 159 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: but it is gone and there's no archive of it. 160 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: It appears that Hale did have other social media accounts 161 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: that are still online. Besides the aforementioned LinkedIn, a TikTok 162 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: account by the name of I am Underscore Aiden ten 163 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: shares a profile picture with Hale's own website, and it 164 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: also links to Hale's Instagram page, which is mentioned on 165 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: Hale's website. The TikTok was seldom active, but their first 166 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: visible post is from March fifteenth, twenty twenty two. There 167 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: are two other posts from that month, and all three 168 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: of these posts are like about late nineties early two 169 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: thousands video game nostalgia. And thanks to TikTok's use her 170 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: name embedding feature, we can see that the account used 171 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: to be called Audrey Video Game Nerd Underscore ten before 172 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: being changed to I am Aiden ten sometime between March 173 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: sixteenth and April fifteenth of last year. Hale's last visible 174 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: post is just from over a month ago, February ninth, 175 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And yeah, just as a note, kind, 176 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: I've gone over less of this than you, but I've 177 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: I've combed over what's available. I don't notice any of 178 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: the normal red flags. There's not even like pictures of 179 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: this person posing with firearms. There's not threats. There's one 180 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: video where they seem to be mourning a friend or 181 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: a relative. But it's a pretty normal, like in memoriam 182 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: style video. None of their art strikes me as disturbing 183 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: in any way. No, it's at least one red ram 184 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: one they have. They have one piece of Shining fan 185 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: art that the Right's been using. It sticks out, but 186 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: also like the Shining is one of the most popular 187 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: movies of all time. Yeah, no, nothing nothing. As someone 188 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: who's looked through the social media accounts of a lot 189 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: of shooters, this account is relatively normal, like they there's 190 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: nothing in here that would be immediately red flags. They 191 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: did a lot of like corporate work. I think I 192 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: think they did artwork for the city of Denver. Yeah, 193 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: it looks like it. They were being commissioned to do 194 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: graphic design for a lot of businesses, a lot of 195 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: like local events in Nashville. Um. There's one other thing 196 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: from their site that I will mentioned part of their bio. 197 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: They have this sentence that says there is a childlike 198 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: part of me that loves to go and run around 199 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: on the playground, and the Rights using this in like 200 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: a like a weird like a groomer way, being like, 201 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, this this kid wants this adult wants 202 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: to go around with two playgrounds and their Childlike this 203 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: is this is a completely normal thing to say. This 204 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: is like, this is not a red flag. This is 205 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: I also enjoy going on the playground. This is not 206 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: a red flag either. This is just part of weird 207 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: culture war stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I have another thing about 208 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: being a kid forever and ever as well. It just 209 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: seems that they connected with childhood things and those kind 210 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, and like psychologically, maybe being kind of 211 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: stuck in the past or whatever is a part of 212 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: how they describe or justify this in their manifesto. We 213 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: just don't know. But the point of the matter is 214 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: if you had looked at this person's social media prior, 215 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: and this is very different from most shooters, you would 216 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: not have thought, oh, this is a person who is 217 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: of danger to people. There's there's just not signs in it. 218 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean. The one thing that is the kind of 219 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: last thing I'll mentioned is the I think the two 220 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: other adults that were shot. One was a custodian, There 221 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: was a was a I think it was like a 222 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: substitute teacher. Um. They were all in their sixties. Um. 223 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: It's unclear how long those two other people have been 224 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: with the school of the head of the school has 225 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: been been there for a while. Um, but I mean 226 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: because because it is a preschool through sixth grade school, um, 227 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: Hale would not have been at the school relatively recently. 228 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: I can try to I'm trying, I'm trying to do 229 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: like quick math here to be like if you would 230 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: if you be in sixth grade and you're now twenty eight, 231 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: seventeen years ago, yeah, eleven years old, right, Americans five? Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, 232 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's certainly it's it's started in two 233 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: thousand and one. So yeah, that's that is that is 234 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: that is possible. Yeah. I do want to note a 235 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: couple of things before we move on to the right 236 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: ring wing reaction. One of them just kind of again 237 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: to to sort of boil it down based on what 238 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: is available publicly, we know this person seems to have 239 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: been born and raised as Audrey. Hale started going by 240 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: Aiden at the latest sometime last year. Their LinkedIn shows 241 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: them at that point as using he him pronouns, but 242 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: still but still with the name Audrey, but still with 243 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: the name Audrey. It is actually very much at this 244 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: point still unclear how they exact precisely identified what pronouns 245 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: they used. We certainly don't know whether or not they 246 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: were on any kind of like hormones, not that that 247 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: would have an impact on any of this, but we 248 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: have very little actual information. The police are saying that 249 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: they identify themselves as transgender in the manifesto. At some 250 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: point we might learn more as a result of that, 251 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: but but it is. It is a lot of what's 252 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: being put out as either unclear or you know, wrong 253 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: in one way or the other. There's just a lot 254 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: of information that is kind of missing about this person. 255 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: People are jumping to conclusions on stuff, so we will 256 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: probably learn more there later. One more note on this, 257 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: The police are the ones that initiated the use of 258 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: the term manifesto. Of now, there was no manifesto published 259 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: by the shooter. We do not know if this is 260 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: a quote unquote manifesto like at all. The police have 261 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: claimed that they found writing when they rated this person's house, 262 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: So this writing discussing things around their gender or what 263 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: they were doing this. This could be anything from like 264 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: a suicide note to just like a diary or a journal. 265 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: So by using the word manifesto, they're kind of trying 266 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: to tie it into that we simply at this point 267 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: do not know if this was a manifesto at all, 268 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: Like we just that is that is a very loaded 269 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: term in this context. I think it's notable that the 270 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: shooter did not publish anything. Whereas usually when there's like manifestos, 271 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: they are published online, right the shooter, the shooter themselves 272 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: will publish it online, and that is kind of part 273 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: of their entire attack. That is not the case here. 274 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: The shooter did not publish anything about this attack online 275 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: that we've or that we've found, or that anyone's found. 276 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: So I think that's an important thing to note when 277 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about the use of the word manifesto here 278 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: in terms of like the importance of a manifesto, you know, 279 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: speaking of someone who has written professionally about a number 280 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: of them. Manifestos are obviously useful, especially when trying to 281 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: analyze why someone did something, what their political goal may 282 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: have been, if they're indeed there's a political goal, what 283 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: their radicalization pathway has been. But a crucial thing is 284 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: to never ever take a manifesto purely at face value. 285 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: Manifestos are political writings by terrorists, right, That is what 286 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: a manifesto is, and they are writings that are kind 287 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: of calculated to achieve a goal. And I don't know 288 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: what this person put in their manifesto. Their manifesto must 289 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: just have been a perfectly accurate summation of their feelings 290 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: of why they did this terrible thing. That's possible, we 291 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: sit We don't know at this point. But manifestos are 292 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: a part of understanding a shooting and what the goal 293 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: was of the shooting and what the individual hope to accomplish. 294 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: But they cannot and never should be taken at face value. 295 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of media are going to 296 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: do if this every does get public. So please always 297 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: show care and skepticism of directly reading from a manifesto, 298 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: Like even in the case, you know, there's just a lot, 299 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: like in the christ Church manifesto of like bullshit, shit posting, 300 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: jokes and stuff thrown in there with the real stuff. 301 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: It's generally possible to us to get to gather and 302 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: understand motive from a manifesto, and I am you know, 303 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I will read it if it becomes available, but be 304 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: very careful with such things. Um. Yeah, speaking of not 305 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: being careful, let's talk about the right wing response to 306 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: this um because I think, broadly speaking, it's fair to 307 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: characterize it as they are claiming this is part of 308 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: a line of terror attacks by transgender people. There's a 309 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: lot of folks saying that this is reason to ban 310 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: gender affirming care, to ban hormone therapy, to ban trans 311 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: people from purchasing firearms. This is a pretty rampant on 312 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: the right already. It became very quickly, so I actually 313 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: want to go over one thing I just came up 314 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: and saw while Gare was talking that I think is 315 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: interesting as Candice Owens. Candice Owens is a right wing commentator, 316 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: unfortunately quite influential and a sizable platform. I want to 317 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: quote from her response. Her initial response was the immediate 318 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: response when all the information was out was that there'd 319 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: been a shooting at this school. I live in Green Hills, 320 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: and I'm positively devastated for the families impacted by this tragedy. 321 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: Please suspend your politics and instead do what these families 322 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: at this Christian school would want. Pray. That's a perfectly 323 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: reasonable response, at least for somebody who believes in prayer. 324 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: Within a matter of like an hour or so, it 325 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: became clear that or information began to come out that 326 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: the shooter was likely transgender, at which point Candace suspended 327 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: her statement about not making it politics. She posted shortly after, 328 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: transgenderism as a mental illness. Keep your children away from 329 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: transgendent individuals and their parents. People that support and encourage 330 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: as their monsters and should be kept away from children. 331 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: They yelled at Matt Walsh made a statement, why haven't 332 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: we be given the name of the mass shooter yet? 333 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: And Candace responded, because they're wiping the socials so they 334 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: can make things up about the person. She noted, as 335 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: to a post by Matt Walsh being like, the question 336 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: is why this culture is producing so many people who 337 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: want to carry out attacks like this. Take the guns 338 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: and you'll still have a country infested by homicidal sociopaths. 339 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: Where they're coming from, what is creating them? Candas responded, 340 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: I would start with the fact that we now celebrate 341 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: clinical insanity while we admonish normalcy. People are aspiring to 342 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: mental illness because they receive attention and off times are 343 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: awarded for perversity. She is essentially taking the stance of like, 344 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: we have to blame this on the fact that this 345 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: person was transgender, and being transgender is a mental illness. Right. 346 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: That's the stance Canvas is taking. That's the stance a 347 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: lot of folks are taking. One of the most widely 348 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: shared posts from a right winger on this was by 349 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: a guy named DC Underscore Draino notes himself as a husband, patriot, lawyer, constitutionalist, 350 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: and anti woke. He has six hundred eighty six thousand 351 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: followers on Twitter. He has been relentless in posting about 352 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: this as an act of transgender terror. He has spread 353 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: at some of the information that Garrison added on this 354 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: podcast about this person's social media posts, and his posts 355 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: are some of the most widely read and like that 356 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: I've seen. One of them reads unconfirmed reports identify the 357 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: Nashville shooter as Audrey Hale, a biological female that identifies 358 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: as he him on their LinkedIn authorities believe the transgender 359 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: shooter previously attended the Christian school. He then follows, we 360 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: will not let this story be swept under the rug. 361 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: Trans terrorism must be confronted head on and stopped. Tennessee 362 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: just passed laws restricting sextualized drag shows for children, in 363 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: banning the genital mutilation of children was today's mass shooting 364 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: at a Christian school by a transgender killer and act 365 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: of domestic terror? And when will we start talking about 366 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: transgender mass murders targeting innocent school children in our schools? 367 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: Enough as enough? And in this they posted a link 368 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: to a reader's story about a shooting from last year. 369 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: I think it was in Colorado in Denver. This was 370 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: a shooting where two people, one of whom was transgender, 371 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: walked into a school in Denver and shot at several 372 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: class mates, killing one. They claimed it was revenged on 373 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: classmates over bullying. The McKinney, the transgender shooter, has been 374 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: sentenced recently, so it's been in the news. This is 375 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: being built as like a transgender terrorist attack because spoiler, 376 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: there's very few cases of trans people carrying out acts 377 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: of violence, so they're kind of grabbing what they can 378 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: in order to try and make an argument that this 379 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: is part of a trend. In the absence of any 380 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: kind of manifesto, people are claiming that transidentity motivated the killings. 381 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: The police seem to have helped to jump start this. 382 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: All right, So first off, we're going to play before 383 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: we continue. We're going to play a clip of the 384 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: police press conference where the police chief of Nashville talks 385 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: about what has happened and talks about the information that 386 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: they have about the shooter based on the apparently the 387 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: manifesto that they have in the maps that they have. 388 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: So we're going to play that now. Our investigations tell 389 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: us that she was a former student at the school. 390 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: I don't know what grades she's attended on grades, but 391 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: we do firmly believe she was a student there. She 392 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: does identify as transient. Yes, history, no history at all, 393 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: and no motive. Is disappointed to anything discovered in the 394 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: apartment or house. No, we have a manifesto. We have 395 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: some writings that we're going over that pertain to this day, 396 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: the actual incident. We have a map drawn out of 397 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: how this was all going to take place. Uh, there's 398 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: right now a theory of that's that we may be 399 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: able to talk about later, but it's not confirmed, and 400 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: so we'll we'll put that out as soon as we can. 401 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: There's any reason to believe that how she identifies as 402 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: any motive order targeting school, we can give you that 403 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: at a later tim There is uh some theory to that. 404 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: We're investigating all the leads and once we know exactly, 405 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: we'll let you know it was woman. Don't know any 406 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: history of nimetal illness at this time, but we are 407 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: looking at that. Investigation is on going and I'm sorry, 408 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: woman a woman, all right? So yeah, Garrison, you want 409 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: to start off here? Yeah, I think giving like the 410 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: most charitable reading of that, I think it's possible that 411 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: this police chief does not have as a as a 412 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: full art. I don't think this police chief has as 413 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: an in uh as an in depth understanding of gender 414 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: theory as some of us or the listeners do. So 415 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: it is just confused by that question is it a 416 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: trans man or a trans woman? And he answers by saying, yeah, 417 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: they're trans, but they are a woman. Um, So I 418 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: think that that could be what's going on. And then 419 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: we have outlets like NBC News saying that the person's 420 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: a transgender woman because they also are, for one, not 421 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: doing like very basic digging online and are also just 422 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: making are just usually enjoy repeating the police's talking points 423 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: when stuff like this happens, because it's just easier. Hey, everybody, 424 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: Robert here. Shortly after we finished this, the police chief 425 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: of Nashville, John Drake went on Lester Holt's NBC show 426 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: and gave another statement that was much more accurate than 427 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: the previous statement that we just played you, which the 428 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: right wing is making a lot of hay out of. 429 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: In the statement, they note that the shooter attended the 430 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: school as a child and was resentful of the school 431 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: and of being forced to attend it, that the school 432 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: was the target and not any specific individual, and that 433 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: the victims were random. They also owe in this statement 434 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: to Lester Holt, the police chief makes a lot less 435 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: of a deal about the fact that the shooter was 436 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: trans It seems like the first statement that they made 437 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: was based on either incomplete information or in the at 438 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: the moment. But I'm going to play you this statement 439 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: and then we will continue the episode. It sounds like 440 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: things are moving very quickly. You describe this as a 441 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: targeted attack, and you elaborate absolutely so. The person we 442 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: know as Audrey Hale, she's a twenty eight year old Nashvillion. 443 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: We have belief, or we feel that it's very strongly 444 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: that she went to school here in the Nashville area 445 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: and she went to that actual school, and and so 446 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: there's some belief that there was some resentment for having 447 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: to go to that school. Don't have all the details 448 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: of that just yet, and and that's why this incident occurred. 449 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: Did Hale target in your mind, did Hale target the 450 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: school or someone in the school? She targeted random students 451 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: in the school, just whoever, and and persons whoever she 452 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: came in contact with, she fired rounds. You recovered what 453 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: you've described as a manifesto. You've also said that Hale 454 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: identified as trans. Do you believe there is a connection 455 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: to that. We feel that he identifies as trans. But 456 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: we're still in the initial investigation into all of that, 457 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: and if it actually played a role into this incident, 458 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: as we know more, we'll definitely make that known. But 459 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: right now we'll ensure if that actually played a role. 460 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: But does the manifesto point you in a particular direction 461 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: that you can reveal it does? It has in the 462 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: initial investigation. We've turned it over to the FBI. We've 463 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: looked over it as well, and it indicates that there 464 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: was going to be shootings at multiple locations and the 465 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: school was one of them. That was actually a map 466 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: of the school detail and surveillance entry points and how 467 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: this was going to be carried out on this day. Yeah, 468 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think a big part of this is 469 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: that after a mass shooting in any national paper or 470 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: other media outlet, you're always trying to be first with something, 471 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: and that creates a situation where like, you don't fact yet, 472 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: you don't do the basic ocent looking up right, You 473 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: just like cops have said something, get it out, get 474 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: the most, get a ton of cliques, and then that 475 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: leads to the disappointing sort of repetition of half or 476 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: like in falsehoods that we're seeing. Yeah, and it leads 477 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: to it provides a lot of So one thing that 478 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: the right has always understood is that the immediate aftermath 479 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: of a story that breaks into the news is you 480 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: call it the wet cement period, where if people are 481 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: talking about it, if you can, if you can lasso 482 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: a narrative and drag it out in front of everybody 483 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: and get momentum behind it, then that effectively becomes reality 484 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: for an awful lot of people. And it's very important, 485 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: which is why they're all immediately falling into line on this. 486 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: One of the posts that I just ran across is 487 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: from Benny Johnson, who's a right wing media guy. So 488 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: Benny Johnson says the Colorado springshooter identified as non binary, 489 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: the Dinver shooter identified as trans, the Aberdeen shooter identified 490 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: as trans, the Nashville shooter identified as trans. One thing 491 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: is very clear, the modern trans movement is radicalizing activists 492 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: into terrorists. Elon Musk responded to this with an exclamation point, 493 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: which is great. The Colorado spring shooter was not non binary. 494 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: The Colorado Springshooters lawyers made that claim briefly while they 495 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: were trying to cobble together a defense after this person 496 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: killed two trans people and shot up an LGBT nightclub. 497 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: The Dinver shooter is the person we just talked about. Well, 498 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean also they also could be referring to that 499 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: to that yes, probably yeah, yeah, and um yeah. It's 500 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: uh like it's it's it's frustrating, like what they're doing 501 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: with this stuff here, Like it's very obvious, especially in 502 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: trying to wrap in the attack of a right wing 503 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: terrorist on an LGBT UM club to part like to 504 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: an act of like claiming that it's an act of 505 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: transgender terrorism. UM. A lot of this is spreading, particularly 506 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: among people who paid for blue check marks on the 507 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: New Twitter because that's like, yeah, this is kind of 508 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: the first mass shooting we have had in the new 509 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: Elon's kind of new check mark thing, where like people 510 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: are able to kind of verify themselves for money, and 511 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: we're about to see all of the old verified accounts 512 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: loose verification. Um. We'll talk a little bit more about 513 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: how well that's actually working for them later, which is 514 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: actually less clear. Um, so that's possibly a positive thing. 515 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's pretty obvious. Andy knows posted 516 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: about this. He's another He works for a place called 517 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: The Post Millennial. He's a right wing ghoul. He says 518 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: the shooting comes amid a surge of far left death 519 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: threats in Tennessee over the states, you know, anti trans laws. 520 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: He provides no evidence of this. He does quote or 521 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: site an Eminem's ad that Audrey Hale made that is 522 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: like a Pride ad that says born this way. You know, 523 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: it's like a rainbow of Eminem's that says born this 524 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: Way appears to be something that they may have done 525 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: for money. I don't know, isn't really relevant to the situation. 526 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: One of the uglier posts that I found on the 527 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: right comes from a guy who identifies himself as an 528 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: American dissident. Stu Peters, he's the executive producer of Died Suddenly, 529 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: which is one of these right wing attempts to connect 530 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: every single death of a person who got vaccinated to 531 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: the vaccination, which is a ghoulish thing to do anyway. 532 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, they initially leapt into there's a lot of 533 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: like ugliness in here. Stu is one of the more 534 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: open folks, calling them a tranny named Audrey Hale who 535 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: is a former student of Covenant School. They kind of 536 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: interpret the police statement, which is at least very warbly, 537 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: as the police saying this was a direct attack on Christians, 538 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: which the cops have not yet said. Stu posts police 539 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: admit this was a targeted attack on Christians by a 540 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: demonic tranny for some context. Another one of his posts 541 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: is arguing that Zelinski is waging war on Christians. So 542 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, this is a should be seen with guys 543 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: like this in addition to being the troubling thing that 544 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: it is part of kind of the broader like echo 545 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: chamber that the right has set up for itself, Like 546 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: this is troubling and problematic and to a degree frightening, 547 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: and they're going to continue to try to push for 548 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: disarming trans people. As a result of this, I suspect 549 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: we'll see states introduced bills that are red flag laws 550 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: just for trans people. This is the kind of thing 551 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: that I am worried about, but it also is kind 552 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 1: of worth seeing this as this is very much in 553 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: line with the other kind of right wing echo chamber 554 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: panic stuff that is everywhere, and so far, while this 555 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: is deeply concerning, I'm not seeing evidence that it's breaking 556 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: out of the right and like, that doesn't mean it's 557 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: not a problem, but it is kind of worth noting. 558 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: The actual trending tags right now on Twitter are not 559 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: what you'd expect. The Tennessee shooting is not trending on 560 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: its own in a particularly high position. It's substantially lower 561 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: than the Uvaldi and Highland Park shootings, both of which 562 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: you're trending right now. This is based on a Twitter 563 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: account I use that is not my Twitter account. It's 564 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: just a blank account, so I'm hoping to get a 565 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: little bit less of a biased thing. When I looked 566 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: at my own accounts trending, it was Uvaldi and Highland 567 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: Park as well as Columbine was trending. Sam Hyde is trending, 568 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, because always does after a shooting. As a 569 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: result of this stuff, guns is trending. I think AR 570 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: fifteen was trending on one of my accounts, but the 571 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm not yet seeing evidence that this is anywhere like that. 572 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: The antitran stuff has made it outside of the right 573 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: wing fever swamps. Yea, you are getting like again. That 574 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: does not mean it's not troubling. It is deeply troubling, 575 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 1: but it's also not when I'm looking at sort of 576 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: liberal and centrist responses to this, it's noteworthy that what 577 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: is trending is Uvaldi and Highland Park and Columbine, because 578 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: what's common is people sort of putting this within the 579 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: continuum of America's nightmarish problem with mass shootings, particularly at schools, 580 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: which is the right way to see this. This is 581 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: part of an ongoing series of island acts and a 582 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: mass shooter culture that exists within this country. And obviously 583 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: it's tied to the availability of guns. It's tied to 584 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: a number of things. But it is kind of worth 585 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: noting that when it comes to what most people are 586 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: seeing as a result of this, it is another mass 587 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: shooting in America, and not trans people are carrying out 588 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks. That is so far at least just like 589 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: a thing I'm seeing in the right wing fever swamps. Yeah, 590 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: I think. I think Marjorie Taylor Green is one of 591 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: the first, like sitting politicians to make a statement focused 592 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: on the shooter's gender identity, saying how much hormones like 593 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: testosterone and medications for mental illness was the transgender Nashville 594 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: shooter taking. Everyone can stop blaming guns now, and like 595 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: this style of messaging is just blaming the shooting on 596 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: like HRT and health medication. But there's no indication at 597 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: this point that the shooter was taking testosterone or was 598 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: on any medication. But this is just a clear attempt 599 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: to like tie this shooting into the campaign against trans 600 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: healthcare that that Green has been doing for years now, 601 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: and to make trans healthcare seem like the reason that 602 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: this shooting took place. Yeah, this person has kind of 603 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: already become like like Schrodinger's like gender affirming care right 604 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: where like and you know, suggesting they're doing attacks because 605 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: they can't access gender affirming care. Marjor Teler Green's is 606 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: acting that the gender affirming care they did access made 607 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: them become more violent, Like the same thing with Jack Sobiak, 608 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: who was saying that testosterone increases aggression. Yeah, Jack Possobiak 609 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: is an influential Republican advisor and commentator. He's he's a fascist, 610 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: like he's a terrible person. He's the guy who initially 611 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: spread the Pizza Gate conspiracy theory. But he is influential 612 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: on the right because of his ability to get stuff 613 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: to go viral on the base. And I guess one 614 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: thing we should mention that that kind of ties into 615 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: is that Sobiak has been repeating some talking points that 616 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson focused on. A few nights ago during his show, 617 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: there was an NPR segment about trans people who are 618 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: purchasing firearms to defend themselves that interviewed somebody on a 619 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: number of folks. One of the people they interviewed is 620 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: a person who goes by queer Armor on Twitter about 621 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: why they've chosen to be armed and like advocate other 622 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: trans people arm themselves for self defense. Tucker took quotes 623 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: from that person and made a very fearmongering piece about 624 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: how NPR and the liberals want to create an army 625 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: of trans stormtroopers and disarm regular Americans. Right, that's the piece, yeah, 626 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: talking of, like, I guess armed Americans. One thing that's 627 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: also twending is just an incredibly crass photo that the 628 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: representative for that Tennis fifty district twitter to district the 629 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: school was in Who's called Andy Ogles Ogles maybe posted 630 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: for his Christmas photo. I guess which is him. It's 631 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: a classic Republican politician photo, right, entire family, everyone holding 632 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: a different variant of an AAR fifteen. And it's yeah, late, Look, 633 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: I think, regardless of what you think about guns, is 634 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: kind of crass to be parading them as like culture 635 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: war tokens like this. And I've noticed that's been trending 636 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: across a lot of at least of timeline I'm seeing. Yeah, 637 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: this is this is at the nexus of a number 638 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: of things that are like fucked up about this country. 639 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm just enjoying Ian Miles Chong's timeline unfortunately. And who 640 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: is he emails shop? Right, we engagement provocateur. Yeah, he 641 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: lives in Thailand, right, Malaysia, I believe Malaysia. Malaysia. He 642 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: has like he has like half a million Twitter followers, 643 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: influential on the online sphere. His telegram is culture war room, 644 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: which is, you know, giving you what you need to get. 645 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: I think so I'm just going to read this tweet 646 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: and obviously, like all the all the sort of content 647 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: warnings you'd expect, today, a mass show to murder three 648 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: children and three ou outs at a Christian school in Nashville, Tennessee. 649 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: The murderer pronouns was were was transgender, and had written 650 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: a manifesto detailing their intention, which come days after Tennessee 651 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: past child protection laws intended to curb children from being 652 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures. Their heinous 653 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: actions follow a month of media driven rhetoric about a 654 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: transgenocide and calls for a so called trans Day of 655 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: retribution in the United States. It is conceivable that much 656 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: of the conservative public derided assists. It's now open season 657 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: for gender extremists who have been terrorizing women who dared 658 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: to speak out against a woke ideology. When they tell 659 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: you what they intend to do, believe them. So Hale 660 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: has posted nothing about a trans Day of retribution, has 661 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: posted nothing publicly about being trans. Really, there's not a 662 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: single post discussing their gender identity online. This is just 663 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: they're just trying to weird political points by purposely like 664 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: making it sound like this person was writing about this 665 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 1: stuff online, and there's no evidence that they had writing 666 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: about the stuff, nor is there any of it online 667 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: that we can find. And yeah, I don't know. I mean, 668 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: it's it's basic stuff that people like him do in 669 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 1: the aftermath of like any type of event like this. Yeah, 670 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna end now, because anything pretty much 671 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: anymore we said would be getting into speculation or just 672 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 1: belaboring the point about these fucking right wing ghouls. But 673 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: I do want to end on a post from a follower, 674 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: a Twitter personality who I consider to be pretty pretty savvy. 675 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 1: They go by Juniper on Twitter. They noted this fifteen 676 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: years ago. Anytime there was a shooting, they would blom 677 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: it on Muslims, and if it were a Muslim, they 678 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: would go hogwhile trying to indict all Muslims. They're doing 679 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: that right now with the Nashville school shooting, and we'll 680 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: try to indict all trans people. Just don't engage. See 681 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: a Matt Walsh take that is incredibly aggravating. Ignore it. 682 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: See a politician tweet miss gendering the shooter while simultaneously 683 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: trying to blame all trans people. Ignore it. Anyone with 684 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: a brain and a shred of empathy, we'll see right 685 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: wingers as the psychopaths they are. A lot of trans 686 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: people are rightfully scared in the world right now. People 687 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: hate us without even knowing us, and how amazing we are. 688 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: Just know that you are loved and we will win. 689 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: The world cannot hate us forever. Hey, everybody, Garrison and 690 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: I are going to put together a post, a substack 691 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: post sort of synthesizing their research and what I've got 692 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: so far in the right wing response, and we will 693 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: be posting that up. It'll be at the at shatter 694 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: zone dot substack dot com if you want it in 695 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: an easier text version that you can kind of share 696 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: with people. 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